Russians are trying to flee the country after Vladimir Putin's military call up, and flights out of the country are starting to sell out.
The Kremlin say these reports are exaggerated.
Meanwhile Ardern is pouring cold water on expelling our Russian ambassador, saying it's not a very meaningful option.
With us now is Director for the Centre for Defence and Security Studies at Massey University, Rouben Azizian.
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