Full Show Podcast: 15 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Asking the questions others won't.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mike asking breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life your Way, News Dogs head.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Be morning and welcome. You were waking up to sad
news out of Australia with two gunmen opening fire on
Bondi Beach last night. Twelve the dead, twenty nine are
injured too in pustody. We'll get you across that.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
We're going to talk to.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Murray Olds about it. After seven, Mark Mitchell, the Police
Minister on the drug driving tests starting in Wellington today,
the Prime Minister in the studio with us for the
last time this year. And then the commentary box talking sport.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
After eight Heather Duplessy Alan, Well, if you.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Were already feeling confident about twenty twenty six, I've got
two reasons that you should. At least two major retail
bank see signs of an economic recovery next year. And
we have a new Reserve Bank governor now. No pressure
on Anna Bremen, but she hasn't arrived a day too soon.
Given that the old lot we're still managing to stuff
things up until literally the last chance they had with
Christian hawksby saying whoopsie the wrong thing and then sending

(00:56):
the wholesale market rates and therefore the fixed term interest
rates up by thirty basis points now, to be fair
to him, he was only the fill in, And if
we're honest with ourselves, it's probably more hope than certainty
that the Swedish import will be any better than hawksby
and all. But then again you could argue it really
would be hard to be worse given the last four years.
But we're here for the good news at the moment,
he hear's the good news for you. The good news

(01:17):
is that Anna Bremen arriving as the new broom coincides
with ASP and now Keiwibank all saying it's on the
are seeing recovery signs for twenty twenty six. Kiwibanks call
arguably matters more than anyone out in any one others,
because these guys have been the gloomiest. They've been calling
for more rate cuts than the Reserve Bank was prepared for,
warning it was more grim out there than the Wellington
Bank has realized. And Kiwibank has been right consistently, so

(01:40):
here's hoping they're right again when they say sales are
already up, and when sales go up, everything else goes up.
House prices are up two to three percent next year.
The economy is growing two point four percent next year,
and then it's three percent the following year. Now, I
don't know about you, but that combo, a new person
in charge of the Central Bank and growing consensus that
the recovery is now on is probably the Christmas present.

(02:00):
I could have wished for.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
News of the world in ninety.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Seconds, right, So all eyes on bond I. This morning,
at least twelve a dead, twenty nine injured from the
terror attack on the Jewish community at a Hanookah event.
One of those dead is one of the shooters. The
other is in custody. Police are investigating whether there was
a third shooter or not. This person saw it all go.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Down as time.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
My best to yell and shout of them, just doc vedan,
you know, just hide tech cover.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
This woman saw it go down as well. She described
the panic of the moment.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
There were bullets all around me.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
All I can do is screaming, where's my family, Where's
my little girl?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Where's my little girl.

Speaker 7 (02:37):
I saw her dancing for a second and she was gone.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Actually had a police officer drag me out he was
shot in the head. Dramatic video has also gone viral
of a man who tackled and disarmed one of the shooters.
He has been named by seven News as a forty
three year old fruit shop owner named Ahmed. New South
Wales Premier Chrisman's pay tribute.

Speaker 7 (02:58):
It's the most unbelief seen I've ever seen a man
walking up to a gunman who had fired on the community.
Blat Man is a genuine hero and I've got no
doubt that there are many many people alive tonight as
a result of his bravery.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Australia's Intelligence agency said one of the shooters was actually
known to them.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
It's one of these individuals what's known to us, but
not in an immediate threat perspective, so obviously we need
to look into what happened here now.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Anthony Alberinezi, the Prime Minister, has promised to eradicate the
hate that's attached to the attack.

Speaker 8 (03:31):
An attack on Jewish Australians is an attack on every
Australian and every Australian tonight will be like me, devastated
on this attack on our way of life.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Now, on top of the shooting police reckon They also
found explosives in the Bondike Bondike car parks.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
As part of the investigation, and shortly after the shooting occurred,
police located a vehicle in Campbell Parade at Bondi which
we believe has several provised explosive devices. We have our
rescue bomb disposal unit there at the moment working on that.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Hey, we're going to take you to our our correspondence
in Australia throughout the morning for the latest updates. That's,
of course, news of the world in ninety seconds, just
in the last ten minutes or so. The New Zealand
Jewish Council has put out a statement says it's utterly
sickened and horrified by the mass shooting as families gathered
for the first night of the Jewish Festival of a
Festival of Hahnukah at Bondai Beach in Sydney. We do
not know all the details, but we are haunted by

(04:25):
the scenes we have seen in a place that is
familiar to and loved by so many of us. We
are in shock. We pray for the innocent victims of
the c atrocity. It's eleven past six.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
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Speaker 3 (04:45):
Look, you'll see this all the time, but I've got
another sign of climate alarmism calming down. I'm going to
run you through that shortly. It's fourteen past six. Gregg's
the Generators with us Morning, Greg, Morning, Heather, More green shoots,
How good?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Hey, how good? More good news, more green economic shoots.
So Kiwi's we opened our watts a bit wider in November.
Cards spinning up one point two percent. That was actually strong,
the most expecting for a few positive months as well,
so that's good. Strunglers together. Retail spinning one point sits
higher than a year ago. Fuel prices have been part
of it, but then if you stripped that out, we're

(05:20):
at one point one cen. So that's good. Black Friday here,
there's still relevant. We do like a bargain. It seems
durables jump two point one percent, apparel serves three point
four percent, but hospital bounced back. That's good news for
the industry. We're getting out And about conshumbles that picked
up still the strongest category over the year. That's I
suppose reflecting high food prices. But it was a good

(05:41):
news story and it was pretty broad so outside retail spinning, travel, health,
query services spen that was up almost four percent, and
also services we're going to get a print on that
today and that was up two point eight percent. So
I think overall it just looks like consumers are feeling
a little bit less squeezed. I suppose, with interest rates
coming down, more of that to feed through. Overall cards
spending at one point nine percent last month, one hundred

(06:04):
and eighty five million transactions, ten billion dollars, and I
think I suppose it's a good sign here that we
will want to see what it's like when you strip
out the Black Friday, Christmas and new sales effect, and
so we'll get a clear in on that in January
and ahead of the Benz decision, and obviously a new
person at the HELM as you point out, but yeah,
moll drates going lower as well, loans resetting. We've also

(06:26):
got a bit of Modesttroke god job growth to look
forward to, so twenty twenty six ring and the outlook
is quietly improving, and that's of course after a few years.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, we'll take that. And you've also got a little
bit of good news for the manufacturing sector we have as.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Well, so I suppose it's quite related, isn't it. This
is the Benz business usual on Performance of Manufacturing index,
so that held above the fifty level. That's expansionary territory
fifty one point four November. So it's not surging, but
the sector is quietly expanding. So if you look at
the core cells, they were down to touch, but there
is restarts at methodics and I said that was effected,

(07:01):
but you know, real bright spot and this is great
news for those I suppose job hunters and the like.
The PMI employment index jumped strongly. That's the biggest monthly
lift since twenty twenty one, so it seems firms might
be gearing up rather than winding down. That's pretty good
new orsay is a little bit, but also above fifty,
so you know, after a long stretch and contraction, we're
actually seeing a meaningful shift higher and just still so

(07:24):
as well for you computer to Australia, I think it's
also interesting as well. So we've matched the airpace and
given our deeper down to and it's a quite big
true we're coming off a load base, but that means
more upside and particularly as we get those rate cuts
feeding through, so the sector here that it's not roaring yet,
but we're looking like we're going to get a slow, steady,
durable recovery. And it's a gain that things looking better

(07:44):
than they have in a long time, which is great.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Then what happened to the tech sector on Friday?

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm wound a bit. So obviously, you know, lots
of some nervous around AI and it has sort of
kept going much of the year. But you had broad come.
They are big chip makers, so they actually beat on
earnings of chips. They are up seventy four percent, revenue
eighteen billion. But I suppose of what of the few
other releases is for some concern over what this is
all costing in thems of building server X and AI

(08:11):
systems and menationment. That's made the comment that AI demand
was a moving targets and that's disrected to that huge
backlogs I've got here there's seventy three billion. Just the
size of it disappointed, and they didn't say that becklog
was a minimum stock down eleven percent, and that's spread
across the AI sector. Just to be fair, though she
is are up fifty five percent. That's reflective, I suppose

(08:33):
of the run you've head but in video that was
lower AMD and just quickly a different mood over at
luluy Lemon yoga pants make it that was up ten percent. Upgrade.
It's full you're out. Look they're looking for in your
revenue of around about eleven billion dollars sales down three percent,
a bit bit of competition from upstarts there, but ages
going well sixty percent of sales. On the other side,

(08:54):
those years are down more than fifty percent this year,
so put that ten percent rise in context. But they've
got a new CEO might reignite innovation and shop in
the brand's direction. So let's wait and see there.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, listen, give me the numbers please, Greg.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yes, these P five hundred was down one point one percent,
and the Dow was down half percent, and Nastick down
one point seven percent. So yeah, obviously mainly due to
that tech reaction. Foot Sea was down point six percent.
Better news for the nick guy in Japan up one
point four percent, fifty eight three six a SX two
hundred and up one point two percent eighty six ninety seven.
We're up point one percent in fifty thirteen four zero six,

(09:31):
Camillie's gold up ninety dollars four and ninety nine and
ounce oil down sixteen cents fifty seven spot forty four
currencies Kee we fled against the US fifty eight point
one up a tear against the Australian dollar aty seven
point twenty five. Likewise, the bridge pound forty three point four,
Japanese yen ninety point five touch horrow as well. This
week you have lots going on locally. We've got that

(09:52):
services print today, food inflation half you can I make
update third quarter GDP consuming business confidence in another daria.
So let's look for some more green shoots. I'm sure
non fine perils in the US retail styles, inflation, housing,
dart ups, all feeding through now and we've got right decisions.
Speaking of that, in Europe and Japan earnings, we've got

(10:12):
a few big wigs as well, so Mike Cron and
the tech sector, FedEx and Nike.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Thank you so much. Greg, look after yourself, have a
nice day. That's Greg Smith from Generate Wealth and Key
we save a specialists. So the Tories have announced over
the weekend that they're going to scrap the ban on
petrol and diesel vehicles by twenty thirty. You'll be aware
of this, right that it was broad in. I think
it was actually Boris Johnson who brought it in, said
that's it, We're not going to have any of these
ice vehicles sold in the country. And then by twenty thirty,
which is five years away from now, they will scrap

(10:39):
it if they win the next election. What is interesting
about I mean, that's not altogether a surprise from the
Tories in the UK. But what's interesting is that apparently
this and this comes just a couple of days after
the EU has let it be known through the grapevine
that it's ban on the sale of the petrol and
the diesel vehicles, which is due to kick in in
ten years, and twenty thirty five is going to be
watered down as well. And if you're gonna say it,

(11:00):
between like, the EU is a whole lot wokier than
the Tories in the UK, So that's something more of
a surprise.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Six twenty The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio Power by the News Talks.

Speaker 9 (11:14):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Listen if you want to. I mean, the situation in
BONDI is just so grim, isn't it, and so sad.
But if you want to see the bright spot in it,
it is the video that I just mentioned earlier in
the News of the World. It's worth going and looking
at this because it gives you like you will not
appreciate how brave the sky is until you actually see
what he did. So this is the chap Ahmed who
was running the local fruit shop. You see that. You

(11:37):
see the shooters standing on the pavement and just firing shots.
The fruit shop owner is hiding behind a car, checks
it out, sees it's clear to go, runs up behind
the shooter, grabs him from behind, wrestles the gun out
of his hands, turns the gun on the shooter, doesn't
pull the trigger. The shooter then sort of backs away,

(11:58):
you know it, gets up on his feet, backs away. Unfortunately.
He then heads back to where the other shooters, which
are standing on a little bridge there at packs up
a gun and carries on shooting. And it's it's not
very long, very long before he is taken down and
doesn't appear to have survived the day. But the fruit
shop owner will go down as being a bit of
a hero. And I think we can probably we can

(12:19):
probably say he's done a fair bit of good for
his community by having stepped in there as well. Anyway,
Murray Olds will be with us after seven and talk
us through the details. Prime ministers with us as per
usual on a Monday after half past seven, and one
thing we're going to have to raise with him is
what's going on in Auckland. Now, this is the really
the density thing, right, This is always going to cause
trouble and sure enough it is. This is Chris Bishop's

(12:41):
plans to increase the density in Auckland Plan one change
Plan Change one twenty is what it's called. So remember
that because that's going to be a thing. This is
this is basically going to lead to the building of
about two million extra houses in Auckland. Morris Williamson, former
cabinet minister, says this is going to cost you guys
votes at the elections, far too many houses. Even Simi

(13:01):
and Brown are spoken out against it. So we'll have
a chat to the Prime Minister and see whether he's
going to back away from that at all. Six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Trending now with him warehouse your home for Christmas shopping, so.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
An upcoming mood and mystery series is generating buzz for Netflix.
It's called His and Hers and it's about a journalist
and a detective investigating the death of a woman while
also investigating each other. They're also an estranged, married couple.

Speaker 10 (13:25):
We used to think that when bad things happened that
it was just random chaos, that bad things happen because
you bring them on yourself.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
Hadst wait attack of artber the true.

Speaker 11 (13:41):
You do it?

Speaker 12 (13:45):
Jeez? What was with that reporter?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's my wife.

Speaker 10 (13:49):
So you got these aspects stop persons of interest?

Speaker 9 (13:52):
Jeanne, how are you doing?

Speaker 11 (13:53):
You're doing good?

Speaker 12 (13:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Good, Jack, good good. It's really great to see you.

Speaker 13 (13:57):
I didn't hurt her, Anne.

Speaker 14 (13:59):
Do you know who?

Speaker 15 (14:01):
I didn't do it?

Speaker 10 (14:01):
If that's what you're asking. There are two sides.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
To every story.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So it stars John Burnethall and Tessa Thompson. And if
you got the Netflix, it's out on January eight. And
if you feel like you need to watch it and
need to get the Netflix, it's out on January eight. Now,
Principle of Auckland's Dio for Girls is finally calling it
quits after sixteen years in the job. There's a long
time to be doing it. And who would know the
education sector better than somebody who's been in the job

(14:32):
for sixteen years. Heather of a Cray and she will
be with us shortly and talk us through. You know
what I'd like to know from her? What does she
think is the biggest threat facing kids at the moment?
Because the aards of most of us as parents would go,
oh be the old social media's does she agree? She's
with us shortly?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Him helvenly, tough on power, sharp on insights, Heather Duplessy

(15:11):
Allen on the mic, asking breakfast with the Defender, embraced
the impossible news togs dead be How.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Good, by the way, was the news from King Charles
this weekend about his cancer? Because I'll tell you what
when when it was, it was sort of like pre announced.
But I don't know whether the Daily Mail was just
being a bit naughty, bit mischievous. But old King's about
to make a statement about his cancer. I thought, oh,
here we go, here we go. Oh, mate hasn't been
looking great lately, and Harry's been saying I don't know

(15:38):
how long my dad's got and so I prepared my
I think it was like Friday night that had have
I said to the husband. I said, oh, that's it.
King's about to say he's dying, went to bed, woke up. No,
he's not dying. He's just coming off the treatment can
be reduced in the new year. He's doing okay. So
that is very very happy news for him and his family.
And by the way, he's also put out a statement
on bond I says he's appalled and saddened by the

(15:59):
attack on the Jews community. And I've got more to
tell you about that, obviously, as the morning unfolded before
we get to Murray Olds after seven Right now, it's
twenty two away from seven. Signed for a bit of
an insight into our education sector from someone who knows
it best. The principle of Auckland's diocesan Girls School for
Girls are stepping down after more than sixteen years in
the job. Heather McCray came into education all the way

(16:21):
back in nineteen seventy eight and she's with us right now.
High Heather.

Speaker 16 (16:25):
Hi, Heather, butter'dly to see that you're filling in for
Mike Costkins.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Great job, Thank you very much. Nice to talk to
another Heather, but a sweet decision for you.

Speaker 16 (16:36):
Yes, it was a big decision, but that it is
the right one, and you know, I feel that there's
a time that schools need fresh eyes and a new
look at the world and having I did actually tell
the board when I first went there that I would
be there for five years. But after five years it
wasn't quite enough. And then after ten and twelve, well,

(16:58):
we had COVID and then we came out of that,
and we had some floods to manage. So once we
had dealt with all those things, I thought, okay, right,
it's a good time. And it's good because a school
is running really well, and I'm very happy to step
away and have some fresh eyes come in.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I don't know how unbiased you can be about this
because you were on the Ministry of Education's Curriculum Assessment group.
But what do you make of Erica Stanford's plan changes
across the board from primary school all the way through
the year thirteen.

Speaker 16 (17:33):
He's having experienced where we're you know, where we have
come from as a country. I think it's really important
to make changes, especially on a regular cycle, and probably
in New Zealand we're a bit over influenced, I think
at government level, and we don't seem to have good
agreement across all the parties about education. In that kind

(17:58):
of change and philosophy every time the government changes is
challenging to work with. But I do like the changes.
I think having a curriculum that's far more specific. So
at the moment, the existing curriculum has eight levels for
thirteen year levels of a school, and you can see

(18:18):
the problems straight away with that. It's very hard to decide,
you know, to unpack the curriculum for a start, and
to also know as students transition across different schools, it's
very difficult to actually you know, plan you know, for
those students and make sure that we adapt the curriculum
as they say they have the curriculum walks through the door,

(18:41):
and you know, no child is an anty vessel. They
all have, you know, knowledge of their own and I
think it's important that we continue to make changes and
make curriculum more specific. So I do support the changes.
I just think they've landed, you know, in a busy
time for teachers, and obviously the unions have been involved

(19:03):
in quite active in discussions. But I like the specificity
of the new curriculum. It's set out in terms of
knowledge for every year level and that's what you know what,
that clarity will be much easier to see and to
unpack for teachers.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Now, it seems to me that we have all kind
of broadly landed on the biggest threat to kids at
the moment as social media. Would you say that's about
right or are we way off?

Speaker 11 (19:27):
No?

Speaker 16 (19:27):
We are in a social media world, and of course
AI is following closely behind that. And sometimes you know,
as human beings, we create these wonderful technologies, but we
don't work out the downside of those technologies quickly enough.
Social media has been a classic example, and you know,

(19:48):
while it connects people, it can also create a lot
of damage for young people, and I do think we
need to address those things as well as AI as
it's i mean, some more prevalent.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, thank you, bang on hither, look, go and enjoy
your retirement, and thank you so much for your sharing
the expertise with us. That is Heather mcrag retiring principle
of DIO in Auckland, sixteen years in the job. Richard
Arnold is with us out of the US next eighteen
away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (20:38):
Richard Arnold, US correspondence with US High Richard Morning, All right,
what's the latest with the Browns University shooting?

Speaker 18 (20:45):
Second by the shooting tragedies and now we have these
awful situations in Rhode Island and on Monday Beach. Of course,
in this country, these shootings are not in any way rare.
This latest at Brown University. You've seen two people killed
and nine others wounded. Seven remain in hospital, one in
critical condition. But he is the broader statistic. This attack
had Brown University is the thirty ninth mass shooting on

(21:08):
a university or college campus here this year, thirty ninths.
Working through the night, police have detained a suspect. They
know who he is, but yet to reveal much. But
before getting into some of the details, here's not a kicker.
Two students who scrambled to hide from the shooter have
been through this before. One is mere Tretta, whose best
friend was shot dead in a mass shooting out of

(21:30):
Los Angeles six years ago. The other is Zoe Weissman, who,
at her young age of twenty, was a student at
the Parkland School in Florida, where seventeen people were killed
seven years back. She had to spend hours barricaded in
building where it happened this time, and she says.

Speaker 19 (21:48):
I just kind of felt the same cycle of emotions
I felt when I was twelve in Parkland, you know,
like just the numbness.

Speaker 18 (21:54):
So once again, once when she was twelve, now a
second time when she is twenty.

Speaker 19 (22:01):
Right now, I'm just very angry. I think I'm angry
that I've had to go through this more than ones
that now make classmates and my friends also have this
experience in common with me.

Speaker 18 (22:10):
Well, this lady's shooting came during a final exam review,
and a teacher says the gunman was masked as he
burst into the building and began shouting something they couldn't
really understand and then opened fires.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
As a witness, is here this pop pop pop like
punctuated like pop, sounds like six or seven of them
bring out behind me.

Speaker 11 (22:29):
And I've never heard anything like that in my life.

Speaker 18 (22:32):
Well, that was followed by further rounds. Doesn't appear that
the shooter was a student. He has been found and
arrested in a nearby hotel, and his rifle has been seized.
Also apparently has some features that they're not fully describing,
but link the weapon to the killer. Some four hundred
police have been involved in the eleven hour man hunt,
and the police chief, Colonel Oscar Pereas, said a few

(22:53):
minutes ago that they are still in the investigations process.

Speaker 20 (22:56):
The investigation continues to progress extremely fast.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
We're in the process of collecting evidence and seizing items
that we need to see, search locations that we need
to search.

Speaker 18 (23:05):
The Mayor of Providence, see town where this is happening,
says the community can breathe a sigh of relief. Well, yes,
and no relief that the suspected shooter is in custody.
But then the ongoing shock and trauma. Many students were
barricaded in the building for hours. A couple of thousand
students were taken to safety escorted by police. Soy, yeah,

(23:26):
this university has canceled all classes now, as a lot
of students say, they just no longer feel willing to
stay in the place. So that's the status at the minute.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, And we have three Americans killed by gunmen in Syria.

Speaker 18 (23:38):
Yeah, President Trump threatening retaliation for this. Two soldiers and
one civilian interpreter were killed in ambush by ISIS terrorists,
so they're still a factor. The gunman then was killed
by partner forces, as the Pentagon is describing at these
are the first combat deaths in the second Trump term,
and the President says, more of the laws and three
great patriots.

Speaker 9 (24:01):
We know how it happened in an ambush.

Speaker 13 (24:04):
Terrible.

Speaker 18 (24:05):
President Trump then was asked about the situation from here.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
On, Well, then you retaliate against isaaidump.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
He says.

Speaker 18 (24:14):
Also the president of Syria, Ahmed al Sharrah, is to
quote him, extremely angry and disturbed. Just last month, Trump
met with Syria's president, the first Syrian head of state
to visit the White House, as relations appeared to be
improving following the ulster of Syrian dictator Asad. But this
ISIS attack has occurred in the area that is not
under control of the new Syrian government.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Richard, thanks very much for that appreciated, mate, look after yourself.
That's Richard Arnold US correspondent Benjamin Nittanya, who has now
directly addressed Anthony Albanezi. He was speaking at a government
meeting earlier today. It quoted a lesser reportedly sent to
the Australian Prime Minister on the seventeenth of August. So
what's that four months ago? In which he accused Australia

(24:57):
of all three months ago and which he accused Australia
of pouring oil on the fire of anti Semitism. He
then said, you let the disease spread and the result
is the horrific attacks on Jews that we saw today,
which I mean, I think we can all look at
and go, mate, don't you know how to insert yourself
in a way that is completely unhelpful and makes everything
feel a whole lot worse. But it does speak to

(25:19):
some of the pressure that Albanesi is almost certainly going
to come under now because of course anti Semitism. If
you've been following the news out of Australia for the
last couple of years, especially anti Semitism, there has really
been on the rise. There have been attacks on synagogues,
there have been attacks and Jewish parts of town, attacks
on people's cars. All that kind of stuff marches across
the Sydney Harbor Bridge pro Palestine. Not that the two

(25:39):
are necessarily linked, but I think we all know that
in some way, on some level, they are. And so
as a result, Yeah, Albanese is probably going to be
asked some tough questions about what he's done. It's ten two.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Heather Duplessy Allen on the mic, asking breakfast with Bailey's
real estate news dogs n me hither.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I'm not so sure about the green shoots that you
were talking about earlier in the hour. Next year we
will lose Marwi gas methods will close, Balanced capooni Uria
plant will close. Our electricity system is still constrained and
prices are still far too high. Dairy prices are looking
to be subdued due to global oversupply. These green shoots
could welt quickly, which is a fair point from Larry
More talk about pouring pouring cold water.

Speaker 12 (26:19):
There's always a dark side to every silver cloud.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I don't forget it's called a silver cloud for it.
It's the silver lining of a dark cloud for a reason. Look,
this is a fair point and of course you have
to add in the election, because the election is generally
adapt or on anything on any kind of spending and
economic recovery. However, however, everybody saying everybody's saying, they say,

(26:41):
you know who they are. They say it's going to
be better next year, and they also say, yeah, it'll
be better next year. But you know, calm your farm,
don't get too excited and think you can run everything
up on your credit card. So I'm just gonna I'm
gonna go with the optimism on this front. But on
that if you're feeling a bit gloomy like Larry, this
week is probably going to make you feel a wee
bit more gloomy because the high food this is when
the government opens its box is happening, and that's not

(27:05):
going to be flash and there is always the chance
that we're going to push out the old surplus and
then we're going to have the debate. Now this debate.
Can I just say I'm here for this debate, But
this debate between Nichola and Ruth is getting more and
more ridiculous by the day because I don't know if
you've heard what the latest is, but there is for
one hot minute they thought that the moderator should be Winston.

(27:28):
And apparently apparently this idea has emanated from within my
household that Nicola texts me last night. She said it
with Barry's idea. So apparently Barry Soaper came up with
the idea that Winston should be the moderator and then
pitched it to Nichola's office, and then nicholas office were like, hmm,
thank the good Lord. Winston is otherwise occupied and will

(27:48):
not be doing it because I'll tell you there's no
chance that you would get to hear anything from Nichola
or Ruth. It would be the Winston show talking about
I don't know, you know, the evils of capitalism. Can't
that No thanks, I want to hear from the ladies anyway.
Barry can defend himself. I think it's a terrible idea.
I'm not allowed to say that. I'm not allowed to
tell him anymore like his off limits in the house.
I'm not allowed to say your idea sucks. So I

(28:09):
just say it on the radio to you and then
he can defend it later on. We we just have that,
like just have a fight through you back again.

Speaker 14 (28:16):
That's how most marriages work.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's normal. Yeah, no, five away from seven.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
The ins are the outs.

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Speaker 3 (28:28):
So the latest grocery supplier report from Infometrics is out
costs rows two point four percent of November. That's slightly
down on the two point five percent in October, but
it's still increasing at a faster pace compared to earlier
in the year. Supplier costs rose in all departments, but
none more so than in the seafood and the butchery departments.
Butchery costs were up four point seven percent, which is
the fastest pace since August twenty twenty three. A decent

(28:51):
chunk of that is because of higher beef, mint, steak,
and lamb on top of the fact that our slaughter
volumes are down, highlighting supply issue. Seafood costs were up
slightly more than that, but that continues a recent trend.
Produce costs it down as expected for this time of
the year when seasonal produce starts to come into stores.
Just over three thousand, eight hundred products increased in price,

(29:11):
which puts it in the top quarter for a monthly
increases since twenty eighteen. There you go and everything still
keeps getting more expensive. Listen on Larry's text, which is
it's really got under my skin now, this negativity. Cameron Baggery,
who actually well could be I'm not lying, actually well
could be the moderator of the debate. He is going
to be with us in twenty minutes time and we'll

(29:33):
get his take on whether he agrees with the economics,
the allent, the emerging consensus that next year is going
to be fantastic. Get his take on that. Also going
to have a chat to Mark Mitchell about the roadside
drug testing that's due to start kicking off today if
it hasn't already in Wellington. I'm not terribly with the inspired,
but we'll see what he's got to say. Police have

(29:54):
named one of the shooters in the Bondi beat shooting
overnight or last night. Navid A. Krump twenty four from
Sydney House is currently being raided.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
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Speaker 3 (30:21):
Good Morning So Horror scenes on Bondi Beach. Overnight. At
least twelve are dead and twenty nine are injured after
a mass shooting at the Sydney Hotspot. Two people are
in custody. The Prime Minister, Anthony Albanezi, has responded to
criticism that he has not done enough to prevent anti
Semitism in Australia.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
We've continued to act, We've continued to work with Jewish
community leaders. We've continued to take all the advice from
the security agencies to put in place special measures and
will continue to do so.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Here's the uncle of a security guard shot on the shoulder.

Speaker 20 (30:56):
No I thought Sunday night would be spending it at
a hospital where two terrorists have gone on a massacre
to try killers and introduced people as possible and hopefully
there's a way back, but I'm really doubtful.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Australia. Carr is one of Murrayold's las Timas.

Speaker 9 (31:13):
Good morning Heather.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Was there any warning whatsoever that something like this might happen?

Speaker 9 (31:18):
Well, one of the two gunmen, when we understand, was
known to police. Now whether he was just on the
radar as a bit of a low level threat or
was he something more sinister, more serious and they're going
to be so many questions asked along those lines.

Speaker 14 (31:37):
Why didn't the.

Speaker 9 (31:38):
Police, the security agencies as O is the domestic terrorism
outfit in Australia. It just beggars belief that this was
not on the radar of these agencies. Having said that, Heather,
maybe that is too radicalized men in Sydney's West because
they raided the home of one of them last night

(31:58):
at Bonnie Rigg. We don't know what was the outcome
of that raid. One of the gunment, by the way,
was killed, the other is in hospital. It was shot
by police. We understand now. Have these guys been radicalized
online by someone from some overseas actor, have they done
it themselves? Are they just weirdos? We simply don't know.

(32:20):
At the stage, there's so much information out there still.
Police are trying to pull it all together. But as
you say, look, twelve dead, twenty nine injured. The death
toll may have climbed overnight because some.

Speaker 14 (32:32):
Of the injured have.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
Serious to critical. The police are not releasing any further
information at this stage of the morning. There will be
a news conference later this morning, but at this stage
that's all we've got.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
To go on now if there or is there not
a third shooter, because there has been talk of that.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
There's nothing to indicate at this stage this morning that
there was a third shooter. There were two of them,
of course pictured, one of them disarmed by the guy
who's been identified Heather as a fruit shop owner from
southern Sydney. He's apparently snuck through the car park and
as we can see online, he's just tackled the gunman,
jumped him, tackled them, got him in a bear, had

(33:13):
grabbed the gun off them and the gunman scuttled away.
So at the stage, you know, there's very I've seen
those stories about the speculation of a third government. The
police are saying nothing about that. Will no doubt get
that information later on this morning. But as I say,
one of the guys has been identified, Navid Akram named

(33:33):
as one of the shooters. Police raided his home last night.
And at this stage we're still many many, many questions
to be answered. I mean, you know, the political response
from the Prime Minister, from the premiere, the police response
as well. The Asia boss was up last night saying
that one of these guys was on the radar, the
other one that apparently was not so so many holes

(33:57):
to be filled this morning.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Yeah, Now, how much trouble is Anthony Albanesi and given
what has been happening in your country with anti Semitism
in the last few years, also the statements from the
US and from a Benjamin Nettan Yahoo about him.

Speaker 9 (34:10):
Yeah, well it remains to be seen. I mean, I'm
not sure what Alberanizi can do himself. I'm not sure
what any political leader can do with this sort of thing.
I mean, it's not as though the government hasn't joined
the opposition in condemning what's happened here in Australia, the
attacks on synagogues, the attacks on homes and businesses. It's

(34:32):
not an Albanesi's purview to stop that. I mean, that's
up to police. But you know, it's not a new
criticism of the Prime minister. And this will only amplify
And you know, of course thoughts turned Heather to Port
Arthur Eightpril nineteen ninety six when that lunatic went on
a rampage shot thirty five people dead. Now this is

(34:54):
another scale altogether. This has got religious political overtones.

Speaker 14 (34:59):
It is.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
On a scale and we've not seen here. We've not
seen this in Australia. Ten dead, twenty nine injured, two fruitcakes,
just opening fire. For those who know Vondai Beach, it's
the northern end, Heather, it's up there. And yesterday was
the first day of Hummaker, the Jewish holiday celebrated every
year's late day Festival of Light. There were kids down

(35:23):
in the park below that footbridge and they were there
with their families. And we don't know how many children
among the dead, Heather. We don't know how many kiddies
were wounded. You know, you scratch your head and you
just think, how the hell could this happen here in Australia.
But it's happened.

Speaker 14 (35:40):
It's just dreadful.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
It is MS. Thank you very much for your time, mate,
Murray Old's Australia correspondent. It is twelve past seven, Heather
dupele se La Sovacks news here. The crackdown on drug
drivers is going to start today, kicks off from Wellington
first and this is the cops Saliva testing the drivers
for four drugs, cannabis, myth, MDMA and cocaine. Police Minister
Mark Mitchell is with us, hom it yeah, good wanning
you hear them. Just can I just get your take

(36:04):
on what's happened in Australia. It sounds like it took
the cops about four minutes to get there, which I
would have thought is pretty fast.

Speaker 21 (36:11):
Yeah, it sounds like the response was very quick from police.
But you know, just an absolutely awful situation to try
and get control of and deal with. When you've got
multiple gunmen and you've got or you've got two gunmen
and you've got you know, large groups of the public around.
Is that you know, it would have been really confusing. Yeah,
certainly for those first responders. But look, just just want

(36:33):
to send our heartfelt pras and thoughts to everyone that
was impacted on by this. We're being really busy this
morning making sure that we put measures in place that
our own Jewish community here can feel safe, you know,
protection around our synagogues. And I just want to give
a shout out to our own faith leaders here in
New Zealand, and I've been working very closely with since
I became Ethic Communities Minister and of course Police Minister,

(36:55):
and the strength and the leadership that they've shown to
prevent that sort ofs from washing up on our own shores.
Because you know, we've at the moment we've seen so
much global instability and violence and we've got to do
everything that we can to prevent that from happening here
in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Very well said. Now look on the on the drug
drug drivers testing. I love this, but at fifty thousand
of these tests, you're not really going to make much
of a difference. You're planning to scale it up.

Speaker 21 (37:20):
We will scale it up, but we just the police
have to make sure that it's a new form of testing,
so it's important to trial. It's been trolled in Wellington
to make sure that that it is actually working and
then of course it'll be rolled out nationally.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Brilliant. Really appreciate talking to you, Marke Mitchell, Police Minister.
Fourteen past seven The Hike.

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Speaker 3 (37:44):
Be a little bit of good news for you if
you're planning to get out of town and go somewhere
later this week ahead of Christmas. The Air New Zealand
cabin cruise strike for Thursday I think it was has
now been called off. They've reached an agreement in principle
with the company seventeen past seven. Now yet another bank
is picking a decent recovery this year. It's Keiwibank says
it's on with a two point four percent GDP increase

(38:05):
for twenty six. But the bank has joined the chorus
blaming the Reserve Bank for stuffing up the comms, leading
to increased fixed term rates at the major retail banks.
Independent economist and founder of Baggery and the Economics, Cameron
Baggery is with us Morning Cam, good morning. Is it
as simple as Key Bank has made it? And to
be fair, most of us by blaming the Reserve Bank
for this?

Speaker 22 (38:26):
No wholesale interest rates started to move up in advance
of the reserve banks, sort of what we call pivot,
and their latest monetary policy is stuppened. What's the victim here,
you know? What's how do we point the finger out?
We point the finger at an economy that's actually starting
to show a little bit of a heartbeat.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
Yea.

Speaker 22 (38:46):
Our sales are up quite strongly. Construction activities started to
move back up, albeit of a low base. Do you
look at business lending It started to move up as well.
Tract the sales are moving up. Ours work were positive
as well. We had a horror GDP number in Q two.
We're going to get a decent rebound in Q three.

(39:06):
There's the economy knocking the ball out of the park.
The answer is no, we're still struggling overall, but we've
turned the corner. When you turn the corner, interest rates
don't need to be as low. So what we've seen
is it interest rate markets have just repriced how much
stimulus will support that they think the Reserve Bank needs
to give us over the next sort of twelve months,
what are.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
You pecking next year is going to be like? Is
it going to be blockbuster growth or is it going
to be a little bit more like what Simon Bridges
are saying, which is it's going to be growing, but
it's not going to feel all together that flash because
of the election and various other things.

Speaker 22 (39:39):
Oh, election, a whole lot of other factors. Look, there's
an awful lot of stimulus that's in the pipeline.

Speaker 14 (39:45):
Yah.

Speaker 22 (39:45):
The rural sectors obviously meant doing pretty well. They haven't
fully opened the checkbook yet. Dairy price has started to recede,
so they'll probably care a little bit of about plans.
Bending back, We've got to find Pierra injection. You've got
the impact of life registrates that there's a whole lot
of cyclical support in the pipeline that's going to have
us moving forward. The problem here is that we've still

(40:06):
got all these structural problems. You've got problems growth. The
Education said, you've got problems a gross infrastructure road coneidus.
The biggest, biggest issue is just weak productivity growth. We've
become a very inefficient nation over the last sort of
twelve months. The biggest issue, the biggest concern I've got
is that we're going to stare pick up and demand
that's baked in.

Speaker 14 (40:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (40:28):
The concern I've got is that do we have the
supplies our capacity to absorb that demand by the utilization
of resources. Because if we do not have a capacity
to absorb demand, the Reserve Bank is going to see
inflation sticking up around three percent and that will be
a problem.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Now listen very quickly, you're doing the debate.

Speaker 22 (40:47):
I'm not quite sure, but at the moment I think
my name has been put down on the table to
moderate from one side. We're just waiting for acceptance on
the other side. And regard that a wether role be
a moderator. So what's the space.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Seen this week?

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Cameron?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Thanks very much, Cameron Bagri, Independent Economists, founder of Baggri
Economy Economics and might be the moderator of the Ruth
Richardson Nichola Will's Debate. Okay, let's go back to the
situation on Australia next seven to twenty one.

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Speaker 1 (42:14):
Directed together do for sea Al.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Don't forget the intimidatory protests across central Melbourne every single
weekend for the last two plus years being allowed to
continue grant thank you seven twenty four. Now, look, I
don't want to turn something that has happened into Australia
into something that involves all of us, but I think
that there is some merit in everyone in western English
speaking Commonwealth countries just having a bit of a stop

(42:37):
and a think about how it is that we have
found ourselves back in a place where anti Semitism is
now so widespread and so pronounced that something like the
Bondi shooting happens now. Again, I am not a portioning
blame to anyone other than the people who have fired
those shots, but it cannot escape our attention that anti semitism,
and let's call it for what it sometimes does become.
Hatred of Jewish people has become normal enough for people

(43:01):
to just say it out loud to each other. There
was a sign that was graffitied in Wellington recently. I
feel like it might have been last year in our
O Valley. It said I hated Jews before it was cool,
which shocked me. And the obvious answer is that this
sentiment is a reaction to what the State of Israel
has done in Gaza in the last two years, and
that that has fomented that feeling. But let's be honest

(43:22):
about this and be historically accurate here. This anti Semitism
that we're going through right now actually predates the war
in Gaza. The Gaza War just made it okay if
you want to put that in quotation marks, to say
it out loud now. Obviously, I don't need to tell
you the Jewish people celebrating Hunaker at the Bondai Beach
were not the soldiers or the politicians involved in the

(43:43):
Gaza War. They were just OSSI's. They're just mums and
dads and kids and young people having fun. And it
blows my mind that we haven't even allowed one hundred
years to pass before this community is living in living
in fear in countries, in places like Australia. Again, I
would just urge all of us to stop and think
of out the fact that being angry at a state
is one thing, but being angry at people who live

(44:06):
on the other side of the world and have absolutely
nothing to do with it is quite another. Ever, now,
this is a question about the anti Semitism that has
really been puzzling me for the last few years. If
you want so, I went and read a book about it,
and I'm going to recommend this book to you if
you want to kind of do a bit of a
deep dive into it. It's Douglas Murray's latest book on
democracies and death cults. He's, of course a conservative thinker,

(44:29):
has written for various publications like The Telegraph and Past,
so he's got reasonable credentials in you know this, like
thinking about things and writing about things. He started researching
and writing this book after October seven because he was shocked.
He lives in New York now, and he was shocked
when he saw Times Square after October seven just fill
with people celebrating what was happening. And if you cast

(44:52):
your mind back to what happened in October seven in Israel.
It was horrific, right, people were celebrating that. He thought
there's got to be something wrong with us that we
was elebrating. Is what's up? Went Away had a look
at it, written this book. Now it's too long for
me to explain it to you right now, so I
recommend you going to have a read of it and
then maybe we can have a chat about it in
the new year. Prime Minister Chris Luxon is with us next.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
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Speaker 3 (45:48):
Commentary Boxes with us after eight. Right now it's twenty
three to eight and Christopher Luxan, the Prime Minister, is
in the studio with us for the final time this year. Morning, Chris,
how are you very well? Thank you? Have you spoken
to Elbow?

Speaker 15 (45:59):
We've corresponded. Yeah, So I sort of offered our condolences
and also any support or help that he needed, and
he came back pretty quickly to say no, really appreciated it.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Now, I mean, look, I'm really loath to make something
over there and us problem. But are we worried.

Speaker 15 (46:12):
No, I mean I want to reassure our Jewish community
in particular that you know, there's several things going on.
Actually right now, the police are meeting with the Jewish community.
Is there any more reassurance that's needed?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Security?

Speaker 15 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, security. Secondly, we actually have been funding actually
security at places of worship across the country. And thirdly,
you know, we've also been creating quite a lot of
opportunities for dialogue between the faiths as well. So that's
where that Mark Mitchell and myself have been involved in,
you know, over the course of the last two years
as well. So yeah, I mean it's incredibly I mean

(46:46):
you do feel for our Australian Jewish community, but also
our Jewish community here in New Zealand around the world
because you know, what we saw was just vile anti semitism,
a terrorist attack, hate field utterly unacceptable, and you know,
I think we feel it here in New Zealand because
you know, we all know Bondai and I live there.
I live not in Bondi, but live in Sydney for
five years. It's a lot of New Zealanders in that area.

(47:08):
We will understand it and know it well. And to
think that that could happen in a beach when people
are celebrating Huneker is you know quite something so pretty
shocking and telling you as I watched it last night,
yet pretty sickly.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Yeah, very much. Is now back home? We are opening
the books this week? Are we pushing out suplus again?

Speaker 15 (47:26):
Well, we've got two things going on this week. We've
got Haifu, which is on Tuesday. That's sort of where
Treasury do their forecast of how they think things are
looking going forward. That's a little bit backwards looking, if
I'm honest. It's sort of set back I think in
early October, so it doesn't have quite as much of
the recent activity that we've seen in the economy. And
then on Thursday we actually get the GDP numbers, which
actually is what I'm more interested in seeing. Of course

(47:48):
you are seeing how look at this story? Well, no, no,
that's just because you know, we generally want to make
sure that we're seeing growth in the economy, and you know,
you've seen a lot of economists saying, oh, yeah, it's
actually strengthening a bit quicker than we thought. But yeah,
let's see you.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
See what you did.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
You didn't answer my question, are you pushing out.

Speaker 15 (48:02):
I'm getting good at this policy, you're getting better at
getting better?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Are you pushing out surplus?

Speaker 15 (48:07):
Look how you feel be announced tomorrow and we'll have
to wait till tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
So it's not good. I mean, I don't need to
tell you that that's not good. If you guys do right,
there'll be three years and two times.

Speaker 15 (48:15):
Yeah, I just say two years. Yeah, but I just
say to you, look, yeah, let's have it. Let's see
what happens tomorrow. We'll have a look. It is a
bit more grounded in that period of Q two and
early Q three. We do know the economy subsequently strengthen
quite a bit. But you know, hey, for tomorrow GDPM.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Right, we'll talk to Nikola once you guys make that
decision one way or the other. Did you see Morris
Williamson's warning over the weekend about your density plans in Auckland.

Speaker 15 (48:36):
Yeah, well aware of it. And you know, we've got
these proposals out there at the moment, we're monitoring feedback
to those and how people are reacting to it. And yeah,
and there's different reactions.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Are you prepared toive.

Speaker 15 (48:47):
We'll just say to your year, we want to make
sure people make their submissions and then we'll have more
to say about it in the new year. But you know,
once we see what the reaction has been.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
So what he's asking is that the two million that
has planned two million houses for Auckland has dropped down
to one point five. Is that something that you would consider?

Speaker 15 (49:02):
Look again, you know, we're open to considering once we've
seen all the feedback come through. And I think, yeah,
we hear the feedback.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
Rest assured.

Speaker 15 (49:09):
I want Aukland to undstand.

Speaker 9 (49:10):
We hear it.

Speaker 15 (49:11):
We're monitoring it really closely. Encourage everybody to submit and
put your points of view out there pretty quickly, and
then in the new year will come back and.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Reveal how would Bush feel about that? Because he has
pushed very hard. This is Chris Bishop. He's pushed very
hard on this and this is not him. I mean
that he really truly believes this doesn't.

Speaker 15 (49:26):
Well, we all do, because actually, you know, we're in
a country the size of Great Britain in Japan, right
and we've had a housing crisis in this country for
decades now, and we shouldn't because there's actually a supply
side problem. You know, we have plenty of lamb got
five million people.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Do you believe two million houses is necessary? And if
you do, if you drop it down, does that mean
that you're actually making concessionslday.

Speaker 15 (49:46):
With sort of three things in play, So just first
and foremost, because there's been a lot of misinformation about
the two million. Right, Basically, we have nine hundred thousand,
maybe a million houses in Auckland already, so you've got
to deduct that off the million, off the two million.
Then they're saying, right, net is about a million over
thirty years is the proposal of what we think we
need to build out over thirty years. Right, So everyone
getting freaked out about saying I'm going to have two

(50:06):
million extra people in Aukland. That's just not true because
I've heard some of that as I've listened to some
of the town halls and other things that have been
taking place. But the issue is really you've got to
balance three things. One is, we think there's huge opportunity
to densify over transport hubs and actually in the CBD area,
and if you think about Sydney where I lived in
the late nineties, that's exactly what happened in that CBD area.
So that's a real opportunity, like you know, think apartment blocks,

(50:29):
think retail, think businesses coming into those transport hubs. We
need that to happen, and that will naturally happen, and
it's very efficient and it's good stuff. On the other hand,
you also know that we've got expansion out in Dreary
and places like that. We're actually essentially building like a
second city out there with Costco's going out there. There'll
be schools, there be a whole bunch of things, even
discussion about hospitals and things. And then you left those
balancing figures then determine what happens in your suburban Auckland.

(50:52):
As a result, now some of that's all left to
the councils because they actually wanted some flexibility to mix
that up as they wish. We may think that they
should go heavier and CBD, and they should go heavier
in green fields, and they therefore don't need to penalize
the suburbs as much as what they've got proposed.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
So that's that's sort of.

Speaker 15 (51:08):
The three component parts that are influx and in play.
It works together, and it's just a question of let's
hear the feedback, because you know, the council may be
a little bit more again, you know green fields, you know,
but that's happening anyway. And all we're trying to do
is get better at this thing called master planning where
actually we've got a view for thirty years, and that
we want to have abundant ability to actually know where

(51:28):
we're building out houses so we don't have house prices
going up thirty percent a year and young people not
able to afford them.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
This debate between Nicola and Ruth, is this a good idea?

Speaker 15 (51:38):
Look, I mean, Nicola is right to defend yourself and
defend our government. As I said to you last week,
I do find it odd that the TPU want to
encourage a radical labor agenda of tax must stand more.

Speaker 10 (51:48):
Bor and more.

Speaker 15 (51:49):
And I I want to say to you here that
because I know you've probably got sympathies towards that side
of things, is that if you, if any of your
listeners are actually donating money to the Taxpayers Union, and
you're wondering why the hell they're attacking a government that
you support, I'd just say to you there is one
organization that you should redirect that funding to and that
is the National Party, because we are the only sten

(52:11):
to rite organization that has lowered Texas, we have lowered income.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Text.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
I'm not going to defend the Taxpayers Union in this.
I think they're just trying to get more for school discipline,
which I don't think is a bad idea. But is
this debate I good idea? Like this thing has just
got legs of its own. It's gone nutty. Winston is
the moderat kinds of weird, like I don't know.

Speaker 15 (52:28):
The bottomlight is that I think she's right to defue you,
herself and the government. But I just say to you,
as I said last week, you know it's all very
easy on the right to say, oh yeah, we should
just slash and burn and cut more and put the
car into reverse and have massive heart austerity. We know
that doesn't work. On the other side, you can't do
the Hipkins agenda, which has been more tax more, borrow more.
And you know we're following, not dissimilarly, a pathway that

(52:50):
Key and English had just remember two years hello, English.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Had zero budgets. Yeah, but listen one zero budget and
I'll say you're following the same shot.

Speaker 15 (52:57):
But if you think about where they were two years
into their first term twenty ten, they were at thirty
four percent Crown spending as a per center of GDP.

Speaker 9 (53:04):
Where are you?

Speaker 15 (53:04):
We're about thirty two and a half or something like that,
or it was just below that, but forty two now
that's dead. I'm talking about Crown core expenditure.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
I don't know GP.

Speaker 15 (53:13):
Okay, okay, you've said such confident and what I saw you, Sire,
was actually the right pathway, which was just steady.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
You said, Crown expenditures.

Speaker 15 (53:21):
It's just below thirty three I think thirty two and
a half to thirty three percent.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We'll go check that all right. Now, you've embarrassed me
because I embarrassed you, well, because you've come and prepared.
It's not normal that a man is more prepared than
a woman. But you've brought a gift for me.

Speaker 15 (53:34):
Well, you you basically had a policy of ours that
you quite liked, but you actually wanted it to have
happened yesterday. So I wanted to gift you this in
this box. So have a look at this, and it's
a lovely card for you and Barry to go to
the I.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Was going to go.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
I asked for Low Riley for his recommendations of the
book of the year.

Speaker 15 (53:51):
Yeah, because he gives.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
And I was going to go buy you a book,
but I ran out of time. Oh lord, rates cap.

Speaker 15 (53:56):
It's a rates cap, now you can well, you.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Know what, I guess. It's a cap with rates on it.
And I'll tell you what if that was the rates cap.
I've come around to the idea. Actually I think it
might not be that bad. But what I've decided is,
Chris and a card. Has it got Amanda's arms in it?
Of card I want from you? It shows up your
wife's arms.

Speaker 15 (54:15):
Worried that you like my wife's arms.

Speaker 11 (54:16):
All that.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
It's a life goal. Thank you for that. What I've
decided is better late than never. So I'm going to
go to the bookshop and I'm going to get you
the Douglas Murray book that I'm going to send it
to you.

Speaker 14 (54:29):
Summer.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I think it might be with it.

Speaker 15 (54:30):
But I have a great break. If I probably don't
see you over the break, you might catch up.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
With you at the tennis so but listen, great, I'll
find out when you're there and then i'll come. Thank
you very much, Chris, enjoy your summer and get a
good break and then we'll see you in the new year.

Speaker 14 (54:42):
Well, do take it.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Chris Lux and Prime Minister right now are sixteen away
from it.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
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Speaker 3 (54:53):
The Douglas Murray's book is excellent and I've just finished it.
It's sobering. I'll tell you what. And this is what
quite a few people have found is that you art
reading and you think, well, gosh, I don't know if
I can I don't know if I can handle this
all the way through, because it's quite grim at the start,
and then and you have the nightmares if you if
you're a bit of a softy like myself, and then
then you push through that. But and then and then
after that it's it's a lot less intense, but it

(55:15):
is very sobering. Jordan Williams has already texted and he's
upset that that that the National Party has now pedled
his idea, which is because remember Jordan Williams and the
Taxpayers Union, the ones that that all the Auckland ratepays
are whatever, who have been pushing the idea of the
rates caps and they had the caps with the rates
written on it. Well, now the Nats have stolen, stolen
the idea and stolen the merch as well. Listen, there

(55:35):
is a video, like a longer video of what happened
in Bondi. It's eleven minutes long and the BBC has
watched it and and written down basically from start to
finish what happens, So I'm going to run you through it.
It starts with one of the gunmen already on the footbridge,
which is where they basically do most of the shooting from.
The second is down on the footpath shooting at somebody
who's running away. They then direct sustained fire towards the

(55:59):
Hunnukerve event. The attacker who's on the bridge fires almost
continuously and has got a spare gunna get with him.
He then descends the bridge towards the park only once
comes back zonly golf for ten seconds comes back in.
It takes six minutes for him to get shot. In
that time, he pauses only to reload and need to
threaten people who stray too close on Campbell Parade. He

(56:21):
also turns to others and tells them to back off.
Before continuing to fire on those at the beach, which
goes I think, which some are seeing as an indication
that this was just a sustained attack on a targeted
attack on the Jewish community. Other people who just happened
to be walking past were no problem to these guys.
They were just firing at the Jewish community. The second
attacker then crosses the bridge, moves towards a tree roughly

(56:41):
thirty meters away from the gathering, continues to fire. That's
where he's disarmed by Ahmed, who's the chap who runs
the fruit store. Then he comes back to the bridge,
picks up the spare weapon, continues to shoot. It is
more than four minutes into the video before incoming shots
targeting the attackers strike the bridge about thirty seconds later.
The attacker in the white trousers first hit and collapsed,
and then a minute later the remaining government is also shot,

(57:02):
and that draws cheers from onlookers. Nine away from.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
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Speaker 3 (57:13):
I've done my fact checking of the Prime Minister on
the expenses as a proportion of GDP, and I'm going
to call it a draw between us being generous to
myself and being generous to him. So I said that
the total expenses as a proportion of GDP is forty
two point one percent, which is actually correct. He said
that it's that I'm wrong, and it's more like thirty

(57:34):
two and a half thirty three, which is also correct,
But he was using a slightly different This is where
it gets very boring and nerdy. But he's using a
slightly different measure, which is core expenses versus total expenses.
Now someone can correct me on this who actually understands
how government books work. But I think the core expenses
strip out things like the interest bill on the debt
and all that kind of stuff that you know you

(57:55):
wouldn't consider core, which is why it's called core expenses.
But I could be wrong anyway, So both of us
are correct. What I would say is why that is important,
basically is because the government, and this is Nicola Willis
in particular, trying to try try to tell you that
they're bringing down the cost of running the government, and
look they are, but they did help to shoot it

(58:16):
up and then to bring it down in it and
it's still higher than it was when Grant left, So
this is going to be part of the debate. I'd
imagine that Ruth richards and Richardson will be flinging at them. Heather,
you mentioned going to the tennis. I hope we're not
going to see rows and rows of empty seats when
we tune in on TV. I'll tell you what's going
on here with the tennis, which is slightly problematic. Is
I love going to the tennis? But when you, I mean,

(58:37):
do you so you go off right? You're going to
go on your summer holiday? Are you going to come
back early January into Auckland to go to the tennis?
Is there anything more bougie than coming back from your
holiday to go to the tennis? I feel like, I
feel like for your own credibility is like a relatable person,
you probably have to just stay put. And that may
be part of the problem as to why there are

(58:59):
empty seats. We've got the co comentary box with us
shortly and I have a chat to them about that.
Just a quick public service announcement to you. If you
have a passport like myself running out in twenty six
twenty seven, you're gonna want to get onto this right.
Don't leave it like until a month before or two
months before you go to Bali to try and get
and think it'll be fine. It will not be fine.
Is a massive log jam coming. One point three million

(59:21):
passports are expiring in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven.
It's worse than twenty seven, by the way, It's like
six hundred and twenty two thousand next year, and there's
seven hundred and sixty thousand the following year. And these
guys are going to be just absolutely snowed under. So
get your ugly photo taken, send it in early, and
then you're not going to be stressing out ahead of
your holiday. And when you sit on your plane with
your ugly new passport, as they always are, just think

(59:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
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Speaker 11 (01:01:14):
Morning morning, Good morning guys.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Realize it's the last one of the year. I mean,
I don't know what are you going to do with
your mondays after this?

Speaker 14 (01:01:22):
Have live?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Won't start off as well, will it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Smile Yeah, ye, happy as always?

Speaker 11 (01:01:31):
Feel right, Let's not feel victimized and targeted a DATO seven.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I'm very glad. I'm happy to say this is aimed
at somebody completely differently. We'll make sure we pass on
the feedback Lord above Piney Okay, let's talk about Mitchay.
Do we need to talk about Mitchay?

Speaker 15 (01:01:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:51):
Look, I think this was widely telegraphed. Wasn't it that
he that he was going to drop out when Tom
Blunder was fit again. I know there's a lot of
mixed views on this, and Mitch hate he had a
really good first test. You know, kept well sixty odd
on debut. You can't ask much more from him. But look,
Tom Blundell wasn't dropped. He was injured, and injured players

(01:02:12):
in the eyes of the selectors for the Black Ops anyway,
come back into the team when when they're fit again.
So I don't think we need to worry about Mitch Hay.
I think he's going to play a lot of cricket
for New Zealand in all three formats. But you know,
the loyalty, I guess in some ways sometimes goes too far.

Speaker 12 (01:02:28):
But I actually think this is the right decision.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
I'm pleased for Tom Lundell, but because he has builds
up a body of work that basically, you know, not
doesn't guarantee his selection, but certainly justifies it.

Speaker 12 (01:02:41):
I think Mitch Hay's had one test, a good test.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
Yes, he has, but there's a big, big year of
Test cricket ahead and to suggest that that one performance
against a pretty mediocre West Indies side is the reason
to make a sweeping change at wicket keeper in the
in the Test, Si, I think he's taking it a
bit too far, Yeah, I said.

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
The positive Heather is that will now realize he needs
to play very well with the gloves on the back
because of someone now breathing down his neck. That may
not have been the case in the recent past. So
and the other positive is that with these bowling injuries
as well, it looks as though New Zealand is starting
to build quite little bit of depth through these injuries. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I was gonna get slightly worried sav about the bowling injuries,
but there remembered we're playing the West Indies, so it
should be fine, shouldn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:25):
Yeah, it should be. I see they've called a jazz
patelback and g whiz. I hope he gets to play
because he's always entertaining to watch. Maybe they think the
mount will take some turn. Hasn't played a Test at
home for almost sixty years, which is quite staggering. Let's
not forget he took that wonderful bag of ten was
against India not long ago, but just doesn't get a

(01:03:47):
looking at home. So that's an intriguing selection for next
wor for this week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Piney.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Did you see the cost of going to the FIFA
World Cup?

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:03:55):
I did?

Speaker 12 (01:03:55):
Yeah, eyewatering, absolutely, eyewatering. Aw.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Now let me ask you the question. Is that right
that if you go and you support your favorite team
from the first match all the way through to the finals,
it'll cost you something like at least fourteen thousand New
Zealand dollars and that is five times the price and Katar,
is that right?

Speaker 12 (01:04:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
That's that's eight games, So you know, the only two
teams or four teams actually if you count the third
and fourth playoffs, are going to play the eight games.

Speaker 12 (01:04:22):
But the other part of it heither.

Speaker 6 (01:04:24):
If you're an England supporter, for example, and you're optimistic
that your team is going to make it deep into
the tournament, not only do you have to think about
that money, but you have to pay it up front.
You can you can buy a pass which basically follows
your team all the way to the final. If they
don't make it, you get a refund. But who's got

(01:04:45):
fourteen grand to just you know, to drop that's tickets
though that's only tickets, it's not flights, accommodation and other
costs as well.

Speaker 12 (01:04:55):
Fourteen grand for eight games.

Speaker 11 (01:04:57):
Given the New Zealand dollar at the moment it be,
is about three hundred dollars in the States.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
That's right, That's right.

Speaker 11 (01:05:03):
But I mean on a global on a global scheme
of things, isn't fourteen k not that much to go
to pool games and knockout games and World Cup semis
and finals? Does that include the semi in the final?

Speaker 12 (01:05:13):
If you yeah, yeah it does.

Speaker 11 (01:05:15):
But fourteen k not that much, is it?

Speaker 12 (01:05:18):
But it's just the ticket. I mean, Jeps, you're obviously
operating in a different streatus for you.

Speaker 11 (01:05:25):
No, no, God, I wouldn't pay it, but people around
the world will, some will be able to afford that.
Look that the problem heither is that I think Jason
can correct me. They if you want to go to
an all Whites game, you don't want to have to
pay a package or buy a tour package at an
exorbitant rate. You go into a ballot and there's probably
more chance of winning lotto than getting a getting an

(01:05:46):
All Whites ticket. In the ballot or you have to
go through and the credited agent travel packages included.

Speaker 12 (01:05:53):
Yeah, there are two. There are two ballots.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
There's the FIFA ballot, which is the entire world, and
they've had five million applications already.

Speaker 12 (01:05:59):
Forts in that ballot.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
The New Zealand football ballot, they get eight percent of
tickets for each of New Zealand's pall matches and those
are just for New Zealand citizens, so that that entries
into that ballot closed last night. It's about four or
five thousand tickets per game.

Speaker 12 (01:06:16):
So look, I.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Have actually I have I put my name in there.
And what it does is but so there's five thousand
tickets per game. If there are more than five thousand
people who want them, they'll do a ballot.

Speaker 12 (01:06:29):
And you get it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
And what that gets you is the right to purchase.
So you get the right to purchase up to four tickets.
I think it is for each of the each of
the three gently.

Speaker 11 (01:06:39):
Donald apparently Donald Trump's running the ballot out of Florida
using old voting carts.

Speaker 12 (01:06:46):
He's got most of the tickets himself for the New
Zealand Iran game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
All right, Sam, I want to start with you on
what's going on with the NZ twenty. Is it a
problem that they have admitted they have no money yet?

Speaker 14 (01:07:20):
Possibly?

Speaker 11 (01:07:21):
But it's still really in its infancy, isn't it. I
mean New Zealand Cricket needs to decide with these other
parties what they're going to do come early twenty twenty
seven with a T twenty competition. It's very it's quite convoluted,
isn't it the whole business. Who's on what board? Who's
on which board? Is the nz z CEO on holiday
or has he been let go? There's a there's a

(01:07:44):
bit of murkiness going on, but hopefully you will clear
itself sooner than rather than later. I think it's still
a good idea if they can get private money in,
surely that helps New Zealand Cricket overall.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Well, I would have thought so that you see Piney,
I was under the impression that they had backers already,
and there'd been really early on there were reports that
there were some Indian backers financially, and now they don't
have any money. So is it possible that all the
brew haha in the last few weeks have actually chased
them away.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
That that is, I think is what is what has happened.
And I think there's been a bit of a tailored
campaign to paint this as a rebel league and in
some way, you know, something that Indian money. You know,
Indian investors don't want to get involved in the Indian
investors are there either, but they don't want to invest
in something which is going to be in any way controversial.

(01:08:32):
And at the moment there's a lot of controversy around this,
with the different parties and people bickering in public. So yeah,
I'm like sav I think it's a good idea. We
still have to get to the point where it's the
selected idea for our T twenty comp moving forward. And
I think absolutely that that money is there, so let's
hope that prevails.

Speaker 11 (01:08:51):
And there I don't have a foot in either Campery.
I couldn't give the monkeys, but wouldn't it be great
for January, that holiday period to have an exciting cricket
competition with a few star names. I don't think there'd
be a huge amount because there's other leagues going on
around the world, but wouldn't that be great in that
generary window that once we Sindy's leave here in about

(01:09:11):
seven or eight days, there's there's no international cricket or
diss cractive cricket.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
I'd heard as well is that it's going to come
to you, right so so that wherever we are congregated
for our holidays, be it total whatever, they will bring
the cricket to where the crowds are, which I think
will also be quite good.

Speaker 11 (01:09:32):
Yep, yeah, now Park Molerneu Park Alexandra. I don't know
if you to have been there, but that's that's where
it should end up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Queenstown Queenstown for me, Yeah, you know, I I've heard
of these places before yet yet to find them on
a map, but they're apparently hot spots. But actually.

Speaker 12 (01:09:55):
I had to buy my World Cap ticketshere.

Speaker 11 (01:09:57):
Else does Dane Coles own one of the teams pain
God blest of them owns most of the company.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
On that subject, though, Piney, is this actually one of
the problems of the ASB Tennis the classic, that that
it is in a really awkward place in the calendar
in the big city, when actually most of the people
in the big city who would probably I would venturely
have the money to go to the tennis. Bugger off
to the batchers.

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
Why is this become an issue here? I assud you
mention it before. Is this is there an issue with
tickets now?

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Chris Luckson said he'd see me at the tennis and
I was like, no, I got better things to do,
like go to the beach.

Speaker 11 (01:10:33):
Oh it's always it pretty much always sells out. It's
very popular.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Well then old mate just kicks me before and said, oh,
she always sees empty tickets, empty seats there.

Speaker 11 (01:10:43):
Oh, people get up and down out of his seats
because there's so much to do there. There's bars, there's restaurants,
there's eateries, there's something always going on. So they don't
sit there the whole time and watch every single match.
Some do, some tennis tragics do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
That's what I did. I thought I was there for
the tennis not the booze. And what do you do
when you go there, sav, Well, you'd.

Speaker 11 (01:11:02):
Been invited to some flash box. You wouldn't be there
for the tennis, you'd be there for the who ha, A.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Little bit of who bit of the chance. You know
it is okay, listen, best moment of the year from you, Piney.

Speaker 6 (01:11:17):
Jordy Beamish for me winning winning World Championship three thousand
meter steple chase. You know the fact that in the
semi finally fell, had his face trodden on, got up
and qualified for the final and then ran down a
double World and Olympic champion to become the first New
Zealand's athlete to win a track medal at the World champs.

Speaker 12 (01:11:36):
It's Jordy Beamish for me.

Speaker 11 (01:11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Can you beat that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Sav No?

Speaker 11 (01:11:39):
Probably not, although I know it's fresh in our minds.
But what Alice Robinson has done in the last week
winning on the world stage in skiing and we know
she's she's won world Cup titles before, but considering how
strong that sport is in Europe and the States, looking
like Hamish Kurr winning the high jump and Toordy Beamish
as well, it's quite incredible, quite incredible. And what these

(01:12:03):
kids are doing and the snow sports are doing I
think is incredible as well. But it's overall, it's it's
been a great year all Blacks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Next year, Heather, Yeah, better be on our list of moments.

Speaker 11 (01:12:16):
I'd say I wouldn't be surprised if there's changes coming
up there, coaching changes, level changes, pard.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
The coaching changes, yes, like head coaching changes.

Speaker 11 (01:12:27):
I don't know about head coaching, but certainly the array
of coaches I've got I think I know there's quite
a few murmurings at chair and board level. So watch
the space.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Anyway, good intel, Thanks something to think about as we
go off for summer.

Speaker 11 (01:12:41):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Enjoy your summer. Sav you enjoy the tennis, Piney, you
enjoy the VIM.

Speaker 11 (01:12:46):
We'll see how that can always I always say this
time of year, I'm not going to eat too much
this Christmas falls apart tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
Okay, that's the universal story. Love chatting to you guys.
Enjoy yourselves. The commentary Box Andrew Savill, Jase and Pine
eight twenty two.

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Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Just gave you the update the death toll after the
Bondi shooting has gone up at sixteen now, including a child.
Thirty eight are injured and that includes kids who are
in ICU and the Children's hospital. Chris Min's, the new
South Wales Premier, will be giving an update in an
hour's time nine to thirty. New Zealand Times Steve Price,
our Ossie correspondent, will be with us very shortly, about

(01:14:18):
ten minutes Simon, we'll get it from him as well,
just quickly. Jeremy Clarkson. This will be a pre This
will be a problem for labor because Jeremy is the
man of the people that Jeremy has just extended the
ban on labour entering his pub to literally all of them.
It was Kirs Starmer before because this was the high
taxes business. It was just Kairs Starmer that he banned.
Now he's banned all four hundred and four labor MPs.

(01:14:39):
The only one he has given an exemption to is
Marcus Campbell Savers, who lost the whip last week after
voting against the government's plan to tax inheritors agriculture land.
So yep, it's not going to go down well with
the labour people, is it right. We're off to Australia
with Steve Price. Next News talks e beat.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
All right, Beniamin Yaw who just on the bond I shooting,
Benjamin Yaw, who has given a statement on it.

Speaker 13 (01:15:25):
I wrote your call for a Palestinian state pures full
fuel on the antisemitic fire. It rewards Hamasteris, It emboldens
those who menace Australian Jews and encourages the Jew hatred
now stalk in your streets. Anti Semitism is a cancer.
It spreads when leaders stay silent. It retreats when leaders act.

(01:15:49):
I call upon you to replace weakness with action, appeasement
with resolve. Instead, Brian Minister, you replaced weak with weakness
and appeasement with more appeasement. Your government did nothing to
stop the spread of anti Semitism in Australia. You did

(01:16:11):
nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside
your country. You took no action. You let the disease spread,
and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews.

Speaker 17 (01:16:23):
We saw today international correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance,
Peace of mind for New Zealand business all right, twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Throw away from Ryan Steve Price Ossie correspondents with US Morning.

Speaker 14 (01:16:35):
Steve Good idea tough words from Yahoozi has said that before,
but obviously in the way Heather or what happened last
night on Bondi Beach, probably the best known piece of
real estate in Australia to people who don't need to eat,
those words resonate more strongly. And I understand the Prime
Minister anth and the Company's going to speak shortly alongside

(01:16:58):
your South Wales Premier Smith's. He'll have to address that.
You can't just let that float. Netnya, who's been tough
on the Albanezi government's reaction ever since October eight, two
years ago, when a chaos we had that gathering on
the steps of the Opera House and there were chants
of either where are the Jews or gas the Jews.

(01:17:19):
There's some dispute about that, but he's now come out
even stronger again in the wake of what we're now
waking up to this morning is the worst terrorist attack
on Australian soil, as you've probably been reporting. Head of
the death tolls now up to sixteen. That includes excuse me,
one of the gunmen also includes a young child who's

(01:17:40):
passed away in the children's hospital in Sydney.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Have we steve yet cleared up the confusion as to
whether there was a third shooter or not.

Speaker 14 (01:17:48):
They say there was three. No one's cleared that up yet.
One of the shooters is dead, ones in custody. The
shooter who was in custody comes from a suburb off
Sydney which was rated last night. That's Bonnie rig the
gunman that we're not sure if he is the dead
gunman or the one in custody, but he is identified

(01:18:09):
as Navid Akram. He was the one that was grabbed
by police. They rated that properly last night, sealed off
streets and there'll be more arrests probably today. I mean, clearly,
the vision that we saw really sums up the world now.
I mean that vision of those two men standing on
that arched bridge, which I've walked over many times and

(01:18:30):
many of you listeners will have as well, to get
to the sand on Bondo Beach. That vision was chilling.
I mean to see two gunmen armed with high powered
rifles firing shots indiscriminately into that crowd that was simply
there to celebrate Harneker is just And I went to

(01:18:50):
Port Arthur when after Port Arthur. I was there the
day after, and I walked through the parts of Port
Arthur where the dead bodies were, and I'll never forget
that ever. But what I saw last night is probably
even more chilling than that. And to see that brave hero.
And I know there's been some rubbish reported online about this,
but the white t shirted member of the public who

(01:19:11):
disarmed one of those gunmen is Ahmed al Ahmed. He's
a fruit shop owner for Southwestern Sydney. He grabbed hold
of that gunman, grabbed the gun, turned the gun around,
turned the gun on the gunment himself, and then the
second shooter from the bridge fired shots at Ahmed akra
Ahmed Ahmad, and he was himself wounded and then taken

(01:19:33):
to hospital. He's in hospital now trying to recover.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Just a gunshot in the arm, though, right, nothing particularly serious.

Speaker 20 (01:19:40):
Is that?

Speaker 14 (01:19:40):
Right? Well, it's given the caliber of the weapon, I
don't know how serious, but it's pretty bad. The other
stuff that we're now finding out is just extraordinary. There
are a number of pipe bombs thrown into the crowd
that did not detonate, and police or have also found
a vehicle that was filled with an explosive device in
a car that also had not been detonated. So a

(01:20:02):
death toll of sixteen, we can thank our lucky stars
that it's not one hundred and sixteen, given that those devices,
if they had exploded in that crowd, would have killed
dozens and dozens and dozens of people.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Steve Look, is Albo going to come under pressure here
for what I guess people are framing as a lack
of action on anti Semitism.

Speaker 14 (01:20:24):
He certainly will from the Jewish community. But he's been
under that sort of pressure ever since what happened on
October seven in Gaza in Israel. Can he come under
more pressure? Probably? Was it wise of him to as
a country recognize the state of Palestine? Probably not. He
didn't need to do it. There has been a steady

(01:20:47):
rise of anti Semitism over the last two years. The
government seems to have not done a lot about it.
They did a point a person who was known as
sort of the diplomat to try and sort out what
was going on with anti Semitism. But in Sydney in particular,
but also in Melbourne, there has been March after March
every weekend of pro Palestinian forces. There's been as we know,

(01:21:11):
we've seen israel Is attacked in various ways. We've had
bombings and fires, particularly at places in Melbourne that have
caused great harm in the Jewish community. The Jewish community
today will be very frightened and very scared, as they
should be. And this is not going to just be

(01:21:34):
a one day event. This is going to resonate for
a very long time. I'll be very fascinated and I
know you play it to see what the Prime Minster
Antony Albernizi says today. Donald Trump's also spoken out in overnight.
He said it was a dreadful anti Semitic attack, that's
what he called it. A terrible attack in Australia. So
this is getting global attention. There's a vigil underway as

(01:21:54):
we speak at Australia House in London where the Jewish
community of London lighting candles and having speeches and talking
about what went on. So there's a lot more we're
going to learn in the next twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Yeah, Steve, listen, thanks very much for your time. Look
after yourself. That's Steve Price, Australian correspondent. Heither, please do
not make BONDI about race and or religion. It was
pure terrorism. End of making it for otherwise furtherest division, Catherine,
I totally take your sentiment, but you cannot pretend right
that was about race. It was targeted at the Jewish people,
and you can say it was about religion. And if
you pretend it was anything else, you're only creating the

(01:22:29):
opportunity for these things to just go completely unchecked and
carry on. You've got to put a stop to it
by calling it for what it is. Sixteen away from nine, the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
It sounds like the police in New South Wales have
arrested another man and another woman in relation to this attack.
Now I'll just remind you this is on BONDAI obviously,
just remind you. Forty five minutes from now, the New
South Wales Premier Chrismins and it sounds like Prime Minister
Alban Easy will be holding a press statement. It sounds
like the date. You're gonna don't laugh at me for

(01:23:04):
quoting you the Daily Mail, because if anybody knows what's
going on with the Royals is the Daily Mail. Daily
Mail's onto where Andrew's moving. He's going to marsh Farm apparently.
Now Marsh Farm, you won't have heard of it because
it's a bit crap. It's about seven miles west of
King Charles's lavish country estate. This is not lavish. It
has a gravel driveway and wooden gates, says the Daily Mail.

(01:23:27):
A main building with two reception rooms, a kitchen, and
some outbuildings.

Speaker 14 (01:23:30):
Only two reception rooms.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
I know it's a tough life. It's a tough life
when you get cast out of your families, but family
but still get, you know, put up in a spare house.
They just got it at spare house. You've got a
spare house for Andrew at marsh Farm. Anyway, they're going
to renovate it for him because unlike the rest of us,
couldn't possibly live in a drafty old place. We need
to talk about the iPhone and the iOS update. Now,
if you are sitting there going what the actual heck

(01:23:56):
has just happened to my phone? It's buggier than normal.
You are not imagining it. The tech this is like
ioways update twenty six or something. Who cares zero point
two to be precise. Yeah, that's the one. The tech
guys say they normally see the most crashes that will
happen immediately after you have the update, but this time
it's not just immediately after the update. It just carries on.

(01:24:16):
So there is more than just what they call the
typical short term decrease in stability. They say what you
should be experiencing is an increase in cold start times,
which is like the time it takes to start the
phone or start an app. Frequency of forced restarts should
go up with you, so you get frustrated and then
you're like, you know, whatever you do, I can't remember

(01:24:37):
you double tap something and then you flick it up
or whatever, and then you shut the thing down. And
also user reports of app quality issues has increased. Apple
never admit, like, then, Apple aren't going to come out
and go, yeah, it's that one sucked, didn't it. They
never admit they've done anything wrong. But they've got some
reshuffles going up at the top of the business which
indicate that they need to sort of sort things out.
I don't know if the problems that I'm experiencing have

(01:24:59):
to do the I think they do kind of. I mean,
when you find it is ane of the worst. So
the iois update's got jammed. It's seventy five percent update
on my phone, and so it's just because it needs
a huge amount of space to do it storage, So
it's just gone like halfway through seventy five I'm stuck.
So now I've got all the storage taken up by
an iOS update that ain't happening, so I can't take photos,

(01:25:20):
send you a text if if I haven't replied to
your text, I don't even know that you've texted me.
It's just gone into like a some vulltext anyway. Ed
says he's an air to the boss who and frankly
Jason the boss who's like c sweet level and absolutely
doesn't need to deal with this. They're all going to
have to try and help me because the iOS update
is that bad.

Speaker 11 (01:25:38):
I think it's basically a flying squad that's been assigned
to yours is Okay, Yeah, I'm on Android at the moment,
so none of it's affecting me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I forget yeah. Anyway, they carry on like this. I'm
gonna be an android in a minute. So anyway, why
I'm telling you this is you're not going mad. It
is happening to you. And yes it's a first world problem,
but you're it's okay to be upset about a first
world problem. This is my inner dialogue at the moment
nine away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Heather do Busy Allen fond of my casting breakfast with
Bailey's real Estate news dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
They'd be uh, yeah, Okay, I'm gonna just say it. Okay.
I'm getting a lot of text from people saying, has
Chloe put out a staatement? Have had the Greens put
out a statement? Look fair point? Fair point as of yet,
not that I have seen, but we we we wait
to see, and we'll just leave it at that for now.
I'll tell you what I'm finding fascinating is, I don't
know if you saw this. I think was around maybe

(01:26:28):
it might have been, might have been in the papers
late yesterday. They give a little report into like how
much people are giving. This is broken down in the regions,
how much people are giving in donations and what the
size of the donations. I reckon you will never guess
the top two regions in this country for the size
of the donation, because I mean, obviously, if you're just
going to count up everybody's donations, Auckland wins because Auckland's

(01:26:48):
got the vast majority of the population here. But if
you break it down per person on average, and then
how much they are giving per person the size of
the donations, Gisbine takes it out. Gisbon takes it out,
followed shortly by Northland. Now what's the one thing that
Gisbon and Northland have in common with each other? They
are the two poorest regions in this country by like

(01:27:10):
a mile. So how what does that tell you? By
the way, the numbers were Gisbon one hundred and eight
dollars on average per donation, Northland average of one hundred
dollars per donation, the only two to break, you know,
three figures. What I find I find that fascinating. I mean,
obviously with Gisbon, part of that will be that they
had the flooding thing in whir it Or and then
the mayor set up the relief funders and a lot

(01:27:30):
of people would chuck money and stuff. But isn't that
always true? That the most generous people you ever come
across are the people who can least afford to be generous.
Five away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Trending now warehouse the real House of Fragrances.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Okay, so I'm going to get you up to speed
on everything that we know about the Bondi Beach terror
attack last night. So two men fired on people celebrating
the first night of Hanaka on the beach. One of
the shooters was shot dead by the police. The other
was arrested after also being shot. Sixteen people now are
dead and that does include a child. Forty are injured.
They're still in hospital and that includes four children. Just

(01:28:08):
moments ago, the police also arrested a man and a
woman in relation to the attack. There's also a police
operation underway in the Sydney suburb of Campsei, involving tactical
police and the Aussie Federal Police. There's one man getting
a lot of praise though, because he's definitely the standout
hero in this forty three year old Ahmed al Ahmed.
He was the man in the video who was hiding

(01:28:29):
behind the car, ran out, tackled the shooter, the one
that's still alive, and then disarmed him and this guy here,
Mustafa is Ahmed's cousin.

Speaker 24 (01:28:36):
Still he's in the hospital and we don't know exactly
what's going inside, but they said the doctor is okay,
and next two hours they let us to go in
and see Ahmed because he's still inside and the he
do the aberration, but we hope he will be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
He's a hero.

Speaker 24 (01:28:57):
He's a hero because what we see on the on
the on the social media, he's like hero shoulder. Yeah,
he shot for one in him here on the one
in his hat yep.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
And and I think, as Steve was pointing out earlier,
you know, caliber of the rifle and reasonably close range,
you'd imagine it should be a little bit nasty. By
the way, the child who has died is just it's
just been revealed as a ten year old girl. So
unfortunately there'll be some very sad families today, I would imagine,
right as I said, Chris Mins, the new South Wales Premier,

(01:29:30):
will be holding a press conference about thirty five minutes.
It's expected Anthony Albanezi will be there with him. Kerry
will keep you across it, and then of course will
be across all the details as they unfold. Throughout the day,
you have yourself a lovely day's best you can and
we'll see you tomorrow. He talks eb Christmas, Christmas, the
Knowledge of Chrystals, the.

Speaker 25 (01:29:53):
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