Full Show Podcast: 18 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views. Heather Dupless
Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News, Tom's Dead b.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Morning and Welcome to the show. Twelve percent of us,
twelve percent of us are now on some sort of
a benefit. Do we fix this or do we just
ride the Saudi economically. We're going to speak to the
former Wins boss, Christine Rankin and then the Minister Louise Upston.
The old veggies are up in price again. Vegetable New
Zealand will explain. We've got the rugby this weekend with
Elliott Smith, We've got the Rex and football game with
the Phoenix and Tritan. Tim will do the week for us.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Heather Dupless the Eloh.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I know that there are some who bristol at athletes
taking money from the Saudis, but I actually hope that
Roger Twiev us a check signs with that Saudi Rugby
Rebel Rugby Competition or whatever it's called. And once he
does sign, I hope the thing is successful because if
it is, I think this could be the best thing
that happens to rugby in a very very long time. Now,
this is not me bashing rugby again. This is me,

(00:58):
as a fan who has loved what waching rugby for
thirty five years or so, wanting the best for the
game so that I can keep on enjoying it. If
this competition works, it will be good for the players,
because at the moment there are apparently and this I
was surprised by this, only about five rugby players in
the world who earn one million US dollars. That's one
point six million New Zealand dollars. This league wants to

(01:19):
hire forty of them on that kind of money. Rugby
players should be making that kind of money, at least
the big stars should. And we don't even blink when
a cricket player earns that kind of coin. And while
rugby is absolutely not as big globally, it is still
a significant sport in significant parts of the world. It
will be good for the fans as well. Imagine if
one of these events came to a city near you

(01:39):
on a global tour, like the F one or Sale
GP or the Sevens. What an event that would be
to attend. It could be good for rugby as well.
I mean world rugby. I think we all agree needs
a boot up the butt. They take fans for granted.
The Sudis, I suspect, will not, because this is about
money for them, So they're going to give us the
product that earns them the best money, the product that
we enjoy the most. If the TMO is a problem,

(02:00):
they may fix it. If there's too much defensive play,
they may fix it. If there are too many rules,
too many scrums, whatever, they may fix it. All the
things that will rugby ignores. I suspect the Saudis will
fix it if they treat rugby like f one. Now,
admittedly it may not be that good for international rugby
in the long run, because you just look at what's
happened with cricket. The T twenty leagues are cutting the
lunch of international cricket. But I would rather have excellent,

(02:23):
privately run rugby than boring international tests, if that is
the choice that we have. Now. This is not to
say it's necessarily going to work. Okay, RTS does not
a competition make If the Saudis have learned anything from
Live they will need a lot more marquee players and
actual marquee players to draw eyeballs. But if this happens.
I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Israel's latest strike on Gaza was on a church, killing
two injuring one of poet Francis's closest friends. This man
lost his.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Father, bestman says his mother has a sharpnel wound to
her head.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
They were inside the church.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
People who were there were elderly and innocent civilians. He says,
we just want peace.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
The Vatican has responded.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
His Holiness renews his call for an immediate cease far
and he expresses his profound hope for dialogue, reconciliation and
enduring peace in the region. It definitely isn't suspicious that
Jeffrey Epstein prosecutor Maureen Comy was fired overnight without reason
by the Trump administration. Former New York DA Memi Roach
has spoken out.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
It is cowardly, it is political, it is based on
conspiracy theories, and frankly, the US Attorney in the Southern
District of New York needs to stand up for his people.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Kirstamer is defending suspending those rebel MPs. The reason for
it being persistent nobbery. According to one of his staffers, we.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Had to deal with people who repeatedly break the whip
because everyone was elected as a labor MP on the
manifesto of change and everybody needs to deliver as a
labor government.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And by the way, Diane Abbott has also been suspended.
I'll get you across those details shortly. The British Medical
Association want the talks to go smoothly so doctors don't
have to strike for five days.

Speaker 7 (04:09):
I was openness on both sides to discuss options that
can increase the value of being a doctor in this country,
which is very important as many of our colleagues are
leaving for other countries at the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Ukme man Errol Campbell, who was put in prison by
a corrupt and disgraced British cop, has had his conviction
quashed posthumously.

Speaker 8 (04:27):
My dad always said he was innocent, and today that's
finally been confirmed, almost fifty years later. I'm angry that
Richell is not alive to this day and that he
never went to prison for all the people he fitted up.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Finally, we started the show on Monday telling you about
an upcoming auction for the largest known piece of mars
here on Earth. That auction has happened. Are you ready
for it. It's being sold to an anonymous bidder by
Southey's for just under nine million New Zealand dollars bang
smack bang in the middle of the s but still
a lot of money. Dub NWA one six seven eight eight.

(05:04):
It weighs two twenty four point five kg, so twenty
four and a half kg's it's the most valuable Martian
rock that has ever gone under the hammer, and that
is news of the world in ninety Now there is
drama in the UK, like significant drama with those Afghan
resettlements in the Data League, and this is getting more
and more ugly. It now turns out that the person
who leaked some of the names in Facebook, the person

(05:25):
who basically brought this to the public's attention a couple
of years ago, was himself resettled in the UK. He's
from Afghanistan as well. He was resettled in the UK
basically because he blackmailed the government over there. He had
previously applied for resettlements in the UK. The UK government
had rejected him, so that then he hits Facebook with
all this information, posts the names, then warns them he

(05:45):
could release all the names all twenty five thousand and
as a result, they bring him over to the UK,
they resettled him, they don't charge him, and the moral
of the story is that he got rewarded for basically
committing a crime which has threatened lives, if not already
cost lives, and has cost the UK taxpayer seven billion pounds.
Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
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Speaker 2 (06:14):
So, this is the detail on the Diane Abbott situation.
She's been suspended from Labor, the governing party over in
the UK, after some racist comments. What has been what
has been deemed to be racist comments. She basically said
out loud that Jewish people experience racism differently to black people.
Hasn't gone down well. Labor suspended her, they're investigating. They're
not going to comment any further. Sixteen past six Greig Smith,

(06:39):
devon Funds Management with US.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Morning Greg Morning, Heather.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Hey what about those food prices?

Speaker 9 (06:44):
Yeah, there's not much of spite there is there in
terms of food inflation. So up one point two percent
in June. That was after a half percent rise in May.
Fruit veggie zy drove the increase up five percent. More
expensive broccoli, of course, it's up thirty eight percent, Tomatoes
up an incredible fifth five percent. Grocery foods they were
driven by high prices of box chocolates.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
They are up zero.

Speaker 9 (07:05):
Point eight percent. That category. Food price is annually four
points six percent higher, and that was after a four
point four percent increase in May, so you're not much
respired there. Freaking vegie prices up to seven point six percent.
Meat that's up six point four percent, Grocery food at
four point seven percent. So all the pantry staples they
are going up in price. You think milk, butter, and cheese,

(07:27):
So milk two liters there up fourteen percent annually, cheese
thirty percent high for one clear and rock block. And
how about butter, heare eight dollars sixty per five hundred grams.
That's up forty six point five percent annually. So look
at butter prices compared to ten years ago, to five
dollars higher, so up one hundred.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
And twenty percent.

Speaker 9 (07:46):
Beef steak twenty two percent, beef mints fifteen point six percent.
So just no good news here in terms of inflation
that consumes this sort of having to deal with, and
it's not just food that's increasing in price eiher. So
you look at rent, it's obviously a pretty cick one
for consumers as well. So that was up two point
six percent annually. I suppose a bit of positive news
there is that it was down from a two point

(08:08):
eight percent annualized to May, so at least that's slowing
down a bit. And that increase was the last for
revent prices since October twenty twenty eleven. But yeah, those
cost of living pressures are very much alive.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And well, okay, tell me what you make of the
jobs print in Australia.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
Year to look at quite a shock actually, so I
was the employment increased by just two thousand jobs in June,
and that's a tenth of what was expected, so they
were looking for twenty thousand, so clearly slowing down. The
unemployment rate as well, picked that from four point one
percent to four point three percent. The other interesting thing
as well, it's actually worse if you actually look at
what's happening with full time versus part time. So part

(08:44):
time employment grew by forty thousand, full time employment foul
by thirty eight thousand. That also drove down that number
of hours worked as well. So thirty four thousand strains
became unemployed at the end of financial year. We think
of Australia's the lucky country. But yeah, clear this is
a bit of a disappointment. The jobs across the teas
and is slowing down. And basically what this means either
its strength and expectations that the RBA could come for

(09:06):
of a rate cut at its meeting next month. And
they're surprised by keeping the cash raight on hold earlier
this month that's three point eight five percent, and they
were looking to wait for the inflation data which is
out July thirtieth. But yea, markets are basically pricing in
a strong chance of a rate cut next month. The
Aussie dollar fowl as to body yields. And I think
the interesting as well is the RBA meeting is going

(09:27):
to come a week for our own RB and ZED meeting,
So I think that could add some extra spice to
hours if your Aussies follow through it for right cut.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah Greedlesten, tell me what are you making of the
US retail sales?

Speaker 9 (09:37):
You so we talked about inflation's handling. It's a terugh situation,
better than expected. It seems to consumers are two in
the US. So retail sales rose more than expected, up
point six percent in June from May. That was triple
what was forecast in your basis. They rose three and
a half percent. Lots of demand for watermobiles is expected
with Americans, but even if you stripped that out, sales
are still up half percent on the previous month. And

(09:58):
they ended two months of straight declines. And the consumers
literally and good spirits and the US either spend the
at bars and restaurants. That advancedero point six percent. But
basically it all lays concerns over consumer spending obviously given
tariffs and economic uncerned. So that's yeah, that's good news
for the world's largest economy. Part of it could be
due to high prices, of course when you look at
retail sales, they're not adjusted for that. But we've already

(10:21):
seen that inflation has proven quite modest. Maybe consumers also
been talking about the jobs mark and also happy about
the way that's going. So unemployment benefits new applications AFIL
for a fifth week. They are the lowes since mid April.
And also just on in terms of a company view
on how the consumer's going Pepsi had a really interesting result.
So the shares in that soft drinks giant saged seven percent,

(10:43):
earnings one point twenty six billion, that was ahead of estimates,
and revenues rows one percent to twenty two point seven billion.
They also reiterated their full ye outlook. Now, Pepsi hasn't
been doing as well as coke. They've been sort of
going struggling, particularly on the food side. Their volumes were
down two percent. But yeah, their name sake PEPC zero sugar,
that's going pretty well amidst the drive for healthier habits

(11:04):
that had double digit volume growth. They're trying to do
a bit of a turnaround plan. They're cutting it, cutting
costs to try and boost earnings. But it was just
a real positive release, and considering it was just a
quarter ago. They cut their forecasts signing tariffs and economic volatility.
So your four year revenue go they're looking for four
to six percent. So things are playing out better than
feed fabulous.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Okay, give us the numbers.

Speaker 9 (11:27):
Doubt having a strong session up turn of points four four, four,
five seven, it can't be five hundred and half percent.
NAI's deck at point eight percent foot one hundred UK
up half percent, the Nickee up point six percent A
six two hundred on those job numbers, and the prospect
of a great cat next month up point nine percent.
There inded ex fifty we had a good session as well,
up one point two percent twelve nine zero five a too.

(11:49):
Milk that rallied almost five percent. Commodities golds down ten
dollars three thousand three and thirty six US, and ounce
was up ninety two cents sixty seven spot thirty a
barrel for WTI. In the currencies are the kiwi was
down point four percent against the US fifty nine point
two against Australian dollar ninety one point four, up point
three percent down against the pound point three percent forty

(12:10):
four point two, and the Japanese year the Kiwi is
up point two percent eighty eight point one.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Good stuff. Enjoy your morning, Greg, Greg Smith, Devin Funds Management.
By the way, Donald Trump has got chronic venus insufficiency,
hence the swollen ankles. Richard Arnold to talk us through that.
Shortly six twenty two, the.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
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Speaker 2 (12:35):
No surprise as all. Apparently it's going to be the
farming exports that get our economy going when we finally
start to get going, has been pushed quite far back.
Now we're looking at probably late next year before we
really get humming. We're going to talk to export in
New Zealand about that. Just after half past right now,
it's twenty five past six.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
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Speaker 2 (12:56):
Did we need another Tron movie? Did we need a
new one?

Speaker 7 (12:58):
Well?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Apparently, Hollywood, yes. So the trailer for Tron Ares has
been released overnight. It's the third film in the Tron franchise,
and instead of everything taking place in a computer, a
lot of talk of AI and virtual worlds has brought
the Tron universe to actual Earth.

Speaker 10 (13:15):
So much talk of AI and VG tech today, virtual
world what it gonna look like?

Speaker 11 (13:22):
But more we get there.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, folks, we're not going there. They are coming here.

Speaker 12 (13:35):
I would like you to meet Aris, the Ultimate Soldier.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You think you're in control of.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
This, You're not.

Speaker 13 (13:50):
I'm looking for something, something I do not understand. It's
just fascinating.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Jared Liito is the super Soldier. Jeff Bridges is in
there as well, he's back as Kevin Flynn. That's the
character he actually played in the very first Tron movie,
all the way back in nineteen eighty two. And also
Gillian Anderson and Evan Peters will be with it being
it and you haven't got long to wait. It is
in October. It's in a theatre's October ten, Heather, New Zealand.
As much of the West is in stagflationary environment, it's

(14:23):
a very tricky position to get out of. Steve. That
is absolutely well. Someone feel a little bit like that,
isn't it, Heather? Listening to Greek Smith, you can't help
think that Trump knows what he's doing in the Tariff's
aunt as bad as the so called experts claim. I
wouldn't go as far. I take your point, Clive. I
wouldn't go as far as saying he knows what he's doing.
I haven't got that kind of level of confidence in him.
But I would certainly agree it's not nearly as bad

(14:44):
as everybody said it would be. But then again, at
the older you get, the more you realize that the
people who are the most hyped about anything are generally
the people who are wrong. News is next.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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Speaker 2 (15:12):
Tomstad b hither I'm no oconnors, but surely you wouldn't
expect the impact of the tariffs to come through yet
for the following reasons. Number one, business has brought a
lot of stock and advanced. Number two, consumers brought in advanced.
Number three, Trump paused tariffs while deals were being done.
Some of the tariffs have already hit, which is why
you're seeing a little bit of an impact. But totally right.
It's remember it's first of August is the deadline and

(15:34):
always was the deadline. Apparently I've got some news on
Canada for you, and just to ticke us twenty two
away from seven no surprise predictions that it's going to
be our farming exports that get the economy firing again properly.
This is according to Inframetric's latest economic forecasts, which say
it's only going to be the second half of next

(15:56):
year when we really start to feel the pick up.
Josh Tanner is the executive of Export New Zealand and
with us.

Speaker 11 (16:01):
Good morning Josh, Good morning Heather.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Are you surprised that so far the doom and gloom
forecasts about the tariffs haven't yet materialized?

Speaker 11 (16:10):
No, Look, I think we aren't too surprised about it.
You know, we have been hit by a ten percent tariff,
and I think, as you said before, you know, there
are consumers out there who are looking for new Zealand products.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Do you think, though, given that we had the delay
through the first August, the worst is yet to come.

Speaker 11 (16:28):
Look, I think it's it's hard to say. As you
said before as well, there has been a pause to
those reciprocal tariffs. I think that there is more to come,
you know, depending on what Trump has to say from
the podium. So it's a bit of a wait and
see again.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, is the US still loving our red meat?

Speaker 11 (16:47):
I think so. Look, it's only it's not just red
meat that's really driving things here, you know, it's the
rest of the food and fiber sector as well. You know,
I've got some stats from March twenty twenty five quarter
where dairy was up one point six percent. For it
was up three hundred and thirty two million dollars as well,
but then if you look across the board on on
New Zealand exports, you know, I think we saw growth

(17:08):
for most categories. There are two services exports in quarter
one this year also grew by about eight percent, by
about six hundred and seventy five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Right, is this just into the US?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Sorry, No, this is this is globally, this.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Is everything, all right?

Speaker 11 (17:23):
What about clarified?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
What's going No, that's absolutely fine. What's going on with
China by the way, because we've talked a lot about
the fact that their economy is a bit on the
slow down. But are they still buying our stuff?

Speaker 11 (17:32):
I think that are still buying our stuff? Yeah, I
think they are still the number one export market for US.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
There.

Speaker 11 (17:39):
Again, you know, it is sort of quite an uncertain
period just because of the uncertainty that remains around tariff.
But look, things are still strong for us globally.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Do we need to talk about the price of better
one if you want to, I don't want to. Do
you get from stracted by it?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
No?

Speaker 11 (17:58):
No, Look, it is a challenge and I have sort
of spoken about it before. You know, it is a
challenge there for our domestic consumers, but ultimately New Zealand
is part of an international marketplace. We have to sell
ninety percent of our product services and when demand and
prices are strong for New Zealand produce overseas. You know,
this is what this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean, it is good for the country, that's the thing. Now,
what do you make of this back down by Canada?

Speaker 11 (18:23):
Yees? So, look, we're really happy with the result. We're
pleased to see that. You know, a year's long dispute
between New Zealand and Canada has been resolved. I think
particularly also in the global trade context, just as we've
been talking about it's really essential that the free trade
agreements that we've signed up to that their function has
agreed to.

Speaker 14 (18:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
What made them finally back down us for all these years?

Speaker 11 (18:47):
I'm not sure. I think again, it might just be
the international context. They need to be working with their
free trade partners just like we do.

Speaker 15 (18:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Perhaps so, Josh, it's good to talk to you. Thank you,
Josh Han who is the executive director at Expert in
New Zealand. So what if you've been following it, you'll
know that this thing with Canada's been playing out for
a while, right because we all signed up to the
CPTPP and then we wanted to send the dairy to Canada.
They started getting funny about it. They started blocking the
dairy inputs, triggered the compulsory negotiations through the CPTPP. The

(19:16):
panel found in our favor Canada ignoral. Canada is not
the nice guys everybody thinks they are are. They just
completely ignored it. And then we threatened some more action
last year, and then just overnight we've just heard that
they've back down. Finally, this is going to deliver us
up to maybe about one hundred and sixty million dollars
per year in extra export value. And you'd say thank
you to that. Richard Arnold. Next nineteen away from seven, the.

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Speaker 3 (20:44):
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Speaker 2 (20:46):
We are going to have to talk about the price
of butter, unfortunately because it went up nearly fifty percent,
but also the price of veggies went up, tomatoes, caps,
cant broccoli, some of that is out of season. I
can understand, but the Brox I thought would have been
in season vegetables. New Zealand can explain after seven, it's quarter.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
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Speaker 2 (21:07):
Out of the US is our correspondent, Richard Arnold. Morning, Richard,
good morning here all right, tell us about Trump's leagues.

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Yeah, well, the Trump team never has been greatly informative
about the president's health. Trump is the oldest person ever
to take up the post. When he was sworn in,
he was what five months older than Biden when he
took on the job. One time Trump physician Ronnie Jackson,
a staunch Trump supporter, once quipped that Trump could live
to be two hundred if he had a healthier diet
instead of his favorite cheeseburgers and diet coke, of course,

(21:34):
a dream for which he reinstalled an order button in
the Oval office of the second term. Lately, the people
have been noticing, though that Trump's swollen ankles in an
apparent bruise on his hand look to be troubling, and
a White House briefing a short time ago, the President's
press person Carrolon Levitt says Trump went through recent vascular testing.
His part of what she has said about this seemed

(22:00):
to be having some difficulties, but she indicated that he'd
been through this testing procedure and that as a result,
they had cleared him of having any serious vascular difficulties.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
He went through.

Speaker 16 (22:14):
Some processes for chronic ve insufficiency, as it called, which
is a benign and fairly common condition, particularly in individuals
over the age of seventy eleve had said. She also
indicated that there was no evidence of deep vein from
bosis or arterial disease, and that an echo cardiogram had
showed normal cardiac structures and functions, so she said all

(22:35):
of that was in normal age limits. Other doctors now
are indicating that this is not surprising for someone of
Trump's age seventy nine. Now, there is still a lot
on the president's agenda, of course. A new poll out
today says that sixty nine percent of Americans believe that
details of the Trump Epstein association are yet to be revealed.
At the same time, a job approval for Democrats has

(22:56):
hit an all time low, with numbers out today showing
that fewer than two hour ten voters happy with the Democrats'
efforts on Capitol Hill. So that's a pretty miserable result.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Now, what has gone on with this lightning strike where
somebody's actually died as a result of it.

Speaker 16 (23:10):
That's right out of the blue. One person is dead
and thirteen others are injured after this lightning strike, which
occurred at a New Jersey archery raign. The person killed
was a sixty one year old man who was hosting
a Boy Scout Cub Scout group, and a witness said
it just came at a time when there was no rain.
There was simply this light lightning strike that appeared just

(23:32):
as a pull from the ether. Apparently among those injured
as a seven year old, and at least four of
the victims are children who've been taken off to hospital
with serious burns. Three adult instructors also have been hospitalized.
First responders did CPR on one fellow, while another was
found to be unconscious but happily regained consciousness soon after.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Ever, good stuff, Richard, Thank you very much, Richard Arnold,
US correspondent. So, chronic venous insufficiency, which is what Trump
has got, a condition where the blood doesn't flow back
to the hearts official efficiently from the legs, and it
just sits there, pooling in the veins, which is you'll
see a lot of a lot of pictures of this.
Now he's got quite quite swollen little ankles going on there.
And basically what it comes from is you know, age obesity,

(24:17):
family history of ericus veins, multiple pregnancies. Obviously not a
thing for Donald Trump. It can be exacerbated by prolonged
standing or sitting, and there'll be a fair amount of
that that he is doing as the president. They can
there are ways to get around it. They can you know,
inject it with various things to close off the vericus veins.
They can use heat or laid laser to close off

(24:37):
the veins. There are some you know, in severe cases,
they can do some surgery and stuff like that. It
does to get work. It does tend to get worse
over time if it's not treated. But if it's if
it's diagnosed early and managed properly, then it can be
slowed and the symptoms can be managed. Can I just
say on this though, that the Internet has been asking
for months what the hell is wrong with Donald Trump's legs?
Because you know, he's he's been on the golf course

(24:59):
being dra his left leg on occasion, been dragging the
right leg. But the internet spot of the stages ago.
The Internet also was asking for years what the hell
was wrong with Joe Biden's brain, And in both cases
it was apparently nothing to see here until there was
something to see here, and the Internet was right. So
maybe not in all cases, but maybe sometimes we shouldn't
write off the Internet quite as quickly as we do
ten to seven here they do.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
For Cyllen on the mic hosting Breakfast with Bailey's Real
Estate News Dogs, there'd.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Be Oh dear, the British government is going to give
sixteen and seventeen year olds the right to vote in
all UK elections. I say, oh dear, because once this
kind of idea hits a place like the UK, which
is rather large and where we export a lot of
our ideas from and where we visit a lot, you know,
once they latch onto something like this, it's only a
matter of time, isn't it, before we're lumped with the
same thing. And the reason they're doing it is because

(25:45):
they already have elections in Scotland and Wales and sixteen
and seventeen year olds already vote there, so it you know,
roll it out to England and then the whole thing
is all doing the same thing, so it would align
better across Britain, they say. Prime Minister says, they're old
enough to go out to work, they're old enough to
pay taxes and I think if you pay in you
should have the opportunity to say what you want your
money spent on in which way the government should go.

(26:07):
This is not altogether a surprise because it was in
their election manifesto, and it should likely pass because it
was in their election manifesto. But you know, brace yourself
for the debate to be sparked up here again. Six
away from seven.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
All the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's the fiz with business paper, take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
So those working in the hospitality sector don't seem to
be doing too badly. The Restaurant Association has put out
their twenty twenty five remuneration survey, which shows continual wage
growth in the sector. The average hourly wage across the
industry is now twenty seven dollars eighty four. That's up
two and a half percent on last year. The average
salary is now eighty three thousand dollars and some change.

(26:49):
Some highlights. A head chef can earn up to forty
six dollars sixty two an hour, and front of house
roles can get up to forty five dollars an hour.
General managers are averaging up one hundred and thirty three
thousand dollars per year. And here's a really interesting part
about all of this. Despite having what I would say
is a non existent tip culture in this country, we're

(27:10):
actually quite generous when we go out to eat. Per week,
restaurant managers are earning one hundred and four dollars from
tips alone, and weight staff are averaging one hundred and
eighteen dollars per week and tips alone not bad ad
given how I mean, how often do you get that
little machine and it goes with you like to do
a tip and got red button, red button, and still

(27:30):
there are enough people out there doing the green button
to get them.

Speaker 12 (27:33):
To how do they you know, when they do that
on that machine, how do they then distribute that tip?
Because I mean, you know, usually if you do a tip,
you're giving it, You're wanting it to go to the
staff you serve oh.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, ye, well it goes to everybody. This is where
you've got to if you want to if you want
it to go to your weight stuff, you have to
do that dodgy little thing where you roll it into
a twenty and slip it in their pocket. What roll
it and roll the twenty up, you know, into a
little bundle, slip it in the pocket. Twenty dollar? It's
twenty what what's the problem with the twenty? Is that too?

Speaker 12 (28:03):
I know, I just don't understand.

Speaker 9 (28:04):
What.

Speaker 12 (28:05):
What are you talking about.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
In their pocket?

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Rolling up?

Speaker 14 (28:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (28:08):
It does? It sounds like some.

Speaker 12 (28:09):
Sort of a dragent physical money.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
There is that. We're going to talk about welfare shortly
because this number. You know, when I look at the
welfare numbers and I just I just I find that
I need a lie down afterwards often because the number
of kiwis on welfare has gone up by about seven percent.
And look at that. That is not that remarkable. I mean,
we are in one of the worst recessions that we've

(28:32):
been in like living memory. But regardless, what we what
we now have is about four hundred more than four
hundred thousand people sitting on a benefit. That's twelve percent
of us. That's one and eight eight of us right
to get eight people into a room. One of us
is on the doll You add that to the number
of people on the pench and you've got a real problem. Anyway,

(28:52):
what are we going to do about this? Are we
going to change it? Christine Rankin is with us very
shortly and we are going to speak to the minister
about it after half past seven and as well get
her take on it. Coca cola Coca cola has become
a thing in the United States. Donald Trump reckons he's
convinced Coke to use real cane sugar in its drinks
instead of the corn syrup that they use. They use
cane sugar in most places around the world, but they

(29:14):
use corn syrup in the US, and they have done
this since the nineteen eighties because it's cheap. But what's
gone on is in Mexico, which isn't that far away. Obviously,
they use the cane sugar and it tastes better. So
they import what they call mexicoke into the border States
and people will pay sometimes twice three times as much
for the mexicoke so they can avoid the stinky old

(29:35):
US coke and Trump loves the mexicoke and he wants
Coca Cola in the US to do the same thing.
He reckons they have agreed, they are noncommittal on it,
but anyway, watch that Space Coke Diplomacy news is next.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
That'd be good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
The number of kiwis on welfare is up. It's climbed
by six and a half percent in the last year,
which means over four hundred thousand people and now on
a benefit in this country, as about twelve percent of
the working age population. Christine Rankin is the former boss
of Winds and with Us mourning Christine.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Good morning Heather, now Christine.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
This is obviously expected during an economic downturn, but still
a staggering number, isn't it.

Speaker 17 (30:32):
Look it is a huge number, but it's not the
first time It's happened. Many times in history that numbers
have been around this, and it is inevitable that it's
going to reflect what's going on in the economy. But
what you've got to give this government credit for, and
this minister in particular, for putting in the reforms that

(30:53):
are in that system. No government for decades has done
anything as courageous as this, And to get eighty one
thousand people back into work is a big deal. It's
a big deal for the people who were left to
rot on there with the last government, and it's a
big deal for the taxpayer. So while there are huge numbers,
they are I'm not sure if they're being cycled through,

(31:15):
but I suspect they're going into jobs and they're not
lasting very long for some of them, and they're going
back on benefit again. But I'm afraid that's part of
a process that is desperately needed and has been for years.
So the numbers are inevitable. I don't see how that,
with an economy as we have it at the moment,
it can be any other way.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, just on the doll which is the job seeker support,
that's up ten percent in the year. That must represent
quite a lot of new people going on the DOLL Yet.

Speaker 17 (31:43):
I would have thought so. And look, it will affect
young people more than anyone else. They're the hardest ones
to place, but the system they now have to go
through shows no actually what if it needs to be
put into work and it's a damn god experience for
their lives.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Look, I want to ask you what I'm fascinated by
what's going on in the UK with welfare at the moment,
in the welfare shakeup, and particularly the fact that it's
coming from a labor government. Is this just populism that
pops up from time to time or is this actually
developed world countries realizing that that welfare at the rates
that we pay it is unsustainable.

Speaker 17 (32:16):
I believe it's the second part of that. This has
been ridiculous for a long time and people think it's
an entitlement.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
It is not.

Speaker 17 (32:26):
It's a right and welfare in New Zealand is one
of the most generous in the world and we do
need to take a big look at it. Yes we've
got social problems, but it started out being there for
people in desperate need. Now it's there for everyone and anyone.
And until this minister came along, there were no expectations

(32:47):
for you to do anything at all but sit there
for as long as you like and do whatever you like.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Good to talk to you Christine always as Christine Rank
and former WINS boss the Minister Louis Upstom will be
with us after seven thirty on. That's ten pars seven.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
The dupis Allen.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Food prices have shot up again. Data show that they
have climbed four point six percent in the year's June,
our largest increase since late twenty twenty three. And yees, butter,
you did not imagine that it went up nearly fifty percent. Now,
John Murphy is Vegetables New Zealand's chair and with us.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Morning John, Morning Heather.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Now, how much is fruit and vege's gone up? Is
it five percent?

Speaker 18 (33:21):
Vegetables itself is point eight of a percent, and so
it's five percent for fruit and vegetables. But I actually
think that the figures are a bit screwy, to be
honest with your Heather. They don't quite make sense because
if you go down to Walworth today, a broccol is
two dollars. So I think there's something there where the
economist community maybe need to have a look at that,

(33:42):
because it's actually pretty important that we get real clarity
on what's good value At the moment.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Is that good value for a broccoli?

Speaker 18 (33:51):
It's very good value. It's very good value, and I
think I think you mentioned it earlier that a lot
of this is seasonal as well, and people buy seasonally.
They really do do well. And we're adamant that buying
more freehealthy food, free healthy food and vegetables, it is
good for New Zealanders, it's good for their pocket and
it's good for the future of New Zealand. And to

(34:13):
be fair, there are some storms coming and on the
resource management front, so we really want to make sure
that we follow through what the government is intending at
the moment so that we don't see sustained high prices
in the future.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Okay, so what do you think is going on with
the economists and the price of broccoli.

Speaker 18 (34:34):
I just think that I mean, I note that there's
more figures being released on Monday, but I think if
you start with a low price and you add a
percentage to it, it's still a low price. And so
over the recent periods, vegetable grows really struggled. Actually, I
think we're looking at historically low prices and so an
increase still means that prices are low. But really we've

(34:58):
got to look at what is it important for us
to have access to as a country, and clearly fresh
healthy food should be one of them.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Now, what is going on with the weather down in
the top of the South Island and the vegetables that
will be impacted there, What should we be what should
we expect to see at the supermarket.

Speaker 18 (35:17):
Look, I think that over the next couple of months,
as you often do in winter, you will see prices
increase marginally, And it really depends what happens going forward. Now,
but that's the dramatic side of it, and I have
to say, there's some real damage in that area, and
I've heard some real horror stories for people growing peers

(35:38):
or indeed our vegetable grows and so on and so forth.
So there's a big clean up effort there. Look, when
Cycling Gabriel hit in the Gisbone area in particular, we
saw fresh cut green supply impacted by around fifteen percent,
prices increased by three hundred percent, and the market really

(36:00):
does respond quickly to shortages like that. That's not good
and that's why it's really important that in those key
areas we get permitted activity. So the likes of Hotafenawa
and Northern Way, Kiddo, that's the headline at the moment,
I regional councils continue to limit rotation in those areas

(36:21):
despite good environmental practice, we will see a massive increases
and prices going forward that needs to be sorted.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
John, it's good to talk to you. Look after yourself
as John Murphy, Vegetable's New Zealand chair, thirteen past seven.
Now I've got a little bit of good news for
you right because I feel like you might need it
after listening to the vegetable prices. When we do finally
get the economy humming, it's going to be good. Infometrics
has just doubled us talking about the Infometrics data earlier,
some of it is that it's just doubled its growth
forecasts for the economy. So it's going to be they say,

(36:51):
heading towards two point eight percent a year growth next year.
They reckon it's because the farm exports are pulling us through.
So if you're feeling aggrieved about the price of so
just remember this. The farm exports are pulling us through.
Lower interest rates are obviously starting to hit. And we've
got less worry now than we did maybe a little
while ago, a few weeks ago about what's going on
with the tariffs. We will absolutely be waiting longer than

(37:14):
expected because last year it was survived to twenty five,
wasn't it. When we're in twenty five, I ain't. Nothing's happening.
So we're waiting a little bit longer than we thought
we would, but when it does happen, it will be
better than we thought. Talk Rugby Next with Elliot Smith,
the Mike.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
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Speaker 3 (37:30):
Howard By News talks at.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Behither we're told to buy seasonal, but fijoa got up
to twelve ninety nine per kg this year, which is
daylight robbery. Do you know what fijo at? Anything above
zero dollars per kg feels to me like a ripoff,
and I do I'm not that person. I do very
occasionally buy a fijoa from the supermarket, but it doesn't
feel right, does it.

Speaker 12 (37:50):
I'm not allowed to I'm not allowed to buy them,
no matter how cheap they are.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Because you have a tree.

Speaker 12 (37:54):
Well we do have three trees, but they didn't really
do anything this year, so that was a bit pointing,
and I still wasn't allowed to buy them.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Ah, that's I put a little I put a little
ban on myself from buying them because I feel like
they should just be given to me because they are
just so prolific. But anyway, there you go. Twelve ninety
nine is twelve ninety nine to two expensive as far
as I'm concerned. Eighteen past seven, now, boy, have we
got changes in the All Black squad for the final
Test against France tomorrow night. Raza has swapped out ten
players and for the first time in forever, there is

(38:24):
no Barrett in the squad. Elliott Smith's Newstalk zb's lead
rugby commentator and with us Morning Elliott in Morning Heather, Well,
we can't accuse Razor of being timid with his selections anymore,
can we?

Speaker 19 (38:34):
No, we can't, and I think there's a lesson learned
from last year, especially against Italy and Sheurin wheen he
didn't change some of those players and ran out his
largely first choice team again. This time he's gone, Well,
the opportunity is there and they don't come along too
often in test rugby where you can have a look
at some different players, different combinations. Look, the All Blacks
still want to win obviously tomorrow night, but you've got

(38:57):
to take these opportunities to find out a little bit
more about the likes of Rubien Love about Damien McKenzie
at teena about seven penny female on the blind side flank,
among others, because you just won't get them too often
and it certainly won't come in the Rugby Championship. You know,
Argentina two tests away is going to be tough, South Africa,
obviously Australia. So if you want to find out a
bit more about these players and get them into the

(39:19):
All Blacks environments and playing some rugby tomorrow night, it's
the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
When was the last time we had no Barretts in
the squad?

Speaker 19 (39:26):
It was against Japan and last year in Yokohama, so
no Barrett's played in that game. But before then I
did have that note at the time, but it'd be
a long time since that point, so being fairly recent.
But look in the last ten to fifteen years, very
very rare that there's been no Barretts in the the
run on side.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
What's wrong with Bodie's hand? I mean, if it's puffy
it sounds serious.

Speaker 19 (39:47):
Yeah, Puffy's never good is it for a hands? And
Scott robertson says the going for scans and our courses Brothers.
Scott is also in the injury wilderness at the moment,
waiting for more information on that calf injury he had.
His injury during Super Rugby. Robinson wasn't able to clarify
whether it was the same hands, but that kept him

(40:08):
out for about five or six weeks, remembering in Super
Rugby a possibility it does so again and obviously with
the Rugby Championship bearing down on us, you wouldn't want
it to be too long. So look, we'll probably get
some scan results I would suspect in the next couple
of days and find out whether it's good news or
bad for Boden.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Wonderful stuff. Thank you, Elliott. Elliott Smith News Talks edb's
Rugby editor. Big weekend for the rugby You've got this
tomorrow night and then you've obviously got the Wrexham game
in Wellington. You've got twenty five thousand people heading to
the cake to Unfortunately, if you were hoping for Ryan
Reynolds turning up done and look like that's going to happen.
But we'll have a chat to the Phoenix about it
just before eight to see if they see it, They've
got it in them to take rex amount seven to twenty.

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Speaker 3 (41:45):
Apply Heather Dwopla cls even twenty.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Four Listen, I'll tell you what I don't like about
the money that we're spending on Sunny Culcial and the
Retail Crime Advisory Group. It's not a good deal. That's
what I don't like. I don't have a problem with
Sunny Cucial. In fact, I like most of the ideas
that he pitches quite a lot, actually, But he was
pitching these ideas to the government for free. If someone
offers you something for free and you then decide to

(42:10):
pay for it, that's a bad deal, isn't it. And
and we are paying very very good coin for these
ideas that were free five minutes ago. Sonny Carcial can
claim apparently for his work nine hundred and twenty dollars
a day now between March first and June tenth, which
is one hundred and two days. One news reckons he
earned himself more than ninety five thousand dollars. Now, my

(42:31):
sons tell me that ninety five thousand dollars divided by
nine hundred and twenty means that he has been working
and claiming that money seven days a week, every single week,
for one hundred and two days straight. And then there
are some other money there that I cannot explain. That's
on top of that, now, nearly one hundred thousand dollars
for three three months work is not bad, is it?

(42:52):
And then never mind that, but look at the personnel
cost of three hundred and thirty thousand dollars, which Sonny
told us yesterday was for lawyers and policy work work.
I would say that mostly can be done in house
by government departments and ministerial officers, because they do this
kind of thing all the time, and in fact, they
have probably already done work on some of these ideas
that have been pitched. Given that the ideas have been
pitched in the past beforehand, it's not all that novel

(43:13):
right now. Frankly, at the cost of three hundred and
thirty thousand dollars for three months work of policy and
legal work, I think that we can see that someone
is taking the mickey here, aren't they.

Speaker 14 (43:25):
Now?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
This fundamental question behind all of this, obviously, is if
you're offered something for free, why would you pay for it?
And the simple answer is because that is how the
government gravy train works. Good for Sunny carcial. If I
was offered that much money by the government for doing
what I was already doing, I would take it. But
I expected better from National given that we are broke
as a country and they are supposed to be careful

(43:46):
with money.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Keller do for Cela.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Now listen, yesterday the groceries arrived, right. I get my
groceries from Willies, because Willies, by the way, if you
didn't know, this offers a better deal for the deliveries
because you can have a subscription. So there you go.
There's a plug for Willies. However, however, the groceries arrived,
and in the groceries are these little disky things that
you can collect nowadays. Have you seen these things? I
want to take this opportunity to say that they are shite.

(44:11):
What on earth is what is going wrong with Woolworths.
I mean, I love a supermarket thingy. I do love
a supermarket thing, you very much. I've got the knives,
I've got the pots, I've got the pans, I've got
all of the stuff, and I lust after the Smeg
stuff that New World is doing at the moment. But
then I am going to Woolworths and they give me
this crap. And I wouldn't have said anything. I wouldn't

(44:35):
be complaining about a free thing, would I? If it
wasn't that. The last thing that they did was also
quite rubbish, which was those little boxes. What were they? Minecraft?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
What?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Even I'm like, I'm an adult, I don't even know
what Minecraft is. And then I don't want to give
my children stupid cardboard which just feels like a crap toy.
And also, by the way, is not bad, not good
for the environment anyway. So the latest thing is these
Disney discs. I don't even know what you're supposed to
do with them, and they're trying as hard as they
like to kind of pump this up. They've gone all
these promo things going out, which Doesney disc is the

(45:03):
rarest and most valuable. By the way, it's Minnie and
Mickey Mouse standing next to each other, which I got yesterday,
So I don't think it's that valuable anyway. I just
want to say, step up your game. Will Worths please
come on us us next a don.

Speaker 15 (45:16):
A god.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Not to celebrate.

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Speaker 2 (45:38):
Trishurson will do the week for us after eight. Right now,
it's twenty three away from eight and back to the
business of the doll As we said earlier, there are
now more than four hundred thousand kiwis on some sort
of benefit. That's up nearly seven percent on last year.
The number of sanctions are also up though, which is good,
up twenty seven percent. The minister in charge of fixing
this up is Louise Upston with the Social Development Portfolio.
Morning Louise, Good morning Heather. How are you very well?

(46:00):
Thank you? Can you do anything about these numbers in
the short term or do we just need to ride
out this economic storm.

Speaker 20 (46:07):
Well, it is challenging right now and I feel for
anyone who has lost their job recently. But the government's
budget twenty five going for growth, is all about growth
and infrastructure six point eight billion dollars worth of infrastructure
projects as well as add on private sector projects in

(46:28):
the infrastructure pipeline, and that shows that there will be hundreds,
if not thousands of jobs per projects. Some of those
are yet to start yet, so it is a bit
frustrating right now, but I do want to give people
confidence that those jobs are coming.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Hang on, Luise, I mean the people who are on
the DOL though they're not all construction workers, are they?

Speaker 20 (46:51):
No, But we have jobs and skills hubs that are
actively working with job seekers now to look at retraining
options to prepare people, make sure they're work credy and
it can have new skills if they need new skills
to get ready for those jobs.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
But what are we looking at everybody and saying, hey, okay,
here you are. You're a clerical worker, We're just going
to retrain you as a construction work Is everybody going
to become construction workers?

Speaker 11 (47:14):
No?

Speaker 20 (47:15):
But if you think about when those projects start, there's
a variety of roles that come with projects. Some of
them are administrative projects, some of them are involved in
project administration. But look, a big part of what we
are doing with the going for gross in addition for
the infrastructure pipeline, is the settings that give businesses the

(47:35):
confidence to take on more staff. And while we haven't
hit that point in all sectors, we're seeing the primary
industries recover. I'm working on tourism recovery, so those jobs
will come. But I accept right now where we are
in this part of the economic cycle. It is incredibly challenging,

(47:55):
and that is why gross is the government's focus.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Okay, I've got to talk to you about this priority
that's been given to MSD. You've just told them that
they need to focus first and foremost on getting beneficiaries
into jobs. Why wasn't that their focus?

Speaker 20 (48:09):
Well, we made that focus for a couple of the
programs last year more directly, Manna and Mahi and also
Hapo tamarrang Atahi, setting targets for the number or percentage
of people in those programs already being on the job
seeker benefit. We've done that more broadly with the Employment
Investment Strategy, just to make sure that programs that taxpayers

(48:32):
are funding are for those who are already on the benefit.
And Yep, while it might make sense that that would
already be the case, I've confirmed that with the Investment strategy.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Right now, hang on to tech, Well, who was on
these programs if it wasn't people who were on the benefit.

Speaker 20 (48:50):
Well some of them, and some of them will still
work with people at risk of going on to welfare.
So we do need to also think about the who
might come on, and we have to target that more accurately.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
How do you know, someone say most likely, how.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Do you identify somebody who's in a job but likely
to lose their job?

Speaker 20 (49:11):
No, someone who's been long term not in employment. Educational
training is a category, but that's on the benefit. No, no, no, no,
some of that category are not on the benefit yet.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well what do they do?

Speaker 20 (49:25):
So sixteen or seventeen year olds may be not in
employment educational training but not on welfare either, And so
it's a preventative method. And so, for example Mayor's Task
Force for Jobs I met with yesterday, they've often worked
with a group not on benefit. I've said to them

(49:47):
they can work with twenty percent of that cohort, but
the majority need to be already receiving the job seeker benefit.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Okay, So is this wise, though, Louise, because surely the whole,
the whole idea about social investment strategy is actually to
target people like that before they become a problem, when
they're still young.

Speaker 20 (50:07):
Yes, So there's different pieces of work. If we look
at school attendance target, school achievement target, that's all about
ensuring we have fewer people coming out of the education
system who can't go into further education or a job.
There are other preventive mechanisms underway.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Let me just be absolutely clear about this. So what
MSD is doing with these programs only involves two groups,
people who are on the benefit and young people who
may well end up on the benefits. Just those two groups,
nobody else, right.

Speaker 20 (50:35):
No, But in addition to that whither we have things
like the early Response Initiative. So where there's a big
business that is closing, MSD work with that organization and
the employees who are about to be made redundant to
support them immediately before they go on to welfare. So
there will still be programs like that that are right

(50:57):
the way, and they are critically important in these economic
times where there are businesses closing and people being made redundant,
but where there are significant cost programs and some of
them cost eight ten thousand dollars per person, I want
to ensure those are focused on those who are already
on the job seeker benefit and not at people who

(51:20):
are in a position to help themselves.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yes, and I just want to ask you something really quickly. Okay,
have you been following this welfare shakeup in the UK?

Speaker 14 (51:29):
I have at a distance here.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Do you think this is a case of easy populist
politics which just comes around every now and again, or actually,
is this US as a developed world, as part of
the developed world starting to realize generous welfare is unsustainable.

Speaker 20 (51:43):
Well, I do think it's a question that many countries
are having to confront. You know, the number of people
who will be working in New Zealand as taxpayers in
the years to come and the number of people being
supported by the welfare system or through the pension. The
balance needs to come back into balance otherwise it will

(52:03):
not be sustainable in the long term.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Louise, thank you for your time. Louise Upston, Minister for
Social Development and Employment. It's sixteen away from eight.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
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Speaker 2 (52:17):
At b oh gosh as if it's possible. The thing
keeps rolling on. For Mark Latham over in Australia, he
has now been accused of taking covert photographs of female
colleagues in the house and then sharing them with smart
ass messages attached to them and stuff like that. So
we have I have a chat to Steve Price, who's
going to be with us after half past eight listen.
I didn't realize this, and actually it stands to reason

(52:39):
when you think about how you use if you use AI,
how you use AI. But I didn't realize this AI
is actually kind of ruining the Internet or reducing what
we're doing on the Internet. What's going on is it's
changing the way that we do the search. Right, So
instead what you do in the past is you'd be like,
what is what's wrong with Donald Trump's legs? And then
you'd click on the link and it would sort of

(53:00):
bring up an article and that way you could read
through the article. Therefore, it actually gets you to go
to that article. But if you use AI, now you
go what's wrong with Donald Trump's legs? It just tells
you Donald Trump has got you know, whatever vainous problem,
blah blah blah, and it just it runs you through
the details and you don't have a link to click.
You can ask for a link to click. Sometimes there's
a reference to click, but most of the time there isn't.

(53:21):
And so as a result, it's basically we just ended there.
We've got a cool Thanks AI and their head off.
And as a result of that, worldwide search traffic by
humans has fallen by about fifteen percent In the year
to June, science and education sites have lost ten percent
of their visitors. Reference sites have lost fifteen percent of
their visitors. Media is down to nobody feels sorry for

(53:41):
media unfortunately. But health sites are the really big ones
because you know, we love to self diagnose what's wrong
with me. I've got a headache? Am I dying? You
go and read all about it. Now you can just
ask ai that it'll tell you that you're dying, which
is what the Internet always tells you.

Speaker 12 (53:56):
I'm not dying. I've just got pancreatitis. Apparently not dying.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Appssolutely fine. Health sites have lost thirty one percent of
their traffic, So one and three of us are now
no longer going there. We're just happily sitting on the
chat GPT. Wikipedia says that their loss of traffic is alarming.
There's an outfit called dot dash Meridith, which owns a
bunch of titles like people and food and wine and
so on. Three years ago, its site's got more than
sixty percent of the traffic from us doing Googles. Now

(54:19):
it's only thirty percent of the traffic or thereabouts.

Speaker 19 (54:22):
Now.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
What this means for these sites, obviously is that they're
losing money because when you click on the site to
go and find out whether you're dying from your headache,
there's an advertised co advertisement coming at you because you've
been talking about Viking Viking cruises. So then it's like, hey,
here's your Viking cruise, and that is earning money for
that website. Right now it's not earning that money as well.
And in a sad twist of irony, Google, which has

(54:45):
been taking away all the advertising dollars from the local
media in New Zealand, is now having its advertising dollars
taken off it by AI. Now what they're trying to do,
I mean, there's a bunch of media that is a
bunch of websites starting to sue the chat GPT and
strike deals with the chat GBT that's happening aroun the
world and stuff and with the various AI. But what
they're doing, which I think is quite clever, is that

(55:05):
instead of monetizing our eyeballs, they're now monetizing the cruels.
So when there's like a toll booth type thing that
they can set up where if they see the little
chat GPT coming and crawling their site, they charge per
cruel and that's how they're getting some money anyway, see
how that goes, because it's changing everything up the old day. I,
little bit by little bit, the world around us is changing.

(55:27):
Anna Mobray, I just want to update you on this
because she's quite opposed to the social media like I am.
For the teenagers. She's announced she's quit social media, no
longer on Instagram and facebooks, doesn't miss them. Pointed to
a report from Stanford where thirty five thousand participants were
paid to deactivate their Facebook and Instagram accounts, and the results,
she said were striking. People were less anxious, less depressed, happier,

(55:48):
much better over where overall emotional well being. It was
akin to going to therapy. So if you're feeling a
bit grumpy, give it a whoon. The irony as Anna
did announce this on LinkedIn, which is just so a
rapp social media, isn't it? But it's social media all
the same.

Speaker 12 (56:03):
What's more tedious having to listen to somebody self righteously
tell you that they're doing dry July or having to
listen to somebody self righteously tell you they've quit all
social media?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Definitely drive your life, Yeah, definitely drive your life because
I think all of us still love the alcohol. I
don't know. Actually that's a conundrum, isn't it. Ten Never
to be discussed again? Nine Awhere from a Here.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
The duplicy Ellen on the Mic Hosking breakfast with al
Vida Retirement.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Communities News Dogs Head b.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Trishas and Tim Wilson will cover the week that was
for us after eight o'clock at six Away from eight now.
Big weekend ahead for the capital. About twenty five thousand
fans are expected at the Caketon to watch the Hollywood
backed Wrexham team take on the Phoenix. David Dome is
the Wellington Phoenix general manager. Morning David, morning head. Are
you phizzing?

Speaker 15 (56:51):
Yeah, pretty excited about it. We met the wrecks and
guys turned up them yesterday. Had a bit of a
pulpity Ndedcyes. Good bunch of guys. Dave loving it, Loving
it here in New Zealand and it's going to be
a great event for the city tomorrow night. Can't wait.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Do you guys have it in you to beat them?

Speaker 15 (57:06):
Yeah? Of course We Sydney played them on Tuesday night
beat them to one. They had a very young team
on in the second half. I know for a fact
that our academy is ahead of times better than Sydney's.
We've got better players, we've got better coach's got better
staff in our academy. I know for a fact that
we'll put out a very good team on the team
on their ground in the second half and tomorrow night

(57:28):
and who knows, who knows what we can do, but
good players. We've got good players in the club.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Are you hardened by a crowd that book?

Speaker 15 (57:35):
Yeah, it's good, right, I mean, the thing is right
of New Zealand and will into once events like this
people need to turn out and it's no good for us.
People are sitting home watching it on TV, but they
have twenty five thousand at skrist Stadium on Saturday night.
It's a great result and you know, it really does
help us trying to attract events like this for potentially
next evenon. So that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
I mean, I feel like we've been saying this for
a very long time, but somehow it does feel like
football coming of age in this country.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
What do you think, Well.

Speaker 15 (58:03):
You know, we've been doing the hard jacket for about
fifteen years now and playing the professional game along and
like I say, the amount of money our owner is
to put into the academy. And now the women's program
is going great guns and that's going to be a
very very strong program next year. Look, we've been doing
a lot of the hard work, but it's now great.
Auckland's come on board. They've done well. Football is really

(58:24):
going somewhere. The all whites are doing well, the fans
are doing well. It's going to be the future is
very bright for the next five teen years off the
back of what you know we've been doing.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, brilliant. Hey listen, good luck. I hope you guys
win and I'm looking forward to watching it in David Dome,
Wellington Phoenix General Manager. Well football is football really is
coming of ages. And there's a store on Ponsonby Road
which is a cool man's store. So it's I live
in that part of Auckland and they've got they've got
on display in the windows the old Auckland Football Club,
you know, T shirts for the kids and stuff like that,

(58:56):
and it seems to be like people love it. People
are buying it all the time. I bought a couple
for the nephews for Christmas. Very lucky did not expect
to have to pay that much. And I had to
wait for them to be bought in because they they
had already sold out of them. So something is something
is going on with football in this country and I
quite appreciate it. Right, Let's wrap the work of the

(59:17):
It has been a long week, isn't it. It has
been two thirty makes it a long week. Let's wrap
the week next with Trish and Tim and then we'll
head off to Australia and find out more about what
Mark Latham has been up to again. News Togs, the bers.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
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never stop discovering News Dogs Head be.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Cap Can you catch yourself?

Speaker 14 (01:00:01):
And you fall?

Speaker 15 (01:00:03):
You should be careful?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Do you catch This is arguably one of the worst
days of my husband's life because this band is wet
Leg and he hates them with a passion because they're
the band that sings that song Shay's Long, where they
just repeat Shase Long multiple multiple times. Anyway, they've got
a new album. It's not just the two birds anymore.

(01:00:25):
They've added some other people. They've added basically they're touring members. Henry,
Alice and Josh have added been added to the lineup
with Hester and Rheann. The expanded lineup lets them stretch
their sound to express the different flavors of love. These
are love songs for people who don't want to fall
in love, made by a band that sounds more comfortable

(01:00:47):
in its skin than ever. And the album's called Moisturizer.
And if we still could buy CDs, I would be
buying us on the way home and I present it
to him and I'd say, have a happy day, and
he would not with me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Not a week in review with two degrees fighting for
fear for Kiwi Business.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
At eight past eight, we have Tris Sharson and Tim Wilson. Hello,
are you too, Trish? You are listening to that? Is
that a bit of something for you?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
No, it's not.

Speaker 11 (01:01:16):
It's absolutely not a bit of something for me.

Speaker 21 (01:01:18):
I mean, I'm not opposed though, to a song that
does just repeat the same lyric over and over. I
remember that great track. I'm sixy and I know it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:26):
That's great.

Speaker 21 (01:01:26):
I could listen to that all day.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Fills your cup, that wonder. But I don't know about
Shay's long Tim, why don't you have any Wi Fi?

Speaker 14 (01:01:35):
Because I'm sitting in the swift outside I've got an
audiology appointment at eight thirty, so I'm just I'm just
doing it old school.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Sam says, you can get Wi Fi on your phone?
Can you get Wi Fi on your phone?

Speaker 14 (01:01:45):
I don't know, Sam. Sam said, oh, this is a
boomer moment. I'm like, hang on, I'm actually gen x.
I sit between boomers and millennials and judge both.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Is something wrong with your ears? By the way, Tim.

Speaker 14 (01:02:00):
Bit of Tonight's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yeah, it's annoying. Actually, I think I've heard people who
have tonight. Do you know that John John what's his name?
Too good from she had had tonight as that was
so bad it almost drove a mental Did you know that?

Speaker 14 (01:02:13):
Oh my goodness, my goodness, I didn't realize that. Hey,
can I just just agree with what you said about
the Woolies Disney disc Thank god?

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Okay?

Speaker 15 (01:02:20):
Going?

Speaker 14 (01:02:21):
Can we can we go there? Because I'll tell you what,
I don't know what they're for. And also it's the packaging.
I had to order some of the Philistines to go
and pick up the packaging from the Disney discs. Just
the other day because they just left them on the couch.
Can I give another Woolies grizzle? Okay? So why did
they reverse on the f POSS savings and check account?

(01:02:42):
Because what you do is, you know, you're in a dream,
You're in the supermarket. You go in, you swipe your
card and you just select the first one. And what
they said they flipped it. Are people now using their
savings accounts to pay for groceries? I don't know, but
they flipped it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
And just really that your muscle memory means heading the
wrong one the whole time.

Speaker 14 (01:03:02):
Correct, I've recorrected because I'm in I'm a genexa.

Speaker 21 (01:03:08):
Starting to sound like a session down at Senior Net.
You know, can't get on the Wi Fi. You don't
read the words that the pass.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Don't understand the discs at all, and I think.

Speaker 21 (01:03:20):
We need to weel out a nice milky tea and
a scone for them just to settle them into the
first session.

Speaker 14 (01:03:25):
Is there going to be butter on that scone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
At which we cannot afford? Tris? Can you please give
me your take though on those discs? Because I can't
understand the discs and you are actually adjacent to the
supermarket game and they suck as a giveaway, don't they.

Speaker 21 (01:03:39):
Well, I'm going to let you in on a little
secret here, and I actually thought we should for just
for me, when I fill in on this slot, we
should actually call this tea in my Fridays because I
had this problem with Fridays where you know your end
of the week and you had quite stretch a week
and then they sort of release the pressure valve and
you end up telling people too much information on a Friday.

(01:04:01):
And I thought, today that is really not going to
be good because I'm off to the big China Business Summit,
and I thought, God, what on earth's going to pop
out at the You know, you've got the networking sort
of times, your morning tea, your lunch, et cetera. That
it's not going to be great on a TMI Friday
for trash. But anyway, I digress. I have to leave
you a little personal secret. I am never allowed to

(01:04:24):
do the grocery shopping. Don't do the grocery shopping so
and the reason for that is sloppy sort of cash
and budget management. So I go to the supermarket and
unlike other people, I don't really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Have a list.

Speaker 21 (01:04:39):
And then I wander along and normally I go through
the eyes and it's normally it's always in the personal
care aile you get stung, you think I'll go for
the flash moisturizer and go to the you know, the
body wash looks great. And then you get home and
then the person who is in charge of the groceries
likes to do a sort of a full audit and
risk what is in risk around what's happened, why the

(01:05:02):
total is what it is, and why there's actually nothing
to eat. So I haven't seen the disks, don't know
about about it.

Speaker 14 (01:05:10):
Sounds like the way you shop, you'd probably come home
with about four hundred Disney discs. So if you could
you send them to our place please.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
You're collecting them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I can send them to you as well.

Speaker 14 (01:05:19):
I send them to us because they are collected.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Because you had tim. I've got some fantastic news for you.
According to the text machine, the buttons have been changed back.
And the reason they did it in the first place
was because that's the Australian way of doing it, and
they thought, oh, they all sound the same in New
Zealand and Australia. The South Americans thought that and They
were like, don't worry about it. Just give them the
same kind of numbers and then it's not it's not
the same for us.

Speaker 14 (01:05:41):
Do you keep doing that accent?

Speaker 10 (01:05:42):
It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
It just sounds like my mother when I do that. Hey,
is the weird Actually, I want to talk. We'll take
a break and I want to come back to you
guys and talk about the malatonein thing, because it's got
to be the weirdest thing that happened this week. I
think Trishrson Tim Wilson doing the week thirteen past eight the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
By News, It's sixteen past eight, a week in.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Review with two degrees bringing smart business solutions to the
table bag.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Was Trician Tim Tim, I think that the melatonin rule
change was the dumbest thing this week. What do you
think it?

Speaker 14 (01:06:14):
Didn't see they didn't seem to offer much evidence, did they.
They just said, oh, the doctor overseas said it was
the right idea, so we should do it a sleep.
The experts said, oh, it's not that much problem. The
union said they didn't really ask us about I mean,
where's the evidence for this? That's it just seems like
a ruling and we're done.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Do you ever use the Trisha? You ever use the melatonin?

Speaker 21 (01:06:35):
No funny little fun fact about Trisherson. But sleep is
actually my superpower. I can even in an afternoon, I could.

Speaker 14 (01:06:44):
Not shopping but sleep.

Speaker 21 (01:06:45):
Well, well that's because I'm exhausted from the shopping. But
I could literally just lie on the floor, have a
twenty minute nap, get up at night. I have at
least nine and a half to ten hours sleep a night.
I'm like him, I'm like a baby. But the funny
thing with the melatonin is it's actually it's a hormone.

Speaker 14 (01:07:00):
Not a drug.

Speaker 21 (01:07:01):
So it did seem weird to me when there are
a lot of other sort of supplementy things people are
taking for sleep as well.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, do you know what trash Now. I've discussed your sleep,
your sleep requirements with you in the past because I
share this necessity of nine like nine ashes about where
I need to strike. I didn't realize this until I started,
you know, on occasion covering for Mike. But if you
have a nap in the day, because your wake windows
are shorter, you can actually get by with less sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Yeah, so you get like a six hour slot overnight,
and then you can go, you can go, I can
go kind of ten hours, and then you do an
hour and a half and then you can go another
six hours away. Can you just keep doing that? I
mean maybe in the long run you eventually like sort
of wither away and die. Do you know what I mean?
Because there's just nothing left. You're like so sleep deprived,
but it is possible you don't even need the melatonin.

Speaker 14 (01:07:53):
Well wait, wait, you guys are begging me for not
knowing about Wi fi talking about tonight and it's gone,
and then you go off on the Sleep brand.

Speaker 21 (01:08:02):
Come on, everybody, Sleep is a new sleep as the
new blackness.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Smart watch, you know the devices for sleep?

Speaker 14 (01:08:11):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
You're just so sleep deprived from having like five hundred children,
you can't even remember what it feels like to have sleep,
you know.

Speaker 14 (01:08:18):
You know what, Actually, the boys, my wife Rachel, had
had a terrible sleeper yes yesterday, and so you know
what the boys did. They decided to give her breakfast
in bed. So they rode out the menu from the
Hotel Wilson and the what was on the menu was
crumpets and Dorito's and she loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
What else could you possibly want?

Speaker 21 (01:08:40):
You're getting quite some early ROI on your children term.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Longer.

Speaker 14 (01:08:46):
Well, actually, actually Roman dimmed delights, lit candles in the
in the lounge yesterday evening and gave us both the massage.
He's ten.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Oh jeez, your children are awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Listen on the open playing classroom. Do your kids go
to schools with open plans? Have they got the scene yourselves?

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
No?

Speaker 9 (01:09:01):
No.

Speaker 14 (01:09:02):
My wife's a teacher and I was running this by here.
She said, the optimum number of kids in the classroom
is fifteen because you can individualize learning and you get
more one on one experience. Open plan was just crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
It was crazy, wasn't it tricual? I mean, I'm reading
a lot of people who are going no, actually, it
was a great idea. You don't understand. It's complex, but
it doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Speaker 21 (01:09:22):
Well, depending on which way you look at it, I
am either a success or a failure of open playing
classrooms because when I started school at Ocenary Primary in
nineteen seventy eight, it was a country school with only
one classroom. You had everyone in there, from the new
entrance to the big form twos. The most people we
ever had at our school in one year was twenty

(01:09:43):
one and the smallest role we had was eight kids
one year. So I went right through open plan and yeah,
I mean I think I tuned out fine.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
It turned out absolutely fine listening.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Did you get wonderfully?

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, Tricia, I've got to ask you this. I'm afraid
that I'm going to get in trouble. But is it
okay if you have your eighteenth birthday party in Spain
to hire people with dwarphism for the entertainment if they
consent to it.

Speaker 21 (01:10:11):
Well, I saw this story this morning and I thought, well,
there's a hole that both Tim and I could stumble into.
Feels like sort of cancel country to me. So I
consulted not an eighteen year old in my house, but
a twenty year old who normally advises me on sort
of pitfalls that I might not otherwise see as a
gen xer, and she said, Mum, do absolutely not talk

(01:10:33):
about that. So I'm giving you the word from my
senior advisor.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Okay, Tim, Well, yeah, I mean if you ask Roman
quickly what he thinks, Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:10:44):
Yeah, no, I think yeah, those the people who attended
who were you know who have this syndrome. They said
it was fine, they were happy to be there. An
organization that forports to represent them says, oh, it's no good.
There's obviously a division of responses there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Yeah, okay, guys, thank you very much, appreciate it. And
Trisha enjoy your your China business breakfast or whatever you have,
and the tim enjoy your audiology appointment and hopefully you
manage to reverse whatever damage you've done to you is
that's Tris Shurs and Tim Wilson are reviewing the week
for us. Heather, try two Kiwi fruit for sleep, and
then rub the Vicks vapor rub into the soles of

(01:11:24):
your feet. I've done it the last two nights and
it works.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Why not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
It's not going to hurt you as it. It's got
vitamin C and a delicious smell, So go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Eight twenty one, Heather duper c Allen on the mic
Husking Breakfast with the land Rover, Discovery News Talks.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
Heather dupas Olut, good morning head.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing about butter every
time I turn on the radio. Can we move on?

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
So am I? But can we move on? Nothing is
ever going to change? Well, Nikola Willis has got a
meeting with Fonterra next week, so you never know. Things
may in fact change. I am being sarcastic. Nothing's going
to change. By the way, do you remember how Anthony
Albanez he pulled all that money into the Papua New
Guinea NRL team in order to try to stave off

(01:13:11):
and they were all these like deep all these clauses.
Part of the deal was to keep Beijing influence out.
Unfortunately for them, the chairman of that new super New
Rugby League franchise has just been out at his facing
corruption concerns involving a Chinese company, so that hasn't worked
very well for Albanize. Will have a chat to Steve
Price about that when he's with us shortly. It's eight
twenty six now on the Epstein thing, which is remarkable

(01:13:34):
because it continues to roll on for Donald Trump. Of
all the things that is plaguing him, this is plaguing him.
What's interesting is how many people who've been raving about
Epstein have now gone quiet since Trump told them to
stop talking about it. So on Sunday night, you'll remember
he issued that statement and he said not to waste
any more time and energy on it. And apparently at
Fox News they listened to that. Epstein's name was only

(01:13:56):
brought up eight times the following day. All of Monday,
they only mentioned him eight times, and the first time
they mentioned him was after six o'clock in the evening,
which is interesting because they have been going hard on
Epstein for the longest time. And they named check Joe Biden,
who's not even in power anymore, one hundred and fifty
eight times in the same day. Jesse Watters, who's honor
at eight, is obsessed with it, like he's completely obsessed
with Epstein. He didn't mention it at all himself during

(01:14:19):
the show. There was one mention when his producer was
out interviewing beach goers. And what makes it more remarkable, obviously,
is everybody around the world is talking about it, but
apparently not the guys at Fox News. So you go,
it's possible to shut it down if you just told
them to shut up. News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Head behither you need to start your own conspiracy theory podcast?
Don't even Actually that's not idea. They are in this
particular business trying to you know, we're trying to expand
into podcasts. Everybody knows that we're doing that. And I
have been wondering, what could I possibly do a podcast
on that I don't already do it radio show on
and in Conspiracy theory is not a terrible idea. I
love a conspiracy theory. I mean, I don't know what

(01:15:16):
that's going to do for my my already flimsy reputation.
But we'll see. Listen, Chloe Swallbrick, something funny is going
on with the Chloe Swallbrick film. You know, this is
the one that they were going to put money into.
I'm going to run you through that short because I
don't know if are we ever going to see this thing?
Twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Steve price Ossy corresponding with US Morning, Steve, get over that.
Now I see that this trip, this elbow trip to China,
has been labeled indulgent.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
Why well, James Patterson, the opposition says that what Anthony
Alberdizi has done over the last couple of days and
probably claries are not following it as closely as we are.
But he went out to the Great Wall of China
with his fiance Jodi, and there was pictures of them
obviously walking along this major tourist attraction. Why is that

(01:16:08):
seen as indulgent? Well, back in nineteen seventy two, then
Prime Minister Goff Whitlam, who was actually it was before
he was PMS, who was opposition leader in the early seventies,
went to China and walked on the wall and there's
famous pitches and it was the beginning of Dayton between
Australia and China. And Anthony Albanezi obviously was raised at

(01:16:28):
the foot of the Great Man GoF with them, and
so this was quite an emotional thing for him to
go and do, to reprise what the great leader back
then had done. He also went off to the zoo
to see the pandas which it does all sound a
little bit like a holiday rather than a major trip
with the EPMs come out and gone and hang on
a minute. You know, I've been here six days. He's

(01:16:50):
filing back to Australia by the way as we speak.
He said that he has met the appropriate people, he's
talked about business, he's obviously had his meeting with g
and he believes that he's achieved quite a bit. He
argues that the visit to China has further standing among
everyday Chinese people, I mean every day Chinese people, even

(01:17:11):
though who he is probably not. He says, these pictures
go to twenty seven million people in Australia. Well, yeah
they do, and we're going through a cost of living crisis.
Most people can't play their mortgage and youngsters can't buy houses.
So I'm not sure that they're all that interested in
whether you go to see the pandas or go for
a walk on the wall. But these trips, look, I'm

(01:17:32):
never cooked overly critical of them. They're necessary. Australia does
quite a bit of business in China. We see a
lot of wine and crayfish, and we know what happened
during COVID heather when they shut all that down. So look,
he's probably achieved something. He's bigger problem now as he
comes back to Australia and everyone will go, well, that
was good. When are you going to see Donald Trump?

Speaker 14 (01:17:51):
That's his problem?

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Fair enough. And obviously back in Australia, you guys have
got those economic problems with the jobless rate going up
and so on. Do you think it means you get
a cut from the RBA next time?

Speaker 10 (01:18:02):
Well, it looks like it, and that's what the economists
are predicting, although the same economists didn't predict what was
going to happen with the unemployment rate. Thirty four thousand
jobs lost in June. Unemployment rates at four point three percent.
That's the highest level since twenty twenty one. Only two
thousand new jobs redded to the economy. The economists expected
twenty thousand jobs. This is very interesting for me because

(01:18:25):
I know a lot of people, particularly in the media
industry in that form of show, the project I worked on,
have lost jobs in recent months. And I keep saying, well,
hang on, I know a lot of businesses going broke alone,
a lot of people losing jobs outside media as well,
And how come the unemployment rate hasn't changed. Well, I
think it's starting now to catch up, and I think

(01:18:45):
we're going to see a real winter of discontent with
people losing work Parliament and by the way, goes back
on Monday. They haven't sat, well, I'll sit on Tuesday.
They haven't actually sat since the election on May three.
You know, while we're all out here busting our backsides
to earn a dollar, the politicians have all been swamming

(01:19:05):
around the country doing nothing, or around the world.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
As it turns out, would you swim? Would you swim
in the Era?

Speaker 10 (01:19:11):
You're kidding. I mean, I'm going to talk to Hosky
about this on Monday, but I mean, seriously, he knows Melbourne. Well,
you die before you jump in there. I mean, the
only people who jumped in the river voluntarily and this
was started by American tennis star Jim Currier is people
who win the Australian Open tennis in January. Can you
imagine today is going to be five degrees in Melbourne?

(01:19:32):
And it's not just the temperature though. I've got two
daughters who are rowers, and they would come home and
tell me Dad, I saw another dead dog in the
Era today when we were steering the boat past our competitors.
I mean, there's been dead bodies and cars. There's open
drains drained into it. This bloke, Nick g Reecee is
the Lord Mayor. He's also about to go off on
an overseas trip. He says, Oh no, look at the

(01:19:53):
same which they've now opened for swimming. You remember during
the Olympic Games with people who had died swimming in
the in the say that was closed in nineteen twenty
three and just open to the Olympics. This bloke's got
rocks in his head if he thinks anyone with any
sense would go swimming in the Ara River.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Oh that sounds gress. Now these allegations that have just
swirled all week against Mark Latham, what happens next? I mean,
how long can he weather this? Do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:20:20):
This is a guy who was a halfbet away from
being Prime Minister, the leader of the Labor Party. He
lost the election to John Howard because he aggressively grabbed
him in a very famous handshake out side of radio studio,
and that killed his chances. He's been in a relationship
with a woman. He has now been subjected to a
number of fowl allegations which he denies clearly by the

(01:20:42):
partner that he was then with. He's a member of
the New South Wales Upper House. Now the New South Wales'
Upper House does nothing, So from a political point of view,
it doesn't matter whether lat and Zee or not. It's
a typically grubby Sydney's story that makes my flesh crawl,
quite frankly. And if the allegations have any substance to

(01:21:03):
them that he says they don't, then police should investigate it.
And if police investigate it and find it to be correct,
they will then do the right team.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yea, it says a lot that the police have chosen
not to investigate I suppose Steve, thank you very much,
appreciate it, enjoy your weekend. That is Steve Price, Ossie correspondent.
And by the way, on that business with the Air
India jet crash, which has kind of been bubbling away
because you know, they released the audio files and everybody
was like, well what does this tell us? It tells
us nothing. We're as confused as we were before. A
bit more clarification now has come through. It was the

(01:21:34):
captain who turned the fuel supply off. It was the
junior pilots. Because in it somebody asks somebody, why did
you turn that off? And they say I didn't. It
was the junior pilot who's asking why did you turn
off the fuel supply? It was the captain who was
calm and said he didn't. The junior guy realized what
was going on, was panicking and then ten seconds after
it was turned off, it was turned back on. Also,

(01:21:55):
Air India is under a significant amount of pressure, as
you can imagine, because of what's going on. It's check now.
It's gone and checked all of the boeings in its fleet,
found no issues with any of the fuel switches. So
focus is back on the captain. Sixteen away from nine,
the Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Why are people from New Zealand going to Australia if,
as Steve Price says, they're having job problems, one wanders Lynn,
that'll be because people the news hasn't reached people yet
and they'll go over there and they will find that
butter is more expensive over there, and in fact it's
hard to get a job there too, and then who knows,
go on to even greener pastors or perhaps come home now,
Chloe Swabrick, something is going on with the film about

(01:22:40):
Chloe Swarbrick. This is from media insider Shane Curry's thing
that he does for The Herald. An excellent job. You
remember this film, right, This is the film reasonably controversial
because taxpayers put two hundred thousand dollars into a film
about it a politician, which I still think is a
bit I not call with that anyways, pick because it

(01:23:01):
feels like picking sides. Anyway. This thing was due to
be due to come out in twenty twenty three and
it didn't come out, And here we are in twenty
twenty five and it still hasn't come out. So the question,
of course is when is it going to come out? Well,
apparently no one really knows. It's all sort of hopes
and guesses. At the moment. The director says hopefully later
this year, but maybe early next year. New Zealand on

(01:23:22):
Air says, no, it's absolutely going to be delivered this year.
TV three, who are the ones who have the TV rights,
They haven't got a date at all to tell us.
The reasons why there is some sort of a delay
is a mystery. No one is saying why it's been
delayed so far, seventy five percent of the money that
you and I have put into it, which works out
about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars has already been spent.

(01:23:43):
The film was supposed to be called Being Chloe. It's
now something else, but they won't tell us what it's called.
So now the question is, well, if what happens next year,
what's the big thing? Oh, that's right, yes, an election.
So this would be a bit weird if a film
paid for by the taxpayer about one of the political
leaders comes out in the same year that we're having

(01:24:03):
a contest where we're going to pick between the political leaders.
Do you know what I'm saying? That'll be a bit strange,
isn't it. So they were asked about that. The director said,
I think you could ask these questions of my producer
if you want, but we will be making sure that
doesn't happen. The producer, Letitia Tate Dunning, did not respond
to messages.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Is any what I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Maybe we get it, maybe we don't. Let's see what happens. Hey, Now,
I don't often give a shout out to labor, and
that's not a me problem. That's a labor problem. You know,
like they're going to have to do things that are
worthwhile in order to get a shout out, and I
think it's not the labor of Helen Clark, is it nowadays?
But anyway, just to shout out to them, because actually
not a bad idea from them. Camilla Belich, who's one
of their probably their stars, actually in the Labor Caucus,

(01:24:46):
has got a member's bill drawn out of the biscuit
and it's the pay transparency one. This is the one.
Basically how it works is if you have a clause
in your contract, which actually I think I do, so
I'm not allowed to tell you how much I get paid.
I'm not allowed to talk about it. Otherwise the employer
is going to be angry with me. Her bill will
override that, so it will no longer be enforceable by

(01:25:06):
your employer. Now I think I personally I acknowledge that
legislation that overrides contracts is not awesome. So that's not awesome.
But I still think it's a good idea because I
always feel that your pay is your information and not
actually your employers. You own that particular information about yourself,
so if you want to talk about it, you can,
and more importantly you do, don't you you talk of

(01:25:29):
evil anyway, even though you're not supposed to do, so
what's the point in it? And in which case you
get rid of it? So Yeah, labors come up with
the idea, national supporting it, probably going to pass. I
think it's a great idea. Nine away from nine Hither.

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Speaker 9 (01:25:51):
Moo.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
He is one of the founders. He's the one who
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DJ work. That's just news coming through and no further
detail on that at the moment, although I'm sure as
as more detail comes to hand it will be brought
to you by news talks they'd be It's six away
from nine.

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Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Man, is there a scandal on the internet this morning.
I'm gonna paint you a picture of what happened in
the early hours overnight. Okay, we're at a cold Play concert.
It's in Boston, and if you've ever been to a
cold Play concert, were if you were there when it
happened here in Auckland. You'll know that they do the
kisscam during the concert. So Chris Martin has got the
kisscam going on around and he's commenting on a couple
of kisscam moments, and the camera pans to a couple

(01:26:35):
and it's a lovely scene. Man is standing there, she's
standing directly in front of him, got his arms wrapped
around her. She's cuddling into her. They're a good looking couple,
great kind of you know, like middle aged. He's graying,
nice short haircut. She's got long hairs but going a
bit gray. But they're good looking people. At this point
they realize they are on camera. There are arms released

(01:26:56):
from each other. Immediately, she hides her face. She turns away,
literally drops to the floor and ducks down behind the
seats in an attempt not to be seen.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Yeah, all of these people, all right, every one rookie.

Speaker 13 (01:27:09):
But I what.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Either they're having an affair or it's a great shun.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Either they're having an affair, they're just very shy. Well,
the internet can answer that question for you because it
worked very quickly. The man is Andy Byron, the CEO
of billion dollar company Astronomer. The woman is Kristin Cabot,
the HR chief of Astronomer. Both of them are married,
not to each other. Neither of them has commented on

(01:27:39):
the video. So far. Byron has deleted all of his
social media and his wife has removed her last name I. E.
Byron from all of her accounts and has made them private.
So there's a life lesson in there somewhere. Depending on
which part of that life lesson you want to learn,
it's either don't go to Coldplay, don't have an affair,
don't have an affair and go to Coldplay. At the
same time, if you're gonna have an a fair, don't

(01:28:00):
be at a concert. There's lots of lots of lessons, And.

Speaker 12 (01:28:02):
There's an interesting choice of date, isn't it if you
are having an affair, to go to you know, somewhere
where there are hundreds of well tens of thousands of people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
And the camera. Yeah, it was riskue. It was riskue,
and look look at how it paid off. Hey, do
you know earlier in the week I was telling you
about my boss's dog going to the hotel. I told
you on Monday, boss's dog went to the hotel. It
was the qt in Auckland State. They had a wonderful time.
The boss has got it. There's an Instagram account after that.
The instagram account collected a fair few followers. Actually, I

(01:28:30):
am regretting to inform you that, in fact, there's a book.
There is a book called Ernie and the Magic Kennel.
Because the Boss used to work at a radio music station.
They've got a lot of time in music radio. I
don't know if you know that, And so they decided
to use their time to write a book. And actually,
and the book has been given. The book has been
given to Queen Elizabeth, and the book has gone around
the world and a lot of people have the book.

(01:28:51):
I'm just opening page. Ernie is a corgy. He has
a shiny crown, a fluffy bum and furry tum not
far off the ground. Kennell is his castle. It's red
and gold and green. He's very loyal, thinks he's royal,
best friend of the Queen. That is actually good though,
isn't it. Anyway? So I've got now I'm int on
the dog thing and that's going straight to Iggy and

(01:29:12):
the baby. Thank you for having me God buy one,
by the way, thank you for having me on the show.
Thank you for all of the lovely messages today, saying
it's been a delight to have me. It's been more
of a delight for me to be with you and
to discover what happens in this world. At two point
thirty at the morning, Mike is back with you. On Monday,
I'll be back on drive. Enjoy your weekend

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
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