Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome today show of Winners and Grinners. We got left
off in the classroom as the new phonics results, so
huge improvement. Our wine sales to the UK breaks records,
Tourism arrivals are up, so that's good. Matt Paine is
in the reel of Sunday at Bathurst Captain Field and
France Rod Liddall in Britain asking welcome to the day,
seven past six. A lot of congratulations and rightly so
for where we're at currently in the Middle East. But

(00:34):
Trump is nowhere further along if you think about it
and you know your history, the many others have been
before him. Nineteen seventy eight the Camp David Accords KRTI,
so that Bagan had worked until it didn't. Nineteen ninety
one Madrid a conference the older Bush supported by James
Baker Gorbaschoff rolled along. Shamir wasn't interested, so that was that.
Nineteen ninety three Oslo accord Clinton a two state solution.

(00:55):
This was designed to pick up on the Camp David efforts.
Israel would recognize the PLO, the PLO would renounce terrorism.
Sadly post the signing, violent protests exploded in the West Bank.
Israel went after them. That was that so fast forward
to today. Releasing prisoners and hostages is great. If the
bombing stops in the rubble that is Gaza, that's great.
But it's not over. Won't be over, can't be Never

(01:16):
has been the basis for what drives the hate is
still real today has come about largely because of exhaustion. Also,
Trump had guitars back and Katar got bomb by the Israelis.
Does Hamas drop weapons? Know is run all in favor
of the Israelis all of a sudden, No, what does
a two state solution territory wise and tail? The answer
is Jerusalem? Of course, is Israel giving up Jerusalem? Slicing Jerusalem?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
They are not. Never forgetting of course that the reason
that Yahoo, any Israeli leader is in power is not
because of any American president or any series of international
pressure groups, but because of the Israeli voter. And as
tight as elections have been the side that favors the
state has quil on Gaza and the Palestinians remains in power.
So what we have today is very good news, and
for the next day, days or weeks is very good news.

(02:02):
But as for much after that, well, history has already
written the story a number of times over.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
News of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
In ninety seconds, there's been a day of freedom and
praise in the Middle East. The hostages have been returned
to families at the summer. No for some though, they

(02:32):
will not be returned alive.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
We were supposed to have all twenty eight parties return today,
there haven't been. That's unacceptable, that's against the agreement. And
so you know, my thoughts are with those families right
now who will be feeling very frustrated, angry.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Trump spoke to the kindess that he got standing emotions
and only a mindor amount of pushback from some of
the far left in there. But he's now in Egypt,
really momentous. I've never seen anything like that, the level
of love, the level of respect.

Speaker 5 (03:01):
You know, it's it's peace in.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
The Middle East that everybody said it's not possible to do,
and it's going to happen.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
And it is happening.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
Is before you very eye.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Next to him was Egypt's president.

Speaker 9 (03:11):
I've been very confident that your excellency is the only
one post tree of've bringing this about and.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Rad a end to this room. Marco summed up. The
administration's view of the Boss.

Speaker 9 (03:25):
Is clearly in my mind.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
I think in the mind of everyone in the room,
probably one of the most important days for world peace
for fifty years.

Speaker 7 (03:32):
That's not exaggeration, only fifty war.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
We'll go to Jerusalem at to seven o'clock. Other Meataws
conference seation rolls on in the UK at this time.
It's the samp north of the border. Of course, Swen
he's running on another independence about if you can believe it,
and a lot less London.

Speaker 10 (03:50):
We must not resign ourselves to a future defined by Brexit.
We are certainly not going to allow Ko Stamer or
any Westminster politician to define us by brett cards.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Clearly possible breakthrough in regenitive medicine this morning, scientists at
the University of Cambridge have lab grind embryo like structures
that replicate the early development of the heart. Not only
that they're able to produce blood, they're using the structures
to study immune developments. It's early stages, but significant, they say. Nevertheless,
could be the future using basically a patient's own cells
to repair damage tissue. News of the World in Mighty

(04:27):
Trump wasn't done with him Addle East. By the way
he was turning attention briefly to Ukraine. He's suggesting now
he might well supply tomahawks. That would be a new
step of aggression and possibly a game changer. So we
watched that with interest. Also, Tony Blair, as I tried
to allude to yesterday, seems to be on the art
and now because hamas said, and the Palestinians generally said,
there is no way in the world that guy is

(04:47):
running anything to do with Gaza. So it looks like
Tony Blair might be Trump suggesting he might not be
quote unquote popular enough. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
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Speaker 2 (05:04):
Eb Right China, September. I've got good news. Eight point
three percent exports more than they thought, so we'll take that.
And if you thought fifty for silver over the weekend
was interesting. Analysts are suggesting it's on its way to
one hundred. Watch of the Spaceball team pass if your
partners Andrew callaher and grew in morning. Very good morning, Mike.

(05:26):
For the services, forty eight point three is not where
we want to be, not.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Really is it.

Speaker 11 (05:31):
But look, you've got peace in the Middle East and
share markets are bouncing. So that's a good start to Tuesday,
isn't it. So we'll focus on that, not so much
on the performance of services sector. Look, it's a large
part of the economy, the services sector circa seventy two
seventy three percent of GDP, so this number is an
important indicator. Follows on from the performance manufacturing outcomeing.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Out on Friday.

Speaker 11 (05:53):
Yeah, I'd love to give you good news, Mic, but
I can't because it's forty eight point three. It's under fifty,
which sigmacize. The sector is still in contraction. It is
up very, very slightly on the previous month. It's not
really what we want to see. Let's work through the details.
The measure has been in contraction for nineteen consecutive months.

(06:13):
Long term averages fifty two point nine, so he's still
well under that. Have a little look down into the details.
Activity sales obviously important forty seven point eight and new orders,
which are a bit more forward looking forty nine point six,
both still under fifty. The employment part of this employment
as a lagging indicator, we know that, but at forty
seven point eight it's actually weaker than the previous month.

(06:36):
We do continue, we hold a we hold a position
here we probably don't want to hold. We continue to
be an international outlier.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
At fifty two point eight.

Speaker 11 (06:45):
Is the JP Morgan Global Manufacturing Services Index numbers, so
we are well below that ossie For example, fifty two
point four, we combine manufacturing and services and you get
forty eight and a half on a GDP weighted basis,
So still in control. If I'm just just think back
to the ensed I Quarterly Surveyed Business Opinion MIKE that

(07:07):
revealed that the primary constraint for business currently is demand.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
They need to see more.

Speaker 11 (07:12):
Well, we're not seeing much of it, and you're not
seeing much of a positive response on demand in these
surveys yet. And the data from the PMI, the PSI
seems to support a further twenty five basis point cut
in November because it seems to imply that Q three
growth was going to be a little underwhelmed there.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's going to be a fascinating number. It depends on
who your Prime minister tells us as gross, but the
others are telling us a flat not backwards anyway. Immigration tourism.
So the tourism was better than immigration, right, yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 11 (07:41):
Let's do the immigration month release of migration tourism number
is still pretty subduedary really, the month or month net
migration number plus four hundred and sixty people seasonally adjusted,
that number could.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Quite easily get revised away.

Speaker 11 (07:54):
I would have thought from the month provisional estimate for
the year ten six hundred and twenty eight plus by
way of comparison last year, we had gained fifty one thousand,
six hundred people in the twelve months to August last year.
So we are not importing any more people anymore, Mike.
That's been part of the sort of game plan for growth. Unintentionally,
probably historically, we're not doing it. And of course this

(08:16):
sort of weak migration is a key factor in the
weak growth that we're seeing consumer spending and also in
the weak housing market, both in terms of house prices
and rents. I think there's sort of qv numbers this
morning that confirmed that year arrivals are down sixteen percent
in terms of outright numbers, so one hundred and thirty
eight thousand, six hundred departures one hundred and twenty eight thousand.

(08:38):
By way of comparison, the tenure average on departures is
about eighty eight thousand people per year, so we're setting
one hundred and twenty eight quite a lot more. And
it's all sort of somewhat circular, mic isn't it, because
you get the weak labor market, which affects these numbers.
There's no job so be believe, and that makes the
economy weeker. It's sort of kind of circular, which is
why we talk about needing a circuit breakup. But yes,

(08:58):
travel numbers look better small improvement and short term visit
arrivals seasonally adjusted. I think the tourism numbers are now
sort of looking quite stable, and stable is good. Two
hundred and thirty thousand overseas visita rivals in August half
from Australia. Look, we're sitting just over just under ten
percent below pre codd. We're slowly working our way back.

(09:18):
We might even get above it over the next twelve months.
That'd be a good thing, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It would be a good thing, and they seem bullish
about summer. So fingers crossed. We do have light in
the truck cometer, though, don't we.

Speaker 11 (09:28):
Oh yeah, we know, we love the truck ometer. Let's
go count trucks. Light travel index relates to state of demand.
Zero point five percent gain is September. It's two point
six percent higher than a year ago. That's the strongest
annual growth we've seen since March twenty four. And you're
talking about demand here, and this gives you a sort
of a read on on the momentum in the economy,
So cautious optimism for next year in terms of the

(09:51):
light traffic index. Heavy traffic index gives you a steer
on production. We've lost a little momentum there recently, zero
pot nine per cent month and month, one point seven
percent year. But let's just focus on the light travel
in nex because it's telling a better story.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Shall we exactly? What are the numbers?

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, here we go.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
I mean, the markets have bounced back after that sort
of salophon Friday. The dal Jones is up five hundred
and sixty eight points one hundred quarter percent forty six
thousand and fifty. The S and P five hundred is
one and three quarter percent, so good move there. One
hundred and fifteen points six six six seven the Mark
and the Nasdaq up just over two percent, so it
hasn't regained everything it lost on Friday, but it's getting there,

(10:29):
up four hundred and fifty six points twenty two thousand,
six hundred and sixty two overnight. The footsy one hundred
gain fifteen points nine four four to two, so a
small game there. The Asian markets, though, doing a bit
of catch up because the slofon in the US happened
after the Asian markets had closed, so the Nikke lost
one percent four hundred ninety one points forty eight thousand
and eighty eight. Shanghai Composite down eight points, that was

(10:53):
point one nine percent. The Aussi's lost point eight four
yesterday seventy five points eight eight eight three to close
and then six fifty close at thirteen thou three hundred
and fifty two. Lost one hundred and fifteen points point
eight six percent. Keimi dollar point five to seven three
four against the US, point eight seven eight nine Ossie
point four nine five to three against the Euro point

(11:13):
four to three oh one pounds eighty seven point three one.
Japanese En Gold still strong four thousand, one hundred and
ten dollars and Brent Brude sixty three dollars and forty cents.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
We will see you tomorrow. Andrew Keller, Sure and partners.
Pascal Tron thirty three million domestic box office over the weekend.
Is that good? It's not that good. Thirty three million.
They wanted forty, expected forty. The first Tron was back
in eighty two, earned sixteen and that suggested for inflation,
by the way, and this gives you an insight into
how poor movies are at the moment. Roofman was your

(11:46):
number two movie, came in at eight opening weekend eight million.
Third overall was One Battle after Another, which they tell
me is quite funny and entertaining. That came in at
six point sixty seven million overall. I'm reading that the
movie theater business for the whole year looks to be
up on last year. And I'm not sure that's particularly good,
because they don't think last year was that flat. It

(12:07):
may well be that movies are sort of a dying thing.
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Speaker 2 (12:21):
Boy, it's busy to tell you what Rajelina they think
has left Madagascar. The soldiers are currently threatening this is
the coup. Soldiers are currently threatening to seize the state
media headquarters. He can't speak to the people, the rumorers,
he's already left. Say Shell's had a vote over the
weekend and the opposition leader, a guy called the Hermione Patrick.
It was a runoff, so he got there fifty two
point seven percent of the vote, so he wins. So

(12:43):
that's interesting. And then we come to Cameroon, which had
voted yesterday. They take a while to count these votes.
The guy who runs the place is called Paul Biya.
He's been there for a while. In fact, he's been
there since nineteen eighty two. If he wins this time around,
they suspect he might, it means he will have run
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Speaker 8 (13:05):
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Speaker 4 (13:26):
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Speaker 6 (13:31):
Almost as if it was pieces falling into place.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
As if it just happened.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
The Era's Tour wasn't when all the pieces fell into place.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
This tour was just up when every single one of
us who had done so much work pushing inch by inch.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
To where then we all clicked together. The only thing laughed.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Is to close the book.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:11):
Down Disney Plus December twelve. She was at the football yesterday.
Chiefs were playing the Lions. You had some expectation it
could be a good game. It wasn't in the end. Unfortunately,
I got through two parts of Victoria Beckham, and Katie
informed me that after I went to bed the other night,
she did the third because she was committed to it.
But all the reviews you've read basically are the same,

(14:33):
and that is it's boring as she's got no personality.
You wish you saw more of a you were thinking
it could be like the David one. It isn't, and
so I got to two and I sort of gave up.
So that sounds the only reason I mentioned that is
because the Taylor thing. As much as I love Taylor
and what she is, that sounds to me to be
earnest and I'm not really into earnest Disney. Plus, did

(14:55):
I say December twelve? Look, you can boost your Christmas
season book shop and watch a bit of tailor as
you lead into Christmas. Now, these immigration numbers, I mean
you just count high from the fact that we're leaving
the country. Paul Spoony on these after the news, which
is next.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
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Speaker 2 (15:20):
Been Channel Shake loven. So he's also got domestic problems
back home. He's appointed the same prime minister that he
appointed before before that prime minister then and then the
new prime minister who's been reappointed went and appointed the
same cabinet that he did the first time that couldn't
get the budget through. So that's all going nicely. So
Catherine Field on that shortly meantime back here at twenty
three minutes away from seven other wake up call for

(15:41):
New Zealand incause these latest net migration figures show, yes,
the population is still growing, but barely ten thy six hundred.
In the year to August forty seven, nine hundreds left
the country. Paul Spoonley's the emeritus professor and Massa University
of sociologist, Back with us, Paul, Morning, Good morning. Make
the zero question. I always ask you when you're on
this program, do you reckon we'll be a net exporter
of people? What do you reckon? Now?

Speaker 12 (16:04):
I reckon we will be. When I last came on
your show, Mike, which is five or six months ago,
I thought we'd bottomed out. We haven't bottomed out at all,
and we're heading towards net losses. A net migration game.
I think we lasted it during the global financial crisis
twenty eleven twenty twelve. It went down to minus ten

(16:26):
thousand overall net loss and we're certainly hitting in that
direction again.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What worries you more the number of people leaving, all
the lack of people arriving.

Speaker 12 (16:36):
The people leaving At the moment, people don't arrive during
an economic downturn. When we look back again at the
global financial crisis, New Zealand wasn't an attractive place for migrants,
so the numbers drop. As soon as we came out,
numbers went up again, and they went up significantly. So
I'm anticipating that when we get out, those numbers will

(16:59):
go up again. But it's the numbers leaving. There are
two bits to that. One is that the numbers are
very high. They are the highest we've ever seen it
in our history, and the net loss.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
But we're also.

Speaker 12 (17:15):
Seeing a growing number of people who are New Zealand
citizens but not born here who are leaving. So we're
not retaining immigrants.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well do we hit?

Speaker 13 (17:26):
I know?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I mean, what do you say? I mean? Is everyone
just just to put a bluntly pissed off with New
Zealand and they can't wait to get out of the place.

Speaker 12 (17:34):
Well, I think that's the push thing that the labor
market's soft. Unemployment is high. The talk is not very positive,
so it's partly perception. Then what's happening in Australia. Australia
is doing well and it's attracting particularly our young people.
Increasingly our thirty something, so people have been in our

(17:55):
labor market and then outgoing and they're just being much
more competitive for around superannuation, the salary, all sorts of
bits and pieces that go on, and of course the
women will actively recruiting here and offering relocation packages. So
it's a mixture really of what's happening on shore and

(18:16):
the despondency and the feeling that we're just not providing jobs,
but also then what we see right across the Tasman's
of women shining example and really a strong attraction.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Is it permanent once you land in Australia and you
plug into their super and you get your job, Are
you done and you're never coming back? Or is it
just one of those things that there is a certain
group of people who will move where the good times are.

Speaker 12 (18:43):
Yep, both of those. I think that we've seen people
always leave New Zealand and come back the traditional oe
and even in these figures you can see a lot
of New Zealanders coming back, including from Australia. It's still
a major net loss, but they're still coming back. Saying
that worries me my bec is that the numbers are
growing and the numbers are growing over the other side

(19:04):
of the Tasman, and so you're getting grandmum and granddad thinking, well,
look the adult kids, the grandkids are all the other
side of the Tasman. What's keeping me here in New Zealand.
So we're beginning to see different dynamics in the migration.
When we've got what we call the center of gravity
somewhere else, in this case in Australia, then it is

(19:26):
an incentive for the rest of the family to go across.
And of course the guys across the other side of
the Tasman and say, look I'm getting I'm getting thirty
forty thousand dollars more more a.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Year than you are.

Speaker 12 (19:38):
My employers playing twelve percent superincuation. Come on, join us,
come come over with us. And so we're getting that
pull across the Tasman in ways that we wouldn't have
seen in the past. So there's all always be chuned.
But I do think we're entering a slightly different era.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Good on your poll. Always enjoy the insight, even if
it's negative pull. Splainly, the ameritus professor and MA University sociologist,
the settings seem right. It's not like we're not out
in the world saying come on in the Golden Visa
seems to be working to it, agree, but the numbers
just don't add up at the moment.

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Speaker 2 (21:37):
Catlin Field, morning to you. Good morning mate. So Macron's
there's what's the vibe in the EU? What is the
future of the EU and all these countries? What are
you going to do for the Middle East? We have
a plan.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Well, very difficult for the EU to have a plan,
where in fact that the last couple of months, the
EU has been making it very clear about what they
think about Israeli actions in Gaza and on the West Bank.
Essentially they are sidelined so much so that now they're
just retrenching and looking at how they can help the

(22:09):
Palestinian authority get back some credibility, get some sort of
clamp down on the corruption, and of course what the
EU has always been doing in Palestine, Palestine and on
the West Bank that whole area has been financial support.
Over the last two years, they've put in around a
billion New Zealand dollars, so of course that's going to

(22:31):
be needed, particularly in Gaza. They're also training police and
they think that they will have to support those border
areas such as the raffi boarding crossings. So essentially back
to what it was on the sidelines, leaving everything to
the Americans and the Israelis.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh okay, well, actually, while I've just got you on
the war, as war was the tomahawk comments from Trump
this morning, you might give the Ukrainians. Is that a
game changer? Do we still think about the Ukrainian War
was just obsessed with the Middle East of the moment.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
If you're in Europe, you're still thinking about the Ukraine war.
Let me tell you that, Mike. Yeah, it would be
a game changer. And we've also heard over the weekend
that the US military have provided the Ukrainian military with
targets within Russia, particularly strategics to targets such as oil refineries,
that sort of thing. So, yeah, the game is changing.

(23:25):
Of course, we're getting into winter. You know, it's been
a year since we were all worried about what was
going to happen. Russia has gained very little territory and
has lost a lot of its manpower. And we're also
starting to see a lot of reports from Russia, particularly
about things like petrol shortages, about people actually having to
get used to not having Wi Fi because a lot

(23:46):
of the Wi Fi the equipment has turned off to
try and use it for drones drone technology. So it's
starting to affect them in Russia. But as we've always said,
the war will go on until Pilton wants it to stop.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Explain how this work. So the guy who was there
for twenty seven days quits, then he gets reappointed, and
then in a sign of some hope that he had
revolutionized as cabinet, but he doesn't. So you've got the
same PM, the same cabinet. How does doing the same
thing change it?

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Ah, you would be talking about France's second government in
a week, Mike. Yes, lots of tantrums going on over
the last week, but yes, we do have another government
and it's going to could well be a short lived one.
He came up with the new government yesterday. A lot

(24:35):
of the same figures there, but a few senior civil
servants brought in a couple of well regarded figures from
civil society and there. It's going to come to a crunch,
probably within about twenty four hours, Mike, because we're getting
to the point where the government has to put constitutionally
it has to put the budget for next year before Parliament.

(24:57):
So they're going to do that tomorrow. The new Prime
Minister is going to of a policy speech Deparliament on
Tuesday afternoon. The far left and the far right in Parliament,
who were left out of all the negotiations about who
was going to be in the new government, they have
already tabled a motion for a no confidence vote in
this new government.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, Well, we'll see how that one goes for you.
By the way, that in and out of the EU
passport control and entry. Is that running like a Swiss
train or a knife.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Well, if you're anywhere there where, it's working. Yeah, I
mean this is the new entry and exit system. You're
going to really start noticing it for people who are
traveling into the external areas of Shingham, particularly from the
UK into France. Essentially, it's that enhanced passport check at
the external borders. That's going to mean facial scan and

(25:46):
fingerprints for people coming into the wider Shanan area.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I should talk Katherine Kefferfield in France for US this morning.
Just the other thing of night, by the way, and
keep an eye on this. The Dutch government have gone
and annexed a company called next Perier. They're Chinese dyeing
the chip maker. They're based in the Netherlands, so they're
looking to protect the supply of Europeans semiconductors. There are
quote unquote serious governance shortcomings. December last year, the US

(26:11):
government placed wing Tech. Wing Tech own next Perier. They
place wing Tech on their so called entity list. They've
identified the company as national security concerns, so there could
be some tension between the EU and China in the
next week ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Vita Retirement Communities News togs headvs.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Final Nobel Prize this morning. The names won't mean anything
to you. Joel Makiv, Philipp Ellon and Peter Howard are
their Nobel Economics Prize winners, having explained innovation driven economic
growth basically how innovation and the forces of creative destruction
can drive economic growth, explaining how technology gives rise to
new products and production methods which replace old ones, resulting

(26:53):
in a better standard of living in health and quality
of life basically for everyone economic growth. And this is
an important point that the committee made. Stagnation, not growth,
has been the norm for most of human history. So
Makia is that north Western University in the state agjonna
Is with the College de France and also at the

(27:14):
London School of Economics, and how it's at Brown University. Anyway,
Moki gets half the prize. I've not seen this before.
Three so once against three people doing the work. But
Maki gets half the prize. The other two split the
other half. So I don't know how that works. I
don't know whether they're happy with that. I don't know
whether it's even a thing, but they are your Nobel
Economics Prize winners for twenty twenty five, five minutes away

(27:35):
from seven, the.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
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Speaker 1 (27:38):
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to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
And the reference that. Briefly, we've got the numbers, the
QP House Index numbers out this morning. So what have
we got for the September quarter Q three average home
across the country's fall and a bit in value one
point one percent. That's on average national average is now
running at about nine hundred thousand. It's nine hundred thousand,
five hundred and twenty one dollars if you want the
Chichi precise figures. These reports still compare themselves to the
peak of jen of twenty two, so that means overall

(28:05):
we're down fourteen percent. Auckland down Big has dropped two
and a half percent for the quarter, Wellington down zero
point eight, Hamilton down one point six, christ Use down
zero point four, Dineedon down zero point two, Nelson one
point seven down. A couple of places down south went up.
Queenstown not surprisingly increasing one point eight for the quarter.
It's average year average price in that particular part of

(28:28):
the world now is one point eight eight six million dollars,
so it is the most expensive place in the country
by a mile. Invercargo was the other one, up one
point six percent, Morning Mike. Another consideration for New Zealand's
future is that Labor and Co. Will likely be back
in power from twenty six or twenty nine, enough to
put a shutter up any thinking New Zealand's spine. There's

(28:48):
all sorts of interesting things. The migration thing fascinates me endlessly.
One is I can mount you have done on this program.
I can mount you any number of statistics you want.
Steve I've asked him directly the other day said, as
Australia going Gangbuster is not not even close. But that
clearly isn't what really drives people's movement out of one
country and into another. Equally, I can argue, and I've

(29:08):
been thinking about this a lot too. Is Labor a
possibility in the election of next year? Yes, do I
think they're a likely possibility? No, now here's what I
think could happen. Don't think it will happen. Could happen, though,
in twenty twenty six Labour losers, that means the end
of Hipkins.

Speaker 15 (29:24):
Now.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Part of the problem with and why the texture is
so right is the possibility of labor the Maori Party
and the Greens is economically a disaster for this country.
So Labour losing twenty six does that mean they'll getting
in twenty nine better than even charts? Obviously government lasted
a couple of terms, maybe the last three if they
go really well, look at Alvin Eazy for goodness sake.

(29:47):
But once you get rid of Hipkins, does the labor
party view of the world, Because there are labor parties
and labor parties. There's a Bob Hawk labor party, there's
an Albanezy labor party, there's a Blair labor party, there's
a Starmer labor party. What labor party will it be
by say twenty twenty nine? That is probably worth thinking about.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Credible, compelling.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
The breakfast show, you can't bess it's the Mic Hosking
Breakfast with the Defender, Embraced the Impossible News Tomstad seven
past seven.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
So you can't argue with the stat I don't think
we're rolling in education at the moment. Turnarounds on the
new Phonics Literacy program shows as term three fifty eight
percent fifty eight of the new entrance or above expectations,
which is up from thirty six, and term one forty
three percent exceeding expectations, which is double term one. Erica
Stanford's the Education Minister back with us, very good morning
to you.

Speaker 13 (30:37):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Did you have numbers by way of expectation where you
just didn't know?

Speaker 13 (30:43):
We knew what we were probably going to see because
I had looked at schools who had already done this
for the last five years, and looked at the ADATA,
and we knew this is where we probably would be tracking.
But when you are rolling something out at scale across
the entire country and training over thirty thousand teachers is
in a brand new way of teaching reading, you just

(31:04):
don't know. So when we did see these figures come in,
it was a it was a good day.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Mike, is exactly is there more where that came from?
Do you think it is a huge amount?

Speaker 13 (31:13):
This is only one very small snapshot of our little
wee tiny five year olds. If they just start school,
we track them through so we test them again on
the same test at forty weeks, and then of course
from next year twice a year every year and reading, writing,
and maths, there will be a progress monitoring check in.
I dare not call it a test, but we will

(31:33):
be essentially assessing every child from year three to make
sure that they're on track with their reading, writing, and maths,
and that includes high level literacy like comprehension and those other.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
What we got yesterday, though, is that low hanging fruit?
Would you expect something if you change it up and
it's simple and it's easy to do or not? So
I say that again, is it low hanging fruit? In
other words, you're always anyone could do this.

Speaker 13 (31:58):
No, not anyone could do this because for decades we
have been following the three queuing men of look at
the picture, guess the word, and the previous government would
not put the little liron in the sand and say
we're not doing that anymore. We are going to switch
to phonics and sounding out the word and learning the
code and understanding a letter makes a sound. Now, you

(32:18):
can't get these results unless you are a government that's
prepared to stand up and say we're going to follow
the science and the evidence. James Chapman and New Zealand
has been fighting this for thirty years. It looks simple,
it looks easy. People are like, oh, it's just phonics.
But unless you have a government that's prepared to say
we're not going to look at the picture against the
word anymore, you don't get these results. So no, it's

(32:38):
not easy.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
So the Kaiapois thing you referenced in the press conference yesterday,
where did that come from? And why weren't we doing it? Anyway?
Because the question that came out to be Kiapoy answer
was a good one. Why aren't we or haven't we
been doing it?

Speaker 13 (32:52):
Because we new Zealand was the home of balanced literacy
and reading recovery, which was look at the picture and
guess the word. And we grew that movement and spread
it around the rest of the world. And we've been
hanging on to it desperately, even in the face of
declining data and evidence to show that it didn't work.
And I don't honestly, I don't know why, because there
are people who have been fighting it forever, but principles

(33:12):
like Jason Miles at Kayapoy and many others took that
step and did it themselves anyway, which helped me give
me the confidence in the data I needed to do it.
But look, I can't answer why we haven't done this earlier.
It's just honestly, it probably needed a government that was
prepared to, like I say, put that line in the sand,
and we did that.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Appreciate your time very much, Erica Stamp for Education Minister.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Ten past seven Pasky.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
At least, so far, so good. Twenty living hostages back
via the Red Cross. Israel released nearly two thousand prisoners.
The US President left Israel and as you've heard, has
been in Egypt as part of the so called peace process.
Steve Linder is with CBS Radio in Jerusalem, is back
with this morning.

Speaker 7 (33:52):
Hello from Jerusalem.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
How did it feel.

Speaker 7 (33:57):
Well?

Speaker 16 (33:57):
It today felt like really a very dramatic day here
in Israel. For the first time, I personally felt like
I could breathe. After the war was over after two
really long, harrowing years, and Israel's twenty live hostages were freed,

(34:20):
four bodies were released, even though there's still another twenty
four that are being delayed for some reason. And Israel,
for its part, three two thousand Palestinian prisoners, many of
them convicted terrorists.

Speaker 7 (34:36):
So all in all, it was an incredibly dramatic day.

Speaker 16 (34:40):
And now they're having a big summit in Sharmel, in
sharmal Seche, the resort town in Egypt where I've just
come from, and it.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
Should be a very dramatic time.

Speaker 16 (34:51):
But yes, the highlight probably was the hostage release from
Israel's point of view, the Palestinian prisoner released from the
Palestinian point of view, and the end of the war
from the point of view of the hole.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
At least, plenty of standing evotions in the Kanesse for
the US president. Is he a hero, was seen as
a hero locally there at the moment.

Speaker 16 (35:11):
Well, he certainly was given a heroes welcome in the Casset,
and he spoke for a very long time, over an hour.
But there were a couple of interruptions, including from two
members of Knesset from the left to try to interrupt,
and they were very quickly evicted from the parliamentary building.

(35:34):
But otherwise he was given a standing ovation all the
way through, and literally everything he said, and he said
some crazy things.

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Was well received in Israel.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
This the next few days, the next few weeks, whatever
has Diday been the easy part? In other words, does
piece hold, is the war really over? Do they rebuild Gaza?
Is the agnaflow and all the other questions.

Speaker 16 (35:59):
Well, I think the fact, seriously that President Trump has
put the full weight of his office behind the steal
is very significant, and it's taken a while, but he
really has shown that together with Qatar and Egypt and
the other media mediators, he can push them all to
make a deal. So yes, for the first time, there

(36:21):
is hope, hopeful feeling in the air, but you can
you can never tell, you know, the Middle East is
a very volatile place and literally anything can spark it
off again. And I'm just hoping from Israel's point of
view that the rest of the bodies are found and returned,
because that could be problematic. And from the Palestinian point

(36:44):
of view, you know, I hope that they don't feel
it necessary now to resume some of the terrorist campaign
against Israel, because you know, this has been a really
terrible two years for both sides.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
To appreciate Steveland, who's with CBS in Jerusalem this morning,
thirteen minutes past seven, Erica Stafford's amazing, so passionate and
enthusiastic labour didn't like to test our children as they
wanted them all the same level. Brilliant new she succeeding. Wow,
look at what happens Mike when your test kids get
rid of the wok idea that it stresses them out,
and focus on what's actually going to set these kids

(37:20):
up for a future, Michae. All we can hope is
that if we go back to a labor government, all
of Erica's great work is not undone out of spite. Well,
history tells us an interesting story there. Go back Minister
of Education Christopher Hipkins and have a look at what
he did to charter schools, and that was out of spite.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
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Speaker 2 (37:42):
At be looking forward to the catch up with Matt Paine.
What a weekend, What a history changing, career changing weekend
it was for Matt Paeney's with us live out of Melbourne.
After eight o'clock this morning, seventeen past New Incite meantime
into our wine industry, things look well, they look awesome
as far as they can work out. In Britain, simming
on blanc Shipment's ten year high, sports are up twenty
one percent year on year. We now own about half

(38:03):
of the two and a half billion dollar UK sab
blanc market. Tim Lightbourn is of course co founder of
ban Biever and he's back with us.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Tim Morning home, Mike.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Do you do well in the UK as well as
the industry, Yeah, we do.

Speaker 9 (38:15):
It's one of our biggest markets actually and it's going
really well for us.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And so how does it work? Is it just serving
you on blanc or is it a few bits and
pieces as well?

Speaker 9 (38:25):
It's pretty much just seven on blancs doing a majority
of the volume up there. You know, UK had a
really good summer in New Zealand and seventy was it
go to you talked about August? We sent or the
industry sent one point one million cases up there, so
about thirteen point two million bottles just in August.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Wowsers. And is it weather related economy because I would
have told you the British economy is a bit problematic.

Speaker 9 (38:49):
It was they had good weather. We would we could
track their weather once it we went over about twenty
twenty two degrees you could see New Zealand and Sevenyon
firing over the till on that day, So that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Great great weather.

Speaker 9 (38:59):
But also shift away from heavy reds. So we can
see Malbeck, Charraz, Mirlow, Cabinet seven, Yaron all down as well,
and chadone is down too. So New Zealand's avenyone has
become the go.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
To fantastic who competes with us in the Serbinion bloc
market in that part of the world. Wars that come
from South Africa or Chili or where.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
Yeah, South Africa and Chili are sort of our main
competitors really a back from the US, but mainly from
South Africa.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
And what price point do we unload this stuff to
your average palm?

Speaker 9 (39:27):
So the positive is that we're premium to the whole category, right,
so we're about seventeen percent higher than the average bottle price,
so we're not giving the stuff away. We're still commanding
a premium, which is key.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
That's awesome. I talked to Philip greg In a couple
of weeks ago. We seem to grow now a lot
of grapes. The last season we had a tremendous number
of gropes. A lot of them got left on the vine.
Are we growing too many grapes or not?

Speaker 9 (39:50):
It's a balance, I think, you know, with its demand
at the moment and if we can keep cracking the US,
we may not have enough, but it is a balance
every year, so we're just going to keep an eye
on it and not not lie the price too much.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And what's your vibe on the Serving yon Blanc story
And you know, in a multi decade success story, is
the world ever going to get sick of what we do?
In the Serving Yon Blanc department, thigive an indication.

Speaker 9 (40:17):
I was with two of the largest retailers in the
UK last week and they just want to keep the
pump on. They don't talk about sevenynths at a getting saturated.
They want to keep going. Next week we're in the
US and they're the same. So but we're only half
half markets of Australia at the moment, so there's still
plenty of wrenth to grow.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Fantastic good to catch up. Appreciate it very much to Lightbourn,
who's out of in Vibo problems and broadcasting at the moment.
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computing and AI asking seven twenty four. Right, some angst
in some media circles at the moment over funding for
MARI television news. Right, a couple of programs are facing
some sort of caut or cancelation or realignment because of
changes in the way that money is handed out from
the MARII funding agency. This is not new media in
this country. Post covid has gone through a fairly major overhaul,
with many a casualty in a pile of significant change.

(42:22):
The reality for media that is funded by the state,
as you beholden to the purveyor of the purse string
under the labor government, the amount of money handed out
to the media was ridiculous. The trouble with that sort
of large yess, of course, can never last. I mean,
fill your boots while you can, because as sure as
night follows day, reality or reckoning will come in terms
of MARI news programs. Here is the part that eludes me.

(42:43):
How is it, as we have seen this past week,
that all we ever get when funding gets adjusted is
a complaintethon. Basically a lot of moaning and bitching people
bemoaning their lot, fearing change. Here's your solution. If these
programs are of value as they claim they are, what
is stopping? What is ever going to the commercial sector
to get advertising or sponsorship support? Why is the government

(43:04):
the taxpayer the only source of income? If the Mari
news programs are so valuable, where's the Marie economy? The
Marie economy I have read any number of times, is booming.
There are any number of success stories in the Marie economy.
It's a growth sector. It is by some reports, indeed,
a booming sector. Investment has led to expansion and reinvestment
and riches. Where are they? Why aren't they advertising or

(43:26):
sponsoring these maor products? Can they not see the synergies?
How is it the connection has not been made? Business
is always looking for advertising or marketing outlets. Why are
the makers, producers and hosts of these programs not looking
to the commercial sector for an ongoing and stable level
of support. Why is the taxpayer the sole provider of
their paychecks? If you've got a product worth its salt,
if you are what you claim, relevant, popular and good

(43:50):
at what you do, there's always an answer. Asking now,
a couple of things on last night's pole. What I
like about last night's poll is it reminds us why
we really need to pay very little attention to holes.
So point number one are just to take one reference
out of last night's pole, National remained steady on thirty
four percent. Do they well they might last week there
were twenty nine. So the Careier poll last night. Last

(44:11):
week had them on twenty nine. Last night had them
on thirty four. That's a five point difference. That's the
difference between government and opposition. That's a difference between a
win and a loss, and a big one at that
or indeed, it could be anywhere in between. And of
course it's outside of the plus or minus three percent.
So therefore the credibility of poles once again has to
be you know, at least asked about. So the margin

(44:31):
of era is the interesting and this poll last night
the current government retains power and by some margin. The
other interesting thing was the subsession the media seems to
have with the Prime minister. Who's the popular prime minister?
Luxon's underwater? Tell you who else is underwater? Elbow? Look
at the numbers yesterday, Elbow's a mile underwater. Australian's allegedly
hate Elbow. He's a negative territory. But hold on, wait

(44:53):
a minute. Didn't Elbow hold an election? Yes he did?
And did Elbow win that election? Yes he did. Did
Elbow win by a record of margin, Yes he did.
So what people tell you in a poll bears no
relevance or reference whatsoever to what they will do on
election day. And that is why we keep saying that
election day is the only poll that counts. How is
it that Elbow can be so negative? And yet when
an election by so much so successful was Elbow, they

(45:16):
now talk of them not only two but three terms
and counting. And yet he's still negative. So a little
bit of perspective is required. So which is the right number,
and given it could be any one of them last night's,
last week's or any number in between, that currently is
the value of polls news. And then we'll get into tourism.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate, the my casking
breakfast with Bailey's real estate finding the buyers.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Others can't use togs dead body.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Three minutes away from mad Pain to relive Baptists for
us after eight o'clock this morning. Meantime, excuse me, we
might have some real hope and tourism here. I think
international visitors were up seven and a half percent in August,
so we now set at eighty eight percent pre COVID.
It's all Australia that is over half of all arrivals
of fifty two percent. China's at nine, the US is

(46:04):
at five. Grant Webster is the chief executive Tourism Holdings
and is with us. Grant morning, Good morning. How bullish
are you?

Speaker 8 (46:12):
Yeah? Really bullish. Let's get excited about tourism at the time.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Good So some talk that summer could see us back
at one hundred. Do you think that's true?

Speaker 8 (46:22):
No, not the summer. But you know we're well on track.
Look at that percentages that you were just talking about.
So we're well on track. We're heading to the right place.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Do you think we're overly reliant on Australia or.

Speaker 8 (46:32):
Is just what it is now? It's a time of
the year and it's where some of the campaigns have been.
So if you look at the forwards from some of
our more traditional markets that are all well up as well.
So now that's just a time of year and things
that are being focused on at the moment.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Okay, good, So the campaigns I was going to ask about,
do campaigns work and if they do, should we do
more of them?

Speaker 8 (46:53):
Yes? And yes, and the funding is there to do
more of them. And we've just got to make sure
that we're not taking a sugar hit, sugar rush kind
of approach to things and making sure that we're getting
sustainable about that something.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Because we did an interview a couple of weeks ago,
there was a regional initiative representing the North Island. Should
we be selling New Zealand as New Zealand or can
individual bits of New Zealand sell themselves internationally without splitting
the market too much?

Speaker 8 (47:19):
Again, it's and both. So the South Island's been campaigning
in that way for a number of years, so great
to see the North Island respond accordingly. You do get
customers that do one island all the other, so that's fine.
But at the end of the day, tourist of New
Zealand sells New Zealand and they sell it well, so
let's just keep supporting them and keep going. It's good
for the economy.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
We know that I read some Golden Week's stats the
Chinese are moving again, particularly to the UAE. But we
were in there is there something coming with the Chinese?
Are they back ish?

Speaker 8 (47:49):
I think that coming back? I think you know, the
Minister went up there a couple of weeks ago. Everything
I heard from that trip was extremely positive. Air capacity
starting to come back, Visa situations have been pretty well sorted.
So yeah, that's another one of those momentum points. So
I think you're going to see the next twelve months
really positive for newsialterers good.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
So is the government doing all they can on those visas,
pulling all those leaders they can?

Speaker 8 (48:14):
Yeah, the Administer APS has listened really really well to
the industry and when you look at the event funding
that was announced a few weeks ago, when you look
at the visa changes, yes, is the simplanswer to that.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And the capacity on airlines where are we at with it?

Speaker 8 (48:31):
So we still want more. So we've only got small
single digit growth in their capacity this calendar year. Australia
is outstripping us in their capacity and that's something we
have to continue to watch. It'd be great to see
the government lean into that as their next initiative. And
then that would set us up again for a much
much better calendar twenty six and we can get back

(48:52):
to that one hundred percent sooner than what some of
us are anticipating.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And your company is doing, how New Zealand is doing
or have you got to do diferent story?

Speaker 8 (49:01):
No, from an international tourism into New Zealand, we are
doing the same more better than the broader stats. I mean,
from an employment perspective, Mike, we're looking at employing right
at the moment, We've got about one hundred and fifty
people we're looking to employee it this summer and that's
up about close to twenty percent on last year. Wow,
that gives you a pretty good indication of the difference

(49:22):
that this industry can make to the economy.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Fantastic, And are people easy to get or not?

Speaker 8 (49:28):
It's much easier than what it's been historically. Now obviously
is not necessarily a good indicator for the broader economy,
but no, we're happy with large, large number of applicants
for all sorts of roles.

Speaker 17 (49:39):
Good.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
And what do you make of the dollar? I mean,
if you're handing over forty three p or whatever it
is at the moment, I mean that we've got to
look at bargain, don't.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
We exactly right? You're on it again. We are, we are,
We are a bargain. Australia is a bargain, so this
region in particular when you think that the US still
hasn't got the mojo back yet. So you know, we've
got to make the most of that at the moment,
and we are well done.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I know you're in a part of the world where
it's four thirty in the morning, so I do appreciate
you getting up early for us very much. Nice to
Nice to talk to your Grant Webster, who is the
chief executive Tourism Holdings four thirty five here Wednesday. Simon
Watts Award for appearing on the program at an inopportune
moment twenty one. No, it's not nineteen minutes away from
eight kers being to the Ordland to go to doubtful sound.
Tourists everywhere, full boats, full buses, good good, good, Mike.

(50:28):
What's wrong with Australians. You made it sound like it
was a bad thing. No, I didn't mean for that.
What I'm saying is, in any given market, you want
to diversify when your entire world is potentially your customer base.
To have fifty two percent from a singular country makes
you overly reliant on that singular country. And if that
country wakes up one day and decides that we're no

(50:49):
fun anymore, that's a lot of market share to lose.
So diversifications, the key, eggs and baskets, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
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Speaker 3 (51:02):
It'd be.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
I was somewhat in Bolden yesterday when I saw Brian
Tommicky had failed to get permission to walk across the
Harbor Bridge in Auckland for another one of his protests.
The sooner we get. I just don't know why we
don't have rules in this country around these sort of things.
They do it all the time in Australia, it ends
up in court. Nothing seems to end up in court
in this country. Nobody seems to go to court and
there seems to be no rules around. There are certain
things or certain places. They had the Sydney Opera House

(51:26):
the other day that they weren't allowed to go for
a pro Palestinian march. The police went to court and
said it's insane. It's just trouble waiting to happen. So
the judge rule in their favor. Why don't we have
rules whereby there are certain plants, yeah, like State Highway one.
Blocking people from going about their business is not part
of your protest movement. So anyway, Tamicky was going to
go across the Auckland Harbor Bridge on Labor weekend, but
they said forget it. He claims he had postponed it. Anyway,

(51:49):
But back and forth it goes. So the fear of that,
that sort of nonsense. We have the better from the
n ZBA, the Banking Association. I think I've got good
news on money generally this morning. The first town buyers
very much back in the housing market, which is good.
Hardship status is down, so that's encouraging. Only six seven
hundred and seventeen people were in some sort of trouble
in the first six months of this year, which is

(52:10):
hardly anybody. Once I tell you how many home loans
were put out about the place. Home loan areas as
steady hard leaning ones and home loan arears one point
five percent, so that's encouraging. And there were sixty for
the period there were sixty thousand, two hundred and forty
nine new home loans. Twenty five percent of them were
first home buyers. So don't tell me that the first

(52:31):
home buyers can't afford a home, because they can. Carl
came around to the house yesterday. You'll be thrilled to know.
I know you spent a bit of the time yesterday
worrying about me and my coffee machine. But I'm here
to report it to all good news. As it turns out,
it was an interesting emotional day for me because the
other thing that came out of Carl is Carl's been
to our place before, and he's done the coffee machine before.
But Katie put out a bit of a call for

(52:52):
a couple of other people to come around and maybe,
you know, enjoy the business at our place of fixing
my constantly broken coffee machine away I know, and ring
back and so in a cost of living crisis, once again,
I reiterate the business to people want business or not?
Is it really that hard, honestly to ring back and
say I'm busy or I'm flat out, or I've got
so much business I don't have time for yours, or

(53:13):
I don't know. Yes, I can come around in a week, say,
or just ring back. Is it that hard? Can't be
that hard, But people find it too hard to ring back.
If you find it too hard to ring back, you'll
be amazed at how slow your business can be. Anyway,
cartoons up, and I'm in a relationship with my machine.
And without sounding like too big a pratt, I have
now three machines. So one machine he offered to take away,

(53:36):
which is in a cupboard that needs a part, and
he offered to take it away, get the part, put
it back together in all its glory, and I thought,
that's a good idea, so we'll do that. The other
machine I had, which I bought when the first machine
and the cupboard broke down, is an okay machine. It's
not a great machine. It's a fine machine. It's a
machine that coffee snobs are going you go one of those,
Hey loser anyway, So I've got one of those machines.

(53:58):
So I'm not emotionally attached to that machine. But the
one at home I am attached to because I worked
out it's a two thousand and eight model, so I've
had it for whatever number of years that is, and
it's still going and there comes a point in life,
and it's like relationships. There comes a point in life
where you go, you know what, You're quite good. I
quite like you. And this one at home's a commercial machine,
and so it's got that. I'm a serious machine. I'm

(54:20):
not to be messed with. Yes, I'll break down a
lot because I was made in Italy, but all things
made and literally breakdown a lot. But stick with me
because I'm quite good looking, and I've got a personality,
and I'm quirky, and you've known me for a while
and you've come to lost it.

Speaker 9 (54:34):
Hang on, is this the machine?

Speaker 8 (54:36):
Are you trying to convince the listeners to keep listening
to you?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It's the machine, right, it's the machine. And so when
Carl came around, he's starting with very negative Carl. Initially
he started indicating that things might not be able to
go well anymore. And I thought, oh my god, it's
the end of the machine, machine exactly. My default position
immediately is twofold one is right, had a good time
with it, no problems. That's the life of the machine.
Fifteen sixteen years. We'll move on. Second reaction default position

(55:01):
is oh cool, I could buy a new machine. Then
he said, don't worry, I can fix it. Went oh,
So then I thought I'm stuck with the old machine.
But then I went, no, but I love my machine.
It's such a cool machine. So anyway, put it back
together again, and it's working fantastically, and so I've got it.
Next time, no exactly, and there will be next time.
There will be a next time. But I am now
so in love with my machine. I am determined to

(55:23):
keep it alive for as long as I'm alive. I
want to die with my machine.

Speaker 8 (55:28):
So I've sort of going a coffee style Terry Shivo situation.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
There's something weird going on. Did I sound weird and
offering that explanation? Or is everyone with a coffee machine going?
I hear you, brother? Ten minutes away from eight.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
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Speaker 2 (55:45):
Right, I was having away from Matt Paine is going
to be with us after right. But he isn't the
only young young New Zealander whos made a bit of history.
Riley James is your new youngest ever New Zealander to
win the National super Championships average age of the competitors.
He was fifty one, Riley sixteen Riley James as well
this morning. Good morning and Warmer's congratulations. Tell us about

(56:07):
the tournament. What did you think your chances were going in?

Speaker 8 (56:12):
I think my.

Speaker 17 (56:12):
Chances were always high from the practice table. I always
knew if I was in the right head space. I
play some of the best snooker in the country.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
So how much time do you spend practicing.

Speaker 15 (56:28):
I've actually not been.

Speaker 17 (56:29):
Playing a lot of snooker for the last month. I've
been playing just eight ball, Paul as I have a
lot of poll tournaments, and so I actually haven't spent
a lot of time practicing snooker. But if I do,
maybe two to three.

Speaker 15 (56:42):
Hours a day.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Because I watched your final, and to get to the
final you beat the number one ranked player and the
number two ranked players, so it's not like you weren't
tests today.

Speaker 15 (56:52):
Oh yeah, and I and I was behind them both
of the game.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
So fantastic.

Speaker 15 (56:58):
How to pull it out?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
You're not professional? Will I take it?

Speaker 15 (57:00):
Are you?

Speaker 17 (57:02):
I'm not professional?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Do you think you will be?

Speaker 17 (57:06):
I will definitely be a professional and a Q sport discipline.
I don't know if it will be snooker, but I'll
definitely be a prayer at something.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
When do you think you'll turn pro?

Speaker 17 (57:19):
Hopefully by the age of eighteen to twenty, so.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You've got a couple of years to go. Where do
you think you are form wise? Currently? You still improving?
I'm always improving, good mind you? What was eleven frames?
Was the format? What was your average break? Were you
scoring well?

Speaker 17 (57:38):
I was struggling quite a bit throughout the tournament, but
I'm always a heavy score so I think I'd be
averaging thirty plus every time someone leaves me on, hopefully
or I like to think that.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So how did you get into Q sports?

Speaker 8 (57:54):
Through my dad?

Speaker 2 (57:55):
My dad?

Speaker 17 (57:56):
My dad used to play a bit of Paul so
I can play one day and I wanted to pick
up a queue.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
What do you reckon it is? Do you reckon it's
God given it's natural or anyone can really learn it?

Speaker 17 (58:09):
I think to a certain extent is natural ability. But
anyone could pick up a Q and be pretty good
at it.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
And back next year to defend your title.

Speaker 14 (58:21):
One.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
What's your top break?

Speaker 17 (58:24):
By the way, my highest break, and I've practiced by
myself as I've had multiple one four sevens well in
a game, it's one hundred and thirty.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
One hundred and thirty is very good score at the
best of times. In the one four seven's given you
playing with nobody, you wouldn't freak yourself out, would you.

Speaker 17 (58:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
No, it's normal you reckon you do one four seven
under pressure.

Speaker 17 (58:48):
Maybe I'd like to say the highest I've ever got
to and a one four seven is about the eighty
and ninety range.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
What's the prize? By the way, do you get a
player trophy?

Speaker 17 (59:02):
Yeah? I got a big trophy that I can't take
to my house, but I did get two miniature trophies.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
But the big one's got your name on it, and
that's all that counts.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
Yeah, that stays there forever.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Good on your mate, Well done Riley James, New Zealand
Snooker Champion sixteen unreal overnight in China. Mark Williams boat
sure murphy in the current final of that particular tournament.
Mark Williams is fifty, so he's at the other end
of the spectrum of Riley. But if you ever want
to see, if you ever want to see a style
of player, I mean, Ronnie's your ultimate and just about
every aspect of snooker obviously, But if you ever want

(59:35):
to see a guy walk a table with confidence and
strike a ball with just an ease that you wonder
how it's possible. He looks that fluid, that good, that relaxed,
that cool. Mark Williams as your man now, Matt Paine,
if talking of success over the weekend, this Bathhurist thing was,
it wasn't just Bathhurst. It wasn't just a win. It

(59:57):
was a win for the ages. Given the circumstances. We
relived the magic with Matt Payne next.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Be it a seven past day Sunday on the mountain
in New Zealand Sports Story of the year so far.
Matt Payne wins Bathhurstay started eighteenth and yet another lesson
that one hundred and sixty one laps is a long
way and when the rain arrives, it's all on. He
joins the greats Murphy, Van Gisbergen and McLaughlin. He's still
only twenty three and Matt Payne is with us. Matt,

(01:00:32):
good morning, good morning, Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:00:34):
How are you very well?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Indeed you're back home?

Speaker 15 (01:00:37):
I am back home. I just we drove back from
Bathurst back to Melbourne yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Fantastic. What was Sunday night?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Like?

Speaker 15 (01:00:47):
It was cool? It was really awesome too, Yeah, so great.
What was an amazing day with all the team and
all the guys and girls. They really enjoyed it. Yeah,
we had a good celebration in some of them. Yeah,
went a little bit harder than myself, but I think
they deserved it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
There are so many parts of it that I can relive.
I mean, did it feel at the time in any way,
shape or form enjoyable like this was something profoundly brilliant
that was unfolding.

Speaker 15 (01:01:21):
That's a good question. There was a lot of moments
during that last phase where I was in the car
and it was really wet where it was it was
actually really sketchy in those conditions, Like there was a
couple of times where all I was thinking was just
actually trying to just stay on the road there was
that much water down. But there were parts, you know,

(01:01:44):
obviously before I got in and watching the battles that
the race was already having when it just started to rain,
and I think, you know, thinking about it from a
punter's point of view. I think it would have been
pretty enjoyable to watch, but being and the cop it was, yeah, pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Hard work at the end of it. When the cloud
came over the top of the mountain as well as
the rain, was that unnerving.

Speaker 15 (01:02:10):
No, I don't think so, Like we've done so many laps,
you know at that point, so we were you know,
I think everyone everyone just was built in on muscle
memory and just driving around. But yeah, every lap I
was going over it was getting slightly worse. So I
think if we were out there for maybe another ten minutes,
it could have got quite quite sketchy and quite dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
What did you make and a couple of laps to go?
Golding and Murray are in front of you, and you're
going up the hill and they take each other, well,
they sort of take each other out, tap you get
your big break? Did you think something like that could happen?
Did you have a plan at that point?

Speaker 15 (01:02:50):
Yeah, well I initially tried to have a guy at
Cooper and I kind of knew that I was I
needed to do it quite cleanly because I've sort of
race coupe for a while and you know, obviously with
that amount of pressure on and and the wind right
there for him. I knew he was going to race
really hard, so I kind of knew that Golding was

(01:03:11):
going to I knew he was going to have a crack,
and he was really fast, so I kind of had
a feeling something was going to happen. But when I
saw him get a really good run out of turn one,
and I knew he's probably going to have a go here,
and I knew it was it was going to be
dicey trying to pass into turn two, and yeah, as

(01:03:32):
soon as the as as he turned him, I just thought, shit,
I'm going to do a Bradbury.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Once you hit the lead, do you become nervous or
does your mindset ads in any way, shape or form
or not.

Speaker 15 (01:03:47):
Oh, it definitely adjusted a bit. I knew that. I
knew that I really still had to keep pushing, you know.
And and it's really hard when you're out in front
because you don't have any reference from the car in
front of you, so it's really hard to pick where
you're going to break how much grip do he thinks
at the corner, especially because it actually was drying up
a little bit, and that made it quite hard to

(01:04:10):
find a little bit extra speed, and James behind me
was was obviously he was really fast and he was
able to sort of break off me and catch up
to me as well as Dave as well. So yeah,
there certainly was a mindset shift, but especially you know
the last lap, you know, was I don't think I
was thinking about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
I was trying to survive, so as your engineer in
your ear a lot at that point or.

Speaker 15 (01:04:34):
No, Yeah, he actually did a really good job. You know,
like if if you were to listen back to the
radio coms, you know, just of our last twenty laps,
it probably wouldn't sound like we were, you know, trying
to win the death of this one tho. Isn't it
sounds like he was we were just out of practice
day and he was we were just doing the race

(01:04:54):
run or something like that. He was he was awesome
at staying carm and that makes it difference when you're
so in the heat at the moment and you're just
trying to make all the right decisions, And that certainly
is definitely a good thing to have.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
The fascinating thing for I mean, I suppose all of
us is is the shootout which you'll want to be
part of and all that sort of stuff, and you've
had last time you're on this program, we talked about
your quality speed, which is great, and it wasn't that
great that day. But I mean, the shootout is sort
of a separate event, isn't it, because it doesn't matter
where you start, its literally anything can happen.

Speaker 15 (01:05:28):
Yeah, certainly, I definitely still knew that, you know, even
starting from eighteenth that we were always you know, within
a shot, and everyone knew the weather was going to
be up and down that day, so it was it
was always a bit of an unknown, you know, heading
into the race, and as soon as it started raining,
that's when everything sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Turned up a notch.

Speaker 15 (01:05:50):
But yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately this year we just didn't have
We didn't have a great Friday. Our car speed just
wasn't very good. It was, Yeah, it's quite difficult to
drive at points, so it made it hard to try
and get everything out of it over one lap, and
especially when you have so many sets of ties thrown

(01:06:11):
at you and with the margins thing so close, you
can't afford to be slightly behind the eight ball. So yeah,
unfortunately we just got caught out, which was a bit
of a bumber. I always liked be in the top
ten there, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Exactly, but it worked out well. And then hold on, mate,
we'll come back with more in a moment. Matt Pains
with us Live Out of Melbourne thirteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
It be News Talks a B sixteen past eight Bethurs Champion.
Matt pain is with the Sound of Melbourne this morning.
You can't at the end, Mat in what state was it?
I mean I looked at Brown, for example, driving his
car back with his bonnet missing, and I watched Feenie
in the fence and a sawcer sticky in about a
million pieces? What shape was your current?

Speaker 15 (01:06:53):
By the end, it was it was actually all right.
We did had a lot of other cars. Garth had
a lot of cars as well, but it was actually
not too bad. You know, a bit of front and
rear damage. He did run over a damper that came
out of the Yeah, the DJ car out of the

(01:07:16):
out of the elbow, which, yeah, it wasn't great. I
think it did a bit of damage to the underfloor,
but relatively unscathed. Unlike my teammates Kar kai.

Speaker 13 (01:07:27):
He was.

Speaker 15 (01:07:28):
He was a bit of a punching bag for a
lot of guys out there, I think, so he is
looking pretty secondhand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You've mentioned Garth Tander his value and his role in
your success over the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Oh it was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
It was incredible.

Speaker 15 (01:07:44):
You know, he's he's such an iconic character of the sport.
You know, he's got a he's got a pretty funny personality.
But I think he's he was really good.

Speaker 17 (01:07:55):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:07:55):
Obviously doing it second time round with him was was
pretty cool. So there was there was no change from
last year, and I really did want to, you know,
improve on last year. It was a bit of a
shock of for us and I sort of wanted to
redeem myself a little bit. But you know, in the
in the heat of the moment and in the weekend,
you know, you don't really think about that. But yeah,

(01:08:17):
he's really good. You know, he's got so much knowledge
and experience around that place. And we actually didn't really
end up giving him too many laps in practice because
we were trying to make our race card betters.

Speaker 8 (01:08:27):
But he was still he was still good in the race.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
So, yeah, did your success this season And we've talked
about the side of it before. Did your success this
season lead you mentally arriving at Bethhurst with a belief
that you can be a winner? Does that bit help?

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (01:08:44):
One. You know, we've had some really good speed this year,
some really cool wins. But but also I think our
consistency over the years has been really strong, you know,
and I sort of we sort of go to each
track now knowing that you know, we're going to be
okay when we roll out of the truck. It's just
about it's just about making it great. But unfortunately we

(01:09:09):
we just didn't quite get onto it early enough, you know,
on the on the Thursday practice we just went that strong.
But if I actually look back at at Sunday when
it was dry, I think our race car and the
dry was still pretty quick as well, so which was
good news.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Do you like the wet?

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 12 (01:09:28):
I love it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:29):
I knew it was going to be raining, and I
knew I knew it was going to be really tough.
You know, that's probably one of the toughest tracks to
drive around in the wet, especially when it was really wet,
and those conditions were pretty pretty hard. But yeah, I
always love it. We don't really get many opportunities over
here to race in the wet let alone driving it,

(01:09:49):
so it was it was pretty enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Because I think that's the thing. You can't have it back.
But I mean, the first sixty something laps were they
were fine, but it was just another dry day race
and not a lot was happening. There were no there
were safety cars, and then the rain came and it
was all on, I mean, and that's what turned that
victory into something special, didn't I mean, that's it had
it all?

Speaker 15 (01:10:10):
Oh yeah, absolutely. The wet weather just creates another sort
of level playing field. I guess you could say, I
think there's still is always going to be your set
up is going to have a big factor, you know
when especially we all pretty much had dry race setups
in the cars and then it starts raining, so it's

(01:10:30):
not going to handle the best. So you're trying to
do changes in the pet stop to make it a
little bit better, and so everyone was doing that. But
it certainly made it more entertaining for the fans. I
think they think everyone enjoyed it, and everyone I've spoken
to has said it's been one of the greatest races
they've seen for a very long time, you know, probably

(01:10:52):
almost on par was Bathurst twenty fourteen, but that's pretty
hard to top exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
How do you do you think people see you differently
now within the paddock and outside the panic.

Speaker 15 (01:11:04):
I don't think so, you know, it's it's obviously great
to get on the resume, and you know, to have
had that achievement so early on, you know, obviously really
grateful to you know, the race played out how it
did because I was thinking when I was in the car,
it's it. There's so so many decisions throughout those even

(01:11:26):
the last thirty laps. There's so many different phases of
it where it could have so easily gone wrong and
I could have just been sitting here with a ninth,
eighth or a fifth, you know, and nothing would have changed.
But yeah, I don't think anyone would have would see
me any different now. I'm still still just mad in
the paddock and I still feel like I'm a pretty

(01:11:48):
friendly guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Good on you, mate, And so you've got Gold Coast
sand down and Adelaide's still to come. And no matter
what really happens now that you I mean, this has
been the season of your life, hasn't.

Speaker 15 (01:11:58):
It absolutely, you know, like to be able to win
the JR Trophy first, you know, and now Bathurst. It's
it's literally been a dream year for us as a team.
You know, there's a there's a few races there I
wanted to tick off on my list and luckily we
have done that basically already, you know, in our third year,

(01:12:21):
which is really cool. But like you said, there's there's
still three more rounds ago and the championship has always
been the goal.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Family super happy.

Speaker 15 (01:12:30):
Yeah, they were stoked. Yeah, I've had so many messages
from people and in New Zealand and people I haven't
heard from for a long time. It's it's pretty cool
to hear all the support and you don't you don't
really realize how many people watch Bathurst. It's it's it's
an event that I think captures a lot of a
wider audience than probably usual races, and it was just

(01:12:53):
good that it was obviously that entertaining and I think
people really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
They did indeed, and we have were catching up with
you mate, warmest congratulations again, go well for the rest
of the season. But ierviick. Thanks Mike, good onn you mate,
Matt Paine out of Melbourne this morning for US eight twenty.

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(01:14:18):
He'll go a long way. I think that's true, bathurist, Mike.
The Melbourne Cup of Motorsport. It's good way of putting it. Mike,
thanks for getting matt On. He's a great young man.
Thrilled for him. Him and Ryan ryan Wood will have
a great future. I think that's true too. Is there
any such thing Mike is in inarticulate motor racer? Very
good question. You like Riley James as well. That young
fellow playing snooker was quite amazing, Mike. Mike Williams maybe,

(01:14:39):
but he's no Eddie Charlton, mature sounding young man. Amazing
what being committed to something does for a young person.
New Zealand needs more of it, and so it goes.
Starmer Is along with the rest of them. In charmel
shape in Egypt and so Britain's Roland is what is it?
And that another UK matters for us. Right after the
news here on the Mike Hosking Breakfast, you just talk ZEDB.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Our discussion earlier on reference once again all the people
leaving New Zealand. Of course in one of the attractions
in Australia is your twelve percent and your superannuation and
all that sort of stuff. But as always by we
we're just yesterday, Charm Jim Charms. The Treasurer six changes
to the superannuation legislation going to be dropping the taxing
of unrealized gains, bringing in indexing for balances over three
million dollars going to be a forty percent tax rate

(01:15:33):
on balances over ten million dollars. Earnings on balances above
three million dollars going to be taxed at thirty percent. So,
in other words, it's the classic thing you think it's
set to go until it isn't. And they're going to
extend the little five hundred dollars gift to eight hundred
and ten dollars for the under thirty seven thousand people
and are a little bit different for the people over
forty five. So in other words, it's a classic labor policy.

(01:15:53):
What I'm saying is that for all of the bright
times and good rules and fun things you can do
in Australia, even they in a superannuation scheme that you
would have think or thought was sorted, they're still mucking
around with it. And the people who do the mucking
are always the government. Twenty two minutes away from.

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Speaker 15 (01:16:16):
UK rod little, good morning to you, good molling to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Mate, mister Starmer is of course in Egypt along with
all the rest of them. What are you guys going
to be doing with us? I mean, are your boots
on the ground? Are you giving money to Gazi handing
them bricks? What happens?

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
I think we are of similar importance in the Peace
Steel unveiled in by Donald Trump today and signed in Egypt.
We're in a similar position too. I think Kiribati and
Guinea Bissau in terms of our influence and input towards
peace in the region. We've pledged twenty million quid, which
will just about buy you a tower block for a

(01:16:54):
few Palestinians. We've been excluded from all of the peace talks.
All we've done is applaud from.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
The sidelines, exactly, and that would be have something to do.
I suspect in Trump's mind anyway, that when you recognize Palestine,
you'd be on the wrong side of us.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
I think that's exactly it. I think recognizing Palestine was
a decision which was made purely for domestic reasons, purely
for secure Stalma's own domestic purposes, to keep his backbenches
at bay, and actually meditated against their being a piece
in the middle of East. It was a counterproductive act.
And I think Starmer probably knows that if we're honest,

(01:17:36):
so we have played no role whatsoever in this, can
take no credit from it, will not have boots on
the ground, will not be will probably bug the Palestine
into a bit more than twenty million quid. I mean
twenty million quid is roughly what we'd already ear marked
to give to them in order videause, of course, Palestine

(01:17:59):
gets enormous amounts of money from guilty looking Western countries
every year and that's what we were going to give
this year. I don't think o're involved with He's going
to be much more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
To be honest, Mike, No, Tommy Robinson in court. Is
Elon Musk playing his bills? I mean, is that, drue?

Speaker 7 (01:18:15):
Do we know?

Speaker 6 (01:18:17):
Don't know for certain, However, Tommy Robinson idol of the
British right or the far right, and I think we
can say that in fairness. On Tommy Robinson arrested as
he tried to get onto Channel Tunnel train in a
very very expensive Bentley car and with fifteen thousand quid
in the glove box which he was apparently taken to

(01:18:39):
a mate in Bennydorm. He's been charged under the terrorism
offenses questionably, you might add, but because he refused to
give his pin number to the police. He says it
this is a case of persecution. But he hasn't asked
for money from his followers. He says that the bills

(01:19:03):
will be paid by Evon Musk. I don't have any
confirmation from for that, but it wouldn't surprise me husually
there has been contact between them in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Now when we said on the program. I referenced briefly
as business of the Chinese case. British guys, a couple
of young British guys who are alleged to have been
spying for China, and suddenly the case collapses. And I
know that bed Knock since we last took bed Knock's
written to the Prime Minister and said, I've got a
few questions for you. Has she got some Is she
going to get some traction out of us?

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
I think she will get traction out of this. I
think it is a problem for the government. No matter
what the Security Minister Dan Jarvis says, there is a
real problem for the government here that the case collapsed
when there was ample evidence from m I five and
from the security services generally that China is, indeed, were
any evidence needed a threat to the UK. You know,

(01:19:58):
the the boss of NI five has pointed out that
there are two thousand outstanding investigations into Chinese spying against
Britain and the ten thousand British firms were at risk
from losing valuable data to the Chinese. So it simply
doesn't stack up that China wasn't a threat. The question

(01:20:21):
which remains and This will come when the various government officials,
including Jonathan Powell, are interviewed as to whether they were
directed to say that China wasn't a threat by the government,
or came to that conclusion themselves without telling the government,
which seems a bit far fetched to me, or what
exactly transpired between them and the Crown Prosecution Service. Either way,

(01:20:46):
the Speaker of the House, Lindsay Hoyle, is enraged because
he thinks it brings the safety of House of Commons
members into doubt because one of the spies worked for
a House of Commons MP, and this won't go away,
even though it's possibly too complex and our cane to

(01:21:06):
grab kind of mass cultural attention.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Interesting. Well, we're not into mess cultural attention. We're just
into interesting stuff, which is why we've got you. It's
just a couple of quickies if you wouldn't mind the
SMP and the conferences. I mean this fascination with the
second vote. Starmer's got to tick off a second vote.
Does that put him in a corner or would you
just tell them that?

Speaker 6 (01:21:26):
Nef Off, I think the people who are in the
corner of the SNP, I think they are on the run.
Partly because the maladministered Scotland for the best part of
a quarter of a century, partly because the last administration
was seen to be corrupt, and partly because they only

(01:21:46):
really have one policy now, which is independence, and independence
isn't terribly popular at the moment. So I think it
wouldn't surprise me if, if desperate are in the polls
of the moment, if they possibly took SNP seats in
a fuse coming election, the SNP are on their uppers,

(01:22:07):
do you know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
And here's the other thing that I completely forgotten this
because I assume when he left leadership he left the Parliament,
but he didn't. But this is Rushiek who's still an MP.
How is it as an MP you get to take
a pay gig with Microsoft and not have a monumental
conflict of interest.

Speaker 6 (01:22:24):
No, I think there will be a conflict of interest
somewhere down the line. I think that people will dig
this up at the moment he's got away with it,
because because this is what former former prime ministers have done.
Every former prime minister, with the noble exception of Gordon Brown,
have taken humongous fee paying jobs with multinational companies, the

(01:22:47):
difference being that in most cases they weren't still serving MPs.
I think this will come back to bite Rishie Sonapes
when as.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Weirdest rule in the world. Rod always a pleasure. We'll
see you see you next week. Rod Little out of Britain.
Yssumed he had gone, but he's the MP for Richmond.
And so just think about the MP four. You know,
pick an electorates in New Zealand, your local MP from
your electorate and they announced that not only are they
an MP, that they've now got a job with Microsoft
that they're being paid for. I mean, how would that

(01:23:16):
sit here? I think the answers on your behalf not
very well. Six eight, let's make it eight forty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
At B nice reminder of the email morning, Michael, love
the show. Your enthusiasm with motorsport. Not sure if you
caught up with Earl winning. Your boys supported him, particularly
in the early days, Jack Aiken, Earl Bamba, Frederick Vesty
Cadillac second success of particularly Mom victory now I completely
forgotten about. That's a very good point. I appreciate it, Mike.
I was in Auckland over the weekend. When are you
going to give up on that overpriced rat race and

(01:23:51):
move down here to christ you to get twice as
much of your money in less traffic. Ben very good question.
I was looking at one roof yesterday, three very nice
houses listed in christ Church just yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Question.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
We had a conversation would you live in a high
rise in christ Church? Given the scenario, would you go
if you could buy anywhere in christ Church? Would you
live in a high rise off the ground given the circumstances,
and the answer you go, oh yeah, no construction, blah
blah blah. But would you still do it? Because a
couple of beautiful apartment buildings in christ Church these days,
and obviously christ Church, with its topography, you just get

(01:24:22):
spectacular views. And I lived in a pre quake. I
lived in an apartment in christ Church, briefly in the
air until one on the ground became available. And the
one on the ground I like better than the one
in the air. So I went on the ground, not
because of anything to do with earthquakes, because it was many,
many years ago. But the ground had a bit of
outdoor space, and I thought, oh yeah, that's not bad.

(01:24:43):
But the views up in the air in christ Church.
But would you live happily in christ Church? How many
eggs do you eat a year? That's the other thing
that caught my attention yesterday. I don't eat eggs. I
don't like eggs. I don't like anything to do with eggs.
And I put that down to well, it's not my
mother's fault. But as a little child, at two three
four years old, I used to eat a boiled egg
every day, literally, and Mum made the mistake of saying

(01:25:07):
things like what do you want for lunch? Instead of
just giving me food like a proper parent, She go
what do you want for lunch? And I'd always say
boiled eggs? So I ate so many boiled eggs. I'm
convinced that's the reason I hate them. Now, did you
go hard boiled soft boiled soldiers in Glean? I was four.
I don't know what I did, but anyway, we did
it every day. Anyway, I hate them down, I don't
eat them, and in fact, I don't think i'd eat

(01:25:28):
any eggs at all this in a year. Anyway, I
don't eat Keisha don't need it. I've gone through this.
I don't need onmelet don't eat keichhe don't eat it.
For Tata, don't eat any of that. I mean, I
don't eat baking. If you put a bit of egg
and baking, don't eat baking either. So I'd probably literally
eat no eggs all year, which, given we eat on
average two hundred and twenty nine, it's a lot of

(01:25:48):
eggs in a two hundred and twenty nine a year,
and it's up from two sixteen, so we're eating more
and more eggs. That cafe thing, does everyone who goes
to a cafe? I don't go to cafes either very often.
But when I go to cafes, does everyone egg ordered
the eggs?

Speaker 15 (01:26:01):
Benny?

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
That just is that just a go to New Zealand?

Speaker 8 (01:26:04):
Does there any matter what you order, you get an
egg on it?

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
You get an egg? Well that's smash comes to an egg. Yeah,
that's true. So that's where your two twenty one comes from, basically,
doesn't it? So I mean someone's eating my it's nine
away from nine The Mike.

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I was on my German bulking diet, it's a sort
of random crap that you eat gem and bulking, Jim,

(01:27:28):
I thought it was German. I thought it was German,
but gym and bulking, so so even more weird when
I was on my gym and bulking diet and he
was doing this in Fukatani. A lot of strange stuff
goes on in Katani, a lot of germ and bulking. Anyway,
I was eating forty three eggs a week, raw raw eggs,
five minutes away from.

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Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
So in Texas, we've got the eighteenth Congressional district, we've
got Valentina go meet and she's she's looking for attention.
She's put out a video shooting a dummy in the head,
pretending it was an illegal migrant. She burned a copy
of the Koran that got a band on most of
the socials barrecks, and now she's put this out.

Speaker 18 (01:28:14):
I am America first, not benefiting my purse. I never
sell out the people to raise my network. The Second
Amendment is there to always protect my first a better
rapper than Loupe, and.

Speaker 13 (01:28:25):
I don't even have to curse.

Speaker 18 (01:28:26):
Let's keep the American gream alive and put an end
to all lives. BLM raised billions, and what did they
do for black lives? Politicians promise you the whole world,
then they backslide.

Speaker 11 (01:28:35):
What happens Hunter's laptop?

Speaker 18 (01:28:36):
You know I'm always strapped up.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
Gun rights?

Speaker 18 (01:28:38):
Are women's rights?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Feminists beIN Solo Live.

Speaker 18 (01:28:40):
You can miss around and find out these stupid games.

Speaker 10 (01:28:42):
Win a super price.

Speaker 18 (01:28:43):
God bless the whole USA, even the ones who hate me.
I'm still fighting for you today and not super pact paid.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
America First, America First.

Speaker 7 (01:28:51):
The people are hurt the treatment and know what it worked?

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Am I wrong to say that if more candidates in
the local body election had done that sort of stuff, Absolutely,
you turn out at twenty one percent or twenty eight
percent or whatever pathetic number it was in your particular
part of the country would have been completely different. And
what the Prime Minister said on this program was one
hundred percent correct. What we need are vibrant, interesting people,

(01:29:16):
people with purpose, people with ideas people want to improve
the country and people who put out call videos.

Speaker 7 (01:29:20):
My party, but not a party like it's my party.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Sew Zealand first two. That's one party that's been really
listantly improving in our polls the last couple of weeks.
Who's right, New Zealand, give me my party, build it back.
We want a candidate's like some more videos as simple
as that. I've cracked it just at the end of
the show. Took me all day, but I finally cracked
it back tomorrow morning. From six Happy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Days, there's Millennials a gen z For more from the
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