October 13, 2025 • 12 mins
Matt Payne has become King of the Mountain in a wet weather shemozzle at the Bathurst 1000.
He has joined the high-octane New Zealand pantheon of Jim and Steven Richards, Greg Murphy, Shane van Gisbergen and Scott McLaughlin.
The 23-year-old and his co-driver Garth Tander climbed from 18th to take the title in minimal visibility, sneaking into the lead for the first time when James Golding and Cooper Murray collided with a couple of laps remaining.
Golding crossed the line first but was handed a five-second penalty for the incident.
Payne told Mike Hosking being in the cockpit was pretty hard work.
“There was a couple of times where, where all I was thinking was just actually trying to stay on the road.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sunday on the Mountain. The New Zealand sports story of
the year so far. Matt Payne wins bathursty started eighteenth
and yet another lesson that one hundred and sixty one
laps is a long way and when the rain arrives,
it's all on. He joins the greats Murphy, Van Gisbergen
and McLaughlin. He's still only twenty three and Matt Payne
is with us. Matt, good morning, Good morning Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you very well?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Indeed you're back home.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I am back home. I just we drove back from
Bathurst back to Melbourne yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Fantastic. What was Sunday night?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Like? It was cool? It was really awesome too. Yeah,
celebrate what was an amazing day with all the team
and all the guys and girls. They really enjoyed it. Yeah,
we had a good celebration in Bathists. Some of them, Yeah,
went a little bit harder than myself, but I think
they deserved it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There are so many parts of it that I can relive.
I mean, did it feel at the time, in any way,
shape or form enjoyable? This was something profoundly brilliant that
was unfolding.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's a good question. There was a lot of moments
during that last phase where I was in the car
and it was really wet where it was. It was
actually really sketchy in those conditions, Like there was a
couple of times where all I was thinking was just
actually trying to just stay on the road there was
that much water down. But there were parts, you know,
(01:27):
obviously before I got it and watching the battles that
the race was already having when it just started to rain,
and I think, you know, thinking about it from a
punter's point of view, I think it would have been
pretty enjoyable to watch, but being in the cockit was, yeah,
pretty hard work.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
At the end of it. When the cloud came over
the top of the mountain as well as the rain,
was that unnerving.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, I don't think so, Like we've done so many
laps you know at that point, so we were I
think everyone everyone just was built in on muscle memory
and just driving around. But yeah, every lap I was
going over it was getting slightly worse. So I think
if we were out there for maybe another ten minutes,
(02:13):
it could have got quite quite sketchy and quite dangerous.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
What did you make And a couple of laps to go.
Golding and Murray are in front of you and you're
going up the hill and they take each well, they
sort of take each other out tap you get your
big break. Did you think something like that could happen?
Did you have a plan at that point?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, Well, I initially tried to have a guy at Cooper,
and I kind of knew that I was I needed
to do it quite cleanly because I've sort of raced
Cooper for a while, and you know, obviously with that
amount of pressure on and the wind right there for him,
I knew he was going to race really hard. So
I kind of knew that Golding was going to I
(02:56):
knew he was going to have a crack, and he
was really fast, so I had a feeling something was
going to happen. But when I saw him get a
really good run out of turn one, and I knew
he's probably going to have a go here, and I
knew it was it was going to be dicey trying
to pass and to turn two, and yeah, as soon
as as soon as he turned and I just thought, shit,
(03:18):
I'm going to do a Bradbury.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Once you hit the lead, do you become nervous? Or
does your mindset ads in any way, shape or form
or not.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh, it definitely adjusted a bit. I knew that. I
knew that I really still had to keep pushing, you know,
And and it's really hard when you're out in front
because you don't have any reference from the car in
front of you, So it's really hard to pick where
you're going to break how much grip do you thinks
at the corner, especially because it actually was drying up
a little bit and that made it quite hard to
(03:52):
find a little bit extra speed. And James behind me
was was obviously he was really fast and he was
able to sort of break off me and catch up
to me as well as Dave as well. So yeah,
there certainly was a mindset shift, but especially you know
the last lap, you know was I don't think I
was thinking about anything. I was trying to survive.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So is your engineer in your ear a lot at
that point or no?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, he actually did a really good job. You know,
Like if if you were to listen back to the
radio comms, you know, just of our last twenty laps,
it probably wouldn't sound like we were, you know, trying
to win the bet. This one's hour. Isn't it sounds
like he was we were just out of practice day
and he was we were just doing the race run
or something like that. He was awesome at staying calm,
(04:41):
and that makes a big difference when you're so in
the heat of the moment and you're just trying to
make all the right decisions. And that certainly is definitely
a good thing to have.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The fascinating thing for I mean, I suppose all of
us that is the shootout what you'll want to be
part of and all that sort of stuff. And you've
had last time you're on this program, we talked about
you quality speed, which is great, and it wasn't that
great that day. But I mean, the shootout is sort
of a separate event, isn't it, Because it doesn't matter
where you start at literally anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, certainly, I definitely still knew that, you know, even
starting from eighteenth that we were always you know, within
a shot, and everyone knew the weather was going to
be up and down that day, so it was it
was always a bit of an unknown, you know, heading
into the race, and as soon as it started raining,
that's when everything sort of turned up a notch. But yeah, unfortunately,
(05:35):
unfortunately this year, we we just didn't have We didn't
have a great Friday. Our car speed just wasn't very good.
It was. Yeah, it's quite difficult to drive at points,
so it made it hard to try and get everything
out of it over one lap, and especially when you
have so many sets of ties thrown at you, and
and with the margins things so close, you can't afford
(05:58):
to be slightly behind April. So yeah, unfortunately we just
got caught out, which was a bit of a bumber.
I always liked being in the top ten there.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, exactly, but it worked out well in the n
your car at the end, Matt, in what state was it?
I mean I looked at Brown, for example, driving his
car back with his bonnet missing, and I watched Feenie
in the fence and a saw CASTICKI in about a
million pieces? What shape was your current by the end?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It was? It was actually all right. We did We
did hit a lot of other cars. Guards had a
lot of cars as well, but it was actually not
too bad. You know, a bit of front and rear damage.
He did run over a damper that came out of
the Yeah, the DJ car out of the car out
(06:43):
of the elbow, which, yeah, it wasn't great. I think
it did a bit of damage to the underfloor, but
relatively unscathed. Unlike my teammates kar Kai. He was he
was a bit of a punching bag for a lot
of guys out there, I think, so his was looking
pretty Second.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You've mentioned Garth Tander his value and his role in
your success over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, it was. It was incredible. You know, he's he's
such an iconic character of the sport. You know, he's
got a he's got a pretty funny personality. But I
think he's he was really good. You know, obviously doing
it second time round with him was was pretty cool.
So there was there was no change from last year,
(07:28):
and and I really did want to, you know, improve
on last year. It was a bit of a shock
off for us, and I sort of wanted to redeem
myself a little bit. But you know, in the in
the heat of the moment and in the weekend, you know,
you don't really think about that. But yeah, he's really good.
You know, he's got so much knowledge and experience around
that place. And we actually didn't really end up giving
(07:50):
him too many laps in practice because we were trying
to make our race card better, but he was still
he was still good in the race.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So, yeah, did your success this season, and we've talked
about the side of it before, did your success this
season lead you mentally arriving at Bethhurst with a belief
that you can be a winner? Does that bit help?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh? You know, we've had some really good speed this year,
some really cool wins. But but also I think our
consistency over the years has been really strong, you know,
and I sort of we sort of go to each
track now knowing that you know, we're going to be
okay when we roll out of the truck. It's just
(08:30):
about it's just about making it great. But unfortunately we
we just didn't quite get on to it early enough.
You know, on the on the Thursday practice we just
went that strong. But if I actually look back at
Sunday when it was dry, I think our race car
and the dry was still pretty quick as well. So
(08:51):
which was good news.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Do you like the win?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah? I love it. I love it. I knew it
was going to be raining, and I knew I knew
it was going to be really tough. You know, that's
probably one of the toughest tracks to drive around in
the wet, especially when it was really wet, and those
conditions were pretty pretty hard. But yeah, I always love it.
We don't really get many opportunities over here to race
in the wet, let alone driving it, so it was
(09:16):
it was pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Enjoyable because I think that's the thing. You can't have
it back. But I mean, the first sixty something laps
were they were fine, but it was just another dry
day race and not a lot was happening there. There
were no safety cars, and then the rain came and
it was all on. I mean, and that's what turned
that victory into something special, didn't it. I mean, that's
it had it all.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely. The wet weather just creates another sort
of level playing field. I guess you could say, I
think there's still is always going to be your set
up is going to have a big factor, you know,
when especially we all pretty much had dry race setups
in the cars and then it starts raining, so it's
(09:57):
not going to handle the best. So you're trying to
do changes in the pet stop to make it a
little bit better, and so everyone was doing that. But
it's certainly made it more entertaining for the fans. I
think they think everyone enjoyed it, and everyone I've spoken
to has said it's been one of the greatest races
they've seen for a very long time. You know, probably
(10:19):
almost on par was Bathurst twenty fourteen, but that's pretty
hard to top.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Exactly. How do you do you think people see you
differently now within the paddic and outside the panic.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think so. You know, it's obviously great to
get on the resume, and you know, to have had
that achievement so early on, you know, obviously really grateful
to you know, the race played out how it did
because I was thinking when I was in the car
it there's so so many decisions throughout those even the
(10:53):
last thirty laps, there's so many different phases of it
where it could have so easily gone and I could
have just been sitting here with a nine eighth rough
a fifth, you know, and nothing would have changed. But yeah,
I don't think anyone would have seen would see me
any different now. I'm still still just mad and the
paddock and I still feel like I'm a pretty friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Good on you, mate, and so you've got Gold Coast
sand Down on Adelaide still to come and no matter
what really happens now that you I mean, this has
been the season of your life, hasn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh? Absolutely, you know, like to be able to win
the Jr Trophy first, you know, and now Bathhurst. It's
it's literally been a dream year for us as a team.
You know, there's a there's a few races there I
wanted to tick off on my list and luckily we
have done that basically already, you know, in our third year,
(11:47):
which is really cool. But like you said, there's there's
still three more rounds to go and the championship has
always been the goal.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Family super happy.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, that was stoked. Yeah, I've had so many messages
from people in New Zealand and people I haven't heard
from for a long time. It's it's pretty cool to
hear all the support, and you don't you don't really
realize how many people watch Bathurst. It's it's an event
that I think captures a lot of a wider audience
than probably usual races, and it was just good that
(12:21):
it was obviously that entertaining and I think people really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They did indeed, and we've enjoyed catching up with you mate.
Warmest congratulations again, go well for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Perfect thanks Mike.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Good one your mate. Matt Payne out of Melbourne this
morning for us. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast
listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Sunday on the Mountain. The New Zealand sports story of
the year so far. Matt Payne wins bathursty started eighteenth
and yet another lesson that one hundred and sixty one
laps is a long way and when the rain arrives,
it's all on. He joins the greats Murphy, Van Gisbergen
and McLaughlin. He's still only twenty three and Matt Payne
is with us. Matt, good morning, Good morning Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
How are you very well?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Indeed you're back home.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I am back home. I just we drove back from
Bathurst back to Melbourne yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Fantastic. What was Sunday night?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Like? It was cool? It was really awesome too. Yeah,
celebrate what was an amazing day with all the team
and all the guys and girls. They really enjoyed it. Yeah,
we had a good celebration in Bathists. Some of them, Yeah,
went a little bit harder than myself, but I think
they deserved it.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
There are so many parts of it that I can relive.
I mean, did it feel at the time, in any way,
shape or form enjoyable? This was something profoundly brilliant that
was unfolding.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's a good question. There was a lot of moments
during that last phase where I was in the car
and it was really wet where it was. It was
actually really sketchy in those conditions, Like there was a
couple of times where all I was thinking was just
actually trying to just stay on the road there was
that much water down. But there were parts, you know,
(01:27):
obviously before I got it and watching the battles that
the race was already having when it just started to rain,
and I think, you know, thinking about it from a
punter's point of view, I think it would have been
pretty enjoyable to watch, but being in the cockit was, yeah,
pretty hard work.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
At the end of it. When the cloud came over
the top of the mountain as well as the rain,
was that unnerving.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, I don't think so, Like we've done so many
laps you know at that point, so we were I
think everyone everyone just was built in on muscle memory
and just driving around. But yeah, every lap I was
going over it was getting slightly worse. So I think
if we were out there for maybe another ten minutes,
(02:13):
it could have got quite quite sketchy and quite dangerous.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
What did you make And a couple of laps to go.
Golding and Murray are in front of you and you're
going up the hill and they take each well, they
sort of take each other out tap you get your
big break. Did you think something like that could happen?
Did you have a plan at that point?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, Well, I initially tried to have a guy at Cooper,
and I kind of knew that I was I needed
to do it quite cleanly because I've sort of raced
Cooper for a while, and you know, obviously with that
amount of pressure on and the wind right there for him,
I knew he was going to race really hard. So
I kind of knew that Golding was going to I
(02:56):
knew he was going to have a crack, and he
was really fast, so I had a feeling something was
going to happen. But when I saw him get a
really good run out of turn one, and I knew
he's probably going to have a go here, and I
knew it was it was going to be dicey trying
to pass and to turn two, and yeah, as soon
as as soon as he turned and I just thought, shit,
(03:18):
I'm going to do a Bradbury.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Once you hit the lead, do you become nervous? Or
does your mindset ads in any way, shape or form
or not.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Oh, it definitely adjusted a bit. I knew that. I
knew that I really still had to keep pushing, you know,
And and it's really hard when you're out in front
because you don't have any reference from the car in
front of you, So it's really hard to pick where
you're going to break how much grip do you thinks
at the corner, especially because it actually was drying up
a little bit and that made it quite hard to
(03:52):
find a little bit extra speed. And James behind me
was was obviously he was really fast and he was
able to sort of break off me and catch up
to me as well as Dave as well. So yeah,
there certainly was a mindset shift, but especially you know
the last lap, you know was I don't think I
was thinking about anything. I was trying to survive.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So is your engineer in your ear a lot at
that point or no?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, he actually did a really good job. You know,
Like if if you were to listen back to the
radio comms, you know, just of our last twenty laps,
it probably wouldn't sound like we were, you know, trying
to win the bet. This one's hour. Isn't it sounds
like he was we were just out of practice day
and he was we were just doing the race run
or something like that. He was awesome at staying calm,
(04:41):
and that makes a big difference when you're so in
the heat of the moment and you're just trying to
make all the right decisions. And that certainly is definitely
a good thing to have.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
The fascinating thing for I mean, I suppose all of
us that is the shootout what you'll want to be
part of and all that sort of stuff. And you've
had last time you're on this program, we talked about
you quality speed, which is great, and it wasn't that
great that day. But I mean, the shootout is sort
of a separate event, isn't it, Because it doesn't matter
where you start at literally anything can happen.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, certainly, I definitely still knew that, you know, even
starting from eighteenth that we were always you know, within
a shot, and everyone knew the weather was going to
be up and down that day, so it was it
was always a bit of an unknown, you know, heading
into the race, and as soon as it started raining,
that's when everything sort of turned up a notch. But yeah, unfortunately,
(05:35):
unfortunately this year, we we just didn't have We didn't
have a great Friday. Our car speed just wasn't very good.
It was. Yeah, it's quite difficult to drive at points,
so it made it hard to try and get everything
out of it over one lap, and especially when you
have so many sets of ties thrown at you, and
and with the margins things so close, you can't afford
(05:58):
to be slightly behind April. So yeah, unfortunately we just
got caught out, which was a bit of a bumber.
I always liked being in the top ten there.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, exactly, but it worked out well in the n
your car at the end, Matt, in what state was it?
I mean I looked at Brown, for example, driving his
car back with his bonnet missing, and I watched Feenie
in the fence and a saw CASTICKI in about a
million pieces? What shape was your current by the end?
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It was? It was actually all right. We did We
did hit a lot of other cars. Guards had a
lot of cars as well, but it was actually not
too bad. You know, a bit of front and rear damage.
He did run over a damper that came out of
the Yeah, the DJ car out of the car out
(06:43):
of the elbow, which, yeah, it wasn't great. I think
it did a bit of damage to the underfloor, but
relatively unscathed. Unlike my teammates kar Kai. He was he
was a bit of a punching bag for a lot
of guys out there, I think, so his was looking
pretty Second.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You've mentioned Garth Tander his value and his role in
your success over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Oh, it was. It was incredible. You know, he's he's
such an iconic character of the sport. You know, he's
got a he's got a pretty funny personality. But I
think he's he was really good. You know, obviously doing
it second time round with him was was pretty cool.
So there was there was no change from last year,
(07:28):
and and I really did want to, you know, improve
on last year. It was a bit of a shock
off for us, and I sort of wanted to redeem
myself a little bit. But you know, in the in
the heat of the moment and in the weekend, you know,
you don't really think about that. But yeah, he's really good.
You know, he's got so much knowledge and experience around
that place. And we actually didn't really end up giving
(07:50):
him too many laps in practice because we were trying
to make our race card better, but he was still
he was still good in the race.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
So, yeah, did your success this season, and we've talked
about the side of it before, did your success this
season lead you mentally arriving at Bethhurst with a belief
that you can be a winner? Does that bit help?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Oh? You know, we've had some really good speed this year,
some really cool wins. But but also I think our
consistency over the years has been really strong, you know,
and I sort of we sort of go to each
track now knowing that you know, we're going to be
okay when we roll out of the truck. It's just
(08:30):
about it's just about making it great. But unfortunately we
we just didn't quite get on to it early enough.
You know, on the on the Thursday practice we just
went that strong. But if I actually look back at
Sunday when it was dry, I think our race car
and the dry was still pretty quick as well. So
(08:51):
which was good news.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Do you like the win?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah? I love it. I love it. I knew it
was going to be raining, and I knew I knew
it was going to be really tough. You know, that's
probably one of the toughest tracks to drive around in
the wet, especially when it was really wet, and those
conditions were pretty pretty hard. But yeah, I always love it.
We don't really get many opportunities over here to race
in the wet, let alone driving it, so it was
(09:16):
it was pretty.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Enjoyable because I think that's the thing. You can't have
it back. But I mean, the first sixty something laps
were they were fine, but it was just another dry
day race and not a lot was happening there. There
were no safety cars, and then the rain came and
it was all on. I mean, and that's what turned
that victory into something special, didn't it. I mean, that's
it had it all.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely. The wet weather just creates another sort
of level playing field. I guess you could say, I
think there's still is always going to be your set
up is going to have a big factor, you know,
when especially we all pretty much had dry race setups
in the cars and then it starts raining, so it's
(09:57):
not going to handle the best. So you're trying to
do changes in the pet stop to make it a
little bit better, and so everyone was doing that. But
it's certainly made it more entertaining for the fans. I
think they think everyone enjoyed it, and everyone I've spoken
to has said it's been one of the greatest races
they've seen for a very long time. You know, probably
(10:19):
almost on par was Bathurst twenty fourteen, but that's pretty
hard to top.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Exactly. How do you do you think people see you
differently now within the paddic and outside the panic.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I don't think so. You know, it's obviously great to
get on the resume, and you know, to have had
that achievement so early on, you know, obviously really grateful
to you know, the race played out how it did
because I was thinking when I was in the car
it there's so so many decisions throughout those even the
(10:53):
last thirty laps, there's so many different phases of it
where it could have so easily gone and I could
have just been sitting here with a nine eighth rough
a fifth, you know, and nothing would have changed. But yeah,
I don't think anyone would have seen would see me
any different now. I'm still still just mad and the
paddock and I still feel like I'm a pretty friendly guy.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Good on you, mate, and so you've got Gold Coast
sand Down on Adelaide still to come and no matter
what really happens now that you I mean, this has
been the season of your life, hasn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh? Absolutely, you know, like to be able to win
the Jr Trophy first, you know, and now Bathhurst. It's
it's literally been a dream year for us as a team.
You know, there's a there's a few races there I
wanted to tick off on my list and luckily we
have done that basically already, you know, in our third year,
(11:47):
which is really cool. But like you said, there's there's
still three more rounds to go and the championship has
always been the goal.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Family super happy.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, that was stoked. Yeah, I've had so many messages
from people in New Zealand and people I haven't heard
from for a long time. It's it's pretty cool to
hear all the support, and you don't you don't really
realize how many people watch Bathurst. It's it's an event
that I think captures a lot of a wider audience
than probably usual races, and it was just good that
(12:21):
it was obviously that entertaining and I think people really
enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They did indeed, and we've enjoyed catching up with you mate.
Warmest congratulations again, go well for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Perfect thanks Mike.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Good one your mate. Matt Payne out of Melbourne this
morning for us. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast
listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
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