Full Show Podcast: 17 December 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Credible, compelling, the breakfast show you can't best. It's Heather
Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate,
doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News Talk,
sad Be.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Morning and welcome to you. What do we tell you?
Nichola Willis would push out surplus and she's done it.
She's with us after seven. We've also got the big
new ministry unveiled. Will it actually be more efficient and cheaper?
The New Zealand initiative? On that, Scott Dixon is in
with us for a chat. He's in the country to
open a new karting track. Karting is all, of course,
we're all the great start. He's after seven thirty and
then Politics Wednesday with Jenny and Mark for the last

(00:35):
time this year.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
No surprise, Nichola Willis has pushed out surplus by another year,
which now makes it three years and two years. As in,
she has delayed surplus by three years in just the
space of the two years that she's been at the
Finance Minister's desk. Had she kept her pledge, which is
the one that she made up about tidying up this
country's books. When she was asking for our votes in
twenty twenty three, we would be seeing surplus next year.

(00:58):
Now it's twenty nine at the US earliest. Now, getting
our books back in order is not Beltway. It is
important if we don't want our kids to pack up
and leave for Ossie when they're old enough to. And
Nichola can blame everyone from Treasury to Trump if she wants,
but she also has not done enough to get us
back to surplus. There is plenty of wasteful spending that
could be cut if she wanted to. She has, for

(01:18):
some reason defended and kept Jacinder's wasteful policy of paying
for one year free for university students. It's been repeatedly
criticized as a flop because it doesn't actually make anyone
go to university. If she was brave enough to cut that,
it would save us in the vicinity of a billion
dollars over four years. She has given welfare to households
are more than two hundred thousand dollars a year by
giving them money for childcare. People on that kind of

(01:41):
coin do not need benefits. Cutting that would save a
billion dollars in a little over five years, she still
hasn't cut or income tested the winter energy payment which
is going to people who are still in the workforce,
and ja setting it aside for nice trips to Fiji.
Cutting that would save a billion dollars in less than
two years. Trimming it would save a little bit less,
but it would at least save something. She has one

(02:04):
thousand public servants who have been cut when Grant and
Jasinda actually added fourteen thousand, So still a lot there
be In no doubt. Yep, money is tight, Treasury's not helping,
Trump's not helping, But there is still a lot of
waste that could be cut if Nikola Willis was brave enough.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
News of the World in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Paul Doyle, who's the man who drove into a crowd
of people at the Liverpool Parade, has been sentenced to
twenty one and a half years in prison. The audio
footage of him and the car was also released. No,

(02:47):
it was shocking to even veterans within the police.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
It rarely is horrific viewing to watch. You can see
people in front of his vehicle and Doyle has got
complete disregard for their safety. He continues to drive as
people bounce off his bonnet as people go underneath his vehicle.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now, one of the major lines of inquiry into the
Bondi Terra attack was that the two shooters were in
the Philippines just a few weeks before the attack, in
an area that's known for Islamist violent extremism.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
You don't get off a plane in the Philippines or
anywhere and simply see you to a cab driver take
me to a training camp. So obviously there must have
been some type of introduction made. There must be some
type of connection there.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Over in Europe, Vladimir Zelenski has addressed the Dutch Parliament
and sees Russia aren't coming to the negotiating table.

Speaker 6 (03:33):
Russia chooses conflict or this, and Russians always say they're
somehow not guilty, and there's always something they claim must
be given up so they can stop killing.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Meanwhile, the Brits have announced more military aid.

Speaker 7 (03:51):
Today I can confirm the UK's biggest single year investment
into air defense for Ukraine at six hundred million pounds
of thousands of their defense systems, missiles and automated turrets
to shoot down.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Drones staying in the UK, and a probe has been
launched into financial interference in politics after a former Reform
UK member was jailed for taking bribes to promote Russian interests.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
An elected politician took bribes to parrot the lies of
a hostile state.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Responsible for the.

Speaker 8 (04:25):
Death of Dawn Sturgis, a British citizen on British soil.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
And finally, the popularity of the second Zootopia movie, Excuse Me,
has ushered in a disturbing trend. So the movie has
surpassed one billion US dollars at the box office and
has also become China's top grossing foreign animation film of
all time and one of the new popular characters introduced
is Gary de Snake. Now, because of that, there has
been a surge, especially in China, of people buying the

(04:54):
Indonesian tech tit viper, which is a highly venomous snake.
In fact, a report from this year found snakes makeup
over fifty percent of reptiles being kept as pets in China.
So the warnings have gone out to say, I don't know,
maybe don't get yourself a highly venomous snake for your
first snake. If you're going to get a snake, I
suppose that is news of the world in ninety seconds.

(05:17):
I'll tell you what over in Canada's spelling has become
a weirdly political thing. What's been going on is Mark
Carnes's government has been using British spelling and official documents
and there have been people who've busted this, especially in
the budget documents of spot of what he's up to,
and they don't like it. And when I say British spelling,
I'm talking about things like globalization with an S instead

(05:37):
of a Z, and catalyze with an S like the
way that we would spell it right instead of a Z. Anyway,
the standard in Canada has actually been used to it
has been to use Canadian English, which is a hybrid
of but a very specific hybrid of British and American English.
So you use the Z this is Canadian English, use
the Z in catalyze. But then you use in a

(05:58):
word like color, you use the British ou, and the
linguists are so you got you got to get this
combo completely. And you never write tire with why right.
It's always an iri, whether whether its whether it refers
to you being tired or the tires you put on
you it's the same anyway. The linguists are so upset
about the severison to the government about it. They say,
Canadian English is recognized and widely used in Canada, and

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if governments start to use other systems for spelling, it
will lead to confusion. And it is a matter of
our national history and identity and pride. Who knew? Thirteen
past six.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
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Speaker 2 (06:41):
Hey the wise. The tax takes lower, takes tax take
lower than expected. One of the reasons has got to
be because of all the people who've lost their jobs
or left the country. Fair point sixteen past six Cali
Westpac chief economist is with us morning, Kelly. What do
you make of that GDT auction last night?

Speaker 9 (07:00):
Well, it's another shopper, isn't it? Really big? Full prices
overall four point four percent five point seven percent for
the milk home mill powder, which is the really important
driver of Fonterra's payout. It's adding up to a really
large fall sort of in the last three of three
or six months or so. This is why Fonterra has

(07:20):
been cutting a payout cut. Our own forecast as well,
but based off our assumptions, we'd say is probably quite
a bit of downside risk now to the nine dollars
thirty milk price forecast that we've currently got there, just
too much supply.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Now, I imagine that yesterday you would have been all
over the highphood.

Speaker 9 (07:40):
Yeah, it was obviously the big one of the big
news of the week genup on Thursday, sort of like
probably slightly bigger. I mean, basically, the fiscal outlook continues
to deteriorate, is the underlying picture there, and you can
kind of see that clearly in the fact that the
surplus is now pushed out to two thousand, two nineteers

(08:00):
and thirty. I mean, I don't know when you're planning
to retire, Heather, but it's possible we may not see
that in our working lives. You know. Even the ober
gal x measure is sort of like out there as well.
You know, there's there's a bit less debt issuance that

(08:20):
they suggested for the next year or so, but that's
kind of where there was a little bit of fudge served,
I think, because what the government's done is decided to
hold a bit less in their liquidity fund than they
used to, so that saved them five billion dollars, which
allowed them to cut get in the short term. But
out there in the medium terms, sort of like Upter
twenty twenty seven, they're having to issue more debt and

(08:42):
that's because the economy is prejected to remain hearely anemic
about two and a half percent growth, and it's just
not generating the tax tape that they want to. One
interesting thing I took actually from the from the document
is they provide forecasts of the of the ocr in

(09:03):
the forecast, and it looks like Treasury expected either a
fifty point cup or a couple of more interest rate
cuts early next year because they thought the ninety day
rate was going to stick around two percent for years.
Obviously that didn't happen. When the Reserve Bank announced it,
it's ocerra announcement in late November.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
And so what are you making of the inflation numbers?

Speaker 9 (09:29):
Well, it was actually a bit stronger than we expected,
but it is quite violatile on a month a month basis,
but it does look like it's probably stronger than the
Reserve Bank expected in that last set of forecasts. This
time around, it was higher prices for holiday related categories
like accommodation and transportation, you know, airline fears and things

(09:51):
like that. So that's going to bump things around a bit.
But I guess the encouraging thing is that some of
the more persistent bits of the CPI, like it's a
continuing to run a pretty weekly books. So I think
we're pretty confident that the inflation rate will be set
to decline over the year ahead.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, well that's got to be good news, a all right,
give us the numbers.

Speaker 10 (10:12):
So Dow is basically pretty flat. It's down forty one
points forty eight four one six. SMP is down ten
point ten points to six eight one six, Nazdak is
down one hundred and fifty seven at twenty three five seven.
Foot Sea was down seven eighteen and nine seven three three.

(10:33):
The Nikai was down seven eighty four and half percent
forty nine three eight three. The Shanghai Index was down
one point one percent at three eight two four. The
ASX was down zero point four percent eight five nine
eight in ThEC New Zealand Stock Exchange is up point

(10:54):
one percent at fifteen four to two four. kW US
up smalls point one three percent fifty seven ninety kl
eighty seven twelve q euro of forty nine twenty ky
sterling forty three seventeen q N eighty nine sixty two
gold four thousand, three hundred and ten per ounce, down

(11:18):
half of the cent, and Brent Cruise is actually quite
week it's down one point two per cent at fifty
nine point eighty three. Good news to fill up the
car if you going on the road for Christmas.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Kelly, have yourself a lovely day, Thanks very much mate.
This Kelly eah Cold who is WESTPACX chief economist now
on the Reserve Bank governor. So yeah, the attempt by
her to call the financial markets, or that statement that
she put out, appears to have only had an impact
at the margins. Asb's chief economist Nick Toughlely took a
look at it yesterday, said, the two year swap rate
fell by only thirteen basis points, as in one to

(11:51):
three thirteen, So it's down to two point nine nine.
It had been two point five nine before Christian hawks
be made as whoopsie, so it's still a good four
basis points higher than it was, So a little bit
of an impact, probably not as much as she hoped.
Six to twenty one the.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
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Speaker 2 (12:13):
Heather, you could not fund a holiday to Fiji on
the winter warmer payment. Well that's fair. I mean, what
is it, three hundred and fifty dollars. You can't go
to Fiji for three hundred and fifty dollars a winter
canyon is not even going to get you the airfare.
But I'll telling you what, you chuck that in the
same account as you chucking your pension And what's that?
That's about twenty six thousand dollars a year, isn't you
got twenty? So rounded up you chuck the two together
twenty that's a bougie as holiday in Fiji for the winter.

(12:35):
So you can definitely, you know, you can have a
nice time on the taxpayer morning here. That interesting In
the six o'clock news REACCNMB working from home in the
hot water issue, maybe you'd be interested in this interview
with a unicorn company, Halter and the culture that drives
their success. The unions miss the point. This is what
Holter says that we are an in office first company.

(12:55):
So everyone here at Holter is in office five days
a week. We think you build better and you build
faster in person. And tied to that is those conversations
which move things forward as well. That's from the hol
to guys. Do you know what I think? The idea
of working from home is quickly being dispelled, isn't it.
We've gone through a period of coming up with some
funny ideas and they're dropping away. Six twenty five.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Trending nowarehouse your home at Christmas?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Shopping?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Surprise surprise? Trump's post on Robert Michelle Rhiner's death is
still in the news. It was condemned by both sides
after he said their death was in part due to
having Trump arrangement syndrome. The Rhyiner's son has been arrested
for the murders, and LAPD says he was responsible. An
online poll on whether Trump was wrong to attack the
Rhiners in his posts or over forty thousand people vote
in eight hundred and fifty five said the tribute was wrong.

(13:39):
So considering that that went viral, Michelle Obama's response when
asked about their deaths on Jimmy Kimmel last night also
went viral.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
We've known them for many, many years, and we were
supposed to be seeing them that night last night, and
we got the news. And let me just say this,
Unlike some people, Rob and Michelle Reiner are some of
the most decent, courageous people you ever want to know.
They're not deranged or praised. What they are, what they

(14:11):
have always been, are passionate people. In a time when
there's not a lot of courage going on, they were
the kind of people who were ready to put their
actions behind what they cared about. And they cared about
their family, and they cared about this country, and they
cared about fairness and equity, and that is the truth.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I do know them right well. That hasn't gone down
well for them, though he'll probably whether it like he
always does here that you forgot the elephants in the room.
Pension age needs to go up in key we save
and needs to be made compulsory. Well, listen, we'll have
a chat to the person who can actually make all
of these decisions, Nikola Willis after seven o'clock. But next up,
got that new mega merger in the public service. So
let's have a chat to the New Zealand Initiative find

(14:54):
out whether they like the look of it. New stoks ev.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
No fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:16):
Richard Arnold is going to be be with us out
of the US shortly. Just a quick update on what's
going on with the EV's. I find this thing fascinating.
Ford is now the latest motor vehicle company that's ditched
its EV plans. It's announced that it's kelled off the
f one hundred one fifty Lightning model. That's that's the
ute that they that was fully electric ute, the flagship
thing that they were doing. They completely halted production on it.

(15:38):
They are moving to doing the one fifty f one
fifty as a hybrid instead. This is this means the
company is taking a hat off something very close to
twenty billion US dollars. And yet again one of the
silly ideas that we got ourselves tied up in that
there was this massive market for EV's, when actually it
was on that massive at all. Twenty two away from
seven hasn't got a new mega merger in the public service,

(16:00):
the Ministries of Environment, Transport, Housing, Urban Development, and then
the local government functions of internal affairs will all come
together in the new insert, which is the Ministry of Cities, Environment,
Regions and Transport. Oliver Hartwich is the New Zealand Initiative
Executive Director and with us Morning Oliver Good and Morning
Heather is bringing them all together. Is the aim as
obviously to get them to work together. But will that

(16:20):
necessarily work?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
We'll find out.

Speaker 12 (16:24):
I mean, the whole things should be operational in a
half a year's time, so that's quite ambitious in itself.
I mean, to start with, I think some mergers make
sense because we have forty three government departments and ministries
in this country, which is a ridiculous number. We also
have eighty one ministry or portfolios, which again is a
totally ridiculous number. So some consolidation makes good sense. And

(16:47):
still I'm not entirely sure whether this current merger in
front of us actually will work.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, why is Okay? Give me the reasons, because I've
got some of my own. But give me the reasons
why you think it might not work.

Speaker 13 (16:58):
Well.

Speaker 12 (16:58):
The first thing is timing, because the ministries in question
are currently super busy because we are getting through the
IMA reforms and that will take all of their resources. Now,
putting a super merger on top of that, I think
maybe asking too much of the ministries. But the real
problem I see is actually we're creating another government ministry
a bit like MB. MB reports to twenty one ministers

(17:20):
at at the present time. I mean in Ireland they
only have fifteen ministers in cabinet. We have more ministers
reporting to MB or the other way around, quite so
sure than Ireland has in its entire cabinet. And it
will be the same with MSERT. So MSERT now unites
all of these various functions. That makes perhaps some good sense,
but in the end we will still have the same

(17:41):
ministers now in charge of individual portfolios. So it's not
as if MSERT will in the end report to just
a single minister, but there will be various ministers that
EMSER deals with. And I'm not sure whether that's the
right structure.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Right, So you just changing the location, but the problems continue.
Is it also not possible, Oliver, that you can have
an organization the final organization and that is so enormous
and so just it's just so mind blowingly big that
it doesn't actually matter whether they're in the same building
or in multiple buildings, they're not going to know that.
It's not going to break down the silos.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
No, and that's the problem really with MB. I mean,
MB is currently I don't know, six or seven thousand employees,
and at that stage it's of course an organization as
simply too big to function properly. So I think actually
it would be better to have a more coherent approach
to government consolidation. As I said, forty three government departments
and ministries, that's too many. We should certainly consolidate, but

(18:35):
maybe do it in a more systematic way. Consolidate them
all at once, then make sure that you also have
a principle of one minister in charge of one department
and not the eighty one portfolios we currently have, and
then you might have a solution in the end. But
probably also try not to do this while you're doing
massive reforms and in an election years, so timing wise, I'm.

Speaker 14 (18:54):
A bit skeptical.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, Oliver, thanks for Oh by the way, can I
just ask you really quickly we're talking to Nicolaulas after
seven thoughts on the surplus being pushed out yet again.

Speaker 12 (19:03):
Not a great surprise. I mean, after the economic development
we've seen over the past few months, everybody was kind
of expecting it. But yeah, I mean we have to
get to surplus rather sort.

Speaker 15 (19:11):
Of the later.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yeah, I agree. Okay, Oliver, thanks so much. Oliver Hart,
which the New Zealand Initiative executive director, Heather, you're great
at criticizing the finance minister. If you think you're think
good one, don't you put your hand up and have
a go yourself. Well, look, that's a fair point to make,
which is we all come and armed with the criticism,
but can we come and armed with few of the ideas.
So I have got a few ideas of things that
she can cut and or put it to her and
we'll see if we get anywhere with it. Nineteen Away

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from seven the Mic.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
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Speaker 2 (19:40):
Be Now, if you already don't love the postal system
for the voting for the local government elections, you're going
to love it even less after I tell you this.
But a judge has just avoided the results of one
of these one of the subdivisions voting and the au
tart Up Oppertoy Toy Local Board elections in Auckland, because
the allegations are people had been nicking the posting, you know,
the ballots out of the letterboxes and then filling them

(20:02):
in and sending them at which happened last week. What
are my friends did this? Or who do I hang
out with? One of my friends did this last election?
Not the one this year, but last election? Because they anyway,
we don't need the reasons for it, but good, good
reason to just get rid of the system altogether. We'll
talk about that after seven o'clock.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
It's quarter two International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,
Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business, and we're.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Joined by US correspondent Richard Arnold. Morning Richard. Now it
is a particularly grim twist, isn't it. That's the Rhiner's
son involved.

Speaker 16 (20:33):
Yeah, there is still widespread shock over all the details
of this, these brutal murders of actor director Rob Ryaner
and his photographer wife Michelle as police say their son
Nick is responsible their words, and Nick Reiner is expected
to make his first court appearance over this pretty soon,
and leading up to this court appearance, he is in
custody without bail and booked for murder. He had checked

(20:54):
into a hotel before police arrested him. In the state
of that Santa Monica hotel room is something no one
needs really to know about in detail, just a trail
of blood, horrendously saying earlier, Rob and his wife had
taken their thirty two year old son to a party
at the home of television host Conan O'Brien, where Nick
Hiner was said to be disruptive and tweaked out, with
one account that led to a shouting match between father

(21:16):
and son Fuller. President Obama and his wife, Michelle were
said to meet with the Rhiners on the night the
murders happened. Michelle Obama now has spoken with late night
host Jimmy Kimmel about what has taken place.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
Rob and Michelle Reiner are some of the most decent,
courageous people you ever want to know. They're not deranged
or praise what they have always been. Are passionate people
in a time when there's not a lot of courage

(21:49):
going on.

Speaker 16 (21:50):
Deranged of course the term that the President Trump has
taken to using more of that in tick. From the
age of fifteen, Nick Rhiner was a drug abuser who
went in and out of rehabit was homeland for a while.
Rob Ryan of course known as the son of brilliant
comedian Carl Reiner, and he became known for his role
in Normally as All in the Family, the TV sitcom.
He then went on to make so many brilliant movies,

(22:12):
including the drama A Few Good Men, the rock satire,
This Is Spinal Tap, the romance When Harry Met Sally,
the fantasy Princess Bride. So many really great films in
so many many different areas. Back in twenty sixteen, though,
he made a film called Being Charlie, based on a
script by his son Nick and talking about Nick Ryaner's
drug abuses, including well everything, cocaine, heroine, whole list. He

(22:34):
had a heart attack once on a plane because of
cocaine news, he threw a rock through a treatment center
window one time, and so on. Rob Reiner said that
the family had tried everything to deal with all of this,
and he said of the film version that they put.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Together, making this film not only forced me to see
what he was experiencing, but I think it forced him
to see what I.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Went through and what his mother went through.

Speaker 16 (22:59):
Now, well, there's in a flood of reactions and tributes
to Rob Reiner and Michelle. Comedians Billy Crystal and Murray
David went off to the Rhiner's home after their bodies
were found Billy Crystal near tears By accounts. Harry Sheer
from the Spinal Tap movie says of Rob Reiner, he was.

Speaker 5 (23:15):
A deeply caring character in his own right, and he
brought that to his.

Speaker 16 (23:21):
Work The Wonder Center. Yeah, Donald Trump, Michelle Rhiner actually
took the Trump photo on the original cover of Trump's
Out of the Deal book. Right after the murders, Trump
posted this on social media, calling Rob Reiner quote A
tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and
comedy star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle,
reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,

(23:44):
unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known
as Trump Derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as teds end quote.

Speaker 17 (23:53):
You know.

Speaker 16 (23:53):
There was an instant backlash to those disgusting remarks suggesting
these brutal murders were all about Trump, Republican Senator John
Kennedy saying Trump should have shut up. Republican Marjorie Taylor
Green saying this.

Speaker 10 (24:06):
I thought his comments were attrash, while.

Speaker 16 (24:08):
The Republicans speaker Mike Johnson simply ran away from reporters
when questioned today about the Trump remarks, at most find
beyond the pale.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Now, what do we know about this plot that the
FBI foiled?

Speaker 16 (24:19):
Yeah, well, in the midst of the mayhem, we know
that they've stopped a bomb that the bomb plot they
said could have turned New Years even into a blood
bath in southern California, arresting four men who had the
ingredients and detailed instructions for bomb making. These are said
to be members of some anti capitalist group calling themselves
the Turtle Island Liberation Front or whatever says prosecutor is say, Lee.

Speaker 18 (24:40):
We disrupted this terror plot before buildings were demolished or
innocent people were killed.

Speaker 16 (24:46):
These suspects are being arrested in the Mohave Desert, so
a couple of hours out of LA and officials had
taken aerial surveillance as these four were said to be
rehearsing their bomb plot.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Richard Scots talk to you, thank you very much for
That's Richard Arnold, a US correspondent. Morning is Heather doing
the Wednesday Morning Talk with Ginny and Mark Yep. Politics
Wednesday is on and that's after eight. Of course it's
eleven to seven.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Heather do Bussy Allen fond of my casking Breakfast with
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Speaker 2 (25:14):
Got Scott Dixon on the show later on, which I'm
particularly excited about because the guy is just an absolute legend.
Why he's back in I think he only flew back
into the country yesterday because I did a bit of
Facebook stalking or Instagram stalking or whatever it was, and
is on the plane only a day ago. And I
think he's coming back for this, which is the Sir
Colin Giltrap Raceway, which is a world class karting facility

(25:37):
in Auckland which is being opened, and of course Scott
Dixon is interested in it because, like many of the
great races and various forms, he started in karting. So
he's going to be with us after half past seven
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take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Now, the last bit of housing data dump for the
year has continued a pretty dismal end to the year.
Real Estate Institute of New Zealand showed that there were
seven thy two hundred residential property sales in November. That's
a four point four percent drop compared to October, and
it's a five point seven percent drop compared to November
last year. Now, Auckland's led the way with the decline
in sales volume. It's down six point six percent year

(26:19):
on year, but the rest of the country wasn't much better,
down five point three percent. Bear in mind, sales usually
increase in November because the spring and summer months, of course,
is the peak sales time is when you want to
be selling your house. It's only the sixth November, sixth
November and thirty three years that the sales count was
below October's. Now, price wise, there was very little in

(26:40):
the way of movement. The house price index was up
just zero point one percent in November compared to October,
so you can basically call that a nothing that continues
the trend of slow growth that Treasury pointed out in
the highfu yesterday, and the national median house price is
now eight hundred and eight thousand dollars. It's seven hundred
and thirty thousand dollars if you take out all one's numbers,

(27:00):
which obviously always over inflate things, don't they now? BONDI. Goodness,
I've hardly mentioned BONDI and BONDI is just still ongoing,
is you know? There is so much coming out of
Bondai at the moment. As you'd expect, we're hearing lots
about more of the heroes. There was the couple you
would have seen this if you were watching the news
last night, the couple who saw the shooters and they

(27:21):
seemed to be an elderly couple, saw the shooters get
out of the car with the ice I flag draped
over the windscreen, tried to take the guns off them.
Ultimately were unsuccessful. They ended themselves being shot dead. Then
you had if you saw the photograph or the video
of Ahmed al Ahmed trying to disarm one of the shooters,
you will have seen there was another chap who follows him,

(27:41):
runs up behind him and starts throwing bricks alongside him.
He is also something of a hero who ended up
being shot dead by the shooters. And then there is
another one who is a police officer. Police have come
in for some heavy criticism, you know, running away and
which it doesn't appear to be true. But yeah, there's
a police officer who got very close to the bridge,
took some shelter in it behind a tree and managed
to take out I think it was the father. There

(28:04):
was also a little bit of a truth torpedo that
was delivered. The daughter of the eighty six year old
who was shot and killed at Bondi was invited onto
ABC's Breakfast show and she was asked if she had
any messages for the government.

Speaker 19 (28:18):
Is this what she wanted? Alban Easy Wong? Will you
listen to us? Will you actually do something? Will you
actually I don't have to stand up and say anything
because we don't believe you anyway. And ABC, I've got
to say, will you cut out the biased reporting mainstream media?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
We feel we yeah, will you?

Speaker 8 (28:40):
Will you cut it out?

Speaker 19 (28:41):
Will you actually let us have a voice because we
feel that part of the reason that the Jewish people
have experienced such a massive change in Australia towards us, ABC,
please stop with a biased reporting.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Well, as you can imagine, the interview didn't go on
much longer after she dropped that truth torpedo on them.
I suspect that there will be a little bit of
reflection that is going on in various quarters of legacy
media about how various things have been covered and perhaps
and we're going to deal with this later on in
the program as well, but perhaps, you know, the going
hard on one side and completely ignoring not that there

(29:22):
is a binary thing here, but completely ignoring some of
the language that's coming out of the other side and
just kind of waving that through because we have, as
legacy media decided who the goodies and baddies are here. Anyway,
same problem with the BBC if you've been following that.
We'll deal with that later on the program. We've got
Nichola Willis with us next though, talking through the surplus
sostan tune stay tuned for that news talk.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Zb asking the questions others won't Heather Duplicy Allen on

(30:07):
the Mic Hosking Breakfast, We're the defender, embrace the impossible
news talks.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
There'd be morning and welcome. So, as predicted, Nichola Willis
has pushed out Surplus again, which makes it the third
year of delay in only two years of this government
being in office. The country's now forecast to first be
in the black and thirty so let's talk to the
finance minister, hid Nikola.

Speaker 20 (30:27):
Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Just clear this up for me. Are we borrowing right
now as a country just to pay our interest bill
on the debt?

Speaker 20 (30:34):
We are paying in part to pay the interest bill
on the debt, which is pretty big. It's more than
nine billion dollars a year, thank you labor. But as
we look over the next few years, around eighty percent
of our borrowing is for capital investments, so that's an
infrastructure unlike hospitals, schools and roads, so assets that we
will have for the future. Regardless, we need to get
that borrowing down, which means we need to get the

(30:56):
books back in balance, and that's what the government has
a plan to do.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
So why not run a zero budget like Bill English did.

Speaker 20 (31:04):
Because we do have pressing needs, for example, to invest
more in the health system to allow for a growing
and aging population, in the demands that people have, to
double the capability of our defense force, as we have
committed to our security partners to ensure that schools, teachers
and the like have a little bit more funding to

(31:25):
keep the lights on and keep doing their work. So
those frontline services require more funding just to stand still.
And we have committed as a equipment that we will
be delivering effective frontline services and making the funding commitments
needed to support that.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I mean he had the same pressing needs, didn't he
And he still managed to cut enough to run a
zero budget a couple of times.

Speaker 20 (31:45):
That's right, and we are doing a similar thing to
him in that in order to fund all of the
commitments that we have made, we will need to keep
finding ongoing savings and reprioritization. That's been our habit over
our first two budgets and which collectively we've delivered forty
three billion dollars worth of savings. Now, of course those
savings have allowed us to deliver tax relief to working people,

(32:08):
but also to increase funding to a number of services,
doing things like increasing the number of frontline police officers.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Do you think that you've cut everything that you can?
Is all the fat gone?

Speaker 13 (32:19):
No?

Speaker 20 (32:20):
I think we have to be pressing for.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
On what ongoing fat? Can you see?

Speaker 15 (32:26):
Well?

Speaker 20 (32:26):
I still think that there's room for more efficiency in
the public service. I have, together with ministers, identified other
areas where we think, look, are we getting in our
value for money to the taxpayer. There like what not? Convinced, well,
I will be taking a number of options to cabinet.
I don't want to get ahead of my cabinet colleagues
until we've made those choices. But the way I run

(32:49):
a budget is I send letters out to my colleagues saying,
here's some ideas for where I think you could make
some savings. Come back to me with what that would
look like. And by the way, in a few cases,
here's an idea for where you might need some more before.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean is for a start, why have you not
cut nearly, not even a fraction really of what Jacinda
and Grant piled in in terms of public servants.

Speaker 20 (33:12):
Well, we have cut both the absolute number of public
side how many more than by more than two thousand
from its peak.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Let me out break that down how many though exactly
how it's important to say how many they added? They
added more than fourteen thousand, and you've only.

Speaker 20 (33:32):
Cut two That's right. Our focus has been making sure
that we reduce the number of people and back office roles,
so the numbers there have come down quite a lot
more dramatically, whether that's admin staff, managers, policy analysts. But
we have increased, for example, the number of corrections officers,
that is the number of people in our prisons because
we're locking up criminals for longer when they violently offend

(33:55):
against people. So while some of those roles have increased,
on the front line office has been shrunk. Pretty certificate fairy.
Theres more work we can do there to be.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Fair that when we look at these numbers that you
talk about the front the front line does not increase
by anything like fourteen or twelve thousand.

Speaker 20 (34:13):
Well, it didn't over the time that labor were an offer.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
What I'm saying to you is you're fudging it slightly
by suggesting that you have cut really, really deep and
then increased the front line by a lot. You haven't.

Speaker 20 (34:23):
Actually, Well, we have cut the number of back office
rolls while also reducing the bill for external consultants and
contractors by around nine hundred million over the past couple
of years. For the again for context, the last National government,
all they did was cap the number of public servants.
They certainly didn't reduce it in ka terms. What about
what we've achieved so far?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
What about the free year of university to students, which
which has been criticized. It's a flop, it doesn't encourage enrollment.
Why don't you cut that?

Speaker 20 (34:52):
Well, we've done what we said we would in our
coalition agreement with New Zealand first, which was we took
the very ineffective first year at fees free and we
made it final years fees free. So you only get
those free fees if you actually have you.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Asked to Winston? Have you asked Winston if he would
be okay with you cutting it all together?

Speaker 20 (35:12):
I'm happy to put that question to him.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
How have you not put that question to him? Nikola?
I've been asking you about this for.

Speaker 20 (35:17):
Two years because the way the Coalition agreement works is
the commitments as they are in writing, is the commitments
as we deliver them, and so the commitment there in
the coalition agreement.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Now he wanted to move from the first to the
third year because having it in the first year is stupid.
But he might be open to cutting it all together.
And if you did that, you would say about a
billion dollars and four years.

Speaker 20 (35:38):
It's a question that I'm happy to put to him.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, why don't you end the national ticketing system?

Speaker 15 (35:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Because Wellington's doing it itself. Now it's spending five point
five mil on it. But Laura in line to spend
one point four bill, why not cut it?

Speaker 20 (35:50):
Well, I agree that that is an absolutely tormented project.
It's another one of the hospital passes that we have inherited.
That is something that Chris Bishop, as transferd Minister, is
looking very carefully at, because, like you, he can think
of a few better uses for more than a billion dollars,
and so he is examining carefully whether that's suspend that

(36:10):
we should be doing.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Okay, have you thought about stopping the welfare that you're
giving to parents who are earning combined more than two
hundred thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 20 (36:20):
Well, primarily that comes through working for families, for which
support increases when people.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Have this is your family boost, right?

Speaker 20 (36:29):
Well, no family boost is, yes, a payment that is
available to some people earning that amount in some circumstances,
if they have particularly high early childhood education.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Why not cut it? If you're on two hundred thousand,
you've got enough money.

Speaker 20 (36:43):
Because we're actually investing around about exactly what we campaigned
on investing in that policy. We made a commitment to
working parents who have very high early childhood education costs
that we would refund a portion of those and we're
keeping that commitment.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, okay, have you thought about maybe income testing the
winter energy payment because there are people who are getting
it and using it to warm the pool.

Speaker 20 (37:04):
Well, the Prime Minister sent out a commitment card prior
to the election and one of the commitments he made
was not to reduce the winter winter energy payment for superinutance.
You'll see a theme here which is where we've made
commitments to the New Zealand people, we think it's important
we keep them. And that's relevant not just for this
three years, it's actually relevant for the next elections.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Changed the change and the superlus has been pushed out
by three years, and maybe you need to start breaking
some promises and not wasting so much cash.

Speaker 20 (37:32):
And we are forecasting a return to surplus and the
biggest risk to that is the election of a labor
government who have shown no inclination to do any ongoing
efficiency or savings. And so what I need to do
is ensure that our government is keeping its commitments to
people that it made and its campaign pledges, while also
doing an absolutely consistent drive for more savings. And there

(37:55):
will be more opportunities at the next election for people
to set out their store. And I tell you this,
the stall of the National Party is going to be
far more fiscally disciplined than labor have ever dreamed of,
even pretending to be.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
All Right, Nichola, thank you very much for your time.
Have a lovely day. Nicola will as Finance Minister.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Quarter past the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
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Speaker 2 (38:20):
Done, Heather, after listening to that, I'm off to Australia. No,
don't do that, because Nichola is going to talk to
Winston about cutting the money. So it'll be okay. Eighteen
past seven. Now there may be something to the weeks
of allegations we've been hearing about the voter for auden Auckland.
A judge has avoided the results of the Puppa Toy
Toy subdivision in the Autarda Puppatoy Toy local board elections.
And this is after claims that seventy nine people didn't

(38:42):
vote even though votes were cast in their name. V
Hausier brought the case in as the former deputy chairman
of that local boarding with us hi Ve well, thank you.
So is basically what's been going on here is somebody
or groups have been going around stealing voting papers from letterboxes.

Speaker 13 (39:00):
What we do know is that there was groups of
people who didn't cast a vote but showed as voting
in the system. There was also groups of people who
didn't receive the voting paper, made the effort to go
and cast a special vote, only to be told that
they had already had already voted.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now we know of seventy nine. Is the suggestion that
it's bigger than that.

Speaker 13 (39:25):
Yeah, so I guess that's the postal ballot voting system.
It was really hard to It's easy to interfere with,
but half accountability to the numbers that we were able
to gether is a minimum, but we weren't able to
ring fence on maximums. That really kind of opened up
pendor's box. And as the judge described it in the hearing,

(39:47):
it was kind of like the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, okay, now, v this is a pretty good argument
for why we need to get rid of the postal
voting system, don't you think.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
Yeah, the postal ballot voting system had known risks, and
everyone knew of the risks in caase with having a
postal ballot voting system. Unfortunately, in Papatoito, the risks that
we all knew of came to fuce and so it's
a bit unseiling. But I am feeling quite relieved that

(40:18):
the issues that were raised and experienced in the community
was brought to the forefront and the judge ultimately made
a ruling that I think put us in good position
to make some good changes about our electoral system and
to move away from the postal developed voting system.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
All right, V, thank you very much for your time. V.
How is here? Former deputy chairman of the Altar of
Propatoritory Local Board hither That was better than I expect
the Ruth Richardson debate will be. Lindsey. That is absolutely
one hundred percent better than the debate is going to
be because the debate is now not going to happen.
Nicola Willis has won this one of them. I mean,

(40:56):
the wind goes to Nicola on this because Ruth Richardson
has chicken out. She put out a statement yesterday pulling
out of the debate, which I'm sorry to say makes
the Taxpayers Union look utterly ridiculous. In this for all
the time that they took up in the media, calling
out in Nicoller and challenging her to a debate and
saying they she said anywhere anytime, will be there anywhere anytime.

(41:17):
Well it turns out now they're not going to be
anywhere anytime. They're not doing anything. They are sissies now.
I suspect what they've done as they've realized. Yep, the
debate wasn't going to be great for Nicola, but it
actually probably wasn't going to be great for them either.
And I don't know which is worse. Fronting up to
the debate that you've been harping on about for all
week or pulling out of the debate that you've been
harping on about for all week. I would say the latter.

(41:39):
I would say, Yeah, chicken noise for them, win for Nichola.
Seven twenty one, the.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Mic asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Aheart radio, how
if my news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Heather Nicola didn't thrill me? That interestpill is going to
keep getting bigger. Yes it is. And I'll tell you what,
when you're borrowing to pay the interest bill on your
pre borrowing, you know you're in a little bit of trouble,
A like quite a big lot of trouble actually seven
twenty four now, David Seymour, I don't know that David
Seymore promising to revive the Treaty Principle's debate like he
is at the moment at next year's election is a
good idea for ACT at least. I don't know how

(42:15):
many voters it's going to win over because I don't
know how many voters will believe that's going to somehow
happen this time. I mean, what's actually changed, right, It's
most likely going to be the same three parties in
government after the next election, which are the same three
parties that didn't pass the Treaty Principles Build this term.
Chris Luxen will still most likely be the Prime Minister
after the next election, same prime minister who killed the

(42:36):
Treaty Principles Build this term. And if David Seymour couldn't
get it over the line when he actually had quite
a lot of leverage in the last lot of coalition negotiations,
why would he be able to get it over the
line a next year set of coalition negotiations when he
will presumably have diminished leverage. I think also part of
the problem here is that voters are over it. I
don't know about you, but I'm starting to get to

(42:56):
that point. I mean, I think some voters are less
angry now that Willy Nanaia and not running the joint.
They're just going to take the wins they've already got,
bringing back the referenda on Maori wards at council level,
killing off the co governance in water. And I think
that there are some voters who are just disappointed that
for all of the big talk from this government on
the quiet, this stuff is still being waved through by

(43:18):
the very government that David Seymour is part of co
governance stuff in Auckland's White Target he's waved through. Just
the other day we got two seats on Wellington Waters
new governance body just waved through. Now Seymour's got a
really big job on this if he wants voters to
a care again and b believe him that he's actually
going to make the change unlike last time together do

(43:41):
for see Allen um Heather. No government is ever going
to deliver the cuts required because, as the polls show,
we've got a large proportion of the population who just
aren't smart enough to stomach the truth. Penny, I think
you're onto something because then you get a text like
this morning, Heather, as a parent of a young child
in kindy, the quarterly amount that we get back is
so helpful. We got no tax breaks under the previous government.
This one helps a lot, Heather. It's more important to

(44:03):
warm the pool. You get more exercise and health for
a longer season, and that reduces pressure on the health system.
Lort you you live in a high decile part of
the country, don't you, Heather? How could that question not
be asked of Winston over the last two years? What
does Nicola Dilda? I don't know. I can't explain that.
I mean that seems like an obvious and easy cost

(44:24):
saving that would absolutely thrill center right voters. Anyway, listen
yesterday on the show, I said something that John Howard. Then,
when I'm not taking credit for it, I mean John
Howard like I'm not suggesting John Howard is a secret
listener to news Talk ZB in the early hours of
the morning in Australia. But John Howard has said exactly
the same thing that I said on the show this
time yesterday which is that Anthony Albanezi reacting to Bondi

(44:48):
by immediately tightening up the already tight gun laws is
quote an attempted diversion. He says the focus on guns
should not be used as a pretext to avoid the
broader debate about the spread of hatred, hatred of ju
Wish people and anti Semitism. Now, if John Howard is
saying that as the guy who did the first lot
of gun tightening, gun law tightening, it counts for something.
He's had a real crack at Albanesi over. Albanzi is

(45:10):
under a lot of pressure. By the way, in Australia
on this front, it was predictable from the start of
this massacre. We're going to talk about that shortly. But
Scott Dixon is with us. Next.

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Speaker 3 (45:43):
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Speaker 2 (45:46):
We do politics Wednesday for US after eight o'clock, but
right now at twenty three away from eight, it's a
big day of New Zealand motorsport. The Sir Colin Giltrap Raceway,
which is a world class charting for somebody in Auckland,
is officially opening now. The track builds on New Zealand
strong karting heritage and pathway to the world stage. It
will be opened by six time Indie Car champion Scott Dixon,
fifty nine career wins, the first key we to win

(46:08):
the Indy five hundred and Fresh Office twenty fourth season
and Scott Dixon is with us.

Speaker 14 (46:12):
Morning, Scott, good morning. It's good to be back home.

Speaker 21 (46:16):
It's been a little bit for me, so it's nice
to have a nice little rain show just recently here
in East Auckland and looking forward to getting out to
the go kart track a bit later.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I would have loved you to have arrived to a
lovely New Zealand summer, but unfortunately you've come just as
the cold snaps come through. But you just hang in there, Scott.
It won't belong here.

Speaker 14 (46:32):
It's clan, it's Colin. Don't worry now, have you.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
If you've just landed, you haven't had a chance to
look at this track yet, have you.

Speaker 14 (46:39):
No.

Speaker 21 (46:39):
We got in kind of late last night and then
we'll head out there this morning. You know, I think
it's huge and obviously I've heard you know about the
circuit through the Cunninghams and the people that have been
building it and cart sport and obviously you know the
girl traps as well for many years. But it's fantastic
that they've been able to get this development finished and

(46:59):
it's going to be huge definitely for you know, the
young talent that we have in New Zealand, and I
think when you look at New Zealand across many you know,
sporting achievements, we pack a big punch for such a
small country and motor racing with the heritage that we've
had here from you know, the early days of Bruce McLaren,
the tradition has been strong. So it's really really great

(47:19):
to see, you know that everybody has finally pulled this off.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
One of the lads was just saying to me earlier
in the news break that we don't actually have a
track like this, of this, of this world class standard
in Auckland. Is that the case?

Speaker 21 (47:31):
Yeah, I think it's you know, it to get to
different levels, whether it's you know for if I events
or or you know carting or championships and things like that.
Most of that is held in Europe for obvious reasons
and always has been. But I think, you know, back
even if you look at you know, higher categories to
to you know, the Tasman Series and when if one
drivers used to come down here, you know, to have

(47:52):
this kind of facility now, I think for for young carters.
You know, I even remember at my you know kind
of starting point eight through ten. You know, you do
trips to get to you know, world class circuits in
Australia and then you know, around the world. But to
finally have one here in New Zealand, I think it's
going to be a destination. And what's really cool about
Australia and New Zealand obviously being southern hemispheres, that it's
the opposite weather and things like that. So you can

(48:15):
have championships where you know, you can have some amazing
talent from Europe and America come down and actually race
and some some great championships.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, and presumably as a result of that, we only
get better and better, and we're already so fantastic around
the world. Litersen tell me you, I'm fascinated by the
fact that you are still doing what you're doing at
the level that you're doing at your age. What is
it that motivates you?

Speaker 21 (48:37):
I just love it, you know, I think for me,
you know, it's it's kind of that key we never
give up style as well and not you know, we're
still winning, which is which is we're in a sport
of winning.

Speaker 14 (48:48):
If you're not winning, you're going to be out.

Speaker 21 (48:49):
You know, to have twenty one consecutive seasons last or
this year with at least one win, you know, I
think the record was blown out maybe three or four
years ago. This year we had the record for most
podiums ever in IndyCar history, you know, a couple of
years back that most laps led ever at the end
OUTUS five hundred, which that record will never never be broken,
which is you know, one hundred and ten year tradition.

Speaker 14 (49:11):
So it's for me, it's it's the competition.

Speaker 21 (49:14):
You know, I love just I hate getting beat, so
that's the biggest thing, and just wanting to win. Obviously
this year with my teammate, had a steal a year,
so definitely have to step it up for next year
to try and go after that seventh championship.

Speaker 14 (49:27):
You know, in IndyCar. But no, I just love it.
I love racing.

Speaker 21 (49:30):
I've been given an opportunity by so many great you know,
family members, to supporters that I had here in New
Zealand that you know, including the gil Traps in PJ
and Craig Harrison, Kenny Smith. You know that the list
goes on that that enabled me. And I want to
make you know, I want to make it worthwhile for everybody.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Is it hard on the body, I mean, what are
you forty five?

Speaker 14 (49:48):
Yeah, you know, just a young young forty five.

Speaker 21 (49:52):
You know, I feel probably still in my early twenties
in the mind.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But but Scott, don't you feel it in your knees
sometimes when you get up or diligy hip drops out.

Speaker 21 (50:03):
Yeah, I do a lot of those, you know kind
of getting up and you know, those those groans. But no,
you know, I've been I've been fortunate. You know, we're
with with injuries and you know, obviously in IndyCar too,
the crashes can be pretty big. But lucky on that
side of things. But no, I love I love training.
I love the preparation, you know, I love just being
prepared and I think that's really helped the longevity of

(50:24):
my career for sure, So I do know that, you know,
I've got far less years left than when I first started,
and I just want to make the most of it
and I love doing what I do.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Is there a point, like, how do you know when
you're finished?

Speaker 21 (50:36):
I think I think it's you know, you probably get
tired or you start noticing the small things kind of
annoy you. Yeah, you know, for me, the racing is
still what I love the most. Okay, yes we have,
you know, a lot of other things around it. You know,
the driving part is so small now. I think when
you look at the whole scheme of things, and then
if you just getting you're getting beat so often, you know,

(50:57):
I think that's probably a pretty good time to hang
it up. So you know, for me, even with a
horrible season last year with so many penalties and engine
issues and things like that, you know, we still finished
it in the championship, so you know, we we're still
running strong. And for me, you know, we're still winning
and that's the main thing. So I think you'll know,
you know, I think it's different for everybody, but but
I'll definitely know when it comes from.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm trying
to sort of like get you to think about it.
It's just that it's just that you are, like, it's
quite remarkable the records that you are setting. Tell me something,
Why do you think we're so good at racing.

Speaker 14 (51:31):
I think it's somewhat of a mindset.

Speaker 21 (51:33):
But honestly, we have really good facilities, better facilities coming.
You know, I think we're we're in a lucky portion
even through my junior categories where I was talking about,
you know, the Southern hemisphere where you can have a
lot of internationals that come down.

Speaker 14 (51:46):
You know, it's very rare that you have that level.

Speaker 21 (51:49):
And you know with the Toyota series down here, you know,
Formula Forward and you know Formula B.

Speaker 14 (51:54):
For me, you know, you still.

Speaker 21 (51:55):
Had a very very high caliber of you know, driver
talent that you competed against and you could really see
where you stood. And then I think, I don't know,
it's just that it's the mindset to Quis are pretty relaxed,
but they work extremely hard. And I think that goes
not just for the drivers around the world, but the
mechanics and you know, even on the technical side and engineering.

(52:16):
You know, Keyi's a really loved in the world of
motor support. So you know, there's a lot of great
attributes for that, but yeah, I don't know. We've got
a lot of great talent down here.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Brilliant. I'm so pleased to hear that you think that, Scott,
and thank you so much for talking to us. Enjoy
your day and enjoy your key. We some of that
is Scott Dixon, indiecar champion and just honestly turning into
something of a ghost, isn't he sixteen away from at.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
The Mike asking Breakers a full show podcast on iHeartRadio,
how it by News Talks it be.

Speaker 20 (52:47):
Here.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
The Scott Dixon is an absolute legend, absolutely here the
perhaps Ruth Richardson pulled out of that debate because she
realizes how damaging it could be to the current government.
And I doubt the Taxpayers Union would like to see
Labor lead government at the next election. This is a
thing Chris Luckxen was pulling this one last week for
the knee when he was in studio, and then Nikola
did the same thing just before. No, you can't criticize us.

(53:09):
You might get Labor what a load of bs. No,
you won't. That is not the most likely outcome of
having a crack at the National Party. We're not all
of a sudden going to look at Chippy and Babs
Babs Edmonds and be like that looks like bet because
you haven't forgotten that was a crock when it was
in last time. No, the most likely outcome is that
National gets back in with ACT and New Zealand First.

(53:31):
But if National doesn't pull it socks up and start
running these books properly, the votes bleed out of National
into ACT and New Zealand First. You're already seen that
with New Zealand First going up in the polls. Act
is a little bit more difficult because you know there's
some they've been a little annoying in the last couple
of years. But I think you're more likely to see
a diminished National Party in the current setup than you

(53:52):
are to see a complete switch to Labor. So I
just just remember that when they use that line on you. Now,
twelve away from eight, I'm getting a lot of texts
still about where are the Greens, where's Chloe? And I
have to say I was disappointed yesterday it was the
first sitting day of Parliament and so Chloe was back
at Parliament first time since the massacre, and I thought,
surely the press gallery will bailor up ask her a

(54:14):
few questions about whether she needs to tone down the
anti Semitic rhetoric, because let's be clear about it, Chloe
is the one who went out there and publicly said
from the river to the sea blah blah blah, which
we know is interpreted in the most radical interpretation as
being basically, you know, Jewish people need to die. Now
that is the most radical interpretation, but a lot of
people do interpret it like that. Anyway, I thought, surely

(54:34):
somebody's going to ask her no questions that are reported not.
I can't see any reporting of Chloe being pressed on
whether she will tone down the anti Semitic rhetoric as
a result of what happened in BONDI I went an
out of look on our instagram. Nothing I can see
that's not saying anything publicly watched the entire speech in parliament.
Nothing that I can see did notsis though not a
Palestinian scarf in sight with the Green Party yesterday, which

(54:57):
is appropriate, I would, I think so anyway, bit of
disappointment on that front. However, I will make this prediction
for you that. I don't think that those words will
be crossing Chloe's lips anytime soon, if ever again, because
I think what we learned with BONDI is actually, if
you tolerate anti Semitism, right, if you keep on just
ignoring it, what is coming out of people's mouths and

(55:17):
the low level stuff that happens, you keep on ignoring it,
at some stage it does become probably something like this.
The Jews in Australia have been warning about this for
a very long time. What is interesting to note is
that everybody around the world seems to be going, whoop,
we need to change course here. Do you remember the
little blonde chap who's at Oxford University is one of
the students. In October o, footage emerged of him and

(55:41):
it went global, him shouting out Gaza, Gaza, make us proud,
put the Zio's in the ground. Do you remember that guy?
But basically what he was saying is like keell Jewish
people right, that guy. Nothing has been done to him.
I think Oxford suspended him, but other than that, he
was cruising around having a good time. Even though he
did that in October, last night cops knocked his door,
charged him. So all of a sudden, you can see

(56:03):
people have realized, Okay, can't be tolerating this, so watch
those words will not be said and the rhetoric will
be toned down by the Green Party in New Zealand massively.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Ten Away from eight Heather dupericl and on the My
Tasking Breakfast with the Defender and News Talks Dead b.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Heather, why don't you get Chloe on your show? Alistair,
I should have mentioned that we did dry but Chloe said,
you know, she said no, didn't She sticks away from eight?
Now I got a possible win for the General Practice
Owners Association. They reckon. They've had some really big interest
from GPS and setting up their own PHO primary health
organization to take on the big private guys. Dr and
Angus Chambers is the chair of the General Practice Owners

(56:41):
Association and with us Morning Angers.

Speaker 15 (56:44):
Good Morning.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So I was reading some we y had about one
hundred and sixteen different GP practice is interested. Can you
actually handle a number that big?

Speaker 15 (56:53):
Well, yes, I believe we can, but of course is
an unknown because this is a brand new organization. So
we've got a lot of ex experience within our network
and some good people. So I believe we can achieve
that goal.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
You would all worried that Health New Zealand won't say yes,
or is it just a box ticking exercise. You're fill
in the forms, you send them and they go yep,
off you go.

Speaker 15 (57:13):
Yeah, Well it's a little bit more complicated that. But yes, Look,
I do believe that they'll approve it. I mean, I
think it's been difficult for them. They're stretched organization, they've
got trouble making decisions sometimes. But we believe we've fulfilled
all the requirements. But yes, there's a possibility they won't
approve it. But when you see the level of interest,
it would be I think brave to ignore that kind

(57:35):
of pressure from the general practice community.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
What is motivating these guys to be so interested?

Speaker 15 (57:44):
Yeah, look, I think there's quite a few factors, but
I'd like to say number one is a kind of
a belief in our philosophies and our ability to deliver.
So just to correct your jenper is actually not forming
a PHR itself. That's kind of seed funded and facilitated
the forming of an affiliate gy PHO. But look, there's

(58:07):
widespread satisfaction within the general practice community and some of
it's because PHOS have somewhat gone off their path, we believe,
and are doing things that aren't the best for the
general practices. And look, in amongst it all, we've had
years of underbuding, extremely woeful workforce planning, which led to

(58:27):
some crisis crises that we're all well aware of. I
think PHOS are slightly wearing the heat from that because
of the general difficulties in providing a great service.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Hey, well, good luck with it, angus, and thanks for
keeping us in the Look the Tanngers Chambers, excuse me,
chair of the General Practice Owners Association, Lord, I should
have asked him about that while I had him as
a GP developed a cough overnight, I might be doing
I think I'm dying. I've got some fantastic numbers for
you on retail crime. By the way, this has come
from Aura. Now Aura is Jenny loves Aura, because Jenny

(58:58):
set the Aura up. Remember when you like, Oh, they
only reason the retail crime has gone up because Aura
is reporting all of it.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Well.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Aura now reckons that the National Party and the Coalition
government's doing fantastic I'll put the words in their mouths,
fantastic job. Because we've had a massive fall in retail
crime that involves violence. Offenses with weapons down twelve percent,
involving violence down six percent, retail crime involving threats down
five percent. Good news is this buck's the trend right,

(59:24):
because we've been going up to since then and Australia
is still going up and we're going down now. One
year doesn't make a trend. Obviously one year is not
a pattern, but it might indicate we're doing something right,
So you know, we'll ask you. And I noticed that
the media reporting it today had an extensive quote from
Mark Mitchell crowing about it, and then Ginny had been
approached for comments and said nothing. Well, here's her chance,

(59:46):
they with us next.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Opinion edit informed under apologetic.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
If here the duplessy Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast
with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life Your Way news.

Speaker 18 (01:00:07):
Talks, he'd be Well, the family drove in for the
holidays from three different time zones and five different steeds,
and this Christmas is going to be.

Speaker 22 (01:00:30):
A nightmare. Well, my brother in law had Nick point
b through back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Glenn reckons this could well become the next Grandma Gramdma
gout run over blah blah because it's awesome. This is
Brad Paisley. The song is called Let's Cry, Here's Laugh.
I mean I think I probably guess because who hasn't
been at that Christmas where someone gets lit in the
next minute. It's not a great time. Any everything is ruined.

(01:01:01):
Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson Politics Wednesday with Us. Now, how
are you too?

Speaker 20 (01:01:06):
Morning, Heather, Good morning Jenny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
You'll never have been at a party like one.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
I'm like, sometimes the family ones can get you know,
the other worse ones sometimes, aren't they?

Speaker 23 (01:01:16):
Are they?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
What happens? Ginny? What happens?

Speaker 8 (01:01:18):
You always have that there's an uncle or an auntie,
you know, and they sort of just have a couple
of months. You too many? You don't have those in
your family?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Oh yeah, I mean my family is part half my
family is from South Africa, so I can probably guess
what my uncle's like. And we all sit there going wow,
like this is just you need to lay off those
those castle lagers.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Mitch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
I'm not going to ask you. I don't want to
embarrass you to. Ginny's already taken one for the team. Actually, Ginny,
what about those retail crime numbers?

Speaker 8 (01:01:51):
Look, it's encouraging. We didn't set up or Or is
a private business, and so didn't they bring it to
increase the reporting. No, no, no, they're a private business.

Speaker 24 (01:02:01):
They set themselves up, they started in twenty fourteen. I've
sort of been on their journey a bit with them.
Amazing company, great New Zealand story, great people of the
Prime Minister, and I were at your new office last week.
They're great partners with police and yes, really encouraging to
see the numbers. Still a lot more to do, but

(01:02:22):
really good to see those violent crime stats coming down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, guny, are you going to congratulate Mitchi's obviously doing
some awesome work.

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
Well, it's good. It is good to see. I mean
we think, well, maybe it'd be better if they've got
the five hundred cops. But he's doing good. It's encouraging.
It's encouraging to see those numbers. And we saw globally
post COVID just weird spikes of really straight up crime,
and it's nice to see that we're actually doing better
than Australia in this space. I think things not having

(01:02:49):
good police in place, but also having things like facial
recognition has really changed, so some of those technology changes
we've seen in the past while have also I think
helped to improve because that's deff and what retailers tell.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Me, now, Mitch, what are we going to do about
the government books? What are you prepared to cut out
of your portfolios to save us in dollars?

Speaker 24 (01:03:09):
Well, we've already made big cuts. When we came into government,
we had to go through and we made significant cuts.
I had to do that in all of my port
files except for emergency management, and quite simply we were
just we cut. We had to cut back office expenditure
and read proprioritize and take that investment onto the front line.
And we have been doing that. But we've been said that,

(01:03:29):
We've been very clear and Nicholas been very clear that
we're going to make the cuts, but we're going to
do it in a measured way so that we don't
go into hard austerity and we don't cause more harm
and more pain to the country than is necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
And we can't carry on the way that we are
right because we're in the red for the rest of
the decade and we're just borrowing to actually pay for
the borrowing.

Speaker 24 (01:03:50):
Now there's there's a pathway back to surplus, and we
are committed to making sure that we're disciplined and we
stay on that pathway back to surplus.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
And that's the most important thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Jinny, are you still there? I heard a phone go beep.

Speaker 8 (01:04:03):
That's me sorry, that's that was someone trying to call me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Who was calling you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Was it Chippy?

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
It was my son Jack Holidays going to take joy
asking for something. It's that Jack, amzi Bee.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
So how old is Jack?

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
Jack is thirteen?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
So it never it doesn't even stop at thirteen. Th
Still it's the phone at thirteen?

Speaker 8 (01:04:21):
Ny, he well he has, yes, he does.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
And does he have access to the social media?

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
He does not.

Speaker 10 (01:04:29):
He does not have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Is this a family rule?

Speaker 20 (01:04:31):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
I just think you're too young. I don't want them
seeing silly stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
How hard is that for you to enforce?

Speaker 8 (01:04:38):
It's not easy. You have the odd fight, But I'm
pretty strong in it. I mean, as a lot of
page you get to say that the sort of sharp
end of when things go wrong with with local kids
in high schools with social media, and that really made
me realize that, you know, I definitely don't want my
kids being exposed to that. If I can help it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Yeah, totally. So if the National Party gets the courage
to actually follow that Albanese government and and the social
media for the kids under sixteen, would you support that?

Speaker 8 (01:05:04):
I think it's a good measure for Pearans to do it.
Like I think from what I've heard from Australians and
people an it gives parents a good ability to say, hey,
look is the rule in place, you can't have it.
I think realistically enforcing it it's going to be a
different story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
It's a good measure, but I think to be practical
if you really think you're going to keep all with
sixteen year olds off social media?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, but would they be support it? Would you guys?
Would you guys? Because the Act is going to be
a brat about it, so you're going to cross the
house and help them?

Speaker 8 (01:05:30):
Well, that's what we're supportive of it. We think there
needs to be more done as well, and where you
saw the Select Committee inquiry had some really good outcomes
in that, so we're generally supportive of it. We want
something that's practically workable as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Now, Jeannett, sorry, we got distracted by Jack. Look at
what he did.

Speaker 8 (01:05:45):
So I'm really hoping it doesn't call back here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
If there's anything like like the males of my family,
it will just be persistent until they get you on
the phone. What I was going to actually ask you
is what would you be prepared to cut to save
the government books?

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
You're asking me? I think the first point is that
Nicola made this measure up Obi gl X right to
get them into twenty six twenty seven surplus. And even
with the made up measure, it still won't happen until
twenty nine thirty. So it's really problematic. The fact that
the promise of making things better and cutting things was
going to help, and cutting things hasn't helped. It's actually

(01:06:20):
driven down the economy. It's lost more jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It all come on, now, the economy has been driven down.
Adrian or who forced a recession? I mean, these guys
are hardly cutting anything that's been more than you lot.

Speaker 8 (01:06:31):
I'll take you, I'll take you for a magian and
you can see, you can see the businesses of how
much of that was Tory though, how much my Tories
they did the lot, No, not Tories.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
The collective, just the one.

Speaker 24 (01:06:45):
What were you going to say, Mitch, Well, she didn't
answer the question when you said, what would you cut
and she's not going to give you an answer. The
reality is they're going to increase texas, They're going to
borrow more, they're going to spend more, and they're going
to put us right back in the situation that we
inherited to you ago and that we're working hard to
get ourselves out, well, drive ourselves out of. And just
think back to seven plus percent interest rates, think back

(01:07:07):
to a mess of increase and cost.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Of living and inflation.

Speaker 24 (01:07:12):
You know that they're don't have to think we're tracking
in the right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
And guys, I do have to take a break. I'm
going to get in trouble with Glenn Hang and it
takes eight. It's fourteen past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on a hard
Radio by News Talks A b.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Right seventeen Pass Out Your Back with Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson, Mitch, what did you think when you saw
David Seymore say he's bringing that the treaty principals debate.

Speaker 24 (01:07:39):
Oh, I just I didn't pay any attention to that.
We're not going anywhere near that as the national Party.
So that's something he can talk about but you know,
we've got no focus on that at all. We're focused
on the economy, law and order, education and health.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
So that's changed. He's not going to get this over
the line. You guys are not going to support this.
He can talk about it all he likes, but to
end up the same place it has this time.

Speaker 24 (01:08:02):
Yeah, we're just not speaking about that. He could talk
about it, but no, we're not interested in it at all.

Speaker 20 (01:08:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I can't imagine it's going to go anywhere. Then what
do you make Jenny of the Taxpayer's Union chickening out
with Nicola Willis?

Speaker 8 (01:08:13):
I don't know. It's an odd one, isn't it. We
all got little packets of FUDG for Christmas from you.
Fudg's written on it.

Speaker 17 (01:08:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:08:22):
I think it's kind of a bit of a distraction
really and trying to take away from the fact the
cost of loving is really huoting so many New Zealanders
right now. And I think that that's what hasn't changed,
That there was a promise that things will get better
in that space, and quite simply coming into Christmas, people
are really feeling it. So I think it's I think
it's just a distraction to be friends.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was great.

Speaker 24 (01:08:45):
I love the way Nicola came out and said, Okay,
you're going to run a campaign against You're going to
challenge me in terms of what I'm doing. We'll front up,
let's have a debate around it. So good Honor, absolutely,
one hundred percent, So good Honor, you know, and I
think that you know, show a bit assassin and got
out there and called them out, and I thought that
was great. And you know, that's that's that's that's a
great thing about our open democracy in New Zealand that

(01:09:09):
we can do that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
I mean, not letting people vote in the selection, letting.

Speaker 14 (01:09:13):
People vote it used to be.

Speaker 24 (01:09:15):
There's a responsibility that comes with that, Ginny. And if
people really take their vote seriously, I don't think it's
too big or impossible to getselves organized and get themselves
registered to vote. So we've we've we've we've let a
lot of blood in this country for the right to vote.
We've paid a high price for it, and we should
actually take it seriously and put a little bit of
effort into getting out there and getting registered a couple

(01:09:36):
of weeks before polling day to get out and use
your right tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Your phone has gone a bit funny, so I don't
know if you've gone.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
I don't know why that is. I'm doing everything right
and no one's calling me stick hand in the air.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
We'll touch a piece of metal and it might turn
into like you might extend yourself as an area that
right now, this is not science, Heather.

Speaker 8 (01:09:57):
You wanted.

Speaker 24 (01:09:57):
You wanted highlights and low lights from us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Do you still want that?

Speaker 20 (01:10:01):
Go on?

Speaker 10 (01:10:01):
Then?

Speaker 19 (01:10:01):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Okay?

Speaker 24 (01:10:03):
Well, so lowlight, they say, she not really a low light.
It was Jenny's continued offer to go to hot yoga
has been a bit of an interesting one for me.
I ever taken man Sarah as you know here that
she's the next police officer from the Mighty Northland. And
I listened to her counsel very carefully, and she's not
sure about these offers of hot yoga all the time.

Speaker 9 (01:10:23):
The lowlight, the.

Speaker 14 (01:10:25):
Low I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 15 (01:10:28):
The lowlight like black shorts, the lowlight.

Speaker 24 (01:10:34):
The lowlight for me obviously would be the loss of
Senior Sergeant Lynn Fleming on Newyear's Day this year. And
and I just want to make her I just want
to acknowledge Bryn her husband, Rayner and Aaron, her daughter
and son both Britain and are and are in the
police themselves. And of course Rayner Headlin's first little grandson,

(01:10:55):
Maniah in May of this year, it'll be their first
Christmas without her, and we can't remove their pain, but
we can certainly help carry.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
It with them.

Speaker 24 (01:11:04):
And I just want to give a shout out to
the now some police and Newson community in the whole
country that rallied around that family when they really needed it.

Speaker 25 (01:11:12):
One thing to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
So that's my shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
All right, Jenny, it's your turn then.

Speaker 8 (01:11:16):
Oh so Highlight, Highlight. I was pretty I've been got
great feedback from three free GP visits, so introducing a
clear way he will fund that through a CGT and
providing a pathway for affordable for free primary health care,
which has been long over due in New Zealand. So
I think there's many families wo are struggling with the
cost of living who have welcomed that change. Low Light

(01:11:40):
for me, My goodness. All the school lunches have been
ongoing with issues with kids getting burnt or just eating
gross food or not eating them, so I think that's
been an ongoing real sad thing from what was a
nice thing that was happening. But I would probably have
to say that it's just the cost of living that
continues to people at Christmas, So families going into Christmas

(01:12:03):
not being able to afford Christmas presence. I know, the
Many family right up.

Speaker 24 (01:12:06):
And hither hither just really, just really quickly, we saw
the tragedy unfold and bondo in the last sort of
seventy two hours. I just want to acknowledge our Jewish
and Muslim leaders in our country because in July this year,
we all came together at Government House and signed what
was called a Harmony Accord, and that is our leaders
both in our Jewish and our Muslim community, sending a

(01:12:27):
really clear message to us as a country. We're going
to do things a different way, and we're going to
use dialogue, and I want to so I want to
acknowledge them in a particular. I want to acknowledge our
Jewish community, whom we have wrecked around as much support
and care as we can to make sure that they
feel safe as we move into our Christmas and summer break.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I mean in richest great guys, listen, thank you so much.
Thanks for being part of the show for the year,
and Merry Christmas to the pair of you have a
lovely summer break and Mike be talking as well.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
It's Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Thanks, Merry Christmas is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Mark Mitchell, Giney Anderson eight twenty to Heather Dupas.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate
News Talk said, the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Heather the big issue for Ginnya's school lunch has give
me strength. I actually thought, I thought, oh, because I
was playing the guests and game, what's gin I thought
she Oh, she'll say the Maldi party imploding before her eyes. No,
not that heither. Listening to Ginny Anderson and Barbara Edwards
criticizing a lack of growth is like listening to the
arsonist criticizing the firefighters putting out a fire they started.
I think it's a fair few people thinking that heathern

(01:13:30):
Nichola can do no wrong in my book. Did you
see her on the red carpet over the weekend? Wow,
she sets a high bar. Jack Jack, you absolute perv. However,
Nicola is looking awesome, and you know if you if
you're I mean, what's what, Nah, It's fine, we can
we can do that. We can do this, we can
do this thing, we can do the objectification. It's fine
by me. I think Nicholas looking smoking at the moments.

(01:13:52):
Whatever she's doing, we all need to get onto that
thing and do it as well and shred for the summer. Now,
Miriam Webster's put out its word of the year. The
end the year, the dictionaries go out tell you what
their word of the year is. Their word of the
year is slop, a term used to describe low quality
digital content. They say this is digital content usually produced
in quantity by means of artificial intelligence. Examples such as

(01:14:16):
absurd videos, talking cats, and AI written books. Now, this
was also The Economist's word of the Year earlier this month,
and I didn't mention it at the time because I
looked at it and thought, I don't get it. Why
is this the word of the year. And then Marine
Webster's come out with it as well, so evidently, and
I think part of my problem is I'm not spending
enough time on social media, so I'm not getting served

(01:14:36):
up the slop. But if two different dictionaries are picking
at as the word of the year, there is obviously
a lot of crap out there, being produced by AI.
So if you're seeing it the Talking Cats and you're
thinking what a load of trash, You're not alone. We're
off to Australia next with Steve Price.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Credible compelling, the Breakfast Show You Can't Best It's Hither
Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Defender,
Embraced The Impossible, News Talks Dead b.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Twenty three away from nine Now. Former Ossie Prime Minister
Malcolm Turnbull has given an interview to Channel four News
in the UK. He was asked about Nitin Yahoo's criticism
of Australia, putting the blame on Albanzi and Australia for
declaring Palestine as a state.

Speaker 18 (01:15:24):
Do you buy that criticism from the Israeli government?

Speaker 23 (01:15:27):
Look, no, I do not, and I would respectfully say
to bibnet Yahoo please stay out of our politics. If
you've got that kind of commentary to make, you are
not helping. I know net Nyahoo, I know him pretty
well actually, and look I understand where he's coming from,

(01:15:47):
his passion.

Speaker 14 (01:15:48):
And so forth.

Speaker 23 (01:15:49):
But this is not helping and it's not right. I mean,
as Albanizi has said, and as we all know, as
were streeting is said in your country, the vast majority
of countries in the world or recognize Palestine as a state.
The vast majority, vast majority has supported to state solution. Indeed,
and I was Prime Minister Israel emotionally supported to state solution.

(01:16:12):
It doesn't any longer. We cannot allow these foreign wars
and conflicts to be imported here. We are a very
successful multicultural society.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
We need to ensure that.

Speaker 23 (01:16:24):
The wars in the Middle East, were wars in any
other part of the world, are not fought out here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Steve prices with us out of Australian Morning.

Speaker 25 (01:16:38):
Steve, you get out, Heather, I mean seriously, America Termbul.
I mean an ex Prime minister who I will listen
to and who does make some sense is John Howard
who went on Sky and went down to the Memorial yesterday.
He made the point that we have imported these foreign
wars into Australia and we have not been strong enough

(01:16:59):
on on deciding who comes to the country, where they
come from. And what we saw in Bondai on Sunday.
Heather is an example of that. I mean, Malcolm Ttermle Seriously,
she's just keep quiet quite frankly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Do you think Steve, that this is going to prompt
a change in your immigration settings?

Speaker 25 (01:17:18):
Not while Anthony Abneasy and Foreign Minister Penny Wong and
Home Affairs Minister Tony Berger in chard. No, it should
and the majority of Australians would like to see at
least an honest debate about not only just where people
come from, but how many. I mean, Australia at the
moment is bursting at the seams. Pauline Hanson like or

(01:17:41):
a low that turned up at Bondai yesterday with Barnaby Joyce,
who new recruit. The crowd cheered, everybody wanted to.

Speaker 9 (01:17:48):
Talk to her.

Speaker 25 (01:17:48):
They were slapping her on the back, and that gives
you some indication. I know emotions are raw there at
the moment, but Hanson was received like a hero. On
the op side of the coin. Tony Burke went down
there on Monday night and he was heckled in, booed
and told to get out of the place. So that's

(01:18:09):
the sort of anger there is about what Canberra has
and hasn't done.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Do you think this is a significant, And I mean
it's obviously extremely significant, but will it lead to massive
shifts in the way that people are voting and the
way that people perceive, for example, the legacy media and
the alleged critics of the alleged bias that they have displayed.

Speaker 25 (01:18:27):
And I think this is one of those defining moments
you have in the nation's history. And I think what
occurred there on Sunday night has so many layers to
it that I can't really understand where I should start.
But let's start with the human cost of this. One
of the victims, obviously, was the ten year old girl Matilda,

(01:18:50):
and her parents spoke at that at the flower display
there last night. Her father, Michael said he wanted the
crowd to know that she was a beautiful person. He
called her Matilda because it was the first of her
his children that were born in Australia. He was from
the Ukraine. He and his wife were Russian Jews that

(01:19:10):
came out of Ukraine. He said, he was holding it.
I mean, you can it brings you to tears. He
was holding a frame picture of this beautiful ten year
old girl. He said, we called him a Matilda because
we think it's the most Australian name that can ever exist,
so please just remember the name and remember her. It
was a very emotional appearance. The mother of Matilda said

(01:19:33):
she couldn't fathom how the monster killed her daughter, fired
at a child running for her father. It wasn't just
a bullet from a spray, It wasn't an accident. It
was a bullet fired at her. I can't imagine how
anyone could not have tears in their eyes hearing that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Were there enough police?

Speaker 25 (01:19:54):
There no And the premiere of I was Christopher Min's
at a media conference with Anthony Albniza yesterday, tried to
cover that up and he's now had to admit on
skylast night that there were basically two young constables only
armed with pistols, who were Their job that day was

(01:20:17):
to patrol Bondi.

Speaker 20 (01:20:18):
That was it.

Speaker 25 (01:20:20):
A third police officer joined in that at some moments
after it started, and then the whole response came. These
two officers both shot and a friend of mine told
me yesterday that the younger of the two had only
been out of their police academy for four months. He's
now in a serious and critical condition in hospital, shot
in the head, and the clavicle and has lost his sight.

(01:20:43):
Now this is just a response that you can't imagine
how we could let this happen. I mean, there was
thousands of Jewish Australians on a beach in Bondi celebrating
Harneker and you had two only junior police officers. And
the only reason that the father of these two terrorists
is dead that a detective in playing clothes from Bondi

(01:21:05):
managed to sneak up behind them. He was hiding behind
a tree and had just think of this. These two
guys were armed with high powered rifles, shotguns and high
powered rifles bolt action. This detective shot dead that fifty
year old father from forty meters with a police revolver. Now,

(01:21:27):
anyone I've spoken to I know nothing about firearms, but
I have spoken a couple of experts. They tell me
that does a miracle shot. To hit someone from forty
meters way and kill them with a police revioval was extraordinary.
You can see the video. You can look at it.
He creeps up behind a tree. It was just extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I have actually seen the video and you're quite right.
I mean, it seems quite strange that this is happening.
At the moment. And then the third Ashes Test is
about to get underway in.

Speaker 25 (01:21:51):
Adelaide today and I mean as they should. There'll be
minutes silence from both teams, the English and the Australian teams.
They will both sides will wear black armbands. All the
flags obviously will be at half mass. John Williamson will
sing Hatred Blue for the crowd. Now, I've been at
Adelaide over when a very good friend of mine, ex
test cricket of David Hooks's funeral was held and the

(01:22:14):
whole crowd were in tears. The whole crowd and there'll
be fifty thousand plus at Adelaide today will be in
tears when that happens at around about eleven o'clock Adelaide
time this morning, as they should be. But this thing
is going to reverberate around Australia for the entire summer.

(01:22:34):
And you know this is my last chat on the
show for the year. But I wouldn't be surprised if
this has severely damaged the reputation of Anthony alban Easy
and it may be his line in the sand moment.
He may not survive this. He may end up next
year being forced to step down. And I don't say
that loosely, as you know, I think it's damaged to me.

(01:22:58):
Report Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I think you're banging on this listen. Thank you so
much for all your work this year. Merry Christmas to
you and your family, and I hope you have a
lovely one. That's Steve Price out of Australia. I think
Steve's bang on a like from the very start, because
this has been a criticism of Anthony Albanezi, the lack
of action on the threats to the Jews. The minute
it happened, you knew he was in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
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Speaker 25 (01:23:24):
At be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
You know, I was just thinking when we were talking
to Steve, I don't have I don't often give a
lot of credits to Ja Sinda Ardern, but if you
are one of those people having just watched the movie,
if you're one of those people who still think, oh,
anybody could have done the Mosk attacks as well as
she did it the way that she led the country
through it, I hope that you're watching what's going on
in Australia and realizing that actually not anybody could have

(01:23:48):
done it as well. We don't have a lot of
good things to say about her during, you know, for
the six years she's put the country through. But if
there's one thing you can say, incredible at bringing the
country together after March fifteen. Look Elbow's doing. It's not
as easy to do as you might think. It is
eleven away from nine. I meant to mention this to
you yesterday, by the way, and I completely forgot. But
there is another twist if you've been following the Salt

(01:24:10):
Path drama. There's another twist in the Salt Path drama,
the latest. This is the one, by the way, if
you haven't watched The Salt Path, it's on one of
the streaming might be Neon, I'm not really sure, but
it's the one with Gillian Anderson and and what's his face?
Her god is Willy out in White Lotus Jason Ryan.

Speaker 20 (01:24:27):
Was that his name?

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Something like that, Jason Isaacs. Anyway, this is one where
Gillian's amazing the movie. The movie is based on the
book The Salt Path. The book, we now find out,
is completely made up. It is complete. It's been passed
off as reality as complete fabrication anyway. The latest is
that the author's niece reckons that the author sent a
letter to her sister. This is the niece's mum. The

(01:24:49):
author sent a letter to the sister admitting that she
had stolen twenty five thousand pounds from her in laws
after the bank threatened to take the money and take
her home away and the niece went before the mum died.
Mom gives the letter to the niece. Niece has got
the letter in her hot little hands, she says. The letter, says.
The Observer, which has been running all the stories in
the UK on this reckons I've read the letter, and

(01:25:09):
the letter says, please don't look any further for the money.
I've taken it, all of it. I have to ask
you not to take things any further with the bank,
but tell them it was just a mistake. I have
a police record and should this go any further, I
will go to prison. This time, in a mid panic,
when the mortgage was threatening to foreclose, I transferred twenty
five pounds from Tim's mum and dad's account to Tim's.

(01:25:31):
And then the letter goes on to explain that the
elderly couple were left with hardly any money as a resultant,
so they had to stay in a barn conversion on
the property. I think over winter. I'm she's not sure
about overwinter. I might have made that up just to
make the story in my own head more dramatic. Anyway,
Rayna Wynn, who is the author real name, Sally Walker,
denies it, but then again she denies everything. But then again,

(01:25:53):
maybe it runs in the family and they all just
make things up. Who knows? Nine away from knowing.

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Little about this yesterday and he was pretty excited about it.
This was the impending speech from the new MI six boss,
so you don't get a lot of these things from
Mi six bosses. And she didn't disappoint I mean, like,
I literally have no idea what she said, but she
fronted up for the camera wearing a massive brooch in
the shape of a bee. Now, if you like your
James Bond, and you know you're James Bond, you'll know
that's probably a cheeky reference to Moneypenny, who loved a

(01:27:30):
brooch in the shape of the bee. Five away from.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Nine trending now with the MS Warehouse the Real House
of Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
So well, Trump he was offered a chance to, perhaps
I don't know, pull back on his rhetoric about Rob
Ryner after his truth social post went off. He didn't
do that.

Speaker 8 (01:27:47):
Well.

Speaker 17 (01:27:47):
I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was
a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned. He
said he knew it was false facts to the exact
opposite that I was a friend of Russia, control by Russia.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
You know, it was the Russia hoax. He was one
of the people behind it.

Speaker 17 (01:28:04):
I think he heard himself in career wise, he became
like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
So I was not a fan of Rob Reiner.

Speaker 17 (01:28:13):
At all, in any way, shape or for him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
I thought he was very bad for our country.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Wow, that guy's not read the room. I don't know
if you've seen this, but his White House Chief of Staff,
Susie Wilds, has given a set of interviews to Variety,
and Variety's gone public with them and in them she
describes Donald Trump as having an alcoholics personality. Now, she
has subsequently put out a statement on Twitter or something

(01:28:37):
or other saying basically was taken out of context and
it's been misinterpreted. She was trying to be nice about him.
She was trying to say high functioning alcoholics, or alcoholics
in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink. And
so I'm a little bit of an expert in big
personalities because I think her dad was an alcoholic and
he governs with a view that there's nothing he can't do, nothing, zero, nothing. Anyway,

(01:29:01):
She's adamant that she wasn't saying anything nasty about Donald
always that.

Speaker 14 (01:29:05):
As a compliment.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
When people say that I'm making like an alcoholic, yep,
I think I always thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, because because alcoholic equals fun, right, fun, fun, crazy, unpredictable,
everybody loves you anyway, that if you if you listen
to the insides, you know that what that what gets
reported from within what is going on in Washington. Susie
may have in fact been sidelined somewhat, So read into
it what you will. Maybe she didn't mean it, Maybe

(01:29:32):
she didn't mean it. Maybe being an alcoholic as a compliment.
Who knows anyway, we will see you tomorrow. Have you
said a lovely day? News Storms have been.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
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Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
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