Full Show Podcast: 16 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tough on power, sharp on insight.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Heather Duplicy Allen on the mic, asking Breakfast with the Defender,
embraced the impossible news togs.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
He'd be morning and welcome coming up on the show today.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
The Ossie government's response to the Bondai shooting is to
tighten up even further on the gun laws and also
ask some questions of the intelligence services who decided six years.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Ago that the young shooter was not a threat.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Will get you to Australia on that Stephen Joyce is
in studio ahead of the government opening its books, going
to ask where the surplus is going.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
To be pushed out?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yet again, it's the end of the road. Unfortunately, unfortunately
for Splore. This year's festival is the final one and
we have comedian Tom Sainsbury in after eight.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Heather Duplicy Ellen in a way.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm pleased to tell you that the proposal to have
the number of jury trials in the UK is being
met with some pretty fierce resistance, to the point that
it is causing possibly the biggest mutiny against Keir Starmer yet.
And given the trouble he's already faced that saying a lot.
The problem is they think they're going to hand some
stuff to Nigel Farage. Basically on this front is well intentioned.

(01:01):
In the UK, the aim is basically to unclog the
courts that are clogged there, just like they are here,
and to do so by having the judges oversee the
lower level crimes and having juries just deal with the
big stuff like murder.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
It's well intentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I mean, on the face of it, it would seem okay,
not necessarily a good idea though, because judges are not
always the right to choice. I mean, what have we
learned in our own experience in this country In recent
years judges have gone off on their own tangent that
isn't always the same as where we are as a society.
They're going activists and they're going soft as long as
the offender can spin a sob story about their rough

(01:35):
childhood which made them a rapist. Do you remember the
case of the pew pew farmer who cut off the
little finger of the burglar whod broken into his house.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Happened about three years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
It was the third time this particular kid had broken in,
and even though this kid had got in trouble for it,
he just kept coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Nothing deterred him at all.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
So what the farmer did is last time the kid
broke in, farmer overpowered him, held him down, cut off
his little finger. Jury found that far and not guilty,
which is an outcome which divided legal experts. Are you
sure a judge would have done the same and found
him not guilty as well? Are there not times where
what society actually needs is a group of people who

(02:13):
live in the real world who can weigh up real
life risks and real life consequences and tolerance and exasperation
that we all feel about crime and then make a call,
rather than having a cloister judge who lives in a
world of theory doing that for us. Sure, all of
us want to have the court's unclogged, but cutting out
juries would have its own consequences.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
In the worship of the Bondi terror attack, the Aussie
government is looking at gun regulation again.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.

Speaker 6 (02:45):
Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
We're going to have more detail on that for you
after seven.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
And then you've got the Dems like Elhanoma who want
to use the Ossi example to start the gun control
debate in the US again.

Speaker 6 (02:58):
It is a tragedy has become a normal occurrence, not
just in the United States, but now see it in Australia.
Has worked really hard to create gun professional laws.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
As you can imagine, there's already resistance.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
It's also a reminder that gun control and the end
is not a solution. If nobody is allowed to have
guns in a country, in the end, only the bad
guys will have guns.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has also had a word
about Bondi.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
I want to reassure our Jewish communities here in the
United Kingdom that we will take every step that we
can use all of our powers to make sure they're
safe and secure as they should be.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
In other news in the UK, the farm inheritance tax
coming in next year is still being questioned after Labour
promised to exempt the working people from further tax rises.

Speaker 9 (03:49):
We have all produced unanimous reports calling for this to
be paused and rethought. You don't have to listen to me,
You don't even have to listen to the farmers out there.
You don't have to listen to the President at the NFU.
But funny do you not listen to your on party colleagues.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
In the US, the death of film director Rob Ryan
and his wife are still clouded in mystery.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
At this time. The Los Angeles Police Department is.

Speaker 10 (04:11):
Not seeking anyone as a suspect, or as a person
of interest or in any other manner.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
And we will not be doing that until we conduct
our investigation.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Now we move forward.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
They have arrested his son Nick.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Finally, more details have emerged about the hero, Ahmed al
Ahmed in Bondi.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
He was shot five times during.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
The attack when he wrestled the gun off the younger
of the show or the father of the Actually I
think it's the younger of the shooters.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
He was wrongly described as a fruit shop owner.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
In fact, he owns a tobacco and convenience store, while
the other shooter was the fruit shop owner, and a
go fund me set up for him has already passed
one point four million New Zealand dollars just in a
matter of hours, and that includes one hundred thousand dollars
donation from the Jewish billionaire Bill Ackman.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
That's news of the world.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
In ninety seconds. Turns out that the hero actually may
have been in the police.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
At some stage.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Now it's not clear if he was in the police
in Australia before becoming a tobacconist, or if he was
in the police in his native country of Syria, but
this is what his family reckons his background is, which
probably explains why he was as brave a as brave
as he was, and then b knew what to do
once he got there. Apparently before he went over to
shoot the disarm the shooter, he was fully aware, of course,

(05:19):
of how dangerous the situation was and said to somebody,
I'm going to die. Tell my family. I saved people's lives.
Fortunately he didn't die. And there are more stories of
heroism that are emerging in you know, the hours thereafter,
and I imagine we'll get a few a fair few more
of them. But one is of a mum who was
there at the festival desperately searching. Once the firing started off,

(05:41):
she started searching for her toddler, a three year old boy.
She couldn't find him, but in looking for him, she
found a little girl, not her girl, somebody else's girl,
who was screaming. So she stopped looking for her son
and lay on top of the little Girl until the
shooting stopped. Both of them are fine. Thirteen plus six.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
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Speaker 3 (06:07):
Just quickly on BONDI.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
By the way, Sydney Opera House last night was lit
up with the minora, which is the candle holder, the
Jewish candle holder that holds the seven candles, a big
thing that they do in Hannekah was projected onto the
side of the building in blue and white.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Sixteen past six make a lot of money. Gregg Smith
degenerates with us Morning Greek, Morning Heaven. Now, what do
you make of those Kiwi service sector numbers?

Speaker 11 (06:29):
Yeah, so we're talking about green shoots yesterday we were
seeing economically, but look it's not a universal trend. So yeah,
there was a readout on the services sector the ben
Z Business Use On Performance of Services Index and actually
went further into contraction. They even forty six point nine.
That's down one and a half points, not tob it's
below the long term everage and it's a little scary. Really,

(06:49):
our services sector has actually been in contraction for twenty
consecutive months, or a bit of an outlier. In that
perspective you could other developed countries. It does obviously contrasts
with some of the cas which have shown growth recently,
so there's a bit of a reality check, but it's
not all gloomy heather one area looking at bit brighter.
This is great. Heading into Christmas is retail p side

(07:09):
there fifty six that's the strongest since twenty seventeen for
in November. So as we talked about the cards spinning
out of that yesterday, that's been lifting a bit. A
light end of the tunnel for retail is a bit
probably Black Friday related. It is coming up a low base,
so we have to see what December January looks like,
but it is positive. Tourism also into a bright spot.

(07:30):
Short embers in and numbers ninety two percent of pre
COVID levels.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's good.

Speaker 11 (07:34):
Hotel can see. That's eighty three percent in November. That's
the strongest since early twenty twenty, so that's all pretty good.
This is all backed up as well by Aucan Airport yesterday,
So eighteen and eighty five thousand international passenger movements in November.
That's up four percent plenty. Heading to Queenstown here against
lots of Australians. International rivals up twenty percent year on year.

(07:54):
Short all doing well, five percent, long haul pretty steady.
Domestic is a bit softer, that's down about one percent overall,
but the main routes are holding up. So yeah, the
core services sector still struggling, but Hateley's tourism is doing well.
Heading to sum up, retails looking a bit better. It's
not going to solve all the sector's challenges, but it
will provide a little bit of welcome momentum. And I

(08:16):
was just thinking maybe another right cut wouldn't help given
all this.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, fair enough, what you would have a look at
China and it's not looking flesh there either.

Speaker 11 (08:23):
Yeah, that's right. So another bunch of data out of
there East today. Yeah, pretty weak in terms of economic numbers.

Speaker 12 (08:29):
Sex.

Speaker 11 (08:29):
The shock was retail sales. Consumers spending, they've been trying
to get the consumergain. It was just up one point
three percent in November. That's the slowest growth since outside
of the COVID crash. Expectations for nearly three percent. So
domestic demand fading again. Industrial production and that was a
little bit better, up four point eight percent, eight percent,
but even that slip fixed as set investment that was

(08:52):
down two point six percent of the member so they're
properly down, deepening further. The unemployment rate that held at
five point one percent. But they try economy. It's losing
stay either. If you look at the factors dragging down consumption,
cartels will lower and there wasn't nearly single stay and
it was a tough comperson with last year. But overall
the stories hassholes in China are reluctant to spend. Falling

(09:14):
property process are part of that story or big part
a new home processes over dono point four percent last month,
that's the third straight month everything was on the raid
Reselle process down all major cities. Sum are actually saying
we could see this dawn tea and continue for two
more years. If left alowed national residential cells, they would
do thirty two percent year and ear and now Nevervember.

(09:36):
So does leave Chornee's policy based and a bit of
a bind Beijing that seen domestic demand is going to
be the top priority next year, Well, they probably need
to sort of do a bit more than what they're
planning to turn things around quickly. So yeah, more stimuous
scenes the order of the day in China, but the
quantity needs to be substantial.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah, we've got much better news out of Japan.

Speaker 11 (09:55):
The line we've got a great story end on with Japan.
So yeah, things looking to their particular respect to business confidence.
This is the ten Can Survey, so surveys thousands of
firms across manufacturing and services. It's probably the most influential
guide for the Bank of Japan. Confidence in large manufacturers
up to plus fifteme. That's the highest in four years.

(10:16):
Optimism is raining, it's been doing so for three straight quarters.
So tariffs they appear to be handling them pretty well.
A week he ends probably boosting things as well. And
our services sector may be struggling, but Japan's is going
pretty strong. So they're non manufacturing index plus thirty four.
It's the highest since the early nineteen nineties. That's pretty good.

(10:37):
And they also plan to lift capital spending Japanese firms
do by thirteen percent this fiscal year. They expect inflation
to sit around the Bank of Japan's two percent target,
so that's also what policymakers want to see. There are
some cautionary flags to talk about your perhaps conditions softening
in the months ahead, partly due to use teriff effects,
but overall this is survey that reinforces the dominant view.

(11:00):
Looking a lot better in Japan and barring in age shock,
we're probably going to see the Bank of Japan lift
its policy rate this week. They'll be the first move
since January. And yeah, really shift away from their ultra
easy monetary policy. I suppose this is a country game
said that's in the past. It's historically been gripped by
deflation as a post inflation. But yeah, a really good

(11:20):
story there in corporate repan.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, very happy to hear that. Now give us the numbers.

Speaker 11 (11:24):
So the down a little bit softer to overnight down
point two percent in the US forty eight three seven
seven s and P five hundred down point two percent
as well six eight one five nasdack down point four percent,
twenty three one zero two for two one hundred down
one point one percent, nine seven five to one nickay
and Japan was actually down one point three percent fifty
one six eight, but that index has had a very

(11:45):
strong year. A six two hundred down point seven percent,
eighty six three five. We were flat INSECTS fifty held
at thirteen four ZEROA go down a touchdown four dollars
ninety five ounce, all down ninety two cents, fifty six
spots fifty two a bell.

Speaker 13 (12:01):
And the currencies we're down.

Speaker 11 (12:02):
Point two percent against he was dollar fifty seven point
nine Traian dollar, we're flat at eighty seven point two,
British pound forty three point threes. That's down point two percent,
and Japanese gen eighty nine point nine to nine, that's
down about point six percent.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Good stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Greg. Enjoy the
rest of your day.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
There's Greg Smith of Generate our Wealth and Key we
save as specialists on that services. Second and number that
he was just running us through just before, which at
the very starts not looking too flash. We have a
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Speaker 4 (12:40):
You know the company Rumber, this is this is the
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Speaker 3 (12:58):
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Speaker 3 (14:36):
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Speaker 4 (14:37):
Next with the services sector and the contraction. And I
think that probably the bright part of that.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
What is the bright part of that? Maybe the retail numbers.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Maybe Black Friday will have a chat to Chris Small
ABC Business sl CEO.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
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Speaker 4 (15:23):
Be I can see why the Aussie voters might be
cross about this expenses scandal over in Australia and what
the MP's are spending because you know, as I've been
keeping you abreast of it for the last few days,
it seems that it goes from bad to worse. The
latest is that the Energy minister has racked up. He
headed over to Azerbaijan in Turkey to go and do

(15:44):
his best to try and get the cop conference over
in Australia, because that's exactly what you want, is like
I mean, obviously for the money, it would be fantastic
ten you know, ten thousand people flying into the country
to talk.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
About hot air.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
But while he was over there in Asia, he spent
or Central Asia, he spent six twenty two thousand dollars
just on his phones. It cost him thirty thousand dollars
to get there, which he already thought was excessive. If
he thought that is excessive, what about the sixty two
thousand dollars bill which came in He thought problem was
he thought he had roaming and he didn't have roaming.

Speaker 17 (16:16):
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Speaker 3 (16:19):
Out, as expensive as you remember it. Being twenty two
away from seven is the giv to b's got some
sober readings for the services sector.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
New bn Z Business New Zealand data shows the Services
index has slipped to forty six point nine. That's for November.
Anything below fifty means it's contracting. This is at its
worst level in six months. And Chris Small is ABC
Business our CEO and with us morning.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Chris, well, are you here there?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You going very well?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
This is a bit of a surprise.

Speaker 18 (16:44):
It is a surprise to you again where he is
a surprise. I thought that, you know, the worst of
it been seen in winter and all the new data
that we'd seen suggested that winter was a low point
and then this sort of just banged us yesterday or
the day before. I think it was so slightly surprising,
But there are I think one thing that's not covered
here is the regional landscape in New Zealand. And I

(17:04):
think if you looked at the South Island numbers in isolation,
you probably see they're going quite well. And then if
you look at Auckland and Wellington, which sort of the
service hubs, they aren't going so well. And obviously the
South Island's driven by that. You know, it's the primary
and negri sector which is really flying and helping that
part of New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
So the PSI for accommodation, cafes and restaurants. Looks if
you look at it, okay at fifty eight point eight,
but actually that's still below the average of sixty one
point ot. Now, what do you put that down to.
Is that simply we don't have the discretionary cash we
used to have.

Speaker 18 (17:37):
Look, that's certainly what it's suggesting. But you know, we've
got a number of clients in that sector, and a
number of them are actually reporting really strong, really strong
run into Christmases. So I think in that sector in particular,
then you probably not yourself hether when you're walking down
Pinks r. There's there's some operators who are really strong
and going well, and then there's some that are answer
these real winners and losers in that sector, and probably

(17:59):
not too many in the middle. So there's certainly many
operators are going really well, but if you're not producing
something that customers want, you really are struggling. So touch
more of a winners and losers rather than a consistent
everyone's down.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Now, now the retail number strongest in eight years down
to Black Friday.

Speaker 18 (18:17):
Look a little bit of that, but also think those
lower interest rates are starting to kick in and I
think when you think about your own spending, as soon
as you start seeing a little bit of extra money
in your bank account each week, you're probably going to
hit the shops first, and then you might hit your
services second. I think that's a bit of a leading
indicator that actually, you know what, we have hit the
bottom and things are slowly turned around, and services is

(18:37):
just going to be the legging factor I think.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
I mean, some people have looked at these numbers I've
seen already and they've gone, jeez, I don't know what
this is for the outlook for economic recovery next year?

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Are you doing that as well?

Speaker 18 (18:49):
Look when you look at there's one number that stands
out there. So the strongest number within that report was
the new order number. So that's that's the most forward
locking indicator you've got. And that's the high I said's
at forty nine percent, So it's still it's only just
below fifty, which, as you rightly said, is the sort
of midpoint anything above that expansion. So I think with

(19:09):
all our customers that we talk to, whether it be childcare, gyms, hospitality,
they're all they're all thinking that they've had the worst
of it and things are starting to be on the
improve in twenty twenty six is going to be a
far better year. So I think if you really read
them between the numbers, the most forward looking indicator is
the strongest, and regional wise used to be no walk
from the Warrington, the struggling, but they will come back

(19:31):
and they'll follow the lead from from the south fall
into it, sort of benefiting from the primary and egg
receptor is the way we look at it.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Oh, that's fantastic news.

Speaker 19 (19:38):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
You look after yourself.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
It's always good to talk to you, Chris Small, ABC
Business Sales CEO. Right, let's go next to France with
Catherine nineteen away from seven.

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Speaker 4 (19:53):
Right, So it turns out this is really really the
BONDI shooting it father and son, as you well know.
Turns out that the Sun had actually come across the
radar of the domestic spy agency the AZO in Australia
in about October twenty nineteenth, around about six years ago.
And this was on account of the fact that he
had been in contact with somebody who was reasonably well
connected in the in the I community and whatnot. They

(20:16):
had a look at him, they thought, asked, Guy's not
It's just an acquaintance, not a big deal, not a
threat at all, and they shut the thing down and
they hadn't checked on him since then. Obviously bad call.
But is it an understandable bad call to have made?
Is this just one of those things you couldn't possibly prevent.
We'll have a chat to an intelligence expert out of
Australia for you. After seven. It's sixteen to.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Two International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of
mind for New Zealand business and out of.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
France, we have Catherine Field. Morning Catherine, Good morning, Heather.
Now this business with the farmers is in its third day, isn't.

Speaker 12 (20:46):
It It is indeed, I mean, I know we're used
to seeing farmers protesting and driving their tractors through the
streets of Paris angry about prices, but this one's a
little difficult. It involves herds that have been affected by
lumpy skin disease. Now this is something that all cattle
farmers know about, but for the general public it's come

(21:09):
as something new. It's a viral disease that affects cows.
As it's cattle, it can't be past your humans. But
it's fatal for cattle spread by insects, flies, mosquitoes. Now,
what the French government have done since they discovered this
first case back in June, they have been quite heavy handed,

(21:30):
the farmers are saying, in imposing the culling of herds
in which there are cases of this disease among the cattle.
Now farmers are saying, hey, surely you don't need to
cull all of the herd. This is terrible. Farmers already
having a hard time, and now the French government has said, well,
you know, this is what we're doing, but we're also

(21:52):
for cows cattle nearby there, say, in about a fifty
kilometer radius. They are going to be vaccinating those cattle. Now,
so far they're vaccinated one million, there's another million to go,
they say. But they're saying, you know, farmers are just saying, look,
you know, this is just heavy handed. Culling is not

(22:13):
only bad for the industry, bad for farmers, but it's
a terrible thing for a farmer to have to look
at at the end of the day that the government
is saying, look if unchecked, this could affect about one
and a half million cattle in France and it's about
ten percent of the national herd. And they so they're
quite prepared to sit down and talk about it, but
for the time being they're going to follow the lead

(22:34):
of Italy and also Spain. And when there is even
just one affected cow in the herd, then the whole
lot gets Lord, it's rough.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Now where are we at with the EU deciding whether
the plant based foods can be sold as burgers or sets,
sausages or steak or whatnot.

Speaker 12 (22:50):
They come't they cannot decide whether who is that complicated?
Is it burger or burger? Is the sausages?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Is a steak a steak?

Speaker 12 (23:02):
Now they've been asked to decide is it a veggie burger?
Is it our vegan sausages? Vegan sausages? Essentially, what the
big farming lobbies are saying that you've got to protect
meat names, label it as it is, keep the tradition,
keep clarity, preserve the true meaning of a sausage, true

(23:23):
meaning of a burger. Now you plant based foods, they say,
should not be sold as making meat. They're potentially different.
So but you know, and did you even see last
week we had former beetle Paul McCartney came out and
said let veggie burgers be. That was just incredible. Now

(23:43):
the big retail is in Germany, which is Europe's largest
market for these plant based foods, have said, listen, just
let it go. Consumers know all about this. Days have
moved on, Consumers know what they're buying. There's a whole
broad package of measures that protect these food is that
properly labeled?

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Let it go?

Speaker 12 (24:01):
But no, HEATHERA is all going to have to go
back to the drawing board next year, and they're gonna
have to come back together and then decide, of course
whether or not included in that list, whether liver or
remain liver and ham for remain od sake.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
I mean, Catherine, there has to be a correlation, doesn't
there between a society getting this worked up about words
and its own downfall.

Speaker 12 (24:22):
Don't you think it does seem odd that after all
these years, that when we've had plant based foods on
our supermarket shelves, that and there's so much else happening
in Europe at the moment, you all know.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Like war.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Listen, Katherine, can I just say thank you very much
because I realized this is the last time for the
year that you're going to be on the Mike Hostling
Breakfast Show. So thank you for you know, from my perspective,
obviously mostly listening, it has been a delight to listen
to you, and I'm sure for Mike it's been a
delight to chat to you.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
So thank you for the year.

Speaker 12 (24:53):
Oh, thank you, and I hope you have a lovely Christmas.
And I missed that New Zealand summer.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Oh well, you know, come back and have have a
who it's still here, casin Field, France correspondent. Listen Helmut Marco.
I don't know if you've caught this, but he's this
is the outgoing red Bull chief. He reckons Max for
stapp and he's had a little word about this and
said Max for Stappan would have won this year's championship
had Christian Horner left earlier. Simply they should have got
rid of Horner sooner. We would have gotten things back

(25:19):
on track faster. This year Max would have become the
world champion. I'm absolutely convinced of it. Those last years
with Horner weren't pleasant. Dirty tricks were played, he said,
ten away from seven.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Heather Duplicy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast We're the
defender and used Tom sad b.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Listen, I've got a.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Toading a city council this morning. Now I've got to
call them out for this. And I don't want to
be harsh to toting a city council because I know,
I know, you know there's good people working in city councils.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I know, I know it's surprising to hear that, but
it is the case.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
But what's happened is, if you haven't been keeping abreast
of this, there has been quite the kerfuffle going on
in toadunger about the asphalt. Because of what's gone on
is the developers, originally in various parts of the city
like Pappamore, laid all the streets with asphalt as they
made it really nice and people buy it, you know,
try sell the houses and stuff. But of course a
road only lasts so long, a street only lasts so long,

(26:12):
and then you've got to reseal it. And toting a
city council doesn't have as much money as the developers
because you know, it's a council. So it's decided to
go for the cheaper option of resealing it with chipseeal.
Now you know, the cost benefit analysis of chipseeal apparently
totally makes it, totally makes sense. But of course the
residents don't love it because now you kids can't ride

(26:33):
their skateboards on the street, and it's noisy outside, and
there's stones being flicked up, and the whole thing is
more unpleasant.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
So they've been complaining about it.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Toting a city council has struck a compromise with them,
which I think is toting a city council playing silly buggers.
They have just written to about four hundred households of
seven Toadunger streets and told them, happy to.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Lay the asphalt if that's what you want, Happy to do.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
It, if you could just confirm by December nineteen, which
is this week, this Friday, that you'll prepare to pay
four thousand, one hundred dollars by January twelve.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Happy to do that.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Now, who has got who's just like over Christmas time?
Yet banks sweet has no problem. Here's four thousand dollars
you send to your council. That's not going to happen.
But even more so, how could you possibly expect that
one hundred percent of the four hundred plus properties are
going to pat You can see that's not going to happen,
right Todunger City Council knows that's not going to happen,

(27:28):
so they game. They're just playing pretend. I think the
people of todong I just need to get used to
the idea. That's the chip sal coming at you six
away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (27:43):
Okay, do these numbers surprise you?

Speaker 4 (27:45):
The Public Health Communications Center has provided a briefing on
cycle ways that they say show cycle ways provide positive
economic returns alongside health and safety benefits. Now, as part
of the briefing, they surveyed kiwis on their thoughts on
cycle ways.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Forty one percent of us said we would support.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
More investment into cycle ways. Thirty five percent of us
said nah, don't spend any more on them. Crucially, though,
twenty four percent said they were either neutral or unsure,
So that is a big chunk that could swing it
either way. Cycle Ways were more popular and more investment
was wanted among these groups. Younger people, Maori other ethnic
groups and those in the higher income brackets.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
There was also higher levels.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Of support among those who considered themselves center left voters.
None of that, of course, in the latter part of
that surprises you. It's just the forty one percent the
plurality who want more investment in the cycle ways, which
probably we would want.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
To interrogate a little bit more, wouldn't we.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Hither, I can't believe your ignorance around naming artificial meat.
Already in some countries artificial meats are getting passed off
as real animal protein. Farmers have a right to protect
their industry and the okay, my problem with it is
if you have a plant based product that looks like
a patty and is designed to be a replacement of
a patty in a burger, like here I am with

(29:01):
my That's all I'm doing, by the way, is my
little beef burger with my beef patty. But you want
to eat a burger and you want to not have meat,
and so you're gonna put a plast backplant, then surely
to god it makes sense that we call it a
plant based patty. We go, this is a patty that's
not really a patty made of meat, and surely as
adults we can see the difference. Like, I don't know
about you, but if you see a plant based steak,

(29:23):
like you're going to look at that and go, what
the hell's wrong?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
That's what that nah? So I think you can kind
of use your common sense.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
I just think if we're going to get this tied
up about words, we're really focusing on the wrong thing.
As Catherine said, Hello, there's potentially a war about to happen.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
How about you focus on that.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
And this is why they wanted this is why the
UK wanted to get out of the EU. You can
sort of understand it anyway, listen. One of the things
that has emerged as a result of the Bonde shooting,
of course, is the questions around intelligence. The Israelis claim
that there may be links through to Iran and that
Iran was behind this. Will have a chat to a
security expert and just get a sense of whether that
is true or not. But also Charles Croutcher, our Australia correspondent,

(30:02):
will just run us through the latest m BONDAI and
in Australia News TALGSB.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
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Speaker 2 (30:19):
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Speaker 3 (30:29):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has announced tougher gun laws
following the Bondi terror attack. Charles Croucher is Channel nine's
chief political editor and is with.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Us morning Charles Morning.

Speaker 19 (30:39):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
Okay, what are we talking about here? Limiting the number
of guns, checking gun owners more regularly.

Speaker 20 (30:45):
Yeah, that's the two headline ones, particularly following one of
the attackers that appears to have normally just been a
license gun owner but owned six licensed guns. Now, the
argument from the Prime Minister and the state premiers is
that's just too many without justifiable reasons. So that will
be part of the restrictions, cutting down on the number
of guns someone can known. There's also be more regular

(31:07):
checks on those good licenses. And one other sort of
element God added towards the end of the discussions in
National Cap yesterday was you have to be an Australian
citizen rather than just resident to become an Australian gun owner.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Interesting.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Okay, what are the questions that are likely to be
asked about the competence of the intelligence agencies here.

Speaker 20 (31:27):
Well, it's a couple of questions. Firstly, what was missed?
If anything was missed? Mike Burgess, our AZO, that is,
our secret intelligence organization boss has been warning about the
potential for anti Semitic attacks for a while now our
terror threat level was it probable? But the question is
how do you were their red flags? Were there anything

(31:49):
of interest among these two men? One of them had
been investigated for some peripheral preferral links to Islamic state,
but that's six or seven years ago. So did they
drop off the with the checks not frequent enough? And
then clearly there was planning that went into this. Is
it something that was just known by the two men?
What to the rest of their family know and their associates, colleagues, etc.

(32:12):
And then obviously the big challenge how to prevent something
like this happening again? I mean New Zealand is all
tool where sadly of the confusion that happens in an
event like this, and the not not blame game, but
just the questions that are left unanswered of how in
countries like ours people can be driven to such hate

(32:34):
and such horrible actions.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
How much trouble is Anthony Albinizi and his government and
for sitting on that anti Semitism and Envoys report for
about six months and doing nothing.

Speaker 20 (32:45):
It's a flashpoint. I mean, there was a couple of
changes made. I went through Jillian Siegel's report again yesterday
to see if there were anything in there. The question
that can't be answered by particularly those really critical of
the Prime Minister at the moment, is what actual change
could have been made that could have prevented this. There
is a discussion of greater infrastructure and greater protection around

(33:08):
Jewish institutions, given this untaker event was happening in an
unusual place in a park. Effectively, this is a celebration.
Could security have been better, clearly it could have, but
even that wasn't a specifically spelled out in beyond Boys reports.
So there will be big questions. I mean that the
number one job of the governments to keep their citizens

(33:28):
safe and that has clearly failed this time around. Whether
there is a long lasting impact on the Prime Minister not,
But it will be largely defined by what the actions
are taken in the coming days and weeks. And I
think beyond all the tragedy. The Prime Minister was fully
aware of that yesterday when he called that many national

(33:49):
cad In terms of a response in gun laws for
the gold standard in Australia was John howard response to
port Arthur a generation ago that the semi automatic rifles
were banned. So I think that's what everyone's expecting something
similar this time around, with various the scope to do
something as bold, it's probably not, but some action, some

(34:11):
effort to prevent this from happening again is necessary.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Charles, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Look after yourself. That's Charles Croucher, nine News chief Political.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Editor Kell du for see alis.

Speaker 12 (34:22):
So.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Questions are of.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Course being raised about possible intelligence failings. As was just mentioned,
the Sun was across the radar of the Domestic Spy
Agency AZO as early as October twenty nineteen. They decided
though he was not a threat.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Now.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Doctor Michael Zacculin is the senior Lecturer of Terrorism and
Radicalization at the Australian National University.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Morning, Michael, Hi, how are you very well? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Deciding he was not a threat in retrospect was a
massive misjudgment.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
How did they get it?

Speaker 20 (34:46):
So wrong.

Speaker 16 (34:49):
Well, you have to take into account the fact that
that at the time they're probably watching dozens and dozens
of people, and so basically you have to make decisions
about who you believe eve is the most relevant threat
at that time, and in this case, he didn't meet
that criteria. And unfortunately, this is something that we've seen

(35:09):
time and time again if you go back and look
over the past sort of a couple of years in
other countries as well, is that often these individuals are
known or on the periphery for police or in law
enforcement and intelligence agencies. But the reality is is that
they're having to watch so many people and make decisions,
and other people are deemed to be more of a threat.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
Does this I mean, does this mean that he took
whatever it was that he was consuming that radicalized him
offline so that whatever he was doing online wasn't triggering
the intelligence guys.

Speaker 16 (35:42):
Oh, well, that depends. I mean. One of the things
that's very interesting about this case is the fact that
the father and son duo. The key is going to
be what happened sort of within that family. So was
this a case where the father also had extremist beliefs
and throughout this entire person's childhood. They were sort of,

(36:03):
you know, that they were exposed to these types of ideas.
It's less likely, but it's also possible that the son
sort of brought the father along. If you think about
the relationship between a father and son, just like sort
of any relationship, there's a power dynamic there and we
have seen that previously in other cases. You talk about

(36:25):
the Boston bombers, for example, who were brothers and one
was clearly radicalized and then brought the other brother along.
In Canada, there's the case of the Cotter family in
the two thousands, where essentially the father dragged along all
of his children into extremism. So it does happen, but
that's gonna be one of the interesting dynamics that they're

(36:45):
going to have to sort out is what was going
on within that family.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
There are claims that Iran may have been involved in
this in some way or but behind it is that
likely to be nonsense or to be possible.

Speaker 16 (36:57):
Well, you're going to you know, look under every stone
and to make the determination. There have been suggestions here
that some of the earlier anti semitism attacks over the
past sort of a year or so involved relationship between
members of the IRG, the Revolutionary Garden Iran and organized crime.
Here again the extent to what that is, you know,

(37:20):
how high up these people are in the food chain
are sort of either way formally or informally. That hasn't
become public yet. But again you're going to turn over
sort of every single, every single storm to make a
determination of what happened here.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
All right, Hey, Michael, thank you, Doctor Michael Zaculan, Senior
lecturer of Tourism and Radicalization at Australian National University.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Heather Dupasy got some new information.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
On the Tom Phillips documentary that is being filmed by
Dame Julie Christi. The working title this is, according to
some documents the Heralds managed to obtain from police working
title the matter Korpa project expected to screen on an
international streaming platform like Netflix Disney. The police have in
signing the contract with Dame Julie Christie managed to secure

(38:06):
the ability to preview the documentary and to edit the documentary.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Now that's fine whatever.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
However, what you should be aware and I'm not saying
that they're going to try to skew things to kind
of cast themselves in the best light here, but it
does leave that open as an availability, right. So it's
a little bit like Clark being in charge of the
Justinda documentary. You sort of get one view of things
if you're in charge of it. They do need to
this is Dame Julie Christie, and then they need to
seek the arrangement of family members in order to make

(38:35):
sure that they want to be part of this. The
documentary will screen in twenty twenty seven at the absolute earliest.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Importantly, it is subject to court proceedings.

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Speaker 3 (38:54):
Governments opening the books today.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Obviously a big thing we're looking for there is where
the surplus gets pushed out by another year. So Steven Joyce,
former Finance Minister, will be in studio with us after
half past. It's eighteen past seven now. Spira Thought for
Students job Hunting at the moment got new data from
Student Job Search which shows there were nearly fifty thousand
applications in November that is up thirteen percent year on year.

(39:16):
Luis Avaca is the chief executive of Student Job Search.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
And is with US now. Hi Louise Mary Mate. That
sounds a bit demoralizing, is it.

Speaker 21 (39:25):
Well, look, it's fantastic to see so many applications coming in.
Students are keen and eager to work, and the job
market itself is recovering. So there are four two hundred
jobs available for students in November, which is also up
fifteen percent compared to twenty twenty four. So when we're
talking about the volume at the tail end of twenty
twenty five, we're continuing to see really strong recovery around

(39:49):
the volume for student employment. But the main issue, or
the flip side of this is that the student employment
landscape has completely changed, and while we have the volumes
back to pre COVID levels, the nature of the employments
shifted to more short term and casual work, which means
students need even more jobs to make up the necessary
hours to fund their study in life.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I mean, look, if I'm looking for a silver lining here,
would it be that this kind of tough process separates
the whek from the chaff and sort of teaches you
how to sell yourself to an employer.

Speaker 21 (40:20):
Well potentially, and students are so eager you can see
from the level of applications that students are really keen
to be working. They're absolutely fantastic resource, they're innovative, fantastic
problem solvers, they're just brilliant. We just hired six recently
at Student Job Search and they just lifted the place
so incredible. They're really hard working, diligent, they got.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
The job done.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
What do you guys give the kids advice on how
to land a job? And if you do, what is
the key piece of advice we do?

Speaker 21 (40:49):
And we really encourage students at this tough time to
just keep persisting. You jump on our websites, continue to
apply for jobs, sharpen up the CV work networks, and
just possessed and take on any opportunity. What we know
is that once students get a start, then it often
leads to more work or something else down the line.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, very good advice, Louise, Thanks very much, Louis Savaca,
chief executive at Student Job Search. Right, let's get back
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Speaker 1 (42:35):
Ever, dup cl whether I saw the clip.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Of the Bondi father and son shooters, and I was
surprised at the speed that the father was working, the
volt of the bolt action rifle.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
He was using.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
It seems that it's possible he may have had some training,
which has been suggested by people who have had a
look at the video as well and said, this guy
knows what he's doing. Seven twenty four Now, on the
businesses of Australia tightening up its gun laws, it does
feel a little bit like this runs the risk of
distracting from the bigger problem that they've actually got over there.
I mean, I think guns were not the biggest problem
on Sunday. Australia already has some of the tightest gun

(43:06):
laws in the world. This is actually a race relations
and religious problem over there. This attack was predictable. There
was no shortage of warnings that this might happen. Jewish
synagogues in the last few years have been set alight.
You've had the synagogues attacked, the businesses attacked, obviously Jewish people,
people who look obviously Jewish have been hassled. Israeli people

(43:26):
have been denied customer service. In Melbourne, cars have been
set alight in an anti Semitic attack. Two nurses, you
might recall in Sydney lost their jobs for bragging on
TikTok that they would kill Jewish patients. Now there is
a timeline that Time magazine has printed on its website
of all of the events in the last few years
leading up to Sunday, and it is actually confronting how

(43:46):
much has been going on. The Albanesi government knew there
was a problem brewing. They asked the Special Envoy on
Anti Semitism to give them a set of recommendations. For
the last six months that they've had those recommendations, they've
done basically nothing about it. So tightening up the gun
laws is what they're doing as a knee jerk thing.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Now, that is not a bad thing.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Checking up a license holder every few years rather than never,
it has got to be a good thing. But if
the Aussies think that what's just been announced is the
fix for what has just happened on Sunday, they are
misguided and they are allowing themselves to be distracted from
what is a very very big problem in their country. Ever,
do for see Ellen One of the very interesting things
that we were actually watching happen yesterday and didn't have

(44:28):
time to mention it was that, like almost immediately, social
media started pumping out fake stories about the Bondi shooting.
The most interesting one, I think was the fake story
about who the hero was, the guy who disarmed the shooter.
The fact that he was actually himself an Arab from
originally from Syria was erased and so instead of being

(44:48):
Ahmed al Ahmed, social media said it was a chap
with an English name Edward Crabtree. And somehow some body
or social media or AI god only knows, had concocted
an entirely fake article about the sky and he turned
into a forty three year old IT professional who was
in hospital and was giving an interview from the hospital
bed and talking about how he didn't think and he

(45:10):
just acted and what. Anyway, the article was from Iceland,
not even in Australia. The other fake story was that
the shooter was a former soldier in the IDF, the
Israeli Defense Force, who'd lost his mind after being stationed
in Gaza or third fake story is that it was
a false flag operation being done by Israel in order
to kind of whip up.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
You know, I don't know sympathy for Jewish people anyway.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
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Speaker 4 (46:01):
He's got himself a little TV show based on one
of his podcasts, and he's going to be with us
after eight o'clock. Right now, it is twenty three away
from eight. The government's going to open the books today
with a half year economic and fiscal update at one
o'clock this afternoon. Sounds like there is a chance we
could get be surprised to the positive, but it sounds
like there is a chance that Nikola Willis is going
to push the surplus out yes again in Stephen Joy's,

(46:21):
former finance minister, is with us in studio.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Morning Stephen morning, how are you. I'm very well, thank you,
thanks so much for coming in. It's lovely to see you.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
How do you rate the chance she pushes out surplus.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh look, she might.

Speaker 13 (46:33):
It doesn't matter too much either way. And I say that,
which just sounds weird. But as Bill English used to say,
you know, just getting to surplus is it's like landing
a seven four seven on an aircraft carrier. The actual
moment of arrival of surplus one year earlier, one year later,
there is such big numbers that it's the difference between

(46:54):
two very big numbers as to whether you're actually in surplus.
So I think more more important is the direction of travel.
Is are we bending down the cost of government? And
is revenue coming up now, whether it's twenty seven eight,
twenty eight, twenty nine, twenty nine thirty. Finally, it's probably
not going to make.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
You don't think the pace of travel is really important?

Speaker 13 (47:16):
To say, the pace of travel is very important. But
one year either way. My point is that one year
either way at all.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
But the reason I'm asking you that because if it
happens again, it's not one year either way, it's three
years either way, because it will be that Nikola has
pushed it out by three years in total in the
space of two years, which.

Speaker 13 (47:31):
I well, But again a couple of things. The size
of the increase of spending was phenomenal. I mean, if
you look at a graph which shows spending when I
left office, you know it was like twenty The debt
was twenty percent of GDP and now it's forty five

(47:52):
in the forties. Yeah, So the amount of ramping up
of expenditure of the government I don't think has We've
got similar things in the living memory. So then you've
got to try and bend that down. And with the best.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Weemed it, why not cut it? If it's gone up
so fast, like, up so high so fast, can you
not bring it down just as as fast?

Speaker 13 (48:14):
And that's the that's the Ruth Richardson argument. I know,
absolutely and yeah, and you could do more, but you
get very quickly to teach us salaries and health salaries.
That's because they're big chunks, right, and you can do
a bit in the structure in Wellington, and they are
I would argue probably early on they should have done more,

(48:37):
but they were probably getting their heads around the whole
place because they were new. That's not an excuse, but
I'm just saying that it takes a while to wrestle
the beast, so they could have done more in that
but you know Wellington's Wellington's been in desperate negative economic
straits for a while even with what they've done, so
it is it is challenging to wrestle that machine down

(49:00):
once it's got up such a huge head of steam.
Now it's currently expenditures running about thirty two percent of
thirty about thirty two percent of GDP or it's heading
towards that way now. We had it down at about
twenty nine, so it's about three percent.

Speaker 17 (49:13):
Is that core expenditure, that's government.

Speaker 13 (49:15):
Expenditure, core expenditure. So it's got to get back to
around that under thirty level, and that does take time. Now,
if you remember, take Bill English's time as Finance Minister.
He had eight of the nine years I got. The
last one he spent eight years after the Canterbury earthquakes
and the GFC wrestling that thing back into surplus. And

(49:38):
some of the commentators go on like he never had
a surplus. Well, he did all the hard work, and
they say, oh, Stephen Joyce had a surplus. Yeah, and
that was lucky because after the eight years of hard work,
I reaped the benefit of it. It takes a huge
amount of time. Now, none of this has excuses. Yes,
I've got to keep the pressure on. But then on
the other side of the aisle there's you know, there's
an outfit that really wants to get back and to
spend some more money again, and they're trying to be

(50:01):
sensible about it, but the reality is they would spend more.
This is a big job to wrestle this thing under
control today is not going to make anybody excited in
a positive way. Taxpayers' Union is going to go out,
It should be happening faster. The Left will be either
keeping very quiet or criticizing the moves that have been made.

(50:21):
So Nikola Willis has just got to put her head
down and this is the hard yards, and the hard
yards are going to run for another couple of years.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
Yeah, okay, we've got also this week, excuse me, I've
got the GDP. And obviously we're expecting a big bounce
back in Q three after what was terrible in Q two.
But the revision of Q two I think might be
a really interesting yan as well. Are you expecting a
big revision here?

Speaker 13 (50:42):
Not particularly, And the quarterly figures do bounce around a lot.
We know it was a pretty average year. We know
next year is going to be better. The question is
how much?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
What do you think.

Speaker 13 (50:52):
I think it'll be a bit better. There's a couple
of things that worry me. There's the American economy and
something weird happening there, because there's plenty weird happening at
the moment, so that's a possibility. And then the other
one that worries me a little bit as a state
of the energy sector. And I think we've gone quiet
on that because it's summer and it's not an issue.
But I suspect we're going to have more challenges with

(51:14):
electricity prices and the availability of energy at a reasonable price,
and that's going to be a bit of a handbrake
on the economic recovery. But I think overall will get better.
But it's not going to help the government's fiscal books
yet because that's that's all trailing. So the tax take
and the decline and things like benefit payments doesn't happen

(51:35):
until the economy's really back on its feet, so the
government's not going to reap the benefit of that next
year yet.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
So would you say next year is good?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Because this is Simon Bridges argument, is that, yep, we're
going to have an improvement, but it is not going
to be blockbuster, and you need to good your loins
and calm your farm.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It's going to feel a bit hard.

Speaker 13 (51:51):
It won't be a blockbuster, but it will feel pretty
good relative for the last year.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I think it will feel good.

Speaker 13 (51:55):
We'll feel a lot better than the last three years.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Now.

Speaker 13 (51:58):
It's been really tough. A lot of businesses have done
it really really tough over the last three or four
years since COVID. Basically they had that sugar rush and
they had problems with supply and you know, a lot
of balance sheets have been very badly damage. And that's
one of the reasons we haven't gone well out of
this last recession is that a lot of companies had

(52:18):
much worse balance sheets than they had, say after the GFC,
and so they've struggled to get on their feet and
invest in the future. They're now starting to do that.
Confidence is starting to build. But yeah, it's going to
be it's going to be better, but not it's not
going to be a rockstar economy to a corner raise.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Not for a while, but hopefully soon. Now, have you
got anything nice planned for summer?

Speaker 13 (52:39):
Yeap, sit on a beach have the family around for
Christmas in all.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And arllmal stuff brilliant.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I'm so pleased to hear it. You take yourself a
lovely break and thank you for coming in. Stephen tret
to chat you.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Steven Joyce, former Finance Minister. Sixteen away from eight The.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
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Speaker 4 (52:59):
It's so wonderful to here Stephen Joyce again, it was
nice to have a Jatum mayhither. Is there any word
from Chloe or the Greens about the attacks now? Look, no,
nothing just yet. And I think while I just feel
like it is important to reiterate this, this has got
nothing What's happened in Australia has got nothing to do
with us A. It's got nothing to do with the
Green Party. It's got nothing to do with what's going

(53:20):
on in this country. This is not an US problem. However,
it does kind of There are fair questions to ask
here about the tolerance that we have had as Western
liberal democracies for some of the stuff that gets said
at some of these protests, and Chloe has been name
checked for not calling out quite radical things like people

(53:40):
who have banners, display banners or say globalize the Intofada,
which you know, if you don't know what that means,
it basically means, you know, kill Jewish people around the world.
Not calling that out then is a tolerance for it,
and so questions probably need to be asked about, like
you need to tone down because the Greens need to
tone down the retric in this stuff.

Speaker 20 (53:59):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
So anyway, no, she hasn't spoken about it. She will though,
of course it's a sitting day in Parliament today, it's
the first sitting day of the week. She will presumably
be doing the bridgewalk that they do at two o'clock
or harpus one or whatever it is, and be asked
some questions about it.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
So stand by to hear from her today.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I'd imagine, listen, got to tell you about this weird
thing that's happening in the US. Apparently really really really
wealthy like billionaire level wealthy Chinese businessmen are having hundreds
and hundreds of surrogates in the US, and not hundreds
and hundreds each, but in some cases some of them
are having up to one hundred surrogate babies in the US.

(54:33):
Now we know about this because this has been going
through the courts in the US for a couple of years,
and for the first time one of the judge's decisions
has been reported by media over there, and it's the
case of a video game executive whose name is Jubo,
who's had a hundred kids, and he went to court
seeking parental rights to four of these unborn children, and
the courts have declined. They said, na, you actually do

(54:56):
not have the right of a parent to these children.
You've had nothing, apart from obviously donating your sperm, nothing
to do with them, and it's leaving the kids in
a very legally weird place. He already has these four
that are being born, has another eight that they know of,
and potentially up to one hundred. He said he wants
to have all of the boys the children be boys,
because boys are superior to girls, and then he wants

(55:18):
the boys to one day take over his business. And
how this basically runs over the US is that the
babies are born via surrogate and then they're raised by
Nanni's over there as they await paperwork to travel back
to China, and he doesn't meet them at the time.
And this is so like up to the time that
they arrive. In China, this is so widespread in the US,
by the way, there are so many Chinese business people

(55:40):
who are now doing it. Some of them just you know,
unable to have children, just want a couple of kids
like normal people. Some of them doing like kookie things
like having ten girls because they want to marry them
off to powerful men. So much of this was going
on that there is many a thriving mini industry in
the US. There are surrogacy agencies, law firms, clinics, delivery agencies,
nanny services will pick the newborns up from the hospital

(56:03):
as soon as they arrive. Costs up to two hundred
thousand dollars per charter. The whole thing is completely nuts
and has been happening and apparently like underneath everyone's noses.
No one's even really fully aware of it. But now
that they are, looks like they're going to crack down
on it. And you can see for good reason. How
bizarre though, isn't it anyway? Explore next last year of
It ten away from Ete.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Heather Duper s Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with
Bailey's real estate news talks Eddie.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Heather Aren't Boys superior to Girls Mars. Conversation for another time, mate, possible,
but definitely a conversation seven away from eight. Now we
have an end of an era for the iconic Splore Festival.
The owners have announced this morning that next that this
year's festival actually will be the last, citing lower than
hoped ticket sales. Now John Minty explores festival owner and

(56:49):
is with us morning.

Speaker 5 (56:49):
John, Heather, nice to be talking to her this morning.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Yeah, it's lovely to have a chat to you mate,
Thank you, although although on a sad subject, I mean
this must have been a tough call.

Speaker 18 (56:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
I've been involved in sport for twenty years and Spores
has been running twenty seven years, so long it's running
festival in New Zealand. It is a beautiful event. Everyone
that comes and totally enjoys it, and I always had
this vision that it would last forever, long after me.
But yeah, just the last couple of years the market
seems to have changed. We're not selling sufficient tickets to

(57:20):
make it financially viable and the writing seemed to be
on the wall. Tickets have been quite slow this year,
so I just thought, well, you know, if we can't
sustain it, let's just wrap it up next year and
have one big party of celebration.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
John, are you doing? Are you being premature and making
this call?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Because this has been the toughest recession that the country's
been in decades and decades, and surely when we come
out the other side and we've got money in our
pockets again, we'll get into it.

Speaker 19 (57:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
I've been thinking like that, heither, and we've been waiting
all this year. I think, like all of us, for
those green shoots and for people to be spending more.
It's potentially premature. I mean, I could sort of hang
on for another year and just hope things get better
for next year. But I've got to the point where
I've been involved in spore for twenty years and I

(58:10):
just feel that personally, from a financial point of view,
I just can't really take that risk again hoping that
things will improve next year. They may or they may not,
so I don't particularly want to take that risk.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I mean, you're not obviously the only person who's found
festivals very very difficult to run in the last few
years because of the increased costs and the lack of
cash and stuff.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
What do you reckon the future of festivals are.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
I do worry about it. I mean, Spore is special
because it's a three day camping festival, which is quite
rare now and the benefit of three day camping festival
it creates a community. People are committed to that whole
three days that camping, make new friends, people get married
at s four because they meet future partners. It's spoor,
So it's maybe the camping side. It's quite difficult for people.

(58:57):
I mean, the younger generation are not so much into
going into tense etc. So maybe it's more of a
six hour concert in a park, which is more attractive
as a trend. And I think a lot of it
is to do with I guess the attractions of certain headliners.
There is certain acts which attract a crowd, so it's
an easy decision for people to say to go and

(59:19):
see a particular artist, and those artists are increasingly charging two, three,
four times as much as they used to, so that
scenario is quite difficult too, So it is quite a challenge.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Yeah, John listen, thanks for talking this through it and
beast of likeck and hopefully the thing does go very
well for its last one. That's John Minty Splaw Festival owner, heither,
did you get your iPhone sorted? I need a new
phone and I'm not sure I want to go iPhone again. Mate,
I don't blame you, actually, no, Well on the zoom
call yesterday, screen sharing, trying to do that, trying to

(59:50):
sync the text messages anyway.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
But I've got the computer here and I've got the
boss here. It is completely overqualified for it.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
He's going to sort it out in the eight o'clock news,
he says, So I'll talk to you afterwards. So Thomas Sainsbury,
one of his podcasts, is now being turned into a
TV show, which I think must be quite a thrill
for somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
He's going to be with us straight after the news
News twigs dB.

Speaker 12 (01:00:18):
This time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
I'm asking the questions others, won't Heather Dupless Allen on
the Mike asking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real
estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News togs Head Bada.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Seven Past Day.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Tom Sainsbury, you know the name, He's back this time
with a bit of a twist. You'll know Tom's podcast
small Town Scandals done very well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
It's about We're about to do a third season of it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
But what's different is that his very first season is
about to be turned from a podcast into an eight
episode TV series and Tom Sainsbury's with us.

Speaker 17 (01:00:57):
Now Morning Tom, Good Morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
This feels like a really big moment for you.

Speaker 17 (01:01:02):
It, Yeah it is, and I've got to take a
moment to realize that.

Speaker 15 (01:01:07):
But when you're kind of working on a TV show,
like it's just such a long process, Like I've lived
with this because it's all made, it's already we're kind
of launching it. Well, it won't be out till early
next year in February, but we're launching that kind of
the trailers coming out tomorrow. But when you kind of
live with it to the minute of watching every little
bit of it, it doesn't feel like a big moment, No,

(01:01:27):
because here, I've watched myself so many times and made
so many notes on my eat it, you know, on
the EDS and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, it's like giving birth.

Speaker 17 (01:01:35):
It's it's like giving a long labor. Not that I
would have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Any idea, but I mean the reason Like when I
when I heard that this was happening, I thought, wow,
because for you, you have been intimately involved in actually
the creator like you are the star of all of
your shows, right, your podcasts are various things. That's it's
not the first time though, that something you've created is
starring other people.

Speaker 15 (01:01:57):
Yeah, this is the this is the biggest thing I've
ever done. And it had producers on board that were
kind of looking after everything. There was a wardrobe person
coming along and choosing all my clothes for me all that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
So you realized what it means to have money.

Speaker 17 (01:02:11):
I realized eggs, you got it.

Speaker 14 (01:02:14):
Look.

Speaker 15 (01:02:14):
And the funny thing is we talked about me playing
characters at the very beginning, like because in the podcast,
I play all the characters and all the voices, and
we talked about but just as soon as you do
the kind of maths, it's the logistics two bonkers.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
So the actors who have replicated your characters, have they
done a decent job that you're happy about.

Speaker 15 (01:02:34):
They have done They've gone above and beyond. And it's
still got the tone of the podcast. But we've got
we've got amazing, So we've got more Gunner O'Reilly who's
just done whitelatics. But also, if you're a fan of
a show called The Good Life, do you know The
Good Life so it was huge in the seventies and
eighties in the UK. It was like a it was
a sitcom of like kind of organic, self sufficient farmers

(01:02:57):
on one side and then they kind of uppity neighbors
and that was the a bench of it and the
interest in that. Felicity Kentle place my mother. So we
went over to the UK to film four days over
there with her as my mother, and we try to
sell it as New Zealand, so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
You try to sell the UK as well. That that
would have worked. I mean, is here to be collec scenes,
isn't it?

Speaker 19 (01:03:16):
There is?

Speaker 15 (01:03:17):
We had to kind of have a gauze over the
window and there was a robin, a red wreast robin
that just kept production and we're like shoes, you can't
ever read Robin and the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
A it'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
But so this is there was word that there would
be at least one kind of like well known, high
profile actor type thing and this this will be her
right as MORGANA obviously.

Speaker 15 (01:03:37):
Yes, this is her. This was kind of the UK
because we have kind of BBC have kind of come
on board with the production as well, and so as
part of their deal, you've got to get someone from
but we're like, my god, of course we love her.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
How do you sell a very very New Zealand show
in extremely thick New Zealand accents?

Speaker 15 (01:03:59):
Got it to the BB see they there is this
kind of I think Broken Wood Mysteries has kind of
broken the seal.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
There's this kind of.

Speaker 15 (01:04:08):
Idea that when the format is something like a true crime,
which is my way, like a murder mystery true crime,
that everyone can kind of get on board with that.
And the Brits love that, and the fact that it's
set in pretty New Zealand, so there was a sense
like we had to say on New Zealand quite well,
we couldn't go into the grungier corners of it. That
they were kind of kind of fine with that. I
don't know whether we'll need subtitles for some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Really, is it that bad?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
No, it's not too bad.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Seriously though. I mean, here you are.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
You've made your way in you know, on social media
and in podcasts and stuff like that, and look, you're
not new to television. Let's not pretend that this is
your first you know, rodeo. But you are really getting
deep into something that that I look at and I
think Wow, that's brave and you know in this age
of Tally do you ever think about that? Do you
mean brave as in like weird television is at the

(01:04:59):
moment we watch listen less Tally, we fund less and
less Tally in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Absolutely, it's worried for you, Tom.

Speaker 15 (01:05:07):
It's so tricky and it's it's also kind of like
you just can't get funding from one source like we
had to get it, you know, we had to get
the BBC managed to kind of help and all that
kind of stuff, So it is really stressful. You just yeah,
it's an interesting one. I'm kind of not focusing on
there and just hoping it finds some kind of fandom
somewhere along the way and hopefully appeal to people that

(01:05:27):
still like watching.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Television, because when if you do it, if you do
it well, like a tiger y t t in film,
you can really make a big can't you.

Speaker 17 (01:05:34):
It's gamble, Yeah, yes, it's a gamble.

Speaker 15 (01:05:37):
Yes, I'm yes, it's a gamble.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
A gamble.

Speaker 15 (01:05:41):
You're winning it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
I want to just take a break and then I'll
come back to you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Tom Sainsbury key wee comedian eight past oh rather twelve
Past eight the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
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Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
B Right, it's called a past state. You're back to
Tom Sainsbury, Keywi comedian Tom. Now, why aren't you doing
the hardy videos, the social media videos of the Kiwi
politicians anymore?

Speaker 17 (01:06:03):
Good question. It's there's two reasons.

Speaker 15 (01:06:06):
One of them was that I would they would always
get hate comments, not about me, about the politicians and stuff,
and some of them were so nasty and I'd go
through and kind of delete them on that kind of stuff.
But it just became a torrent and I became some
of my videos became voices for absolute hatred, and I
was like, I don't really want to be part of this.
I knew where my line was, and even though people
can interpret its hatred, I'm like, I still love these politicians,

(01:06:26):
all of them. And the other one is is that
I've just the Australian like Australia. Sometimes it is kind
of nicnected with New Zealand and Australia. My followers in Australia,
which could be so many East Pads, but also there
are so many Australians over there. None of it made
any context to the EMO and to people in the
UK as well. So it's kind of like Lou, they
just weren't getting the numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Oh okay, of course because they're watching and not getting it.
They're like thought for a hot little minute that the
reason you weren't doing it was because our politicians are
now so bloody boring.

Speaker 17 (01:06:55):
There is that too?

Speaker 19 (01:06:56):
Is it?

Speaker 16 (01:06:57):
Is?

Speaker 22 (01:06:57):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
That?

Speaker 22 (01:06:58):
Isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:06:59):
There was?

Speaker 15 (01:06:59):
There was that wonderful time in that what was twenty
seventeen was the election that kind of took it off
and then we were amazing so many amazing characters. And
also it's tricky with lux and you either go balled
or you go his face and none of it, Like
it's just monstrous either way, it's really hard to kind
of and it's really hard to do.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
But also no disrespect to Chris Luxon. Again not that interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I mean, like we've still got Judith Collins, so we
have a crusher, which is quite fun. I mean you
could probably dip your toe a wee bit into like
a Paul Goldsmith.

Speaker 17 (01:07:31):
Yes, but apart from that, yeah, not men starts Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:07:35):
Yeah, hip Shane Jones, I mean, and Shane Jones is
almost a parody of Shane Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yes, so you know it starts to get him. But
I mean this is a testament to how popular you
are overseas.

Speaker 15 (01:07:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing the Australian kind. And so I
did a tour of Australia last year. I'll be doing
one next year as well, and it's just amazing the
Australians kind of embrace. We think we've got this kind
of rival red with Australia, but every time you go
over there, they just love the kiwis and they love
going to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
You know, we have a righte like we have this
real chip on our shoulder about the Aussies. Whereas when, yeah,
when we go over there, like welcome to your welcome
to your actual home, the spiritual home. I mean maybe
we need to have a little bit of a think
about that, don't we. When you go over there, do
you do you have an observation about I've been having
a real crack at New Zealand audiences lately and I

(01:08:24):
reckon we suck as a crowd.

Speaker 17 (01:08:26):
Yeah, good point.

Speaker 15 (01:08:27):
Well, they are just so much more realy to laugh,
like you really have to sometimes you have to really
work for a New Zealand audience to kind of win
them over and so and sometimes you've had a really
quiet audience and then some of them come up afterwards
and go that was so funny. It was the first
thing I've ever saying. You're like, what, I had no idea,
but there is that.

Speaker 19 (01:08:45):
So it's up with us.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
What's going on?

Speaker 15 (01:08:47):
We just reserved and you know we're a bit more
shy into it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Do you think that's what it is?

Speaker 15 (01:08:50):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
And so what we don't want we're away like we
feel like other people are watching us if we're having.

Speaker 15 (01:08:55):
Fun, I think just demonstratively like any showing any kind
of emotions. I just don't think we do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
We keep it hidden? Okay, so that's what I think.
What do you need to do?

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Do you need to apply us all with free alcohol
before you start show?

Speaker 15 (01:09:09):
As it always doesn't help. Well, there's a there's two
wines is the perfect? If they go further than that,
it can tip over. And then some of them start
interacting with you like it's just you and them in
the room like a back chat. I've been in those
kinds of comedy shows. And do you have a preference
as to whether it's red or white wine, because I
find with the red wine.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
It's one and a half and with the white one
it's two. Yeah, because the red wines are quite an intoxicant.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Do you drink before you go on stage?

Speaker 15 (01:09:34):
On occasion, I have a wine with me on stage,
and that helps me. Sometimes I'm a real cheap day,
so it only takes one wine to kind of tip
me into tipsy zone. So I've got to be careful
with that. But sometimes if you ride it right with
the hour show, it's just a beautiful kind of anyone's
on board.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
You are such an unlikely person to be on stage.

Speaker 17 (01:09:54):
It's shy, it's been quiet, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
How in God's name did you land in this job?

Speaker 12 (01:10:00):
Then?

Speaker 20 (01:10:01):
I know what is it.

Speaker 15 (01:10:03):
I think it's I'm overrid like being a bit naughty
and also making people laugh.

Speaker 17 (01:10:10):
Wins, just wins.

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Oh, so you prefer so like it? It makes you
feel so good that you can overcome your weird year.

Speaker 15 (01:10:17):
I was going to say you're weird sho sorry here,
that's absolutely true.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
I mean I should say I know you from it
from a little bit back, so I'm allowed to say
things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
I would like to think.

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Because even I mean, even some of the weird stuff
that you do, like dancing on stage, takes a lot
of courage.

Speaker 15 (01:10:30):
I would have thought, yeah, absolutely, And it's it's a
complicated thing because I also my heart lies in kind
of drama, and even like with the podcasts and stuff
like that, when I get to do the meat e
drama scenes with the other actors and things like that,
which are rare because it's mostly comedy, I just love
delving into that kind of side of things. But I
guess I'm just inherently a funny person and without really

(01:10:52):
trying too much, and sometimes me just walking on stuff,
Sometimes just me walking on stage is really sets the
audience off, and.

Speaker 17 (01:10:58):
I just have to embrace that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
We just like looking at you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
I just like that.

Speaker 12 (01:11:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
I was thinking, Okay, so here I was being all
miserable about what's going on with television and stuff and
are you actually doing the right thing with your career
throwing your.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Lot in with this? But actually, is it not possible that?

Speaker 16 (01:11:14):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
I mean, TV is having this existential problem and it's declining,
and Shorty streets dying, outrageous fortune has gone, everything's collapsing.
But at the same time, you have social media now,
and social media is the outlet and it's cheap and
much more.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
It's democratized.

Speaker 17 (01:11:28):
It hasn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:11:30):
Absolutely, And if there's some way of getting a channel
of like mena direct, so you kind of advertise to
the people in their homes on their phones and there's
a quick way that they can just click on and
watch the first episode, then you're away.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Should we send out New Zealand on air funding away
from television and into social media?

Speaker 15 (01:11:46):
That's a really good question. I think what just looking
at international trends, have you heard about the micro dramas? Yes, yes,
I think we need to. I think some of that
funding needs to go towards that, which in social media
and online is perfect thing for that, so that these
are episodes one to three minutes long that you're like,
what just blows your mind. But if you can do
that successfully, it'll be amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Which roll out on social media.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
Tom, thank you so much and congratulations on you know,
getting the TV deal, especially at this current time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
What an amazing thing to do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Thank you, Hell done you, Tom Sainsbury Key we comedian
And when is it out? February February out in February
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Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I hope Tom's show is as good as broken would
If so, it will be great. Well done forgetting your
show made. Tom, that's actually true. I mean, in this
current age, it's an amazing thing to do. Speaking of shows,
I managed to finish watching the Just Durn movie, so
I'll give you my review if we get a chance
at some stage this later on the next half hour
or so. I need to get Oh, by the way,
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coming out. It's actually out already, so you can go
and feast your little ears on that. Donald Trump. Donald Trump,
I mean, you can make a big I'm not even
gonna make it. You mind, for you make up your
own mind about this. He's put out a truth social
about Rob Reiner, who's of course died at the hands
it would appear allegedly of his son.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
This is what it says.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Rob Reiner are tortured and struggling, but once very talented
movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with
his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused
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Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:34):
Right to the UK. Now, what's happened over there?

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
As they are being struck by the superflu and they've
got the junior doctor strike and that's going ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Here's the Secretary of Health, Wiz Street and condemning it.

Speaker 23 (01:15:43):
The BMA said this dispute was about pay, but we
gave them a twenty eight point nine percent pay rise.
Then they said it was also about jobs, so I
offered a deal to have the competition for jobs to
less than two applicants per post. It is now clear
what these strikes are really about, the bna's fantasy demand
for another twenty six percent pay rise on top of

(01:16:06):
the twenty eight point nine percent they have already received.
I am appealing to ordinary resident doctors to ignore the
BMA strike and go to work this week. Abandoning patients
in their hour of greatest need goes against everything a
career in medicine is meant to be about.

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Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Rod little, are UK correspondent, is with us.

Speaker 19 (01:16:32):
Morning Rod, Good morning Header.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
Well, I can't imagine that the doctors have got the
sympathy of the voters.

Speaker 19 (01:16:39):
No, no sympathy whatsoever with the voters. But there you
had a labor government minister urging strike breaking all union.
It's remarkable to his credit where Streeting hasn't given in
on the payments to doctors. But they've already had, as

(01:17:01):
we heard, you know, are wpping pay rise more than
the eye working out was more than twenty five percent.
They want, you know, thirty five percent. What we all do.
They claim that they've lost money because of the of
inflation since two thousand and six, two thousand and seven,
Well we all have. You know, it's an absurdity to

(01:17:22):
claim who you should be paid the exactly the same rate,
and it will cause chaos. You know, this strikes you
to take place on Wednesday. It's at a time when
flu cases have been rising about fifty percent per week.
This is the new superflu which we've got over here.
So it will cause a lot of problems. But I

(01:17:44):
think that if there's any sympathy it will be with
the government on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Yeah, I would say so very much so. And we're shreeting.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
I mean every time you hear him him front something
like this, he becomes more and more I don't know,
am I am I going to fine saying Prime Ministeria.

Speaker 19 (01:18:01):
Doctord Wes, You're not going far enough. As far as
Wes is confidant, yes, he's certainly trying to sound very
prime ministerial. Of course, having a go at the doctors
doesn't help him very much with the left wing of
his own party in Parliament. And the truth is, if
it came to a vote, he would not win the

(01:18:23):
leadership of the Labor Party. He is too far to
the right now. That is sorry. The only other good
candidate Shabaamhood.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
Well, I was going to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Ask about her, but then again she also would she
want to vote given what she is doing with migration
and cracking down there. I can't imagine that that will
go down well with the lift.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Of the party.

Speaker 19 (01:18:45):
No, indeed she would a vote in the country, would
be very popular with the voters. But no, she wouldn't
win with the vote of the backbenchers and the activists
in the Labor Party, all of whom wants someone who
would lose the next general election by a country miles,
such as for example Ed Milliband, that's the favorite amongst

(01:19:05):
the party party members, a man who has tried to
impose net zero on us all and given Britain the
most costly energy prices in the developed world.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Welld is Labour going to give?

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
I'm going to see there are calls for Labor to
give back the donations from Dale Vin's after his comments
on Australia and Gaza.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Are they actually going to do that?

Speaker 19 (01:19:28):
I don't think they will do that, but opposition parties
have been very quick to say that they should. Delvins,
who's a pretty questionable kind of guy. Not long after
he made that statement about how basically the war on
cars have been to blame for Bondi Beach, he then
said that there's going to be a Holocaust this Christmas

(01:19:50):
of Turkeys, so kind of downplaying the importance of the
Holocaust in the Jewish psyche, in the Jewish memory. Well,
it remains to be seen how strongly secure Starma will
reject what Vince has said. I think it has to
be very very strong. Otherwise the Labour Party is heading

(01:20:13):
into all the greater degree of difficulty with Jewish voters
and Jewish organizations who've already criticized it very very broadly.

Speaker 20 (01:20:24):
In the past.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Yeah, and I had long standing issues there. Now, what
do you make of the speech from the sex boss,
the new one?

Speaker 19 (01:20:31):
Well, it's interesting. I know this is Blaze Rustavelli, the
first ever female boss of m I six, who is
saying that we're in a space between the peace and war,
But has also said that Russia is waging war on
a number of different unlimited fronts and trying to cause chaos,
and argued that we must treat Russia and China differently,

(01:20:54):
that their different approach should be required. You know, if
you're if you're over here at the moment, it is
becoming a refrain that we're either at war already or
on the cusp of that. We have Mark Rutterer, the
boss of NATO, saying very much the same thing a
few days ago last week that basically we're at war

(01:21:16):
now and we've got to be prepared to fight Russia.
And everyone keeps saying this, and yet you know, defense
expenditure doesn't increase as much as undoubtedly one would need
it to in terms of warfare, So I don't think
that anyone takes it really seriously in their hearts.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Rod, thank you very much appreciated. We'll have a chet
of you later on and you look after yourself for
the rest of the day. That's Rod Little, our UK correspondent.
I have a feeling that something that happened yesterday didn't
get quite the well. It got the coverage, you got
the widespread coverage, but I don't think the level of
kind of this is unusual, that kind of coverage that
pointed out how unusually it is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
I don't think happened.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
Which was the statement that was put out for the
Reserve Bank governor yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
This is the new one, Anna Bremen.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
She put out a statement, she's given an interview I
think it was to one news or somebody, and then
put out a statement subsequently, which in and of itself
is kind of unusual. I mean, you cast your mind
back the last few Reserve Bank governors, how many of
them would just issue a press release for the sake
of it all, like unprompted. And what she was trying
to do in the statement is talk down the market
because of course the wholesale rates have gone up, and

(01:22:24):
then yesterday A and Z was just the latest and
the biggest bank actually to lift the fixed mortgage rays.
She reiterated that the forward path for the ocr published
in the November Monetary Policy Statement indicates a slight probability
of another rate cut in the near term, So she's
reiterating that to make sure that we do understand there
is the chance that there may be a count. However,

(01:22:46):
she said of economic conditions involvers as expected, then the
ocr is likely to remain at its current level.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
I mean, people who are closer to the markets will
be able to tell you whether that's had much of
an impact with the fact that she tries to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
And I think it's quite interesting. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
I love that the man who's accused of swallowing the
faberget egg pendant who the police had to watch for
a week until he managed to expel it, has pleaded
not guilty when he appeared in court. I look forward
to his defense to explain how he's not guilty and
how it accidentally ended up in his mouth and then
down his throat. He's in custody. There's quite a ballsy
move from the cops keeping him in custody. But anyway,

(01:23:28):
they got him because it must. I mean, I don't know.
I won't comment on it, but keeping you keeping someone
in custody is usually an indication of something anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Will appear in court again in February.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
So twelve away from nine So I finished the Just
Cinda movie and I actually recommend it to you. I
think it is worth watching, partly because obviously it is.
It is a seminal moment for the like COVID is
a seminal moment for the world right, but it's also
especially a seminal you know, domestically, it was a seminal
moment for us as well in terms of politics.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
And all the things we went through.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
I recommend it because I think sometimes when we get
caught up in what is going on in politics, we're
kind of we have you can forget the person who
is the politician, and that that person has a family,
has children, has a private life, has hopes and aspirations,
and you know, and and just is a complete human being.
And I think that I think we did forget that,

(01:24:24):
and I think we still forget that. And the the
clearest example that we did forget that is that there
is a scene in the movie where they're at Clark's parents'
beach house in Gisbon and there are nutty protesters standing
outside protesting. It's like Christmas time, and there are kids inside.
There are the grandkids inside, multiple grandkids, and they're looking
out the window at these people protesting, which is just

(01:24:45):
like completely looney behavior anyway.

Speaker 15 (01:24:48):
So I think it is.

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
I don't think you will necessarily end up feeling sorry
for her, but I do think that it will kind
of just round her out as a person to you. Potentially,
My overall impression watching the movie is how stuf Age
managed it was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
And I kind of mentioned this to you when I
first started watching the movie.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Always everything was a performance, right, none of it seems
very little of it is kind of caught spontaneously. So
there's a scene where Clark larringisben.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
There's a COVID outbreak.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Clark has to drive her to where the defense helicopter
is going to pick her up a take presumably back
to Wellington, and then Clark has to turn the camera
sort of on him and then prop it on the
dashboard and then he goes, ah, bugger and sort of
you know, and it's not a real it's not a
real bugger. It didn't really happen, just naturally he actually
did it for the camera. So you kind of always
feeling like, hmm, I'm watching you guys sort of play

(01:25:35):
acting this. And there is a scene where she's lying
in bed read one evening, reading her documents and Clark
picks up a washing brings him in a washing basket,
puts it down, walks out with it or whatever, and
she says to it, and he does the trip twice
and she says to him, are you fake carrying a
washing basket? And he admits he is. Just to kind
of underscore how much of it is a performance from

(01:25:57):
a national perse. I've got some texts from people who said,
you know, I feel embarrassed as a New Zealander, and
I can understand that because this film does not do
us a service right. It does us a disservice as
a country because it makes us look like we were
just ungrateful for the second Coming of Jesus and we
should have been more grateful for all the wonderful things.
There's no real interrogation at all, or even a mention

(01:26:20):
of why we might have been angry about what happened,
Auckland being in lockdown too long, the vaccines not being
ordered in time, people's rat kits being comf scated, because
all the crazy stuff that happened, as well, the stuff
with the EWE checkpoints.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
None of that has mentioned.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
It's just like we're just not happy because she's trying
to save our lives. But anyway, having said all of that,
go and watch it. I think there is value in
watching it, and it's available on Apple At the moment
nine away from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Nine, Heather do putty, Allen, I'm a mic asking breakfast,
we're the defender and use togs dead b either.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
Have you gone soft? No, politics is not about the politicians' families.
It's about what they stand for and do.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Yet that's totally fine.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Protest outside Actually, by the way, protest outside Parliament, not
outside the houses, but because that protest outards out Parliament.
When you have a watch of this film, you never
realized I'll go under her skin quite to that extent. Hither,
I have to pull you up on the fact that
what happened in Australia has no need for our political
parties to respond, the Greens being one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Now, that's not really what I said. I think Chloe
does need to have.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
Some questions asked of her and the Greens in general
about their tolerance of pretty outrageous language. But I don't
think that we should make the mistake of co opting
other people's trauma and grief, because that's the thing that
people do. That's just unbecoming right, this is this didn't
happen to us. It happened to the Jewish community in Australia.
So you know, you've got a kind of we have

(01:27:37):
a completely different our race relations here, completely different six
away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Trending now warehouse the real house of fragrances.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
So we have a bit of an update with the
Browns University shooting case that has left the FBI and
Cash Pattel with egg on their face. The FBI detained
a person of interest and his name in details went
all over the Internet and was reported by major news
outlets in the US, and Cash Battel celebrated the work
that was done by the FBI and capturing this guy.
It turns out though it was the wrong guy. They've
now released him and they're asking for more info. This

(01:28:11):
is the Rhode Island Attorney General.

Speaker 10 (01:28:12):
Collectively, the team developed developed leads in a number of areas.
One was chased to ground. It led to the to
the to US detaining a person of interest. So those
words and how we choose those words when we're talking
about an investigation matter. That evidence now points in a

(01:28:34):
different direction. So what that means is that this person
of interest needs to be it should be released. I
think what is really unfortunate that this person's name was
leaked to the public. It's hard to put that back
in the bottom.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
It's all keys.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Then the Providence Police Chief, Oscar Pariers put the blame
squarely on Patel.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
This specific one.

Speaker 22 (01:28:57):
It was actually picked up by the and they followed
through with it, and they ended up coming and located
in this individual of interest, and at that point we
did our thoral investigation exam and ended up drafting some
search warrants, came up with some evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
So Patel has now earned the nickname Keystone Cash in
reference to the bumbling Keystone cops of slapstick fame, and
because this is now the third time that he has
tweeted out messages that they've got a perpetrator when in
fact it was the wrong person. He also did this
in the Charlie Kirk case. And as plenty of people
have pointed out, this is what happens when you put
a podcast or in charge of the FBI, which is

(01:29:34):
probably an entirely fair thing to say, I've got happy news.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
The phone appears to be fixed.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
I would recommend if you're thinking about switching away from
the iPhone. Unless you've got sort of like about two
or three technical guys who can just drop things and
help you at any minute, it's probably have a think
about that. What I would say is, in a modern age,
would you not like think about this? Would you not
rather have your car breakdown? Then you'll phone because at
least with your phone you can order yourself an uber,

(01:30:04):
but you can't if you haven't got a phone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
What can you do? See you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
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