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November 9, 2025 11 mins

Jason Pine and Andrew Saville join Mike Hosking this morning to discuss the weekend's sports.

On the table today: The All Blacks fended off an impressive comeback from Scotland to secure a win in Edinburgh. 

Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix had a fiery game that saw on-pitch brawls and red cards issued.

And Liam Lawson finished 7th in the Brazilian GP after a successful one-stop strategy. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason Pine, morning to you. Good morning Andrew Saville, Greetings.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello Michael, how are you very well?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Indeed, some was at Murrayfield said you could hear a
pin drop when the bagpipe started. And the Scottish very
respectful of the All Blacks, particularly respectful of the Harker.
And he's been at a game in London and the
poems compared to the Scots and Boorish, and it was

(00:26):
a great day. And it was the best day he
had had in Edinburgh in the three years he's been
in Edinburgh.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Wow, it's a great experience Murrayfield when the All Blacks
are playing. They've been here a couple of times. And
the Flower of Scotland, the anthem when they sing that
if there was a roof it would lift off. It's
up there with the Welsh national anthem in the French
in Paris. So I'm pleased he had a good time.
He got home safely, he did.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He called from the pub and he's very very chatty
at the pub. And one of the things he was
telling us that that the buzz, the buzz at the
pub was that the All Blacks are cheats is too
strong a word, but the three yellows were deserved, and
they don't play a game that the Scottish were impressed with. Well,

(01:14):
three yellows, Jason, you can't argue they're all fair yellows.
Wouldn't They don't go round tripping people and you know,
chasing the ball when you know you're not supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, Leroy Carter's one was probably the silliest of the three.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Wallace a tea.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
I hate the rule that you get a yellow card
for a knockdown, but they know the rule and that's
four yellow cards for the All Blacks this year now
for that very thing. So while the rule might be
you know in question, they know they have to do better.
It was sort of three parts really. The first half
All Blacks were good minutes forty to sixty, Scotland came
back into it, could have perhaps should have won. And
then it was the Damien McKenzie show that got us home.

(01:50):
Herculean from him that body twist thirty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, it was just Crad was out of this world.
You know, we see Dallan for the Worry is another
n ROP players, you know, fly in the year and
what they do is extraordinary. But that was something else
to actually to actually stop and let the defenders go
through them basically, and then twist around and plant it
with his left hand and stay in. It's quite extraordinary.

(02:14):
He often gets bad, Damien mckins. I don't know why,
but when he started at ten last year in the end,
I think people were quite hard and stuck the boot
in a bit. But I'll tell you what he's he's
a match winner and he does stuff that other players can't.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
He was his role, isn't it twenty three twenty three
on his back. I know that he's a first five
and can play fall back, but for me, guys that
that is his best position, isn't it coming off the
bench in whichever way finish Yeah, I finish it.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
And to do things like that. He's a good clutch goalkicker.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
He nailed that one from what fifty out with blood
pouring out of his face at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
There.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I just think for now, you say, Damien McKenzie, you
are out impacted twenty three players.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
They should have been up by thirty five forty, probably
the All Blacks, with the amount of ball and chances
they had. They just seems to be this. I've discussed
it with you before the third quarter of games, they
seem to go under the sheds and then come back
out a little confused or were too much going on
up top and they lose their way. But you've got
to hand it to them. They soaked up that pressure,

(03:14):
immense pressure at seventeen all yep, to just not blink
and then go on and win the game.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
That's I think they're going to go all the way.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I know England is a thing, and I know England
a better than Scotland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think
they're going to be. Okay, you as a big guy
sav who is pacing and yet doesn't obviously look so
you can under answer me this question. You mean by that, well,
I'm pacy, but don't look so well, it's Satiti. So
I've only sort of seen. Somebody has said the other

(03:42):
day his prodigious speed, and I thought, what And he
clearly is fast, but he doesn't look at does he?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
He? I mean, he's a he's an athlete. I've seen
him a few times without his shirt on and he
is built right.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Was he on the field or is it your place?
What was doing?

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Were comparing you?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
Comparing you?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
But he's very he's a good ballhand. Look that that
game he played bar the yellow card, that game was
right up there with some of his performances from last year.
He's just taken a while to get into it this year.
I think second year syndrome sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
But he is fast. Yeah, But you know how some
guys look fast, some guys don't. He's one of those guys.
He's clearly fast, just and't look that fast. Little.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
He reminds me a bit of a Kira Yowani who
was a big, big lump of a lad, but he
was quick too.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Jason, can we conclude now that Auckland is simply a
better side than Wellington and no matter how often they play,
that's how it's going to work.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, I think we can probably make that assessment. Wellington
Phoenix must wonder if they're ever going to win one
of these things. You know, had a great chance on
Saturday night, you know, down to ten Auckland the ft
se then down to nine.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Great energy in the ground. It was a terrific occasion.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I saw some reports that the crowd wasn't great and
numbers wise maybe not, but noise wise, from I think
Auckland FC, if anything, are a better team than they
were last year when they got within a game of
the Grand Final having won the Premiers Play. I mean
to hold off a home team with nine men for
decentent portion of the game, but also to score the

(05:16):
goals that they did. Yeah, they are streets ahead of
Wellington Phoenix at the moment and the best team in
the A League for mine.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I love I love the drama at the end mic.
As Jason mentioned, they were down to night and they
were camped on their goal line. Basically all the players
were back. They're trying to soak up time. I think
it was nine or ten minutes added, Yeah, Jason, wasn't it?
Commentary was all right too. That added a bit of drama.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
You've got to get the good commentators. And I didn't
see it. But this this cricket the black Caps Windys
they said no one was there, and then I'm reading
about this New Rebel was right.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
The crowd and Nelson used today it was pretty good.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah. OK.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Then I'm reading about the New Rebel Cricket League, and
then Williamson was retiring but not returned. There's too much cricket.
It's like it's like I don't even know what's going
on anymore between one day and Odie I's.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And but look, I'm looking forward to test matches. That's
that's the that's the key is that catch. But then
but then there's no cricket until about March. Mike, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Why do we need it?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Do we need a new rebel league funded by more
Indian Moneyment.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Was if it was in January, the mid feb in
New Zealand and it had the best play, well the
best Kiwi's playing, and I think they wouldd a bit
of interest.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, because I was arguing with the Prime Minister as well.
He came in and goes, oh you see the league
last night? I said, I get up at two thirty.
Stop hassling me. And and it's like this was a
stupid competition that involved nobody, and so we play some
more in Australia and Australia wasn't even in the competition.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
It was what, It's fantastic all these in our role
players are playing with the country, the heritage and last
night's game was super. The Kiwi's effort in the second
half was outstanding. Dylan Brown signed for the Newcastle Knights
for what twelve or thirteen million? I thought, what on
earth are they doing? This guy is a handy player,
but last night he was on fire. I've never seen it.
I haven't seen a test performance like that for a very,

(07:07):
very long time from one individual player. So I thought
it was a great game.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Did foreun play well?

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
He did yet last game of it, Yeah, he played well.
Kean o' kenney, the young Titans fullback, he had an
outstanding game as well. They were down at halftime and
they blew somewhere away in the second art great performance.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Do you see it, Jason, when you've seen Karen Foran's neck,
it's an incredible neck.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, it's a great neck. One of the great necks,
one of the great careers. Over three hundred first grade games,
thirty odd tests. Clearly emotional at the end of it.
You would be, wouldn't you watch? I watched the game?
I thought, did I did? The someone fans boo, the boo,
the harker at the start is what happened?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, it's like teachers and that guy last week at
their conference. Why is everyone booing people? What's the matter
with them?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
I think it has the desired effect. It doesn't have
the desired effect. Hey, Liam Lawson, this morning over, we're
probably going to get to it. I might lead us
there if it's okay, Mike seventh this morning, that seventh.
When you start seventh.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
He started seventh, finished seventh. The story for him is
that he was milking his tires to the end because
if he'd gone another pit stop, he wouldn't have finished seventh.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
So to hold hold was brilliant.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, absolutely, So finally some of their strategy actually worked today.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Correct, Oh, yeah, you know that is true. And Hadja
what was important was Sonoda was nowhere and Hadja was
actually started ahead of Lawson but finished behind him. So
all of that stacks up well. And from all the
commentary I saw over the weekend, there is a general
sense that he's done enough. If you want an up
and coming team, this is for next year. If you

(08:42):
want an up and coming team, which is what Racing
Bulls is, you got a guy called Liam Lawson who's
only into his second season, and you got Lynd Vladd
who's in his first season. Why do you need a
guy called Sonoda who's in his fifth season without the
money from Honda. So don't worry about it, So that's
how that's going to play it up.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
So to give it up, what did he finish seventeenth?

Speaker 1 (08:59):
I know it's well it's the car. I mean, if
you look at the if you look to the warm
up in the practice, Vastapan was at the back of
the field as well. Both those Red Bull cars are
absolutely useless. They rebuilt the Stapan's car overnight literally as
an engine the whole lot. So that's why he started
at the back of the field. He took a penalty
on it because they knew if he could get a
decent car, it could end up, which he has in
the third whereas they couldn't give a monkey's about to

(09:21):
note because he's nowhere anyway, So he got nothing, and
so he started at the back of the field ended
at the back of the field. I mean, it must
be a miserable time. Must three races to go. Everyone knows,
you know, you know, everyone hates you and you're on
your way out and it's just like you know, don't
we doooll.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I still think it's extraordinary mite. You know we mentioned
this time and time again, but that here's this young
key in the thick of it. Hamilton and Fernando Alms,
and he's beating guys like that, and he's tussling with
guys like that, it's still it's extraordinary.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And that's the stuff that they will see. I mean,
when you've got a guy who's can can hold the
field on tires that are gone, that skill and that's
what you're investing in, and that's why he will have
a seatnet season, because he deserves to be there. I
think had you the good news stories of the season
are Lawson had your and to a lesser degree, Barman there.
As far as the rookies go and those who have delivered,

(10:10):
they're the ones who deserve to be there in twenty
twenty six. As far as I can work out the
I don't have time to raise this, but I was
going to raise the Scott Barrett thing and the non
playing sabbatical. What's that about?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Oh that was sign posted here in the year. Well,
you signed a new deal, right and as part of
the contract. A lot of these guys who've been around
a long time get to have the ability to go
and play overseas and come back.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Or but non playing, though you lose your touch.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
He's been through a lot.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
The body of his Oh, for goodness sake.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
So sorry, they'll be okay. Sorry, I think they'll be okay,
the Crusaders without him there.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, sorry for disagreeing with everything you've said this morning, mate,
but you know that happens sometimes.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Happened with the Prime Minister as well. It's it's I'm
starting to think it's me.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Hey mate. The chocolate Sanders have been starting to appe
here in the supermarket. So you'll be on leave soon
maybe you?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Ah, I love you, show me not back next to
your SEP. Nice to see you, Andrew Saville and Jason Pine.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
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