Full Show Podcast: 11 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Opinionated, informed, unapologetic. Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast,
were the defender, embraced the impossible, news togs.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Dead be morning and welcome to the show coming up today.
It's a day on from Ozzie banning the insta for
the kids. So how long are we going to watch
it before deciding whether to follow suit. We're going to
speak to nationals. Carl Bates. Tourist numbers are almost almost
back to pre COVID levels, tourism holdings on that. We've
got a couple of export stories for you. One is
bad because of the tariffs, the other one is great

(00:29):
because of Kiwi innovation. And then Mark Cuban. If you
haven't heard of this guy, you need to billionaire from
the States, thought about politics, loves rugby. He's with us after.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Eight Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Right, So we will end the year with Parliament's public
gallery shut, which is disappointing because we find ourselves, unfortunately
at the end of this year almost exactly where we
were at the end of last year, dealing yet again
with disruption in Parliament. Now I need to say I
like Jerry Browne. In fact, I think most people who
have a drink with a guy end up really like
Jerry Brownly. And if he is still talking to me

(01:02):
after what I'm about to say, I would love to
ask him what it is that he was thinking when
he sat there in the Speaker's chair on Tuesday, just
watching the pro Palestinian protesters chanting and carrying on above
the MPs, and why he didn't get to his feet
like I'd imagine most previous speakers would have and issued
an instruction to clear the gallery immediately. It is quite
weird watching the video if you know how parliament works,
it's weird because Parliament is disrupted. All the MPs just

(01:26):
sit there looking at each other kind of helplessly, and
then the speaker camera cuts to the speaker speakers sort
of half smiling, sitting there, focusing on the chanting, focusing
on the people, as if he's almost trying to chat
tack to catch what it is that by saying like
he wants to understand it. And this goes on for
about four minutes. It's almost as if Jerry Browne in

(01:46):
this moment, has forgotten that he's the speaker and not
just another MP, and he can actually do something about it,
and then after which he just dismisses it as performative
art like loll. Now, these guys should not, under any circumstances,
have been allowed to go on for about four minutes.
They should have been tossed out immediately because they are
actually a risk to the MPs below them. They only
in this case threw down pamphlets. The problem is if

(02:07):
they throw down something else and it falls on an
MP's head and you don't need me to tell you
what happens then, and if there is a leason that
we've learned from the Maori Party hucker which happened around
about this time last year, it's that you crack down
immediately if you're the speaker, or you will simply get
other people aping it, like Brook van Valden, who after
the hacker then tried to get her own social media
attention by dropping the sea bomb in parliament. We've said

(02:29):
this a million times on this station. If we want
good standards, we have to enforce good standards, and that
is a job that falls to the speaker and it
is a pussy and it is frustrating that we find
ourselves back here yet again at the end of a
second year.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
What news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Kirstarmer has paid tribute to a UK soldier accidentally killed
in Ukraine while testing a new defense capability.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
His life was full of courage and determination. He served
our country with honor and distinction around the world in
the course of freedom and democracy.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Trump's EU security policy is still getting quite a lot
of attention. Here's the lib DEM's leader ser hed.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
It repeats far right troops of civilizational Erasia and threatens
that the US government will cultivate resistance in Europe. No
wonder Vladimir Putin has welcomed that strategy.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Trump is still streaking the idea that affordability is democrat
hoax because everything is fine.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
I mean, the only thing that it's really going up
big it's called the stock market and.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Your four h one case that's going up. A lot of.

Speaker 7 (03:38):
People misinterpreted and they say, oh, he doesn't realize prices
are coming down very substantially.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, economist sunt quite is convinced, and they're looking at
these things called facts.

Speaker 8 (03:47):
Prices are remaining higher three percent, well above fed two
percent target. We still have high prices in the United States,
rising prices in the United States, adding to the already
high prices.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Now, venezuel And opposition leader Maria Karina Machado has accepted
her Nobel Peace Price award via a voice message, seeing
as she's been in hiding since January after Maduro put
out warrants for her arrest.

Speaker 9 (04:09):
I want to thank the Norwegian Novel Committee for years
in Man's recognition to the fight of our people for
democracy and freedom. We feel very emotional and very honored.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
A little bit of a COVID trigger warning for you,
because it looks like masks might be back. The NHS
said masks should come back as the UK is facing
its worst flu wave ever.

Speaker 10 (04:35):
The strain of flu that's bringing prevalent this year is
behaving slightly differently and is more easy, is easier to catch,
and more easier, more easy to pass from person to person.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
And finally, tourists who want to go to the US
World Cup may find it harder to get into the country.
Trump administration has unveiled plans to force any and all
tourists to show their social media activity over the last
five years as a require I meant to get in.
They're going to check for any sort of terrorist support
make sure you haven't seen anything mean about great Leader Trumpy.
You'll also need to provide any phone numbers you'd used

(05:08):
in the last five years, as well as full details
on any family members, including children. So not being a
bit psycho at all. That is news of the world.
And thirty seconds? What am I talking about? Ninety seconds?
I'll tell you why I thought of thirty seconds. It's
because it turns out those guys who nicked all the
stuff from the loove got away from the cops with
only thirty seconds to spare. And it's because the security
cameras weren't all working. So what it meant is the

(05:31):
agents who were watching this all unfold in the security
room couldn't actually properly follow what was going on in
real time because I'd see somebody who then the next
security cameras often they couldn't quite follow it, And then
when the cops turned up, they were initially sent to
the wrong place. So if just one of those things
hadn't gone wrong, might have caught the bad guys. Thirteen
past six, the.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
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Speaker 3 (05:56):
I'd be.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
The tariffs to have hit one business Yummy Apples not
gonna It's just not worth sending the apples to the
States anymore because the tariffs are eating into the margin
that much. We're gonna have a chat to Yummy Fruit
about it after the half past news. It's qulled to
past six. Andrew Keller has sure and partners with us.
Morning Andrew, A morning have it. What do you reckon
about the Fed?

Speaker 8 (06:18):
Ah?

Speaker 11 (06:19):
Yeah, well we've got the Fed. They're stepping up to
the plate at eight o'clock this morning. They'll announce their
decision on the level of the Fed funds rate, and
everyone's expecting a twenty five basis point cud. But then
you get the press conference which Jerome House steps up,
steps up to the parlium, and of course there's the
degree of consensus around the decision. There's the outlook. That
is all what tends to move markets. First rate meeting

(06:40):
of twenty five basis point cuds. They have got quite
a bit of competing stuff in the background. Despite what
President Trump says. There is inflation still is sitting a
little bit high for the Federal Reserve, and they've also
got risks to full employment as well. Look, the futures
market's still expecting this and three more cuts in the
US over the next twelve months. They've got a bit
of a similar issue in the US that we have here,

(07:02):
and that the Fed funds rate will pull down the
lower short term rates, but they've still got pressure on
their longer term rates. That's the funding pressure from the
very large funding deficit that the government is running.

Speaker 12 (07:12):
But Heather, All will be revealed at eight o'clock.

Speaker 11 (07:13):
You will be on air. You can bring it live
breaking news. You could be your moment this morning.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I can't wait for it. Thank you. Listen. What are
you making of the immigration numbers?

Speaker 12 (07:25):
Yeah, Look, so this is immigration numbers.

Speaker 11 (07:28):
That immigration tourism numbers released yesterday by Status of New
Zealand for October. Look, annual migration is still pretty subdued.
Tourism though, I think is looking like a developing positive story.
And I think you're talking. You said you were talking
to someone later on about that. Look, migration numbers, they're
always provisional. We often get significant revisions over the ensuing months.

(07:49):
Provisional estimates for the October twenty five years a net
migration gain of eleven nine hundred people. By way of comparison,
the October twenty four years, a gain of over thirty
five thousand, and to try, there's masses of numbers in here,
so let's try and keep them sort of fairly simple
and eye level. Arrivals over the one hundred and thirty

(08:09):
six thousand, that's down ten percent, so few arrivals, but
departures are up seven percent one hundred and twenty four thousand,
so fewer people arriving, more people leaving. Now, Heather, our
household is doing it's best to reverse the brain train.
Kellerher junior two back this week for good after seven
and a half years away. But he's in the minority

(08:30):
because that's not really happening. But he's also accompanied by
new imports, and we've got two for one.

Speaker 12 (08:35):
Deal going on the air for the news and government.

Speaker 11 (08:37):
But look, by way of comparison, if I look at
this bigger picture, annual migrant arrivals peaked it's two hundred
and thirty five thousand, it's now at one hundred and
thirty six An annual net migration peaked at one hundred
and thirty six thousand netgay that was in the October
twenty three year. So this is a very speedy and

(08:57):
reasonably precipitous decline if you think think about that's only
two years ago, from one hundred and thirty thousand to
twelve thousand. Looking at a very granular level for the month,
the monthly provisional number two and a half thousand.

Speaker 12 (09:09):
Or two thousand and four hundred.

Speaker 11 (09:11):
That will change, but at this point it's the strongest
monthly increase in eighteen months.

Speaker 12 (09:16):
So look, is the momentum shifting. I think you've got
to ask that question.

Speaker 11 (09:19):
It's a result of a sharper recent fall and departures
they're down seven and a half percent and arrivals relatively stable.
It does look to me like there is a small
uptick in the numbers. We've still got to think about revisions.
The long term average if you go to pre COVID
was plus just under twenty nine twenty eight thousand, six hundred.
Just looking at composition of the migrant arrivals, the largest

(09:43):
group of citizens it's actually returning New Zealanders, but it's
followed by citizens from India and China. For look at
it over the year. Key sources of migrants coming in India, China,
Philippines and Sri Lanka. Of course, low levels of migration
weigh on growth because historically we've been hoarded people and
they eat and they've got to live somewhere, and that's

(10:04):
that's contributed to growth.

Speaker 12 (10:05):
Historically we don't have that.

Speaker 11 (10:06):
But yeah, tourism for the October twenty five October twenty five,
three hundred and three thousand people came in. That's above
the long term average for the year three point four
to five million. That's also above the long term average.

Speaker 12 (10:18):
Of two point seven one million.

Speaker 11 (10:20):
They're at the highest levels we've seen them in five
and a half years.

Speaker 12 (10:23):
That's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right, I reckon, Andrew, have you got a wager to
collect from hosting?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (10:30):
Now what's this all about?

Speaker 11 (10:31):
He's gone off away on holiday and.

Speaker 12 (10:34):
My bet, where's my bet? We've got to go to
a restaurant.

Speaker 11 (10:36):
You're an inner city doyen of the inner city restaurant scene,
aren't you?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Where should we go for me to collect this debt
bay standard? Because you know, I mean, part of that,
part of the humiliation is making him come to you.

Speaker 11 (10:49):
Ah, what do you record my chances are of that?

Speaker 12 (10:52):
What do you?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Reckon?

Speaker 12 (10:53):
My I just want to get the bet. I just
want to get him to pay up.

Speaker 11 (10:56):
So I'm prepared to move for him to pay the bill,
but I need a good restaurant recommendations. Do we get
some problem that perhaps perhaps the text machine could get going, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I reckon. I mean, if the text machine can find
anybody there, I reckon. Amro's always hard to beat. So
if there's any anything better than the Mano, they have
to let us know, right, give us the numbers.

Speaker 11 (11:13):
Sure, the Dow Jones is up two hundred points zero
point four two percent, forty seven thousand, seven hundred and
sixty one, the S and P five hundred and six,
eight four five.

Speaker 12 (11:23):
That's up five points.

Speaker 11 (11:25):
And then there's that down seventy five points as we
look at it, point three percent.

Speaker 12 (11:28):
Twenty three thousand, five hundred and.

Speaker 11 (11:29):
One forty one hundred up point one six percent overnight.
The nick A down point one, the forty two, one
hundred and ninety six five eight, the NIK fifty thousand,
six hundred and two, Shanghai Composite down just under quarter
of a percent three nine zero zero. The AUSSI has
lost seven points yesterday, eight five seven nine.

Speaker 12 (11:46):
They close.

Speaker 11 (11:46):
We lost eighty four points thirty one thousand, three hundred
and seventy one Kiwi dollar still hovering under fifty eight
cents against the US point five seven eighty three point
eight seven oh nine, Aussie point four nine six six
against the euro point four three through seven pounds Japanese
n nineteen point four one gold four two hundred and
one dollars. Brent crude has had a cheeky little decline

(12:07):
this week, sixty one dollars and forty seven cents. So
that's good leading into Christmas for all of.

Speaker 12 (12:13):
The holiday road trips, Cheaper gas.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, listen, and Andrew, Merry Christmas, because I
know it's your last day on the show this year,
so Merry Christmas in ten years on the show is
a pretty remarkable thing to do as well. That's Andrew
callaher of Shaw and Partners. Italy is the first country
to have its food officially recognized by UNESCO as a
Cultural Beacon. It's already got things like pizza making on
the list, but this is the first country to have
the whole lot all of the cuisine recognized. So how

(12:37):
good is that? Six twenty two The.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
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Speaker 2 (12:47):
Heather Who the hell are you to talk about high
standards calling our deputy Prime Minister a dick and worse? Well,
you know what, f fair point, Although what I will
point out is that I actually enforced high standards, which
I think is the important thing, and I enforced them
on myself and forced myself to say an apology, So
probably redeemed here. The Paris Butter would be a good

(13:08):
option for Andrew Farina on Ponsible Road is great. I
think both of these are fantastic restaurants are suggestions. Somebody
said Craggy Range, which would it would be very good
humiliation making him go all the way down there, or
as somebody says, complete the humiliation and make it KFC
or McDonald's six twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Five trending now warehouse your home at Christmas shopping?

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Have I got a list for all the misery guts
out there? The Advertising Standards Authority has released its most
complained about ads for twenty twenty five. They gave a
top five. In fifth place was Turner's Group's ad where
they changed the lyrics for Tina from Turner's song and
you all remember the weird furori about that. Turners eventually
changed it. In fourth was B and Z's pay app
for misleading charges and being demeaning to small retailers. And

(13:55):
this was number three, whatever you call them, wherever your smell,
New Rasner whole Buddy Odor Protection.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
He mon't let you down wherever you smell.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
That promoted the idea that fat that only a small
percentage of his sweat actually comes from your pits. So
it had close ups on bums and feet and words
on screen like balls and nuts. Got very complained about.
No action was taken on it by the ASA. And
then the Lotto A Promise is a promise ad was
the second most complained about, with one hundred and eighteen
total complaints.

Speaker 13 (14:31):
Gloves Yeah you can wear gloves, yep, put only on
your hands.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Sure, okay, el hope you won same.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
And then this was the most complained about.

Speaker 14 (14:42):
Hello New Zealand time the Colonel hacker for seven weeks,
I'm hacking the.

Speaker 15 (14:46):
KFC med you you haven't seen the last one me.

Speaker 6 (14:50):
It's finger lecking good.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
That actually was a terrible ad. In the end it
was the ASA actually did rule on it and take
it down because it just popped up everywhere and scared
the kids. But also just weirdly off brand, wasn't it?
News is next.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Credible? Compelling?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
Joe McKennon is going to be with us out of
Italy in less than ten minutes time. Right now, it's
twenty three away from seven. Now, one of the country's
major apple growers is calling it quits on sending fruit
to the US because of the tariffs. Yummy Apples reckons
it's just not worth it anymore. Last season, the apples
they sent ss stateside returned a dollar less than they
cost to produce. Paul Painter as the general manager of
Yummy Fruit and with Us, Morning Paul, Good Morning Paul.

(15:50):
Was this a tough decision or was this something that
you could see coming for a while.

Speaker 16 (15:54):
No, not a tough decision at all. Basically, if they
want to charge your ten percent tariff and you can
sell it somewhere else, it's what you'll do. So apple
exports to the US have fallen about thirty percent in
the last two years. How I think the tariffs are
probably a big part of that.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean is the tariff's the straw that broke
the camel's back, because it looks like there are other
issues going on there as well, like oversupply, and therefore
you know, lower profits are lower lower prices.

Speaker 16 (16:19):
Oh, you're well informed. Yes, Wall Street's taken over the
apple growing business. I always say when the big city
money's in farming, the end is nigh. But that's what's happened.
So they've parted a lot of new apples and the
market's a bit a bit depressed, a little bit oversupplied,
and so they slap the tariff on our products in
terms of apples, but in terms of things like beef,

(16:40):
where they're short and the prices are high and the
consumers using the taft disappears.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Now, where are you going to send your fruit instead?

Speaker 16 (16:48):
Well, that's a good question. Well, if it's a sweet apple,
you've probably set it off to two asias somewhere in
China obviously being the biggest market. But the challenges if
it's a tart apple, like a brayburn. In the US
through the Northeast and Midwest, you've got the Scandinavian, Polish, German,
Irish people that like a bit of a tart apple,

(17:10):
and the Chinese certainly don't. So it is a predicament.
But what we're seeing is a real drop and those.

Speaker 17 (17:16):
The production of those tart apples.

Speaker 16 (17:17):
So Braby used to be the biggest shipped applet in
New Zealand and I think now it's down to about
five percent of export.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I love the tart apples. What about you?

Speaker 16 (17:26):
Oh yeah, I love them too, But you're the white girl.
I'm a what you're the white girl?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, I mean I'm one hundred percent of Irish stock
and all that kind of stuff, So you know, it's genetic.
It's mate Kunger. Basically it is if the tariffs are gone, right,
if Trump changes his mind, which is not unheard of,
will you resume the exports? Will stick with the new markets?

Speaker 16 (17:47):
Oh, it's still a tough market. I will ship some
to the US if the tariffs were there, But it's
definitely a fading light for New Zealand way while places
like China are booming.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and what's next years harvest? Looking like as I'm hearing,
it's pretty good?

Speaker 16 (18:02):
Oh, unbelievable. Had the warmest spring I can ever remember.
So fruit size is big, not a lot of frosts,
really clean fruit where it's absolutely perfect. So you know
we're sick in here in a row. We're having your
wonderful production season. So ip you growlers here.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, I'm so pleased to hear that. Paul, look after yourself, mate,
have a nice dat as Paul Paint a yummy fruit
company general manager. Tell you what it is. I reckon
and I'm just making this up on the spot because
I haven't actually spent a great deal of time thinking
about this, but I reckon the benefit of the tart
apple over the sweet apples. The tart apple is quite
a tidy snack. So you eat it and you end
up you can, like you if you're prepared to go

(18:40):
core and all, which is what I'm into. Like, you know,
waste not, want not kind of thing. Eat the whole thing.
You're just left with that little stick at the end,
and you haven't even got anything on your hands. But
you eat yourself one of those sweet apples, and you've
got sticky hands because they seem to This is just
I mean, I'm just I'm reaching back into the recesses
of my mind, but I feel like the sweet apples
are juicy, are kind of sticky, messier thing, which is

(19:01):
like not really what you want out.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Of an apple.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
You eat the core, absolutely, I eat the core. Don't
you eat the core?

Speaker 18 (19:06):
Not the seeds, I hope.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, the seeds, Yeah, just swallow them, swallow them home.

Speaker 18 (19:10):
You know that's what they make IDT.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, but I also know that they come encased in
their own little protective barrier. It's like a little seed condom,
isn't it, and you pop that, don't worry about it, just.

Speaker 18 (19:21):
So you eat the seed condom. Really making it sound epotatic.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It's a a bit of fire before year, which you need.
I don't know that the Reserve Bank governor did enough
yesterday to talk down the wholesale interest rates. We were
looking for this because of course this was everybody who's like,
this was your first chance. Can you talk it down
because the wholesale rates are going up? Westpac pushed it up.
She basically said, look, we might cut some more next year,
but didn't sound super convincing, didn't tell the markets off

(19:44):
for overreacting. So I don't think that there are a
lot of lines to read between there it's got to
Italy next nineteen away from seven the.

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We are getting the first this kind of glimpse of
the first idea of how that band has gone in
Australia one day on. So i'll run you through that
shortly right now called at to seven and Joe mckinna
our easily correspondents with us. Morning Joe, Good morning Heather.
How'd that meeting between Maloney and Zelenski go?

Speaker 15 (21:15):
Well, it was a very interesting meeting, of course, because
it's been such a big week for Zelensky after this
proposed peace plan from the US. He's been doing the
circuit in Europe. He met Prime Minister Kirs Starmer, French
President Emmanuel mccrol and the German Chancellor of Frederic Mertz
earlier this week, and of course a meeting with Georgia.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Maloney in Rome was next on the agenda.

Speaker 15 (21:36):
So she's very supportive. Of course, she's been very consistent
in about her message about maintaining pressure on Moscow to
come to the negotiating table in good faith, and that's
a message that she reaffirmed when she met Zelenski this
week yesterday.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
The Pope's got himself involved as well.

Speaker 15 (21:54):
Oh yeah, it's interesting, Heather to ce Pope Leo coming
out of himself a little bit more. He's as some
of the reporters who traveled with him on his recent
trip to Lebanon and Turkey said to me.

Speaker 19 (22:07):
This just this week.

Speaker 15 (22:07):
He's very shy, but he's coming out a lot more
and looking like a voice of opposition, particularly to the
US President Donald Trump. He's been doing off the cuff
comments saying he he wants a peace agreement and suggesting
that without including Europe in these talks is unrealistic. So
he doesn't really want to see Trump sidelining the European leaders.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
How are you guys feeling about the unice GO thing
must be absolutely phizzic.

Speaker 15 (22:36):
Well, Italy is terribly excited, as you can imagine. One
thing that Italians agree on is their cuisine and how
good it is. And now UNESCO for the first time
has recognized Italian cuisine, the first country to be recognized
for its cuisine, and that includes everything from pastor to
parmesan to wine to terramasou all those things we love.

(22:57):
And that means that Italy will be include on the
list of what they call intangible Cultural Heritage assets.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Fantastic. I mean, what does that even mean? Does it
lead to anything or is it just one of those
ones we go that you're awesome, ba's it look?

Speaker 20 (23:12):
I think it is.

Speaker 15 (23:13):
And usially, of course has many many monuments around fifty
I think on the UNISCO Cultural Protection Patrimony list. So
this is another thing to add that they're very proud of.
And the Prime Minister, of course has been already telling
the world how proud she is of the country.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I can quite imagine. Now, listen, Joe, is this thing
real about this guy who was running away from the
cops and the imposed as a ship? It in a
real life Nativity scene?

Speaker 15 (23:37):
I know it sounds strange, and we know that usually
loves the Nativity scene. There are hundreds of them at
this time of year across the country, in all shapes
and sizes. There are some that use what they call,
you know, life size figures. There are some that actually
incorporate real people and in fact, in this case, a
Ghanian man was hiding himself inside a Nativity scene amid

(24:01):
these life sized characters, until he was spotted by the
local mayor, who thought, gee, that guy looks like a
real person.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
But he did he just come? Was he already pre
prepared in shepherd's gear? Or did he just what was
going on there?

Speaker 6 (24:15):
Well?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I have to admit he looked homeless.

Speaker 15 (24:17):
He's a fugitive. He'd been convicted in northern Italy of
assault and resisting a public official and got himself a
sentence and fled to southern Italy, and that's where he
was hiding in full sight.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Brilliant. I love it looks homeless, Joe, thank you very much,
appreciate it. Joe McKenna easily correspondent here. Why is what
the Pope thinks or says of any consequence? Well, hang
on a tech here, leader of the Christian world. Surely
you'd have to well, I mean, wouldn't you say that?
Like even the old protties nowadays have a look at
the Pope and go he's all right, don't they? Okay?

(24:56):
So well, one day on from the social media ban
in Australia and it looks I mean, I think if
you had to sum it up, you'd say probably looks
a little bit messy because some kids have different like
loads of kids have been taken off, some kids completely unaffected,
as if they're rolling around like the twenty years old,
and some are gloating that they're able to pass the
facial scanning and then continue to pose as over sixteen

(25:17):
year old by for example, scanning their forty six year
old mother's face things like as a question about parents
at parenting there. But anyway, a reporter at the Sydney
Morning Herald had a bit of a crack at it
himself to see how it went. So he went on
x Twitter, pretended to be fourteen and was blocked. But
when he changed his birth date to look like he
was thirty seven, he was allowed straight in, no questions asked.

(25:37):
So that's a pretty flimsy security system there. Instagram wouldn't
let him in when he said he was under sixteen.
Then he tried again, he changed it so he said
he was twenty eight. It let him in, but there
was a really long pause when accepting the terms and conditions,
which he thinks indicates the system may have actually been
running background checks and was satisfied that he was actually
what he said he was, which is over sixteen years old.

(25:58):
On Reddit, he said he was sick. Let him in
no questions. Asked again problematic tiktoks, he said he was
under sixteen, it blocked him. Then when he came back
and tried to say he was older, it wouldn't let
him set up a new account whatever his age was,
which indicates that his device or network address may have
been blacklisted after the first attempt. And then when he
went to Snapchat to try even though he said he
was older, it did the same thing blocked him, and

(26:20):
he thinks it's maybe because of the TikTok attempt. So
as you can see messy and yeah, some you'd have
to say probably not trying hard enough. Ten away from
seven Heather.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Dou plus Y Allen on the mic Asking Breakfast where
the Defender and news togs hea'd be.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I got some good numbers for you, some good tourism
numbers for you. The visitor arrivals are going up to
the extent that we are now about ninety six and
a half percent away from pre COVID levels, and you
have to be happy about that. Chinese still really really low,
like really low. Ozzie's holding it up. Grant Webster, who
is the CEO of Tourism Holdings, will be with us
after seven and talk us through that I actually should

(26:57):
have said after seven o'clock. We're also going to talk
to Carl Bates, who's the chap who was chairing the
select committee that had a look at whether we're going
to do the social media ban after Australia, and he
will give us his take on how long it's going
to take us to basically make up our minds. It's
six away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
All the inns are the outs, it's the fears with business.
Fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
So if the Trump administration doesn't think that the tariffs
affect Americans, they may want to ask small business owners
how they feel about it. The National Federation of Independent
Business's new report found that the number of small businesses
increasing their prices in November jump by an all time high.
Usually about thirteen percent of businesses raise their prices each month,
and November it was thirty four percent, the highest recording

(27:41):
since COVID, And over the next three months, thirty percent
of businesses say prices will absolutely be going up again,
and for those who reported lower profits. Twenty seven of
them blamed weaker sales, So there's your affordability hoax. I
suppose sixteen percent blamed rising material costs i e. The tariffs,
and twelve percent said it was labor costs going up.

(28:01):
So anyway, we'll see how long it takes. Sim speaking
of how long things take to realize. Now you heard
of Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban is He was on Dragon's Den.
If you ever watched it, you'll know the name. You'll
know who I'm talking about. He's a billionaire in the States.
He kind of for a little bit during the last
election flushed with the possibility of going into politics. Not
a huge fan of Donald Trump, to be fair. Not

(28:23):
a huge fan of the Democrats as well. And he's
owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team. Loves rugby, apparently
a huge fan of the old rugby. So he's going
to be he seems like a fascinating guy. Is going
to be with us after eight o'clock, So stay tuned
for that.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
If you like hearing about Kiwi's doing well in the world,
like I do, I was really pleased to read about
this as Color now as Color has just sold a
stake to a Sydney based private equity firm called Quadrant.
And this particular part of Quadrant that's put the money
into AS Color specializes in partnering with high growth companies
through minority stakes and they deal with big money at Quadrant,

(29:01):
right like. Other investments made by the fund include Canvas
and Allied People Management and EMM Consulting and Endgame Analytics,
and all of that funding totaled more than about very
close to one point two billion New Zealand dollars. Now
we don't know exactly officially how much they have bought
out of as Color, but the Australian Financial Review reckons
it's about twenty one percent and they've bought it from

(29:23):
I think it's Direct Capital or some other equity firm. Anyway,
as Color is actually an amazing story. It was founded
in Auckland in two thousand and five. It's got twenty
seven stores now across New Zealand, Australia, the United States,
United Kingdom and Europe, turnover of about half a billion dollars.
If you don't know as Color, you need to get
to know as Color because it's gonna change your life.

(29:43):
Because it's just you go in there, you don't you
don't have to fork out huge amounts of money, but
you walk out with decent gear, with like just the basics, right,
you know, basic black hat, basic black backpack, white T shirt,
gray shorts and gym gear that doesn't embarrass you, that
doesn't cost you, the socks, everything you could possibly want.
How good is that from a KeyWe company?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well done then, no fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Heather Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with al Vida,
Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News togs Head be good morning.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
One day on from Australia officially banning social media for
under sixteens, and the verdict is mixed. Plenty of kids
have been kicked off the old instan TikTok, but loads
are still on their happily browsing away back here. Our
parliament's given its interim verdict on whether we should do
the same in Carl Bates is the acting chair of
the Education and Workforce Select Committee and is with us
morning Carl, Good morning, Heather. How long are we going

(30:48):
to watch Australia before we make up our lines?

Speaker 14 (30:51):
So our final report is due early in the new year,
and so you will get a clear indication when that
comes out, as I say, earlier in the new year.
But at the state that's very clear from the majority
of members of the Committee that undertaking the band here
in Zama would be a good idea.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Okay, So will that final report when it comes out
actually say yes or no we should do it.

Speaker 14 (31:11):
So there are a couple of things the Committee has
already said it since we should do the band being
one of them, the introduction of an online regulator being another.
And then there were a number of points where the
Committee said these require further consideration and will provide some
final views in the final important what.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Do you think success in Australia looks like.

Speaker 14 (31:33):
So there's no doubt teenagers will get around it, as
you've been saying, just as they do buying alcohol and
driving when they don't have the right license. However, this
is about a culture shift I think, and the majority
of the Committee believe we need to do this now,
that we need to step up if.

Speaker 12 (31:51):
It's to ensure the.

Speaker 14 (31:53):
Internet is a safe place for our children.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, I mean, ultimately this will live die based on
whether you can get ACT support. How do you feel
about that because they don't sound like they love it.

Speaker 14 (32:03):
Well, not necessarily. Labor have said that they support restricting
online access for under sixteen year old So maybe next
time you have someone from Labor on the show, you'll
be able to ask them to stay. Are keen to
Pullcatch and Weed's members bill out of the biscuit to
now and get on with it?

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Fair point? Okay, Now, having looked into this as a
parent yourself, what have you come out of it more
concerned about? Is it the scrolling and what it does
to the kids on the social media or is it
the harassment and bullying that happens between them on these platforms.

Speaker 14 (32:34):
So I think when you look at what the committee did,
we went much wider than just the online social media
harm component. So we look at content, so the self
harm issues, the manipulation, We look at conduct, so the
sharing of information, sexteen newd step fas, all of that,
the contact stuff that you've been referring to, their cyberbullety,

(32:56):
bullying and harassment, and then also commerce that happens for
our teenagers as well, scams and gambling and these things.
And there are some pretty horroring stories that chain through
the selectivity process where parents are and individual shared their
experiences and I just want to shout out to them
for opening up and sharing their personal stories.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, listen, thank you very much, Carla, to appreciate your time.
That's Carl Bates, acting Chair of the Educational Workforce Committee
here that Martin Luther King told us we are morally
obligated to disobey bad law, and now banning under sixteen
year olds from learning media social media is certainly bad law,
and I will definitely be encouraging and helping my kids
to circumvent that law should be implemented in New Zealand.
But nuts, isn't it ten past seven?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Together? Duplessye? Ellen?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
More good news on the tourism front. Arrivals are up
six percent in the year to October, so we're getting
very close to three and a half million visitors, which
means we are now at ninety six and a half
percent of pre COVID levels, so tantalizingly close. Grant Webster
is the CEO of Tourism Holdings Limited.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Morning, Grant, good morning.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Are you heartened by what you're seeing?

Speaker 14 (33:59):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (33:59):
Very much?

Speaker 6 (33:59):
So?

Speaker 20 (34:00):
Yeah. Great for the economy, right, and good for all
the tourism industry.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, loads of Aussies coming over What is I mean,
that's basically a record. What is it that they're loving
over here?

Speaker 20 (34:09):
I think we are a cheap destination relative to America
and other locations at the moment, plus some very strong
marketing from Tourism Museum.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh so do you think it's that weird ad? I
can't remember what the ad was. Would you reckon that's
paying off?

Speaker 5 (34:26):
Is it?

Speaker 20 (34:28):
Yeah? Look, you spend in that market and you get
good airline capacity and watch what happens now.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
China still seems to be a little bit of a
problem and we're around about half pre COVID levels. Is
this just the new normal that we need to get
used to the Chinese and not going to come back
in those numbers.

Speaker 20 (34:46):
No, I don't think so. I think it's just a
matter of time. So it was a lot later start.
You know, we had a few things from these perspective
that we had changed in calendar twenty four. That's been
rectified by the government in twenty five. Latest change with
allowing Australia visas and certain situations to flow through for
Chinese makes a big difference. Table was a bigger lift

(35:07):
actually so I think I think we're on the right
track now for China and we'll get back there. The
numbers will get back there.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, how how some are looking for You guys are
busy as.

Speaker 20 (35:16):
Yeah, really busy. So New Zealand will be somewhere around
twenty percent up in revenue over the summer period.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Great, yeah, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I saw in the papers the other day you guys
are shutting down some manufacturing and Aussie and then you're
moving out over to Hamilton, which feels like the opposite
of what's happening in this country. So what's brought that off?

Speaker 20 (35:34):
I just mentioned before Ozzie's are coming here because we're
a cheaper destination where at the factors we're a cheaper
destination to manufacture, so our labor rate's a cheaper rents,
cheaper dot dot dot. So sad reality for Australian manufacturing. Unfortunately,
the right thing for us to do.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Grant Listen, thanks very much appreciated, Grant Webster, CEO of
Tourism Holdings Limited. It was the everyone must Go a campaign,
That's what it was. Thirteen parts together do for CLA.

Speaker 11 (36:02):
Okay, this business of.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
The principle spending money on trips overseas and trips to
Queenstown and adventure tourism. Stuff is getting uglier. The case
that's emerged today is the principle of Teppiner School in Mercer,
which is south of Auckland. Turns out that back in
twenty twenty three, the school paid for flights totally. I
think it was more than eleven thousand dollars slightly more

(36:25):
like eleven thousand, four hundred or something like that anyway,
and the school was paying for flights for his family
to go to Arotona. And the school says that it
did this on the understanding that they would be that
the school would be reimbursed at the time of an
audit being done on the school, which is in May
twenty twenty five, So two years later, none of the
funds had been repaid. Now the principal has defended himself

(36:50):
saying oh no, no, no, I've repaid it now, and
he's done this in a text message to media. The
trouble is the Board of trustees presiding member Mandy Gillett
did not respond to a request for comment, which means
that that account cannot be verified. So we're going to
have to take his word for it. But the more
I see of this, I mean, are you coming?

Speaker 8 (37:06):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Are you starting to wonder whether we're making a mistake
allowing school boards to sign off on sums like this,
because I'm just starting to I mean, this is not
a novel idea. We've talked about this for a while,
but I just wonder if this whole setup, if this
is showing that this is not the setup that we need.
We need some decent, like some proper people in there
approving funding, because clearly that's not happening. Fourteen past the Hi.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on I have Radio powered
by News Talks at be.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Actually I should have said on the subject of the
social media and where the ACT will support it, and
then also on what the heck we're going to do
about these principles and their spending. David Seymore is going
to be with us after half past seven. I was
also going to talk to us about moldy lunches obviously
at seventeen past seven. Now we have a new State
of Cancer and New Zealand report out this morning which
provides a snapshot of cancer control over the past five years,
and there's some good news here, which is that your

(37:56):
chance of surviving cancer is now up on what it
will twenty years ago. Doctor Chris Jackson is a professor
of oncology at the University of Otago in a practicing
medical oncologist and with us Hi Chris Jobby Heather. Now,
what's that down to our survivability? Is that better diagnosis
or better treatment?

Speaker 21 (38:13):
Well, the thing about cancer is it's not this one disease,
it's many. And again with cancer it's not just one thing,
it's many as well. So it's better prevention. So fewer
New Zealanders are smoking than ever before, which is great,
as earlier detection was, better screening programs, so now bow bowl,
breast in civial cancer, better treatments which are available, which
is fantastic. And so it's really many things along the

(38:35):
whole continuum. But saying that the system is better than
ever has been, which it is, and saying our survival
is better than it ever has been, which it is,
is fantastic. But you know, if you're someone who's on
a waiting list to be seen by specialists, or if
you're waiting on a chest, or if you're someone who's
trying to access a new cancer drag. It can still
be a pretty frustrating time.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, if there was one thing that you could change
in order to prevent cancer, what would it be.

Speaker 21 (39:01):
Yeah, well the number one twenty percent of all cancers
are related to smoking, twenty percent. So do you get
really smoking that you would cut the number of cancers
by twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
That is understood it, even though the numbers are so
small nowadays.

Speaker 21 (39:13):
Yeah, well it's probably gonna certainly there's going down, but
those people who've been smoking are still going to be
going through the system for a better amount of time.
The number the number two cause is a best teap.
So New Zealand's what the third most obese country in
the world now, I think, And we're seeing a rise
in some OBESEI related cancers now also, and I think
if we could fix that, there will be the other
big thing in terms of prevention. The other key thing,

(39:35):
which is a very New Zealand thing, is our love
affair with the sun. And as we come into summer months,
I think we have to reflect on the old flip
slop slapt thing. Australia has done the sun prevention thing
better than we have, and our skin cancer rates are
now hid in theirs.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, well I suppose, I mean you must, you must
be reasonably heartened them by the what the WI GOVI
is doing and the possibility that comes off patient next
year and we start getting the stuff for cheaper.

Speaker 21 (39:59):
Ye yes, yes, es I certainly think that that is
certainly going to be a big, big factor for a
lot of people. But still, you know, it's not really
the answer for everyone.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
No.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now, listen, the backlogs and the wait times, as you
mentioned before, are creating a headache.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
So what is going on here?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Is this getting better?

Speaker 3 (40:14):
On?

Speaker 21 (40:15):
Well, if you look at the numbers of people affected
by cancer, people reckon that we're going to have about
a fifty percent increase the numbers affected over the course
in next fifteen to twenty years. So we're getting older,
and as you get older, the numbers of cancers go
up and there's more of us, and our system is
not growing at the same pace as there So thirty
thousand people affected this year and in fifteen years time,

(40:36):
forty five thousand people set it's half as miny again,
which means half as many again skin surgeries, operations, procedures
and the like, And we're just not growing our system
at the same rate. And there's no doubt that the
politicians a checking the care that the health system, that's
for sure, but it's not going up at fifty percent
over the course the next fifteen years. So there's a
lot of work to do in terms of making sure
that we have the system right size.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Good stuff. Thank you so much, Chris appreciated, Doctor Chris Jackson,
Professor of Oncology, University of Otago. Here they read the principles.
I'm sorry, but that's stealing from your employer and as
far as I'm aware, that's against the law if you
actually have a look at the coverage. And by the way,
I've given you one example of a myriad examples out there.
But the Office of the Order to General does make
that point. They're like, this does seem to be possibly unlawful,

(41:17):
and this is unlawful, and that's unlawful. It's not their
job to chase it up. Someone's got to chase it up.
So we'll talk to David symore about that. Seven twenty one,
the Mike.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, call it by
News Talks EV.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Right now, it's seven twenty three. Now let's talk about
this Nicola Willis Ruth Richardson debate. Right, here's a challenge
to Nikola Willis. Do this debate this year, do it
next week. And the reason I'm saying that is because
I'm hearing that, having challenged Ruth Richardson to the debate,
Nichola Willis's office would now prefer to do it next year.
And I can understand why I'm in politically that's a
smart move because by next year, the momentum will be

(41:55):
gone and we'll all have moved on to other things,
and probably it will not get as big an audience
as if she was to do it next week, because
next week is a very big economic week, isn't it.
The government's opening its books. Ed looks like Nichola Willis
might be pushing out surplus again for the second time
in two years. And then we've got the GDP number,
and that's coming off the back of the Taxpayer's Union

(42:17):
campaign calling her out for her big spending, which is
kicked off today. So next week there were a whole
lot more energy around a debate and a whole lot
more interest in what she's got to say for herself. Now,
if it's pushed out to next year. I would read
this as the first sign of her losing courage, and
if I was cynical, which I am, I would read
it as the first side of them hoping in the
office that this will just fizzle out and die, because frankly,

(42:38):
it was a political mistake to challenge Ruth Richardson to
a debate. Ruth Richardson, for all of her faults, and
there are many, I would imagine that people think can
articulate all the problems with Nichola's big spending budgets and
debt gathering in a way that most members of the
media nowadays simply can't, which is to say, she will
mount a case that Nichola is spending too much money
and is taking us down exactly the same path of

(42:58):
economic trouble that Grant started us on, which I suspect
will convince a lot of voters when they sit down
and have a listen to it, they'll go, oh, yeah,
maybe we've got a problem here, and we do. We
have a problem when we have a government that promised
to cut spending and get us quote back on track,
and yet spends more money than Grant Robertson ever did,
Which was I watering in and of itself, and this
government will buy midnext year. Have taken on forty five

(43:20):
billion dollars worth of debt, which by then will account
for almost a quarter of our total debt. That is
how much debt they're racking up. This is a really
important debate, by the way, for Labour. Who wants to
poo poo and call it a flex it is not.
It is a very important debate because what is more
important for a government to do well than to run
the country's box. So next week, how about it?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Ever, Duper Clan, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
The only As Color fan cure to Heather. I'm glad
to hear that As Color are currently smashing it. I
was in their Wellington, Cuba Street store the other day.
The team were brilliant, incredibly friendly and helpful. Twenty five
percent off for five items at the same at the
time too. And that's that's like Briscoe's. You know how
Brisco's always has a sale at the weekend. They always
have twenty five percent off for five items, which I
also love. May they go from strength to strength. That's

(44:06):
from John here the As Color in the Westgate shop.
You get a fantastic view of the highly automated warehouse.
You can see the product retrieved from four story warehousing
and then chugging along multiple conveyor belts to the packing
section and not a human insight. It's fascinating. Worth a visit.
Imagine it's worth a visit for kids who are interested
in engineering, which actually, as it transpires, is exactly what's
going on. I think you might have just found something

(44:27):
that I'm going to be doing in the next lot
of school holidays. Now did you catch I'm fascinated by
the story that I caught yesterday about the Wye Cuttle
officer who was arresting the Numpties who were smearing the
custard on the Crown jewels in the Tower of London.
So what happened is this chap, his name is Senior
Constable Mark Strongman, was just on holiday in the UK
with his family and he went to the Tower of

(44:48):
London like you do when you're a tourist, and he
saw these four people who've now made global headlines. He
saw them throwing the custard on the display case. So
he walked up to them. He says, I introduced myself
informing them that I was arresting them for criminal behavior
and advising them of their rights, and they waited with them.
They were like, oh yeah, okay, and they waited until
the met officers arrived. Now immediately I thought when I

(45:09):
read that, was like, does Mark even have arresting powers
in the UK? He's a y catto cop. He's not sure.
He said, he took an oath to the crown, so
he figured my arrest procedures would stick. How good is that?
It's entirely possible that he bluffed the numpties and they
fell for it, So jokes on them. David Seymour next
used dogs that'd be jee.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Asking the questions others won't he the duplessy Allen on
the Mike asking breakfast. Were the defender embraced the impossible
news togs, they'd.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Be you need to meet Mark Cuban, who's going to billionaire?
Who's going to be with me after eight o'clock of
Dragon's Den and various other things he's done. He's after
rates right now. It is twenty three away from eight.
So the investigations the Maldi School lunch drama in christ
You is completed and raally it's not actually clear what
happened here, but the food safety guys still think the
most likely problem was food left over at the school

(46:14):
rather out of the fridge for the weekend. David Seymour
is the Associate Ministry of Education Morning David Hey Heather,
So what is the most likely thing that they think
here has happened.

Speaker 19 (46:25):
They think that at the.

Speaker 13 (46:27):
School there were some meals that had been delivered the
previous week. They were stored somewhere in the school, probably
in the cafeteria, and some of those old meals got
handed out with the new ones that had been delivered
that day. This is after Food Safety in New Zealand
have been to the school that have been all over
Compass like Kirash and the main thing they notice is

(46:48):
that on the day that the MOLDI lunches were handed out,
there were fifteen other schools that got them, but also
that there were many other parts of the Hartier Community
campus where the lunches were handed out and those ones
were fine. So it seems that it wasn't just one school,
It was one part of one school where there seemed

(47:09):
to be some lunches that were different from all the
other ones that day.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Okay, how is it though, that we can't prove this
is just a guess, right, We can't prove it totally.
Is there no paperwork? Is there nothing like this that
actually formally records what is going on?

Speaker 13 (47:24):
Well, I guess to really ever be absolutely certain about
what happened, you'd have to basically have a tracking device
on every single lunch.

Speaker 18 (47:32):
Now that's not viable, but we do.

Speaker 13 (47:35):
Have a scenario where in order to believe that it
was anything else, there'd have to be something extraordinary that
no one else can figure out. Whereas there's a completely
paucible explanation that the same lunch was served four days earlier.
This school had had a teacher only day, so hadn't

(47:56):
had any other lunches delivered, and it had a long
term practice of having several boxes that were kind of kept.

Speaker 18 (48:04):
Some lunches were put aside.

Speaker 13 (48:06):
In this cafeteria area where students were able to come
and get extras if they wanted to. Well, the few
of those turned out to have been there a bit
longer than they should have been.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Now listen on the subject of this exact school. I
see the school's got a bit of rap of a
bit of a rap over the knuckles for spending about
close to nineteen thousand dollars for the principal and the
senior leadership team to go to Queenstown and there was
no clear business purpose. Now what happens here? Are there
consequences for this kind of spending?

Speaker 13 (48:33):
Well, the government had a policy several years back before
the election of giving out these funds to select schools.
Whether that program continues and how it's managed, I'm sure
will be up to Erica Stanford. But I think the
point of this audit is that school communities can decide
what to make of their processes and management. Remember, we

(48:55):
have self governing schools through boards of trustees in New Zealand.
I guess people might start to ask themselves, look this
whole saga, it was unreasonable to have a principal who
was out in the media for a week when in reality,
Food Safety New Zealand completed their assessment within ten days,
which is lightning speed for most things that happen in government.

(49:18):
And if they were just open about what might have
been the possibility we could have waited till now, we
could have saved a week of dramas.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
This whole spending thing has come out because the order
to General has had a look at all the like
a whole bunch of schools. Really, it's not just this school.
The thing that occurred to me when I was reading
about it and listening to it was that I wonder
if the days of boards of trustees running schools actually
should be numbered, because we're just asking very ordinary people
to approve some reasonable spending. Do you think that it's

(49:46):
maybe an outdated idea, Well, there's.

Speaker 13 (49:50):
Long been an argument that that's what the Tomorrow's Schools model.
It started in nineteen eighty nine. It's got school boards
elected from the community running schoo There's a lot of
communities it actually works fantastically well. It doesn't seem to
work so well in some communities where they just don't
have the people to elect in it. So you know,

(50:11):
in a very I guess a high decile area it
seems to work quite well, and others it sometimes doesn't.
I mean, one reason I push charter schools is it
gives you a different model of governance, so you can
draw on different people, and that seems to work quite
well in a lot of places already. So look, you
can have that debate, but all I would say in
this particular instance, as I feel for the school community,

(50:35):
I feel for the students because frankly, you know, this
is an example where it would have been easier if
everyone just took a breath, said Okay, where did these
lunches come from? Keep an open mind, whereas I've had
to spend a week responding in the media to what
happened to twenty lunches.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Would you consider supporting any kind of social media ban
or restriction for under sixteens if it works an Aussie?

Speaker 13 (50:59):
Yeah, and I think the right thing to do is
to watch what happens in Australia. There are really good
reasons to think that it may not work. I mean,
one obvious one is what if kids end up doing
other stuff on the internet that could be worse than
these platforms that are being banned, or they sneak on
with VPNs and suddenly they're unwilling to talk to adults

(51:19):
about what they're experiencing because they think they're doing something naughty.
That's something that you should keep in mind. I think
that parents overwhelmingly are distressed and want someone to be
on their side and this battle to be safe online,
but a blunt tool that could make it worse is
not doing them a service.

Speaker 18 (51:36):
It's doing them and especially the children are disserviced.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Good stuff, wasn't David, Thanks very much for your time.
That's David Seymour, Associate Minister of Education. Seventeen away from eight.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talks that be.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Hi here that to use a high performance racing car analogy,
Nicholas challenge will be to demonstrate that grant spending on
the car was on fluffy dice and around the door
whilst the tires and the engine were being ignored. She
has to convince us that the money she is spending
is on fixing those tires and servicing that engine so
that the race car goes faster and starts winning races.
It's not always about how much you spend, it's about

(52:13):
where you spend it and what the return is on
your expenditure. Should be a really interesting debate, Tony. I
agree with you and thank you for that. Thirteen away
from eight. So yesterday I tried the chat GPT for
shopping as a shopping assistant, because this is apparently a
thing that everybody's doing at the moment. I don't know
if you're aware of this, and I was reading, I'm
basically telling you this to warn you off it. I

(52:33):
was reading The Economist yesterday and it had an article
and it was raving about how getting AI to do
your shopping is all the cool new things Christmas, and
it's like the second biggest thing that people use AI
for and it's just on the increase, blah blah blah whatever.
So I thought, Okay, well i'll give it. I'll give
it a bit of a hone. And where it becomes
really valuable is not in doing the stuff that you
could just do for yourself, but in finding you the

(52:55):
cheapest or finding you the one that will get to
you by next Wednesday or whatever. So I need to
buy my brother a present, so I decided, I don't
care if he knows this. I decided to get him
a golf shirt for Christmas. So I went to the
chat GPT and I typed into the chat GPT find
me a golf shirt size large that will arrive by
my house by next Wednesday. The first one, it suggested

(53:16):
fantastic price, so obviously went for the cheap one. First
one would arrive shipping date New Year's Day, so I
was like, you missed a crucial part. They mate, so
I started again. The second shirt it recommended to me
had all the sizes, but it didn't have large, so
again it felt so In the end, what I did
is I just I just gave up on it and
I went to golf wear house and I bought a shirt,
which is what I was going to do anyway. So

(53:36):
all I ended up doing was just wasting my time
with the chat GPT, which is you know it's supposed
to save the time. Anyway. I cannot tell you, like
something must be going wrong for me, because I would
say that the economists stats would be the right ones, right,
which is that it's like the second biggest use of AI.
I don't know what is going wrong for me. I'm
starting to think it may in fact be the chat

(53:57):
GPT that I'm using, because if I don't know, if
you use it, if you've read about it, it seems
to be getting dumber and dumber by the minute, and
so you know, it's basically at human levels. Now I'm
less like me talking to myself on chat GPT, so
it's getting dumber. So I think it's the problem. I think, actually,
if I was to use something else. I don't know,
maybe I do.

Speaker 18 (54:15):
They make the free one dumber, so people pay for the.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Opus and I'm using the free one. But that doesn't
seem like a fantastic business model because there are other
free ones like Gemini, Google, which I'm just going to
go to instead of paying. Right, So anyway, we'll see
how this only if you I don't know, if you've
tried it out, let me know how, because it might
it might be user error on my partner that I
don't know. I said to it gets to me by Wednesday,
and I didn't say where I am who knows, just

(54:39):
assumed it hither. Our son's partner is an Auckland policewoman
who's on leave on her oe in London, and she
apprehended an offender and put him in a headlock until
the local police were there and caught up on him. Amazing.
I guess it was instinct and training that took over.
And then she received a commendation from the London met
So that you go not the It just seems like
all our going over there are doing there because there's

(55:01):
a lot of crime in the UK, by the way,
so there's plenty for them to help out with eleven
Away from eight, Heather.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Dupa d Allen fon the My Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
real estate news.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Dog zib heither.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I just asked chat GPT, who's the number one news
tog ZB host, and it said you, what did I
tell you? It's literally getting dumber by the minute. Seven
away from eight. Now it is not hard to be
impressed with Zespre's ongoing innovation. Eight and they've got more
even to tell you about. They're now going to start
selling a new type of red Kiwi fruit to capitalize
on the success of the existing one. And Jason to
break is the CEO of Zespri and with us morning, Jason.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
Good morning, how are you.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I'm very well, thank you. Now, it sounds like the
difference with the Red eighty, which is the new one,
is that it harvests later than the Red nineteen, so
you can extend the selling window. Is that basically it?

Speaker 19 (55:45):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, so we're seeing your harvest later,
so we get a longer time that we've got product
available for our consumers in the market. Also, it's got
a larger sized profile, so that's a bigger piece of
fruit as well, which our consumers are asking for. So
there's some benefits of it, and it supports our existing
red category as well.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Why is it that the red doesn't keep very long?
Which is really the problem you're trying to solve.

Speaker 19 (56:10):
It's just a natural part of the throat, you know,
it's a short shelf life product, similar to what we
have with berries. But ultimately what we're looking at is how,
through either breeding but also new innovation, we can make
sure we get a longer period where that fruits in
front of our consumers.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And so when do you expect this is going to
hit the market.

Speaker 19 (56:29):
We will release license to growers through the course of
next year and it's likely to be another couple of
years after that, so you're talking about twenty twenty eight
before we have our first crop available to complement our
existing red variety.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Now, when listen, Jason, I have never ever seen a
red variety on the supermarket sheldon And in this country,
and it is entirely possible. It's just where I'm shopping.
But is it ever going to become and if it is,
when is it going to become kind of a normal
thing in New Zealand.

Speaker 19 (56:58):
Yeah, we do sell it in the New Yand and
actually a reasonable amount of fruit gets sold in New
Zealand for that it's a short product, so you're basically
looking around that late February early March fruit to sort
of the beginning of May. It's quite popular so often
it gets picked up pretty quickly and taken home. So look,
we're trying to grow more volume and it's part of

(57:20):
this decision as well as to have more volume come on,
so we've got more fruit available for consumers in New Zealand,
but also around the world.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Jason Glenn's been complaining he can't find actually any kiwi
fruit at the moment. What's going on.

Speaker 19 (57:33):
It's one of these things with a perishable product. Eventually
it runs out of time. So we harvest in March.
That fruit usually last till about November December, and then
we have to wait till the beginning of the next
season in March again. So there is a small period
of time here where we just don't have fruit available
because it's out of season.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
What do we replace it with? Jason, I mean, it's
the thing that helps you with your mood, It's the
thing that helps you with your pooh. It's the thing
that helps you with your sleep, So is there anything else?
What do you replace it with?

Speaker 19 (58:03):
Well, so what we're doing is actually looking how we
try and extend that for longer. So we are looking
at how we can breed fruit that will last longer.
We're looking at how we can have innovation that will
allow us to store that fruit for longer. We're trying
to tackle this problem for people around the world as actually,
how do we get kiwi fruit available every single day
of the year. So we're working on that and that's

(58:24):
also where we're growing offshore as well to try and
help our consumers around the world.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, brilliantly, really please to hear it, Jason, look after yourself,
have a good day. That's Jason to break the zespre
Ceo loving zespri At the moment, hither you and chat
GPT must be like dumb and dumber. That's what I
was saying. There's not much help if you're operating at
my level. Lord, Hither I always have and here's the tip. Okay,
this is what you need to do. This I think
might solve the problem. I always have to tell chat

(58:49):
GPT twice that it's not trying hard enough. Once I've
done that, it becomes really awesome. It's essentially to save money.
The first few results are basically just to Google, and
once it realized as it actually needs to kick its
proper brain into gear, then you're good. And this is
from somebody who actually pays for the products of there
you go, try doing that. I'm going to try it.

Speaker 18 (59:06):
I have noticed that that, like on the Jim and
I one at the bottom of it, it says, you know,
do a deeper dive on that, and I always think,
why didn't you just do that right from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Yeah, well this is go.

Speaker 18 (59:19):
Let's go pretty deep straight on and take it from there.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
You know what I'd like to see quantified is how
many trees I'm killing every single time I do it? Like,
how much of the planet am I ruining? Because maybe
that's why we're not doing a deeper dive straight up now,
Mark Cuban, I'm not going to lie to you. You're
gonna want to marry him because this guy is like
I want to marry him, and I'm married. He is charming,
he is wonderful. If somebody pointed out to me, it's

(59:42):
not what's it called shark Tank, It's not Dragon's Den,
it's the other one. It's the Shark Tank that he
was on. But do you know what we've been talking
I'll tell you what we've been talking about rugby in
this country and how boring it is and how rubbish
it is, and how sport's not making money. So I
think we've got to ask him, because he turned the
Mavericks around the basketball team amazingly, ask him what he
thinks we could do here. News Talks hed B's with
us next under the Middle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Mission Opinionated, informed, unapologetic. Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mike
Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real estate differently.
Since nineteen seventy three, news togs had been.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Cept pass state. Let me introduce you to Mark Cuban,
the US billionaire businessman has his hands in all sorts
of pies, tech, media, health, insurance, the NBA, and more
recently politics now. He got his first major start with
the media company Broadcast dot Com, that he sold to
Yahoo for five point seven billion US dollars worth of
stock in nineteen ninety nine. The next year, he'd get
into the NBA bought the Dallas Mavericks for two hundred

(01:00:49):
and eighty mil USD sold a majority stake of the
team late twenty twenty three for three point five billion,
and he's been one of the faces of Sharks to
a Shark tank for more than a decade, and when
the Dems were struggling for identity after the Trump domination,
he was touted as a potential front runner for them,
but he's ruled out a run for twenty twenty eight. Now,
Mark cubans with us. Mike, it's great to have you
on the show.

Speaker 6 (01:01:09):
Yeah, my pleasure, Heather, But I got to show you
what I'm wearing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Got to represent lovely all Black's jusey. Where'd you get
your hands on that?

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
I forgot where I got. I've been a rugby player
fan since I've been eighteen years old, so I've got
a little collection of jerseys from all over the place. Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, look you are you are actually something of that,
not just an ordinary fan, You something of an authority
on sports. So give me your take on rugby, because
we have been discussing this on the show this week.
Is rugby boring?

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
No? Fifteenth? No, No, are you kidding me? I love
after basketball, It's my second favorite sport. I love fifteens
Stevens can be a little bit boring, right because it's
a bunch of little guys just running around all the time.
Like rugby to me, you gotta have impact, you gotta
have scrums, you got it? Like, yeah, I mean, Devin,

(01:01:58):
I'm not as big a fan of because I was
never fit enough to be good at it, But yeah,
I love fifteens.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I see. I find that fascinating because the debate
that we're having at the moments in New Zealand, and
I suppose in a lot of rugby countries, is actually
that rugby league is this wonderful and fast spectacle, whether
whereas rugby is so slow down by the rules and
yet thumbs down from.

Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
You yeah Union all the way, Like what do they
like about league that they think is better?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's faster, whereas you know, it's a much more free
flowing game, whereas rugby is really defensive, right, it's not
in attacking game. So you get the ball and you
go into a scrumming and you get down onto the ground.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
No, I can see that. I can see that. But
I guess league reminds me too much of football where
you stop and then go and then you know th
American football.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Okay, then I need to borrow your brain for this,
because you famously turned around the Dallas Mavericks when you
bought it.

Speaker 16 (01:02:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
So rugby is in a really difficult, precarious position where
it's just not making money. What would you do to
save it?

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
It's hard, right, I mean in the US it's it's
a mess. But you know, I don't know, honestly, I
don't know the economics of rugby in New Zealand or
Australia were some of the bigger, the bigger rugby countries.
But it's you've got to make it more fun, not
so much on the on the pitch, right, but in

(01:03:15):
the in the stands, because most people like it was
the same way with basketball. When I got to the MAVs,
the people that were at the NBA thought it was
all about basketball, squeaking, sneakers, you know who had the
purest jump shots. But I was like, you don't even
remember the score of the last game you went to.
You know, you remember who you were with, you remember
your buddy that got drunk, you remember the first date.

(01:03:38):
And I think rugby is fun, but it's not. It's
not as much a spectacle when you go to go
to a match, right, you know it's outdoors and it's
just a just a different environment now, you know, like
soccer football. You know you get the singing and the
fandom and all that. But you know, but that's the

(01:04:00):
way it is all the time. It's pretty much the
same all the time in my experiences. Right, You've got
to make it different otherwise you just get the purists
that have been going for fifty years that don't want
to see it changed. And that's what happened to basketball,
where nobody wanted to change. The same thing happened with
American baseball, which is boring as shit, right, but they

(01:04:22):
sped it up and it made it so it's more
of a party in going to the game, so it
was quicker. You know, there's nothing wrong with changing the
rules in rugby two right to make it quicker, to
turn things around.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
You know they went through where you can lift, like
when I played the way back when you couldn't lift
somebody in the line out. They make changes, right they
you know, substitutions you couldn't substitute. You know, we've changed
the game before. You need to change it to make
it quicker. But you also need to make the environment
where fans are going not repetitive all the time. I mean,
we Americans look at soccer and rugby overseas and say

(01:05:00):
wow that you know, the commitment to the team is incredible.
But as an entrepreneur, I look in and say, it's
the same shit every game. Yeah, you know, maybe somebody
gets a little drunker and changes the words to a song,
or maybe a bunch of crazies come up with something
a little bit different, but that's not organized from from
the whole squad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
So Mike you, I mean you've just basically hit all
the complaints right You've nailed all of the problems right there.
I mean you've literally explained how to fix. It's like
you're in my head. So when you finished with whatever
it is that you're doing at the moment in America,
can you just come over here and run rugby if
you don't mind.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
I wish I could figure out American rugby because I
love the sport, but it's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Listen, hang on a tech mark. I want to take
a break, but I want to come back and talk
to you about politics.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Twelve past eight, The mic Husking Breakfast full show podcast
on iHeartRadio, call it by News Talk Zippy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Right, it's quarter past back with Mark Cuban. Mark, tell
me the thing. The latest thing I see popping up
from you is that you guys are trying to get
Trump to cut Yeah, bit of a bit of a
break on the drug fees. How's it going.

Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
It's going great. I mean, you know, it's not like
you know, New Zealand and most other countries we like
in the United States, when you go to go to
a doctor and you get a prescription for a drug,
the only question they really asked you is what pharmacy
do you use? You have no idea what it costs,
and you know, you have no idea what you're going
to pay. And so we changed. We created this company

(01:06:21):
called costplus Drugs dot Com so that when you go
to this website, you know exactly what you're going to
pay for your medications. And just doing that was a
game changer for the entire country. So that's been going great.
We were up into the right, you know, and so
people we keep on growing every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And so how are you finding I mean, you basically
need Donald Trump to cut the fees right, the drug
manufacturing fees.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Yeah, that's yeah, for us to grow bigger.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yeah, Okay, I mean let's say that he did it.
Let's say that you actually managed to stop manufacturing when
these drugs come off Payton. Is that actually a viable
thing to do in the States? Like, can you really
fulfill this?

Speaker 20 (01:06:54):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Do you think I would start a business that wouldn't
be viable?

Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, I do think that Donald Trump would come up
with an idea like that would totally be beat shit.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
Yeah, well that's a whole nother conversation, right, But yeah,
we're we've got new We've got ways that we can
make drugs using AI and robotics that have cut the
costs dramatically, and so we can get there and save
a lot a lot of people a lot of money.
But it takes a little help because of all the
fees they charge.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Listen, Mike, give me you will take on Donald Trump.
What's he up to? Is he just there to make money?

Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
Maybe?

Speaker 6 (01:07:30):
Yeah, I would argue with that. I've known him for
twenty five years and he's always been this way, right.
You know, he's a business guy that just wants to
make as much money as he can, and that's just
never changed when he got in office. You know, there's
some things that are good and somethings that are bad,
like anybody, but that's him. It's all about the dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Now, I see you, fluis it a little bit with
getting into politics? Why did you decide not to do it?

Speaker 6 (01:07:55):
Because I'm not an idiot and I'm not an asshole,
and you know, I just think it. An entrepreneur, I
can do more by starting companies that have an impact,
like costplus Drugs. You know, I truly think I could
change American health care and that's a better mission for me.
I'm just not the political type. I just don't have

(01:08:15):
the patience, you know, and plus like I'd rather sing
rugby songs after a match and do stupid shit and
you know, and not have you can't do that and
be a politician.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
So You've had a little bit to do with both
the Republicans and the Democrats, and I mean you even
toyed with bang an Independent for a bit. The impression
that I got from you is that you just found
them all really profoundly disappointing on both sides.

Speaker 17 (01:08:37):
Is that fair?

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Oh? Yeah, for sure. I mean, if it were up
to me, I'd get rid of both parties in the
United States, I'm an independent. I think for myself, it
really depends on each individual issue. I'm not gonna, you know, prejudge.
I'm not gonna say, well, I'm a Republican. I got
to think this way or that way. I just you know,
I'm an entrepreneur. I just look at things. That's you know,
can we solve this problem or can we not?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Okay, so you business head on, and I suppose just
your life head on as well. AI obviously a game change,
but how much of a game change do you think.

Speaker 6 (01:09:07):
More than you think? More so than you think from
a business perspective, whether you're in New Zealand or the States,
there's going to be two types of companies, those who
are great at AI and those who went out of
business because they didn't do shit with AI. That's how
big an impact it's going to be. And for kids,
it's a great democratizer for education and really not just

(01:09:28):
for kids, for everybody. Like three years ago before it
started becoming popular, like you would go to Google and
your search engine and you put something in and you'd
see fifteen links and you'd have to figure out which
ones are real and which ones are bullshit and go
through that right with AI. It kind of goes through
them all for you and saves you all that time,

(01:09:50):
which is like having access to all the world's greatest libraries,
every professor, every expert. And that doesn't mean it's going
to be right every time, because even the experts are wrong,
but it allows you because there's more than one. You
can go into chat cheapt, you can go into Perplexity,
you can go into Claude, you can go into Grok,
you can go into Gemini and get feedback from each

(01:10:12):
one of them, which is like getting feedback from a
bunch of experts and then make your own decisions, you know.
I think if it's if for any kid, adult, whoever
that's curious, it's like incredible. I love it, right, I
use it, you know. And in business it's like so
it's like you can ask a question. It's weird sometimes
because I ask you a question that I normally won't

(01:10:34):
ask anybody, but like I'm like, shit, why not ask it?
And it comes back with good answers like I had.
I was talking to all these politicians in the US
right and it was the governor's meeting all the fifty states,
and they changed what they wanted to talk to me
about it last minute while I was in the green room,
where they said, okay, we also want you to talk
about AI for school kids. Right, I'm like, I didn't

(01:10:56):
know shit about AI for school kids. So I go
into chat cheap, give me your ten best ideas of
using artificial intelligence for kids from you know, five years
old to eighteen years old. And they gave me these
phenomenal ideas, just phenomenal. I went and I just spit
them out, and everybody thought I was smart. You know,
it was great, even though I didn't know what the

(01:11:17):
hell I was talking about ten minutes before. You know,
you can get information now. It doesn't mean it's perfect.
It's going to hallucinate and make mistakes, but you have
that ability to ask the same question of more than
one to compare the output. So I'm a huge fan
of AI.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Oh brilliant. Listen, Mike. I'm just clean out of time now.
But it's been such a bloody delight to talk to you,
and you filled my cup with optimism for the world.

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
So thank you, thank you. I really appreciate it. And
you know, I got a root for the Eagles, but
you know my second favorite team, the All Blacks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
All good on ye, Hey, you have yourself a lovely day,
and thank you again for your time. That is Mike Cuban.
I don't know if you called it a fan of
the Oul Blacks Height twenty one.

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I don't care how or on what capacity we need

(01:13:02):
his drive and optimism. Cheers Rod here. That can you
ask Mark if he can come and fix the New Zealand? Lol?
Do you know what though? I mean? I feel like
the man that he feels like the kind of guy
who you could get to fix just about anything, like
the infrastructure problems in this country can come and fix
in New Zealand. He can come and fix transpower, he
can cut to everything energy, just everything here, the get
in line. I'm going to marry him first. We'll have

(01:13:24):
a fight about that. And apparently he's bang on with
he's bang on with the rugby. Just what we need
is more fun. Do you remember the rugby sevens? Everybody
loved it, everybody went along. It was super fun and
then of course too much fun, so we shut it down.
The Fed, by the way, if you haven't caught the news,
the Fed has cut the rate twenty five basis point
has sort of indicated that this may be the end.
There's a reluctance to ease any further. I'm sure that'll

(01:13:47):
get get upicked throughout the day here on news talk
zed Beat. Now it appears that there is a fight
that is brewing about conservation land. This has kind of
been signaled for a little while now that the government's
going to offload a whole bunch of conserve land. It's
really more Stewardshipland, which is on the West coast, which
has been Stewartshipland. Is a funny little thing because it's
been in there for a little while since the Conservation

(01:14:10):
Department was set up in nineteen eighty seven. No one's
really known what to do with it, so it's just
kind of sat there. So today Tama Putuck are the
Conservation Minister is going to announce that he's getting he's
going to tidy this up. Eighty percent is going to
be added to National park or conservation parks. Other parcels, though,
are going to be disposed of, like you know, sold,
I'm assuming sold. Some of it's got a lot of

(01:14:30):
mining potential, but some of it's going to be transferred
to EWE and a portion has been allocated in Lake
Tahoo and this is upset New Zealand first because they
don't like the idea of just giving a whole bunch
of land in Night Tahoo. Because of that, Tama Pautuck
is basically going to try to get around the full
cabinet process, so he doesn't want to have a fight
with him. He doesn't want to have them stop this,
so he's going to go via Ordering Council, which is

(01:14:51):
very muldooney and that's made Winnip even more angry as
you can imagine. We're off to the UK next broad
Little News tog.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Zby Credible compelling The breakfast show You Can't Best It's
Hither Duplessy Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a

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Vita Retirement Communities Life, Your way news togs Head.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Be the surcharge ban. If you were hoping for the
surcharge ban, I have got some bad news for you.
It looks like it might not happen. I personally, I
am happy about this because the surcharge band was never
going to do the thing that we thought it was
going to do, which will save us money. It was
just going to bury that that surcharge in the price
of the thing that you're trying to buy. But it
looks like ACT may not vote for it in its
current form, which is just a blanket ban because the

(01:15:44):
Consumer Affairs spokesperson Dr Palmje Palmer was asked about this
and said the bill will have its next reading in
the new year and maybe the government should consider the
feedback because she sort of which is a hint I suppose,
but also new development because we kind of knew that
about it about ACTS. But the new development is that
New Zealand First is now noticing noting the concern raised

(01:16:05):
by businesses and retailers, so might not get that searcharge
ban after all. Twenty two away from.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Nine international correspondents with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
You k correspondent Rod Little as it us.

Speaker 17 (01:16:18):
Hi, Hi Rod, Hey, good morning. How you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I'm very well, thank you. And it looks like the
junior doctor strike might be averted.

Speaker 17 (01:16:26):
Well it might be yes, by I think of the
fact that the government will give in to them. The
junior doctors, or as they're now known, resident doctors, and
they're just doctors basically who work in hospitals, have been
looking for a thirty percent pay rise, as have I incidentally, Heather,

(01:16:46):
but with no luck whatsoever from anybody. But in the
public sector you could ask for that, and who knows,
you might well get it. They've already been given pay rises,
but they've been asking for thirty percent and said if
they're not, they're going to have a five day strike
right in the middle of the busiest and most crucial
time for their health service of the year, which is

(01:17:07):
round about Christmas. Now where Streeting has said that he
has improved and offer to resident doctors. We're going to
increase the number of places for early career that early
career doctors could apply to, and they're going to be
given preference overseas doctors. And there will also, as you

(01:17:28):
would guess, be some shifting in the pay skills. So
if they do manage to avert this strike, that is
undoubtedly a good thing for the government. What it may
do further down the line is set a benchmark on
pay deals which the government is going to have to
follow or face more and more trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
I just wonder if they thought this through with the
prioritizing of the UK doctors, because apparently there's this intense
competition for these roles that promote them up.

Speaker 14 (01:17:55):
But if you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Prioritize the UK doctors over foreign doctors, it makes the
whole thing's appealing for a foreign doctor to come and
that's what you people needed the in ages.

Speaker 17 (01:18:05):
Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. And your suggestion is
have they thought it through. I wouldn't have thought so
for a moment. It's something which plays a lot to
the gallery here, which is prioritizing British workers over overseas
workers when in the long run we do have to
do that. But you know, if it leads to a
crisis in the health service with people from India, Singapore

(01:18:29):
and South Korea not coming here as they used to do,
then that would be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Sure, yeah, I'd imagine. So now Sharon Davies Peer.

Speaker 17 (01:18:36):
Now yeah, renominated disappear in this year's list. She will
take up her role next August. She's a swimmer. She
won a silver medal in nineteen eighty at the I
think the Moscow Olympics, wasn't it nineteen eighty and as
one of various Commonwealth medals. But really her honor has

(01:19:02):
come as the consequence of being a doubty fighter, as
a gender critical feminist protecting women's spaces in sport. And
this is what I think is interesting. I mean, she
has undoubtedly taken an awful, one of the most hideous
abuse from the more extreme wings of the trans lobby,

(01:19:23):
and she has fought for her corner four years. I
don't think she would have been made a baroness four
years ago. You know, I think time time has really shifted,
that the mood has shifted on this issue, and the
idea that the most vocal, with the possible exception of
JK Rowling, the most vocal objection to trans ideology from

(01:19:48):
a woman, could be elevated to the House of Lords
is quite remarkable this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Yeah, I think this is a point that you made
earlier this week, and I think you bang on, Rod,
thank you so much. Enjoy yourself. That's Rod Littlaure UK correspondent.
It is quite remarkable, don't you think how the debate
on trans issues has shifted, as Rod says, just in
the last few years with the Cast report and even
even you know, our government moving on banning the old
what are their puberty blockers for the kids. I've got
a couple of pieces of retail news for you. So

(01:20:15):
the first one is, Lord, did we fizz for the Ike?
Like we have bought so much Ike? We've actually overwhelmed them.
So they say they cannot actually keep up with the orders.
Their operations now are taking longer than anticipated to meet
the orders. They're learning quickly and adapting the operations to
meet this incredible level of demand. And if you have

(01:20:35):
placed an order, they're going to sort it out in
the next few days, so hopefully before Christmas, if you
need it before Christmas, although I mean, who buys a
bookshelf right for someone for Christmas? It's probably just for you.
The other one is faradays now, I don't know if
you've kept across this well, I'm getting really pumped about.
I don't even like going to a department store necessarily
as slightly overwhelming, but I'm getting really pumped about this thing.

(01:20:55):
This is the one that's opening at one three to
one Queen Street, which is an Auckland which is a
heritage listed building. So it's a beautiful building. And they've
released some of the concepts of what they're going to
do and then a couple of pictures of what the
design is going to look like because the construction has
started and it looks great. So they're going to have
the luxury and the local goods. They're going to have
a peril home where beauty instare, dining, valet parking, regular

(01:21:18):
store events, activations. The central feature is going to be
something like a like a spiral staircase, which is you know,
a bit bougie and spending a bit of dollars on this,
isn't it. What they're doing is that kind of that.
They've got the architects doing it. The architects are trying
to take the heritage idea and then put it into
it like a bit of a modern a modern vibe.
But when you I mean, the question that I asked

(01:21:41):
when I first heard that this was opening was well,
why are you opening on Queen Street when there have
been There was was Smith and Coe's you know, didn't
work on Queen Street and the ennul bunch of department
stores have closed down. Is this a smart idea? But
it seems that what they're going to do differently is
give you attention. It's going to be customer service. Is
that that's what they think is missing in all the
other departments by the looks of things. So the minute

(01:22:01):
you walk in with your bulging pockets and your Louis
Verton bag full of dollars that you're not waiting around
that the Hello.

Speaker 18 (01:22:09):
Are they going to have a greet? I like it
at the Disney Store.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
I think it's going to be exactly like the Disney Store,
very very similar. Yeah, what do you want? Where can
I take you?

Speaker 12 (01:22:17):
What can you?

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Probably even have a personal assistant? And this is this,
I mean think about this, all right, You and I
can just walk into as color, go wear the white
T shirt, Go get them sorted like mediums and whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
Buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
But if you've got loads of dollars that you're ready
to drop, I mean, you want to be treated like
a king and a queen. And that's what they're going
to do. Immediate service.

Speaker 18 (01:22:36):
So I'm punpihed like your AI shopping assistant, except real
and better has come gone from full circle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
That's right, thank you, Glenn sixteen away from Nome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
By News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
That'd be gosh, this is such a good suggestion. I
can't believe no one's thought of this at the school
lunch level. Heather. If you want to solve the problem
with the moldy school lunches, why don't we just put
a date on the school lunches. It's simple, Allan, you
should be running the school lunches. Thank you for that idea.
We will suggest it to them. By the way, I
don't think the school lunch thing is finished because I
think Peggy the principal's got to be in her bonnet

(01:23:14):
about it, and she might in fact be coming back
for David Seymour. So Lord, see where that goes. I've
been telling you the last few days about the Annaka
Wells big spend and keep the government Limo's waiting outside
the NRL for ten hours saga over in Australia, there
is a really weird side story that's just popped up
in this involving the media. So news dot com in Australia,

(01:23:37):
as in news dot com dot Au, which is owned
by News Corp, was the first one to break the
story about her, which is and where they started. The
things developed since then. But they started with one hundred
thousand dollars that she blew taxpayer money on a trip
to New York last Tuesday. Let me just think about that.
One hundred thousand dollars on a trip to New York.
Mental anyway, so obviously a story. So they pop it

(01:23:58):
up on news dot com dot com and then they
spike it a few hours later. So when you go
to click the link, and this is within the same day,
a few hours later you click the link, nothing, it's dead.
There's no story. But what had happened by then is
it had already been sent around by all the press gallery.
They've got a little in Australia and Camber, they've got
a little like messaging thing that they do with each other,
and about two hundred of them had already seen the story.

(01:24:21):
So the next morning, this is Wednesday, there's no link.
So t twogb just runs the story like it's new,
and it runs it as an exclusive basically copies the story,
pretends it's its own. Then everyone piles and and then
it becomes the massive yarn that it is over there
with the taxis beg kept waiting and all the events
and all the stuff. Then Friday evening, so fast forward
three days, three days after the initial news dot com

(01:24:43):
dot au story, they finally get into it again at
News Corp. They finally report it again for the first
time in The Daily Telegraph, another one of their publications.
But now they're going soft on the story that they
originally started. And on Sunday, a couple of days after that,
the Daily Telegraph's Weekend National Weekend political editor James Campbell
actually comes out in defense of Annika Wells, saying, layoff Anika.

(01:25:04):
She's done absolutely nothing wrong. So you, I mean, you'd
be fair enough to look at it and go, what
the hell has just happened here? You broke the story.
Now you're defending her. Now you're not running the original story.
What apparently happened behind the scenes is that an executive
saw the original story and pulled it offline. Because the
reason that Annaka Wells was in New York was to
promote the government's social media ban at the un and

(01:25:27):
NewsCorp are the ones who started calling for the social
media band, so she was just basically helping them with
the thing that they were campaigning on, and the executive
thought that having a crack at her for the trip
jarred with their advocacy for the band. And also when
she was in New York, she met with one of them,
and there are photos of the meeting with one of them.
So it all gets very very complicated. But the problem

(01:25:48):
that they've got is a problem that everybody's got around
the world. And this is not great. This erodes a
media trust, doesn't it. Because you're a taxpayer reading this,
you go, oh, look they're having a crack at Anaka
on now they're defending Anaka. What's going? Oh they actually
mates with Anaka, So thanks a lot. News dot com
dot au ten.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Two Heather du Pussy Allen on the mic asking Breakfast
were the defender and news togs dead b Heather, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
To answer my question actually, which I asked ages ago,
what do you if you because Glenn and I are
now in a difficult situation where we've been loving the
kiwifruit and the Kiwifruit is the superfruit that apparently, if
you eat that, your whole life is vastly improved and
you can sleep and do all the things function the
human functions that you need to do just so much better.
But now it's not on the shelf. So what do
you eat? Nectarines? Apparently now I don't know. I mean,

(01:26:34):
I suspect you are a nectarine grower pumping your own fruit,
texting me still, I'll give it a whoon. We'll come
back to it, see if it works or not. It
sticks away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Trending now Withers Warehouse the real house of fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
So America is completely and utterly in love with a
Florida sheriff right now. This is Polk Country Sheriff Grady Judd.

Speaker 19 (01:26:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
He did a press conference after eight members of a
youth NF bell team were arrested for stealing thousands of
dollars of sport equipment while at an away game, and
America is happy with his explanation of why and cracking
down on youth crime.

Speaker 7 (01:27:09):
So when we notify the coach who is responsible for them,
you would think he would be interested in holding them
accountable and responsible. Instead, he goes to the deputies and
begs them not to take these young men into custody.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Any similarities between him and the turnaround in youth crime here,
minds you. Judd also went viral a couple of months
ago when he said this.

Speaker 22 (01:27:32):
If you need to shoot somebody, shoot him a lot.
He plans on having a gun doing all the shooting,
and you're just the setting duck where the ducks need
to shoot back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Okay, so you can decide. I mean, you know, it's advice.
Everybody's got advice. You can decide for yourself whether you're
into that advice or not. I need to tell you
what's going on with I think this is my favorite
video of the day. I often find myself having a
favorite one. This one is what's happened to Elon Musk.
It's the robot demo mountdown. If you haven't looked at it,

(01:28:05):
I mean basically, what this is doing is it's calling
bs on all of Elon Musk's claims with Elon reckons,
the robots are going to take over and do all
of our jobs for us. Remember he had the one
where he had the what if they called the Optimist
or something like that. Yeah, Optimist, they had the robot
folding the washing and everybody was like, wow, that's amazing.
Oh well, it turns out it was actually remote controlled,

(01:28:26):
So nothing wow about that at all. It's when they
can do it by themselves that it matters. Anyway. So
on Saturday they had a bit of a demonstration at
the Tesla showroom and the robot was supposed to hand
out bottles of water, but all of a sudden, it
just fails to grab one, sort of jigs the table
a bit, knocks most of the bottles over. Then, in
a very weirdly human move, puts its hands to its

(01:28:48):
head and makes emotion resembling lifting a pair of goggles off,
and then crashes to the floor, which suggests yet again
that it may in fact be remote controlled. Because of course,
what would the human do if the human was sitting
there with one of those virtual reality headsets on and
things started to go awry and didn't work, what would
the human do. The human would put their hands to

(01:29:09):
their head and take the virtual headset off. So that's
what the robot was doing. So elon Musk, once again,
all the big talk not managing to deliver at the moment. Heather,
don't worry about the kiwikau. Is the Italian green kiwi's
on its way? Have you had a green kiwi from Italy?
Glenn I?

Speaker 18 (01:29:25):
The Kiwi fruit aren't actually for me. I'm not a
massive fan. I am the purchaser of groceries in our
house and they're in hot demand from other members of
the household.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Has your client had an Italian green kiwi?

Speaker 18 (01:29:38):
Probably because we'll take what we can get.

Speaker 16 (01:29:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I don't think you ever need Kiwi fruit that badly,
so I would say, don't buy the Italian green kiwi
because when we bought it must have been this time
last year. We bought it and then said, what the
hell has happened to Kiwi fruit? Why is this happening? Oh,
that's right, it's not from New Zealand.

Speaker 18 (01:29:58):
It is one of the things things've got pretty you
spread in the hothouse. We've gone to plumb cots.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
What's that?

Speaker 18 (01:30:05):
It's not a plummet's not an apricot. It's halfway over twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Okay, yeah, okay. I don't know what your problem is,
but you could probably shry a kiwi crush and that
will help you out there. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
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Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
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