Full Show Podcast: 23 September 2025

On the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show Podcast for Tuesday the 23rd of September, the money tree from the Government continues to provide, this time for school infrastructure. 

Genesis Energy has struck a deal to provide more coal for Huntly to keep the lights on. 

Kiwi singer Harper Finn is in for a chat and to give us an exclusive sneak peak of his new single 'Satellite' ahead of the release of his debut album. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the Mic asking
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
And welcome Today. The money Tree continues to provide bounty,
this time at schools. Also, the holiday laws get shaken
up today deal for local coal to fire Huntley to
keep those lights on. Half of Finn for a catch
up after eight head of his debut album Catherine Field
as in war Torn cyber hits Europe, Rod Liddles in
the UK Paska, Have you with us Tuesday morning? Our

(00:30):
seven past six. Couple of simple questions I have for
you about the recognition of Palestine? How come the media
are so obsessed about it given most of the country isn't.
We had a poll here the other week forty percent
think we should announce recognition. The rest i e. The majority,
so we shouldn't or we don't know. They don't knows
are a very big number. In fact, do you know why?
Because we've got bigger fish to fry and it makes
no difference. It simply isn't on the radar of most

(00:52):
of us as an immediate actionable thing. The number in
Australia is actually even lower. You may have noticed yesterday
we asked the Prime Minister about a whole bunch of
stuff on this program that I would regard as more important,
things like power generation, pending announcements around reform, dumping of
product onto New Zealand markets by China, fast tracked decisions.
But it was his once again noncommittal comments to Palatine

(01:13):
that our newsroom decided to pick up and run with.
There's a massive disconnect between the media and what increasingly
looks like their obsession and Middle New Zealand, who are
currently more exercised. I bet about the school holidays last
week post cabinet. You had to see it. The journalist's
questioning only came to life. In fact, it became almost
hysterical when Palestine was raised, almost as though there is

(01:34):
one single issue facing New Zealand in twenty twenty five now.
To be fair, the government haven't helped themselves. Dithering, which
is what they've done, doesn't help the media's obsession. Rule
it and rule of that, get on with it. You
cannot tell me. Winston's busy ferreting around the un corridors
as we speak, looking for late breaking takes on an
issue that's remained and will remain unresolved for decades. Clearly,

(01:56):
the National Party, the New Zealand First Party, the Act
Party views differ and they've got to drum up some
sort of deal. I mean, that's MMP. But honestly, what
we say and when we say it changes nothing never
was going to part of the news in its coverage.
And here's the problem. Part of its news and its
coverage is to look through the moment. It's more than
just the hero. And now where does the decision take us?

(02:17):
What changes? What are the material outcomes in this case
on this issue. It's nothing, nothing, nothing and nothing. It's
always been nothing. It's the molehill that got turned into
a mountain and drained far too much energy in the process.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Wow, news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, Fergie's world's coming crashing down around her. If you
thought Andrew was the weak royal link, hold my beer.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Following the information shared this weekend on the Duchess of
York's correspondence with the Jeffrey Epstein, Julia's House has taken
the decision that it would be inappropriate for her to
continue as patron of the charity that wasn't all she
was a patron, but in life the recent revelations, we
have taken the decision that it would be inappropriate for
her to continue to be in associated with the charity.

(03:02):
We'd like to thank her for her kindness and support
in the past.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So there was two charities, there are now four charities
who bailed on at the UN the aforemention, we've got
large swathes of foreign ministers roaming the hall's offering views
on wars. Of it is from Britain, and she's giving
Russia reserve.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
At best, these latest acts are dangerous and reckless. At worst,
they are a deliberate attempt to undermine the territorial integrity
of sovereign nations and European security.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Became Nigel, who increasingly looks like the Prime Minister in waiting,
is extolling the virtues of his deportation plan.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
We will abolish indefinitely to remain as a category in
this country. We are not the world's food bank. It
is not for us to provide welfare for people coming
in from all over the world.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Those and kela as you can imagine not lapping it up.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
What about those who would have to meet higher salary requirements,
what about NHS, nurses, what about cow because what about teachers?
How are they all going to be replaced? So those
are just some of the questions who would it to,
who would it apply?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
But in related matters, Sid who runs the lib DIMS,
makes how interesting point about just who is it that
can work with Nigel in a government. Mainstream politicians of
all their mainstream parties, I think don't want to undermine
our democracy, don't want to take it in the direction
of Trump's America. Like Nigel Farage, I don't think there
are other political parties who want to do that. So

(04:30):
it's the Tories or no one, And I don't even
know the Tories that grip buy it anyway more with
Rod later on for now though that's news of the
world in ninety sixty also hold my view again it's
now seven charities, So it's gone from one to two
to three to four to five to six to seven
charities are going to have no charities live China. By
the way, benchmark lending rates unchanged for the fourth month
in a row eleven past six.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
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Speaker 2 (05:01):
We're standing by for Trump. I'm led to believe it's
about eight o'clock this morning, New Zealand time. But this link,
this is all OURFK stuff, This link between Tayler Old,
Tyleranoal by the way, as a brand, it's it's a
paracetamol basically, but he's named Taylanol and it's linked to autism.
What I'm really interested in is if it's dodgy, which
given it's OURRFK it's bound to be, does that open

(05:23):
this whole thing? I mean, you can't just go around
and say, hey, by the way, we've decided that autism
is caused by Tyler and Old without I'm assuming lawyers
getting involved. Fifteen past second j am My Wealth Andrew
callaher good morning, Good morning, Mike, so huntly, good news,
amazing in the renewable journey. Just how reliant we've become
on cold that big bad as it may, at least
it's local coal.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Yeah yeah, So actually I was making that.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
I was musing about this negative news GDP news last week,
some sort of galvanized response from the government. Hasn't it
in a hospital work, schoolwork? But we really need to
look at things that are going on in the private sector,
and amidst all that negative news, I think this is
a positive news announcement, although there may be different opinions
on it.

Speaker 7 (06:07):
Good news for the ycaddow specifically Huntley.

Speaker 8 (06:09):
So Genesis Energy, who own and operate the Huntley Power Station,
which is a thermal POWERstation, have signed.

Speaker 7 (06:16):
A deal to use local coal.

Speaker 8 (06:17):
Now obviously throws of all sorts of environmental implications, doesn't it.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
But looking at this deal, Genesis Energy has.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Signed a deal for two years worth of local coal
from BT Mining.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Now.

Speaker 7 (06:28):
BT Mining is jointly.

Speaker 8 (06:30):
Owned by the ASX listed Baptist Resources and the local
company Tally's Energy, and they're going to supply about two
hundred and forty thousand tons of coal to the Huntley
power Station. Now, previously Huntley was powered by Indonesian coal.
Before we throw our hands in the air about burning coal,
unfortunately it's part and parcel of the current power supply environment.

(06:53):
I mean Huntley currently burns between three hundred and five
hundred thousand tons of coal a year. That that right here,
and now that's simply to keep the lights on. Because
despite our environment environmental sensibilities, we've got to do this
and different combination of events. I mean, we sometimes have
to burn more mic than that because this is lack

(07:13):
of availability of gas and we can't we don't have
time to go there dry years, low wind levels providing
peak power response, and so we burn coal. Anyway, what
this will do will reduce our reliance of overseas shipments
and it creates some resilience for our power supplying the
event of you know, things like global supply challenges. And

(07:33):
I think it also boosts the economy at a time
when we're potentially losing local manufacturing activities.

Speaker 7 (07:41):
I think that's probably good.

Speaker 8 (07:42):
You know, we have to recognize there is a mountain
of It's not We're not just going down the colt.
There's a mountain of sustainable projects going on in wind
and solar, in geothermal.

Speaker 7 (07:51):
But you know, good for the Waikato.

Speaker 8 (07:54):
BT Mining has got mines at Maramurua and also roto Waro,
which is ten kilometers.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
West of Hunt.

Speaker 7 (08:00):
So look, ye, despite the anks, I think it's good.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Malcolm John's is the head of Genesis. He's with us
after seven thirty this morning. Talk to me about Canterbury.
It's got to be good in Canterbury. Ah, come on,
give me the news from Canterbury.

Speaker 8 (08:11):
He had similar theme here, Mike, terrible GDP outcome. But
there are pockets of optimism, an't There's a business Canterbury.
Canterbury Business survey not all doom and gloom in the
mainland despite the broader ongoing economic pressures. Sixty four percent
of Canterbury businesses, that's two thirds, I'll call that two
thirds expect the economy to strengthen over the coming year.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
More than half of them.

Speaker 8 (08:32):
Fifty five percent plan to hire, which is great, and
fifty nine percent ten to invest in property, plant or
equipment over the next twelve months. Now this is coming
from Business Canoby, they say regional GDP apparently slightly positive.
But according to them, it's the most attractive place in
New Zealand for people to work and live. So you know,
we should set up a bit of a competition there,

(08:53):
shouldn't we, Look, Mike, and I said it last week. Now,
the big smoke Auckland may also be stirring, you know,
maybe coming right.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
Days to sell houses are coming down. Confidence is lifting.

Speaker 8 (09:04):
Canterbury's going well, the agri economy is strong, and hopefully
that sustainable interest rates are going to possibly go even lower.
That's all got to bode well for twenty twenty six,
hasn't it. I mean it must bode well. We must
get there eventually.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Just say all that stuff without quite the hint of
desperation in the events.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
It's the what do you do exactly?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I do hey talk to me about the H one
b's and does India win out of this? Or is
this just sheer panic at the moment.

Speaker 8 (09:32):
So I was keeping an eye overnight Mike on US
shares because there's proposed changes into this H one B visas. Now,
the context here is foreigners work in the US often
work under an H one bvs A. Lots of tech companies,
it's extensively. Trump has proposed a one off f one
hundred thousand US. It's one hundred and seventy thousand Kiwi.
These have been around since ninety ninety.

Speaker 7 (09:51):
It's the main.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
Pathway to the US for highly skilled foreign workers. Just
give you the numbers here, Mike, Amazon, two hundred and
sixty five of these things. Where should to them?

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Last year?

Speaker 8 (10:01):
At one hundred k a pop, that's almost a billion
dollars though over fifty thousand issues. What's interesting, Mike, haven't
got time to talk about now, is that actually it
may favor Australia New Zealand because Australia's and New Zealanders
can actually access the US via a different visa. But
that's a bit of a story for another day. There's
a there's the truck. They're called E ones, E twos
and E threes could actually make Australation workers easier to use.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Interesting. What are the number ten the.

Speaker 8 (10:26):
Dow Jones forty six thousand, three hundred and seventy four.
That's up sixty points point one three percent, So actually
those those tech company share prices haven't really been affected
by the actual one B visa.

Speaker 7 (10:38):
The S and P five.

Speaker 8 (10:38):
Hundred point three seven percent sixty six eight eight and
the Nasdaq is up two thirds of percent twenty two thousand,
seven hundred and eighty two overnight. Small gain in the
Forts one hundred point one one percent, nine two to
six quarter percent, gain in the NIK forty five thousand.

Speaker 7 (10:54):
Four hundred and ninety three.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
Point two percent gain in the Shanghai Composite three eight
two eight Eossie's gained point four to three of percent yesterday,
closing at eight eight one o on the A six
two hundred the n s next fifty thirteen thousan one
hundred and forty one. We lost ninety points point six
eight cent chemi dollars. Still weaker against the Earth five
point five eight six'. Eight we're also wallowing against The
aussie dollar point eight eight ninety five point four ninety

(11:20):
seventy five against The euro point four to, three four
to one against the pound eighty six point sixty Six
japanese end gold still surging new all time Highs there three,
thousand seven hundred and forty SIXTY us. DOLLS a break
proved a little bit, lower sixty six dollars and fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
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(11:54):
lot of attention because nanime movie is never number. One,
well it was number one again this past. Weekend two
weeks in a. Row it fell seventy six percent from
the opening, weekend but it was still number. One pulled
in seventeen million dollars For friday Through, sunday which means
in total at the domestic box office one hundred and four.
Million forty two percent of Gen z watches, anime and

(12:14):
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(12:54):
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(14:42):
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Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
Been macron the latest to announce it that you in the
recognition Of palestine this morning Sore Catherine field with us
on that shortly if you've missed the news this. Morning
horner is officially gone From Red. Bullies obviously already gone
for most of the, season but officially he's. Gone numbers
all over the. Place somebody is suggesting fifty two million.
Pounds somebody suggested eighty million. Pounds he had five years
left on his contract at about ten million pounds per,

(15:42):
year so he's sort of been paid out his, contract
which is a tremendous amount of money given they also
Paid Sergio perez twenty million. Pounds disappear as. Well it's
a lot of people disappearing and a lot of checks
going out the. Door interesting thing going forward is he's
allowed to lob in somewhere else and the last TIME
i paid in the attention to it appeared to be
it could well be AT Lp so watch the space

(16:05):
twenty three to Seven Money. Matters we like THE cd
Of Michelle bullet's. Gym she is The reservank. Governor of,
course her latest is that the cost of living crisis
is here to. Stay are the vulnerable are set to
be at the. Front part of the advice is to
stop comparing prices to pre pandemic levels because it's never
going to. Change Brad Olsen's implementric's principal economist to and
as well As bradley good, morning good. Morning didn't we

(16:26):
sort of know that BECAUSE i mean outside of fruit
and vegetables and seasonality and, stuff once a price goes,
up no one's bringing it, down are? They?

Speaker 12 (16:34):
Well, generally AND i think most people have got, that
ALTHOUGH i think if you, don't and particularly this applies to.
Businesses if you've got a business out there and you're
waiting for your cost structure and similar to get back
to twenty nineteen, levels you're probably going to go broke
before that, happens because you're, right things just generally don't
go back. Down and, importantly if your inflationary pressures are going,
negative if you've got people that are having to cut,

(16:57):
prices one of course you're not expecting your own way
to be cut back to twenty nineteen. Levels and, two
if a business is having to cut prices that steeply
to stimulate. Sales they're really in the thick of. It
so generally, speaking Although i'm sure everyone Goes i'd love
to have cheaper, prices, normally the reason that you get
cheaper prices is pretty dark economic.

Speaker 7 (17:17):
Times tell.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
You the other thing she said THAT i thought was
interesting monetary, policy and this is part of a growing,
debate AND i see it a little bit here as.
Well monetary policy isn't the driver of the housing. Boom
not that we have a housing, boom but their housing,
boom which counteracts what OUR rbu say is doesn't it
in the sense that they're. Saying but look at the
lower interest. Rates look at the lower interest. Rates that's,
money money in your, Pocket you spend the, money and

(17:38):
off we. Go so who's?

Speaker 12 (17:39):
Right, well, WELL i mean this is the fascinating thing
looking at the two housing. MARKETS i, Mean australia is
hitting a new record just about every. Day New zealand
house prices are sixteen percent below the, peak even though
we've cut interest rates a whole lot. MORE i think
what it goes to show is that when you've got
quite constrained, supply and that's what we're Both New zealand
And australia were before the. Pandemic then when you move

(18:01):
interest rates you're able to see such a bigger spark
up in the housing. Market But New zealand had the
highest levels of building consents in half a, century going
back a couple of, years so we really expanded, supply
which means that we're seeing much less of an interest
rate impact at the. Moment In, australia last year they
hit the lowest number of building consents in a, decade
so thus struggling on the supply. Front it sort of

(18:23):
goes to show, that, yeah interest rates are pretty, important
but so is figuring out how you build the damn.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Things and this is What i'm reading more and more
of in this side of the, economy and this suggesting
that maybe the, role or the value or the weight
of these interest rate cuts from The Reserve bank have
been overstated. Generally do you think that's true to a?

Speaker 12 (18:44):
DEGREE i worry, though that part of this is sort
of feeding into this idea that you, know there's a
really strong wealth effect from the housing. Market if only
house prices would start to pick up a whole lot,
more we would start to see stronger consumer spending because
households feel, better AND i really worry about that as a,
concept like do we really as an economy want to
sit there and, Go, look we're willing to see better economic,

(19:06):
times but at the expense of the housing market and
locking people. Out so as uncomfortable as it, is and trust,
me we're seeing. That i'm actually happy that we're decoupling
housing growth from economic. Growth and, importantly households are still.
Spending that RUBBISH gdp result we got last week actually
still showed that underlying spending activity by households was. Rising

(19:26):
it was that business investment had pulled. Back so on
the whole, again deeply, uncomfortable BUT i think we're probably
going to be in a better place long term from
decoupling those two major economic.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Drivers always a pleasure might go Well Brad, olson Who's
inflementric's principal. Economist it's nineteen minutes away from seven speaking
of things monetary monetary policy without, mates why The Reserve
bank is right to focus on price. Stability this is
the latest report from The New Zealand. Initiative it is
written By Oliver, hunt Which Eric crampton And Bryce, wilkinson
and Unfortunately the biggest mistake they make in the, report

(20:02):
and it's well worth, reading is to be found on
page five where my name is. Mentioned but, anyway be
that as it. May their argument unfairly scapegoated The Reserve
bank unfairly scapegoated for the current recession when it was
simply doing its job of bringing infation under. Control the
government's fiscal policy worked against these. Efforts that's. TRUE i,

(20:22):
mean that's indisputably. True when you Got Grant robinson with
his fire, HOSE i, mean what do you do as
a reserve bank forcing interest rates to stay higher for?
Longer The Reserve bank has been put in a difficult.
Position that broadly is, right but it's well worth reading
the report once. Again from The New Zealand initiative eighteen to, two.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
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Business he's given any and. Farming it makes, sense of.
COURSE i guess Casment field's with us In. France good,
Morning good morning. MAN i don't know if you've got
a poll there In New zealand it was forty percent
people who think we should Recognize. Palestine broadly, speaking here
it's not that big an. Issue In australia it was even.
Lower where would you assess it In? France you, know
is there a frisson about?

Speaker 4 (21:24):
It there? IS i mean there is really a feeling you,
get not just talking to diplomats and think, tanks but
feeling that there is so much happening In gaza that
needs to have a reaction to it that is stronger
than just the words that are coming. Out and also
there's this feeling that there needs to be more of
a counterweight to THE us And israel when it comes To.

(21:47):
Palestine let's not be under any illusions. Here Mike france
realizes that this is not going to change a heck
of a. Lot it's a very small. Step it may
eventually become a medium. Step it could eventually be part
of a pathway to that two state. Solution but for the,
Moment france is saying that it's going, tour it's planning

(22:08):
to formally recognize A palestinian state in the next couple of,
hours and it may well help push, ALONG i feel,
like create parameters whereby there will be a discussion on
some sort of peace. Plan Eventually palestine getting its own,
government its Own you're having the ability to make its own.

(22:29):
Decisions that's where they're seeing. It as you, know let's
not forget what is, it one hundred and forty five
nations at THE un already Recognized palestinian. State so it's
really more a way Of france saying it wants to stand,
up stand With Saudi arabia and make the statement that
something has to be.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Done, okay let me come back to the other war
in just a couple of. Moments i'm just reading the
The have you got your trouble sorted out the airport
yet or the?

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Airports, oh it's still a bit of a backlog on that.
One what we do know about that cyber, attack which
was what Late friday Evening europe time caused enormous disruption it,
was you, know particularly at targeting the check in and
boarding systems used By Colin's aerospace in some, Ways, Yes,

(23:17):
mike you, know there is this annoyance that these major,
airports what was, It, Heathrow brussels And villain were affected by.
It but at the same time there's a lot of
relief that it was only those three airports that were
affected by, this that the contagion didn't. Happen looking at,
It Colins aerospace operates the software systems in about one

(23:37):
hundred and fifty airports, worldwide so you know a lot
of patting on the back that perhaps they did move
quickly they. Affected but the other problem, is of course
you know what caused. It was it with single identity
that did the cyber? Attack was, it you, know a
state actor and or was it something more simple like

(23:57):
a compromised? Update but the big pop, again you, know
we all rely on, airports we all like to get,
away and essentially it means that we're seeing the fragility
of these types of big critical.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Infrastructure ain't that the? Truth so In New York Security
council is going to have a meeting About estonia Or,
russia et. Cetera NATO's going to have a. Meeting so many, Meetings,
catherine does anything actually get.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Done we're now at that moment where we have had
what three incursions in two weeks INTO nato. Territory, yeah
big meeting AT Nato, tuesday that's been called By, estonia,
which of course Last friday, morning THREE MiG thirty One
russian fighter jets entered into their airspace stayed there for

(24:42):
about twelve. Minutes not long after, that there were Two
russian fighter jets Over Polith Economic zone and The baltech.
All you, know everyone's realizing that this is probing NATO's.
Resolve we've had a lot of statements in the last
couple of, Hours, mike from The holes and also from
The brits saying this has got to. Stop there will

(25:04):
come a point of which there will be a. Response
that response is what's on everyone's. Minds what response would there?
Be we saw last Week ITALIAN f thirty five jets
going up to escort Those russian fighter jets out Of estonian.
Airspace what more would there? Be that's the way everyone's

(25:24):
holding their breath.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Back, yeah nice to talk to you for catch. Up
So Katherine field And france by the, Way europe split
as regards THE un and what we're standing by with
so much excitement From winston On saturday, morning how much
of Your saturday morning are you? Canceling by the, way
just this coming, weekend do you want to take In
Winston peter's? Live do you want to have a replay
once he's given a? Speech would you not go to

(25:46):
school sport or weekend sport if you normally go to
the supermarket on? Set are going to delay that so
you can Hear WINSTON'S.

Speaker 14 (25:53):
I think we definitely watch it, live record it so
you can just put it on repeat for the.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Weekend, yeah because of your shorld on, sports sure that
covers you.

Speaker 14 (26:01):
OFF i mean it'd be a sort of a moon
landing kind of a, moment won't it?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Be pretty? Close macron's being blamed for stalling the formal
pledge on the, climate and so in other, Words italy
And poland they don't want deeper, cuts so they haven't
got any. Cuts they were sort of talking about sixty
six point twenty five percent between that and seventy two
point five, percent which is dangerously close to Where australia.
Landed the other day and other words they don't, know
and so none of it's going to come to, pass

(26:26):
and the whole thing's just a lot of hot air
and a lot of meetings and nothing. Changes ten away from, seven.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
The Make Hosking breakfast with A Vida Retirement communities news
togs had BEEN.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I mike not came to Watch winston proclaim to the
world That New zealand supports for Mass, well you don't know.
That winston's having some late breaking meetings of course in
that part of the, world and then he'll report back
to the government, here who will have a special cabinet
meeting to make a. Decision don't you believe? That did
you think we were getting? Played and the whole thing's
been prettydetermined and they're just. Pretending did. You, Hey by the,

(26:58):
way have a look at the last time they voted
in that part of the world and then just tell
me who they voted. For and then once you've worked
out who they voted, for try and convince me that's
not going to be a problem going. Forward mike better news.
Story CAN i suggest Using Phil SPENCER'S TVs at homes
program for. Tourism it's, Amazing yes it. IS i watched
episode two yesterday wanaka Ha hay In. QUEENSTOWN i can't work.

(27:22):
Out the only downside is some of the architects from
the first series have turned up in the second, series
indicating perhaps we've only got three good architects in the,
country which worries. Me or you've got people who can
only afford three good architects in the, country or you've
got a lot of people building beautiful homes they just
don't want to be ON. TV i don't, know but
the same people just keep. Reappearing but ha hai the

(27:43):
beach out Ha hay in the latest episode.

Speaker 14 (27:46):
Unreal could it just be a case of you like this,
house you want to go over to hey and see.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Five away from, seven the ins and the.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Ouse it's the fizz with business favor take your business
product to the next.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Level medium sized businesses in the country but split at the.
Moment on the outlook for the, year THE nyob people
have done the survey five hundred leaders and decision makers
mediums twenty to one hundred. Employees by the, way twenty
to one, hundred forty six percent seen an increase in.
Revenue good thirty percent say the revenue is the, same
so that's seventy six percent of people are either holding
steady or going forward twenty four. Down majority is so

(28:24):
to expect revenue to grow for the next twelve. Months
that's fifty one, Percent so just a majority of. It,
no the less majority's. Majority thirty percent say it will
stay the, same but two thirds have got work locked
in for the rest of the. Year i've got worked
and locked in for the rest of the. YEAR i
Think i'm good for their for rest of.

Speaker 14 (28:37):
Them i'm still on a day by day.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
You, are but you're working. Hard thirty seven percent of
construction and trade businesses say they've got more work lined
up competed with the same period last. Year what concerns
do we? Have, well forty four percent say international banking
and financial stability is the biggest. Concern is? It international?
Banking we've not worried about, That glenn for a long,

(28:59):
period have. We we've put that behind. Us forty three
percent say shipping and financial. Costs forty one percent shipping route.
Disruptions i'd agree with, that, actually thirty three percent geopolitical. Tensions,
See i'd put geopolitical tensions way higher than international. BANKING
i sort of considered them to be the same thing
it could, be but that's because you were permanently confused
just under a. Quarter so they're aiming to grow their

(29:20):
presence domestically as an alternative do. EXPORTING i find that
probably the most interesting part of. That can you as
a business if you're sending stuff off To, Australia china Or,
america suddenly tell you What i'm going to do it,
domestically big, court but always good to get an insight
into the medium sized businesses in this. Country Andrew king's

(29:40):
going to talk to us About oh here we, go
hold On Andrew, King simon wattson ward when it could
be for the. Week Andrew king is going to talk
to us about. Schools but he's In, korea and have
you seen the time and career at the moment he's
joining us from the very early hours of A korean,
morning right after the, news which is Next.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Jesus opinion and everything in, between the mic costing breakfast
With raindrover leading by, Example, news togs dead.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Be seven past seven, yesterday it was health, today it's.
Education more money four hundred and thirteen million of. It
we've got fifty eight million on operating maintenance two hundred
and fifty five for rural and isolated schools one hundred
million over five years for urgent infrastructure. Work Andrew king
is the president of The Rural Schools Leadership, association is with. Us,
andrew morning to.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
You good Morning mike this.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Insite i'm, well thank you this emphasis on rural and.
Isolated is this a sector that's been? Neglected, YES i.

Speaker 15 (30:34):
Would say that there's been a lot of need there
for a long time around basic, infrastructure and the cost
of getting trades people out there has been an, issue
AND i think this will boast and enable schools to
get things done.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Good do you have a specific sense of what it
literally buys you and what it actually?

Speaker 15 (30:51):
Solves not, yet BUT i guess the devil will be
in the, detail which has yet to. Come but there's
a lot of things that we're trying that rural schools
try and do on their. Own but of course you
don't have the economies of scale when you're trying to
individually purchase drainage or lighting or carpet or. Whatever and

(31:11):
so this program Coordinat Atika hurd on you that's getting
extra investment will enable schools to pull together and get
things actually.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Done that's. ENCOURAGING i don't want to make it too,
political but when the, government the previous government was spending
money like there was literally no, tomorrow how come none
of this got? Done? Then if this is just repair, work.

Speaker 15 (31:30):
Well the program was put in place in twenty, TWENTY
i think it. Was but this has boasted the boasted the. Fund,
really it's put extra money in there so more things
can be done through.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
It because the difficulty is that how much of its
patchwork versus how much of it's actually enhancing or improving.
Something that's a very good.

Speaker 15 (31:51):
QUESTION i think it is pretty much basic services to ensure.
THAT i think what's happened in the past as rural
schools have not got things done simply because of the
cost of getting trades people out there to get the work.
Done so a lot of it is basic. INFRASTRUCTURE i
think it might also include things like water services and effluent,

(32:14):
services which is a big issue and need for rural
schools to get up to.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Scratch While i've got you the sector changes coming in
from The minister in terms of, subjects, curriculum et. Cetera
are you broadly on?

Speaker 15 (32:24):
Board, yeah broadly on. Board, yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Good appreciate you getting up early. Too that Is Andrew,
king who is the president of The New Zealand Rural
Schools Leadership association WITH us out Of South. Korea he
is a, nominee of, course for The Simon Watts list
of getting up early in the. Morning the recipient so,
FAR i will give you in just a couple of,
moments non minutes past Seven Pasky Holiday zac shakeup coming.
Today they're looking to simplify the law reduced compliance burdens

(32:50):
move to AN ow based a crural model for. Leve
allan McDonald as The Employer's Manufacturer's Association head Of advocacy
and is with. Us, ellen very good morning to. You
are you hopeful? Today?

Speaker 11 (33:01):
OH i think we are and just really looking forward
to getting this out of the. Way it's been a
long a few years trying to get this thing.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Done do you think it will be? Done do you
have a sense of what's? Coming have you been given
a heads up or?

Speaker 3 (33:12):
No?

Speaker 11 (33:13):
OH i think a couple of the key things that
we're after we'd like to see comment will come in
and that day will be the hour of your cruel
that you referred to earlier which just simplifies everything for
employers and takes the thing out of the back pay
issue that we've got at the. Moment and ALSO i
think the reduction a certain moment part and casual. Workers
part time and casuals get ten days. Sickly that came

(33:35):
in at the end OF, covid and we've been asking
since then or before then for pro rata for part
and casual, workers AND i think we'll get that.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Too so when that's, announced will you have twenty four
hours at the union screaming and that'll be?

Speaker 16 (33:47):
THAT i don't.

Speaker 11 (33:49):
KNOW i think there will be some political trade, off
but actually both employees and employers benefit from. This there's
a couple of little swings and roundabouts where employees will
get a a slight list in one of the part
payments they. Get also they get their sickly even their
annual eve and toitlements from day. One at the moment
you have to wait for twelve.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
MONTHS i, Look i'm completely out of touch with this
Because i've only ever been employed on a contract AND
i GET x number of dollars a year to turn
up and talk to people like. You and that's the.
Beginning the middle and the end of, It And i've
always enjoyed that because it's incredibly simple and you know
where you. Are is employment in this country too?

Speaker 11 (34:25):
COMPLEX i think the holiday's, actors AND i think everybody,
agrees because it's cost some businesses tens of millions of,
dollars it's cost others tens of thousands of. Dollars and
of course the government's got two point two billion set
aside from back pay on holiday pay in the public
sector and both in education and the health.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Sector and so does that flush through today with time
with the, Changes in other, words you will solve that
problem as of today or the, changes, yeah or or. Whenever,
yeah but it'll take.

Speaker 11 (34:54):
Time it's about probably two years away from getting the
legislation in place because you've got to rewrite software and
all that kind of. Stuff and then there's a transition.
Issue so what actually happens with all those historical, claims
because you can go back six, years SO i would
imagine that might be where some of the tension comes. From,
WELL i don't think they'll do away with the six
year's ability to claim back, though so but we'll.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
See all, right let's see what happens to day two
o'clock this. Afternoon i'm Told allen, McDonald excuse, Me employers
And Manufacturers, association head of, advocacy twelve minutes past. Seven,
yes as Regards Simon, watts just to bring you up
to speed if you missed it at the. Time third Of,
september we, said, Hey, sich come on the. Program he,
Goes i'm In, canberra as though that's the. Thing so
he would need to be up at five point thirty

(35:38):
in the, morning as though that's a thing, anyway wouldn't
come on the. Program so we've just gone around and
just got people in far flung parts of the world
to come on the program in the early. Hour so
ninth Of, September Billy moore from The Airport's association got
up at ten to four in the. Morning In. China
eighteenth Of, September Paul SPAIN i remember it. Clearly he
was In. Singapore so he's up at three point. Fifteen
nineteenth Of. September Mark, Patterson Associate minister A bag he's

(36:01):
up until midnight In. China and the twenty third Of
September Andrew, king as you've just, heard he came on
at four o'clock in the. Morning In South. Korea so
we've got some good exciting. People Now i've also got
some very interesting news for you that's embargoed until five to. Eight,
now they shouldn't present me with embargoed, material because especially

(36:22):
something as stupid as five to. Eight who invented an
embargo at five to? Eight, Now i'm going to ponder,
this And i'm going to think to myself whether or
NOT i should be breaking the embargo BECAUSE i tell
you something it's. Interesting thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
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(37:04):
Up wake up and join the news. Program. Phil we
have the person in the. Arter it was announced, Yesterday.
Philly you're not up on the. News the news is
nothing but good for. You more shortly, meantime seventeen pass
were forecasting and improvement in the Forecast earth. Scientists they've
got a new supercomputer they're called It, cascade USES ai
to predict the weather. Patterns the claimers that can produce
a five day forecast as good as a two day.

(37:26):
Forecast but then the next, question, obviously is a two
day forecast really any? Good Chris brandolino as new as principal,
scientist and as with, Us, chris good, Morning, hey good morning.
Mate is a two day any?

Speaker 9 (37:37):
GOOD i?

Speaker 10 (37:40):
Think?

Speaker 9 (37:40):
So why?

Speaker 6 (37:41):
Not?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well because sometimes it's, wrong.

Speaker 9 (37:46):
That's a negative way of looking at. THINGS a lot
of times it's.

Speaker 17 (37:49):
Right so what do we?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Do what do we base the ratio? On if it's
right more than fifty, percent then it's more right than it's.
Wrong so that's fair enough as it.

Speaker 9 (37:59):
Well look of mine is their. Skill there is skill
in weather. Forecasting it's not. PERFECT i mean part of it.
Is you, know if you ask a, person you, know
what do you define a perfect? Forecast IF i say
it's going to be twenty one degrees In auckland in
The hits twenty.

Speaker 17 (38:11):
Two is that?

Speaker 9 (38:11):
ACCURATE i would think that's pretty dark, accurate you know
WHAT i?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Mean the scale up we've got here in. Sophistication is
this just going to go exponential AS ii builds and.

Speaker 9 (38:19):
Grows, YEAH i think the big Thing i'll Guess i'll
answer it this. One i'm not a supercomputer. NERD i
wish it, was but anonymal weather. NERD i think one
of the main things to kind of tell you and
your listeners is that this Supercomputer cascade is about three
times more powerful than its. Predecessor so it does computing
speeds of two point four ready for this, Petaflops and

(38:40):
you're probably, wondering what the heck is a? Petaflop so
imagine if the Entire, earth about eight billion, people everyone
was doing three hundred three hundred thousand calculations per second
at the same. Time that's the capability of the. Supercomputer
and because and the reason we need THAT mic is
because data is become king or QUEEN i, suppose and

(39:01):
with so much more data coming, in we need to
leverage that. DATA i think the Analogy i've been, using
which may, resonate is that imagine a restaurant getting a
brand new, kitchen and that kitchen really increases the. Capability
the oven cooks, faster so you get the dishes out.
Quicker you have better tools things like, that so you're
able to operate more effectively and do different things that
maybe you wouldn't be able to do.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Before, yeah what's maximum value from a commercial scalable point of?
View given WHAT ai is going to do is in
a five day, forecast seven, day ten, day one, month team.

Speaker 9 (39:29):
Year WHAT i think it's all of, That SO i
guess to take you on a bit of a. Journey
so one of the things we can do now with
our high res, model which goes out to your favorite
time span it sounds like two. Days that used to
run on the old, supercomputer it will take one hundred
and eighty. Minutes now it takes eighty, Minutes so that's. Better.
Okay what about longer range? Predicting so most times when

(39:51):
people go to an, app they you, know look at
their favorite weather. App that's what we call. Deterministic that's
simply one outcome and that's, Okay but in, reality there's
a lot of outcomes that could. Happen so we have
an ensemble model that has eighteen different. Outcomes we're going
to expand the rectangle it looks at Over New zealand
to go up to The, pacific To New, caledoni out
To Aussie melbourne and down to The Southern, ocean so

(40:14):
BETTER i guess larger area we're monitoring in terms of
modeling with our, ensemble and then over the next year or,
so we're going to be looking to increase that from
five days to ten, days so we're gaining not only
areas to get insight, on but also the time ten
days and then there's longer longer, rains forecasting five, weeks six,
weeks and getting a better understanding of what themes may

(40:34):
be come in their way FOR i think for planning
and getting some heads up as to, hey in three
or four weeks there's a signal that it could be
really dry or on the other end of the, spectrum really,
wet and then monitoring that and getting people prepared for
potentially some large scale big weather events or things like
dryness or.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Drought fantastic like your. Passion Chris, brandelina who's the need
of principal scientist with us this. Morning we had claim
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together a powerful team for increasing your. Profitability pasking. Four
more than a quarter of kids are struggling for. Food
that's what The selles told us. Yesterday more than the
quarter of kids are struggling for. Food they talk of food.
Security it's, bad according to The, sellies and it's getting.
Worse are they telling us over a quarter of? Kids
twenty seven percent of, kids to be, precise can't get. Food,

(42:31):
now the definition they use is The United nations one
people having access to safe and nutritious food towards a healthy.
Life now that's the problem with people like The sellies
quoting groups like The United. Nations what THE un mean
in that circumstance is the sort of food security you
have In GAZA i eat, none or floodplain regions or
drought prone. Regions that definition is not designed for Wealthy

(42:54):
First world, countries of which we are. One SO i
feel The sellies are mis interpreting what the un means
and using it for political, purpose i. E the idea
that we can't get access to. Food they then claim
or make some claims around, cost which is of course
different to, access ALTHOUGH i suppose technically cost can prevent
access in the sense you can't afford. It they cite, meat,
dairy fruit and vegetables as part of what's gone. Wrong

(43:17):
but just quickly they, argue and this is the really dangerous.
Part the food we sell to the. World this is their,
push the food we sell to the world should be
prioritized first to. Locals here they don't for a moment
suggest who would pay for, that Although i'm guessing they
think the. Government yet, again so the major income earner
for the country should be adjusted until we all get
the meat and butter that we. Want is that what

(43:38):
they're saying, anyway they claim on, dairy meat and vege, dairy,
yes we know. Why that's actually good for the. Country, meat,
well that can be, expensive doesn't have to be that,
Expensive and fruit and vegetables is actually not as they
claim up in. Price in, fact if we look at
the latest, numbers a lot of it's down and any given,
season fruit and vegetables can in fact be a, bargain of,
Course so the upshot of their plea is it is

(44:00):
as always driven by emotion not, fact and to be.
BLIND i don't actually believe in excess of a quarter
of all kids in this country don't get. Food do
you believe? That do you believe that twenty seven percent
of kids in this country don't get access to? Food
part of, it of, course will be bad parenting and
bad choices to solve a, problem you, see if there
is indeed a problem at, all you need fact and
an understanding of the, fact and logical sensible, solutions not

(44:22):
a motive clickbait alarmism that doesn't stand up to. Scrutiny
this is a.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
News talk said be developing?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Story is that an overuse of a developing? Story, Sting
i'm just here goes we have to find. Out here
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Speaker 18 (44:40):
Palestine, nothing nothing justifies the ongoing war In. Gaza, Nothing
on the, contrary everything compels us to definitively and. It
since we didn't do it, earlier we must do this
to save.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Lives this is.

Speaker 18 (44:55):
WHY i declare that Today france recognized the state Of.
Palestine OH i love that.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
At THE u In mama love a bit of. That
so That's, macron That starmer was there somebody else that
was a third person sometime this week coming? UP i
mean apart From. Winston obviously it's the whole. World Who.
Australia well they already did, it didn't. They so that's
three so we stand by From winston see other overused
line of the. Week, honestly when the media he says

(45:24):
the world is watching, us does anyone actually believe that?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
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Order to catch up With Hartman finn in the studio
after eight o'clock this, morning twenty three to. Eight good
news for The indonesian col. Haters we've got a deal
For huntley with some local coal to generate the. Power
genesis AND Bt mining have signed a two year deal
to supply two hundred and forty thousand tons of the.
Stuff In Malcolm john's as THE ceo Of Genesis energy
and as well As malcolm, morning good, morning how are
you very? Well? Indeed how come this has said this

(45:59):
is not a, criticism just a general. Inquiry how come
this has taken so? Long given the number of Texts
i've got From indonesian coal and the coal haters and,
stuff why haven't we gone local ages?

Speaker 19 (46:07):
Ago, well we've bought all the local coal that we've
been able to put Through huntley up until this, point
and that's been about ten thousand tons a. Year we
now have a supply that's around ten thousand tons a
month and is economically competitive With indonesian. Coal so we've
gone ahead and signed an.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Agreement how does that? Unfold is this a deal to
potentially go, forever a deal to potentially increase sort of
phase out with time as we go more.

Speaker 19 (46:35):
Renewable, well we've always focused on Purchasing New zealand coal
as a. Priority it has to be economically competitive with
other coal because we've focused on the price of electricity,
ultimately and as the gas has begun to retreat here
In New, zealand we've had to use more coal to replace.
That when the wind doesn't blow and the rain doesn't.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Come do we get to a point and if it,
is when is? It as the gas runs out but
the renewables, increase that we're all, renewable no, gas no.

Speaker 19 (47:04):
Coal it's, unlikely just because of the fact that we
rely so heavily On Mother nature to deliver, rain wind and.
Sun but we will become more renewable as we go,
forward so we'll we'll use less gas and less, coal
but when we need, it we'll need quite a lot of.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
It how worried about gas are? You?

Speaker 19 (47:24):
Very you, know gas has been producing between six and
eight percent Of New zealand's electricity every year for a long,
time and it's no longer available to do, that and
that's causing less electricity in the, system and that's leading
to the price pinchers that we've seen over the last
twelve months or.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So and these reports that we keep hearing about with
the there seems an element of. Alarmism in other, words
we're finding this out as we go. Along it's getting
worse by the. Day is that what the industry sees as?
Well in other, words you learn as we learn.

Speaker 19 (47:54):
Pretty much basically all our fields are reaching end of,
life particularly offshore fields and off Field, sorry an end
of life field has become far less predictable and you're
prone to sudden declines like we've experienced over the last
twelve to eighteen.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Months and so when you say end of, life you
don't mean literally no. Gas you just mean that the
demand outstrips the.

Speaker 19 (48:13):
Supply, No i'm meaning that as a gas well comes
to the end of, life it's, production its production becomes,
unpredictable and it will at some stage cease to. Produce.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Wow so given our, predicament where does that leave coal long? Term?

Speaker 19 (48:29):
Well at the, moment we're effectively leaning back on coal
to secure our electricity system because we're able to do.
That we're very lucky that we're able to do, that
otherwise the energy crunch we're in would be far more.
Significant but, obviously AS i, said you, know gas has
played two critical. Roles one is it's delivered base load
electricity about sixty eight percent of. It and then we've

(48:50):
used it to back up the hydro lakes during dry,
years and it's just simply not available to do that.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Anymore and As huntley up to this going forward and
in an increase in capacity or Not.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Huntley is at capacity in terms of its ability to
secure the electricity, system there will need to be other
interventions going forward to secure the. System for, example we
Have oney four hundred megawatts of wind. Generation we can
lose ninety percent of that in a wind, hole And
huntley can only provide around seven hundred and twenty megawatts of.

(49:22):
Backup so seven hundred and twenty plays fourteen. Hundred you
can see the maths don't.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Work so where DO i with the potential for implortation
of gas that the government raised about a year.

Speaker 19 (49:33):
Ago, well that's been looked. At it's a difficult, proposition
but ultimately some form of gas supply or some form
of coal supply is going to be essential to securing
a high renewable s grid at least for the next
ten to fifteen, years because you, know we're a small
island and sometimes it doesn't, rain and when you get

(49:54):
a break high pressure system over the, country the wind stops.
Everywhere and so that's the reality of a high renewables
grid as you're going to have to secure it with SOMETHING.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I like, nuclear AND i have for, years And i'm
Assuming i'm completely wasting my time even having the conversation
of this, country BUT i look to the world and
nuclear is back and back in a big. Way have
we missed a trick or were we never in the.

Speaker 19 (50:15):
Game, well nuclear is not lawful In New. Zealand it's
not something anyone That i'm aware of is looking, at
although there's a lot of research going on into different
types of nuclear and different scales of. Nuclear and you,
know that's something that the rest of the world is looking.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
At and are they doing that in a sense of
some wisdom that we may, regret do you think or?

Speaker 19 (50:40):
Not, WELL i, think particularly AS ai and data centers
begin to populate the, world energy is going to become
something that is critically challenging for a high technology. Future
and every, country Every western country in the, world is
grappling with the challenges That New zealand is grappling with
as we transition our energy.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Systems, well, exactly, so if we transition ours using more
coal At, huntley how do we bring in these data
centers and run THE ai when we can barely run.

Speaker 19 (51:06):
Ourselves, WELL i think it's important to remember that we've
got more than enough renewable opportunities and more than enough
people wanting to invest in those renewable opportunities to meet
all of that demand in the. Future what we're talking
about is how we bring energy security into that and
that's a role That huntley. Plays as we build more,
solar we'll be able to use our hydro lakes more

(51:27):
to do that job as. Well so no one thing
is going to solve. This it's going to be a
range of options that are needed to secure a high
renewable energy.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
System always enjoy the, chap malcomppreciate. It Malcolm john's who
is The genesis chief, Executive Mollie, mike surely a couple
of nuclear power stations are becoming a no? Brainer, no
they won't be in this. Country you won't even have
the conversation. Guarantee it's a boat we will miss in
thirty years, time twenty years, time we will regret, it
mark my, Words. Mike we're lucky to still Have. Huntly
The key government had a quote on decommissioning the power

(51:58):
plant when they held the. Power it's, interesting isn't how life?
Turns and where once coal was hated and it needed
to be gotten rid of, forthwith And huntley was a,
geriatric old facility that could be pushed into the river
and never to be thought of. Again and yet all
of a, sudden look how reliant we are on. It seventeen, too.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
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Speaker 2 (52:22):
Be fourteen away from A kimmel's back as of tomorrow.
Night so that's a that's a major the theory or
thinking has just literally been. Announced but the theory is
That disney they were taking such a hit from cancel
subscriptions billions of, dollars so they. Panicked business is, funny isn't?
It what happened to morals and? Business so what happened

(52:43):
to the morals of the business when initially they decided
to pull them because they were under threat from the
what's it called THE, cia whatever the hell the FEDERAL.
Faa so where were the morals? Then and then all
of a, sudden the bottom lines at where are the morals? Now,
SO i, mean what is they're backing free? Speech they
into free speech and not really, well they're into the bottom.

(53:03):
Line you can't bang, morals, mate you can't think, no
that is. Free you. Can't you can't get an overdrivet with. Morals,
now Technically i'm breaking the, embargo but you, know this
is this is this is actually a really interesting piece of.
News so there are two new skilled migrant residence. PATHWAYS
i think the speech has been given twenty minutes, ago
so who. Cares two skilled migrant resident pathways have been

(53:26):
announced this. Morning this is all part of the. Government
the government are turning on the taps big time to
get people into this country to grow the, economy and
not a moment too. Soon so we've got two new
skilled migrant resident pathways as of mid next. Year Skilled
Work Experience, pathway so skilled roles who have at least
five years of directly relevant work, experience including at least

(53:48):
two years of experience here where they've been paid at
least one point one times the median. Wage so barely.
HIGH i, mean it's hardly big. Money Is it's not
like AN h ONE PVISA b or whatever they call
it In. America then you've got Your trades And technician
pathway migrants and specified skilled roles who hold a relevant

(54:08):
qualification at level four or above or have at least
four years of relevant post qualification skilled work, experience including
at least eighteen months In New zealand where they've been
paid at or above the median. Wage so those are
the two areas they're opening up. To that is good
comes off the back of WHAT i thought was quite
a nice idea from some people running a cafe In,
wellington who, go, look you've got to give us a.

(54:31):
Pathway you've got to give us some. Help we literally
cannot get New. Zealanders are there New zealanders who could
be waiters and? Waitresses are there people who learn to
be a barista and working? Cafes, yes of course there
are tens of thousands of. Them are They? No so
the tricky part is what does the government do about?
That do they force people into the hospitality to help
these people, out or as The wellington cafes, arguing give

(54:52):
us an official, pathway there are people from offshore who
want to come, in who want to make hospitality a
career for. Themselves one of the pathways, is of, course
you come in and buy your own, business you, know
put your family and kids in there and run your
own cafe and do it that. Way but you, know
for people who just want to work in a, cafe
it's a real problem getting, workers and so their argument
is let's create a. Pathway. Now the twist of the,
story and the Reason i'm reasonably interested in, this is

(55:14):
That winston hasked the agree to, disagree WHICH i Think
i'm right in saying has not happened. Before active done
IT i think. Twice But New, zealand, FIRST i don't
think have done it. Anyway they've got. Problems they're concerned
that those who gain residency will become citizens and then

(55:35):
using The New zealand passports will leave for fast tracked
visas In. Australia New zealand is being used as a
stepping stone Into, australia AND i think the stats as
they currently stand would prove that to be. True and
so if you can come To New zealand and get
easy access and become you, know a whatever next Stop,
australia then leaders might have a. Point but that's this morning's.

Speaker 14 (55:58):
Annow it's actually the second time they've used. It they
used it last year with THE covid inquiry when they.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Decided so is that two For act and two For
New zealand? FIRST i think that. Is we'll come back
with official confirmation of that in the. Moment Tender way.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
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Speaker 2 (56:17):
Is From disney Which JONES Abc Jimmy Kimmel live would.
Return show would resume. Tomorrow Last, wednesday we made the
decision to suspend, production and we got the two and
two confirmation on two For act and to The New
zealand first yet we have, okay it's two and. Two
so Last wednesday we made the decision to suspend production
on the show to avoid further inflaming a tense situation

(56:38):
and an emotional moment for our. Country it's a decision
we made because we felt some of the comments were
ill timed and thus and. Sensitive, really so we're just
pulling television shows off when we're a bit and? Sensitive
are we to give me.

Speaker 7 (56:48):
A break too?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Soon does anyone believe this? Crap we've spent the last
days having thoughtful conversations With. Jimmy what they mean is
his lawyers have been hounding us the whole, time and
after those, conversations we reached the decision to return the Show. Tuesday,
previously of, course they said he would have to publicly.
APOLOGIZE i assume he's not going to do that because

(57:12):
he didn't really do anything that outrageous and we all know.
It and that's the difficulty of all of the speaking
of the. Media just a couple of things THAT i
need to inform, you but be get your feedback. On
so The Prime Minister's, office i read in The herald this,
morning is refusing to release communications Between Christopher luxen and
an individual associated With Travis. Kelcey this goes back to

(57:36):
the wedding, announcement the engagement, announcement When luxon said there's
no better place Than New zealand to hold their wedding
or have their. Honeymoon kelsey And, taita he said in a,
speech this Is, luxon one of my best friends In
america is actually in business With. Travis so The herald
requested that communication With kelsey's business partner under The Official Information.
Act my, question my main question here is is that
an abuse of The Official Information. Act, mean, honestly one

(57:59):
of the problem you have with The Official Information act
in this country is getting access to. Information and part
of the argument is they'll argue they be snowed, under
and they're snowed under with a sort of. Crap so
the guy, said you, know it was a nice thing to. Do,
anyway The prime Minist As office said they're refusing it
because the communications referenced in the media was seen and
received By luxeon in his capacity as a private, individual

(58:21):
not as a prime minist which seems, legit but, REALLY i,
mean we just officially information grabbing everything these.

Speaker 14 (58:28):
Days being stupid and, pointless the same as.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Abusing it's not a bad. Question we'll have some thoughtful
conversations about, It, glenn and see if we're here. Tomorrow
independent review by the, way By Television New, zealand this
is the one to really get you racked up this.
Morning so are they biased AS tv AND z news. Biased,
no that's official because they've done their independent review this,
morning only minor, issues no evidence of systemic bias or

(58:53):
lack of. Impartiality they are also refusing TO i hope
the heroes listening to. This they're refusing to release the,
report so obviously The herald straight onto The Official Information.
Act the review includes comment on SPECIFIC tv, EMPLOYEES tv
and said, employees so they don't want that release into
the public. Domain it was done by a FORMER abc
AND sbs executive guy Called Allen, sunderland WHO i know
not of. Him the review took place over a seven day,

(59:16):
period which doesn't sound particularly comprehensive to. Me seven, days but,
anyway be that as it. May here's my main. Point
the point is, this if you BELIEVE tv one is.
Biased you BELIEVE tv one is, biased and no one
Called allen is going to write a report to change your,
Mind is it? Really if you've, decided you've. Decided So
one then, wonders what was the point of the report

(59:36):
so that we can all sit around and, go, yes
they are, no they're, Not, yes they, are, no they're.
Not well they sort of. Are well what about that
time they were that, well yeah that was that's. True but,
no it's not that, bad isn't? IT A Harper finn
is back in the studio in a couple of moments
ahead of his debut, album and in THAT i think
is a little bit of a. Story news is, next.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Day harpera catch up with half Of ferdon could have
sworn when he was last year he was talking about his.
Album but that can't be right because his debut he
comes up next. Month Solo park is accompanied by a
couple of shows in the, country and half Of finn
is back with This good, Morning morning. Mate right since
we were last, Talking, yes you told me you lived In.
Dumbo is It? Dumbo, Yes, dumbo not? Anymore, no well

(01:00:29):
you move your upper east side now lower east, Side so,
yeah lower east, side the lower east side of the. Island,
yes very. Nice is That is that sort of a
move in the right?

Speaker 16 (01:00:37):
DIRECTION i think so once you cross the river and
you get a little bit closer to the. City for,
me at least coming From New, ZEALAND i think the
idea Of New york has Always manhattan being amongst the sized.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Skyscrapers because since we last, TALKED i went To New
york AND i ended up In. Dumbo oh, yeah and it's.
Beautiful it is, fantastic all the whole area. Is it's
just it's, creative, vibe, nice nice place to.

Speaker 16 (01:00:59):
Live oh, yeah the markets there is a really fantastic
market they have on the weekends underneath the archway in
the under the. Bridge so it seems it's a really
good spot to kind of see the city because you
need to, be of, course on The brooklyn side to
really see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
The hundred percent. Gate do you Think New york is you?
FOREVER i think. SO i miss.

Speaker 16 (01:01:14):
It it's a place that you kind Of i've heard
it can be kind of addicting in a way where
you sort of you need it every so. Often but for,
ME i feel very at home. THERE i, think you,
Know i've spent three years there, now so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Now the arduousness of, it the.

Speaker 16 (01:01:27):
Grind, yeah the sort of was saying this to someone last,
NIGHT i think your tough days In New york are
like tougher than anywhere else in the, world but then
your great days, are you, know super. Great so it
sort of feels like you're kind of the highs and
the lower it's quite, volatile kind of sling swing ups and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Downs. Fantastic so you're. Back so last time we talked
it was AN. Ep so we've got the. Album the
debut album's taken a bit of time TO i, mean
so when did you win that The Best Breakthrough? ARTIST
i won that in twenty twenty, one so we've been
waiting for. You have you broken? Through was?

Speaker 18 (01:01:57):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah that's it's.

Speaker 16 (01:01:58):
FUNNY i, mean you, KNOW i went to The states
to sort of effectively start, again because you, know not
many people knew WHO i was In, america So i've
kind of taken the time to you, know put myself
through an experience that really challenged me and just sort
of built myself back up, again similar to moving to
a new. SCHOOL i sort of thought it's that idea
of having to reintroduce yourself and sort of build yourself back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Up and you, know that was a part of WHAT
i wanted.

Speaker 16 (01:02:19):
To do for this record BECAUSE i think after the,
award you, KNOW i sort of felt, like you, know
sort of in THOSE covid, years sort of, plateauing feeling
like the scenery was feeling the. SAME i needed to
have another, experience a sort of substantial experience to write.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
About. Wow, yeah and So New york does that for?
YOU i, mean goes To New york to experienced, something
don't they BASE i.

Speaker 16 (01:02:38):
Mean three months there is a year's worth of, activity
so you kind of all your, relationships all your experiences
are very. Accelerated so you, know those those three Years
i've spent, THERE i felt Like i've been there for
close to a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Decade and do you did you do this on your?
Own this?

Speaker 16 (01:02:52):
RECORD i worked with a producer Called Sam. Evian he's
An american producer who is based up In, woodstock which
is WHERE i made most of this, Record so you,
know would write about it in the, city or you,
know did all the writing in the, city but then
would go on the train up The Hudson river To
woodstock to work With.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Sam how much did you know About? Woodstock not.

Speaker 16 (01:03:10):
MUCH i, mean you, know found out that the festival
was not actually held In.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Woodstock it was you, know a little bit further up the.

Speaker 16 (01:03:16):
Road but for the sake of the tourism and, whatnot
it's you, Know woodstock Is. Woodstock, YEAH i mean you can't,
really there's probably no more significant place for music in The.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Northeast there is he there because of? That and did
you ultimately record it there because of him or did
you see it as a creative space that you could
get a bit of something. THERE i think, YEAH i
think the latter it. Was there's a bit of a
scene up.

Speaker 16 (01:03:38):
There i'd, say not as many musicians live In New
york as Say Los, angeles but The woodstock a lot
of musicians are sort of moving up there because it's
been more affordable than the. City obviously you get a
lot more, space there's no noise complaints up, there and you,
KNOW i think there's the music history of The BOB i,
Mean Sam, evan he's a Big Bob dylan, fan so
he would he would.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Get on his motorcycle after we would.

Speaker 16 (01:03:58):
Record and just listen to the song weaving through the
streets or, weaving you, know Upstate New.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
York so it was, like you can't really, help but
let that affect the. Music i've never been To Upstate New,
york not that anyone, cares BUT i did see a
Thing Architectural digest do a really cool thing with so
called famous people who let you into their house to
show you. Around Walton, goggins you Know, walton he lives
in Upstate New. York all, Right he's got a magnificent
cabin type thing up. There it looks, beautiful that is

(01:04:24):
What i'm.

Speaker 16 (01:04:25):
Saying, oh it's it's an absolutely LIKE i Think californians
sort of they love to say Our New, york you,
know we've got so much better nature all this THAT
i have to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Say you leave two hours out of the city and you're.

Speaker 16 (01:04:36):
In the, forest in the, woods and there's a thick you,
know green green. Wood so it was quite a magical
kind of journey to leave the city this, concrete gray
jungle and then you move into an actual, forest so
you kind of get best of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Both words when you're. There all, right there's some hold on.
Mate we'll come back to talk about the recording of
the album at a. Moment Halper finn eleven past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Talk Zippy zippy was standing by For trump And tyler
And noll allegedly due fifteen minutes. Ago, also by the,
way it's also been confirmed That trump will not be
Meeting elbow In New. York so that's yet another occasion
where he was going to meet but isn't. Anyway Harper
fins with A Silo park is the, album which is
out next. Month i'll give you the dates on the
shows in a couple of, moments but without getting into

(01:05:20):
the weeds on. This you did this on sixteen track.

Speaker 16 (01:05:22):
On a sixteen track tap tape. Machine, yeah, old, WHY
i Just i've spent to, me that's new. Technology i've
spent my whole life working on, computers quantizing, things making
things perfectly, accurate, mean because it's just sort of the
default when you work on a. Computer so this was
very much an effort to put more humanity back into the.
Music the, imperfections the, mistakes the sort of things that

(01:05:45):
we've in and out of. TIME i feel like we're
really important for me to put on this record because
those you, Know i'm still a young. Guys, mike there
was all these. THINGS i feel like a new way
of doing. It SO i was excited To.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
So i've never heard it explain that way. Before it
would be. New if you hadn't, dealet it would be
Brain what do you make of?

Speaker 16 (01:06:02):
IT i, MEAN i love the kind of the how
deliberate and considered everything, is or and sort of the
opposite of. That if you make a, mistake because it's,
tape you can't just stop right there and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Restart you've got to push.

Speaker 16 (01:06:14):
Through so like you kind of find that there's these
these it's just more human that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Way, yeah it's.

Speaker 16 (01:06:20):
Not we're not doing lots of little bits.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And piecing it all.

Speaker 16 (01:06:23):
Together it's one, long continuous.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Tape WHEN i started in this, industry this will bore
you with an old man's story WHEN i, started so
we put everything on. Tape, yeah and so this interview
would be on. Tape, Wow and then what would happen
is if you swore or, something we would literally take
the tape and we'd slice it and we'd cut it
out and slice it and slice it back to get
and so so you couldn't hear. It and that was
that was just it was the way it was.

Speaker 16 (01:06:45):
Done it Was, yeah AND i mean it's it's it's it's,
finite so you JUST i, think you, know for, us
the whole kind of ethos of the record as, well
was you, know trying to do less with more or
trying you, know being you, know not just having an
infinite amount of this infinite out of, that we were
trying to really restrict ourselves. Instruments there's, tapes so we
can only do six, takes all these kind of, parameters
BECAUSE i think that frees you up when you're making,

(01:07:06):
music the more kind of rules you, have because if
your sport for, choice you can sit there for hours
to agree more just twiddling your thumbs trying to decide
on the sound for the. Synthesizer when if you have you,
know only two guitars and one piano to choose, from
it's very easy to make a record sound, cohesive.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Fantastic, yeah what do you make of the? Sound and
WHEN i say that the actual, sound is it a
better sound to your EAR i.

Speaker 16 (01:07:26):
THINK i, mean these days it is very hard to.
TELL i like to, say as someone who's a very
into analog that there's a sort of a warmth and
a CRISP i, say it's, crispy actually sizzle to. IT i,
Mean i'd love to hear those interviews you did it
on tape and sort of do AN A.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
B it's a different. Sound it is one. Hundred one
of the things that fascinated to me IS i remember
when CD's first came, out and that was all about the.
Sound it was, like you wait till you hear the
sound of OUR, cd which was partially. True but then
we've gone into the streaming, thing and no one seems
to care about no sound, anymore not at. ALL i,
mean most people are listening to out their. PHONE i,
mean it was funny when we were finishing this record

(01:08:00):
Called Sam evan said that he was more it was
concentrating on how it would sound out of a phone
speaker than he was out of real, speakers because he,
said that's sort of if it sounds great in that,
way then you, know no one's going to really be
a couple of other quick. THINGS i don't, know if
you're up on this because you only just come back
to the. Country But tikiritani has pulled his music off

(01:08:20):
Right spotify and the batsap. Too do you care about
the screaming thing for you as an? Artist is that
an issue in terms of? Revenue?

Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
Revenue, YEAH i mean it's it's very hard to. MAKE
i think something they say a million streams is seven thousand.
Dollars you, know to get to a million streams is you,
know it's an uphill, battle so you really got to
work hard to get. There and you, know all the
work and effort you put in to sort of make
say seven grand or however much it, is it doesn't
really feel like it. Is the scales are right. There,
Yeah but at the same, time it's you, know it's

(01:08:51):
it's never been good for, musicians but maybe that's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Here's here's my thing is that IT'S i agree with,
You so it's never been. Great but what the streaming
has allowed you to do is get to the world
in a way that if you go that forty, years
no one did you hate to get a record. Company
you were beholden to the record. Company they owned. You
you did. It so now you can sit in your
bedroom do your. Thing you're out in the world and.

Speaker 16 (01:09:11):
It's, YEAH i mean anywhere anywhere can JUST i, mean
that's what happens to me often as people will, go
what's your, music what's your, Name i'll say it's Halper.
Fin they'll search it up right there and then ad
me and then it's, gone and then that you, know
that person may never see me. Again But i've for
that five seconds have just left them like a business
card or left.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Them someone find.

Speaker 16 (01:09:28):
Me so with, that you, know that's so much easier
than directing someone to a store or trying to figure
out a way the people can get your music.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Instantly of, Course So i'm embarrassed BECAUSE i looked Up
Balu bradegha. Yesterday, yeah and you were playing the piano For,
yes there, locals they are locals if from Might Angy,
bay they're just you, KNOW i, mean for goodness, sake
they're on. Tour you were on tour with them In South. America,
yes we're twenty one.

Speaker 16 (01:09:51):
Pilots, Yeah, No i've sort Of I've I've i'm glad
you raise it BECAUSE i feel, LIKE i, mean we
Played they're A kiwi band through and through and they
were playing we played In Mexico city to sixty six thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
People we opened for twenty One.

Speaker 16 (01:10:04):
Pilots, yeah where our wats are? Playing now we got
to walk on that stage in front of a full.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
House so here's SO i look up twenty One. PILOTS
i know twenty One. Pilots, yes they're charging three four
hundred dollars a. Ticket they're a real. Deal they're, like
they're big news.

Speaker 16 (01:10:18):
Stadium rock band In South america.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
State and it's two.

Speaker 16 (01:10:22):
Guys so you're sort of, going, like you, know sort
of the rest of the world can kind of not
really you, know hear about this band who down there
are stadium Level and so we, were and we were
the band that got to open a baru with the
band that got to open for, them and it was
just us and, them and everyone In South america shows
up when the door's open and when the music, starts they're.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Happy they don't care who's.

Speaker 16 (01:10:42):
Playing and so we were playing to full houses and
sort of, going how we're a bunch of kiv's playing
out of many people for An american band as, well
it's not even An Australian New zealan, Band so it
felt very surreal to sort of be Representing New zealand
a little, bit you, know on that in that in
that part of the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
World so the album we're going to play after the
a little snippet of. It what's the song we're playing
the snippet of the songs Called? Satellite is it any?
Good it is? Good That's i'm really proud of this.
One the album you're. Loving i'm loving the.

Speaker 16 (01:11:10):
ALBUM i mean it's as sort of as you were
saying at the, start like it has taken a while
to come. Out BUT i think there's a part of
me that's grown into these songs more than WHEN i
sort of wrote, them which, is you, know kind of
strange to, say BUT i feel like they feel like
me more than they did in the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
PAST i. Could you, Know, well congratulations on this and
you say seas and you're doing a couple of shows and.
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again for another, season and one wonders how long one
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Speaker 13 (01:15:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Business almost Like Jerry jones has a complete control freak
and doesn't recognize it and continues to make ridiculous. Decisions
now To britain we, Go rod a little good, Morning good.
Morning just been listening earlier on this morning To macron
In New york, yesterday AND i know this isn't, aside
BUT i was Watching starmer's statement standing in that corridor
wherever that was all in yellow and old. Paintings he's

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not very good straight down the, lins is.

Speaker 17 (01:16:09):
He, no he's, not and he he emanates no, warmth no.
Confidence he's not great with the public or with. Television so,
no he's in real, trouble and he's in more trouble
today as a consequence of deciding to Recognize, palestine which

(01:16:32):
we've discussed, before very good piece By Melandie phillips where she, says, well,
exactly you recognizing it isn't a, state and are you
recognizing which bits of The West bank are you? Recognizing
you Recognizing gaza and so on and so, On and
he has been pretty much viscerated for, it and, surprisingly

(01:16:53):
from my, PERSPECTIVE i didn't think it would be quite like.
This there was a pole out in The telegraph yesterday
which suggested that ninety percent Of british people thought That
palestine shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Recognized it's interesting we're about to do. IT i think
we don't. Know we're not being told which way we're.
Going we've got Our foreign minister In New. York he's
making a speech On saturday out the point In New.
Zealand of, course it doesn't, matter because no one gives
the monkeys About New. ZEALAND i guess the world has
more interest in something like THE. Uk but Hes macron

(01:17:31):
Or starmer moved the needle in any, way shape or
form by announcing what they've. Announced, NO i.

Speaker 17 (01:17:39):
Don't, well they certainly haven't moved the needle on releasing
the hostages or coming to a peaceful conclusion In. GAZA
i don't think they've really moved the needle. Anywhere on
the international relation reaction To. Israel there's already one hundred
and forty countries of Recognized PALESTINE i think it, is
or somewhere in that. Region two more doesn't make very

(01:18:02):
much different than three. More if you love do it,
tomorrow it wouldn't make much difference. Either you, know you're
recognizing something which doesn't. Exist it's bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
How much of This AND i read some article that
was suggesting that he really only did it to appease
the chunk of his party that's going to cause him
more trouble than he.

Speaker 17 (01:18:20):
Needs, oh there is absolutely no doubt that is the
only reason it was. Tough it was an act of,
cowardice designed to placate the left wring members of his
party and perhaps convince a few people who were thinking
otherwise of voting for The Green, party The Lib dems
Or Jeremy corbyn's new, party that No labour's resolute On,

(01:18:42):
palestine rebelieve in a Free, palestine. Etc it was an
act of cowardice and opportunism and no question about. It
and there are plenty of people In labor who will
agree that that's exactly what it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Was, okay talk to me About nigel and watching him
overnight our time and his. Deportations do we get down
to the point the legalities of it? ALL i, mean,
yes lots of people would support and want them to do,
this and yes it may or may not save a
lot of money and all that. Stuff but the legalities
of actually tangibly doing it as opposed to promising to do.
It has anyone got to that?

Speaker 17 (01:19:12):
Bit, well they will need to change, laws you, know
they will need to change a whole bunch of laws
to circumvent whatever the lawyers. Do their, plan of, course
is to effectively ignore the five year limit which previous
governments have had on immigrants coming. Here stay for five,

(01:19:33):
years keep your nose out of, trouble and you effectively
get freedom to remain for the rest of your. Life
it obviously doesn't. Work farrat is trying to, say you,
know we will start, deportations we will reassess their claims
to stay here and then deport, them and THAT i
think will go down very well with a large proportion

(01:19:55):
of The british electorate and the rest of The british,
electorate AND i will guess about twenty, percent we'll say
this is, fascism et.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Cetera several part question The Lib dems that night over
the weekend was suggesting using The Civil Contingencies act to
sort of help tidy up the. Backlog is any of that?
Real and when The Lib dems say stuff like, that
does anyone play?

Speaker 17 (01:20:16):
Attention, no no one pays any. Attention they have had that,
conference they have been trying to make a few waves
with the. Press BUT i don't THINK i don't think
anyone looks at The Lib dems and, things, Well i'm
sure you'll be able to sort the micro problem, out
because of course they don't really recognize that there is
a micro. Problem they do recognize that there's a problem

(01:20:37):
in a backlog of, claims hence there hence their result
to various other legalistic, measures But it's very difficult to
see how how anyone could take any notice of a
party which basically refuses to say that there's a connection
between a high number of immigrants and pressure on. Infrastructure

(01:20:59):
it's justers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Belief WHAT i did find interesting is the leader of
The Lib dems were suggesting in an interview earlier on
this morning that no one's going to work With. Varage
is there an element of truth to that or intrigue
or interest in? That, is if he does, well let's
assume he does next time, around but he doesn't have
the numbers to form a, government how does he form a?
Government is it going to be Like holland or? Wherever
and just no one deals with the guy no one
wants to deal.

Speaker 17 (01:21:20):
WITH i think that though she claims to despise, him
at the, MOMENT i Think Kenny bay's An off would
leap at, it leap at the chance of forming a
government if she were promised deputy prime, ministership given you
know that the party you've got one hundred MP's or
whatever it. GETS i think there is great distaste on the, left,

(01:21:43):
obviously but no one was expecting the left to work With.
Faras BUT i think the tour is push kin to
self would do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
All, Right, WELL i might See THURSDAY bbc just. Quickly
they're going to make a decision apparently Over. Eurovision The, Netherlands, Island,
Spain slovenia say they're not taking part Of israel takes
parts of THE. Bbc she's going to need to be
involved with, that. Apparently And Rachel reeves' polight slash dilemma
is not improving at all because In august she spent
eighteen billion pounds more than she actually. Had and here's

(01:22:11):
the really disturbing, thing and here's. Why probably THE imf
is going to have to get involved at some. Point
the tax national insurance receipts her, up so she's getting
more money. In it's just she refuses to cut the.
Spending so borrowing over the first five months of the
financial year is now running at eighty four billion, pounds
which is sixteen billion higher than for the same period last.

(01:22:31):
Year and it's also above her seventy two point four
billion dollar protection made in Last. March so she said
she'd do something about, it she just. Hasn't sixteen Too
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is coming very. Shortly he's flanked BY rfk, meantime while
we're waiting for him to say something profound or interesting
or POSSIBLY i don't, know present some science that links
the two. Together don't hold your. BREATH i take you
back To optus and over the weekend this disaster of
the firewall upgrade that led directly to four, deaths and

(01:23:18):
lord knows how many other problems because they're still investigating that.
Part but their emergency service, stopped their triple zero, stopped
and you couldn't ring triple. Zero so they should quote
unquote expect significant. Consequences this is The Communications Minister Anika.
Wells the telco had perpetuated an enormous failure on The australian.
People investigation underway would be a priority to company's, performance

(01:23:40):
though doesn't matter what they find was ultimately not good,
enough she. Said elbow weighed in From New york and
said he would be quote unquote surprised if The optis chief,
Executive Stephen rue was not considering, resigning so you don't
get much more pressure than. That interesting also In india
as of today being or in the last twenty four

(01:24:01):
hours at, least That mody to counteract The american tariffs
has decided to mark around with A. Gst and this
is why we should be grateful To Roger douglas if
you want to go back To Roger douglas AND gst
in this. Country one of the things he argued when
he INTRODUCED gst was that everyone, went, oh we'll hold,
on we better not put it on for in, Vegetables
i'll hold, on we better not put it on ice.
Cream but what about sausage? Rolls and he, said the

(01:24:23):
rule of thumb is you put it on, everything because
if you, don't you will be forever grappling With watson
and what's. Out and there are any number of, countries
Including australia And canada who deal with that sort of,
thing And india is a very good. Example So mody's
are taking staples like milk and, bread, medicines. Drugs, basically
they've become tax. Free consumption tax on small, cars television,

(01:24:44):
sets air conditioners are going to drop from twenty eight
to eighteen. Percent they've got a myriad OF gst, amounts
just a myriad the it's a hair, oil toilet, soap,
shampoo it's going to be taxed at a marginal five
percent instead of twelve or eighteen. Percent major all overhaul
of THE gst in. General that will coincide or has
coincided with the long festival season four month long. Period

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everyone goes out and spend some, money feels good about,
themselves part of a twelve billion dollar income tax, giveaway
and that's to. Counteract so he's trying to invite a
feeling of festivity In india because of course the fifty
percent tariffs that The indians currently grapple with is going
to be a major. Issue and that's before you get
to the issue of the visa announcement made the other
day and a lot Of indians involved in that visa

(01:25:26):
thing With america as. Well has he Made is he said?
Anything and he said, no he said. Nothing is he still?
INTERESTED i? DO i want to play it back because
is he still introducing? People, no he's finished introducing.

Speaker 14 (01:25:37):
People but now he's just saying dumb stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
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Speaker 20 (01:26:59):
To and by the, WAY i THINK i can say
that there are certain groups of people that don't take
vaccines and don't take any, pills that have no, autism.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
That have no.

Speaker 20 (01:27:10):
Autism does that tell you something that's Currently is that
a correct?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Statement by the, way.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
There are some studies that suggest, that, yeah with The,
amish for, example.

Speaker 20 (01:27:21):
The, Amish, yeah VIRTUALLY i heard. None bobby wants to
be very careful with what he, says and he. Should
But i'm not so careful with WHAT i. Say but
you have certain groups The amish as an, example they
have essentially no. Autism first effective, immediately THE fda will

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be notifying physicians at the use of said well let's
see how we say. THAT i said menefin acetamnifin said,
okay which is basically commonly known as Thailand all during
pregnancy can be associated with a very increased risk of.

(01:28:08):
Autism so Taking thailandol is not, good all, Right i'll say.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
It it's not.

Speaker 20 (01:28:17):
Good for this, reason they are strongly recommending that women
limit titler and all use during pregnancy unless medically.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Necessary it's the leader of the free. Will it's the
leader of the free. Will paracetamol is what they're talking.
About it's Thailand all is just a brand, name and
it's The Armish. Bobby it's The army sweller as some
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they called it.

Speaker 14 (01:28:49):
Parasenamol In, americas it sounds easy to, say.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Well how do we see That he's got to be.
CAREFUL i don't have to be. Careful so, ANYWAY i
don't know where that, goes because IF i was the
producer of IF i was Thailand ol AND i produced
the paracetamol, Product i'd want to have. SOME i don't
know scientific evidence that what he's saying might be remotely,
accurate and therefore.

Speaker 14 (01:29:11):
There's a company that what's it called, HERE i don't
know if you've heard of, It johnson And.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Johnson, yeah there are other ones who make, it, ULTIMATELY
i don't. Know so, anyway that's his. ANNOUNCEMENT i don't
even think he sounded particularly convinced himself that that's actually a,
Thing but nevertheless it's been announced and the consequences will
be for The American So.

Speaker 14 (01:29:31):
Johnson johnson's the parent company Of, kenview which is the
company that Makes thailand. Old kenview shares are down twenty
five percent already, today not.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Surprisingly so, anyway that's how you run in, country. Folks
you just say some random stuff and see how it. Lands,
anyway back tomorrow morning from six as Always Happy.

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