Full Show Podcast: 11 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's your source of breaking news, challenging opinion and honored facts.
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Veda, Retirement Communities, Life Your
Way News, Togsdad b Honing to Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today, Growing ankst around the government's ideas on shoplifting as
it becomes a guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Sort
of equation. Netball New Zealand not having a good time
of it. We talked to the chair. Jetstar are an
expansion mode. Andrew Webster's in playoff Motives with us after Ray,
Joe McKenna and Italy Rob Little in the UK seven
Class six Thursday Morning, Welcome to It. Hasn't worked from
home become funnier? Seek have produced a thing called Money

(00:33):
Matters and they look at work life balance. Actually, hasn't
that become funny as well? Work life balance? I can't
place it exactly, but it seems a covid thing. The
world changed, so did we working hard as so last
year now or so last decade we all long for
apparently work life balance with a good sprinkling of mental
health days. But working from home is a scam because,

(00:54):
according to Money Matters, if you've got to pay rise,
you'd go back to the office quick as you like.
So is it about work life balance or really about
the money? You see, everything's about money if you're honest,
We just like to pretend it isn't. You feel more
virtuous if you pretend it isn't. Ah, But money matter
spills the truth. Working from home is easier. We save
on the commute. You can claim that, well, you're more productive,

(01:14):
blah blah blah, and then suddenly someone goes, well, how
about twenty percent more? Oh cool, I'm out of here
quick as you like. We would work more hours for
more money. We would take on an increased workload for
more money. We would commute further for more money. There
isn't much we wouldn't do for more money. The work
from home thing, by the way, is funny because before COVID,
there was virtually no such thing. Of course, the idea

(01:35):
that you could invent a thing and then having invented
it because I mean, we're all locked down so that
we had no choice, and then turn it into a
permanent thing that could only be broken by a pay
rise is the ultimate and face. It's an insight into
how quickly a habit can form if it suits you anyway.
The only other thing that can make us blow up
our precious work life balance is more time off. But
it still doesn't beat money. It's why Lotto it's popular.

(01:57):
I guess money solves everything. So the conclusion from Moneys,
do we value work life balance? My word?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
We do?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
But do we value it more than money? Don't make
me laugh?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Drones, Russia, Poland scrambling jips. What doll we make of at?
President Trump has written this somewhat cryptic post on his
social platform, what with Russia violating Poland's airspace with drones?
He says, here we go U care into helping Poland.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
Russian's actions are reckless, They're dangerous, They're unprecedented.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
We see what Putin is doing.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I've asked our UK armed forces to look at options
to bolster NATO's air defense.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do the other are the US trying to hose down yesterday?
For all those who thought diplomacy got blown up, they
have to surrender, They have to go.

Speaker 7 (02:49):
They can't stay and have any future in Gaza, and
they have to let all of the hostages go.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And they have utterly rejected that.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
How this affects it.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I simply think the answer is we don't know. Now
to the growing Mendelssohn Epstein's scandal, the Prince of Darkness
they used to call them, this is Mendleton, that' spin doctor,
extraordinary Labour party legion. These days Ambassador to the US
seems a bit close, a little bit friendly, although he's
got an excuse.

Speaker 8 (03:15):
I fell for his lives.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
I fell and accepted assurances that he had given me
about his indictment, his original criminal case in Florida.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Like very many people, this.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Mike's life walkies for Kia.

Speaker 6 (03:31):
Full due process was followed during disappointment, as it is
with all ambassadors. The Ambassador has repeatedly expressed his deep regret.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
He is right to do so.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
He's now playing an important part in the US UK relationship.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
But easy meet for Kimmy.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
The Ambassador should be in the White House talking about
how we respond to an encouragion into unto airspace. Instead
he is giving interviews about himself to the Sun.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
This is a man who already had.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
To be removed from cabinet twice.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, finally, the rich Folksteakes has had a shake up overnight.
Ole Scotship off. They went up almost forty one percent
for a time yesterday. It's tech, hits cloud, its future business.
It means old laza as an Allison saw was netwelth
jump from four hundred and ninety billion to six hundred
and sixty billion, just like that, which makes it now
the richest man in the world. That is news of

(04:20):
that world in nineteen You'll be pleased to know Russia
said this morning it's got no plans to target Poland.
But I don't know how much weight you want to
put on that. And by the way, Harry's just met Charles,
which is nice, isn't it. He was a couple of
hours ago driving to Clarence House. The King came back.
He had been in Scotland. Arrived at Clarence House at
about four their time. Came into West London from Scotland

(04:40):
about three o'clock after a flight from Aberdeen. So Harry
and the King have met. So some hope that a
few things can be sorted out. Eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio call
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Speaker 2 (05:00):
A couple of things from Trump. Lander's latest plan is
to press the EU to come up with one hundred
percent tariffs on India and China, therefore squeezing Russia. Obviously,
this is the oil price and the other thing he's lost,
perhaps not surprisingly, this is the way it seems to go.
You go round, sack somebody. That person who's been sacked
takes them to cord and at that particular point they win.
So this is Lisa Cook. The federal judges blocked Trump

(05:23):
from firing Hershey's the Reserve Bank governor, until of course
it plays out in court. It all eventually heads to
Scots fourteen parts second.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
To generate.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Greg Smith, morning to you more as you like. But
are the thirteen thousand, So what do we make of that?

Speaker 9 (05:40):
Yeah, those migration Taiwans are fading, but there is a
little bit of good news. But yeah, you look at
migrant arrivals for the July Yeah, one hundred and forty thousand,
that was down twenty percent. That's a world away from
two and thirty four thousand October between three departures are
up fourteen percent on hundred and twenty seven thousand, four hundred,
that's around peak levels. So that net migration gain of

(06:01):
thirteen thousand, that's a world away from the peak of
one hundred and thirty five thousand in October tween twenty three,
and we're actually running at less than half of the
long term average pre COVID. We gain sixty thousand non
New Zealanders. That's down over forty percent on twenty twenty four,
but interestingly it is actually up to thirty percent above
pre COVID, so increasingly diverse population there. But we lost

(06:22):
forty seven thousand, six hundred New Zealand serisms might that's
a record three thousand and high and a year ago
double pre COVID averages. And on a growth basis, seventy
three thousand kiwis departing these shores, so that rows slightly
on June as a record. So yeah, the brain drain continues.
And interestingly, the average or median age of people leaving
is thirty one, those arrivings twenty one, so there's a

(06:44):
net loss of skills abroad. If we want to look
at a positive, July looks a little bitter, So net
migration gain of four thousand, one hundred that's up three
thousand on June. Student these arrivals are factor but overall
just tells us that New Zealander is still not that
attractive economically, obviously subdued demand for labor, which I've talked about.
But let's look at the big positives MIC on the

(07:05):
tourism front. Visit arrivals June and thirty six thousand July.
That's up forty thousand, seven hundred for a year ago.
Almost one hundred and twenty seven thousand ossies. That's a
record for July annually three point four million, that's up
one hundred and seventy thousand thereabouts, and again driven by Aussies.
They make up around about forty percent of those numbers.
So I guess the a dollar for fetching a dollar

(07:26):
ten of our currency might drive a few more over.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now, Kee We sabers interesting these numbers from the FMA.
So for the first time, fewer people are contributing to
Keywi Saber. So what does this tell us?

Speaker 9 (07:39):
Well, that's right, and then that's the issue. So you
look at forty percent are not contributing, and you've looked
at the age between eighteen and sixty five, which are
most likely to thirty percent aren't contributing. So the good
news is this that the indescent pools getting getting larger.
So it's up ten percent according to the FMA over
the past year. So I have to one hundred and
twenty three billion. Obviously. Yeah, it has been a great

(08:02):
scheme since it was formed in two thousand and seven.
Two are strength and resilience and so on. But you
were approaching twenty investor obvious. There's been a lot of
talk about compulsory super in recent days, Mike and lifting
those contributions, and I think, look, it's worthy of a conversation.
You know, cost of living's rising, people aren't contributing. Retirees

(08:22):
living longer, more active lives. The Financial Services Coountcil Arican,
only forty four percent of people feel prepared for retirement.
You look at the average balance per the FMA, it's
thirty six grand Messi University of the Areca in a
single home and it needs two hundred and seventy one
thousand overs SUPER to live a comfortable retirement, one hundred
and eighty three thousand for a no frills one. And

(08:44):
then yeah, lots of people aren't contributing. So three point
four million thereabouts enrolled in Kiwi SABER, making compulsory would
add over a million people more into the fold. So yeah,
we have contributed around about seven point eight billions, so
that's improved the culture of saving, but I think more
more needs to be done. So we look at the
successful blueprin obviously and Aussie they've been going a lot
longer since Kenning Bordling in ninety two. But yeah, twelve

(09:07):
percent currently four trillion pull their fifth largest hold of
pension assets, and it's done a lot for their economic resilience.
And then you look at a scheme such as Sweden
sorts of Netherlands that's.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Booted their well being.

Speaker 9 (09:18):
And we did actually have a obviously a vote on
compulsory super the referendum in ninety ninety seven was ninety
two percent against, but that was a bit flawed, and
I think, you know, the proposal around text cuts would
be way better. It would avoid that boom bust sort
of cycle, and it will be neutral from inflation perspective,
so much more productive. Just interally, we've been running a

(09:38):
social media pole. Eighty percent are in favor of ten
percent minimum compulsory supers, So lots to work out, including
those billions of dollars of text cuts. Now they'll be funded.
But yeah, every process has a starting.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Point against Mike, Well done, what are the numbers?

Speaker 9 (09:52):
So the numbers we have got the dore is down
half percent probably seven four five six, but the S
and P five hundred is in a new re called
up point three percent sixty five three four hulso inflation
that he's a bit unexpectedly as you'd talked about Oracle
that serged forty percent. The AI related revenews up fifteen
hundred percent last quarter. NaN's take up point one percent,

(10:13):
foot See down point two percent, Nicky up point nine percent,
A six two hundred up point three percent, eighty eight
three zero. He's the X fifty. We had a good
session up point two percent, thirteen two seven six. Gold
up twenty bucks three thousand and six and forty six
an ounce. That's near a record. Oil up a dollar
twelve sixty three spot seventy five currencies against the uistallo
we're up point four percent fifty nine point five. We

(10:35):
are now under ninety against the Australian A nine point
eight that was down point two percent, British pound forty
four even point three percent in the Japanese yen point
three percent high as well, eighty seven point seven.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You have a good one might catch up soon. That
is Greg Smith, of course from Generate Wealth and Key
we save as specialists.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
Pascal, well, we're going to have a.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Conversation about that dollar when it's below ninety Australian something
isn't run this before you get to the factors forty
three pounds anyway, By the way, Oracle, just quickly back
to it what it was and what popped it, because
the result was sort of you know, it was okay,
but what popped it is They went from they saw
ten point three billion dollars in cloud infrastructure revenue until

(11:14):
they revised that up over the next five years from
ten billion to one hundred and forty four billion dollars,
and people went, hello, I'll have a piece of that.
Six twenty one, the News Talk said.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Bod the Vike asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
now it by News.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Talks at b The other thing from trump Land. By
the way, the Supreme Court has scoters has said they'll
hear that tariff here. And that's the big one of
all the court cases of which there must now be
hundreds of all that that's the big one. If he
loses that, he's toast nab NAB four hundred and ten jobs.
So the banking industry has had a shocking week in
Australia for all the people wanting to leave the country.

(11:57):
When you talk about those migration this one is trying
to say to Ryan before the news, if you want
to go to Australia, go to Australia. It doesn't bother me.
What I'm saying is, what are you landing to NAB yesterday?
Four hundred and ten jobs on top of the A
and Z three and a half thousand jobs. And then
you get to probably one of the most interesting job
stories going Nova Nordisk, which for a while, this is Wagobi.

(12:17):
For a while, they could do no wrong. For a while,
they were in Clover. For a while, they were the
GDP of their home country. They were Nokia and Finland
all over again, until they weren't. And now the whole
thing has gone tits up in the most spectacular fashion.
They're laying off over night. Eleven point five percent of
the company, nine thousand jobs are gone. It's a company

(12:39):
wide transformation. They must have thought for a while they'd
struck gold and now it's a mess.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Six twenty five trending now with him as well Spring
Frenzy sale on.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Now now to the video that's got America grip. This
is de Carlos Brown Junior caught on the video randomly
stabbing the Ukrainian woman of course sitting on that train
in front of them. This is Charlotte North Carolina. She
died from the wounds. Judge gave him bail. I should
have been in a psych unit. Of course, Trump waited
and which mde it worse, called for the death penalty.
Now we got a phone call between the cautless and

(13:12):
his sister that's been leaked and who else to but
the Daily Mail where he blames the things in his
body for the attack.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
So you said, something in your body did what the material?

Speaker 8 (13:24):
Uh feel like the materia used my body to step lady.

Speaker 10 (13:28):
And so she just got stabbed.

Speaker 11 (13:30):
Yeah, you know that's not me something about just for
no reason. But since they did that, Since they.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Did that, now they got to investigating the chair my body.
They want to do all that.

Speaker 12 (13:41):
Now I got to investigate.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
So I'm just trying to understand out of all people, Hey.

Speaker 11 (13:46):
It ain't I don't have nothing.

Speaker 7 (13:48):
They just lashed out on him, that that's what happened.

Speaker 11 (13:51):
Whoever was working in material they lasted out on.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Compelling, isn't it? By the way, speaking of courts, I'm
glad we got the Justice minister on. We've got him
on with the business of the shoplifting. And you're going
to need to prove that there's something really like you
you were I don't know, it was a mistake or whatever.
The defense is going to be so innocent until proven
guilty is being flipped. We've got a bill of rights angst.

(14:16):
But yesterday the courts yet again told Kim dot Com
that his arguments about staying in the country had not
been extradited to America. Don't stack up? There is apparently,
as lawyer claims, there's more where that came from. So
how long this goes, it's there's something wrong with the
justice or judicial process. This thing began in twenty twelve.

(14:36):
Twenty twelve, the United States said, can we have Kim
dot Com with like a word? And ever since he's
hired lawyers and been in and out of the New
Zealand judicial system to try and prevent himself being extradited
to the United States. The latest chapter played out yesterday.
You've surely got to ask the question when is enough enough?
And I think I might ask the Justice Minister that

(14:56):
after seven o'clock this morning, meantime news is next on
the my casting bridge, the.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
News and the news Makers, the MI Casting Breakfast with
Rainethrover leading by example, news togs dead.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Be excuse me. I shouldn't really start breaks like that
just by coughing. But I wasn't going to, but it
suddenly I felt I was going to choke Tacker to Ferris,
how calls he?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
How would you like him on your team? Related matters,
Susan Lay in Australia yesterday had to sack just Senter
Price from the front bench, and she's subsequently gone on
to refuse three times to say whether she backed Lay's leadership,
so that's an ongoing thing. Her claim Prices was that
eighty five percent of people who had been brought into

(15:42):
Australia of Indian antcestry ended up voting for labor, which
of course everyone went, what theah and she needed to
apologize and she didn't and wasn't going to until it
became increasingly embarrassing, so embarrassing that Lay Yesterday's sacked us.
So watched this space twenty three minutes away from seven.
But we will come back to Feris in a couple
of it's all about Poland. Obviously in the EU at

(16:02):
the moments of Joseph it will shortly meets I'm back here.
So economic insight into our state of play comes from
the Hunter Campbell Group mood ofout our CFOs. We have
an uptick and confidence thirty eight percent, expecting modest to
strong growth over the next twelve months. That's up from
thirty one, So thirty one up to thirty eight. Lee Marshall,
managing partner at Hunter Campbell, is with us. Lee, morning to.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
You well and Mike, thanks for having on not at all.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
CFOs versus CEOs, versus boards, work versus surveys the value
of a CFO, and there insight is what.

Speaker 13 (16:31):
Look I think for us CFOs who are at the
very top of the tree and looking after all of
the finances on a day to day basis, they consider
economic and legislative factors on a daily basis. So in reality,
and there's no one really a better place than a
CFO to give us a three sixty view of how
businesses have performing and what we can expect moving forward.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So what are you hearing generally versus their own stories?
There are divergence there.

Speaker 13 (16:56):
Yes, what we're actually saying. One of the big things
that came out of the surveys that were starting to
see a little bit of a I guess a two
speed economy start to take shape in New Zealand. Almost
exactly fifty percent of the businesses that we surveyed had
either met or exceeded their targets for the last year,
and the other fifty percent, how the stagnated or went backwards.

(17:18):
So we're started to see a little bit of a
two speed economy start to take shape in New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Are you seeing the uptickers reel? Because we all thought
twenty five was going to get bitter? It hasn't. We
were wrong collectively. How do we know they're not wrong?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Now?

Speaker 12 (17:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (17:34):
Look, I think the longer time goes on, the clear
of the picture will become. You know, we are facing
a pretty big mess economically, right so, and the world
world and a little bit of turmoil, I think. So,
I think it's a really complex environment that we're facing
and as we work through this though, and what we
did say is that if you had a decent year
in the last twelve months. You are very confident that

(17:56):
it's going to get better in the next twelve months,
and so that was heartening to see that and that
there's less uncertainty kicking around with those businesses going pretty well.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
What about the old irony that good people are hard
to find? How is it possible with the capacity in
the economy, good people are still hard to find.

Speaker 13 (18:12):
Yeah, Look for the accounting sector in particular, we sort
of started this period in pretty bad shape. I think
we read somewhere that the Big four has shrunk their
headcount in the last twelve months by five hundred people.
We are producing less accountants from university, and we also
lose people to overseas on a regular basis, particularly to London,

(18:33):
and people go on our theirrow way. So we start
from a really poor position from a talent perspective, and
then you have all of these factors come into play
and it makes it a little bit more difficult. Succession
planning for businesses came through the survey as one of
the biggest strategic blind spots. Only one in four CFOs
are confident that they have the right talent and place

(18:55):
for succession planning, So we actually we have a big
issue around future plan and some gaps starting to show
in a market there.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's stuff on compliance and simplified texts. Every time you
ask somebody who deals with pens and papers and counting,
they always say, oh, we need a bit of compliance
and simplifying text Is that real? I mean, are we
really that bad? Have we done nothing in the decades
worth of surveys, ve and reading about.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
This, Well, I think we've done some things, and certainly
there have been some tweaks to tax policy that this
was really a big number. Those seventy nine percent of
CFO surveyed said they want the government to move policies
so they can help accelerate growth. But interestingly, for me,
un look sixty five percent of them spoke specifically to

(19:40):
tax but interestingly only thirty eight percent of the respondents
have actually worked with government to remove these roadblocks. So
if you ask me, we actually need to see more
business working with governments to try and move this forward.
And look, at the end of the day, we've got
a general election next year. The likelihood of major policy
changing happening anytime soon as probably quite quite unlikely. So

(20:03):
I think business is largely to get off their hands
and start helping themselves out.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Really good on you. I could talk to you for hours.
In fact, we may get you back on another day
and an interesting insight. Lee Marshall Hunter Campbell, managing partner
with us the Smalling Mic. I don't agree with your
commentator at six fifteen. I feel the reason for lack
of consistent contributions to Kiwisaber is because since its inception,
governments have moved the goalpost good point more shortly eighteen
to two The.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
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Speaker 2 (20:33):
Actually, while we're on the subject to business, we should
mention Brisco's who came out yesterday their latest result twenty
six weeks to the end of July broadly flat, flatish
or thereabouts. Rod Duko noticed who we love. He said,
it's never been a tougher time to be in business.
But the problem with Rod is he always says that,
and he always said, oh, you know, I know we've
breaken another record, but we're cautious for the future. And

(20:53):
I'm thinking that, come on, Rod.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
And then there's another sale on at Brisco.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Exactly, you're a genius. We wore I think fifty tals. Yes,
the other day from Brisco's, you can't have too many towers,
can't have too many towers and face towers and face cloths.
Katie decided, rightly or wrongly, I don't make that judgment.
Obviously it's rightly. So anyway, she decided she was throwing
out all toils, all the flannels, and she went and
ordered some. And then there's g gainschein box arrived with

(21:19):
towersand flannels and I was then dispatched to the laundry
to wash them up and make them pluffake. So that
was my day.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Do you have a problem when you travel that often
there are no flannels in the hotel?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
I couldn't agree more. That's one of them. And you
don't know what is it you're doing. Do you think
there is a flannel and New Zealand thing, because sometimes
there's like one. Yeah, it's going to need more than one. No,
you are right. I don't know why we're not covering
the subject, Sam on the program later on. I mean
there's your lead story right there. I mean, how many
times you've gone to a decent hotel and you've got
there are no flannels? And then often you can ring

(21:50):
and go. Can I have some flannels please? And they
like you you've come in from Mars. Yeah, or or
they pretend they don't know what you're talking about. You mean,
face class. That's a very American thing. It's weird.

Speaker 13 (21:59):
Say I don't have time for this.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Scleen fourteen to.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Seven International Correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's a water sort for business. Joe, good morning, good
money mate, Poland business, just clue me in here because
maybe I've missed it. But the drones, were they deliberate?
And if they were deliberate, what was the point? Or
is there some suggestion that was What the hell's going on?

Speaker 14 (22:25):
That's a great question. I think most people assume that
they were deliberate. There's certainly a lot of concern across Europe,
as you can imagine people looking the leaders here, looking
for leadership from US President Donald Trump, who's been very ambiguous, just.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Tweeting here we go.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
But people here, including the Italian President Sergio Mantarella, is
very concerned that we're sliding into conflict. The Polish Prime
Minister you might have seen Donald Tusk, Tusk warning that
Poland is closest to open conflict for the first time
since World War Two, so there is a concern that
Russia is stepping it up a notch. And I think

(23:05):
the Polish are very concerned. One friend Tommy that people
are moving their money into foreign countries, buying property in
Spain and packing their bags.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I get all of that, but from this side of
the world, I just don't see it unfolding that way,
for the simple reason that Russia's barely been able to
grab anything of Ukraine. They don't have the resource, and
surely most of Europe understands that they don't have the
resource to go any further, do they or do they?

Speaker 14 (23:29):
Well, they seem to be making slight gains in Ukraine
that are causing concern across Europe. And whether these were
deliberate or just oh, we missed our target and we
went across the border, we don't know for sure. But
there were up to nineteen drones that were dropped on
Poland overnight. I think that number is really a source

(23:50):
of concern.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, Okay, what did Maloney have to say? Assume it?
She's like everybody else and condemned it.

Speaker 14 (23:56):
Yeah, the Prime Minister Georgie Maloney and the Deputy Prime
Minister Foreign Minister Antonio Otoiani condemned the attacks, expressing solidarity
with NATO. We're still seeing some rumblings in the far
right in terms of support for Putin and Russia, but
I think overall there is a pretty solid unity across

(24:16):
the coalition for the most part.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Now France and they are never ending rotation of prime ministers.
Does that roll out into the EU and are you
watching that with a great deal of interest?

Speaker 14 (24:26):
Yeah, I mean it's been front page news here in
Italy for the last forty eight hours, and the upheaval
was described by one newspaper as the last tango, expecting
the fall of the French government and fresh elections. I
think the Italians were looking a little bit smug, I
might say, talking about France's debt burden when Italy's is

(24:48):
much higher and Greece's is much higher. So they don't
want to get too smug in Italy, but they're certainly
concerned about the political and economic ramifications for the Italians.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
We got the immigration numbers here where we're growing, but
only just and a lot of people are still leaving
the country, and there's old Venice new record, Like what's
driving that?

Speaker 3 (25:05):
People?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
You're sick of Venice.

Speaker 14 (25:08):
Look, people want to stay in Venice. There's a really
strong movement among the residents to try and rebuild the community.
But they do feel that it's being dominated by a
big wealthy interest, you know, hospitality, tourism. The mayor is
under investigation for corruption and he is a businessman who
is promoting all sorts of property deals. They are struggling

(25:29):
to keep up with the rising rents and Airbnb, and
a lot of people just can't forward to live there anymore.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Jeez, all right, Joe, you go, well, we'll catch up
to appreciated it, Joe McK and, by the way, the
chair of Ferrari and stulentis he's going to do a
year's community service and pay millions of euros to settle
a dispute. This is over inheritance taxes. A guy called
Elkin in his siblings Lapo and Geneva. So mom dies
and they get a whole bunch of dollars, like a
tremendous number of those dollars. Morella, she died in twenty nineteen.

(25:59):
And it's I mean the problem, it's inheritance tax basically,
and the argument was they didn't pay any So he's agreed,
it's a deal. It's a plea deal. So he's going
to go and do some some community service. They're all
tired in with the if you follow this, the Nyelli family,
which are particularly famous family in Italy, tired and originally
with Fiat. I think from memory, so anyway, they've sorted

(26:20):
him out. Sam doesn't use face closs. I mean, the
show's being derailed right in front of my eyes. So,
I mean, Glenn Ray's is a very good point. We've
all gone to hotels and we've all wondered where the
face closs are. Sam then contributes by saying I don't
use face class. So obviously the very people who make
the decisions around face closts in hotels are the sort

(26:40):
of people that like Sam.

Speaker 10 (26:42):
So he's gone.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Then gone on to claim it's a generational divide.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
What a load of don't play the gen Z card
with me. Nine away from seven, the.

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Speaker 2 (26:55):
Developing News Charlie Kirk, who started to think, called turning
point USA. He's maga is to the right of mega.
He travels the country, you know, with the mega movement
type that he's at Utah University. Just been shot.

Speaker 8 (27:09):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Run So that's literally just moments ago. He apparently has
been shot in the neck. We don't know his status
at this current point in time, but we'll follow it closely. Obviously,
five minutes away from seven for.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
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Speaker 2 (27:31):
You'll talk. India currently in negotiations for the EU and
they're apparently very close to finalizing parts of this ft GA.
They start the latest round the meeting Saturday. Our time
word is sixty to sixty five percent of this is
in the can Bilateral trade between the two is worth
two undred and twenty six billion. It's doubled in the
last decade. I told you yesterday. Apparently, according to the Indians,
we are close for an FTA as well, to sign

(27:52):
off in the next couple of weeks. Anyway, this is
all against the backdrop of Trump, who's now lobbying the
EU to put one hundred percent tariffs on China and
India four buying Russian or oil. So he made that
demand yesterday during a meeting, said one of the best
ways to punish Putin. So currently the US put fifty
percent tariff on the Indian goods, which included a twenty
five percent hit for the transactions with Russia, and that
whole relationship between Mody and Trump has gone dramatically south,

(28:15):
although I note there are some comments this morning that
are trying to smooth that over. EU said it would
end it's independence on Russian energy by around nineteen percent
of their natural gas inputs still come from there. I
can't remember the day, is it twenty seven? It's either
twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty nine. They're going to
end it, but it's been far too slow, and the
whole business of selling oil to the world, I mean
to be fair to the Indians have been very open

(28:37):
about it, and they said, you know, we buy oil
at the best possible price and the best possible prices.
Of course, the Russians because they're trying to flick it
out as quickly as they possibly can. So anyway, the
pressures on. So maybe a trade deal with EU comes,
maybe it doesn't. Maybe one hundred percent tariffs go on,
maybe they don't. Maybe we sign an FTA with India.
Maybe we don't. The world is in a state of
very interesting, possibly worrying flux. Paul Goldsmith Bill of Rights

(29:01):
new rules around shoplifting. Basically, if they nab you, you
need to prove your innocent other than you know, as
opposed to the other way around. So there's Bill of
Rights implications there. Netball, New Zealand seem in a world
of pain at the moment, and speaking of sport, Andrew
Webster it is playoff time for the worrying as he's
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(29:21):
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Speaker 1 (29:22):
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Speaker 2 (29:33):
B only seven past seven. Bit of banks growing around
the Government's proposal for new shoplifting laws that you change
would shift the burden of proof onto suspects. In other words,
you are guilty until you prove yourself otherwise. This is
where the Bill of Rights Act comes in, of course.
Paul Goldsmith, Justice Minister with us. Good morning, Good morning Michael.
As regards the shoplifting, is this sort of the same
as proceeds of crime. In other words, you know, the
onus is now on you.

Speaker 15 (29:54):
Ah no, it's more akin to a traffic offense. So
you know you're speeding, you get a ticket. There's no
sort of debate about it really unless you've got a
reasonable excuse and you pay the fine. And the whole
purpose of it is to find to come up with
a quick and swift way to deal with shoplifting other

(30:15):
than the alternative, which is to go through the whole
court process.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Define a reasonable excuse.

Speaker 15 (30:21):
Ah well, I don't know. You're in the supermarket and
you're three year old stuck a banana in your handbag
and you didn't realize something like that.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Perhaps is that that's not reasonable. Banana shouldn't be in
your handbags And this is the problem, isn't it a
mean so.

Speaker 15 (30:35):
No, no, no, no no. I think that well, that
is the design that people sometimes do make genuine mistakes,
and that the legislation can be designed to deal with that.
But that the idea, though, is simply to come up
with something that is simple and swift.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
And when we come to the Bill of Rights, and
the angst around or so called angst around the Bill
of Rights is it true to say you can basically
do this. You are the government, you have the numbers,
and you can argue about the Bill of Right. Still
you blue in the face. This is going to happen.

Speaker 15 (31:04):
Yes, but we don't sort of just ignore the Bill
of Rights. Will design it in a way. We'll set
out to design it in a way that works effectively
within the Bill of Rights. And just as the speeding
of fine fine does as well. That's the basic sort
of process. I mean, we've got to remember, we've got
a real issue of retail crime. It's a big increasing
people going around stealing stuff. We've got to do something different.

(31:26):
Currently you've got to go off to court. That's a
very high threshold and doesn't happen enough. And so what
we're introducing is a swift and effective fine as an
intermediate step to deal with things so that there is
a real consequence for that level of shoplifting.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
As part of this the first respond to stuff. I
don't think anyone's going to disagree with the changes to that,
are they No?

Speaker 4 (31:46):
I don't think.

Speaker 15 (31:46):
So We've got a whole bunch of changes there to
make sure that the people that put themselves in harm's
way on behalf of society, especially looked after.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Do you see it as a deterrent or more a punishment?
Given as far as I can work, people who attack
first responders aren't in their right mind and therefore will
have to pay the price at the lad stage, as
opposed to them thinking it through before they do it.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well, it's a little bit of both.

Speaker 15 (32:09):
It does seem to signal and it filters out and
it makes it clear that we hold those people specially
in regard because they're putting themselves at risk.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Dot com. While I've got you, explain to me how
something that started in twenty twelve is still working its
way through the New Zealand court system.

Speaker 15 (32:26):
Well, look, it's a very long and slow process and
this individual case obviously goes through that process and it
has been very long, and that's as it is. That
for the future, you know, I will be looking at
the extradition rules because as you say, it's taken a
very long time.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Is justice being seen to be done or is justice
being seen to be manipulated?

Speaker 15 (32:48):
Well, well, you have to trust our justice system and
I trust our justice system.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Are you glad you won yesterday? And from that? How
much more is there to go.

Speaker 15 (32:57):
Do you think, well, yes, I'm obviously I'm pleased that
my decision was upheld. But from where there are potential
appeals to be had still.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yes, there are And if you haven't followed this with
the sort of detail many of us have, then I'll
work you through it in a couple of months. Justice
Minister Paul Goldsmith, I thank you for your time, as always,
eleven past seven. So the stets on migration in the
year to July, Nick Gain is down to thirteen one hundred.
July itself numbers were up fourteen thousand, which is eight
percent more than July of last year. So, like all

(33:30):
these things, it depends on how you read it. Marcus Beverage,
as the managing director and immigration lawyer at Quentity Lauren,
is back with us. Marcus morning, Hey, my hanging well,
I am. My great concern is that we get to
less than zero and we're a net exporter of people.
Do you see it getting down to that or are
we bottoming out here?

Speaker 16 (33:48):
We really need to sort of grab this and do
a bit of an engine reborn instead of tweaking around
the side. So I think half of the citizens leaving
New Zealand going to Ozzie weren't.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Born here and they have to remain here.

Speaker 16 (34:00):
New residents have to stay here for five years before
they become citizens of New Zealand then can jump across
the ditch.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
So that's one thing. We could extend that period.

Speaker 16 (34:09):
But we you know, when there's less people coming, less
work is less tax and take.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
It can turn into a bit of a vicious cycle.

Speaker 16 (34:16):
And you know a lot of the people leaving probably
are more to the right of politics, so it means
that the left sort of has a much better chance
of getting in power in the mad hatters and then
it becomes a Banana republic.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
He Marcus, you're just enterprising me. You're following the just
enter Price story in Australia bringing in the Indian voters
and they all vote labor.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
There you have it.

Speaker 16 (34:38):
Well, I think they're I think they're quite a malleable
sort of community and they flick to which episode works
for them at the time.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Having said that, as far as the people leaving versus
the people coming in, Peter's makes the speech over the weekend,
I thought was interesting. Thirty percent of people in this
country now weren't born here. Did you know that?

Speaker 16 (34:58):
No, I didn't know that for se But I've been
waiting for Winston to fire up for immigration because he
sort of sticks to his knitting, doesn't he.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yes, he does. But that's an interesting stat isn't that
We've seen? Have we not in the last handful of years,
a profound change in the makeup of this country population wise?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
We have?

Speaker 16 (35:15):
And and the thing is, if you look at someone
like Ronald Reagan and his speech to America about replenishing
and refreshing the stock of people coming through buying into
the American dream, New Zealand is still widely seen as
the land of milk and honey band. If we open
the door, we get a big influx of immigration that
the migrants have very small, short memories, So even if

(35:35):
we don't think we're doing that well, they still think
it's a wonderful country. So if we get the settings right,
we can actually kind of stimulate a lot of activity here.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So the key is in the setting. Is always good
to have you on the program. Marks Beveradge, Managing director
of Immigration lawyer at Queen City Law. This morning, fifteen
minutes past seven, Pasty John Charlie Kirk, there's no update
on his status they appear to have got the guy
who shot him, who's a white, bald male of I'm
guessing sixty five issue. It was at a university campus.
He was outdoors under a Tar Paul and large crowd

(36:06):
was speaking. Shot single shot rang out appears to have
hit him in the neck. The several videos out there,
most of which you don't want to watch. But he's
the founder of Turning Point. Turning Point goes back to
twenty twelve. He's part of the disinformation campaign on Biden
on COVID. He's one of those guys, but he is
close with the Trump's. Trump's already said, let's pray for

(36:28):
Charlie Kirk. So whether he's survived this is the key,
and whether they've got somebody, and what the motivation was
and where this goes politically is the other part of
the story.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
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speaking of sport, Nitball continues to write through quite the storm,
television rights players leaving for Australia, changes of rules around
eligibility now they've stood down. The national coach nol In
Taru is going to miss the Tiny jym Some series
against South Africa. Matt Winter, Ray of Courses, the chair
of the board, and he's back whether us Matt Morning Morning, Mike.
Is this Adrian or risk? Has she packed a massive

(37:08):
sad and you're threatening to soccer or how does this work?

Speaker 10 (37:14):
No, I don't seem parallels with Adrian, But so what's
what's happened here? As we've been having we've been having
some discussions with Dame Nolene and the Civil Frans management
team about how we how we make that high performance
environment the best one that we can because we want
that for our civil fans to be their best. We've
had some we've had some issues to resolve in there

(37:36):
that we haven't been able to get to resolution on
before the Tiny Jamerson series. So we've put in places
interim approach. We've brought an event accaudon jury as well
as Leona and THEODA as her assistant, both her experienced
coaches to make sure that we can support the players
in that immediate challenge of playing South Africa and while

(37:57):
we continue to see whether we can resolve these issues
so that's that's where we are. That's all we announce it.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, the issues are driven by the players or not.

Speaker 10 (38:07):
The issues are about making sure that everybody is performing
in a high performance environment. Everybody's in that, the Noline,
the Silver Frien's management, players, we want to have that
to be a really positive, high performing environment. And so
we've got some issues in there that we need to resolve.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Are they driven by the players? So the players packing
us said, because Nolan's too hard on.

Speaker 10 (38:27):
Them, I can't come in.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
The pause is all we needed. So the players don't
like Nolan. Nolan's going too hard and you're trying to
resolve that.

Speaker 10 (38:38):
Mike, No, Mike, that's not what I said. What I
said is we've got some we've got some issues that
we need to resolve. We haven't been able to resolve that.
When we do, if we are able to remain hopeful
we can, we will. But if we in the meantime,
we've got we've got to focus on the Silver Fans
series US against South Africa and so that's why we've

(38:58):
got a bit in Lehanner.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Are you confident you can solve it?

Speaker 10 (39:03):
I'm hopeful that we can solve it. Are you confident
will continue to work? I'm hopeful, mate.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Would you be surprised? I know, Noline, if what we
hear is right, she's not for turning. So is this
basically the end of the road. We just haven't announced it.

Speaker 10 (39:17):
Yet, but that's certainly not where we are. That's not
where we are at the moment. We continue to as
we've noted, we continue to work on these We're hopeful
that we can get to a resolution and we'll keep
doing that.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
All right. I wish you well with it. Matt Henray,
the chair of New Zealand Netball goes from bad to worst?
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the teachers, maybe maybe not accept their payoffers, maybe maybe
not go on strike yet again, you know what, I
can't help but worry about these new recruits. Now we're
busy celebrating them this week. Right, enrollments to become teachers

(40:55):
gone up markedly, big big increases. This seems, on the
surface anyway, to be in part a solution to a
long term problem, i e. Our permanent shortage in a
profession that's lost its luster. I'm not against migration to
solve issues, but there is a balance to be Striker
would have thought, and you'd like to think that the
profession is actually staffed by people who like what they do,
and not a pile of recent arrivals whose main criteria

(41:17):
for being in a New Zealand classroom was to be
in the country, not the job itself. So lots of
new recruits, good good, good good. But once out the
other side, what awaits them? And does it look like
the ongoing industrial mess that pervades our work landscape at
the moment? I mean, do these recruits know what they
will get paid, what their conditions are? Do they know
what actually teaching in a New Zealand classroom in twenty

(41:39):
twenty five entails and looks like because somewhere between the
enthusiasm of enrollment and the jaded misery of experience a
decade on something dramatically goes wrong. The money seems decent
to me, not spectacular, but decent, the same way it
seems decent now for nurses and doctors. It seems to
me we've got to a point where no small amount
of energy money and change has been put into education,

(42:01):
and between that and the pay it's not a bad deal. Yes,
it's challenging, of course, it has given kids in their issues.
Yes you would like more specialist teachers or non contact
time or whatever, but negotiations a quid pro quote. The
rises we have seen in recent years, the change currently
being implemented to turbocharge performance by way of results seems
to be setting us up for a decent sort of
system producing a decent sort of outcome. Is that the

(42:24):
unions that are wrecking this, I mean, are they really
the impediment? Do most teachers just want to get on
with it. We seem it a place where the public
support is most certainly not what it was for the
teacher's plight and might just be tipping against them, asking
do the truck mic, cue the truck Mike and the
clown cart. You could have driven the train twice through

(42:44):
that particular cause last time Matt was on the program,
Listen to this. Your domestic league looks weak at the moment,
doesn't quite have the fizz that it used to.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
It's got a lot of thays. This year we've had
great engagement, We've had bigger crowds, we've had more viewership
and everyone's.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Engaged with that, all right, So and then do we
have a truck? So the players packing a sad because
Nolan's too hard on them. I can comment, it's a
truck and a half. It's possibly two trucks. Is it
two trucks? Is it a truck and a clown car?
There's a gap there, there's a truck in something. So

(43:20):
the players packing a sad because Nolan's too hard on them.
It's a two car. It's a two car. Matt, I'm sorry.
I love Matt Winner eight. But he's defending. He's defending
the indefensible. Everything we're told is it's it's the hockey
guy all over again. It's Hagar part two two point zero,
a bit hard on the players, and the players going,

(43:44):
and then the next thing you know, suddenly Nolan's Noley.
The problem with Nolan, unlike Hagar, I don't want to
dismiss Hagars and his talents. Nolean's a legend. Nolan is
an irrefutable, dead set laid down the sea legend with
a record to back it up. And the day you're
standing down one of the great coaching talents of New
Zealand's sport because there are clearly a bunch of cry

(44:07):
babies in the team who don't want to go hard anymore.
There's something seriously wrong with the sport. And that's before
you get to all the other things that are seriously
wrong with netball up until this particular point in time.
More Sport with Andrew Webster after eight meantime, The.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
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Speaker 2 (44:32):
Be Mike, have a look at Harry's garage on YouTube
about two or three days ago. It's about Pete car
Clarkson's and it's very good already seen them and I
was going to raise it, and I may do, but
I've got a couple of other things to deal with,
one of which is Tukta Ferris, which I raised on
the program yesterday, not specifically him, but the more the
broader issue of Hipkin's got a front at some point

(44:53):
is that the sort of crazy you want in the government.
That's what he's got a front, That's what he's got.
What what job does Takertu Ferris have in the Ladder government,
a coalition of the Greens and the Merry Party. So
I got to deal with that, and I got to
deal with this unfolding story around Adriaan Orr. It's sort
of drip drip, drip, death by a thousand cuts. The
current thing is the relationship between Treasury, the warning from

(45:13):
Treasury to Nicola Willis, and whether Nikola Willis knew more
than she said, which she did, but her defense being
I couldn't say for protection purposes, and I'm not sure
whether she's right on that, but more than just a
couple of moments. Twenty two Toway, Webster Andrew after eight

(45:33):
The Warriors, of course. Meantime, back to this good news,
good news for travelers. Really Jetstar booster's business more flights
domestically and across the Tasman Steph Tully is the CEO
of jet Star, of course, and is whether Steph morning, Hey, Mike,
how are you very well? The fact you could get
two ministers out onto a windy, blowy old Wellington runway
shows you the politics of this sort of decision, doesn't
I mean, this is a political game flying people up

(45:55):
and down the country.

Speaker 12 (45:57):
Yeah, it was good timing that they were both in
and for our announcement yesterday, so it was they got
to stand in the tarmac and watch get south light Land,
which was very good.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
How do you pull the trigger on decisions like this?
How much of this, how much study goes into what's
happening in an economy and how bullish on that economy?
Are you that you would do what you've done.

Speaker 12 (46:19):
Yeah, We've obviously been in New Zealand for twenty years now,
sixteen years domestically, and I think what we've seen in
the last couple of years particularly is just we're really
grateful New Zealanders have given Jetstar ag so we've seen
some shift in preference for Jetstar. We've seen demand for
jet Star, So I think we study it closely and

(46:39):
we look at the opportunities to open your markets like
we yesterday and increase capacity on existing markets, which is
which is good for customers because it's more.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Choice in sort of related matters. In that sense, do
you think you've been missing market share or are you
looking to grow the market.

Speaker 12 (46:57):
Oh, look, I think we're just looking to provide Kiwis
a forecond option. I think you know they deserve a
second option, and jetstart gives you good lowfares option.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
We are.

Speaker 12 (47:07):
Operational performance has really improved over the last couple of years,
so we you know, in the last months we were
the best at on time performance and had the lowest cancelations,
yet we're fifty percent cheaper. So I think it's just,
you know, we're really committed to our own value proposition
and making sure that there's a second choice on many
of the routes in New Zealanders to choose. And I
think you know, there's opportunity for jets started to build

(47:30):
new demand, but also to shift share as well.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Okay, because the problem if you're not growing demand is
that someone's going to bleed here, aren't they. I mean,
at the end of the day, slicing the same pie
into smaller pieces never works.

Speaker 12 (47:41):
Well, yeah, we agree, and I think those opportunities to
still increase that demand. When you look at New Zealand's
tourism overall, we're still not back at pre COVID levels,
whereas other countries certainly are. So it's important that we're
all working together, airport's, government, airlines to make sure that
we are sating visitation to this country and providing an

(48:03):
environment where you know, there's there's people wanting to visit
New Zellain, if not once a year, multiple times a year.
So it's particularly Australian. So you know, we see our
role in that as a really important part of that system.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Good.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
The broader question for you, and this is this is
you're involved. It's not your fault. The reliability numbers that
came out from the Ministry of I can't remember whoever
does it. The reliability on the Tasman is shocking.

Speaker 12 (48:26):
Why Yeah, I mean, I think there's a number of
factors that going to reliability and I think you're committed
we do. It's a thousand things every day that make
in our unreliable. So we've got lots of people just
working hard to make sure we can we can do that.
International you generally have longer sort of turnaround times because

(48:47):
you've obviously got longer borders through processing times. But we're
committed to making that better mIRC as well as we
have done domestically as well, and that's the proof is
out there.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Good stuff. Nice to talk to you is alway Steff Tully,
who's the boss of Jitsta. Let me come back to Nikola,
will listen. Just a couple of Moments nineteen.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
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Speaker 2 (49:09):
It be Charlie Kirk. Still nothing in terms of whether
he survived this. The gunman who's in custody. By the way,
he was apparently two hundred yards away, which indicates a
fairly high powered piece of weaponry. Back to Takatay Ferris
or Takata Ferris. The problem is, if you've missed the
story he doubled down on social media, his look at

(49:33):
the video and just come to your own conclusions about
what sort of state he's in when he's doing it.
The whole things is weird, as the point being it
discredits the Murray Party. But most importantly, and I've been
trying to build this up as a story because this
is going to be one of the big talking points
next year, and that is who are labor going to
coalesce with? Who can they work with? Can they get

(49:53):
away with the Greens? Probably? Yes, the Greens are nutty, Yes,
there's some extremists in there, but they can probably coor
less reasonably comfortably, whether it be in a formal coalition
if they win the election. This is why I'm telling
you Labor is not going to win next year. This
is all part of my ongoing building block argument. They
will not win this next year because these guys in
the Maray Party don't for start, they don't even want

(50:13):
to be in government. They're not interested. And Ferris is
a classic example of that. They're all rogue. They're out
there telling people that there are journalists hiding in the
bushes filming them. I mean, they're all nuts. So anyway,
the problem with Ferris is he's going at the fact
that Maori seats are for Maori people only, and you
don't want your Asians or your black people campaigning in

(50:35):
Maori seats, and it's just it's all insanity. And Hipkins
has to explain that if they're going to be in
any way, shape or form associated with them, and the
problem is he can't. So therefore that's why he's not
going to win. Right back to willis so in a nutshell.
Here's the thing. So Rennie, the guy Rennie who's the

(50:55):
Secretary of the Treasury, this is all packs are sad
in a meeting or packs are sad. It's all about
the money for the bank. He wants a billion dollars
over five years, he's not going to get it. The
board looks like they're going to agree with the lower
figure with the government, which of course they have. Or
packs are massive sad. He storms out of a meeting
he's with Willis and Treasury and all that sort of stuff. Quickly,
the chair writes to Or and goes, mate, you can't

(51:18):
behave that way. What we didn't know until yesterday from
the text from Rennie to Willis was always about to
get sacked. That's new. So we thought always just packing sad,
and there was some sort of process in play, and
he was gonna go, look, it's not me. I can't
do it. I'm out. He was about to get sacked,
and the recommendation was potentially going to come to Willis

(51:41):
to make the recommendation. Now, Labor advocating quite heavily and
hard in the House that Willis is complicit in this
and she should have told us more. She says she shouldn't,
and she shouldn't have because this was an ongoing live
employment process and she didn't want to usurp or cause

(52:01):
any more trouble than was already unfolding in that. On
the surface, I think I agree with it. But the
difficulty with this story at this present point in time
is that each day passes with new information. So on
the surface, at the moment, I think she's in the
right because when they say to her, look, you may
have to we may recommend that this guy gets rolled

(52:21):
and you're gonna have to play a role in that.
That's all fine, there's nothing wrong with that. But you
don't then go blabbing that to the media for obvious reasons.
I would have thought. But if there's still more to come,
because Quigley's come out of this shockingly, Oor's come out
of this shockingly because the letter that Quigley wrote to
war Or goes Hey, as part of me leaving, can
you bin the letter so nobody sees what a prat
I am. And he agreed to that. And that's before

(52:44):
you get to the fact he got money. So they're
about to sack the guy, and they're writing him a check.
So these are the interesting parts. The fact they're about
to sack him is interesting in and of itself. What
labor will be trying to do as draws or join
some dots, because of course there is no doubt that
willis and Luxon and the government in general wanted or gone.
He should never have got a second appointment, and he

(53:06):
was appointed by Robertson in a very very underhand kind
of way in terms of he should have left it
for the next government to maybe maybe not employed, at
which point the government when it came to power would
not have employed him. So National got stuck with him.
They didn't like what he did, didn't like how he
handled the economy. So it's not like they didn't, you know,
weren't glad to see him go. But so this is

(53:29):
where the Willis thing comes in, And if you're a conspiratorialist,
this is where Barbara Edmonds comes in and goes, oh,
look look the look at the text. And that's what
they're trying to prosecute at the moment. So at this
point Willis is clean. But as I say, I mean,
who the hell knows what's coming out in the next
few days. But what a mess, I mean, what an
embarrassment for one of the most influential institutions in this country,

(53:51):
an institution that affects every single one of us each
single day. Turn away from it.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
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Speaker 2 (54:03):
Shiving away from It. The James Dyson Awards celebrate our
best young inventors and University of Canterby engineering student Mark
Campbell's won it for his adaptive glasses. Now, these are
smart LCD lenses that detect harmful light patterns instantly darken
and that provides protection for people with epilepsy and Mark
as well, a smart.

Speaker 11 (54:20):
Morning to you, Hey, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Not at all. Does it work with migraines as well?

Speaker 17 (54:26):
Yes, so it's designed for people with photo sensitive epilepsy
as well as photophobia.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Fantastic and it works. It works every time. It's bulletproof,
it's doable.

Speaker 17 (54:36):
Yes, well, we're still in the early stages of developing
the prototypes. But I'm working to greig down on it
and I will develop it so that it's it's as
bulletproof as possible.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So what did you have to explain to the judges?
Is it the idea or is it the actual You know,
to what stage do you have to present judges a product?

Speaker 17 (54:55):
So with the James Dyson Award, you can submit ideas
and later products in the latest stages. But I've developed
a prototype, so I submitted a prototype that that was
developed so that it was actually functional.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Do they what do they look like currently and does
it mean they have to look that way forever or
could they be manufactured in a style of any glass
you want. It's the lens that's the key.

Speaker 17 (55:23):
So it's currently in a three D printed produce three
D printed casing, so it's still in the pretty early stages,
so it's not the prettiest, but it was the main
goal with that prototype was just still something that was functional,
So laid it down the line and we'll look at
that pretty aer with maybe injection molded parts. But at
the moment it's not the prettiest, but it does.

Speaker 12 (55:44):
Do the track right.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
How cutting edge is the.

Speaker 17 (55:47):
Tech so current there are currently no products that are
like this, so it's pretty new to this industry.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Well, and you got the idea of them from where.

Speaker 17 (56:00):
So I originally got the idea from automatic darkening welding masks,
which are similar in the way that they protect welders
from blinding sparks, but I applied it to a different
industry and the area of photosensitive epilepsy and photophobia.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
How much time, energy and money has gone into this.

Speaker 17 (56:20):
A lot of times, so I've started this project about
a year and a half ago and there's just been
a city stream of working to develop it, to get
it to the most to the most robust stage that
I'm at now where it can actively detect slashes and
safely darken.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Wow, have you got you got patents on it?

Speaker 11 (56:42):
Yes?

Speaker 17 (56:43):
So before entering the James Dyson Award, I was working
to develop a provisional patient which has been filed.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Now brilliant, So this is scalable. Do you think commercially?

Speaker 17 (56:54):
I think so. The next steps that are kind of
just to develop the prototype and make it as robust
and unobtrusive as possible. But once that is done, I
think there would be potential and to commercialize it.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And what's the time frame you reckon?

Speaker 17 (57:12):
It's hard to know. I think that once medical testing
is done and it's validated, I think it can. It
might only be a year after then that it could
be starting to get into people's hands.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
That's brilliant. When do you graduate?

Speaker 17 (57:28):
I graduate in two years, so I am in my
first year of university.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
And you'll do what?

Speaker 17 (57:34):
So I'm currently doing a bachelor's of Product design, but
I am unsure as to what I will do after university.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
I think you'll be okay, Mark, something tells me you'll
you'll go. Well, go on your make Congratulations on it,
well done, Mark Campbell, who's the James Dyson Award winner?
And god, we found a really bright, astute, alert, successful
young New Zealander. Excellent Mike. When it comes to election outcomes,

(58:02):
what of Labor rolled Chippy? And then we must never
forget the king maker winn Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't run
that pun, It's not happening. Winston said under Hepkins, he's
not going to be going with Labor. So everyone is
adding two and two and coming up with eighteen. They
are not rolling Hepkins. Luxon and Hepkins will both lead
their respective parties to the election campaign of twenty twenty six.

(58:23):
That is what makes the whole equation so simple, because
Labor can't get there unless they have the Maori Party
and all the Greens. And that's the problem. Andrew Webster,
what's he going to do this weekend? What he's going
to win this weekend, of course, but how's he going
to do it? Andrew Webster is.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
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Speaker 2 (58:49):
Right, Oh, seven past eight Finals time for the Warriors.
We finished six, We face the Panthers, we lose. The
season that's over upside, the game is at home. Andrew
Webster's back with us. Good morning, morning mate. Your satisfaction levels.
Let's do a one to ten.

Speaker 17 (59:04):
Ten.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
You couldn't be happier one year. Depressed your satisfaction levels
with where we're at as of now and how we got.

Speaker 7 (59:10):
Here, I'd say a seven seven and be a bit
of context to it. I think it started you. We
would have taken been in the top six and having
a crack at finals. But I don't think where anyone's
very happy with the back end of best season. We
could have played a lot better, certainly been circumstances, but

(59:33):
yeah we're in control of that and probably not playing
our best footy. But new competition starts now.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Okay, injuries and listens from the injuries? Are we and
you you would be across the NRL better than I am.
Are we any more badly injured than any other top team?
Or are we unlucky? What's happened there?

Speaker 7 (59:53):
Well, I'd say we've had like big injuries. We've had
ACL injuries which men season ending for long periods of time.
So but I think if you looked at say the
Melmourne Storm, what they're going through right this second, the
Dermees Hues, he's now gone for the season. They're probably

(01:00:14):
going through a bit of pain right now. But as
far as losing your origin front rower for the season
with an ACL and you're your number one half back
at the time that met that, they're they're pretty big blows.
But I'd say we've got very good depth and it's
allowed us to play a lot of young players and

(01:00:34):
bring them along for the future as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Right was that ideal in the sense that several part
questions the injuries that come of it. Is there something
that can be done about that, you know, fitness preparation, whatever,
or is that just bad luck? And in bringing young
players through, is that is that a positive choice or
a choice made because you have to.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Un bit of bud like we've had. We've had options
for some more senior players to take people's and we're
elected to go with the future. So that's something we're
much rather than mitchepartment on the field as round. Are
we in bad luck as a bad luck poor management?
It's bad luck, particularly these days to health. There are

(01:01:16):
certain things you can do around a field prevention, but
if you look at the mechanics of those two injuries
the way they happened, they're just they're just extremely unfortunate
and put in a really unfortunate situation at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
What do you think? What was you thinking for a
better part of the season, the four where we sat
in the top four and we were there for a
sustained period of time. What were you thinking during that
period that we were better than we deserve to be,
that this is about where we should be, and therefore
you now disappointed? What was you thinking?

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
Then, Well, we're there so long, so I thought different
things at different times, like a week in rugby leagues
a long time. But remember we were top four, We've
got one of the buyers who played the Sharks extremely dominant.
We just lot lost Mitz Barnett actually, and we're extremely
dominant even though he wasn't playing. I thought, you know,
we're a real good squatty where we're tracking while we're

(01:02:12):
playing and sole football we want to play. And then
obviously he asked me two weeks ago were still in
the fall and I was like, we're not actually playing
at this football here. We don't look and resemble what
we did when we played the Sharks. But I'm one
of those guys that timing everything and if we play

(01:02:34):
our best best football for the next four weeks, we
could all be very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Well, let's hope. So listen, hold on a couple of
moments because after the flour, of course we fell out
of the four, so we need to diggle with that.
More from Andrew Webster in just a couple of moments
eleven past eight.

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Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Talks it Be News Talks every fourteen past eight. Finals
time for the Warriors this weekend. Andrew Webster's with us, right,
So top four. We talked about put this into con
text if you can. What happened from the fall out
of the top four and and and you know, so
the last handful of games, what was the problem. Is
it just injuries or something else?

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
No? No, injuries. Yeah, Like I'm happy to always put
our journey into context with injuries, but I'm not happy
to use as an excuse. That's for sure. No injuries
aren't seen. I mean, concentration level has been a big
one for us, and that sounds like, well, why they're concentrating,
But we just we just had really big moments. For

(01:03:32):
a given example, we played Paramatter well twelve, all doubt,
and they just scored real long range tries. When we
looked to score, they were like, they're like big momentum
swings and viral parts of the game, and that's kind
of what's kill on. So we completely dominant, not dominated
field position, get to Paramatter and but yet we're down

(01:03:54):
by twelve points. So just moments like that, mainly on
a weekend, we've gone from the best completion team the
competition to one of the worst. It's something we can
completely fix and it's in our control.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
And do you feel you can fix it by this weekend?

Speaker 7 (01:04:10):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean I'd be a poor coach
if I didn't believe it. And I may as well
tell the players don't go out there this week, Let's
go on a holiday. Now we're motivated. Were glob in itself?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
What's the scenario or your explanation behind Well, one of
my sort of observations, I mean, see everyone's observation. The Bulldogs,
the Storm, the Raiders. So we're sitting in the four
and they're the other three. We play them. We couldn't
beat them. We couldn't beat the sides we needed in
some way, shape or form to eventually need to beat.
What was the issue there or what is the issue there?

Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
Well, each one of them is different circumstances at different moments,
I'd say, But yeah, like I can't hide the fact
that we've beat us all three times. I can't Raiders
beat us twice. I thought we were really good against
the Raiders at home in the solid way at the end,
and they beat us. But I felt like a little

(01:05:09):
bit different to the Las Vegas experience. Round one. I
thought we were a lot better. We're up for the fight,
we knew what we were doing. I thought we'd come
a long way at that point. But yeah, we got
done by the Bulldogs in the pouring rain. Round five
against Melbourne. They are absolutely conscious in the faith, So

(01:05:31):
I did set believe those four games against those three
teams have been great lessons for us. So you're right.
The only top four team we knocked off of Coronola,
and that's where they were in the top four at
the time, they're not there. They're obviously sick. Yeah, that's
probably the only occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
The observation for many was that, yes, we're in the four,
but the dogs are storming the raiders. They were in
a league of their own, and somehow it was it
was a different competition. Is that fair or not?

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
I don't believe so. No, I don't believe so. But
as a result we fell out of the eight, so
out of the four, so you could say that those
people were correct. I'm like, it's a good question, but
a question that I'm not going to put too much
energy into because I really have to care about them now.
But if we're going to dig into our season and

(01:06:24):
am I commenting on where people right in insight, they
probably work because we don't come, we don't make the
top four. But I just want to be judged on
where we are now and what's about to happen ahead
of us, because I think everyone would love a ticket
to the finals, and the eight teams get one and
we're top six get a home final. So I just

(01:06:48):
want to be judged on how we are now. If
I like care.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
About are you talking to the side when it comes
to playoffs now, so do you talk to them differently
because it's the Panthers or is it just a playoff
game no matter who it is.

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
No, we just take into consideration to the opponents every week,
like their strengths, that weakness is what we're good at.
Like we're not putting them on a pedestal. We respect them.
So we're not beating before we get to the start
line because we think they're better than it. Our whole
thing is, does no matter who we play, let's not

(01:07:24):
beat ourselves. Let's play our best football and let's see
where it takes it as opposed to not playing our football.
And then everyone tells that Panthers are better than you.
We don't want that leads if they're better than this
after this eighty minutes and we've played our best football,
and I think we can all live with that during
our break and we've got to come back and improve.

(01:07:45):
But I just believe that we can play our best football.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
And I know you don't want to contemplate it. Nobody does.
But say the Panthers do win and they go on
to win the whole thing, where does that put them
new reckon given where they were or a chunk of
the season at the back of the field, the reigning
champions who were nowhere and came back to win it
all again. I mean, that's that's surely one of the
great stories.

Speaker 7 (01:08:09):
I think. Yeah, I don't even really want to contemplate
that because that means they beat it. But I manifest victory,
so they don't manifest lost. But I will repeat this.
They're a great thing. Got a lot of respect for them.
I think each year they've had a different journey on

(01:08:31):
how they've achieved things. They've got to lose one day,
you know. I don't know when that's going to be,
but hopefully it's just this Saturday night, and that's a
line manifesting right now.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Is a victory fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I thought Fisher Harris's comments were interesting that he likes
the fact that no one across the Tasman backs you.
Do you share in that view?

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's great.
There's no pressure on our side. Like, if I'm being honest,
I think our fans love us and respect this, care
about us. We've got their backing. But over there they
they just think we're making up the numbers. And I
think it makes for a great story when we prove

(01:09:11):
them wrong, but it doesn't motivate me like I just
only the only the reason why I turned up to
be a coach is to give all the fans what
they've been craving for so long and to make sure
our players can fill their drink. So if we can
do that, that's my motivation and they'd be the best
day of Then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Well, it's a home crowd. I'm assume it's going to
be sold out, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:35):
Well it was when I left yesterday. It was on
that path and I haven't had any official official notification,
but I'd say it definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Good on you. Well, we wish you all the best
as always, fabulous to catch up with you. Go well
this weekend.

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
Yes, that might thank you.

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Whereby Mike really positive tone therefore is lasting to be
as the Warriors coach. Give him credit. Mike, I believe
he's a great coach. He's been hit with some eyewatering
injuries to his team this year. Yeah, big, I thought
that was a good explanation. They're big injuries. I mean
there's injuries and injuries. Great interview with Andrew Webs, a
great overview of the season and the finals ahead, honest
and insightful. I agree. Michah texted last week and said,

(01:11:19):
why on earth are you confident we've beat the seig
Also naturally armis cynic, but I've got a weird feeling
we haven't fired our last shot and we're going to
come up with something special against the Panthers. Well, let's hope. So,
Mike just got off the phone from my daughter, who
was in her third year of teaching product design. She
taught the young man that we had on the program
just before eight o'clock this morning, Mark Campbell, and is

(01:11:40):
absolutely buzzing for a success. She's been updating me on
this for a couple of years now. Prior to his
current project, he created and successfully tested an autonomous Mars
robolike vehicle. Your assessment on him is absolutely spot on.
If he keeps tracking like he is, he will be
a great New Zealander. He has certainly inspired my daughter
and validated her choice to moving to teaching. Isn't that good?

(01:12:00):
Very uplifting? Back to Harry's Garage. Yeah, I cannot recommend
this enough. Have a look at Harry's Garrett. Harry metcalf
is a legend of the motoring industry. British guy has
a channel called Harry's Garage and he started EVO magazine.
If you're into cars, EVO magazine's famous. And Harry does
his YouTube and he puts that cat. Anyway, he's just
down the road from Clarkson. They got a couple of farms,

(01:12:21):
and they've got farms sort of next door to each other,
and they sat down the other day in this video
as well worth watching. So it's basically just a couple
of old farts talking about cars. In fact, Clarkson at
one point says, I realized I sound like an old fart.
But they were talking about peak cars. They both drive jags,
by the way, Clarkson's got an F type and Harry's
got what's called a project date which look at that,
that's a brilliant car. Anyway, they're talking about Pete Carro

(01:12:43):
and they reckon peak car was about twenty fifteen, ten
years ago, and in ten years ago your car. It
had everything you needed, had the air con, had the abs,
had plenty of power, It was reliable, it was comfortable,
it was fantastic. And most cars since then have not
added to the sum total of anything. They've just become
sort of rolling computer boxes. But it's a very entertaining,

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very interesting insight in the car is well worth watching.

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If not, what's the brand, Well it's not not. You
want lint, Kathy, because that's the sign of a quality
of towel. You soften them up, that's all. So do
you do you dryer or clothedline? What do you think, Linn,

(01:13:42):
I don't have a clothesline.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
I'm just putting that out there to stir people up.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I knew what was clothes dryer? Is Is that a
lot of people and matters conspired against us this morning.
But a lot of people said you should travel with
your flannels.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Well, we started doing that because you just can't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
You can't depend on there being any flannels in it
anywhere you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
It's the weirdest thing, isn't it to have to pack
to travel with flannels? But then you have a wet flannel?
What do you do with it? I mean, then you're stuck,
aren't you. So you're on holiday, So then you've got
to have a ziploc bag. So because I run the
one flannel per go and then wash the flannel, and
the thought of having a wet flannel about the place

(01:14:24):
is more than I can bear, So I don't think
I would travel.

Speaker 3 (01:14:28):
That's why you need fifty of them. Yeah, we travel flannels.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Obviously. It's such a fascinating Did you just take a
roll with you. I've just been telling the boss I
need a couple of things. I need more of me
on the program. That sounds a little bit arrogant, but
it's not the way I mean it. And or I
need a longer show because it's that sort of area
suddenly you develop and I don't have time for this
twenty two minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
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Stop complaining you're lucky to have it job and I
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Speaker 11 (01:15:07):
Rob morning mate, Good morning to you mate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Reading a very entertaining piece the other day from Chris
Mason out of the BBC, who talks about the cacophony
of noise coming out in the Labor Party at the
moment over the deputy leadership of that party, Emily Thornbury.
He cites she served in Sakiah Starmer's shadow cabinet before
the general election, expected to be offered a candidet job.
The job never came. Now she's running his deputy. It's

(01:15:30):
a storyline with a certain soap opera appeal, he writes.
He's not wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
Yes, it's all from the annals of the soap opera.
Emily Thornbury particularly who bears a grudge is from the
far left of the party, or at least the left
of the party are reserved far left for a couple
of the other candidates, and who she's the one who
takes offense when she sees a Union jack or a

(01:15:57):
cross of Saint George. But she's standing for deputy leader.
I don't think she'll get it, but she does have
some support on the left of the party. Basically, what's
happened is we have this massive contest, this beauty contest,
in which all six of the candidates are strong independent women,
as you would imagine exactly at the time when kar

(01:16:18):
Starmer could at least do with it. It's a distraction
and as David Blunkett, the former Home Secretary under Tony Blair,
said today, they should postpone it basically, but no, the
activists will have their say and Sir Keir Starmer will
end up being saddled with someone who he really really
doesn't want as a deputy leader.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
How does the actual process work, I mean, so does
the party membership vote? How many of them are there
is a first past the post as at first of
fifty percent, what.

Speaker 11 (01:16:50):
Happens it's kind of an agglomeration of first part of
the post and proportional representation in which you know certain candidates,
probably not including Emily Thorn, but she'll get through to
the last few will be knocked out as this goes along.
But basically, basically it's down to the activists. They have

(01:17:13):
the casting vote, so that it will almost certainly be
someone from the left of the party. The very best
the severe Starmer can hope for is that it's the
current Education Secretary who is kind of on the left
of the party, Bridget Phillipson, but who at least has

(01:17:35):
a small sintillar of common sense running through her policies.
Other than that, there are candidates who wish for Britain
to give over all of its wealth to Africa to
make reparations for slavery and so on, and people who
thought there shouldn't be an inquiry into grooming gangs, which

(01:17:56):
we've had in this country because it upsets the Asian community.
So there are bad people who could get this job,
and Sakir Starmer is very well aware of that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
That sounds like the ghost of Jeremy Corbyn. It's like
the bad old days of Labor.

Speaker 11 (01:18:10):
Yes, yes, no, it's back to the bad old days.
And the fortunate thing for Starmer is that, of course
he doesn't have to have the deputy leader of the
Labor Party also being the Deputy Prime Minister. There is
no reason why that should happen. But you know, he's
got a parliamentary Labor Party which is in revolt over

(01:18:31):
a whole bunch of issues, particularly including welfare payments, and
he's got activists who are in revolt, and he's at
the lowest point in the polls that he's ever been.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I was reading the other day guy called Stuart rise
who's the former M and ACE boss. He said, Starmer
and Reeves have taken Britain to the edge of a crisis.
Is he right?

Speaker 11 (01:18:48):
Yes, exactly right. I think we're possibly slightly less of
a parlous crisis than the French are, but it's only
a matter of a couple of degrees. And if there
isn't serious cuts made to the to our incredible expanding
welfare budget, as well as a hold put on the

(01:19:11):
number of people coming into the country who aren't contributing
to the economy, we are in very, very grave danger
of needing to go to the ins, which of course
we've asked it in about nineteen seventy six with Dennisee
the the Marches.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
I mean, question one is everybody in Britain, apart from
the people on the march thoroughly sick of marches in
two Is it about actually achieving anything or is this
really just about activism?

Speaker 11 (01:19:37):
Oh, it's pointless. I'm sure there are marches. I've been
in London for a week and there are marches every
day and protests every day. This is an interesting one
in that it's got the name of Tommy Robinson associated
with it, but it's also more straightforwardly just about we

(01:20:00):
believe in the right to wave our flag, waves sent
George's flag. I was told that a million people might
be expected on it. If the figures are anywhere in
that region, then it really is a sign that, you know,
something has snapped within kind of ordinary people in this
country and they're sick of the way in which the

(01:20:21):
flag is looked down on, freedom, speet, been limited, et cetera.
If it's only one hundred thousand, which is still quite
a lot, then maybe it will make no difference whatsoever.
But if they go anywhere there are a million, that
really is a big, a big message to the government.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
All right, I appreciate it very much. Rod Little out
of Britons one just quickly Starmers met the Israeli president,
which would have an interesting desize. I heard sog So
we don't know how that winks. Greg Wallace is suing
the BBC, which is probably not surprising. What we also
know is that Harry had fifty five minutes with us dead.

(01:20:59):
Is that unusual? Fifty five minutes unusual and you haven't
seen somebody for a year and a half. Fifty five
minutes seems sort of odd, doesn't it. I know I'm
coming to that. Sixteen minutes away from nine.

Speaker 4 (01:21:16):
This is a newstalk sa'd be developing story.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
The President, Donald Trump says, Charlie Kirk has died. So
that's from the shooting about an hour ago. This is
the Utah University. If you just joined us, you didn't
catch up. At the time, Kirk was giving one of
his dissertations. This is where he comes from, of course,
the university campuses of America. He was under a Tar
Paul and the format of the day, basically, it was
a Sunday day in Utah. It was outdoors. He is
in front of thousands of people and he was running

(01:21:41):
a basically a Q and A said have a microphone
challenge me, let's debate stuff. At that point, a shot,
singular shot rang out from what appears to be a
high powered rifle and as we now know, there's a
man in custody mid sixties, I guess bald white. It
seemed a high powered rifle. Was a single shot into
the neck, and at that point we were waiting. He
was in critically taken obviously to the hospital and he

(01:22:04):
was in critical condition. But Trump is now claiming Charlie
Kirk is dead. Fourteen to two, the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Mike USTv is reporting the shooter still on the run.
Some are, some aren't. I will come to that in
just a couple of moments, very quickly. I alluded to
this and just to wrap it up, Kim dot Com.
The sad thing about Kim dot Com is US New
Zealand because it's the Americans who want him, and they
want him on copyright infringement, money laundering, and wire fraud.

(01:22:39):
This is not new if you followed the story, but
it all began in twenty twelve when the United States
decided they might want a word with them now they
wanted a word with him. Our dumb luck was he
just happened to lob into New Zealand, so we've got
really no association with the case other than he decided
we would be quite a good place to live. He
bought a big house north of Auckland these days in

(01:23:00):
central Otago, and the rest, as they say, is history.
So it's not really a New Zealand story. But we
unfortunately got caught up on this. But what really the
great learning out of all of this, given it started
in twenty twelve, and according to his lawyer there's more
weathers came from, is that there's something really wrong with
our justice system. If something can start in twenty twelve

(01:23:24):
and thirteen years later still be going with more to come,
and how long that goes, I don't know. On something
as simple as a country wants a word with you,
please we need to extradite you, versus the client going,
I don't want to go. If it takes thirteen years
and counting to just work through a matter as simple

(01:23:44):
as that, then there's really something So if for no
other reason, we've learned that our justice system has been
tested beyond its capacity and there's something wrong there, But
you don't you wish he picked somewhere else he could.
It was in Hong Kong, and he could have picked anywhere,
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I love the ones that we can get the little
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Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
So this morning, six fifty our time, Charlie Kirk was
killed at Utah VLA University.

Speaker 15 (01:25:40):
Oh my god, got.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Run a shot in the neck. Bloke. Shooter was apparently
in a building a couple of hundred yards away. The
person was four rows. This person was four rows from
Kirk when it happened.

Speaker 18 (01:25:52):
I mean you were sent to the interview and four
people in front of us. We just but here's a gunshot,
and then you see trying to whimp. His neck kind
of turned and we fell blood immediately. Both of our
perspectives were that he was shot in the neck to
be perfectly want like Felix, so much blood came out

(01:26:14):
of his neck immediately, and then we all took to
the ground. And can't tell you as what happened immediately after.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Right one of the videos doing the rounds, White bowled
Mile in his sixties. Probably he's arrested. He's repeatedly saying
I had the right to remain silent. Fox were doing
live vox pops outside the campus. That's it was dangerous
because you can come across people like this.

Speaker 8 (01:26:34):
I turner look and they were arresting a guy by
the name of George Zim. Yeah, I know the guy.
I don't think he did it. I think they arrested
the wrong guy. I think whoever did it was a
good shooter, a sharp shooter. It was runch shot right
directly to the heart. And we need to find out
who did this. Who could be there and pull that
trigger into it. And I don't think it was George
sim He was poor, broke he maybe was on medication,

(01:26:56):
a little bit looney boon, maybe a perfect person to
pick and say that, But I don't think he did
it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I can't say they're not articulate, Utah said just twenty
minutes and the last twe you men saying stay off
campus because the suspect is not yet in custody. Police
are still investigating. Trump broke the news. He said, the
great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No one
understood or had the heart of the youth in the
United States of America better than Charlie, who was loved
and admired by all, especially me. And now he's no

(01:27:23):
longer with us. Millennia and my sympathies go out to
his beautiful wife, Erica and family. Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
So that has been one the breaking news of the
morning and to yet again an insight into all that's
wrong with America. And so we will leave you with
that coverage throughout the day, obviously, and we'll be back
at six tomorrow morning. As always, Happy Days, person

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
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