Full Show Podcast: 20 November 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Opinion edif informed, und apologetic, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome today Winston and his new ship's new data on
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as well. Paige Tapra is in for a song and
a chat after rate. Joe McKennis and Rome and Rod
Little hops in from the UK pasking welcome to the
day seven past six. Might one day Clay Higgins of
Louisiana turn out to be an American hero. He was

(00:30):
the vote, the one vote on the Epstein decision who
said no. As it turns out, he said no for
very solid reasons. If you read it, if an acted
in its current form, this type of broad reveal of
criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely
result in innocent people being hurt. He said he would
only look at it again if it came back from

(00:51):
the Senate. A mended Chuck Schumer said at the time
it won't be the case, and it isn't. Higgins makes
valid points. He's also on the Oversight committee, by the way,
that conducted the Epstein probe. His concerns also include the
fact that this all abandons two hundred and fifty years
of criminal justice procedure. In the papers, he points out,
there are thousands of innocent people, witnesses, people who've provided
Alibia's family members, all of whom will be caught up

(01:14):
through no fault of their own, simply because hysteria ruled
and a mass dump of all information was voted on.
As an aside, Kevin Rudd has engaged a lawyer to
write to a publication that was going to put out
a piece by Michael Wolfe and which he says Rudd
was at a cocktail party with Epstein. Rudd can prove
no such thing happen. Now that's not a big deal,
of course, but it is an example of how simple

(01:35):
it is to create a wrong, none of which is
to defend the Epstein actions, of course, all Maxwell's, or
any of the legitimate political noise that has swelled around
all of this. But just last week, the frenzy around
small snippets of detail involving the word Trump were screaming
headlines and not one of them really, I mean, court
of law really nailed Trump to Epstein's must, and that's

(01:57):
at the core of all of this. A lot of
people want Trump and their death spirit for a connection
strong enough to finish them to a degree, everyone has
lost their heads. Rules around procedures out massisteria ensues. But
in one vote, even fleetingly Higgins of Louisiana tried to
remind us that amid the they say one million bits
of evidence might lie some sort of smoking gun, or

(02:19):
it might not, but just that prospect that sniff is
more than enough to trample over innocence and legal standing.
The longer this goes with no gotcha moment, the smarter
Higgins of Louisiana looks.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Why news of the world in ninety second.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So let's wrap. The Saudi visited at the White House.
Ronaldo popped in his star turn. Trump made this claim,
they'd like very much to.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Make a deal with us, and they call us and
we'll end up probably doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
That's Iran, Yeah, so Iran, which well came as a
surprise to Iran.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
You have to make the very small to be sure
they already to engage because on the conditions that they put.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Move or no move anyway. Meantime, Beck in Britain Sakia,
who allegedly now has eighty. Beck is looking for a
skelp as busy sprooking next Wednesday's budget.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
It'll be a labor budget, mister Speaker, with labor values.
That means we will concentrate on cutting NHS waiting lists,
cutting debt and cutting a cost of living. And because
of the decisions we've already made, inflation is down this morning.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Significant to the eighty By the way, is that's the
number you need for a challenge? The Tories can't waite.

Speaker 6 (03:25):
He says.

Speaker 7 (03:26):
The budget is next week, but we read all about
it in the papers. This is the first budget to
unravel before it's even been delivered. The Chancellor's cluelessness, i'm afraid,
is damaging the economy now. The Prime Minister needs to
end this shambles.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Upside is Rachel the aforementioned from Starmer. She got a
power decent inflation number today.

Speaker 8 (03:45):
I recognize that inflation, the cost of living is still
a big burden on families right across the country. And
that's why in the budget next week, I'll be taking
targeted action to bring down inflation, to address the cost
of living.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
North of the border. This still fizzing over the Denmark
victory and the ticket to the Cup, including the first Minister.

Speaker 9 (04:03):
I am here having been at Hampden Park last night
and there have been only a relatively small number of
hours spent in my bed, and those hours had to
contend with the overfilming, excitement off last night and the triumphant.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
All that layes ahead, isn't it? Finally, it's auction season.
I have art you shortly, but also sold as a
pocket watch for a new record. It's a nineteen oh
seven piece by Coventry watchmaker Joseph Player, sold in Geneva.
It's one of the world's most complicated vintage pocket watches.
It has moonfase tracking, it's got an alarm and built
in thermometers. It is nineteen oh seven. It's incredible. Sold
for four point nine million dollars and that is news

(04:41):
of the world in ninety Yeah, the inflation number that
Rachel was happy with three point eight down to three
point six, the core inflation three point five down to
three point four, and officially the Epstein thing has cleared
both chambers. It is now with the President. Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, called
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Speaker 2 (05:04):
Zevy speaking of Epstein, the former Treasury secretary mentioned yesterday
Larry some as he was withdrawing from public life basically,
but he's still on the bord of open Ai. That
was until overnight when you decided to quit. And interestingly,
the Hyundai chief executive has said, this goes back to
Georgia a couple of months ago when basically Ice rolled

(05:25):
into the Georgia Hundi factory and rounded up a whole
lot of people and a diplomatic incident ensued. The White
House has rung Hyundai, and indeed the governor of Georgia
has rung Hyundai and apologized, which is half decent. Fifteen
past six, I'm sure in partner's Andrew Klahoe, how are you?

Speaker 10 (05:43):
I'm very well, thank you, Michael.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Has the world still turning as we wait for in video?
Does that the whole world stop or just a few people?
What happens there?

Speaker 10 (05:49):
Yeah, there's really no other story in town at the moment.

Speaker 11 (05:52):
It's a little unusual, I guess, and particularly for people
like ourselves who are very much long term investors, this
tends to sort of be a little singular. We tend
to look at things very much broader perspective, but you
cannot deny that at the moment, sentiment is a powerful
force and this will affect sentiment. We are, of course
talking about the video earnings which are due for release
later this morning, and as the world's biggest listed company, they.

Speaker 10 (06:13):
Will always be a spotlight on it.

Speaker 11 (06:15):
But given the fact that we've seen sort of markets
move lower in the last couple of weeks, particularly in
these megacap sort of AI related companies, and the the
what seems to be omniir present talk at the moment
our bubble, that spotlight has intensified. I just want to
put some just want to put some just want to
sort of calm the farm here a little bit, Mike.

Speaker 10 (06:33):
Just look at the numbers. The NASA Condex has fallen
just under five percent this month.

Speaker 11 (06:38):
It rose about the same amount in October alone, So
talk of mark slumping I think looked it looks more
to me like just normal market volatility at the moment.
I mean, you know, the NaSTA rose almost eighteen percent
in the June quarter alone, and that September cord alone
erose eleven point two percent, So pulling back a little
bit doesn't seem to be sort of an unreasonable move.

(07:00):
The mag seven index is down just over five percent,
so it's a little bit more than the broader index.

Speaker 12 (07:05):
Now.

Speaker 10 (07:05):
In Video, though, has been a real focus.

Speaker 11 (07:07):
So we've got quarterly earnings revenue expected to be sort
of circu fifty five billion, So if it meets those expectations,
I think that result will provide some support to the affme.
But a miss, obviously we'll probably fuel further selling. What
we have seen recently though, might those even inline results
have actually been met with a tepid response, so there
is still that danger.

Speaker 10 (07:28):
Look, and Video has been under a bit of pressure recently.
It's down eight percent this month.

Speaker 11 (07:32):
It gained eight percent in October though, but from the
absolute high, it's down about fourteen I think just over
fourteen percent. And you had soft Bank so old a
steak and just talk of those sort of famous investors
shortening the stock as well, Mike, I just think, just
again taking a step back here, the question is not
whether in Video is a good company. It's got a
great product, It's got plenty of demand for it. It's

(07:54):
just how much should you be prepared to pay for
that company? That demand that I'm talking about is like
continue as well. That has the price I guess run
ahead of itself. Investors when they get these earnings announcement,
we'll look at what is the demand for the chips,
what is the impact on what's happening with China, what's
happening on production, Most importantly, what is their outlook because

(08:14):
that shines a wider lens on the bigger AI AI
related sectors. And I guess the question there, Mirke, at
the moment is can companies make a reasona return over
time on the hundreds of billions of dollars that's being
invested in to AI And there is concern over that.

Speaker 10 (08:29):
Point at the moment. But they all will be revealed
later this morning.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
One yes, indeed it will these job numbers tomorrow. Is
that just going to be everything we missed while the
place was closed.

Speaker 11 (08:38):
Look, they're sort of they're they're in catch up mode
because the other story of import, or massive import at
the moment is the US jobs. Because we've had this great,
big long shut then we've got no data and markets
want to know what the Fed is going to do.
So Thursday morning, US time, we finally get an official
update on the US labor market.

Speaker 10 (08:55):
But we have had some data mic there's been some
of the those ADP.

Speaker 11 (08:59):
Numbers and other data not as comprehensive as non fine payis.

Speaker 10 (09:02):
It's a big deal.

Speaker 11 (09:03):
It has importance and influence over the next move by
the US Fed Reserve, and in that vein there's now
only about a fifty to fifty call as far as
the market is concerned over whether the Fed will cut
on the tenth of December. That was sitting at about
a ninety percent chance. That's also putting pressure on share markets.
These are the September job numbers. I'm not sure if

(09:24):
the data will be complete. It is a little bit stale.
As a possibility, the data will.

Speaker 10 (09:29):
Be given less importance if there are concerns over quality.

Speaker 11 (09:32):
The backdrop is important because the Fed has a dual
mandate jobs market and inflation. There are concerns over inflation,
but the job market's potentially looking a little weak.

Speaker 10 (09:42):
And we know because jur and.

Speaker 11 (09:43):
Power told us the Fed Committee has divided. So both
these things in video. These they add up to a
heck of a lot of ent risk between now and
the weekend.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Quick on the PPI, why is the output so much
higher than the input?

Speaker 10 (09:55):
Well, we haven't seen this for a decade. So this
is like business.

Speaker 11 (09:57):
Well, what it implies is that companies are making a
bit of a margin. They're taking things at a certain
price selling it for a little bit more. What's interesting
here is we haven't seen that for almost a decade.
Mike other quick comment, farm expenses over the course of
the air look dead flat. But when you dive down
into that, some costs have gone up, but interest costs
has gone down. Which asked the question, what about this

(10:18):
farms with no debt.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's a good question, Andrew, Yeah, very edgy question. Now
what are the numbers, Well, they're.

Speaker 11 (10:26):
Weaking off a little bit, but the Dow jones down
eighty points point one seven percent forty six thousand and twelve.

Speaker 10 (10:34):
The S and P five hundred is up point one
five ten points.

Speaker 11 (10:37):
Six thousand, six hundred and twenty seven, and then NASDAC
is up about a quarter of percent fifty five points
twenty two thousand, four hundred and eighty nine. Forty one
hundred lost just under half percent yesterday nine to five
oh seven. The NICK lost about a third of a
percent forty eight thousand, five hundred and thirty eight. The
Shanghai Compett was up per point one eight percent thirty
nine four seven. The Aussie has lost a quarter of

(10:59):
percent eight four four seven, and we lost zero point
one two percent thirteen three hundred and twenty seven on
the N six.

Speaker 10 (11:05):
Fifty unfortunate King. We dollar a little bit weaker overnight.

Speaker 11 (11:08):
Point five to six, dead flat against the US point
five six. So we're under eighty seven cents against the
ossie point eight sixty six, two point four eighths, five
to three against the earth point four to two, back
into the four to twos against the pound point four
to eight, four eighty seven point seventy one Japanese yen
gold four thousand and seventy four US osprint crewed sixty

(11:29):
three dollars.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
And thirty seven cents seed tomorrow Mane Andrew kelliher Jo
Sure Partners, Will Sure Rand Partners tasking now Argasi who
were landlords, positive reforms on the earthquake prone building system.
This was the government's announcement a couple of weeks back,
you know, the stuff you no longer have to do. Anyway.
They had a good profit, their income rose. They like
what the government are doing, so they're bullish, which is good.

(11:51):
Maype you're poort. Well done, congratulations twenty four and a
half percent increase in net profit. They like the look
of twenty six. The container cargo volumes are up, ships
are down, but we all know that story. Revenues up
over eleven percent, operating activities increase twenty three point five percent.
Good port, Good story. Six twenty one Here at US
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Speaker 1 (12:13):
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Speaker 2 (12:23):
At be a couple of catch up things. There's a
US court yesterday block that Texas redistricting thing. You know
how they did that in Texas and then California went,
we'll do the same thing. It hasn't got to court
in California yet, but it has got to court in Texas.
They can't do it. And also the judge says they'll appeal.
Maduro of Venezuela he's decided, he's quote unquote ready to talk.
Probably looked off the coast and saw the massive aircraft

(12:45):
carrying Thornton. Just doesn't look good. I might I might
give Trumpy a call. And the reference I made to
Art the climpt that I told you about a couple
of days ago. The art season has begun in New
York Northern Hemisphere winter art season. The climped Good Staff
of Elizabeth Elizabeth was his daughter anyway, sold for half
a billion. It's close enough to have four hundred and

(13:05):
nineteen million New Zealand dollars. Who's counting, will be a
fee from Southeby's on top of that most expensive work
that Southeby's ever sold anywhere. Ever So, the hot art
market is alive and well six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Five trending now with Hammers Warehouse the Real House of Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
And sold well as well. And that gold toilet got
flipped off to some indie who's got more money than cents. Anyway,
if you can stand it, go have a look at
a video. Today. We're looking at Victoria, Lady Victoria, Lady,
Victoria Beckham. She's sitting on her bed in what looks
like a sort of a lotus position. But nevertheless, Cruiser
is in the other end of the room. He's quite
good on guitar anyway, she's singing pretty good quality. It

(14:15):
is David on the microphone.

Speaker 13 (14:16):
One.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Don't you get somebody who's a bit closer with a
microphone cruise quite good with that guitar. At the beginning
is all him, so he obviously knows how to play
the guitar. As a result, people have watched that and
they want her to record it, put it out, make
it a single, and make it the Christmas because in
Britain they've got the Christmas it.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
Was already recorded.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
That's what they're playing a lot too.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
No, but they want the new version, the acoustic version,
and that will be a Christmas hat and it will
go to number one and that will be allegedly a thing.
The numbers on Starma are interesting. We'll talk to a
rot about this later. So eighty you get a challenge.
They think they've got eighty one. Guy called Clive Lewis
reckons he's going to give up his seat for Andy Burnham,

(14:57):
the Manchester mayor, to be an MP. I don't think
you can can do that. I don't think Clives knows
the rules. But anyway, Rod on that later in the program.
Meantime News is next for you.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Read in Italy which doesn't play well from Maloney. So
more from Joe shortly back here at twenty three to seven.
Late yesterday, the Health Minister tells us they're pausing the
prescription for puberty blockers. They're concerned about long term impacts
existing patients, so we'll continue. The changes come into effect
December nineteen. A doctor John Cameron registered gp IS with
us John morning as an issue you know and all

(15:44):
the things a GP might deal within any given day.
Where does puberty blockers sit.

Speaker 13 (15:49):
It's a very small part of our life. I probably
would have maybe one client who's approached me over the
last twelve months for these sort of midsense Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
And if I round up one hundred GPS to get
a range of views from GPS on their view of them.

Speaker 13 (16:04):
If you've got one hundred GPS, you've got two hundred opinions.
It's a normal way of life.

Speaker 14 (16:08):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Where's this decision come from? Is this an out of
the blue type thing or not?

Speaker 13 (16:14):
No, no, no, It's been a discussion in medical circles
for a long period of time. A major thing was
what's called the cast report which came out of the
UK last year, where it was questioned about what was
going to be the long term health outcomes from puberty blockers. Now,
puberty blockers are not gender reidentification medicines, so they don't

(16:34):
turn male into female, female into male. All they do
is hold you in a pre pubertal state, so that
if and when you decide to change your gender, you're
not having to go back against the eight ball of
all the changes that would have occurred. Plus also gets
you through the hormonal turmoil of having hormones doing one
thing with your brain saying no, I'm a completely different gender.

(16:57):
So you've got to put it into that perspective for
a state. The problem that we've got is that ESAP
to be absolutely safe. If they weren't safe, we would
be stopping all access to these medicines. But as you said,
people who are on these medicines already will still be
able to carry on. What we don't know is we
just don't have enough evidence for long term safety and effectiveness.

(17:18):
So we're talking twenty thirty forty years because we're starting
these medicines and children of nine years of age. Now,
I would hope that the decision has been made on
health grounds, and I do believe it has been made
on health grounds rather than political grounds. So we've got
to get it out of the political arena and put
it back into health where it should be.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
That was my very next question. Do you think it's ideological?
And as if it is ideological, if a change of
government comes next year, to we flip back, and I'm
getting you on with another conversation.

Speaker 13 (17:43):
I doubt it that this has been in big discussions,
And the problem with any discussion medicine you get completely
polarized views. So you get the proponents on this side
and the anties on this site, and it's really hard
to work where that middle ground should be. I think
putting a hold on it at the stage medically is
probably a good idea. It does not mean that we're

(18:04):
going to stop caring for these individuals. It means that
one of the tools that we have been using we're
going to put into the back pocket and hold off
unless we get really into a very dire situation. We
should be doing this in primary care, in conjunction with
secondary care, in conjunction with psychiatry, psychology, and chronology. It's
a team approach. To this, and that doesn't mean we're

(18:25):
leaving the young people out to hang. It's other things
that we will have to do to work with them.
We've got other tools to use, it's just this one's
been put into the back pocket.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Good stuff, John good insight. I appreciate it. Doctor John
Cameron registered GP with us this morning. Got some speaking
of insight, some very interesting numbers out of in for
metrics on the economy for you. This morning twenty two, the.

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Speaker 2 (20:00):
Joe McKenna, good morning to you, Good morning. Make now
these GDP numbers. I don't think you had much growth
coming anyway, so I thought cut how many you got
any growth lift at all?

Speaker 14 (20:10):
Well, yeah, I thought they were pretty disappointing when we
spoke about them last time. But now the European Commission
has cut Italy's GDP forecast in half practically from zero
point seven percent down to zero point four percent. That
makes Italy the fourth weakest economy in the EU. I'd
forgotten that we're running behind Germany now and Austria and Finland.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Does that political?

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do people go, Well, that's Maloney's fault and that's the
government's fault. Is it that specifical or not?

Speaker 12 (20:38):
Well?

Speaker 14 (20:38):
I think it might have an impact because she's constantly
saying that, you know, she's the one who is here
to revive the economy, and she's constantly talking about a
boom and all the good stuff she's doing. I'm not
sure people really believe that. And we're going to see
the impact of the tariffs from Trump and the international

(20:59):
uncertainty I think having an impact as well.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Hey, listen, I've got a question for you about military
in the minment with a civilian military unit to combat
hybrid warfare?

Speaker 1 (21:09):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (21:09):
What do they mean?

Speaker 14 (21:10):
Look, it sounds a bit vague to me, but the
Defense Minister, Guido Corosseto has released a report talking about
these threats that we're seeing allegedly from Russians attacking infrastructure
across Europe, and he's talking about the need for a
civilian military unit that sounds like a tech unit of
some kind to monitor and try and get ahead of

(21:32):
some of these hybrid attacks.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Five thousand people's a lot of people. Where are they
getting them from?

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (21:38):
Exactly are they going to recruit new people? A. They're
going to recruit experts, and they're going to recruit them
from already from existing military It's not very clear.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
My military question, and you mentioned Germany it triggered me,
is that they're looking for the sort of military service.
They're looking to boost their standing army by tens of
thousands over the next handful of years. Do you still
in Italy have that military service at eighteen that you've
got to go do some time?

Speaker 14 (22:03):
No, In fact, it doesn't exist really anymore. It's voluntary.
So I think that's going to be an issue for
the Italians going forward.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah exactly. Anyway, influences rules around influence. What's an influencer?
Do they define that?

Speaker 12 (22:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (22:18):
They do.

Speaker 14 (22:18):
I don't think it's going to affect me. Apparently, you
have to have at least a million subscribers to qualify
for this new registry, and you have plenty of supporters
and some financial income coming from all your influence as well,
and I think the fines are quite hefty though. The
influencers have to register with the government. They risk fines

(22:41):
of six six hundred thousand euros if they violate this
new code of conduct, trying to get more regulation on
those who are on the web and using their influence
to make a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Okay, so you register and then you, having registered, you
have to adhere to a set of rules. What are
the rules? I mean, is it like, because I'm thinking
you have only fans, I mean, does that make you
an influencer you go down mat track or is it
just selling stuff or what?

Speaker 16 (23:05):
I think?

Speaker 14 (23:06):
There's a pretty detailed I haven't seen all the details,
but it's say it's applying to people who publish at
least twenty four pieces of content, they have an engagement
rate of two percent or higher on at least one
social media platform. There's a lot of requirements that are
not quite clear to me, but it's certainly designed to

(23:26):
stop exploitation and false information.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Okay. Now I'm reading the other day sky Scanner, which
is an international market research company, and they did a
whole twenty two thousand people under the radar destinations and
up popped in number seven. Albia in Italy and I've
never heard of it. Have you heard of Albia?

Speaker 16 (23:47):
I haven't.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, see that's I think it's so under the radar.
Nonzeb you heard it? And if you're living in Italy
and you've never heard of Albia, apparently this is the
place that people want to go, so I know that.

Speaker 14 (23:56):
Oh okay, okay, another lother location.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, it's Olbia and Italy. Can you do some research
on that and workout whether it is a place worth
going to because Jaipour's up there, Bowdrum, Madeira. I've heard
of all of these veil Bill, bau Michinoster or famous places,
but this albe a place I've never heard of in
my life.

Speaker 14 (24:14):
Oh Albia is? It is coming to mind now. It's
a beautiful beach location in Grandinia, so that certainly requires
more research.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah yeah, now get onto that for us, Joe and
I'll check back in next Thursday with you acable fantastic. Okay,
that is Joe McKenna in Italy. By the way, just
to help me out if you went to I'm not
anticipating anyone went to Metallica last night. Who's listening at
this hour of the morning. I may be wrong, but
I don't think I am. If you went to Metallica,
let me know whether it was worth it. If you

(24:44):
went to Cliff Richard, let me know in what form
is Cliff Richard these days concert wise? Because he's in
the country, He's done a couple of shows and I'm
just one. Where's he at performatively speaking? These days? You're
getting a good show? How long the show? As he
playing the old favorites? Is he interacting with the audience?
What's going on? The other one I want to know

(25:05):
is Priscilla Presley, who was who's in the country also
talking about herself, and I want to know if you
went to that show and you've seen her, what the
show's like, what happens? Would you go back for more?
Was there any merch you know, like do you buy
a Priscilla T shirt or whatever signed book? And how
did that go for you? So just some feedback on

(25:27):
that if you could text me ten away from seven.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
So Mike Costing Breakfast with the Defender and use Tom
said be as.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I should tell you. Ryan Mettal who they make things
that go bang for Wars forecast sales of fifty eight
billion by twenty thirty, up from ten billion currently ten
to fifty eight billion. There is nothing like a war
to boost business if you make things that go bang.
Mike spenttime o'b be your last year. Stunning little porttown
in northern Sardinia. Unbelievably beautiful beaches, lesser known so no crowds, friendly,

(25:57):
authentic people. Highly recommend it, Mike. We stayed in Albeita
this year in June. Nothing special there, you see, everyone's
a critic all be your inside, didn't you, Mike. Fantastic
place there in June this year. Death will go back Andrew.
The other person doesn't have a name. Both people there
in June. One loved it, one didn't. Funny a Mike,
I went to Metallica last night. Good on you. I'm

(26:18):
so pleased you're up early. We went to Metallica. Last
night's show was great. Trains afterwards were a shambles. Well,
you're telling me nothing there. Flying home to duneed in
this morning. Metallica was fantastic, intense energy, full volume. Loved it.
I was at Metallica beyond amazing. God bless you for
being up after Metallica. Mike, Cliff Richard, older, slower, more tentative,

(26:40):
but still a great voice. Really enjoyed it. Well done, Craig,
appreciate that. Nothing from the Priscilla crowd. I think that's
not until tonight. Now she was in christ You yesterday.
I sees, yeah, we're nationwide and we go all over
the country, and so she was in christ You yesterday, Auckland.
I believed tonight at the Bruce Mason. So if you
were at Priscilla, I need to know. So I've got

(27:01):
good Metallica feedback, decent Cliff Richard feedback. All I need
is Priscilla to complete the quanella five minutes away from seven,
all the ins.

Speaker 12 (27:09):
And the ouse.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
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Speaker 2 (27:15):
No, I got good news rolling it. Actually I didn't
get to the informetric stuff. I said I'd get to
that and I haven't done it. God, I'm hopeless. Anyway,
let me give you the zespri stuff. That's good. November
forecast twenty five to twenty six season returns are up
per tray on everything, basically per hectar level. We're now
expecting record returns for green organic green and gold. Over

(27:35):
All the season we exported a record turner fifteen million trays.
Indications are we going to go better? These are forecasts
between August and November per tray so zespre green, you're
getting nine ten to nine sixty five, which is above
the top of the indicative brains back in August, good good,
Good Organic Green twelve thirty eight to thirteen oh three,
once again above the top range. Sun Gold from eleven

(27:57):
thirty to eleven seventy Organic sun Gold fourteen eighty three
to fifteen forty six above the top of the range.
And the new zespe Green fourteen. What's that? What's that?
Sam Green? But sweet swen Green fourteen? Small increase there
from mine fifty forty to nine sixty eight.

Speaker 12 (28:19):
Can you tell it?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
At the end of the year. Ruby Red fifteen seventy
six to fifteen eighty eight. That's why I'm spreaking the
Ruby red for Thinness sake. Get into the Ruby red.
I personally am not a huge fan of it. I
go green, but I know the health benefits of green. Actually,
I've got time to give you the infometric September quarterly
update zero point nine percent. Great, This is the whole GDP.
That's the whole shooting match. Zero point nine percent, they say,

(28:40):
more meaningful economic gains across most regions. All regions of
the South Island are growing faster than the national average.
That's no surprise. The metro areas. Here's your good news
collectively zero point seven percent, So thank the good Lord
for that improvement. For residential consents, that's house building up
three point six percent. Lived in professional service activity. Yes,

(29:01):
employment across the five South Island regions this quarter is
tailing off. They think the last it's going to be
the last to turn. We all know that employment's going
to be the last to turn. And they've still got
some worries around employment or unemployment as the case may be.
But if we get AQ three reading of zero point nine,
that is a very good number. Well, speaking of numbers,
Winston sent out the lads to sort something out around

(29:23):
around the two fairies. We need a little bit of
infrastructure build here. We've got this contract locked in with
the Chinese, so we'll talk to him about that very shortly.
And more good news than the schools. It seems the
phone ban is actually working.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
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Speaker 2 (29:47):
Seven past seven. So we've got a faery deal to
new ships five hundred and ninety six million, pulled infrastructure
one point two billion. They arrive in twenty nine. They're
bigger than we currently have. And for the environmentalists their hybrids.
Whinston Peters stitched together the dealies with us good Morning,
Good Morning as an exercise. How competitive were the various
punters in this particular game. Was there a variation and

(30:07):
price or not?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Well, there were a number of tenders, of course, and
in the end the best one and one best analyzed
to cover all the requirements we had was out of China, and.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
They were best on price or just best overall.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Were very very competitive on price, but best overall.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Okay, the reassurances you have on price is that locks
locked in.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Well, you know this sort of business of going into
contracts and then the cost plus going forward is not
what they're going to do. And so yes, it's going
to be seriously locked and there is a four hundred
mill incontingency as part of this planning. But in the end,
this is a very very good deal.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
The delivery timing is locked in or not.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It is yes ear twenty twenty nine one at the
end of tween.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
So what's the bigger issue. Is the bigger issue local
construction here on the work you need to do there
around cost and timing, or the Chinese delivering the ships.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Now I'm real confident about the Chinese delivering the ships.
They've got a very good record on this. But look,
I don't know if you have a look at what's
happening in Tasmania. They've got two big new fairies, they've
got no infrastructure and the whole thing's are They're They're
in a very embarrassing situation, which is exactly what would
have been next year in the year after that, because
there's no way in twenty twenty three they hadn't insigned

(31:31):
one contract on infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
No, no, we understand, we understand all of that, which
brings us to yesterday in the back and forward in
the business. I mean, at the end of the day,
you've got the problem solved, you've got two ships coming,
You've saved us a lot of money. That's the beginning,
in the middle and the end of it. Isn't it.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Well, Look, first of all, I got to read a
really hard nosed, tough, experienced team to do the job,
and we owe them a huge debt. They've got a
marve's job. And how shall I say that, how that
carve on working when with all the citizens around what
they were trying to do, which was in less in
less than eleven months, they have put together the solution.

(32:10):
So it all ends.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yes, So given that, what are the learnings out of
this in government procuring services or product going forward?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Well, look, we've got so many examples. We've got Transmission Gully,
We've got poor to walk with her. Every contract blew
out massively and there were huge delays. We can't afford
to have that sort of behavior from central government. And
what I'm saying to a lot of people is some
of the politicians need to get out of down way
and get the right smart experienced business people, experienced trades people,

(32:41):
the captains and the ship owners and people like that
there who might know something. But what they're talking about
that we're going to farm all that in the future
rather than this cost plus blowout and massive expensive and
zeal taxpayer all.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Right, appreciate it. Winston Peters who is the Royal Minister.
Of course him in it's past seven. Smoking data out
this morning, so we're at six point eight percent six
point eight percent of smoke these days, which is down
zero point one percent on the previous year. Vaping though
at eleven point seven that's up from three point five
five years ago. Casey Costello's the Associate Health Minister, mourning,
good morning, it's six point eight about it. I mean

(33:12):
they're the hard cause they're not giving up. We're done.

Speaker 17 (33:15):
No, I think there's still movement. The fifty five to
sixty four age bracket is our target market. The upsiders,
our young people aren't smoking under twenty fours of three
point two, which is below the five percent threshold, but
there is still real opportunity and the quit smoking providers
can see in your opportunity to target that sort of

(33:36):
the stubborn smokers. I think the trouble we had was
we got a real confusion around the message around vaping.
Nobody said it was safe, We said it was safer
than smoking. If you don't smoke, don't vade, But if
you smoke, faything can help. And we got really conflated, confused,
messages through.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That completely cocked it up and we were always going
to But having said that, do we know hard data
how many people vape will take up vaping because it's
cool and fun versus how many use it as a
genuine cessation tool.

Speaker 17 (34:09):
The encouraging part. And we're waiting to see the ASH Survey,
which will come out in the next week or so.
ASH Survey does the sort of year ten eleven, and
they've been doing this for a number of years. The
last two years of seeing the young people vaping coming down,
which suggests that this coolness component is shifting. That we
are seeing that vaping is much more accessible. We've done

(34:32):
a huge investment and enforcement around the vaping that didn't
exist before we came in, and we've a massive drive
to ensure that we're keeping our young under eighteens out
of the vaping environment completely. And I think that's starting
to pay dividence.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Have we made this too political? I get you, you
know it's about health and you don't want to end
up leaving the health system. I get all of that,
But I mean most of this is how much personal
responsibility do we take on this. I's listened to Hipkins
in the House yesterday with this weird dodgy survey on
FASO in any of that crap anyway, the point being,
if you want to smoke, you're going to smoke. And
nothing that Hipkins or you were telling it is going

(35:07):
to change.

Speaker 17 (35:07):
It, is it. I think you still got to because
of the level of palm smoke tobacco does. We've still
got to keep driving to build awareness. And yes, you
know people will make bad choices, but sometimes they make
bad choices through just you know, it's too hard. So
we've still got to keep leaning in to provide that support.
But absolutely we got too political. We saw the narrative

(35:31):
shifting that we were always about smoke free. Suddenly we've
got all of these other conflated issues being dragged into it.
And where we started being anti nicotine, well, we've been
doing nicotine replacements for decades. Nicotine wasn't the enemy. It
was the mechanism under which nicotine has delivered to you,
which is the issue. And that's what we've got to challenge.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Good stuff, Casey, appreciate it, Casey Costello, who's the Associate
Health Minister. Thirteen minutes past seven, I get went to
Doja cat last night. She was amazing. That's not me.
That's the text of Mike. I went Metallica. This is
I had to google how old these blokes are Kirk
the lead guitarist at a birthday yesterday. They're as good
as they were forty years ago. Show was nothing short
of amazing. Mike. You're going to get heaps of responses.

(36:12):
Metallica was awesome. Just over two hours of back to
back bangers. Average AGEB fifty five. I guess well worth
my four hundred and fifty dollars ticket took my two
sons up from Nelson worth every cent, Mike. Metallica was
epic on my way to work, But I am gen x. Mike,
you'd be wrong in thinking that. Went to Metallica last
night on a first date with someone who's not a

(36:33):
metal fan at all. We had a blast, cool fireworks,
fun crowd, great music. Of course more where that came from.
Shortly fourteen past the.

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Speaker 2 (36:46):
B get to the phone band data and schools in
just a couple of moments. Seems to be working, which
is good. Seventeen past seven Insight meantime into tourism. Our
cycle trails are working. These are the great rides. They're
pumping one point to eight billion. We find out this
morning Interregional News and visitors spending up thirty five percent
on five years ago. Janet Perty are interesting in the
international tourists make up seventeen percent of all trips now.

(37:07):
Janet Purty is the cycle Trails to you for executive
and is with this Janet Morning, I've cured a mic
not a criticism, but seventeen percent strikes me as a
small number. I would have thought there'd be more international
So it's all basically locals enjoying this.

Speaker 17 (37:20):
Well.

Speaker 18 (37:21):
Actually, when the borders were closed obviously we didn't have
any internationals coming in. So it's actually a big increase
from the last five years. And whilst it's seventeen percent,
it's actually a twenty eight percent of that one point
to eight billion, so they actually bring in even more money.
They spend about one thousand dollars more than our domestic visitors.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
That's encouraging. So you will say, when I get you
back on in five years time, that number internationals will
go up because they are spenders, aren't They absolutely.

Speaker 18 (37:49):
And you know, we're saying we're marketing into Australia, we're
marketing into the States. So our plan is to bring
a lot more internationals here to do.

Speaker 17 (37:57):
Our cycle trails.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
How do you market do your market cycling or do
you market the region or outback or adventure tourism.

Speaker 18 (38:08):
We're actually specifically marketing the great right, but the regional
tourism organizations will be marketing come to a region and
we're looking at that as well. You know, come to
Central Otago is about five great rides there. It's a
really good place to face yourself and golf and have
these cycling adventures. So there's a lot of interest. The

(38:30):
global sort of market is estimated to be two hundred
and thirty four billion US dollars in twenty and thirty.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
So you know we want a piece of that, of course,
you do. Good summer lined up, Janet, Oh fantastic.

Speaker 18 (38:44):
Yeah, I'm hoping to get out on a few trails
this summer.

Speaker 12 (38:46):
Good on.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
You're nice to talk to. You appreciate it, Janet Perting.
Who's the New Zealand Cycle Trails Chief executive? Mike Metallica
epic amazing crowd connecting over a shared love of heavy rock,
great settlist, the old boys still have it. Merchover price,
long whitees, well priced, great night, well worth it would
do it again. Mike Metallica was excellent last night, played
their great songs, put on a wonderful show and the
crowd was into it big time. Only problem was the

(39:07):
enormous traffic jam getting out of Auckland due to the
one lane at Bombay. Well, that's not a surprise. Mike
Cliff was okay, age is showing not being disrespectful. I
thoroughly enjoyed it. But the old microphone was a long
way from his mouth a few times, but we could
still hear him fine and the old ventriloquest moment if
you know what I mean. Between songs though, good bend
to history of his life and HiT's happy to laugh

(39:29):
at himself. A good night. A few of the elderly
crowd charged out of their seats to tell others to
sit down. Good entertainment. Mike went to see Bill Bailey.
God is everyone here? Is everyone here? At the moment?
Bill went to see Bill Bailey. Knew Plymouth last night
what a talented man laughed for two hours, was impressed.
A Doja cat Bill Bailey, Metallica, Priscilla Presley and Cliff Richard.
We're virtually Vegas seven.

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out more. Hosky seven twenty four. What is it about
charter schools eh and this ongoing determination to paint them
in some sort of dastard latest example was profiled under
the headline charter schools Opus Day inspired Total appoint school

(41:08):
to be taxpayer funded opus Day. The opening lines further
question its need to exist. The Catholic ethos found at
the school happens to be in a suburb already so
by two other Catholic schools, sort of a like there's
a quota of catholicness just to reinforce the catholicness of
it all. The article tells us it takes inspiration from

(41:28):
the church's secretive branch Opus Day, made famous by the
Da Vinci Code movie and book Who Secretive. It's not
until we're several paragraphs into this particular story that we
find out the actual reason for the school standing up
from the crowd. It offers the Cambridge system at primary level.
And it's well into the piece before we find out

(41:48):
the significance of that, and that is it's the only
primary school to offer Cambridge in the country. In other words,
it's a first at last we get there, they bury
the lead Cambridge if you don't know a sort after.
It's widely seen by many to be superior to what
is offered in standard schooling. That, my friends, is what
charter schools are supposed to be about. And yet you

(42:10):
don't read as much about that as you do about
the angst and opahs. Day choice seems to be a problem.
And the strangest thing about the whole debate is it
seems indisputable that the system so many appear desperate to
defend isn't actually that good. It's based on a one
size fits all model, and I think we can safely
say one size does not fit all. So how about
a bit of divergence, a bit of an alternative, a
different approach. Why is offering something a bit different, so weird,

(42:33):
so scary, so angst inducing, total a point off as
a curriculum that parents pay a fortune and private schooling
for the school will offer it for free. Here's a question,
what if it works, what are the kids learn better,
attend more, pass more, do more, walk out better off?
They're going to write about that or bury the success
because it doesn't suit their agenda. Fasci Mike went to

(42:56):
see Rob Thomas x mac is literally everyone here as
anyone not When to see Rob Thomas x match Box
twenty in Wellington. He was just as good as always.
Interacted with the crowd. Epic night, Everything's inn epic night.
Mike went to John Bishop, John Bishops here Metallica was
lip syncing. Were they? I don't think so. I don't
think hard rockets lip sync. Here's my problem with the

(43:17):
other road cones story this morning is the road cones story.
If you're missing it. Brook van Velden did the hot line.
They went out, few people looked at road cones. Only
seven point five percent of sites visited had a road
cone problem. Here's where I think it's gone wrong. Is
it our perception of road cones. So we look at
the road cones and go, oh, there's a lot of

(43:38):
road cones, and then we make a big fuss about it.
So Brook opens a hot line when in reality, all
along even though you and I looked at the road
cones and went, that's ridiculous. They always complied with the law.
In other words, it's the law that's the problem. The
rules that drive the road cone layout via the problem,
not our perception of them. And so what they should
have done is change the rules and gone, you need

(43:59):
two cones and a ute in front of it and
get on with the job. That would be the mic
hosting rule for fixing the roads. Two cones, max ute
in front of it, get on with the job. Then
you wouldn't have had your hotline, and then you would
have had the problem. This morning, you see see how
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Speaker 2 (44:26):
Developing news on the war that's going to go nowhere,
but I'll outline the details for you in just a
couple of moments. Twenty three minutes away from it looks
like the old cellphone band in schools is working. New
ro report tells us classroom learning is improved, Kids are
more sociable and we have a reduction in bullying compliance
though well less than forty percent apparently of the year
twelve thirteen's are handing them in. Ruth Sheanoda is the

(44:46):
head of the Ero Education Evaluation Center, and she's back, Well,
this is Ruth, good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (44:51):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
So what are the numbers you've gotten in terms of
if they're not handing them in at years twelve and thirteen,
so are they doing it at nineteen and eleven for example?

Speaker 19 (45:01):
Yeah, absolutely so if you said, really encouraging results so
far from their cell phone band which came in last year,
improved focus, improved achievement, reduced bad behavior, and reduction in bullying.
So two thirds and secondary leaders the same billiing's gone down.
But this is despite the fact that half the secondary
school students don't comply all the time. And the number
one reason they don't comply is actually to contact all

(45:23):
be contacted by their parents.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Right, and so are the rules around that if you
can a kid just say to a teacher, I'm not
giving you the phone, and that scene to their desert.

Speaker 8 (45:33):
No.

Speaker 19 (45:33):
So in primary school, what happens is they generally confiscate
them at the beginning of the day and then they
give them back at the end of the day. In
secondary schools they tell them to put them away the day,
but the way it phones away for the day is
in fact the requirement. Secondary school students are so sneaking
at break times, bathrooms, popping out, using them in other places,
and when they're caught. The number one reason they say
they're doing it is because they're contacted by or are

(45:55):
contacting their parents. And so we're saying to parents today
up and down the country, if your phone, if you
want to phone your child today in the school office,
if your child's phones you don't answer them at the
end of the day, tell them the phone is supposed
to be away, because we know that it makes a
difference to learning.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, but also they're not ringing the parents, and the
parents aren't ringing them. You must understand that, ruth. That's
the first excuse they come up with. What they're doing
is gaming and texting and sitting on Instagram.

Speaker 19 (46:21):
Actually it's a bit of a mixture. So we did
talk to parents and they did say they are contacting
their students. You know, things like if you've got this kid,
are you picking up here a third of parents actually
worry about not being able to contact their students through
the day. So we're saying it's an an am. Yes,
we need to make sure that we've got parents backing schools,
because we found if parents resist, students are twice as

(46:42):
likely to be breaking the rules. There's a really strong
relationship there. I'll tell you what works though, taking the
phone off kids, confiscating it, notifying the parents.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Schools that do that have.

Speaker 19 (46:52):
Strong enforcements students compliance doubles good.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
The results you're getting it is I take it observation also.
In other words, they're telling you they think that bullying
is down. There's nothing hard dataous about it. It's just
an observation. Is that fear.

Speaker 19 (47:07):
So what we know is that teachers know really well
what's going on in their class. So we had ten
thousand teachers, leaders, students and parents and boards telling us
what's going on in schools. We also interviewed. We have
board assurance statements where they report to HERO and of
course Eero goes in and looks at schools. Everything is
reporting the same thing, and teachers both generally say billing
has gone down. If it hasn't, there's certainly not two

(47:29):
thirds of school leaders. So they're seeing a big shift,
and that's because you know what it's like. If they
can't take the phone out and clip people fighting, people
fight us. If they can't send each other aggressive texts
and messages in paths really reduces the billing. But you're
right when you said earlier that whilst getting rid of
cell phones is a great first step, we still have
got more to do good stuff.

Speaker 12 (47:49):
Forth.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Appreciate your time as always. Ruth Shanada, who's the hit
of the Eero evaluation that's center at some twenty minutes
away from Itte asking business. This has been reported by
a number of people at the moment in the No
the Trump administration in Russia have been meeting behind the
scenes to draw up a plan. This is the latest
plan to end the war with Ukraine. Sweeping new proposal,

(48:10):
major concessions required from Kiev. They are urging Zilanz to
get this point to take it so it's still at
a framework stage. Apparently it has been conveyed to Keev
this week by Steve Whitkoff. Would amount to Ukraine giving
up sovereignty if Kiev accepted the plan, seed the remainder
of the eastern don Bass, including the land currently under

(48:31):
Keep's control, cut the size of its armed forces by half.
That's all I need to tell you, because obviously it's
not going anywhere. Nineteen to two.

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Speaker 2 (48:48):
At be Mike Mattellica. Definitely a great night. I'm in
my mid twenties. Son and I went to Suicidal Tendencies
at the Power Station Tuesday night as well, and the
whole family had tickets for Tool at Spark Arena this weekend.
What a great week That's fantastic. I was just talking
about the economic implications of all of this. I mean,
just in this morning's discussion, which has been brief, you've

(49:09):
got tens of thousands, if not close to a well
in excess of one hundred thousand people. If you go
back to Lenny Kravitz at the weekend, you take all
the minor players like Bill Bailey and Bishop the comedian
was there, and you talk about Cliff Richard several times over,
you've dealt with many, many, many, many many millions of
dollars into the economy, and well in excess of one
hundred thousand people. Allegedly in the so called cost of

(49:31):
living crisis, which I don't think there is anymore. Some
people struggle, of course, they do, always have, always will.
But what I'm saying is we seem to get exercised
about butter when really we've got four hundred and fifty
dollars for a concert ticket. I mean, work it out.
I mean, if you've got four hundred and fifty dollars
for a concert ticket, you don't have problems with butter.
Do your Morning Mike read the rail project coming under budget?
Why would you use air a sound clip stating the

(49:52):
cost of canceling the contract should be included with Any
decent person with financial now knows not to include a
sunk cost in an assessment. The news reporters mischievous. Yeah,
there's no right and wrong. I mean, you're right, But
I mean this is the sort of myopic nonsense we
get into in this country. Unfortunately, what we got yesterday
on the Fairies was a problem solved. Now, if you

(50:14):
want to spend some time going back and forward about
what got spent and what didn't got spent, and what
got canceled and what the break free was, Yeah, I mean,
if you want to waste your time doing that. I
suppose you can do it, but others are moving on.
We have two ships. They are bigger ships than the
one we have currently. They will be delivered in twenty
twenty nine. They will be paid for with a great
deal less money than was going to be paid for

(50:37):
under the IRAX project. That's about all we need to know.
Is the problem solved?

Speaker 15 (50:41):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Do we have ships?

Speaker 20 (50:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Are they better than what we've got yes? Did we
save money in the process, yes. I don't know what
else you need to spend your time on. By the way,
if you want to watch a video why Superior Speed
isn't selling EVS, it's in CNBC. It's well worth watching
because initially were sold on the idea that you have
all this instant talk and you could have a battery.
And they went really fast and even though they didn't

(51:05):
go broombroom, it's quite exciting. This is on the morning.
By the way, that Portion internationally have globally launched their
kN which is what I would call mid size. I
think they call it a large suv. Anyway, it's fully
electric and it's their first electric k in. It comes
in at one thousand, one hundred break horse power. It's
just absurd. I mean, no one will ever use one thousand,

(51:27):
one hundred break horsepower. And in that is one of
the many, many, many, many many problems with evs. By
the way, in Wonderlust magazine, I don't know if you
subscribe to it, but I do. Wonderlust Magazine twenty two categories,
four point eight million votes. It's UK based magazine. We
are moderately desirable. As it turns out, we're the eighth

(51:48):
most desirable country in the world. This is tourism again,
going back to the cycle trails and stuff like that.
Twenty two different categories in this, but we're the eighth
most desirable country in the world. One a series is
the most city where the third most desirable for adventure
to destination. Got to tell you about Murray. Murray's a
mate of one of our son. Murray's from Scotland, and

(52:12):
so Murray's here on holiday at the moment, and there
was some consternation within family circles around Murray's adventure into
New Zealand. So Murray he rang us the other day,
Old Josh and he said, Murray's coming out to New Zealand,
and we went, oh God, this is the right time
of year. What's he doing out here in New Zealand.
And it wasn't explained to us what Murray was here for.

(52:33):
But it turns out Murray as a tourist from Scotland,
never been to New Zealand before, came through Australia into
New Zealand. He is extending his time. He's having the
greatest time of his life. And what wasn't told to
us was Murray is an adventure tourist and so he's
come to New Zealand and he's jumped off everything, he's

(52:54):
ridden on everything that goes fast. Yesterday I think he
was in Rotorua, going down the hill in the Zorb
and he just cannot believe the cool stuff you can
do in New Zealand that involves putting your life at risk,
and he just thinks it's the greatest thing ever. Weather's
been shite, but he's from Scotland, so you know it's

(53:15):
probably an improvement. So he's come at the wrong time
of the year. He's trading in his forty two p
to get a New Zealand dollar. He cannot believe how
far his money's going. He cannot believe how high up
in the air, you can go on a plane to
leap out of it. And he is just he is
a poster child for New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (53:33):
There's a lot of stuff you can do here that
we won't even charge him to put his life at resk.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, exactly. But he is having the best time. So
we were initially worried thinking on jeez, I don't know
about tourism in New Zealand these days, but he is
going to go back to Scotland and he's going to go. Oh,
you should have seen what I did in New Zealand,
and good on him. So if Murray's listening, I'm glad
you're having a good time. Ten minutes away from.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
It the make Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate newstalg
zib it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Is even as away from a to AI is arriving
at your ed department. We got a new AI scribe
from Heidi Health that's been rolled out in nationwide, so
pilots and Hawks Bay saw clinicians see one extra patient
per shift. They save seventeen minutes on average, and they
cut down ADMIN work by eighty one percent. Now Being
condent doctor Being Content is a clinical director at Heidi
health and as with.

Speaker 10 (54:17):
Us Bend Morning Morning, Mike, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Not at all is Heidi Health's just one of a
number of AI tools out there. If you're looking for AI.

Speaker 12 (54:25):
Tools, there are certainly a number of scribes out in
the market, but where one of them and growing quickly,
which is really exciting.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
So the magic is the magic at eighty one percent
cut and admin, is that as good as it gets?
Or might you cut Edmond out completely and you just
talk and AI does it all for you.

Speaker 12 (54:43):
At the moment, that's pretty good. We're hoping to improve
it slightly with a broader roll out, but certainly in
time we're hopeful that we can remove ADMIN completely from
doctor's day and just allow them to focus on treating
their patents.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
And just to be clear, seeing a lot of people
don't quite get the head around AI. At the most
I get at the doctor when I go to the GP,
they're just talking. It's all being transcribed, and then two
minutes later you get a complete print out of what
you've just discussed.

Speaker 12 (55:07):
As that is that's correct. So creating a written transcript
and then using some templates that your doctor can set up,
it can create not just a medical note, but also
you discharge summary, you refer a letter and any other
note that you need at the click of a button.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
What are the legals around it in terms of if
something goes wrong I said this, No you didn't, Yes,
I did, and there it is. You know, are you
one hundred percent certain that what has taken down and
transcribed through AI is accurate.

Speaker 12 (55:37):
It's really important for everyone to know that the doctor
is still responsible for the note, So the time saving
comes from them having a note ready to review in
real time. What happens at the moment is doctors often
save all they're not taking until the end of a
clinical end of a shift, so they're making a note
hours later, which can also be fought with errors. So
really we're hoping that they're able to save as much

(55:58):
time but still can have confidence in the accuracy of
the document because they're reviewing it in real time.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Are you health specific? In other words, why wouldn't the
cops roll us out when they're interviewing somebody.

Speaker 12 (56:10):
So Heidi is trained on clinical language, So any kind
of person with a clinical background, not just doctors, but nurses, physios.
We've had vets use US as well. They can use Heidi,
but certainly we have non clinical people using it for
things like taking meeting minutes as well.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
What's your take on this as a thing in changing
the world and changing our lives. Are you sort of
fully bullish on AI and this is transformational or we're
still discovering what it will be.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
I'm really bullish, particularly in this use case. I think
we've seen across the world doctors, nurses being burnt out
working harder than ever before. But as our populations get
older and more sick, So any relief we can give
our clinical staff and make their work a little bit easier,
but also give them more time to do what they

(57:01):
want to do, which is see and treat patients I
think is going to be a real game changer for
the health system.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Good stuff. I appreciate it very much. Doctor Ben Condon,
who's a clinical director at Highly Healthy's up early for
us in Australia. It's not that early. I mean it's
five minutes away from six asking Yeah, well done, Glenn.
I was just waiting for that now. The landmark federal
rule in court ruling in Australia employers must request, not
require staff to work public holidays. So this came out

(57:30):
of BHP. They got fined. They said, to people who
didn't want work Christmas Day, you got to work Christmas Day.
It's as simple as that. They took them to court.
The judge cited a quote inherent power in balance. So
they paid one hundred thousand dollars fifteen thousand dollars in
fines eighty three thousand dollars in compay to eighty five
different workers failed to consult them before rostering them for

(57:51):
Christmas Day. This was back in twenty nineteen, so once
again a very good example of the wheels of justice
moving very slowly. Just as Darryl Rangier. I don't know
whether this gets appealed or not, but it's a precedent
setting idea that you can no longer go by the
way of rosterdu on Christmas Day. You must request and
I'm assuming as part of that request they've got the

(58:11):
right to say no, thank you. And there is no
specific comeback page. TAPA now page came in in twenty
twenty one and she sang as a song and we
had a chat, and ever since then she's gone on
to big and wonderful things. And that makes it sounds
like because she came into this program, things happened for her,
which is not what I was trying to say at all.
That just happens. In the ensuing period of time, big

(58:31):
and wonderful things have happened to her. She's got a
new EP coming. One of the songs she's going to
be playing for us, so we will have a classic
Mike Hosking song and a chat with Page after the news,
which is next. He refused, talk set being.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Asking the questions others won't the Mike Hosking breakfast with
Bailey's real estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy
three News Talk said.

Speaker 16 (59:00):
You wanted last flights, I wanted my lights. If you
wanted deaf friend things, he wanted my spocks. Another long
tucks that wasn't harding.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
It is seven minutes past eight, five years after the
debut EP came out. Page Tartara's music has but while
it's taken all around the world, we first first caught
up with her in twenty twenty one. Since then there
have been three studio projects. She's a big deal these
days in Korea. Debut EP always growing, that's gone platinum.
She's actually just come back from South Korea, having performed
her first ever Asia headline show in Seoul. Her new

(59:34):
p EP which was out Friday. Page's Space, which I
quite like. Nice to see you.

Speaker 21 (59:40):
Good to see it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Pages space as your handle on socials on social media. Yeah,
so it sounds good. I watched your video yesterday. You're
in Japan. I'll get to Korea in just a moment.
Do you like Japan?

Speaker 21 (59:52):
I love Japan. Have you been to Japan?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I have been to And do you like it? I
love it.

Speaker 21 (59:56):
I can't imagine people not liking it.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
It's a very good way of putting it. People are polite,
it's well organized, It's buzzy and vibey in terms of
people in size and all that sort of stuff. I
just adore.

Speaker 21 (01:00:08):
Yeah, I think because there's so many people that have
to be mindful of each other, and I really love that.
But then Korea has a lot of people, but they
don't have that same.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
No, you know, you've got hot in Korea? What's going
on here?

Speaker 21 (01:00:20):
Because I'm Mowson. No, I don't know, because I'm great
mic No, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:00:26):
I think like.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 21 (01:00:31):
Music that wasn't K pop was popular in Korea.

Speaker 22 (01:00:35):
That's a bit naive with me, but I've noticed that
they like a bit of pop with a hint of
soul slash R and B, like neo soul, and I
guess because my music is that it kind of works
over there. But online there were some people that covered
one of my songs too Much to Hate, like five
years ago, and then it kind of just started moving

(01:00:56):
and then you know, just tried to light the spark
and how was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
The show and the headline act? And you're loving it?
They loving you?

Speaker 21 (01:01:03):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 22 (01:01:05):
I think it's so hard when you're so far away
and you don't know if people are going to show
up or whatever. Because streaming numbers, you know, you can
do streaming numbers, but that doesn't necessarily translate to life.

Speaker 21 (01:01:17):
No, but it was cool that people came.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
I was like, oh, yeah, been tattoo, so you'll be back?

Speaker 21 (01:01:23):
Yeah, yeah, I really want to go back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
How just taught me through the journey since you were
here in twenty twenty one, So the last four years,
how's it been clearly successful? Pleas are going?

Speaker 12 (01:01:32):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:01:32):
Yeah, I mean it's been.

Speaker 22 (01:01:35):
I mean, being an artist is rewarding, but it's also
there's moments where it's soul crushing as well. I think
going to Asia, because I went to Asia in twenty
twenty three as well. I think that felt really validating
to me, kind of being like, oh, people really like
the music. That's great, Like you know, there's something it

(01:01:58):
feels like it's.

Speaker 21 (01:02:00):
Worth it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:01):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, And creatively speaking, are you changing in the last
four years the way you write before? The type of music?

Speaker 21 (01:02:08):
Yeah, I guess, yeah, I think yeah. I think with
life experience and growing.

Speaker 22 (01:02:13):
I guess my first EP Always Growing was about kind
of my early to late teen years, and now I'm
near like I'm heading towards thirty, so I'm kind of
experiencing more real life stuff.

Speaker 21 (01:02:29):
So I think that's really affected the songwriting. Stylistically, I
think I've stayed the same. I'd like to explore more
R and B type sounds. Yeah, so it's kind of
what I'm heading towards.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
How does that work? Creatively speaking, You're allowed to do
whatever you want to do in terms of record labels
and pressure and all that sort of stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:02:48):
You just be you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:02:50):
Yeah, I get like I get a lot of support
in terms of I think they kind of help ground me.
They kind of I'm quite chaotic. So I think about
I want to do a million genres in one album,
which is what I did in my album that came
out in twenty twenty three. And they were kind of like,
you don't need to do that, you know, And I

(01:03:11):
was like, yeah, ye're true. Like they kind of helped
me put things into perspective a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Because the difficulty from their point of view is because
you don't strike me as person's got a huge ego.
So but you know, well a lot of people, you
know in the music industry got an ego, and you
got to treat carefully. You don't want to say something
that creatively is going to send them off into a
mad fury, do you. But it's good. It's good to
get a bit of advice. The Jonas Brothers thing, I

(01:03:38):
can't get my head around. So so you performed with them, right?

Speaker 23 (01:03:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
So how did that come about?

Speaker 21 (01:03:44):
I I was just I bought tickets.

Speaker 22 (01:03:47):
The day that I bought tickets, I was like, oh man,
I would love to sing with them, just because I've
I'm a big camp rock Disney Channel girl.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
Yees.

Speaker 22 (01:03:56):
So I started posting online being like I want to
sing with the Jonahs brother is like, here's me singing
my song, and I didn't think that.

Speaker 21 (01:04:03):
They would see it. The first video they saw.

Speaker 22 (01:04:05):
They commented, but they didn't really give me anything, and
I was like, Okay, I'll keep trying because it was
quite fun.

Speaker 21 (01:04:11):
It was fun for everyone to watch that little segment.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Because, by way, background, that's sort of how you started,
wasn't it. You used to do covers and stick them
out on social media?

Speaker 21 (01:04:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:04:20):
Yeah, yeah, and I'd done a lot of Jonas brothers
stuff before that, so it felt like a bit of
a oh, let me just see what happens kind of thing.
And I think also it's good training, like mental wires,
because as an artist it's so hard to put yourself
out there online and potentially embarrass yourself. So it felt
like good practice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah. But anyway, but next thing, you know, you're standing
there with them.

Speaker 21 (01:04:44):
Yeah, and how good?

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Well was it everything you wanted and thought it was?

Speaker 22 (01:04:49):
I think like doing music, I'm like, I just want
to do it because it's so fun. And that was
something where I was like, you know, why not just
go all in and just.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I reckon that's an age thing. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah,
I think that because we all wanted to sing with
our musical heroes. Yeah, yeah, But one, you've got the
social media, so you've got the access to be able
to do it until you come or you've grown up
in an age where I think, you, what the hell,
why wouldn't I do it? Whereas once upon a time,
look you, no one would think of doing that.

Speaker 16 (01:05:20):
So good on you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
So it's a winner. What are you going to play
for us after the break?

Speaker 21 (01:05:24):
I'm going to play a song that I put out
last Friday, Why do We Want to be in Love?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It's barely old. It's a couple of days old. More
from page is it Paige still or page tops? It
was just we're just.

Speaker 21 (01:05:38):
Page Whatever you want, Mike, it's up to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
More from page shortly thirteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio,
Power by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
News Talks seventeen past eight. Page is our guest Page
of Space was out on Friday. This is the new EP.

Speaker 15 (01:05:59):
This is this?

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Do you call it a single anymore?

Speaker 22 (01:06:02):
It's just well it's all singles. They okay, out of
singles and then it's like, oh, let's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
Call it any pain?

Speaker 20 (01:06:08):
So yeah, hit me with it.

Speaker 21 (01:06:12):
This is why do we want to be in love?

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Trying to be patient in my heart?

Speaker 16 (01:06:31):
It fools a little more logic, call it it be fun?

Speaker 6 (01:06:36):
This isn't this?

Speaker 16 (01:06:38):
They flowers and this the good feelings on all? Please
recippricated your love?

Speaker 6 (01:06:47):
Kai the socks. It hits you, then it runs. So
why why do you wanna be? Wanna be? Met him?

Speaker 24 (01:07:04):
We had some love, had soda poppins, so is up
in the west, apartments so hot that we'd have to
block it with old tee shirts and cuts the carpet loved.

Speaker 6 (01:07:15):
You too, them mounting them back again.

Speaker 24 (01:07:19):
You l even me.

Speaker 16 (01:07:21):
It wasn't part of the plan. I guess love Ki
the sucks. It hits you, then it runs. Yeah, So Whitely,
why a lie?

Speaker 6 (01:07:36):
You wanna be? Wanna be him?

Speaker 15 (01:07:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Yeah, it's not that fun. It hits you like a bis.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
So why do you why dowiek you wanna be? Wanna
be him? Lone say?

Speaker 16 (01:08:01):
Love is patient? It's just complicated, feel so updated?

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
No good to me? Yay, I don't want to be
I don't wanna be in love?

Speaker 16 (01:08:18):
Left and empty spaces, all pollinated, no sign of life too.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
Come rescue me? Yeah, why do we wanna be? Why thee?
Why do we wanna be? Wanna be in?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
That's beautiful?

Speaker 12 (01:08:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
It was good on the video too. I think it's
a bit of here, so we recorded that once it
could be smash it twice over. Yeah, please go listen.
You have a lovely holiday season, Christmas and all that
sort of stuff. Lovely to see you again, to see
your page.

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of you, g Mike. That girl can sing. What a

(01:10:14):
lovely voice and she shears a lightful woman as well.
You always enjoy having young tellor. I was just saying
off here, she's one of those, but you know some people.
I was thinking, Ah, what's the Missy Higgins. She was
at the Ari's yesterday and was looking at a picture
of her this morning. Missy Higgins would go down as
probably one of the bigger pains in the asses on

(01:10:35):
this program over the years in terms of coming in
and demanding things and bringing people and things with them,
and you just think, honestly, it's just a chat and
a song. Calm down, anyway, someone like Page comes in,
she rocks them with a guitar, nice orangewood guitar. Have
you ever heard of orange Wood? I've never heard of
orange Wood. It's a California company and they rang her
up one day and they said, look, we can give

(01:10:55):
you some guitars. So she got an orange Wood deal.
It's a lovely it's a little have a look at
the video when we put it up. It's what I
would call a three quarter sized guitar, and it's a
lovely little guitar, beautiful wood, and she plays it just
a natural, just comes in, chats, sings a song. And
I love people like that. Mike went out to dinner
at christ which is terrorist last night. Duffy was the

(01:11:16):
other one. You remember when Duffy came in, she was
a bit intense, And I thought at the time, when
Duffy came in, I thought she was because she was
going to be like the big deal for a while there.
Duffy was going to be like next level and then
she just sort of she disappeared. There's a story behind
why she disappeared, of course, and she sort of partially
explained that. But she was another one. And then I

(01:11:36):
came to the conclusion that it's British artists. British artists
in general have too many hangers on and they caused
too many problems.

Speaker 19 (01:11:44):
But John Mayo when he broke the string and then
wouldn't play, Yeah, break the string, warming up the guitar,
and it's like, you're like the best guitarist in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Exactly can you restring the guitar? Exactly? I offered to
do it for him, did you. Yeah, Well, that's probably
why I didn't play. Lynn, that's your fight. I didn't
realize all these years later it was actually your fault.
He said. At the end of the interview, goes, we're
going to see each other again. I know we will,
And I thought, what have I mate? Honestly have you no?
Of course, of course I happened. George Israel was another one.

(01:12:14):
He came in with his guitar and a hanger. I mean,
how many he have that? Eight hundred eight hundred hangers on?
My moon boohoop is my moon? And you know, all
the hangers on standing outside through the double glazing, tapping
their feet, nodding their here goes, it's beautiful, George, George,
you're wonderful, George. Don't talk to George. George's finished. It's

(01:12:34):
all going to be in the book. We were going
to get any of these people back in, I'd bring you.
If Mayo rang up and apologized, I'd let him back.
If he said, sorry, sorry about the string, sorry about
the comment, I'll come back in, I'd let him back.
Israe's okay. Israel just had hangers on. He was a
nice guy, he was a cool guy. He was a
cool guy, but just just tainted by the hangers.

Speaker 10 (01:12:56):
Maybe that's why he had so many hangers on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Maybe that's cool. Is that why we don't any hangers on?
Because we're not cool, So we thought of each other's
hangers on out where we are. We just hang on
with each other. That sound weird. Probably sounded but weird,
didn't it. Fortunately the news is coming up next to
save us all, and then we'll go to Britain and
rod here on the my asking.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Well, Mike, I thought I'd died gone to heaven listening
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Speaker 12 (01:13:43):
Business, we go on a little morning to you and
my friend, Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Just as watching PMQ's and this budget, tell you what.
By the time we get to the budget, it's either
going to be the greatest calamity in the history of
modern politics or a complete fizzer. And I can't work
out what it was. But as watching PMQ's and and
Stamer was busy trying to defend him, the suggestion being
that this guy Clive Lewis can swappers seat out with

(01:14:07):
Andy Burnham. Tell me I'm not correct and saying you
can't just do that. In a modern political system, you
don't swap seats. You'd actually need to be elected.

Speaker 20 (01:14:18):
You do have to be elected. Yes, he can't do that.
I think mister Lewis is mentally challenged. Yes, having followed
his career with some interest over the last ten years.
He is, you know, I mean, to the left of
Jeremy Corbyn in many respects, and I can't see actually
that much of a called app between him and Andy Burnham.

(01:14:41):
But what it is, Mike, is more evidence of incredible
dissatisfaction on the backbenches of the Labor Party. Fronder kind
of unholy alliance which has grown up between the soft left,
of which Andy Burnham is a part, the hard left,
of which Clive Lewis is apart, and the Blair Rights,

(01:15:03):
of which I suppose Lucy Powell is kind of a part.
So he has got all these people against him. It
only takes seventy or eighty I forget the exact to
trigger yeah, it's eighty, yeah, to trigger a leadership election.
I don't have much doubt that that will be coming.
It remains to be seen who the stalking horse will be,

(01:15:26):
you know, at a guess someone like Rosy Duffield maybe,
who let the Labor Party whip a year ago because
she was so distressed by the way which Secia Starmer
was handling business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Well, so if they've got the eighty and they mount
a challenge, that's different from having the numbers to roll them.
Do they have the numbers or would they you know,
would they have enough numbers to put the frighteners up them?

Speaker 20 (01:15:52):
Depends how the budget goes down. And if one assumes,
as Anne, I think your first analysis was correct that
it's going to be the worst budget in the history
of budget, then yes, I think they do have the numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Jeez, how what happens then? You know what happens then
is that well, he's wounded fatally, you might argue, But
who does it leave open to take over? And you
know west Streeting is obviously one of the one of
the people in the running for it, and the most likely,

(01:16:27):
I suppose, But the left wouldn't like.

Speaker 20 (01:16:30):
Him very much. Eider shabarnament mood they would hate even more,
though she would be popular with the public. And the
man who actually could do something quite good for them
is Andy Burnham, but he has no prospect of getting
a seat other than this strange swap with Clive Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
These factions you talk of within the Labor Party, would
they be as omnipresent if the Labor Party hadn't won
so spectacularly and had such a large caucus.

Speaker 20 (01:16:58):
That's a great question. That is a great question, do
you know. I think that if Labor had been elected
with a majority of about fifty that it would have
been a lot easier for k Suki Stama to run
the country, a lot lot easier. But instead he's got
a majority of you know, one hundred and seventy, and

(01:17:22):
a large proportion of those are new people to politics
who have got wafer thin maturities and therefore nothing to lose.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
He can't in a funny way. We've talked about it
so much. I can't wait for next week's budget because
I'm just intrigued. Beyond measure is too. If she's not
going to do Texas, how does she fill the hole?
If she doesn't fill the whole, how does she explain it?
How does the market react to the bond yields, the
interest rates, the economy all? It's sort of all to
play for, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:17:50):
It is?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It is.

Speaker 20 (01:17:52):
I don't know what she's going to do, you know,
I've tried to. It looks to me as if the
working class person I Labour's call vote is going to
be the hardest hit by this fiscal drag of not
raising the amount which puts you into each tax band,

(01:18:12):
So that will hit the most aspirational labor voters and
that will be a huge problem for them electorally. Other
stuff mansioned tax, you know, maybe a change to stamp duty.
I can't see it, you know, shifting the counter one
way or the other. But it all depends if she

(01:18:33):
has anything more up a sleeve on tax.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
What is the worst problem the budget or the asylum seekers?

Speaker 20 (01:18:42):
The budget the butget the asylum seekers are bad. But
at least Labor is based in the knowledge that the
Tories did no better and they do have shabarnament mood
who seems to be doing something. So the budget is
by far and away the biggest issue for them, can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
You explained to me? And I was reading a piece yesterday.
So in Australia they've got this deal, this Nauru deal,
And there's an argument in Australia at the moment as
to whether they ever released the details or contents of
the contract. It's a two and a half billion dollar contract.
It lasts for thirty years. There are some people in
Australia that were banged up in jail. The judges you
can't bang these people and jailer got to let them

(01:19:20):
out now. They're all rapists and murderers and stuff, and
so they've done a deal with our rudership them off right.
Can you explain to me how they can do that
deal in Australia and get away with it? And yet
what is the law or the problem in Britain that
stops you from doing exactly the same thing with another country?

Speaker 20 (01:19:37):
The European Convention on Human Rights technically and the judges
therefore who abide by that dictum is the thing which
would stop us doing that. But he would beyond the
chr We have such sticklers for the legal niceties that
he would just never get through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Okay, just quickly, while I've got you those lasers from
the Russian ships and the Chinese spying this in the
last twenty four to forty eight hours. Is that people
worried about it any more than they have been previously
or not?

Speaker 20 (01:20:10):
They're not as worried about it as perhaps they should be.
Nor still yet from the report from the Defense Select Committee,
that we are nowhere near a fighting strength to take
on any enemy that might wister, harry, or invade us.
We are woefully out of step militarily, and I don't
think we have the remotest idea of how to grapple

(01:20:33):
with Chinese subter fuse.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
All right, Rob, good to talk to you. I'll see
you next week. Appreciate it. So that was Dan Jervis,
yesterday's security minister telling us about em I five and
the warnings over the Chinese and this morning Russian spyship
on the edge of UK waters using the lasers and
the government was taken quite quite deeply dangerous move, extremely seriously,
so I don't know what that means. And the other
just quickly out of Europe. If you follow this, and

(01:20:57):
it's an interesting story. This goes back to the next period.
Next Peria is the Chinese company in Holland. They make
the chips, the bits and pieces for cars the car industry.
The Dutch government grab them, big scrap between America, China
and the Dutch government. The Dutch government has now released
that company from their control. They're back making the chips.

(01:21:17):
That particular problem seems to for now to have been sold.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
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Speaker 15 (01:21:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Just a reference to that Naru deal yesterday was making
news because two and a half billion dollars. So the
government said officially it's not going to release the details
of this deal with NARU. This is the Home Affairs
Minister Tony Burke blame the Liberal Party for stoking discord
over immigration, which of course is complete crap. People just
want to know what they've signed up for, because, of
course the argument at the moment is the two and

(01:21:50):
a half billion dollars, good chunks of it are going
to gang members and all sorts of nefarious operators in
NARU who are gerrymandering the system and taking money for themselves.
So Australian taxpayers quite rightly want to know that the
whole system isn't a stitch up. It's a thirty year deal.
And so unless they're challenged in court, which maybe they
will be, they're not releasing the contents of the contract,

(01:22:11):
which I thought is an interesting approach to take. I
was just thinking about Britain. I was watching a thing
yesterday Hannah Ricketts is worth having a look at. Hannah Ricketts.
Every Saturday morning in New Zealand, Time releases a video
of a hotel that she's reviewed in London, and I
like watching those hotels. Just you know, next time you're
in London, you go, geez, I want to where I
should stay? Well, you know, that's the sort of thing

(01:22:31):
you look at, and she does. Anyway, The point is
she has also just started doing Christmas videos, and nobody
does Christmas like the British, and they just go nuts
for Christmas. Who're talking to a couple of friends the
other day and they're in London for the first time
and the lights are on and the streets are festooned
with festivity and Christmas chair and they just absolutely love it. Anyway,
she did a video of Selfridges, which is my favorite

(01:22:53):
department store in the whole world, and they have a
as you can imagine, just probably the greatest Christmas shop
on earth. And she went in there and looked at
all the decorations and the trees and the things you
can buy, and we just don't do Christmas the way
they do. Anyway, just so I was full of the
joys of Christmas. But then she looked at the individual
these are little trinkets and stuff for your Christmas tree,

(01:23:13):
and this is where your dollar comes in, your forty
two cents, forty two p's. She picked up just the
just the bog awful little standard trinkets for your Christmas tree,
and they're ten pounds and that's twenty five dollars. And
then the next one was fourteen pounds and that's like
thirty three dollars. And she bought she saw a little

(01:23:36):
away in a manger type set up that was six
hundred pounds, which is like fifteen sixteen hundred dollars. And
you're thinking, I can't afford Christmas anymore. And nothing in
that shop, I know it Selfridges, but nothing in that shop.
If your shopping in New Zealand dollars was even close
to being affordable. Hence your Christmas is ruined. So I

(01:23:57):
came away actually quite depressed. Nine away from nine.

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Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
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and this one, this one shows the real difference that
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That's what he was told. So and Nebel thought, well,
hold on, he how am I supposed to wear these
things at all? So he returned them, and then he
saw an ad for Resonate Health and he went and

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dealt with them. And because they're good at what they do,
he hasn't looked back, because Resonate Health actually listened. So
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(01:25:07):
Christuches Terrorist last night. Couldn't believe how vibrant and busy
it was. It's because Priscilla Presley was in town. Why
that was the vibe was so positive via christ Ucher
is booming at the moment. No one not a single
bit of feedback on Priscilla Presley this morning. That's unfortunate,
isn't It got feedback on every other act in town
bar Priscilla Presley. So Priscilla is on tonight. I only

(01:25:29):
to believe in Auckland. So if you're going along, you'll
need to give me the review on the program tomorrow.
Speaking of reviews, sort of five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Knocked for a smoker. This was lovely actually. John Williamson,
who is probably one of the world's nicest people, and
I met him in two thousand at the Sydney Olympics.
Neither of us were competing, but I met him at
the end of a wharf because some idiot with television

(01:26:17):
at the time. Some idiot decided to be good to
film him at the end of a wharf. Anyway, I've
loved John Williamson my whole life. I think he's absolutely brilliant. Anyway,
he was there yesterday at the state funeral of John Laws,
and he died the other day at the age of ninety.
Also there was Russell Crowe, who delivered the eulogy.

Speaker 15 (01:26:36):
A long long time ago, John asked me if I
would speak at his funeral.

Speaker 10 (01:26:44):
I said yes, And then he just kept on living.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Year after year after year. I mean, he lived so
long that I've thought at one point I might.

Speaker 10 (01:26:57):
Have lost the gift.

Speaker 15 (01:27:00):
However, here we are.

Speaker 12 (01:27:04):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:27:04):
Obviously I've planned all these remarks. The idea, though, is
that I give you the impression I'm just telling you
stories off the top of my cat. It'll take a
bit of acting, let's see. However, it's kind of like
cash for comments, but less obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
That was his best line up of so it was
very nice. And John Williamson, who is now eighty, and
it's always a test, of course to see somebody who's
eighty with a guitar in front of an audience and
all the acoustic problems a church may or may not
put up. But he was brilliant. Howard was there, John Howard,
A lot of radio was there. Chrismins was there. The

(01:27:45):
current premiere of New South Wales who gave him the
state funeral. So all in all lasted a bit over
and now he's a very nice piece of work and
a very good tribute. That is us for the day.
Back for Friday Morning from six Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
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