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March 23, 2022 12 mins
Those who follow Australian politics will know the name Kevin Rudd.  
He was, of course, the Australian prime minister from 2007 until 2010 and then had another short stint in 2013.   
Since leaving office, he's become an expert on China and Chinese relations with the West.  
His new book ‘The Avoidable War’ discusses that very subject.  
Kevin Rudd joined Mike Hosking. 
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