Full Show Podcast: 07 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
B Billing and welcome to day new contract's new approach
to try and get the chronically absence into our schools.
At the Rentokraft smash Winston Peter's window. Last night with
the new laws making any difference, we got more good
news around our local body elections. Over two hundred are
going to win unopposed. How awesome. Catherine Fields and France
who are yet again looking for a prime Minister. Rod
lidlchecks in from the UK pasking welcome to the day

(00:33):
seven pass six who knew the New Zealand Society of
Actuaries would be so useful? Their Retirement Income Interest Group,
Yes there is a thing, has come up with what
you can only describe as a simple and yet effective
idea around hopefully sorting out our retirement nest egg dilemma
once and for all. What we need, they argue, and
they're right, a single framework for consistent discussion of what

(00:55):
would be an adequate retirement income now, their point being
the various boss who produce numbers like a million dollars,
it means nothing. It's like inflation around food. The other day,
the latest stats came out on food. Food prices were
up five percent? Were they not really? I mean if
you counted all the food they were maybe. But we
don't buy all the food. We buy our food, and
our food might end up more or less, buy a

(01:17):
lot or buy a little. So when they tell you need,
for example, a million dollars to retire, will you know
you might? But you might not. So what's the point?
There isn't one. So to their idea, work backwards. What
is it you want by way of a figure? And
then you link it to what you were? Now that's
not hard. A You might decide you need a little
bit less than what you currently earn, given you won't
be commuting, or you might not be having afterwork drinks.

(01:40):
You might decide you want the same or more whatever.
So what you need to do to say that we'll
give you what you earn by way of a wage today. Now,
if we all talk about that the same way, at
least the figure or the goal becomes clear, or at
least a bit clearer. Now, their example at the four
percent and four percent, which is what we're about to
move to. For Kiwi Saber, they've come up with this calculation.

(02:00):
If you work from your early twenties, earn a median income,
invest in a balance fund, you will end up at
about seventy five percent of what you're currently in. Is
that what you want? Do you want more? Do you
want less? Whatever? At least you know where you are.
Of course, the other question you could ask is does
anyone pay attention to any of this anyway? Is part
of the problem around retirement savings and cost the simple
fact that we put it off, pretend it's years away

(02:21):
until it isn't. Then we panic if things haven't worked out.
The answers have always been there, but it's been confused
by the myriad of so called experts, all with their
own special recipe for success. But the actuaries might have
cracked it simple and consistent, like most good ideas.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Right France, Another day, another PM.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
There are a lot of red lines in the mouths
of many.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
However, the very principle of building a compromise between political
parties is to be able to combine green lines and
take into account a certain number of red lines.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
But we cannot be at both extremes.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
No, we cannot. So he's gone. Catherine shortly across the channel,
the Tory is in mid conference. They sink clearly out
to beg reform.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
Let reform chase the clicks and lights online, and let
real conservatives serve their communities and in our party. We
understand the difference they see.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
They since stried out to sound like how dean.

Speaker 6 (03:21):
Conservative values opportunity, aspiration, optimism. We are the party of hope,
We are the party of the future.

Speaker 7 (03:30):
We can and we will.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
In Sky produced a poll.

Speaker 8 (03:35):
Only forty six percent think she should stay in place,
fifty percent say she shouldn't. Forty nine percent thinks she'll
be out before the election. Robert Jenrick forty six percent
pick him as their choice for leader.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, the Hubert has kimming bednok. Of course, Trump's having
trouble with rolling out the National Guard. The courts don't
quite see it his way at the moment, but they
have arrived in Chicago.

Speaker 9 (03:58):
There is no emergent see here in Chicago or in
the state of Illinois.

Speaker 10 (04:02):
The only crisis that we have is the chaos.

Speaker 9 (04:05):
That has been caused by Donald Trump and his administration.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, hold on to sort that particular confusion out. The
Home Secretary.

Speaker 11 (04:13):
We have specific officers and agents that have bounties that
have been put out on their heads. It's been two
thousand dollars to kidnap them, ten thousand dollars to kill them.
They've released their pictures, they've sent them between their networks,
and it's an extremely dangerous situation.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Finally, ozempic face, Yes, it's become a thing in plastic surgery.
So when you lose a lot of weight on all
these pills and potions and jabs, your face can have
a bit of a deflated look. So the American Society
of Plastic Surgeons annual report shows put me decent of
those who have taken weight loss drugs are considering cosmetic
surgery to their face, twenty percent of actually gone ahead
and done it. The amount of place of neck fillers

(04:48):
is up eight percent, the biggest rise since the reports
have began. Philly use generally has doubled since the zimpic
was first. Clear fears and let us use the world
in runs. Just to confirm, mister Lamont, you twenty seven
days if you can be leave at fifth prime, Minister
in less than two years twenty seven days. Each political
party is behaving as if they have their own majority
in parliament. So he's gone, as I say, Catherine shortly,

(05:09):
but I tell you who is hot. The new PM
in Japan stocks hit a record high. They are loving
Tacker Ichi more with Andrew. Shortly twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
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Speaker 2 (05:28):
Very sad that Jilly Cooper's died over under the age
of eighty eight. She had a fall and her family,
Felix and Emily, her son and daughter, say, the fore
came is a complete shock. The death came is a
complete shock out of the fall. But Dame Commander made
Dame Commander last year. Other thing this morning, you need
to know it. Supreme Court Scotis America. Gillai Maxwell was
looking for an appeal. They're not going to hear it.
So she loses another one fifteen past second, I'm sure

(05:52):
and partners. Andrew teller her welcome for the week. Very
good morning, Mike Paymark, give me the good news. Is
there any good news? Are we spending or not?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Ah?

Speaker 12 (05:59):
Well, they are?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Why Cat Oak good?

Speaker 13 (06:02):
Yeah, that's all good. So the dairy money making a
difference there, but no nowhere else. Really, Yeah, we're still
out there searching for the flickers of growth, you know,
signs that the economy is reviving. Spending, that's one area
we'd expect to see lifting around this time of year,
simply because it is this time of year. So we're
coming into summer and the yacht Christmas of course, so
seasonally we do spend more. Now, Yeah, this is slightly

(06:22):
different lens, isn't it yesterday? Because it's not Stat's New
Zealand data, it's not bank data. This is a pressure
release yesday from Worldline whore own Paymark Paymark one of
the payment processing systems, so the mechanics behind you swiping
your car. Figures released yesterday showed that consumer spending recorded
through all of their core retail merchants in their New

(06:42):
Zealand Payments network in September twenty five reached three point
sixty five billion, So we still spend a lot of money.
That number is up one point one percent on September
twenty four. That is adjusted, so it's like for light,
so depending on whether retails came in or out, but
immediately you note that number is not inflation adjusts, of
which when no inflations stay running around three percent. So

(07:03):
on real terms, we're going backwards, aren't we. So it
continues to paint the picture of subdued consumer spending worldline.
Do note that Key, we start to lift their spending
from September through December, so those four months we see
a lift as not happened this year. They were also
monitoring housing related merchants and hospitality merchants for any sign

(07:27):
that the usual seasonal pickup was actually starting or beginning
to come in a little bit higher, and the theory
there being that this was suggested to turn around in
national economic growth. But in their words, Mike, both of
those sectors failed to match the uptick of last September,
so annual growth rates actually declined. So the big picture, Mike,
no flickts regionally. Auckland Northland biggest spend regionally by a

(07:51):
heck of a long shot. That was zero point zero percent,
so effectively going backwards. As I said, the mighty Waikator
up three point three percent, so spending there and Canterbury.
Canbury was down nine sero point five, So what's going
on there? I'm in the Canterbury region today. So I'll
ask around a.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Well, exactly do it over lunch in order an extra course. Japan,
they're loving.

Speaker 13 (08:11):
It, absolutely loving it. So somewhere that is lifting at
least the share market anyway, Japan. So the Japanese share
market cheering enthusiastically a potential new leader. So this is
following the election of the leader of the ruling Liberal
Democratic Party of Sinai, Takaichi. There is a result of that,
the nik A two to five index has had a
storming session, up four and three quarters percent two thousand,

(08:34):
one hundred and I think seventy five points stor record
heighth That is a very substantial move. The Topics index
that covers the whole market, not just the top two
hundred and twenty five socks, that's also up circa three
percent of record high there. So firstly, you've got to
note that Takichi becoming the LDP leader opens the door
for the possibility of the election of Japan's first ever

(08:56):
female prime minister, and I think that is confirmed voted
later this month. As far as the share market concerned, Mike,
what you're getting is what's now being termed the attacker
echi trade, and it's based upon the expectation of more
fiscal stimulus, more government spending, so looser monetary policy. So
it's lifting a whole bunch of sectors in the share market.

(09:18):
The Japanese yen has weakened. The thing to look out
for here is whether or not you see any weakness
in longer dated Japanese bonds, because that might sort of
just feed through into the global bond market. Defense stocks
actually have gone up because more military spending is expected.

Speaker 14 (09:33):
Oh yeah, good on them.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Interesting RV tomorrow. So I'll tell you what's interesting is
there seems to be no real consensus around this. Yes,
a cut, but no one is at twenty five or fifteen,
and we can't get agreement on this.

Speaker 15 (09:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (09:44):
I was a little bit surprised that that shadow board.
I probably shouldn't be surprised that this is the ends
of a shadow board. They're putting a twenty five basis
point cut. Look, personally, I think this should go fifty.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Base this points.

Speaker 13 (09:55):
I mean, they're worried about spec capacity in the economy.
Remember that it's not about growth. From their point of view,
we worry about growth. They've just got to worry about inflation.
But unless they move, they're not going to stimulate the economy.
That's spare Cabas is going to stay there. I just
can't quite see the downside. If you're going to go
fifty basis points within and Christmas, why not do it
straight away? I just so I need to. I need

(10:16):
to sit and contemplate that.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Ye you know, do that over lunch in christ you
today all of that extra course and over your ETN mess,
give us something for tomorrow when I ask.

Speaker 13 (10:26):
I'll do my best. Okay, Now, well, the Dow Jones
is down. There's still government's still shut down, of course
in the US, the dal Jones down one hundred and
eleven points forty six thousand, six hundred and forty five.
That's about a quarter percent. But the two other indices
are up. The S and P five hundred up twenty
five points point three seven percent six thousand, seven hundred

(10:47):
and forty and the Nasdaq is up one hundred and
fifty seven points points six nine percent twenty two thousand,
nine hundred and thirty six. The forts of one hundred
lost just small lost twelve points yes day nine for
seven nine. As I say, the new k are a
large almost five percent four seven nine four four the
close Now to checking how composite these guys haven't traded

(11:08):
for days that's been holiday over there. Three out of
eight two is the mark there. The ASEX two hundred
lost six points yesterday eight nine eighty one, and the
n's the next fifty down twenty four points point one
eight percent thirteen thousand, four hundred and eighty nine Kiwi
dollar point five eight three nine against the US point
eight eight two four against the ossie point four nine

(11:29):
eighty five Euro point four to three three three against
the pound eighty seven point six eight Japanese Yet.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Gold, My gosh.

Speaker 13 (11:38):
If I'd have said at the beginning of the Earth
gold is going to go to four thousand US dollars,
maybe I would have thought I was mad. But it's
almost there. Three thousand, nine hundred and fifty five dollars
and break cruit sixty five dollars and sixty.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Cent Enjoy Christ to Asuring Partners, Andrew callaher pasc Jersey's
on a Roll. Eight hundred seventy thousand New Zealand is
subscribed to Cheersi's will be play Forms. Sentiment index has
moved into confidence range. First time this year they're running
at fifty six, so that's interesting. Trading for the quarter
was a record three point three to five billion, moving
increasingly into crypto. Top five companies on Charsa's Air New

(12:13):
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Speaker 1 (12:18):
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Speaker 2 (12:30):
Talks at b Snowbell Prize Week American scientists Mary fred
and Shimon Schaman's from Japan. Mary and Freda from America
Physiology and Medicine is today's prize. Their work shedding light
on how the immune system spares healthy cells creates openings
for possible new anti immune and canter treatment. So it
relates to peripheral immune tolerance, how we keep our immune

(12:54):
system under control so we can fight all imaginable microbes.
So they get one point two million to split between
the three them and of course the gold medal. The
big talking point will be potentially I can't see it,
can you? Honestly? Later on this week? Really, I mean
maybe next year of the Middle East goes well, maybe
next year, but I think this year's taking care of,
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (13:10):
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Speaker 2 (13:17):
I think that's Saturday our time fast food outrage for you.
Nando's super popular and UK Nando's you are. But Nando's
possibly because they offer unlimited drinks when you dine in. Well,
no more, at least not for coke.

Speaker 15 (13:33):
One Coca Coca Classic is one glass only. Based on
new government laws, we've had to limit Coca Cola Classic
to one glass per customer. Still thirsty, you help yourself
to any of our low sugar fizzy bottomless soft drinks.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, I've just had both first Classic and you know
what I'm going to do. I'm going to live on
the edge. I hope to get arrested for this.

Speaker 15 (13:52):
Man, I'm going to go for my second class of
fizzy coke daring me.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Imagine that.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
Imagine a fully grown adult not being able to make
their own decisions as to what type of drinks Sara out,
I mean, you know what if this are we in
North Korea?

Speaker 2 (14:07):
So you can only have one coke, but you can
still have unlimited Sprite zero or Fantas zero or anything
else that's low sugar. And that's because of Matt Hancock.
Remember Matt. Last time you saw Matt, he was photographed
grabbing a woman's behind just outside the door under a light.
Remember him. Anyway, he came up with these rules. So

(14:29):
five guys, Pizza, Hutburger King, Toby Carver, never heard of
Toby Carbon but anyway, they've all had to follow the
same suit. So obviously offering free drinks, Why don't we
offer free drinks here? Or do we have? I just
missed out and I don't go to these places. I
don't think we offer free drinks in this country?

Speaker 14 (14:42):
Do we?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Why are we offering free drinks?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Not even a Denny's.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I don't know. I've never been to Dennis, But do we?
Is there anywhere that offers free drinks in this country?
And of course the question then is if not, why not?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Speaking of Mike to Dennis after the show there.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, let's go to detreat. Let's get to Dennis after
the show. This yesterday, the ComCom who love an investigation,
who were looking at airports, have decided not to investigate.
So what's going on there?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to
Mike the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the land Rover Defender
embraced the impossible news to be as usual.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
We bipened up a can of worms. So you start
texting saying Burger King does the free refills. Chatchbt disagrees
with you, So I don't know who to believe. I
personally I favor the listener over chat Chebt chat Chibt.
The more I use it seems to be increasingly suspect
to me. I ended up googling what cars I have
driven over the years because that came up the other day.

(15:46):
I typed and something completely different, and it came up
with possible questions to ask what cars does my hosking drive?
And I thought, oh, that's an interesting question a lot
and they were all wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
So literally I just sitting at home googling yourself.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Giggling myself anyway, So we was Burger King says, you're
telling me yes. Chat Chubut says, no, Pizza Hut special
events does. I don't know what pizza art special events are.
Do you have to go to Pizza Ut for a
special event? I guess so Better Burger apparently does. But
that's no use because Better Burger is only in Auckland.
Tower are in christ you so it's not national. Sam's
trying to convince me that Costco does, even though they're

(16:19):
not a restaurant. They've got a tiny weir restaurant with
meatballs and hot dogs and you know, into Maami beans
and free refills apparently and Carl's Junior, but only at
some locations, which seems grossly unfair.

Speaker 17 (16:32):
Yeah, I mean we did discuss that. Just because they've
got a drinks fountain that you fill your own drink at,
it doesn't necessarily go back for seconds, thirds or fourth.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
But with some of the people I employed, would they care?
They'd see you walking back and go, oh, that guy's going. No,
nobody cares twenty two minutes away from seven I do
for any further, eg, Mike Coski confusing the nation every
morningnounce how it works? Isn't now? Wasn't the surprise? The
Commos Commision has decided not to look into pricing. The

(17:01):
airport's team you seal are not happy. Not surprisingly, they
claim four hundred and seventy six million alone by twenty
thirty two. ComCom did say there needs to be early
oversight of large airport spending. Now KATHERL Brian's executive director
of course for the border of their own representatives and
it's back. Well, this's Kath morning to you.

Speaker 9 (17:17):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Are you happy or not?

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Look, I am happy that the Commerce Commission is doing
everything in its power to take a look at very
large airport price airport costs. So they proposed some changes
to the regulation that they look after so that they
will take a careful look at large proposals for airport
building ahead of that building being committed to. And I

(17:43):
think that is really important and really good and set
definitely something we need to do now. The second thing
is that the Commission has said that they can't run
an investigation, or that running an investigation wouldn't give the
right out comes that they're looking for, essentially because the
inquiry process in the Commerce Act is complicated and expensive

(18:07):
and when you run it, it means that you have
to apply the findings to all of the airport's, not
just one. So it's sort of not fit for purpose, right,
And so they can't use it. It's not so much.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
That they don't want to, they don't have the tools
for the rules to be able to do it.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
And the other sort of interesting thing is that MB
ran a review into airport regulation just earlier this year
and they found the same thing. So now the ComCom
and mb agree with each other that the Commerce Act
needs an update to actually be used properly.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
For you, I'm very glad we got you on the
program cast because I didn't understand that part. So that
doesn't mean they don't want to or couldn't or shouldn't.
It just means they're not allowed to currently, So maybe
somebody needs to change their rules of engagement.

Speaker 14 (18:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well, it means if they did run an inquiry it
would take probably two years. It would be appealed before
the courts, so two years will be a short run.
And then once you got to the very end of it,
if you ever did, you'd have to apply those findings
to Auckland, Wellington and christ Church.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Should I be exercised because the New Zealand line is
that it all gets passed on to the punter anyway,
and so whatever price goes up, the ticket user pays
the price. So we should all be energized to some degree,
shouldn't we?

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, well I think we should be. I mean what
we've seen here is alkoind Airport put out this You know,
multi billion dollar capital plan six plus billion dollars, and
that has has come forward as cost to airlines. And
I can I can fairly in New Zealand's paint on
this because they pay the majority of that cost because
they are the majority airline and that location, so I

(19:39):
can see why they have strong views. But that cost
has come in at a time when returns for airports.

Speaker 9 (19:49):
Are quite high.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
So for every dollar that Capixoklind Airport's going to make
seven point eight two percent once that our set is completed.
So that's seven point two is not bad, right, and
so that's a really good and sense to build an
expensive airport. When I started in this business, returns to
airports we're in the fours and fives. So now we're
in the sevens and eighth and maybe nine, and so

(20:11):
it's a great time to build a really expensive asset.
And so I think the Commics Commission is like, huh,
we're better actually try to get in front of this
rather than behind it, which is where they are at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Great insight, Kath, well done, appreciate it very much. Kath O'Brien,
executive director for the Border Berline Represented, don't you like
bright people tell you what the com com did yesterday.
I don't have time to tell you now, but I
will tell you later. They hoed into a couple of
brick layers in Marlborough. No wonder they didn't have time
to look at Auckland Airport. They're busy with the bricklaying
business in Marlborough.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
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Speaker 2 (20:49):
Are you hot on this this morning?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
What happened to the noise police sorting out repeat noise
disturbance at Winnie's place in Auckland? If you play music
or even talk or laugh, perhaps a backyard barbecue to
the level it can be heard outside the walls noise
that that's not true, simply not true. You've got to
be doing something, and it's a council thing. I mean,
what do you expect the council to do?

Speaker 12 (21:07):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Those protesters outside Winston's house should be arrested. Their rebel
of unemployed more intent on intimidation than protesting. I think
I think Peters was right on the weekend when you
suggested they'd lost the moral high ground. I think I
don't think there's anybody left who wouldn't agree with that anyway.
More on that after seven o'clock six forty five.

Speaker 18 (21:26):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business, because we must.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Go immediately to chatin Field, who's in France. Catherine, very
good morning to you, Good morning mine. Is so things
going reasonably well at the moment, then are they?

Speaker 19 (21:43):
Mike.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
I stopped looking at the news about two minutes ago,
and I shuddered to think what I may have rested
those two minutes, because it has been the most extraordinary
twenty four hours. Even by French standards of political drama,
it's been extraordinary. So we had Sunday evening very late,

(22:04):
the caretaker prime minister announced his new Cabinet's Abati Lecorn
News said he'd finally, after all the negotiations, come up
with the names and then blow me down. The next morning,
fourteen hours twenty six minutes later, he announces his resignation,
says the government which still hasn't met for cabinet, is
also going to resign because forteen hours after announcing this cabinet,

(22:29):
he said that the negotiations that had been going on,
had gotten nowhere.

Speaker 18 (22:33):
He said.

Speaker 6 (22:34):
None of the parties involved were able to make compromises.
They all just wanted to push their own program onto
the government. Then they wanted other parties to adopt that.
So governor has fallen. Lecornu had a record twenty seven
days as French Prime minister, shortest ever term. He has

(22:56):
now been asked by Emmanuel Macron, the president, to go
away for forty eight hours to try and find a
responsible and stable solution to the crisis of having no government.
And once he finds that, then the President will put
in place a platform of action and stability. What that

(23:17):
means we don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
No, I was going to say, I didn't understand a
word you said. Just then, having said that, at what
point does it become Macron's problem. You can't just keep
picking people who resign.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
It is already Macron's problem. Let's just be honest about
it here. His first term went quite well. He swept
to power young new centrist president, and he was also
swept to power through parliamentary elections. His party got in,
they got a majority. They were able to put in
place a lot of those sort of centrist policies that
he'd wanted some of the reforms, particularly to the budget.

(23:53):
Second term has not gone well. His party did not
get a clear majority at the start of that. He
thought he might when a new majority by having new
elections mid twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
That didn't come off.

Speaker 6 (24:05):
He's had three prime ministers since mid twenty twenty four.
So it is his problem. He caused the problem by
causing those elections when he didn't need to. Problem is
it's very difficult to get rid of a French president,
and as they die in office or they're resigned. He
said he's not going to resign. He's staying where he is.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (24:23):
The other problem, of course that Mike is French politics is,
up until very recently, it was just two parties, so
it was sort of go from the Socialists to the
Conservatives and backwards and force. They just do not have
a culture here, Mike, of compromise of coalitions, and they're
learning that the hard way.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
That was my next question. How much of what these
parties refused to concede was based on the desire their
own individual desires to see somebody fall and pay a price.
In other words, you can say whatever you want. They're
not going to agree to anything.

Speaker 6 (24:55):
Well, that's exactly it. On the one side, you had
what they're calling the center ground, which is what Macron
was hoping that he could get sort of the center
left and the center right together. But of course the
center left all they wanted to talk about was reforms
to the retirement policy, to pension reforms.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
When it came to.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
The center right, they said, well, you know, we want
more done on immigration, on migration, number on laws regarding
non French people and France the other ones were saying, well,
we're not going to do anything unless you bring in
ax to tax a super rich. So there was no compromise.
But I mean some people say, you know, Mike, that

(25:34):
perhaps sebast In Corner could have thought of that before
he announced the new cabinet.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, it's a pleasure, Catherine ketchup. So in Catherine Field
and France, they're voting. In Syria, it'll take a while
before we get the numbers through. This is the first
election since Elisade got bold no direct vote for the
People's Assembly. This bit's interesting. So electoral colleges will select
representatives for two thirds of the two hundred and ten
seats in the Parliament. They postponed the polls for security

(26:00):
reasons in a couple of Kurdish controlled provinces and a
third one where there's a bunch of fighting between the
government forces and the Druid militia. Siri is now rebuilding
itself through establishing a new state, building institutions and laws
that guarantee the rights of all without exception, so they
say so. The polls are being overseen by the Higher
Committee for the Syrian People's Assembly elections. Eleven members were

(26:22):
chosen by the President. This is where it all starts
to get a bit dodgy. So he picks the committee.
The committee oversees things. The number of seats dellicated in
each of the sixty districts is based on census data
collected back in twenty ten. There's more than fifteen hundred candidates.
At least twenty percent of the electoral college members were
required to be women. President will choose the representatives for

(26:43):
seventy seats from outside the Electoral College. Now, the President
look him up, look at the group he belongs to,
and ask yourself, does this guy seem sort of a
centrist who might be leaving the country ford or not?
Nine away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
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Speaker 2 (27:04):
Mike Syria a terrorist in a suit. Well, your word's
not mine vander Lane. By the way, I should have
mentioned this before the break. She's got a couple of
bids coming this week to remove her, second time in
three months. There's almost note that you need two thirds
to get rid of it, so they won't get there.
But the left and the right. France is far left,
hard right. Their national rally in France unbound. They're going

(27:24):
to have a crack and they have the vote on Thursday.
Mike Oh the Irony, Chloe and Marrima are perplexed with
the keyboard warriors who attack their MPs, particularly the ones
who have done wrong in the public eye but support
their Green supporters standing outside of government minister's house. Yes,
you notice that, Irony, did you yesterday? Further Irony, I
noticed was the media stand up and I'll come back
to that and where the media were which was nowhere

(27:46):
to be seen. But more shortly five minutes away from seven, all.

Speaker 20 (27:50):
The ins and the outs, it's the bears with business
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Speaker 2 (27:56):
Well, ironly going started the show if you were there
at six o'clock on the subject of retire sightings and
some potential solutions because we have, as it turns out,
a bit of a problem. We're leaving Kiwi, Saber and Droves.
These are the annual IRD stats. First time ever. Number
of people in all the categories below aged thirty five
have gone backwards, none more so than the under eighteen.
Since the peak, which was three hundred and sixty eight

(28:17):
thousy under eighteen signed up in June of fifteen. There's
now only one hundred and sixty nine thousand hours of
June this year. They've all deserted for obvious reasons. I
would have thought it's been going down ever since. The government,
this was Bill English's idea, canceled the one thousand dollars kickstart.
That was the problem. The problem with retirement savings is
get in early and stick with it. You stay with
it and be consistent. But of course that's what the
government preached, but they never followed their own rules. IRD

(28:39):
shows ten thousand, six hundred people opted out in the
latest financial period. That's those who entered work but they
said no to the scheme. Number of people that had
previously opted out had dropped from two forty eight to
one eighty eight, So that's a good sign. I suppose
members age twenty five thirty four. That's the biggest number
of participants, which is encouraging. I guess the seven hundred
and forty thousand people in that age group. Overall, the

(29:02):
age groups have grown by about ten thousand in the
last year. We're withdrawing though. This is the problem, you see.
It's just it's one thing to be a member, but
what are he actually doing? Well, a lot of people
are pulling money out for hardship. Four hundred and seventy
one million's gone through hardship in the last financial year.
There is some withdrawal, a lot of it for first home.
I'm never then convinced this is I mean, either have
a retirement scheme while you don't anyway, Be that as

(29:24):
it may. So you've got one point nine billion being
taken out to get into the housing market compared with
one point four billion last year. So essentially it's a
first lame buyers saving scheme. It's not really a retirement scheme.
The agament being, of course, if you buy your house
and then another house and another house you can retire
off the back of that. Now you've got to go
to school before you can get a job. Of course,

(29:45):
I think we've learned that over the weekend with the
changes to the laws for job seeker and for all
of those people who don't go to school. The government's
got yet another plan. They've signed some new contracts with
some new people who go out and round up all
the scaley wags. David Seymour chargeable of this needs with
us directly after the news which.

Speaker 20 (30:02):
Is mixed, credible, compelling. The breakfast show you can't best.

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Speaker 2 (30:13):
We teven past seven. So new contract system being rolled
out to deal with our chronic school absenteers and problem.
Old deals have been scrapped. We've got fully new contracts
for eighty three rather new contracts. A bunch of schools
will get extra support. There's money for basics like uniforms
and transport. David Seymore as the Associate Minister of Education
and is in charge of all of this needs back
with us morning, Good morning mate. Overall, are you winning

(30:34):
or not.

Speaker 21 (30:36):
We are because attendance is improving and it's probably I
would say that the number one thing that matters today
is how many children actually go to school in terms
of defining our long term future. That's why we're fixing it.
In the case of these attendance contracts, I went around
the country, talked to principals, deans, attendance offices and schools
and said, well, you know, what are you getting from

(30:58):
your attendant service contracts. The answer was highly variable. Ero
at the same time did a more scientific investigation and
found that it's actually terrible in many places. So we
have dumped the contracts that we had. We've recontracted in
eighty three new regions. We've also improved the access to

(31:20):
data so new software, so they spend less time looking
for children and more time actually getting them back to
school and staying there. This is on top of adding
about twenty million a year in extra funding for attendant
services because you can't just throw money at it, but
it does help when you have such a big problem.
So altogether, from the start of next year we will

(31:41):
have a much better use of tax payer money getting
children back to school through attendant services and making sure
they stay there.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Good too, pronged a question out of the were the
old agreements you being ripped off or were they just useless?
And are the new people better? And do you know
they're better? And are the people out there to provide
better services or finding people to do the job hard work?

Speaker 21 (32:00):
Well, first of all, it's just a system that didn't
get a lot of attention for a long time. I suspect,
so there's some really great people out there. I've met
a lot of them. There were some that, frankly, were
just useless, and the Aero report was pretty damning in
that sense. Do we know we're going to get better? Well,
what we've done is started from zero. Nothing's guaranteed, said,

(32:20):
these are the criteria, here's your new contracts, here's how
we're going to measure the performance, here's your money. We'll
be watching. So I hope that that is going to
lead to much more consistent and higher performance across the country.
So when principals look for the Attendant Service to give
them a hand getting children back to school and staying there,
the call will be answered a lot more frequently and

(32:41):
consistently than it has been.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
And so how much of it's the attendant service and
their efficiency and effectiveness versus the parent who's a dropkick.

Speaker 21 (32:50):
Well look, I mean there's no question that it's very
hard to get this done. And by getting this done,
I mean get students back to school at the government's
time get rate if the parents don't want to play ball.
But what I do know is that good attendant services
can get into the home, they can find the barriers,
and that's why we've also put aside a small amount

(33:13):
of money that they can use for things like transport
and uniforms. And sometimes the reason a child won't attend
are things you wouldn't expect, you wouldn't think was a
big deal, but it is for them. So look, parents'
attitudes definitely play a role. But I work on the
basis that most people, most of the time are actually
trying to make the world work, and we've got to
work with them.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Lets it works some more. I appreciate your time. David Seymore,
Associate Minister of Education. Ten minutes past seven, Paklin the crowd.
We're back outside Winston Peter's house. Yesterday they ended up
smashing a window. This time comes at a time coincidentally
that the government is looking to boost the law around
these sort of activity. Submissions have just closed on the
criminalizing protests and near private homes. A Graham Edgeler is
constitutional law expert. Of course, he's back with It's Graham

(33:52):
Morning to you.

Speaker 14 (33:54):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Smashing windows is already illegal, so the new law won't
change anything. Is this one of those crimes that that
that the impact on the person is perhaps far greater
than any material outworking of the law.

Speaker 22 (34:06):
I mean, I think quite possibly. I mean that the
new offense isn't a particularly serious one, you know in
the Summary Offenses Act, which is all sort of the
very low level crimes, and so I'm not sure this
new offense is going to make that much of a difference.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
If you can't do something that helps, doesn't it. I mean,
at the moment, most people who stand outside somebody's house
banging a drum wouldn't necessarily know they're breaking the law,
and they may.

Speaker 22 (34:31):
Not be, indeed and the game, but equally they may be.
I mean, there are offenses which deal with this already.
And my suspicion is that the new offense that the draft,
at least at the moment, is so complex, perhaps so
difficult to prove, you know, was that the reason they're
doing that was it, you know, just all the difficulties

(34:51):
improving it that the police may just continue to use
the criminal offenses that already exist, which kind of have
the similar penalties.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
So if we will look, this is coincidental, the Peters
thing is coincidental to what the government were already doing.
Is this a lesson? And perhaps they've drafted this incorrectly
and they might need to. If you were looking to
solve a problem, would you do it differently?

Speaker 22 (35:12):
You probably would a little. I mean, there is some
confusion in the way this is drafted. You know, I'm
not sure what is covered. I spect police won't be
sure what a're covered. And when people aren't sure what's
covered and it's a criminal offense, courts tend to err
on the side of well, if you wanted to make
this clearly i llegal, you'd have done a better job
of writing it. So if it's not clear, you tend

(35:33):
to favor on the side of the criminal for criminal cases.
And so hopefully the government can sort of narrow this
and fix it to cover exactly what it is they want.
I mean, it's sort of protests near residential areas. I
mean Queen Street's got you know, sort of sure, massive
massive apartment buildings on it, those residential areas and no
protests down Queen Street. I mean, no one's going to

(35:53):
apply the law that way. The police are't going to
apply that law of the way, the courts are going
to apply the law that way, and so is it
really going to do much of anything?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Interesting? I'm appreciated as always Graham Edgler, who is the
constitutional law expert. By the way, thirteen minutes past seven,
Cosking justin they've charged a person following that window incident
yesterday about eight pm. Man believed to be responsible handed
himself in, So congratulations to him. He's twenty nine. He's
going to be in the district court on the tenth
of October charged with burglary. Interesting. Police recognize the right

(36:23):
to lawful protest. However, we will not condone protest action
where property is damaged. Police continue to urge protesters to
remain within the bounds of the law. And that is
the problem, isn't it. What are the bounds of the law?
A thirteen past the.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
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Speaker 2 (36:44):
Mike Winston's the deputy senior in the government. He's not
the deputy currently obviously our senior in the government cabinet ministers.
I think what you're trying to say his home should
have police presence. It's I think I'm correct in saying
that anybody in the Parliament, particularly in cabinot, can ask
for extra security. But it may be coming to the
day now where all senior cabinet ministers, because we're such

(37:08):
disheveled shambles in terms of discipline in this country, and
I mean it's all over the world, but it may
well be coming to the day where senior politicians, as
far as I know, the only politician in this country
gets ongoing police supporters, of course, the Prime Minister. So
it may well be coming to the point where we've
just got to basically have a cop shadowing everyone in
public office, which is pathetic. Anyway, seventeen minutes past seven
new data, speaking of democracy, on the magnetism of the

(37:31):
local body elections, We're going to end up with a
couple of hundred at least who will win unopposed. Got
two mayors and nobra eighty councilors already in multiple community
board's got no candidates at all now registolts as the
Gisbane mayor or so the local government New Zealand VP
and with us morning to you, good morning. I find
it so depressing. Don't you find this depressing?

Speaker 9 (37:50):
It is depressing that year in Gisbon we've actually got
an active race with thirty people standing for thirteen seats,
and we've been around the community. We've had about fifteen
community into actions with the Chamber of Commerce, Federated Farmers,
at the retirement homes. So in some places there are
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Of interest in local bodybot Your numbers are as of
yesterday are at twenty three point nine percent turnout. Three
quarters of people can't even be bothered.

Speaker 9 (38:17):
And that's true. We've seen forty percent of people usually
vote in local body elections versus the eighty percent and
the general elections, and that trend has been going down, down,
down since nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, should we if no one stands, should people be
elected unopposed? Or is that no longer democracy and we've
given up on it and we should just appoint people.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
I think there are two parts to that we've barely
barely ever had a people standing unopposed here. But I
know that one lady in one of our rural wards
always were unopposed and the reason she was unopposed because
she did a bloody fantastic job. So there are two
sites to that. There might be apathy and people not
wanting to stand there, but there are also people doing
great jobs.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's true. That's a fair point. What about because I
lived in a ward where that was exactly the case.
What about the boards? Now, Glenn, our technical guy, made it,
I thought a reasonable point of the people when we
say twenty three point nine percent of people have turned
out to vote who they voted for in terms of
did they just vote for the mayor or do they
vote for the community boards as well? And the suggestion
would be they're probably mainly voting for the mayor, aren't they.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
So people, depending where you live, you vote for your mayor.
Depending on what ward you live, you would vote either
the general ward or the Maori ward and then as
there community bought as well, that would be on your
voting papers as well as see I know that they
actually vote.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
I mean, I don't know any of these people. I've
never heard of them. I don't know, so therefore I go, oh, well,
I don't know. There's people are not going to vote
for the mainly end up voting for the mayor.

Speaker 9 (39:44):
So can I slip that over? Why are you not
interested to look at your candidates and find out?

Speaker 2 (39:49):
No telling you my personal story. What I'm saying is
that's how most people, rightly or wrongly. What you're arguing
is is, I mean most people don't give them monkeys
because they're lazy. That's what it boils down to. They
can't be bothered.

Speaker 9 (40:00):
I think there are several issues affecting it. We're using
an old postal system which no one used mailbox as
there's no more local newspapers people are, there is apathy,
lack of interest, lack of faith in local government and
central government. And then also if I know you spoke
to the minister before, but I think if we do
consistent marketing and administration through the Local Government Commission going

(40:23):
forward where everyone knows like the Orange Man, which is
consistent with general voting, there would be maybe more interesting there.
And then Civics education, we do need to get people
more interested because if you vote or not, it is
still going to be part of your life.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Couldn't Agreemore, couldn't Agreemore nice to talk to Registrlets who
is the Gisbane WASH's VP of the New Zealand Government
Auckland as of yesterday sixteen percent. I mean it's truly pathetic.
Wellington twenty You're stuffed. You can't use your sprinkler in
Wellington at the moment because they're so useless. They couldn't

(41:00):
the pipes, and yet you can't be bothered voting christ
you it's twenty four Nelson twenty six. As I said,
Retty is twenty three Southland twenty nine. I mean I
go Buller yay thirty six, and that's that's a thing.
Mackenzie District is the biggest in the country at thirty
eight seven twenty.

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we sell mari kiwifruit as in Kiwifruit as grown by
people who happen to be Mari and in that is

(42:29):
part of our ongoing problem with rapes. I would have
thought now whether a kiwifruit has been grown by someone
who happens to be Mari. I wouldn't have thought it
was even a thing any more than a kiwifruit that
happens to have been grown by, Oh, I don't know,
a woman, or a family, or an immigrant family or
anyone else. The differentiating feature of kiwifruit, especially in our
export markets, is in fact it's from New Zealand, which

(42:50):
is why we have what they call a single desk system.
Under the system. The New Zealand story is it's the
only story. It avoids confusion more you know, from New
Zealand growers competing with the charther or undercutting each other
in the international market. A small nation at the bottom
of the world cannot afford to be sending mixed messages.
Also goes the thinking, and as far as I can
work out, the thinking has and is working really well

(43:11):
with our industry. It's now multi billion dollar success story
in continuing to get larger each season. Except it turns
out that is part of our trade agreements, there is
a Maori carve out a special race based exception. Did
you know this? I didn't now, making this slightly confusing,
I guess is the possible idea that a cultural link
to an export from a country light New Zealand might
make a difference or off as some sort of alternative

(43:33):
narrative if you're looking for market cut through, I don't know.
But that aside some simple questions, why do we have
a single desk approach except when we don't? When it
comes to race, why does race or what does race
have to do with growing anything? The product's no different,
it's not growing differently, it's not a different variety. Just
happens the person growing the fruit wants their race distinguished

(43:53):
from another person growing the same fruit who isn't of
the same race. It makes literally no sense. And in
any given market anywhere in the world, the Keywi fruit
you pick up will not be bought or sold because
of the age, the height, the gender, or the race
of the grower. It will be bought and sold on
origin and quality. See a bay of Plenty asks Espbury
for a regional carve out to a free trade, free trader,

(44:15):
it would go nowhere for obvious reasons. Why is race
an exception? Does race make a difference to the amount
of fruit, any fruit, or any product we sell to
anyone anywhere? And if the answers know, why is it
allowed to be a thing? Asking Morning Mike. Back in
the day, not too long ago, we used to arrest
these dickheads for breach of piece, easy, no charges, just
held for four hours and the cells and then released

(44:35):
too easy, It was not, Paul, do you honestly think
that putting Chloe in the cell for four hours is
going to solve your problem?

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Went on greta twice.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah it did, didn't it? Hey, Gret has gone away
quietly with the tail between her legs, hasn't she not?
And how many times do you want to yet again
ask yesterday as they did, I reckon the media is
part of the problem. Chloe holds a stand up yesterday
and not a single person and asks about her business
class trip to London. Not one is the media awake

(45:04):
on any of us? Not one. And the woman Acasia
who was there, she's the rebel rouser outside Winston's place,
no one asking you difficult questions about that. But if
you've stuck these people in a cell for four hours,
do you think the problem would go away? No, it wouldn't.
There are attention seekers, and I think the only answer
is to not necessarily give them attention. News for you

(45:26):
in a couple of months, Chelsea Winter. If you like
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Speaker 1 (45:31):
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Speaker 2 (45:40):
Be I didn't expand on it because I couldn't be
bothered because I'm kind of sick of it, to be
perfectly honest. But anyway, so there's rolling out of the
feeds into various cities around America. The latest one was Oregon.
He had trouble, this is Trump with Scots, said you
can't do it because what you're doing is weaponizing local
force or enforcement into a national service, and you can't

(46:04):
do that. So what he was then looking to do
was roll the Californians out into Oregon. So he didn't
tap into the national service. He tapped into a local service.
So he's trying to get around that anyway. Upshot is
they are in Illinois, in Chicago, and this is Larry Snelling.

Speaker 10 (46:19):
People are using this for their political talking points. Well,
my offices are not political pines. My leadership team not
political pints. Their lives are too important to play politics
with these men and women who face danger every single day.

(46:44):
This is not a game, This is not a joke.
This is still our city, and we still have a
responsibility to maintain safety and calm in our city.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
Who want to smooth?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Could that have been about it? And to make it
even more ironic, if you were saying, geez, that sounds
like Obama. Obama was of course from Illinois as well,
leading to the obvious question, does everyone in an Illinois
fick like Obama?

Speaker 14 (47:12):
Listen?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
The only time we're going to hear that question, asked
and Radio today. Twenty two minutes away from eight, the
bake battle rolls on. Health New Zealand is currently in
a procurement process. They want regulated partners to supply bake
kits to people looking to quit. So the government's going
to pay for your vaping now. The pods would range
from zero to twenty eight point five megs of nicotine.
It would come yes, that's right, in three flavors, menthol cinnamon,

(47:33):
and blueberry, Health Health News. Health News Zia won't tell
us whether this is a continuation of its earlier pilot
program or not. Anyway, Doctor Kelly Burrows is the lead
researcher're in vaping for the Auckland University Bioengineering Institute and
is with us Kelly morning.

Speaker 23 (47:50):
Good morning.

Speaker 9 (47:50):
I'm glad that you are laughing about it as well.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Well, what else can we do? I mean, what else
exactly for goodness sake? So what's the state of vaping
as you under standard in this country? Is are we
winning or not?

Speaker 23 (48:03):
I do not think we are winning. So in New
Zealand we've got some of the highest vaping rates in
the world and it's very much because the government and
now Health New Zealand are really promoting vaping and supporting
it as a kind of healthier product. I mean, it
hopefully is healthier than smoking, but that's not a very
high benchmark because smoking is one of the worst things

(48:25):
in the world for you. But the fact is that
we don't know what the long term health effects are
of vaping. But there are many, many studies coming out
every day that are showing that there are negative health
effects in the short term and even in the medium term. Now,
so I think, I mean, I think just by supporting
these products, it's really I mean up something that's really uncertain.
I mean around the world, the World Health Organization a

(48:47):
similar organization in the US and the UK. You know,
they don't support vaping for smoking station programs, other recommended
you know, there are approved methods that are safe to
help people get off smoking. So yeah, I think our
House New Zealand's a ready sending the wrong message by
supporting these products and now paying for them. But I
also think the flavorings you know that you laughed at that.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
That's insane, that's absolutely the same.

Speaker 23 (49:13):
Actually, cinnamon is one of the you know, one of
the flavoring additives that's been found to be quite toxic
to cells and sort of sell theose studies. I mean
around the world, a lot of countries are starting to
ban all flavors apart from tobacco flavorings, and you know,
I think that that's the approach we should go. And
I think also, I mean in Australia, they've sort of
got a pharmaceutical vape right, so that's a very regulated,

(49:35):
well understood VAP product that is sort of registered as
medical device. I mean, I think if Houth New Zealand
wants to take this approach, we need to. We can't
just be buying them from vape companies not really knowing
what's in them. It needs to be copper.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't know how politically whether this is your wheelhouse
or not. But Casey Costello, who's sort of in charge
of all of this, has been under fire for the
last couple of years with her general approach to this
is is that part of the problem or is that
completely separate? Do you think?

Speaker 12 (50:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (50:05):
I don't know. I do think there's some suspicious stuff
going on those, you know, the heat not burn products
that she was supporting. There's no evidence that those are
healthier than smoking. So there's not really much health research
on those products. Yeah, So I don't know. It does
things to seem weird. I mean, if the government was
really focused on the smoke free vision, you know, why

(50:27):
did they repeal those smoke free laws which were really
world leading and you know people were kind of in
are of them. So and we've got rid of those
and yet we're supporting vaping and I mean vaping rates
are really high. You know, as many as one and
four people are vaping daily.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Yeah, the Australian pharmacy approach. Are they doing something a
little bit better than us?

Speaker 9 (50:49):
Yes, they are.

Speaker 23 (50:50):
So they've sort of got a prescription only vape. Yeah,
and it's very regulated, it's very controlled. They've done all
the toxicology, you know. They know it's got one flavor,
a controlled dose. It's sort of in a boring package device,
you know, So it's very much promoted as a smoking
cessation pharmaceutical device. I mean, I know that in Australia

(51:11):
you can still buy vates and you know, pretty easily.
But I think at least the government and the health
sector over there are sending out the right message that
it's you know, vaping is for smoking to station. It's
not a recreational product, and we don't know what the
long term health effects will be, but there is going
to be some negative health implications for sure, no question.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Let's doctor Kelly appreciated, Doctor Kelly Burrows, who's lead researcher
and voping from the University of Auckland Bioengineering Institute, eighteen
minutes away from Mate. I do not when we ran
Casey Costello's office last night, the bloke who handles Casey
Costello's affairs, what would we say, went off as head
a bit. I think we went off as head a bit.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
As he was he dying for a smoke and he done.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
He started swearing on the phone to us. Apparently old
Andy got an ear full. Is that abuse? Should we
arrest them? No windows were smashed, so I suppose it's different,
isn't it. By the way, a very interesting insight into
why once again I reiterate my advice take it or
leave it. Watch the Prime minister's post cabinet press conference,
because in the Herald this morning is the headline. Government

(52:20):
agencies warned large Crown board fee hikes couldn't pack services
and worsen cost pressures. There's your headline. I'll tell you
the real story next seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
The Vike asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power
by News Talks, it'd be yes.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
It's interesting to fourteen away from eight. So the headline,
and this comes from government advice. Government agencies warned large
Crown board fee hikes couldn't pack services and worse than
cost pressures. So you go, oh, my lord, we're already
type for money as it is our frontline services. This
came up in the Prime Minister's post cabinet press conference yesterday.
Somebody asked, will will essential services be cut?

Speaker 14 (52:55):
Now?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
What you got to understand, and this is where the
media lacks a little bit of detail, new and subtlety
these days. There I suggest also some experience in professionalism
is you've got to understand how these things work. So
there is a predilection within the media to literally reprint
everything a government agency. Right, So in other words, a
government agency offers you a range of views. They'll tell

(53:16):
you something's brilliant, they'll tell you something's dreadful, and they'll
tell you several versions in between. And that is for
you as a minister to look at and just be
covered off to go, h, what are my options here?
That's all they're there for. I mean, they're not there
to tell you to do anything. Because you are the ministry,
you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 14 (53:32):
Now.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Luckson's point was this, if you haven't been aware, they're
looking to increase the fees that they pay directors in
public entities, and they need to because the fees are
a joke and unless you pay something half decent, you're
not going to get anyone any good to do the job.
Now they're not paying anywhere close to commercial levels, but
nevertheless they want to make it a little bit better

(53:52):
than it has been. Now Luson made a very good
point yesterday which as far as I can work out,
no one's covered. So his point was this, you don't
need everyone gets alarmed or no our essentral service is
going to be cut. No, they're not. Because one of
the examples he gave yesterday was classrooms. So the Ministry
of Education has X number of dollars for classrooms, and
it used to be under the Labour government that a

(54:13):
classroom would cost on average one point two million dollars
per classroom, which seems an astonishing amount of money. Do
you know why? Because it was and they looked into
it and what they've got it down to was six
hundred thousand dollars a classroom. So they've got the same budget,
but they're getting twice as many classrooms. So can you
do more with the same amount. So you've got two
different mentalities there. You've got the mentality that we've got

(54:34):
X number of dollars and therefore we must be at
peaks spend therefore there is no more room. And if
you spend something on something else, therefore something else suffer.
Is not true. You can spend the same amount of
money more efficiently, and that's the point he was making.
And that's the nuance subtly that you will get if
you watch the whole thing live, as opposed to relying

(54:56):
on just the media. In other words, you become the media.
That's what I'm saying. Next, one fact I have for
you is the NRL Final on Sunday Night was the
most watched thing in television this year in Australia, perhaps
not surprisingly four point four to six million people. Did
it beat the AFL, which has traditionally been the most
popular sporting event of the year. Yes, it did four

(55:18):
point one. But here's the really interesting thing for us,
although we could watch it as well. The really interesting
thing for us was the women's Grand Final had hundreds
of thousands more viewers than the All Blacks Test, and
that gives you an insight into how much trouble rugby's
in the women's Grand Final. Not to dismiss women, don't

(55:40):
go down that track, but let's be blunt. A women's
final is not the same as a men's final in NRL.
But nevertheless, they drummed up well in excess of a
million viewers. The Wallabies All Black Test only got eight
hundred and ninety thousand tend.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Away the mic asking breakfast with a Vita retirement news tosadvs.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
For that question, Mike, of these idiots and guards are
being charged for New Zealand in fat services as they're
under advice not to go, Yeah, I will know the
answer is now. Of course they won't be charged, but
for all the bleeding that was going on yesterday. The
other thing I haven't no one's asked either is why
do they continue to protest and talk as though nothing
has changed. Something I would argue has materially changed in

(56:24):
the last week. And that is happening as we speak
in Egypt, and it's called a peace deal.

Speaker 18 (56:30):
Now.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
It may not be the ideal peace deal, it may
not come to anything, but for right now, there is
a general expectation that all the things that they're complaining
about will be coming to an end within days. Hostages
will be returned, the bombing will stop, and we may
well have a peace deal. So they're sort of talking
as though none of that really matters. And I know
that they've never done anything as regards acknowledging what Trump

(56:53):
has done. Heaven forbid they do that, and getting the
process to this particular point in time now as regard
yards tomorrow. Will be spending some time on this tomorrow
because it's critically important. It affects every single one of
US Reserve Bank cash rate Christian hawksby penultimate time out?
Do you think you'll dress differently for it? Where do
you go from the Reserve Bank? Where's Christian going? Do

(57:16):
you reckon? Anyway? Because it's one of those things. Do
you leave when you apply for the job and you
say you applied for the job? And I thought that
was interesting because the last time he was out publicly,
somebody quite rightly said have you applied for the job?
And instead of going, well, look that's a private matter
and we'll leave that for another day, he went, yes,
I have. And so the moment you've said that and

(57:38):
acknowledged that publicly, then obviously we all know you applied
for the job and you didn't get the job. Why
do you leave? Is it because you're frustrated and thought
one they made a mistaken or you were just going
to leave anyway if you didn't get the job, because
you got bigger fish to frayales where anyway? So penultimate tomorrow,
four of the seven economists, the major economists asb Westpac
quey bank and infor metrics say fifty the B and

(57:59):
ZDA and z the n z IA twenty five. So
we don't have consensus. We have consensus there's a cut coming,
but we don't have consensus on fifty or twenty five.
And the arguments for and against the fifty equally balanced.
In other words, can you mount something reasonably decent to
say it should be fifty, Yes you can. Can you

(58:19):
mount something reasonably dessnant to say, look, hold on that
all this stuff that we've talked to flowing through into
the economy will arrive eventually. Therefore, you don't want to
overcook it and have to retract it at a later day.
Yes you can. So she's a finely And somebody talked
about it, and I thought the most interesting thing about
it was what they called sticker shock. So, in other words,

(58:39):
since last time, they have been taking a pounding the
Monetary Policy Committee. And remember they had a four to
two vote, two for fifty. So those two go back,
if they had any gonads, they go back into the
room and go, hey, idiots, I told you wouldn't they
get a bit tense behind the room, behind the closed doors,
And so do they have sticker shock. In other words,

(59:02):
go bugger, we blew it, and therefore we need to
go fifty when really they may not need to, which
brings us to Adrian and four hundred and sixteen, one
hundred and twenty dollars. And the problem with this is
twofold one. The main blok who wrote the check quickly gone.

(59:23):
Main bloker got the check gone. And then you asked
the Prime minister yesterday what about it? And he goes, well,
it's not nothing to do with me. They're independent. What
do you do? No, it's so once again no one
gets held to account. So some guy comes in on
a million plus he was on one point one eighty
two let's call it one point two is on one
point two million. He did what he did to the economy,

(59:44):
packed a big sad, stamped his feet. They were about
to sack him, and then he said, thanks very much
four hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. I'll see you in
the Cook Islands. No one held to account.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
News for you.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
In a couple of moments, then Chelsea Winter on the
make costing.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Break Personazari asking the questions others won't the mic asking
breakfast with the land Rover Defender, Embrace the Impossible News,
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Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Seven pasts right now. Chelsea Winter's last book, Tasty, was
the biggest selling book of the year at this time.
A little bit of a change where back involved with
meat and bairy nourishes what it's called it to eke
the book and Chelsea Winters whether say very good morning,
good morning, and delightful to see you. We had Nadier
limon the other day and I was talking to here
about publishing, publishing in general, because I'm endlessly fascinated about it.

(01:00:36):
So several questions around publishing and cookbooks. Do you know
the people who buy your books whether they actually use them,
like as a cookbook successful because of the recipes in
its use or you buy a cookbook because it's a thing.

Speaker 19 (01:00:49):
Well, I mean, I'm sure both both are true. I
have the privilege of being able to be connected to
a lot of the people who buy my books through
my social media. I have four hundred and followers on Facebook,
and they send me photos of what they cook, and
they send me messages thanking me. And my books have
always been created with the intention that they are to

(01:01:12):
be used. You know, it's not a copy table book.
Although they are beautiful, it's like, especially Narash this one.
It is a practical, everyday resource to help people in
the kitchen. It's' that's what I'm here to do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
So where do you reckon? We are then, so excepting
that people use them and they cook and they still
like cooking, where do you reckon? We are in this
business of the battle of eating rubbish food and getting
obese and having diabetes versus being at home using good
ingredients and making good food. We're winning that battle.

Speaker 19 (01:01:44):
I actually have no idea, but would I would say
that with the number of people that are buying cookbooks,
because cookbooks are very successful at the moment, people are
cooking and eating at home, I would say, like more
than ever. And depending on what book you're using, yeah,
it's homemade's always going to be best.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
How do you tell your recipes? I mean, how complicated
do you make them? Do you have a recipe for
the recipe?

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:02:11):
I mean, I think part of why the reason my
books are so successful is because the recipes are easy
to follow because I write them, and you know, there
is an art to writing a recipe. It's not just
like a few sentences going debt debt like they used
to be in the old days. I write them in
a way where I know that the reader at home,
even if I'm not like confident in the kitchen, can
go okay, I get what she's saying here. And I

(01:02:33):
write them as a conversation. I write them as if
I'm there in the kitchen with them, and I think
that is hugely important, as important as having a beautiful
image next to it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
How long does that take to formulate a recipe?

Speaker 19 (01:02:44):
It takes a long time, like putting a book together,
writing one hundred recipes. I write them all myself, and
I test them all myself several times. It's months and
months and woll yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So that's dedication to the task you reckon You're getting
better at it.

Speaker 19 (01:02:57):
Yes, yes, And that's why I feel so excited about Nourish,
because you know, it's my eighth book, and it's a
culmination of everything I've learned over the last thirteen years,
but also the person I've become. And there's a purpose
behind this book. Now, it's not just like, oh look
I wont master chef. I'm going to put out a book.

Speaker 9 (01:03:12):
Isn't this fun?

Speaker 19 (01:03:13):
This is what am I here to do, Like why
am I doing this? I'm doing it to empower people
in the kitchen, to uplift them and inspire them, to
help them nourish their families in a way that's accessible
and easeful and joyful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
And do you reckon you would have done it if
you'd never been on Mastership?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:03:31):
This really good question. I actually don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:03:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 19 (01:03:37):
I mean I would have probably found my way to
it somehow with where I'm stepping into now. But what
I have eight cookbooks under them about?

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
Well no, see that's what fascinates me. But see, reality
television isn't what it was when you want Mastership. It's
not the same thing anymore, sadly, is it. And so
at one point you could argue that reality television served
a decent purpose. And if you go, say to Master
Chef in Britain, there was at least one New Zealander
from memory who ended up opening his own restaurant, So

(01:04:05):
it became a real It was a genuine springboard for
people with genuine talent to go to a place they
wanted to go to. And you're a good example of
using your success out of that to land somewhere whereas
now I just worry that, you know, it's just about
getting a profile or boosting your social media and it's
not the same.

Speaker 19 (01:04:24):
It's not the same. And I think what people respond
to at the end of the day is always the
same thing. It's the heart behind things, it's the authenticity,
and it's what you're creating. People are sick of just
seeing and you know, they want something with substance. They
want something they can connect to, that they can relate to,
and that they can trust. And I think, you know,

(01:04:45):
that is what I strive to be like with what
I'm doing, and I always have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
All right, listen, just hold on for two seconds. Chelsea
Winters with us more shortly twelve past eight the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio News.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
TALKSPY News Talks fourteen past eight Chelsea Winters, I guess
Nourish is her eighth new book, speaking book. Do you
self publish? No, I don't, so have you thought about that?
I have, indeed, so so for your model as somebody
else does it for you in that sense, and that
works for you just the reason Nadia self publishes. And
you know, I'm just trying to work out what's the

(01:05:20):
best path to publishing success.

Speaker 19 (01:05:24):
I think for me it was just a capacity thing, right,
you know, I'm a solo mum now with two kids,
and just for me personally, up until now, self publishing
hasn't been an option because I just don't have the capacity.
I my time and energy is better spent creating what
I'm creating rather than managing all that other stuff, which

(01:05:46):
is monumental, the amount that goes on behind the scenes,
Like without my publisher, I don't know where i'd be
publishers and so yeah, for me, that's what's worked. In
the future, I don't know, well I self published possibly,
I'm just going to see where it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Do you go with trends in terms of food or not,
you know what's currently hot.

Speaker 19 (01:06:07):
But it's always been my policy, like I don't follow
things just because they're hot. I'm not really interested in
fads or food trends. What I'm interested in what feels
good and aligned and right to me. Because my books
have always been an extension of who I am and
where I'm at at a certain point in my life.
That's the honesty behind the books and what I genuinely
feel is a good ingredient to start including in a

(01:06:29):
recipe because I've experienced it myself, then I'll put it in,
not just because someone sees it on the news or
I've read it in the paper somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
No, okay, so I think what a vegan?

Speaker 19 (01:06:43):
Yes? No, well, I mean I've the two books before
Narrow So nourishes are returned to meet eggs and dead. Ye,
the two books before, we're plant based. Because I was
on a plant based journey myself, right, which I'm very
glad I did. No regret, no regrets. I learned a lot,
I gained a lot health wives, and I came to

(01:07:05):
understand so much more about where our ingredients come from
and how important it is to be discerning, like if
you're eating meat, eat metal. Yeah exactly. So I just
feel like I'm on a whole new platform now bringing
them back in with reverence and intention. Organic if you
can afford it one hundred percent. If you can't, then

(01:07:27):
that's okay. I don't buy organic everything, but if I
can afford it, sometimes I think one hundred percent it
is always the best choice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
And what about cost? As an expert on food, what
would you describe the market like in terms of feeding
a family or buying food. Is there a cost of
living crisis? Is it unaffordable or if you know what
you're doing you can get buy.

Speaker 19 (01:07:50):
I think it's pretty undeniable that there is a cost
of living crisis. I think that's something that we're all
feeling in all different ways. And yeah, food is more
expensive than it's ever been, So I think it's a
matter again of being discerning what you know, what can
you do without and what is the smarter choice to

(01:08:11):
actually spend the money on, you know, and then just
comes down to that and we all just do the best.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
We can the point of a recipe. So in there
is homemade chocolate. Is chocolate worth homemaking as opposed to
just buying a bar of it?

Speaker 19 (01:08:27):
Some people would say so. Some people will do it
because it's fun, for the novelty factor, because they want
to do it with their children. And some people like
me will do it even though I've got a bar
what because you know, always always in the fridge, because
it's really really hard to find chocolate that is refined,
sugar free, that's actually young.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Most of it tastes awful, that's true.

Speaker 19 (01:08:47):
So you know, there was there was a gap, there
was something missing, and so I created it. And that's
what I've done a lot in Irish.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
The wellness thing. I read that with interest and I thought,
I thought, what a snide, horrible thing for it. And
that was funny enough. That was a Radio New Zealand story,
wasn't it. And so that that came for people who
didn't understand you. You do a wellness retreat and people
pay money and you go off and you do whatever
you do it your wellness retreat, and that's that's fine.

(01:09:14):
That's but they seem to attack that as like a
problem and.

Speaker 19 (01:09:19):
It's very interesting to it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Did that come out of nowhere? I mean, in other words,
it's not news. It it wasn't news. Isn't news. It's like,
if you want to do a wellness retreat, do a
wellness retreat, what do I care?

Speaker 15 (01:09:31):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:09:31):
I think it speaks to an issue that is quite clear,
like why did it get so much attention? Why is
it then when a woman is doing something to help
empower other women that it becomes something that needs to
be torn down?

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Like why is it? Like I'm assuming I was assuming
it's a tall, poppy thing, because you can't be the
first person who we have invented a wellness In fact,
I know you're not the first person who's ever in
a wellness retreat, so therefore maybe it's about you. So
you're it's the tall, poppy thing.

Speaker 19 (01:10:02):
Well, it's like, stay in your lane, little lady. What
are you doing over here? Like why are you doing this?
It's like, well, you know, we all evolve, we all
have certain areas that we are stepping into, and for me,
these wellness of treats and this is only the first one. Okay,
this is the first of many. This is somewhere where
I'm going, and I'm going deep and there will be
many more. And this is like, it's literally a calling

(01:10:26):
for me. It's the most heart led creation that I've
ever done. It is just it's where I'm going and
it's very, very exciting. So you know, I don't mind
the conversation around it. I think it was really eliminating.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Are you a business person in that sense? Because I
looked at your website and you've got the knives? No
one loves knives more than I do. A high quality
knife is a wonderful thing. So you're doing the knives
and you're doing all sorts of bit. So this is
a this is a business outside of publishing and books
and stuff like that.

Speaker 19 (01:10:54):
Well, it's it's it's a cyventia. It's it's you know,
people are so fixated on this business thing. Like a
prominent New Zealand man had done a wee pivot and
you know, let's say created something along the same lines
as what I've created. Would it have even got media attention?

(01:11:16):
Would we be even having this conversation right now?

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
No, it is my guess, no exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:11:21):
So what's the problem here is, well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I don't have the problems just some people clearly did
for a period of time. Are you living the dream?

Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
Then?

Speaker 19 (01:11:29):
Well I feel I am, And like success is determined individually, right,
some people have a different idea of what success is.
My idea of success is living what my authenticity and
in my truth and in my power and in alignment
and doing something, getting paid for something, making a living
off something that feels like purpose, that feels like what

(01:11:53):
I'm here to be doing, and that is exactly what
I am doing. So in that sense, I've actually never
been happier. Then there's nothing else I would rather be
doing than exactly what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
We can't argue with that, can you? Delightful to see you?
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attack on one of the synagogues, British Jews are talking
about something they would have dismissed a few years ago,
leaving their country for somewhere safer. Tristing article I read
in an Australian newspaper ironically yesterday. We'll talk more about
this and other matters in Britain after the news which
with what little of course, after the news, which is
next here at news Talk said be next.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Great Roderick Little as well as Rod Morning to you,
Good morning to you. Makee so Jahard British citizen Syrian descent,
lived in Manchester for at least a decade, So thanks
for coming. We'll give you a citizenship mate. And then
you go shoot some people. And not only that, he
was on bail for a rape charge. I mean, jeez,
how do you dig yourself politically? How do you dig

(01:15:57):
yourself out of that?

Speaker 12 (01:15:58):
It's a it's a massive story here. It's not simply
the fact that he murdered people and chose Tres A
synagogue to do his murdering, but also it's reignited a
really corrosive, very divisive divide between the marchers who are

(01:16:22):
marching in in in support of Palestine and those who
are aghast that they would do such a thing In
Manchester on the very day after he was killed. You know,
so after but jihad family did his killing. So those

(01:16:44):
the government and the opposition, though not the Green Party
or the Liberal Democrats see not one member of the
of the Palestin and in interviewed said I don't let's

(01:17:05):
give him back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Let's get let's get a better line hold on. Rod
will get you back in a couple of moments. He's
I think he's in Amsterdam at the moment, on the
important on his way back. But just to quite this article,
I was reading yesterday's Canastrikee. A guy called these he's
quoting a guy called Michael Cohen who's sixty five. He
and his friends feel prejudiced against Jews. This is in
Britain against Jews, has riched labels. He has never witnessed

(01:17:27):
in a lifetime. And sorry, Rod, I think we've got
you back here with us. Yeah, I'm with you, Okay,
my sincere apologies now, so just carry on, tell us
the story and where it's at.

Speaker 12 (01:17:37):
Well, you're absolutely right that members of the Jewish community
have been saying they simply don't feel safe in Britain anymore.
And there's been a number of articles in the newspapers,
including at Times, which is you know, liberal center paper
from authors of writers with the Jewish back of that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
See let's give that a go and come back after
the break. It's nineteen minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
And now rods begwhethers hopefully rod our apologies for the connection,
just finish up the story. And I was quoting while
we were trying to reconnect you a piece of read
in the Australian media yesterday about Jews in London suggesting
that they have never felt this level of fear, or
Jews in Britain generally have never felt this level of
fear and it might well be for the first time

(01:18:31):
in their lifetime they're going to have to leave the
country and find somewhere that they perceived to be a
bit safer. Would you suggest that's.

Speaker 14 (01:18:37):
Real, without question, without any question at all. I mean,
it's certainly been the case since I think about ten years,
we've lost fifty thousand Jewish people who have left the
country because they feel increasingly under threat. And it's gone
in harmless of course, with the vast increase in the

(01:19:00):
number of Muslim people who are in the country as well,
which is not to say, obviously that all Muslims are
hostile to Jews, but there has been a hostility on
the part of some community leaders and some within the
Muslim community towards Jews, and people are moving out, there's
no question. I did an article about it for Sunday
Times a couple of years ago, and they're moving to

(01:19:21):
Israel primarily. But goodness me, this will have exacerbated it,
not simply the killings, but the reaction from the left
to the killings, which is, we don't care. We're going
to continue shouting about Palestine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
It's amazing, which brings us to bed knock in the
conference that they're having at the moment, and who's suggesting
as really have the weekend. I can't remember the actual law,
but they need to do something about the human rights
law so that the boat people aren't the problem of
the past. But can they do it? Will they do it?
And are they sort of stuck? Are they the meat
and the political sandwich at the moment of this whole
of the boat.

Speaker 14 (01:19:56):
Yeah, they can do it. What they want to do
is with from the European Convention on Human Rights, which
was drawn up in the late forties and essentially held
governments to a level of behavior which is just utterly
irrelevant now because there wasn't the level of immigration we
had then that there is now, So they can withdraw

(01:20:21):
from it. But I don't think it answers their problems,
because the problem isn't really the ECCHR. It's the human
rights lawyers, the people who are in charge of the
tribunals over here, who are usually human rights lawyers, who
just keep saying no, you can't send them back. It's

(01:20:41):
a domestic and structural problem with the judiciary over here
rather than one dependent upon a supernational legislation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
How about the polls she got. I suppose the only
advantage of that particular pole for Badenock was that Stamer
was about as popular and the breathing down his neck,
So you know both.

Speaker 14 (01:21:03):
Leader is not popular, Yeah, I mean, but she's not popular,
not because of a catalog of failures. You could level
at a lack of dynamism in leading the party. But
I don't think she's I don't think she's wildly unpopular
with the Tory faithful in the way that Sakis Starmer

(01:21:23):
is with the Labor faithful, and I don't think that
there's quite the number of people queuing up on the
Tory backbenches to get rid of her than for example,
there is on the Labour benches trying to get rid
of Sakis Starama. I think she's got a few more
years in her yet. But to be honest, the tours

(01:21:44):
are almost an irrelevancy in voting at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Yeah, and that's the interesting thing.

Speaker 10 (01:21:48):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
The poll also suggests the amount of enthusiasm for some
sort of arrangement with the Reform Party within the Tories.
Is that a good idea, Is that something that's welcomed
or is that more a public view of the world.

Speaker 14 (01:22:01):
Well, I think there will be some sort of informal deal,
and certainly some sort of deal if Reform wins the election.
There's a long way to go yet. And there was
a story broken only yesterday in the papers, which is
that Reform is putting up the council tax in one
of the councils it were, which is Kent County Council
where I used to live. As it happens, that is

(01:22:24):
really really bad news for Reform. They haven't been able
to make the budget cuts they said they were going
to do. They haven't been able to put more money
in the pockets of their ratepayers. If that's kind of
echoed around the country, then that is a problem for
reform and the Tories might start to climb again. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Did you know Julie Cooper by the way, No.

Speaker 14 (01:22:47):
I didn't. No, not my neck of the literary woods,
I'm afraid, but enormously popular here, enormously popular amongst people
who like reading about the affluent, upper middle class bonking
and riding horses. And she was supremely successful as a novelist,

(01:23:09):
and the Queen commended her today for her compassion, which
isn't the first adjective I would have brought up, but
nonetheless it's a sad day and undoubtedly was loved by
many here and I would guess in New Zealand as well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Exactly eighty eight. All right, rod ketch up on Thursday.
Appreciate it very much, rodal Liddle out of Britain and
once again apologies for the connection. Just quickly, just to
wrap this up from the Conservative Party conference. Part of
what they were also into as they were going to
slash and burn and the civil service forty seven billion
is what they're looking to save. That's billion pounds. So
what are they going to do with that? Twenty three

(01:23:45):
billion from welfare eight billion by bringing the civil service
numbers down seven billion from overseas eight budget three and
a half billion by ending the use of hotels for
the asylum see because it's all christ of the mills
and that most people.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
I'd like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I'd imagine four billion. By ensuring benefit and social housings
are reserved for the new UK nationals one point six billion
by scrapping environmental policies, including cutting subsidies for heat pumps
and evs twelve to nine.

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the rest of the country, but you might have noticed
in the news that the powers that be closed the
Harbor Bridge, the State Highway one connection between the north
and south of the city because of once again the

(01:25:19):
wind mike. Can you please find out who closed the
bridge and hold them to account. Why bass the Prime
Minister about that? There's something wrong in this country. I
mean it's very I mean there's a million things wrong
with this country. The NZTA runs the bridge and they
will have made the decision. I've raised this with the
Minister of Transport Brown as he was at the time, Simeon.
I've raised it with the Prime Minister. I don't think

(01:25:40):
they really want to own that bad talk. Oh, it's
an independent agency, but I mean, at the end of
the day, you can't keep closing a city down, especially
the biggest city in the country, just because you think
there might be a bit of wind. If there was
a tornado, sure, you know, if there's a cyclone, maybe,
but just another breezy gusty at anything over seventy k's

(01:26:02):
they start to panic and the slow down lights go
on and those clowns with orange cones come out. The
whole thing's become embarrassing and it's a joke. They've got
no buying. Everyone laughs at them, and it's just a
massive inconvenience.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Is this some one we can vote for who will
keep the bridge open?

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Shan't even get me started. I'm on the way to
the city for nine to fifteen, but the bridge has
closed due to the wind. It's barely raining. Great way
to kill productivity in other one says Mike, why are
you reporting on the news the bridge is closed. The
Harbor Bridge is not closed. Well, that's because they close
and they open it literally like that, it's closed, it's open,
it's open. It's closed. By the time they get the
pigeon to fly from the bridge to our newsroom and

(01:26:38):
say it's closed, it's open again. By the way, tomorrow
when the bee comes along, a very good piece in
Business desk. We are set to break through a three
year low against the Australian dollar. Now it's hovering at
the eighty eight ish mark. It's been down at eighty
seven something. And I keep reminding you it wasn't that

(01:27:01):
long ago. We talked periodically about parity. We never got there.
But you know, in the high nineties you felt good
about yourself, didn't You're ninety seven ninety eight, you felt
pretty good about yourself. At eighty seven eighty eight, you
feel like you're a third world backwater. Now here's the problem. Tomorrow.
We kind of want them to go fifty and if
they do the problem with that is the dollar's going

(01:27:22):
to tank because the Reserve Bank of Australia the other
day didn't go So they're at three six and we're
going to end up in the low twos. And so
the disparity between the two economies because a dollar is
a reflection of an economy, and people looking at trade
currencies are going to look at Australia and then they're
going to look at us and they're going to have

(01:27:43):
and so that's why you're suddenly going to be at
eighty seven eighty eight. So according to Business Desk, the
price action, as they call it, puts the twenty twenty
two low, which is the last time we're down at
eighty seven oh three, into real focus. So that could
be part of tomorrow's story as well.

Speaker 16 (01:27:58):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Day and politics internationally. Not only did the French lose
yet another prime minister after twenty seven glorious days, I
hope you enjoyed every one of them, because he can
surely remember each and every one of them. So Ireland
has lost also a potential future president because if you'd forgotten,
and I hope you had, because the whole thing was
a joke anyway, Connor McGregor was going to one run

(01:28:27):
and be become the president of Ireland. Unfortunately no one
supported them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I didn't step down, I stepped aside and I don't
sell so highlight even more the undemocratic process that has
taking place in Ireland.

Speaker 16 (01:28:43):
When McGregor rolls through, it's a circus.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
So I there's.

Speaker 10 (01:28:48):
Some valuable candidates and speaking candidates with good points with
no baggers.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
I may have a bit of baggage at.

Speaker 9 (01:28:56):
The minute, and they still didn't get in it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Allill happened change they aren't made in Ireland. What happened
to the Irish people?

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
The rumblings of an Earth's quake will happen, pretty artistic
to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
I may have a bit of baggage at the moment.
Do you connor what.

Speaker 17 (01:29:18):
It says like he didn't consider himself to be one
of those good speaking people with good points.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Is everyone angry at the moment?

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
Is everyone like a lot of shout agay?

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Is that everyone seems it doesn't matter where in the
world to go. Australia is miserable, We're miserable. Ireland is
certainly miserable. As you've heard from Rod, They've got every
right to be miserable at the moment. America's on eage
in a way that we haven't seen America on each
for a sustained period of time. Japanese are happy, they've
got a new prime minister, and they're pretty happy about it.
I don't know whether the Syrians who voted over the

(01:29:47):
weekend feel good about the election.

Speaker 17 (01:29:49):
Do the people who donated their boats to the flotilla,
do they get those boats back?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
What a good question, Quite an excellent question. Anyway, Wednesday
is upon us, and it'll be here before you know,
and we'll be here from success or worst Happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
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