Full Show Podcast: 15 September 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the mic Hosking
Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate covering all your real estate
needs news togs Head been well me Welcome today.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Seventy million per events, What exactly does that buy? A
new economic scorecard for you this morning. We've got a
new number one region and we found confidence in life.
Let me tell you that enough. And Sir John Kerw
and Christopher Lux and the lads in the commentary box,
they're all here. Richard Arnold in America and Dennis Shanahan
does Australia for US OSCAR one New Week. Welcome to it.
Seven past six. So that's it for twenty twenty five.

(00:31):
Thanks for coming. Got to the playoffs. Fell at the
first hurdle. To be fair, I was late for the
All Blacks given things at half time were not what
they were at the end of the game. But we
never looked like we were going to win, did we.
I mean Beyonce, we got two points early, but although
that was technically a lead, at no point did you think,
I'll tell you what we're going to go on with this?
The try we did score I thought was awesome, but
we needed much more where that came from, and it

(00:53):
never looked like that was going to happen. Penrith look
like the champions they are after a while they did
what great sides do, basically step up and finish us off.
Every time they had the ball. They looked a little
bit quicker, a little bit more expansive in their thinking. Clearly,
if he isn't the game's best player, who's certainly right
up there, under different circumstances, they would have been a
threat all season if you think about it, and I

(01:13):
mean the fact they started this is Penrith, the fact
they started the way they did and edding it up
in the hole they did, that's inexplicable. But if you
want any sort of consolation, can it come from the
potential that they will now go on and defend yet
again another title? Is there? I don't know comfort in
watching a side break records, given that if they win,

(01:34):
no champion side has come from last the following season
to go on and repeat that victory. The lesson the
season is there's clearly a handful of sides that are
quite obviously better than us, the Raiders, the Storm, the
Bulldogs of Panthers. Would it have been different? If Metcalf
and Barnett hadn't been lost, you know what, I don't think.
So the trip now is to materially improve the side

(01:55):
we had by historic measures. If you want a bit
of something upbeat a good seat, I mean a better
season than most. For virtually the whole season, there was
little or any doubt we were going to go to
the playoffs. Historically it's rare to be able to say that.
So we were there or thereabouts. But once we played
and lost to every one of those top sides, once
that fact was indisputable that we couldn't basically beat the

(02:17):
best sides, that was the season, wasn't it. So what
happened Saturday was always going to happen. The league is
too good, too tight these days for boilovers. Great sides
don't lose when it counts. That's why they are great.
The Panthers might be the greatest of them all. Let's see.
But for us maybe next year.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
News of the World in ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Britain seems the center of the action they now claim
as meeting as one hundred and fifty thousand tended out
for that big rally. The Business Secretary Peter Kyle, he
was rolled out for the government to defend their corner.
He wasn't just defending the Robinson protest, but also the
Mendelsohn mess.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
You are trying to get a talent which is singular,
to put to the bear on behalf of our country,
which has been proven to be delivering for our country.
These are decisions that the primes to make. We knew
that there were risks involved, and also his talent led
us to believe at the time that the risk was
worth it.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Travelers, the more they look, the more they find.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Epstein was a monster, and it is inexplicable that he
had this relationship continuing with him after the first conviction.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
He's a former ambassador to the States bout the way,
so he would know. The Tories, of course need no one.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
By appointing the best pal of a known convicted pedophile
as US ambassador. The prime authority is completely shot and
there are questions that he now.

Speaker 7 (03:33):
Has to answer it.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Indeed, he's got real trouble as impeason. His own party
actually now start to openly questions credibility. And that's before
we get to the vote for the deputy leader.

Speaker 8 (03:42):
He is Bridget Today, I pledge to continue Angela ray
INA's campaigning rule as deputy leader, continuing her mission to
give members a strong voice at that cabinet table, her
ruthless focus on getting our candidates elected and re elected.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
So it will be Bridget Phillipson against Lucy Power that
will be sorted next month. And then the death of
Ricky Hatton.

Speaker 9 (04:03):
You think back to some of those beat that as well.
He wasn't successful in them against Floyd Mayweth Junior in
two thousand and eight and many Pakiow two thousand and
nine as well. That fight, there were really big moments
in British bots.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
He was forty six, retired at the age of twenty four,
if you can believe it, started selling solar panels. Quick
word on the war. Poland's now closed the border with
Belarus's Belarus warm up a few of their weapons and
called the exercises. We are doing this for the safety
of our citizens. Russia has been behaving aggressively towards Poland
in the recent days, and for many years has been
behaving aggressively towards the entire civilized world. Finally impressed by opium,

(04:41):
I'm pretty sure on the seventeen years of this program.
I've never used that word before. Anyway. It's where you
struggle to see things up close and search as though
are in Argentina. They've done studying this last for a
couple of years. I reckon I drops of the answer.
If you take an eydrops two three times a day,
your vision improves and you'll be able to read three
or more of those lines on the Jaga chat. You
know when you go to the doctor and you stand

(05:02):
outside the door and you club one of those anyway,
aft use of the world of the name. India's inflation,
what can I tell you? It's up a little bit.
It's not bad. Two point oh seven four August, vegetables,
meat and oil. The Central Bank's got a weird band.
We do zero to three, of course they do two
to six. But anyway, at two percent, they'll take that.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
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Speaker 3 (05:27):
How if my news talk.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Sippy actually speaking of starma? They could be headed for
a winter of discontent. The economy is stagnated in July, a
zero point four percent expansion in June, so they've got
worries on the budget which is coming up November. Twenty six.
Of course, it was in line with expectations. Production down
zero point nine, which is a lot better than expected

(05:51):
in the second quarter at zero point three zero point seven,
and the first they reckon it's going to fall apart
for the rest of twenty twenty five fifteen past six,
general like reagion of good morning to you morning, as
you might speaking of slipping back. We did two manufacturing.
I thought we're on the rise, but not then what
happened there?

Speaker 10 (06:11):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 11 (06:12):
We did actually say about a month ago that it
might be a little bit premature to pop those champagne corks,
and yeah, so it's proved. So the Benz Performance of
Manufacturing indexcept move from expansiony fifty two point eight to
a contractory forty nine point nine in August, So manufacturers
still look to be doing it tough. For THEO preps,
you can spin it a little positively, and let's do
that after those sporting results, maybe the three month average

(06:34):
for the buyer that edged up to fifty point six,
so you could say that's an encouraging trend. New orders
are in pretty good shape, Hiast said one three years
fifty five point two, their third consecutive expansion mode, and
the gap to invatries is the biggest since November twenty
twenty one. But yeah, the recovery in the manufacturing sect,
if we if we do yet, one is off a
very weak base and four the five subindices are below

(06:55):
their long term average. So yeah, manufacturers are still not
that confident. Really, product levels they've gone backwards and actually
about the same as a year ago, which is a
little bit disappointing when you think about the number of
cuts we've had to the official cash right over that period.
It's hard to call whether the manufacturing sector is actually
contributing positively to the economy and the current cord. And
what we do know is the core manufacturing sales volumes

(07:17):
the foul one point nine percent on quarter in the
three months to June. So I've seen that's not going
to help the GDP read We get this week obviously
a bit lagged, expected to show the economy contracted around
point three percent.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, but what about detail.

Speaker 11 (07:31):
Yeah, but hey, let's let's celebrate something. So there's some
good news this and this might benefit the manufacturing sector
down the track and the economy and the current quarter.
And it is from the retail sector so myke Kiwi
consumers have their wallets out, so the value of electronic
card transactions and retail industries that roads zero point seven
percent to six point nine to four billion in August

(07:52):
on a seasonally adjusted basis and not a one off.
This is the third straight monthly increase. It's the largest
this year. Quarry oil industries spend their up point nine percent,
and the hospital sect there's something to celebrate. They saw
one of a larger increases spending their up twenty one
million or one point four percent. That's the biggest since
November twenty twenty four. Wasn't just hospital that was seeing

(08:14):
high spend. Peril that was at one point eight percent,
durables long lasting items that was up half percent, and
consumers that rose point three percent. So totally of spending
that increased by forty one million point three billion. One
caveat these numbers aren't inflation justice, so could say this
might be just a higher prices. But we're also seeing
sentiment improve in terms of number of transactions. So one

(08:37):
hundred and seventy four million last month, that's up a
million from July and about fifty four dollars per transaction
total amount spent nine point three billion, So might let's
start talking about green shoots and consumer land. We've got
more rate cuts on the way that should help sentiment,
and that'll be welcomed by retailers heading to the end
of the year.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Good stuff stateside, though, consumers not happy, not.

Speaker 11 (08:58):
So happy, no, so the University of Michigan cern a
second straight month of decline in September, so fell fifty
five point forward. It's a four months life from fifty
eight point two in August. Worston expected most expecting no change.
So consumers are seeing risks to business conditions. Jobs, we've
seeing that print recently, and inflation particularly weak among lower

(09:19):
middle income consumers, they're seeing risks to their own pockets
as well. So views around current personal finances days about
eight percent this month. Trade policy perhaps no surprise, that's
a big factor. So they conduct interviews. Sixty percent of
consumers provided unprompted comments about tariffs. They're not buying the
idea that it won't push up inflation, but took care

(09:39):
of the longer term, so inflation expectations. The feed looks
that Michael said, I'm meeting this week over a one
year four point eight percent. That's unchanged, but over the
five year term up to three point nine tenth three
and a half percent last month. So everything that's happened
this year is clearly impacting sentiment, and if you look
at the index, it's actually twenty percent lower than a
year ago. It doesn't help, of course that the FED

(10:01):
hasn't cut boring rates this year, but Mike, there might
be some respite had as well.

Speaker 10 (10:06):
This week.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
The markets are pricing an a quarter point rate cut
by the Fed this week, and I think there's around
a bout of a twelve percent chance of the fifty
basis point cuts, So stay.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Tuned numbers, please.

Speaker 12 (10:17):
The Dow was.

Speaker 11 (10:18):
Down point six percent on Friday, forty five eight three
four s and P five hundred. That was down the
smidge sixty five eight four NAZE that was up point
four percent, twenty two to one four one foot CE
one hundred down point two percent nine two eighty three.
As you mentioned UK economy that was flat lining in July,
Nikay up point nine percent. In Japan ACEX two hundred
up point seven percent. Insis fifty we were flat thirteen

(10:40):
two two seven, Gold up nine dollars three thousand, six
hundred and forty three and ounce oil up thirty two
cents sixty two spots sixty nine and the currencies against
the US fifty nine point five down point four percent,
Ossie dollar eighty nine point six down point two percent,
as it was against the British pound, Kiwi fetching forty
three point nine Japanese yen eighty eight flat this week.

(11:02):
Lot's going on locally with the services sector print. We've
got food inflation that will be closely watched. Dairy auction
of course, second called GDP later in the week. That's
a bit lagged off shore earning some Hargen das olans,
general mills. We've got FedEx tryin news, retail sales, US
housing m a deluge of central banks one Canada, England, Japan,
and of course the Feds.

Speaker 10 (11:22):
So stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
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Speaker 3 (11:29):
Pasky haven't seen the.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Swatch over the weekend. It's trolling Trump. It's quite funny.
On the thirty nine percent Tariff's watch of course made
in Switzerland. Switzerland got a thirty nine percent tariff, so
their new watch has a three where the nine is nine,
where the three is better news for Ireland. By the way,
the Bank of America kree they're going to create one
thousand new jobs first operation in Northern Ireland. City Group
has also pledged investment across the UK site, so PayPal

(11:52):
s and p Global they're already there. They promised an
investment to one point two five billion, so basically Belfast
these days and this is a tip for New Zealand.
Fast is seen as a center of excellence. So one
thousand new jobs out of the Bank of America for Ireland.
Six twenty one, you're at Newstalk ZEDB.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
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Speaker 3 (12:18):
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Speaker 2 (12:20):
Mike is very disappointed at the Warriors. They seem to
choke at the business end every time. Ben, if you
listen to my comments at the start of the show,
I don't think they choked. I just don't think they're
a good enough site and they need to material improve
their site. It's not like you take the same players
and make them run harder or faster, whatever the case.
They need better talent is my assummation. Mike Luckson's lost India.
I'm getting a bit of this this morning. It's interesting

(12:40):
Luckson's lost any credibility by announcing the entertainment funding. I
hope you give him a grilling. Hypocritical considering he's been
banging on for the last eighteen months about there being
no money for anything. He'll argue it's an investment, build
it and they will come.

Speaker 10 (12:53):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
This government's going to give money to international acts so
they can come here for concerts and then take a
net further amount of money out of New Zealand as
a profit. This policy may appeal to a bunch of young,
financially illiterate labor voters, but it doesn't appeal to me.
Interesting age six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
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Speaker 2 (13:13):
We have the opposite view. Back to the league. Maybe
over for the Warriors, but if you want an example
of a game played at the highest level, Raiders v. Broncos.
Raiders up by sixteen fourteen to go come on in
Reese Walsham. But even then the Raiders had had won
it twice, and by that I mean the referee called
full time twice. Raiders celebrated, then both times. It was
called back because the Bunker is allowed to review the

(13:34):
last play and the commentary from the final minutes of
regular time extra time and Golden Point checked.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Out his wash.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
The tapers come, he sent it towards the stacks.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's drifting logo.

Speaker 10 (13:48):
He gives a pack.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
He's given him no time.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
That's fight the game rest.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Walt is injured.

Speaker 10 (13:57):
Posts twenty eight a full time.

Speaker 13 (14:00):
There's races from me till the thirty of passers. I'm
hunting young and it's back of the arms of the raiders.

Speaker 14 (14:09):
It comes to our papery, it goes to our honey.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Right to try. He wants to garden points. He's the
last of too far out.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's a shellot kick. She was chasing through.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
Kids quite away.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
The riders.

Speaker 10 (14:31):
A raptor.

Speaker 15 (14:35):
One of those riders games ever, the ball guys foward
into the broncoes the first time on camera.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
We have a decision.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Tomo, sit back there.

Speaker 16 (14:44):
Mate, Ben Hunt Hunt from inside Money Dinner.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Well, he's celebrating.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Unreal life and that's full of By the way, if
you missed the ram Philly Shield yesterday, that those final
three four five minutes twenty five phases will go down
as one of the great victories in domestic rugby of
all time. So it really was a I was going
to say a great weekend, but it was certainly a
sporting weekend worth talking about, wasn't it. We'll do it

(15:16):
after eight.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
On the Kerk investigation. Richard Donold Shortley twenty three to seven,
New Week New Hope. We've got the ASV regional economic
scorecard by a plenty calm on in strong employment, jump
in house sales. That's what number one looks like. Southland, Otago, Canterbury.
They represent the gold that is the South Island. Auckland
at five might be back stronger retail and consumer confidence.
Nick Toughly as the aspach Economist, is back with us

(15:51):
next morning, Good Morning in totality. What's it tell us
about New Zealand inc.

Speaker 17 (15:57):
What we're looking at as signs that key export industries
have been starting to show a little bit of cash
and activity through the economy and maybe some tentative signs
that in Auckland people have found where they buried their
wallet a few years ago as well.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
They have plenty. Is it all kiwi fruit or is
there more to it than that?

Speaker 17 (16:17):
I would say that the chunk of it will be
the good key fruit seasons that we've been starting to
have and the cash flowing through, because that's where we're
really seeing the jumps are coming through it and things
like employment and confidence and spending and look at as
a key export hub as well, So we've got to
bear that in mind.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, Southland and o Tiger is farming and tourism or.

Speaker 17 (16:36):
Not, that will be the case there. So Tigo has
been basically in the top three virtually for the last
two years and that's really benefited from that Australian based
tourism that's flying through and flow on through the Southland. Obviously,
also its economy is very geared towards agriculture and so
we're starting to see the fruits of that come through.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
So Auckland not just five, but up five to be
it five. What's happened there.

Speaker 17 (17:02):
Well, generally what we've seen is there it's always got
that population booth, so although that's a bit lagging in
terms of the measurement there, it's more confident. We're seeing
more cars being registered there, so that's despite the or
maybe it's because we're getting the road cone band coming
through and lot of construction and housing. They're not I
wouldn't say that they're spectacular, but the ratings there have

(17:25):
been improving, going from being sort of real quite poor
to below average.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Retail trade volume, so this is nationwide. They're up quarter
on quarter, so annualize at two point three percent. That
if you ask most people, is anyone spinning the go
on our accounts? Cost of living? The numbers tell you
something different, doesn't they mean two point three is two
point three?

Speaker 17 (17:44):
Yeah, Look, one thing I've got to bear in mind
is that we're inflation cooling down in a bit, discounting
at that retail level, the spending growth isn't as strong,
So we had like zero point one percent increase in
the quarter quarterly increase in the value of spending even
though we've got a bit more volume. So look, there's
some tentative signs, particularly and durables like electricals have started
to turn up a bit, but look, it's still relatively

(18:07):
quiet and tough out there for retailers of the mind.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Export volumes down three point seven percent. Is that tariffs
or is there more to it than that?

Speaker 17 (18:14):
They'll be perhaps a little bit of that. So we've
got to remember that we had a really good boost
in the early parts of the year and sorry, our
exports to the US lift at that point, so I've
have beat the tariff. But also just with out export volumes,
you know, things like dairy and meat where we had
such fantastic growing conditions sort of late last year earlier
this year, and the impact of that sort of does

(18:35):
sort of wear off a bit on your export volumes
broadly speaking.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Broadly speaking, there are shoots. They are green, they're real.
Is that fair or not?

Speaker 17 (18:44):
There are a few shoots coming through. But I think
what we've got a caveat is that when we go
through and get the due two GDP figures this later
on this week, they're not going to be looking at
that flash. But we are seeing signs of export strength
and maybe that twitch of people reaching to me. While
at in Auckland, good.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Stuff nice to catch up within. Nick Tuughly, the ASB
chief economists by the way, so they have plenty followed
by Southland to Targo, Canterbury, Auckland. As regards the rest
of the country are Way, Kato, West Coast, Nelson and
Mrlborough's gone from four to nine. Sorry about it. Tasman
Manuwa to Gismon, Hooks Bay are equal on twelve or thirteen,

(19:20):
whatever you want to call it. Northland, Taranaki and Wellington
once again is bringing up the rear, although Andrew Little
will undoubtedly fix that. Nineteen to seven The.

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Morning Micom a secondary school teacher in christ Church. You
won't say what school, but our entire department has left.
The PPTA were appalled by the direction it's taken over
the past few years. Grounded in ideology, more interested in

(20:43):
opposing the Treaty Principles Bill last year than working on
paying conditions. My year twelves and thirteen's will be in
today because it's so close to the end of the year.
They've got work to do. I'm embarrassed by the union
and Abercrombie, who seems to have his own agenda to
enter politics. We wish there was another union, not full
of wote losers. I know this, won't you read out
on you six for.

Speaker 18 (21:02):
Five International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business, good.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Morning, who's not cooperating? Where are we at?

Speaker 19 (21:13):
Not a lot further, but it might be a good
time to switch off from social media.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
The murder of Charlie Kirk has.

Speaker 19 (21:17):
Spawned many intense reactions, as you've been seeing from all
political corners. Pilots, teachers, commentators have been fired or suspended
because of their online post. Fox News host Jesse Waters
upine that Kirk was not polarizing but a patriot.

Speaker 20 (21:31):
Novelist.

Speaker 19 (21:31):
Stephen King responded to Kirk advocated stoning gay to death,
Ted Cruise and called King a quote horrible, evil, twisted liar.
Then King deleted his post and apologized. Trump weighed in
with this.

Speaker 14 (21:43):
The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious,
and they're horrible, and they're politically savvy.

Speaker 19 (21:49):
Well, we know the number of left wing politicians have
been targets of this violence as well. Trump aids Stephen
Miller said, well.

Speaker 7 (21:56):
You're going to do what it takes to dismantle the
organizations and the ants it is that are fomenting riots,
that are docsing, that are trying to inspire terrorism and
that are committee acts of wanton violence.

Speaker 19 (22:07):
Commentators Steve Bannon said the country internally is at war,
and they quote Steely resolver is required, and so on
and on as to the investigation of this case, so
a little new is indicated. One person being noted for
his comments is Utah's Republican governor Spencer Cox, who says
police have interviewed the AQ shooter's roommate with whom he
is alleged to have been romantically involved and who is

(22:28):
transitioning from male to female, whom government says was shocked
at what has happened.

Speaker 21 (22:34):
I will say that that person has been very cooperative.

Speaker 19 (22:36):
Government mostly has been lashing out at social medium. He
says it is up to each individual to decide how
to react to some of this, but assuredly this is
a moment of significant political turbulence.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Of course. Trump is off to see the King this week.
As regards the war on the way though this NATO
thing that they play, he plays, he plays, I mean,
how's this workout?

Speaker 19 (22:58):
Well, it's again backing away from his promise to sanction
Russia more significantly over its invasion of Ukraine. He has
regularly threatened to punish Putin with new sanctions if Russia
refused to reach any agreement with Ukraine or move towards it.
Now he's adding these new conditions he has set, as
you say, to visit the UK this week, Trump proposing
new conditions for NATO allies, saying you will only sanction

(23:20):
Russia when all NATO nations stopped buying oil from Russia
and I post tarif on China. That is very unlikely,
says military analys Steve Ganyo a.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Very little chance that those NATO countries that are still
buying oil and gas from Russia will.

Speaker 19 (23:32):
Cooperate, especially hungry in Turkey. So another past for Putin
is it Trump himself is saying of the supposed peace effort,
it does take two to tango.

Speaker 14 (23:40):
It's amazing when Putin wants to do it, Zelenski didn't.
When Zelensky wanted to do it, Putin did. Now Zelenski
wants to, and Putin is a question mark.

Speaker 19 (23:52):
Well, some would question where the Putin ever wanted to
take part in cease fire efforts, and there are growing
concerns among even some Republican pollies that Russia is simply
toying with Washington. Meantime, there is a new Russian drone violation.
Couple of F sixteen fighters were scrambled this weekend as
a Russian drone violated Romanian airspace. So last week Poland,
now Romania. As NATO faces these growing challenges see Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Richard Arnold stateside Belarus. By the way, while we're in
that eastern part of Europe, a whole bunch of political
prisoners were released over the weekend. This is the deal
they did with Lukashenko, Trump and Lukashenko. So fifty two prisoners,
trade union leaders, journalist activists, all that sort of thing.
There's about a thousand of them still in jail. And
as a result of that, the US will relieve some
of the sanctions on Beller Russian their airline Belavia. Memphis

(24:40):
is your next port of call for the National Guard,
by the way, just to bring you up to speed.
So Washington, apparently that's a tex Chicago. I think they've
arrived in Chicago, but anyway, he's aiming for Memphis next.
And if you look at the crime rate in Memphis,
one of the highest crime rates in America. In Bolsonaro,
I think it was Friday got twenty seven years. The
Americans don't like that either. They see that a bit

(25:00):
of a stitch up, so they're going to do something
about that. We don't know what. Meantime, Rubio, who is
particularly upset about it, he's in the middle of Israel
trying to solve that problem at the moment, so it's
not like they're not racking up air miles trying to
solve the world's problems. Eleven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
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Speaker 2 (25:18):
Well, I'm on myvent of stuff that's happening in the
world at the moment. Milawi's voting parliamentary, local council and presidential.
The presidential is a re race or a rematch. If
you liked the guy Chakwira and the man he beat
who was then president back in twenty twenty, a guy
called Mrika, they're both old. There are fifteen other candidates. Ironically,

(25:41):
somebody was suggesting and reading I was doing over the weekend.
The cues for the petrol will be longer than the
cues of people lining up to vote their economies shot pieces. Meantime,
Nepaul's gone weird, and it was weird before it went
even more weird. So the former Supreme Court Chief Justice Khaki,
she's a woman, seventy three, first woman prime minister, so

(26:02):
I suppose we go wow, first woman prime minister. Anyway,
the parliament buildings still on fire. So the parliament was dissolved.
General elections would be held March five next year. Problem
with that, and that was one of the demands of
these gen zas that have been protesting throughout Nepal. If
you're following this particular story, it's the kids on the streets.

(26:22):
They banned social media. The kids went to nuts. The
Prime Minister ran for his life along with the finance
min as. They set the place on fire. Anyway, once
they got the new interim Prime Minister and she dissolved
the parliament, all the other people in the parliament and
there's eight parties went well, hold on, you're not doing that.
So I don't know where that goes. I don't think
I hadn't forgotten about the Prime minister and talking about

(26:43):
that march. The march over the weekend over the bridge
didn't happen because it was breezy, which was I think
it was a stitch up by the cops. It wasn't
breezy enough to call it off. The cops called it
off because of the wind. I don't think it was
windy enough to call it off. They called it off
as a stitch up anyway, point being, I still haven't
been able to get to the bottom of it. Who's
responsible literally? I don't mean generally New Zealand Transport Association

(27:05):
and the police, but who literally makes the decision to
close State Highway one in the biggest city in the
country one and a half million people, so a bunch
of rebel can walk across the bridge and do one.
Is the war finished? Has the war been sorted over
the weekend as a result of the march? No, it
was twenty thousand that many they said, ten to twenty thousand.
No one can count, of course anymore. Is that a

(27:25):
big thing anyway? So I asked the Prime Minister about that.
He should know five away from seven.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Well, the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
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Speaker 2 (27:37):
Right, Grocery supplier costs to supermarkets. We've got the Inframetric's
foodstuff supply cost index for August, costs were up two
point three percent compared to a year ago, So on average,
increases have sped up throughout the year. Now that's because
of input costs and your dairy and your meat story.
Chilled food's up three point six. That's dairy, bakery three

(28:00):
point seven. You don't need bakery. Bakery is bad for you.
Stop eating bakery, save some money three point seven. Butchery
up two point five. That's the fastest increase in since
twenty three. Two point five in a month is a lot.
You're olive oil going down. Cleaning and laundry products, they
are up. Nothing to ride home about. In the produce
department's all seasonal, of course, a month one month, there
were more than two and a half thousand products that

(28:21):
did go up. But that's actually the smallest number of
products in terms of increases in some six months. Normally
it's around an average of twenty eight hundred, So fewer
products are going up in price. So that's encouraging. I
would have thought. Internationally, now this is really interesting. The
International Food Price Index. This is the FAO that's up
six point nine in August, So we're laughing. Meat price

(28:44):
is globally the highest they've ever been. So if you
think it's expensive, yes it is, but it's expensive everywhere.
Dairies eased off slightly thanks to the highest supply from
the US and Europe. We got another dairy auction commis Root,
so we'll look forward to see what the numbers are
at because the last dairy auction weeks ago, of course,
it was a disaster and we don't want that. We
do not want that, Sir John Kerwin. I'm not, by

(29:05):
the way, for the record, I'm not angsting over the
all Blacks. You know, this was the side that just
enthralled us a week ago and then they fell apart.
What this says to me is this is a fantastically
tight competition. If you look top to bottom, there's two
points between the top and the bottom. Argentina are the
real deal, fantastic. Australia appear to be the real deal, fantastic.

(29:25):
We've all beaten each other, brilliant. It's good for the sport,
isn't it. I mean is that that hard to be
positive about it? Right? Has Taylor coming and does anyone care?
Does seventy million dollars get her here? We'll find out shortly.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
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Speaker 1 (29:42):
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Speaker 2 (29:48):
So what does seventy million dollars get you? In the
tourism and events game? The ankster is driven out of
people like Taylor Swift, of course bypassing the country. But
does money actually fix that? Forty of the seventy million
is for headliners in large scale events. Brent Eckos, of course,
the founder of Eckel's Entertainment back with us. Good morning,
Hey you going. I'm getting a lot of feedback this
morning from I suspect people who don't quite understand this equation.

(30:08):
When a government hands out seventy million dollars, who gets it?
And what's it?

Speaker 12 (30:13):
By well, Jenery's it's just a phrase, the cost of
large shows coming to New Zealand. So I guess in
a sense the artists the artist benefits from it. The
promoter doesn't really. But it's the color of things like
the fact that our dollar is weak against the US dollar.
Most deals have done in US dollars. That you know,

(30:36):
freight costs have gone through the roof, production costs and
stage in such like that has stopped these shows coming
to New zeal over the last few years.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
What about the basic economic imperative. I'm the manager of
Taylor Swift or Billie Eilish or Coldplay or The Rolling Stones.
I look at Eden Parker go I can pack that
place three times over for three nights. I'm going to
hire it. I'm going to make a shedload of money.
Does it not work that way?

Speaker 12 (31:00):
In the case of Taylor Swift that everyone talks about,
that was never going to come to New Zealand. It
only went to Marlwokene, Sydney, didn't do Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth.
That was because of the size of the show that
the cost and sitting up was enormous. It would not
have worked in Eden park So but there are many
many other artists who I think you'll find you with
this fund. In the next three months or so, we'll

(31:22):
read more announcements for next summer, which as long as
these things take, but that will happen.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
But you're telling me that, so go below Taylor Swift.
You're telling me a Luke Colmes who did come here
and sold that I think it was seventy thousand tickets
or whatever it was. They're not making money on that,
there must be money to be made on that. Therefore,
why do we need government money?

Speaker 12 (31:42):
Well he did come, yeah he can so that that
that equation worked for him. But there are artists that
their production requirements are such that that doesn't work. And
you know, we can go, you can put a head
in the sand and go, oh, you know they'll come anyway.
Well they're what they won't and they're not unfortunate. So
we're getting some but not all. I think the government's

(32:03):
recognized that it's so good for the psyche of New
Zealand they have these shows come. Plus all the associated
businesses profit from it too. It's good for everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So it's a tea below Taylor Swift, but it's it's
there are acts clearly out there that that are what
too big and they don't you know, we don't have
the facilities, or they need a backhand, or I just
I honestly don't understand. It's a it's a subsidy, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (32:28):
Yeah, in a way it is, but it's the cost
of getting to New Zealand and putting on that show
in New Zealand. There are lots of reasons why. But
you know there are a number of artists that are
coming through well. A good example, I think we'll the
ac DC who's playing in Australia. I think in November
they should have come here and I suspect that's the
cost thing. But anyway, there's a whole lot of new
artists that are coming through now that are playing stadiums,

(32:50):
not arenas, not Spark Arena, but Edington Park or Western
Springs will go media type venue. They're starting to come
through now and we need to make sure that we
get them to the new Zeale. Not only that we're
going to have two great markets now, crisis is coming
on very very soon. That's a covered stadium that's going
to change the landscape as well. So I think that's
a smart thing for the government to do, all.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Right, Brent appreciated Bret Eckles season campaigner in the entertainment space.
Of course, I'll come back to christ which I was
reading about Christ each other the week in a very
good piece. I've got to recommend to your ten Pars
seven our new stats on gangs in our prisons. About
a third of Patch members are behind bars these days.
Apparently we've got over ten and a half thousand people
in jail. Of those three one and twenty four a
link to sixty four different gangs. Did you realize there

(33:34):
was sixty four of them? Seven hundred and forty two
just come from the mongrel mob alone, Floyd Floyd Douplacy
as the Corrections Association president back with us, Floyd morning,
Good morning, sixty four gangs? I mean, who the hell
are they? Apart from the ones we all know.

Speaker 22 (33:50):
There are a lot of smaller gangs out there that
generally out aligned the majority of the of the numbers,
and the offending tends to be in the bigger groups
that everyone knows about. A lot of those other smaller
numbers are relatively small.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Those statistics about a third. Does that surprise you if
you've done a quick head count, would you have come
up with that sort of number yourself?

Speaker 22 (34:16):
Actually it does so for those of us working in
the prisons, we would have thought those numbers are higher
in reality. And the reason I say that is quite
often within those prisons there's people in there that according
to paper, are not aligned, but when when they're in
the prison, they are. We're walking alongside and supporting those

(34:37):
other groups for pure survival, and so we feel those
numbers actually higher than what paper suggests.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Tell us what's that till about the rehab story. I mean,
the chances of these people people being rehabilitated, I'm assuming
is low.

Speaker 22 (34:52):
Absolutely, the chances is extremely low. And I know there's
been some commentary from the government that suggests they are
putting effort in there, and they are putting an effort.
The problem is the if it's far too small. So
if they actually talk to those people delivering that rehab
or the staff overseeing it, they'll realize that when you're
putting those gang influences in and amongst the rehead, those

(35:14):
influencers influence what is actually meaningfully able to be achieved.
And there needs to be a separation. We need to
be able to separate the gang members or separate those
members that are saying, hey, we're going to leave, we
want to walk away from this. You've got to separate
them from those influences. Otherwise they're never going to be
able to leave while they're in the prison. So there
needs a lot more effort in there.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
And these statistics that is as a result of the
government law change, the so called crackdown on gangs. So
this is a material outworking of that.

Speaker 22 (35:42):
That's definitely a component. So the more there's a crack
down on the outside, the more we're going to see
the numbers increase in the prisons. That's just a reality
of cracking down crime.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
They're interesting numbers, aren't they. Floy appreciated as always, Floyd
duple to see the Corrections Association President thirteen past seven
past of minded the all blacks loser game. But by
my few points, that's life in competition. But we collapse
number one. Sides don't collapse, Mike. The teachers strike slowly
but surely, eroding the good will that parents have for
their cause. It's proving that no matter how much you
pay them, it'll never be enough. There will always be

(36:11):
another reason why they want more. Throwing more money at
teachers leaves less for everyone else. Do they not realize
that this country is still digging itself out of the
whole the previous government left. There are also many people
working in jobs that would love a guarantee two point
five percent increase every year, but get nothing or have
had no pay rise for the last few years. If
I were them, I would consider greatly the reputation that
they're creating for a vocation that is bordering on greedy

(36:34):
than one that has students at the heart of what
they choose to do for a career, well said Gina.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
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Speaker 2 (36:45):
A be Prime Minister in the studio shortly seventeen past seven.
So it's turning out to be a roller coaster old
season for the All Blacks fans dispatch. Having dispatched the French,
Argentina tripped us up at least once acue the Yanks.
But then we put it all right, didn't we? South
Africa epic a week ago? Fantastic? And then until said
they night, it all came undone record loss. So where
are we at? John Cowan's with us, John Morning.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Well, must apologize Mike for the other day, No excuse
may sleep. No, actually did made myself do twenty push ups?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Mate, So I apologize with one arm. I hope is
there is a loss? A loss? Or was there something
odd about that?

Speaker 10 (37:21):
Oh? Very odd?

Speaker 5 (37:22):
To be fair, Mike, Like normally at the end of
an All Black loss, you'll come out and say, oh,
maybe it was high ball. You know, we've got one
thing to work on. It was a critical moment, But
I think the second half on the weekend was you know,
our line out dysfunctioned at times, we got put under
pressure at the scrum our high ball wasn't great and

(37:43):
you know, I'm sure the leaders will be looking themselves
and said, well, how did we sort of continue to
concede points? There seemed to be some nervousness in the field.
So normally we go away, can we can fix that up?
We'd be right, But I think this one is a
little bit more serious for the team to look at.
They'll be reeling everyone's really, I think because they're such

(38:03):
a surprise.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
The schizophrenic nature of it though, how can you do
what they did a week ago and then a week
later it's completely different.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Well, I think it's a leadership. I think it's an
understanding of what we're trying to achieve and what happens
in crisis. So you know, normally what would happen is
you'd turn to a kicking game and I think or
have a plan about what you're going to do. We
know the DNA of South Africa, when they get under pressure,
they're going to wait for penalty kick you to the corner,
do them more.

Speaker 12 (38:30):
We know that.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
I think under pressure, the biggest learning for the team
will be, Okay, what's going to happen when we start
getting behind because normally we do this to other size normally,
what happens when we see a crack bomb? You know,
we'll put forty points on people, but you know thirty
odd unanswered points is you need to look at everything.
You need to have a really serious look at Okay,
there's not one thing that we need to work on.

(38:53):
That's the problem. So I think leadership, kicking game, under pressure.
What are we going to do when we're behind by
ten points? Which is a lot and a test match but.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
A good competition though, isn't it. Everyone's beaten everybody.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
How good and there's no reason to panic. We don't
need to panic. The South African side is an amazing side.
They've been changing the team a lot. I thought they
got the balance right on the weekend. Australia continues to improve,
but it's still all to be won and that's what
we want. You know, we can't always think about rugby
and us dominating and that hasn't happened for a few years.

(39:25):
But it's a great competition and that's what we want.
I mean, there's everything to play. We've still got another
game at Eton Park against the improving Australia side, so
she's all to playful good stuff.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Nice to catch up to John coowin Wethers Mike, don't
forget South Africa conceded thirty eight points without reply against
Australia just a few weeks ago. That's my point. Look
at the competition, it's fantastic. We're not done with sport.
By the way, word on Noe Lean shortly seven.

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I mean, doesn't the first coach to be badly treated,
of course, but she might actually be the most successful
and well regarded and sport I was thinking to himself
over the week. It's funny old thing, isn't it These
days and these it sort of seems to want to
walk a line between being successful and being modern or
dare I suggest the word woke. See last week when
reports of players feeling unsafe emerged, I didn't even know

(41:21):
what that actually meant. Unsafe to me anyway, Unsafe for
something that might happen in the dark in an alley.
It's a physical danger thing as opposed to an emotional
state on a court. On a court, you can be
exhausted or exhilarated, or furious or related. I just can't
work out how you are unsafe, which in part is
the problem. I think it's an invention or a new

(41:42):
derivation of the word. Your environment has been interfered with,
even if you accept its new usage. It's the sort
of thing you might find on a university campus among
the angsty. On a sport field or a court, it's
got no place, even less so if that court is
at the elite level. I mean cycling had a horrible
time if you're a member that but that was abuse?
Is Netbull talking about abuse? Does Tarua abuse people? That

(42:05):
doesn't seem to be the suggestion. Next problem is the
lack of clarity, if not honesty. All reports seem to
indicate unsafe is code for the coach being a bit
old fashioned, demanding high standards, not putting up with slackness.
See we used toll like that approach. That approach was
the norm. The only purpose of elite sport, if you
think about it, the only purpose is victory. It exists

(42:25):
for no other reason than to let a chosen few
express themselves in a way where they win and others
can piggyback by way of television licensing or ticket sales
or just being a fan. Unless Nolan Tarua has had
a personality transformation and they're all wandering around netball in
New Zealand going, oh, what happened to noles? Man? That
Knowles has changed, hasn't she? Which I suspect hasn't happened.

(42:46):
Then what we are left with is the inescapable conclusion
that Tarua is the victim of soft management in a
world where every cry baby is heard, and the ultimate victim.
Irony of Ironies is one of the best and one
of the sort's greatest ever exponents. She has benched while
the woke in the boardroom wrecked the National Women's Sport

(43:07):
Hosking inspired by your comments, Mike, recently we went to
christ Church of the weekend. Wow, it's special friendly good
housing options and tick so many boxes. Forget boxes, Forget Auckland.
We're seriously moving. That's good to hear, very good piece
and you must read it if you missed it. Over
the week in Mitchell Hageman wrote how christ Church became
the most liveable city in New Zealand. And here are

(43:27):
some stats. I'm not even sure. No one's followed the
christ Church story more than a Christchurch story more than me,
but I'm not even sure I knew these numbers. More
than forty two thousand people have moved to Canterbury from
the North Island since twenty eighteen. Forty two thousand. That's
a virtually a city. A city's moved to a city.

(43:48):
Seventeen thousand people have been living in Auckland alone have
moved to christ Church since twenty eighteen, fifteen to twenty
four year olds. That population has grown by six percent
since the last census, so the young people. Again, it's
a lot of university action there. I know that from
personal experience, a lot of people going to university and
deliberately choosing Canterbury University growing quite quickly in terms of

(44:08):
businesses as well as startups, and then it worked through
the whole article worked through the cost of housing, the
opportunities for business and jobs, and the weather and all
that sort of stuff. But worst they seemed to say
they found somebody who had their windows broken twice in
their car. It was just the one person that had
their windows broken twice, and so that was about as
bad as they could but they had to try to
balance out.

Speaker 23 (44:27):
That is pretty unlucky.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
That is pretty unlucky. I thought it was more unlucky
than a reflection on christ Juts, but I might be wrong.
But anyway, look that up and read it. It'll lift
the mood of the day.

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Speaker 2 (44:48):
Forty three minutes away from as Monday morning, Prime Minister
Christopher Luxan is back in the country and as with us,
good morning, we might. I don't know if it's the
change in media or the amount of coverage that's done,
but your Pacific Islands Forum didn't seem to get a
lot of coverage last week. Before you know, you're out
of the country for several days, So just just a
quick one. Was China a major and did anything material

(45:10):
apart from that happen.

Speaker 16 (45:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (45:12):
Look, I mean what we're trying to do with the
Pacific Islands is about eighteen countries and that grouping. We
want to make sure that there's what's called Pacific regionalism,
that the Pacific countries deal with their challenges and opportunities
as a group. Small countries are developing countries. The more
they can come together and project a Pacific Island's viewpoint
into the world. No different from what we see in

(45:33):
uscr and, which is the Southeast Asian economies. But for US,
you know, we had good conversations, for example on transnational
organized crime. You know huge if you think about tongsm Fiji,
Australia and New Zealand being really impacted by global myth trade,
particularly with Mexican cartels and so in North American organized crime.
And so you know, those are the kind of conversations
we got into, which is.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
What sort of card were you driven around? Because I
read last week that the Chinese had given them a
lot of cars, and Australia, upon seeing the Chinese had
given them a lot of cars, gave them even more cars.

Speaker 20 (46:04):
Al, really it was a great wall, great wall China, Chinese,
you were like or some of that. Well, so you
were bugked definitely, and I.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Think got that.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
The couple of random questions. A claim last week that
we're a couple of weeks away from signing an FTA
with India, true or not.

Speaker 20 (46:27):
I think it will be longer than that. We've said
we'll do it in this term. We've got our third
round of in person negotiations going down this week so
that the Indian team are here. We're making progress, but
as I've said, we will try. And you know, the
Indians are hard negotiators and so yes, their trade minister
has has artic letters all those comments as well.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
That's great.

Speaker 20 (46:46):
You know the fact that they've got a tension, that
they're engaged, well, it's just I mean we've we've actually
both promised to Modia and I and our trade ministers
you know, talk very positively and our visit about we
want to do this deal. We want to make it happen,
and it requires attention. And the fact that the Indians
are giving us attention when they've got everyone coming to
their door wanting to do an FTA is a really
good thing. So look, it'll take It'll take as long

(47:08):
as that needs to take. But we're making progress. But
you know, we've got a third round. As I said
in person this.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Week, Audrey Young seems to suggesce Palestine's on the agenda
today at cabinet.

Speaker 20 (47:18):
Is it well again, we've said we've got conversations going
on around the issue, but it's a pretty complex issue.
It's important that we form our own view on it.
You know, in New Zealand you've seen protests over the weekend.
There's a range of views about whether recognition is appropriate
or not appropriate. We've always said when, not if, but
we will make our own decision.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's not happening today, in other word, no when.

Speaker 20 (47:39):
Some will have more to say about that in the
coming weeks.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Okay, do you know, speaking of protests, do you know
the rule like literally, who decides in this country to
close the bridge when people want to walk across it
in protest?

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (47:52):
Look, I think that's an n ZTA decision.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
But do you know the person in there and why
are they to do that? Don't but why are they
allowed to do that? Well, I don't know, but that's
the decision. You mean, are you're the prime minister of
this country. Don't you want to know? I mean as
a person apart from anything it was in Auckland. How
is it that somebody goes, oh, yeah, we just close
a bridge.

Speaker 20 (48:08):
Yeah, I mean, we'll a huge inconvenience to people right
trying to get their kids around Saturday sport or often
what they're trying to do with their partners over the
weekend and their downtime. So it's a massive inconvenience of
you know, my personal view is that INCCIA should think
really deeply.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
About those are the rules. There was a place where.

Speaker 20 (48:25):
Protests happened, and as it turned out, I think the
bridge was shut down because of wind and as a
result people protested in the city here and that was fine.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Should there be something done about that? But if we
can't trust the nc TA and the police to make
sensible decisions so the rest of the world can actually
get about their business, should you step and go here
are some rules that you need to adhere to.

Speaker 20 (48:42):
Yeah, we can have a look at it, but I
think you know, there's enough other places that people can protest,
and we want people to be able to feel free
to do so. Now they completely You know, we want
that in our society, but you know, on this particular issue,
as you know, there's deep seated feelings on all sites.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yes, there is fun aura. This was a tapunakokar. This
was a classic Friday story. So that investigation into the
funding and whether it was across the line or not
came back with something I couldn't quite understand. It might
have burned, it might not have been. Was the scope
in the investigation too wide? So in other words, what
you're saying is fine or are therefully the betterment of Maori?

(49:19):
Therefore you can basically spend your money on whatever you want.

Speaker 20 (49:21):
Now, what happened here was there was some pretty serious allegations.
Tpk undertook a review. That review came back and said, look,
there wasn't evidence of any wrongdoing. Having said that, there
was opportunities for us to do much better than we
had historically been doing. There's three things that have been
going on. It wouldn't you like it wouldn't surprise you.
We get to government and labor were very focused on

(49:43):
how much money they spend rather than the outcomes they deliver.
So there's not a lot of oversight around outcomes, So
we're making sure that everything's in contracts actually with clauses
now that are focused on outcomes managing perceived or real
conflicts of interest. The second thing was that none of
those providers, the foref or providers, have been retended in
twelve years. That just from a commercial practice point of view,

(50:04):
that's not good. So we've retended and none of the
current providers have come through that retendering.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Press and have they not come through it because they
weren't playing the game.

Speaker 20 (50:13):
According to about value for money and saying we want
to buy these outcomes and we're going to work with
these organizations and we're going to pay you some money
to deliver this outcome, because that's all I'm interested in,
this outcome, So how we get them I'm less hung
up on. But when we're going to spend government money
and social services, it's not surprising to you that you'd
imagine it's been pretty loose, and so.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You would argue this reporter's retrospective of what was going
on as opposed to what is going on or not.

Speaker 20 (50:37):
Well, I think my point is I still think there's
a lot more that government needs to do, infinitely better
around the procurement, either of social services or procurement in general. Right,
And so one of those things is you should have
regular retendering processes for long term contracts. You should make
sure that the contracts that you sign with them actually
have clauses in those contracts, like a good commercial one
about delivery, about outcomes. And the third thing is, you know,

(51:00):
this threw up quite a good question, which I know
that you know, Brian Roach will look at which is
around you know, what is the appropriate use of surpluses
organizations and let's get some real clear guidance.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I ended up in court Tamma Herey sued me for
this exact thing, and I maintained to this day I
was right, despite the fact we lost the court case.
But that's a story for another day. What happens is
they get money and they have some money left over.
They then put the money in the bank and they
collect the interest. And no one could in this particular
report answer that question. No, so one of the arists

(51:32):
is that still part of it or one.

Speaker 20 (51:33):
Of the ads. That's what I asked the PSC is
going to look at in the Parliamentary's Service Commissioner, because
that needs really clear guidance you know as to all those. Now,
let's be clear. I mean we contract for a bunch
of things. You might buy Air New Zealand tickets as
a government you know, for example, Air New Zealand will
make a profit off the back of that, as you
would reasonably expect. Right, we're buying services and so you

(51:54):
know as to but exactly in this space, what we
just wanted some really clear guidelines and guidance around how
surpluses are to be used or not to be used.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Right, so and Brian, Sobri will if they weren't attend
it for five million dollars and I do it for
three million, seven hundred thousand dollars, do I get to
pocket the rest?

Speaker 20 (52:12):
And that's just on you because we agreed to a
price or not. That's the thing I want clarity on.
That's what I've asked.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Well, what's your view though, Well, I.

Speaker 20 (52:18):
Mean we want to make well, there'll be an organization,
as I said, of commercial or nonprofit, you know, if
they can deliver value for money within the budget that
we've been prepared to pay for in order to secure
the outcomes. If they deliver the outcomes, that's what I'm
interested in now as to but again how much is
appropriate exactly what it can or can't be used for.
I think some definition around that would be very helpful.

(52:41):
So one is new contracts, new providers, and three someome
advice on the on surpluses.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I'm reading about fast track, which isn't fast track. Just
three projects have reached in principal decisions after eight months.
Is that a fast track or is that a slow track?

Speaker 10 (52:54):
No?

Speaker 20 (52:54):
I think you think. You know, there's some tweaks that
we're going to need to do to it, and you know,
as part of supermarkets work, there's also sort of an
accompanying pit around the bits that we've you know, Shane
Jones and Chris Bishop have learnt through engaging on the
fast track as to what we need to do differently
or better to speed that up.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
What are they going to do because I mean there's
one hundred and forty nine in the queue that have
been given the tick to be a FIES.

Speaker 20 (53:16):
Some of those haven't actually, you know, so we put
one hundred and forty nine into the legislation, they still
have to put their project into the process and some
haven't haven't done that yet, so there's still it's not
like a one hundred and forty nine. We're there from
day one. They were ones that we said, look, we'd
really like these guys to submit for a number of reasons.
They may not be ready, they may not have their fight.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
You still only ticked one off, which was your much
trumpet at Auckland port. Yeah, which is good, which is
good for one's good? How about eight?

Speaker 20 (53:42):
Yeah, we've got another that will probably emerge before Christmas,
which is another eight.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
So we'll have nine before Christmas. So you're still saying
fast track is fast track?

Speaker 20 (53:50):
Yeah, well it's better than what we've been doing. I
mean when when you know, my advisors would say to
me that that port decision out of Auckland would have
taken five years under the old RMA, it took six
months under fast track. Your point, it's a fair one,
which is that having put this thing together, we shouldn't
be so arrogant to say it's a set and forget process.
If we think that there are irritants and frustrations and
impediments that actually should be removed, let's go remove them. Okay,

(54:11):
So there will be some some more changes.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Just real quick. The events thing you made yesterday, there's
a lot of feedback this morning, and we had Britt
Eckles on what is it apart from just a subsidy
to get somebody like Taylor Swift here, because even Eckles
says it's just she'll end up with the dough.

Speaker 20 (54:25):
Now, look, I think there's sort of three things going on.
One is on the infrastructure side. I think actually Aukin
is going to come together pretty well. You look at
the airport, you look at the transport links, you start
to look at the convention center. I think, you know,
if we could liberate Mount eden Eden Park to sort
of get more stuff happening there, I think that would
all be quite good stuff. We put the money together
because we benchmarked ourselves against Queensland. Brisbane's is a similar

(54:46):
size city to Auckland, and we know that we want
to be competitive and what we did fifteen years ago
isn't probably relevant to today. And I also think, quite frankly,
as you and I've took before, I think there's a
lot of some work that we can do looking at
once you get these events coming here. If you want
to get a big NURL event here, for example, and
you might have to deal with TV rights, or you
might have to deal with a different on a Sunday

(55:09):
or whatever it is. There's a lot of madness going
on across some of the constraints that the venues are
actually having to work to as well. So if we
can get rid of some of that stuff and make
it easier for things to happen, that'd be a good thing.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Good stuff. Good to see. Christ of a Luxom thirteenth
to wait.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
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Speaker 2 (55:29):
It be interesting, so slowly a couple of texts flying
in the background in the office. Apparently ms the TA
said no or the council said no. This is the
protest over the bridge. The police said yes, and if
the police say yes, you got to go with it.
And the police said yes apparently to keep the peace.
So there are more questions to be answered there. Mike's

(55:51):
great to have such transparency from the Pyra Midster he
fronts up just in the head from my show now
hids from the COVID inquiry. Who do you trust the
person who fronts up and is accountable or not? Mike,
you mentioned Tama here. When the hell are they going
to complete the report and release it? On the way
Perreira Trust and the taxpayers money that's in front of
these serious for all that goes back to the election,
of course, the by election. With the election at the time,
what then became a by election. Of course Luxon should

(56:13):
get tough on passing law to stop protesters closing roads. Yeah.
I think what we got out of that is that
they rely, of course on agencies like the police, like
the NSITTA, and maybe needs somebody needs to stop it
and provide a little bit clearer something, a little bit
clearer by way of guidance. But do let me come
back to this to Punacokerey thing in just a couple
of moments and what was released on Friday, The guy

(56:34):
who did the review, Doug Craig, director of Ardis C
Group Consultancy, and they were ending up. His report was
read and Punacochery basically said it was at least arguable,
at least arguable the advertising campaign was within the purposes
of the FUNA or outcomes framework. But more on that,
just a couple of moments eight away from it.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
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Speaker 2 (56:59):
So the at least arguable the advertising campaign was within
the purposes of the FARNA or outcomes framework as several
or five. This refers to tama et and for the
enrollment on the Maori roll. Ultimately they suggested it probably
went a bit too far. It was within arguably the framework,
but it probably went a bit too far. This was
Doug Craig, director of the RDC Group consultancy who did

(57:22):
the report. The interesting aspect of it, it was not
possible to form a quote unquote definitive view. The reviewer
said it did not believe TMP was entitled to invest
FARNA or a funds, keep the money at accrued and
then use it for purposes outside the scope of the
FARNA or a fraewerk. Now what they're referring to there
is when you collect your money, you do whatever it

(57:43):
is you contracted to do, and you got some leftover,
you put it in the bank and then you earn interest.
What are you doing with the interest? And no one
can answer that question. And that then goes back to
the scope of the original investigation. And if the scope
of the original investigation was a bit loose, which I
think it was, and that is that if you're handing
out money to these agencies just for once again, quote

(58:04):
unquote the betterment of Mari. Where does that start and
where does that stop? And given it doesn't start or
stop anywhere, it's open to clearly an extraordinary amount of interpretation. Technically,
nobody clearly did anything wrong. But then again you've got
to ask the question, just how loose do you want
the expenditure? Do you take the Prime Minister's explanation that
they're tightening it up, they're on to it, they get it,

(58:26):
or is there more where that came from. It's interesting,
isn't it? But that was another classic Friday story, hoping
never to be heard from again. Now we've got the sport,
we got the rugby. I've already alluded to the Ranfilly Shield,
and I've alluded to the Warriors, and of course we've
ansted it over the All Blacks. But there are other
things to do. It's a very very good story that
once again I don't think got enough coverage. Tom Walsh
and Hamish Kur have got together and they've set up

(58:47):
a fund to help young athletes get to championships and
do some travel and subsidize their plights. So we'll talk
about that as well after the news which is next to.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
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Speaker 16 (59:16):
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they are the back to back to back to back champions.
I have beta the Warriors hair in Auckland twenty four
points to White.

Speaker 24 (59:30):
And a thoroughly embarrassing knight for the All Blacks, but
a wonderful night pus down a frock up. They have
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forty three.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
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sad the Ranfurley shield I discovered purely by accident and
though that last five minutes and overyone was talking about
the all blacks and stuff. But I mean, if you
ever want to see Heartland Rugby at its finest twenty
five phases, they got the ball at minute seventy eight

(01:00:33):
and they just went bang bang bang bang bang bang
bat until they scored and they won. It was brilliant.

Speaker 15 (01:00:40):
It was great sporting theater, like a lot of the
games over the weekend might. But to have the confidence
or to have the where was all to go through
that many phases and for Tasman also might not to
give a penalty away and imagine the refree didn't want
the games in by a penalty, yeah, or fifty to
fifty call, which was good. But to have the confidence

(01:01:01):
to keep driving away and that was to retain the
Shield in their first defense. Yeah, brilliant finish, great, great
for great for Shield Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I know you were busy over the week in Jason,
did you happen to see them?

Speaker 10 (01:01:13):
I did, Yes, I did.

Speaker 25 (01:01:14):
I watched the end of it and was yeah, I
mean I wanted Tasman to win because I wanted the
Shield to change hands again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I like it for a week mate, turn yourself down.

Speaker 25 (01:01:23):
I know, but but I but I you know, and
so did so did Southland and I think White cut
the same. So yeah, I would have quite liked Tasman
to have taken it back up north. But no, you
can't deny Canterbury's resilience.

Speaker 10 (01:01:35):
At the end.

Speaker 25 (01:01:35):
They're clearly the best team in the MPC. What I
seven from seven now, so yeah, I got on them
as far as the.

Speaker 15 (01:01:41):
That's that's a stacked Tasman team as well, Mike. There's
a lot of big names in the Tasman team. That's
almost a full ship of rugby sides.

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
I'll tell you what. The one player stood out to
me was less of fighting a nuku And I.

Speaker 15 (01:01:51):
Know NPC is different to Test football, but you'd have
to think he'd come into consideration for the Wallabies test
surely in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
What I'm enjoying, sav is this. I mean, I know
we lost, and we lost badly, and I get all that.
I'm just over sort of spending six days in a
row angsting about it all. At the end of the day,
this is a good competition where we've got four genuinely
good sides. Whereas once you would have gone well, Argentina
run up to much and probably Australia are bit useless
as well. Suddenly it's a proper competition and that's to

(01:02:19):
be celebrated, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:20):
Yeah, you can't have it both ways. For years and
years this competition would have already been decided, or it
was going to be decided between the All Blacks and
spring Box and the last couple of test matches. Right,
So the waller Beats are way down the bottom as
per and the Argentinians will always finished bottom as well.
But for all the teams to have two wins two losses, yeah,
great for the competition.

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
Although and yes, the spring Box.

Speaker 15 (01:02:41):
Well beaten at Ours Parked a few weeks ago, didn't
they somehow bounce back against the woeful All Black team
in that second half on Saturday Night? There are some
real issues, Mike, I think in that All Black team.
You don't want to get angsty about it, yes, you
don't want to panic, but they keep making the same mistakes.
All Black scrumm a year ago was a weapon that's

(01:03:02):
gone now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
I don't know, are you? I mean you did, Jason?
I mean do we? Is there a mentality there, Jason,
where we we still expect to win every time in
a world where it's just it just doesn't happen that
way anymore.

Speaker 10 (01:03:19):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 25 (01:03:20):
I look, but I also think that we can accept
that we were we were. We can accept when we're
beaten by a better side. And look, South Africa, they
were anybody in the world absolutely brilliant. On said that
second forty as good as a forty minutes I've seen
from any team coming to New Zealand ever, So we
can say, yep, we were beaten by the better side.
But I think that what's got people gnashing their teeth

(01:03:41):
a bit is the manner of the defeat in the
second half and the capitulation really, which is the only
way you can describe at thirty six unanswered points. You know,
all Black teams in the past have been beaten by
better sides, but they they haven't rolled over in the
fashion that the All Blacks did.

Speaker 10 (01:03:58):
Rather worryingly, Yeah, well is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
It worrying in the sense that we were sort of
we weren't angsting to the same level Andrew. But but
when we got beaten by the Argies with it onto
other records on the line at the Garden of Eden,
and then we come out and it's just one for
the Ages.

Speaker 15 (01:04:14):
And that was that was they were mentally up Forreedom Park.
Clearly the Eden Park record Artie save as one hundreds.

Speaker 10 (01:04:19):
They were hunt for it.

Speaker 15 (01:04:21):
First half they looked the cane and then second half
fell apart.

Speaker 12 (01:04:24):
I don't know what it is that this team seems
to be going.

Speaker 10 (01:04:26):
At a half time and then coming out.

Speaker 15 (01:04:28):
Even more confused than the first half. The coaches have
got some real heavy lifting to do. The aerial game
hasn't proved at all. It's gone backwards. And why on
Earth in a game if the aerial game or the
box getting's not working for you, you're not getting the ball back?

Speaker 10 (01:04:43):
Why carry on with it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
These are these are age old question. See, you guys
are much more in the weeds than I am. But
but it seems to me to be an age old
question that the All Blacks never seem to have a
plan B, or if they do have a plan B,
they never seemed to be able to execute it. And
that's been going on since Gris Wiley and I played
Pulled into Maru. But that's for another day. More and
more in a Moment thirteen past eight.

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Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I'll come to the Warriors off. I get time, but
I don't want to run out of time for Noling
Taro or Jason. It's that there's something really wrong with
what's going on with her, isn't there?

Speaker 25 (01:05:31):
Yep, failure at board level. Mike heard you comments earlier,
and I couldn't agree more. I think, you know, for
one of our greatest ever coaches, not just a neple
but full stop, to have been treated in this fashion
and for this to have dragged on like this. Apparently
it was first brought to the attention of the board
earlier in the like, very early in the year, and

(01:05:52):
here we are in what September is We're about to
embark on a very busy back end and this has
suddenly come to light. Look, I I feel like if
Dame Nolen Todo has her coaching methods which have led
to the success that we've had, then yeah, sure she
can't be you know allowed to run rough shot over people.
But I feel as though you embrace her coaching methods.

Speaker 10 (01:06:15):
That's that's my personal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
She's a known quantity. Do you agree said or not?

Speaker 10 (01:06:19):
Yeah? I do.

Speaker 15 (01:06:20):
I've heard Mike that it's there's a there's one particular
senior player who I don't think is in the squad
at the moment anyway, who has sort of been leading
the charge with a couple of others.

Speaker 10 (01:06:31):
Not all of the players agree.

Speaker 15 (01:06:33):
There's several players in the squad who will back Dame
Nole into the helt.

Speaker 10 (01:06:38):
So you've got a bit of an issue there.

Speaker 15 (01:06:39):
But you handle poorly the board and net boyin z
should be excuse me standing behind the coach rather than
just to select few players and look Dame Nolean, Yes,
old school, a hard ass if I can use it again,
but knows she's innovative as well. You've got to You've
got to. You've got to put that in the melt

(01:07:00):
pot two. Mike, and the players know that. And if
they can't, Hagey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Then later couldn't agree more. I want the Warriors. I
thought the game was good Jason the Warriors because it
showed the gap between the Warriors and the top four,
simple as that, and I think we're going to be
any better. We need we need more players, better players,
and improved generally.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:07:19):
Well, Andrew Webster talked afterwards about the missing piece, and
that's a bit vague. I know, I don't know whether
it's it's different players or a search for this consistency
that seems to have eluded them. You know, the Warriors
were in the top four for most of the season
until the back end, and then they kind of fell out,
and that that's that's the problem. If you're outside the
top four, unless you're Penrith, you're not going to advance
too far. So yeah, I don't know what that missing

(01:07:41):
piece is. Having said that, I think we said this
couple of weeks ago, offer a home final two Warriors fans.
At the start of the season, they would absolutely have
taken it. But but after the after the being in
the top four for so long this season, it was
it was a shame that had ended in the fashion
that it did on.

Speaker 10 (01:07:57):
We were only when they lost Mike, when they lost Mitch.

Speaker 15 (01:08:00):
And Luke metcalf see that you reckon, Yeah, I know,
I know we have this debate you and I about
injuries and all teams have injuries. Yes, but I heard
Andrew Whips from with you the other day and he's
very good, very very logical with his reasoning behind behind
injuries and those positions and injuries to those two players.
Hey mate, what about the Broncos Raiders game. It's probably

(01:08:23):
the best rugby league game. The eighty nine Grand Final
will probably never be beat, but that was one of
the great rugby league games of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Do either of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You guys know I agree, Do either of you guys
know much about Ricky Hatton?

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
Watched him as watched them years ago? Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I asked the question, is he retired? Well, he's died
obviously I have not but but he retired at twenty
four and he became a solar panel installer. So was
there not a but he had won at least a
couple of world titles. Is there no money in boxing
at that level? Why is he retiring to be a
solar panel in Stoller?

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
I think he had contract and management issues. Yeah, and
from memory, he did struggle for a number of years
outside the boxing ring. Mike, great shame. He was an
outstanding boxer on his day and yeah, great, great shame.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Interesting because I'm reading about him a likable guy. People
would line up in Vegas. They would line up the
night before, twenty four hours in advance before away in
far less the fight.

Speaker 15 (01:09:27):
He really started that that trend of Poms going over
to Vegas and droves, you know before Tyson Fury, Linux
Looks and Linux lewis similar.

Speaker 10 (01:09:38):
But Ricky Hatton, Yeah, he was very popular exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
You read that article sab over the weekend about christ
j Yeah, I did, Jesus, it makes you want to move,
didn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
It does? Shall we if you're there though?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, but I'd on the other side of town, mate.

Speaker 10 (01:09:56):
See the problem, get in food.

Speaker 15 (01:10:00):
You'd get him first and snap up half the city
and there'd be nothing left to me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
What it said, Jason was it's the place to be.
Do you have forty two thousand people have moved there
from the North Island alone?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Wow, I mean that's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Get That's people, that's Eden.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
They're going to get.

Speaker 25 (01:10:16):
Yeah, they're going to get a lot of test rugby
there over the next few years.

Speaker 10 (01:10:19):
Just on that too.

Speaker 25 (01:10:19):
The Wellington thing, I know, it was talked about a
lot over the weekend that the All Blacks can't seem
to want to test match in Wellington. That's well, but
I get the feeling you know that that Wellington is
gonna is gonna have to fight for test matches.

Speaker 10 (01:10:35):
Dunedin's going to get more.

Speaker 25 (01:10:36):
I think with the roof Christ it's going to get
plenty of the biggest I wonder what Wellington are going
to get in the in the few years ahead.

Speaker 15 (01:10:42):
Jason was just, hey, yes, I know, I know, I
know n r L is different to Test match rugby.
But if the All Blacks need a tip on how
to manipulate defenses, how to use the ball, good point,
how to get him behind rush defenses or fast defenses
and get around teams. Watch the Brisbane Broncos in the
last fifteen minutes or so of that game last night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Was very well said. Nice to see you guys, Jason
Pin and Andrew Savale twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
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put to Nick Palmer, basically alleviates financial pressure, supplements the
travel competition costs that sort of thing. It was independent,
it was collaborative. It's athlete let So what a brilliant idea.
That's good. A couple of good guys giving back Tom
Walsh and Hamish cur.

Speaker 23 (01:12:46):
Nothing for the snooker player of Medicana.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Nothing for the snooker player Glenn of Matticana. Morning Mike
watching the Cowboys play the Giants. It's only week two,
but game of the season?

Speaker 12 (01:12:54):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
The game of the season? Thirty seven all, by the way,
thirty seven all, But it can't be the game of
the seas because of the Giants. And the Giants, as
we all know, are useless, and when the Cowboys struggle
against a useless side, it's not a good season. The
Cowboys already lost last week. Do you know by the
way NFL Chiefs play the Eagles today, Chiefs lost in
week one, the Champions lost in week one. There's zero

(01:13:17):
for one. It's entirely possible they'll lose today. They'll be
zero for two. Super Bowl Champion zero for two. Who
would have thought repentless? Isn't it us? In a couple
of moments benn As Shanahan out of Australia for you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
New statistics for you the median wage across various industries
in this country. So in the last ten years, the
median wage across New Zealand has risen from about sixty
seven thousand dollars to nearly eighty and so Inframetrics have
crunched the numbers, and so we've got data from Stats
New Zealand. So the mean and median income by and
so top five are as follow as you need to

(01:14:03):
be in coal, oil, gas, metal line or all of
that sort of stuff. Because the median wages one hundred
and thirty one hundred and thirty seven thousand dollars computer systems,
design and related services. It's one twenty five exploration and
other mining. So really that's two mining sort of jobs.
In the top three hundred and twenty four auxiliary finance
and insurance services. I don't know what auxiliary finances one

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hundred and twenty four and finance just generally, Well, you
want to be an auxiliar because you earn one hundred
and twenty fours and just plain old finance it's only
one hundred and twenty two. So the auxiliary is the
extra two thousand dollars a year. So there you go.
If you're not earning the money, that's where it is.
Twenty three minutes away from.

Speaker 18 (01:14:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Shater hands with it's out of Australia, body mate mate.
So the new nuclear shipyard it was thirteen point four
billion of your very fine dollars. Richard Miles made the announcement.
So what is it you're doing with it?

Speaker 26 (01:14:57):
Well, this is a big question because obvious it's a
big step. It's a lot of money. It's been dedicated
towards aucus. It's in Western Australia. Very important politically for
Anthony albinat In Richard Marles, but it's all about trying
to say Australia is spending much more on its defense.

(01:15:18):
Richard Marles is as Deputy primission. Defense Minister is saying,
this is putting our spending at two point eight percent
of GDP, much more than than two percent, and getting
towards the three point five that the US wants us
to spend. But there's a lot of questions about this

(01:15:38):
twelve vis in twelve fur envision. They're saying that it's
actually a lot of it isn't going to go towards
the submarines themselves, but a lot towards frigates and landing craft.
That what the government is doing is making promises well
off in the future. A lot of this spending actually
occurs two terms later, so well beyond this term of government,

(01:16:03):
and the critics are saying it's actually not increasing spending
due to he spending at all. Now, this is very
important trance now Alberanasi. He's trying to say we're spending
a lot, and that he's expecting to meet Donald Trump
probably next week, and he wants to be able to
say we're spending all this money. He's also saying publicly, oh,

(01:16:25):
this isn't just about Donald Trump. As well as that
today the PM is going to PNG and they're going
to announce there and you'll treaty in Australian PMNG treaty
on the fiftieth anniversary of the PNG independence, and effectively
the Australian Defense Force and the P and Z Defense

(01:16:46):
Forces will basically merge. We're going to be spending a
huge amount of money providing military assistance and arms to
the pm Defense Force, but there will be this operability
interoperability between the forces. And effectively they're drawing a parallel
with saying this is like a NATO agreement and it's

(01:17:08):
the first a real treaty on this military aspect since
ANDUS in nineteen sixty one. So these are all big
defense elements. The question is is the US going to say, well,
that's enough and except that we're pulling our weight in
the Pacific. As Anthony Albaneta.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Says, let me just come back to the Trump meeting
and just a couple of as regards P and G,
how much of this is about China and sort of
this activity in the Pacific to counteract Then it's all
about China.

Speaker 26 (01:17:41):
Of course, what we've got is we've got problems on
the Australian front line, as it were with the Solomon Islands.
We've seen a huge influence in China. They're Australia trying
to combat influence in the Solomons. We've got Chinese forces
in the Solomons as police forcing and on the other

(01:18:02):
side we've got Indonesia, which is far more ambivalent towards
China than Australia would like. And so this is all
about trying to build literally a military force on our
border in the PNNG, which almost may get And this

(01:18:24):
is the question. Is this a trigger, a NATO style trigger,
so that if the PNNG is involved, threatened or attacked,
does that mean Australia is automatically involved in defending and
in any.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Conflict as regards Trump, is it locked in or not?

Speaker 26 (01:18:44):
Not yet, it looks to be getting more and more.
The word from the back rooms is yes, it's going
to go ahead. Richard Marles has made a trip to
the US. He's been talking about to the US administer
Creation all the time. Obviously they want they don't want
to say there's going to be a meeting and then

(01:19:06):
it not happen. That would be even more disastrous. So
at this stage it looks like it is on, but
they're not going to confirm it to the last minute.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Now I'm interested in this poll this morning. I mean
the two party preferred the still affairly but gap that
both major parties are down a little bit in one
nation is up. But and I guess you go into
the by election over the weekend, the counter by election,
which means very unusual for a government of the day
to flip a seat, which is what they've done. They
seem to be kind of a honeymoon slash magic spell period.

Speaker 26 (01:19:39):
Oh there is Look at the by election was a
state by election. It was a pretty messy one and
so the State Labor Party has picked up a seat
there for the complement, which is very good. But it's
also indicative of the disaster that the Liberal Party is
in across the nation at both state and federal level.

(01:20:00):
And we're seeing real problems in Victoria, New South Wales,
in Western Australia virtually non existent. And the Newspole has
just reflected that sort of feeling of chaos right across
the Liberal Party at all levels in Australia. And what
we've seen the newspoll is at twenty seven percent, the

(01:20:22):
coalition's primary support is the lowest in the history of Newspole.
That's the lowest in it. It got down to thirty
three percent once when after the government had introduced a
new attax and the GST and people were almost rebelling.
And so this is an indication of the big hit

(01:20:43):
of the election. People just don't want to know about
what's happening at the moment. They've said that's it, we've
voted Laboring, we don't want to hear from you, and
all they're hearing from the Liberals is chaos and in fighting.
Susan Lay put in some new people on the weekends,
is promoted to replace Jacenter Price. She's put in the

(01:21:05):
Conservative woman to replace the loss of the Conservative onom
and tried to promote a couple of other women because
ironically she was being criticized for getting read of women
from the front bench and so she's tried to change
things for these figures show that there's it's almost an

(01:21:27):
impossible task.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Away as a pleasure make. We'll catch up Wednesday. Appreciate
it very much. Dennis Shanahan out of Australia for US
this morning. Just on those Labour's Prime has gone from
thirty seven to thirty five, Coalition twenty nine to twenty seven.
It's all gone to one nation. One nation has gone
from nine to twelve. Other parties Greens, one Nation, Independence
have increased four points. Over All, the Greens are down
a smidge and the Independence are up to nine percent

(01:21:49):
eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
I was just watching, by the way, the cow always
got up over the Giants. Not that you care, but
I do. I mean, you're going to win, you might
as well win forty to thirty seven. The Rams won,
so I'm excited about the Rams. I followed the Rams.
Did you have a favorite one team?

Speaker 23 (01:22:14):
Yeah, La, I was going to say, because if it
was the Cowboys, they are of the warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Of very similar really very very similar.

Speaker 23 (01:22:22):
Always promised so much at various tides throughout the season, never.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Quite we're really quite, never quite delivered. I was looking
up funnily enough, this morning, la are playing Detroit. Once
I go on holiday in December, la are playing Detroit
in Los Angeles, and I thought that'd be a nice
Christmas gift, would go to Sofi Stadium. And I was
looking up packages, and you's a lot of money to
go to the football. But it's unlimited beer, wine and

(01:22:48):
soft drinks as part of the packages and food.

Speaker 23 (01:22:51):
Did do you think you'd still get in these days
after all the mean things you've said quite publicly about
certain my ranking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
None of it's on social media official, I'm not on
social media. They'd scream a thing at the phone, they'd go,
how come there's nothing in this phone? Mike the protest.
I'd love numbers. Don't you love numbers? Mike? The protests?
Ten to twenty thousand people? Take a look at the photos?
Two thousand, Max, Do you count them all? Another one
texted me earlier on said he put it into jet
GBT and it came up with whatever it was, two

(01:23:20):
thousand Mike. Millions march in the UK. Nothing in the news,
millions rupped in millions, No mention of the protest, Mike.
Three million people in England? Three million? Any serious? There
weren't three million people match.

Speaker 23 (01:23:34):
So there was Tommy Ronson himself saying claiming the three million.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Probably all his fellow tin hatters are going as I
reckon now, as nineteen million people worked at.

Speaker 23 (01:23:44):
I actually have never really thought that mathematics was his
strong point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Probably there were a lot of people they don't get
me wrong, but there were not three million people. Good news.
By the way, Origin are they're going to fly a
couple of new routes, so don't tell me that regional
air and this may well have come out of the
government announcement the other day, let's hope.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
But anyway, Origine a couple of new roots. So they're
going to go blenh And christ Church and they're going
to go Blenham Palmerston North. They're using their eighteen seater
for that, so a couple of new routes are filling
a gap there. So that's good. And I note also,
and I haven't been on Fiji Airways for absolutely ever,
but the main reason I haven is last time I
flew them, they were shocking. In fact, I didn't know
how shocking. But they were once ranked one hundred and

(01:24:23):
fifth in the world, which is right down there. That
was the they were a three star airline. Skytracks had
them at one hundred and fifth in the world. Service
was poor, their fleet was old and anyway, so if
you go to Fiji you avoided FIGI ways these days.
They won the APEX World Class Airline of the Year award,
which puts them into the top ten airlines in the world.

(01:24:46):
Good Old Fiji, so well done them nine to nine.

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read this morning. That's Stilantis, who are a major car
manufacturer that do all sorts of interesting things, from Maserati
orfer Romeo to the Ram. They've an outsdover the weekend.
They're no longer developing their full size RAM fifteen, very
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product strategy and will discontinue development of the full size bed.
Do you know why? Because no one wants one? Five
away from.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Nine trending now with chameless Warehouse are praying invited would
sail on now?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Well, it's happened again, hasn't happened for a while actually,
and I thought I'd curtailed it. But for the final
time the season, indeed for the whole year. My wife
clearly was filming me this past Saturday night.

Speaker 27 (01:27:01):
Say nice, nice, Oh here we got come on, let
it gone, Get up, go go go, go, go, gotta score,
gotta score.

Speaker 13 (01:27:19):
Yes, yes, put him down for sake, No way, get
up yet time?

Speaker 19 (01:27:31):
Oh what.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
That was bored?

Speaker 7 (01:27:35):
It's voice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
You gotta be kidding me?

Speaker 10 (01:27:39):
For me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
That is for you count Oh my god, that's bullshit.
There's no way that's logistic.

Speaker 23 (01:27:54):
Sounds like a fun evening. I was at the Italian
Film Festival.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Are we Were you swearing like I was?

Speaker 5 (01:28:01):
No?

Speaker 23 (01:28:01):
No, I had a big smile on my face. It
was a very pleasant watch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
It sounds like I live in a misolium, doesn't it?
The echo? What's going on with you?

Speaker 23 (01:28:09):
It's certainly not a petted cell.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
No, not anymore. Not Since I took the padding down,
I decided I wasn't as mad as everyone thought I was,
so I took the petting off back tomorrow. Ellen Davis,
by the way, you know the name Ellen Davies Jonathan
Creek Q. I've been on QI forever. In fact, he's
the original. He's the only original QI still going from
day one anyway, Ellen Davis on the program among other matters.
When we rejoin you tomorrow at six Happy Days

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
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