Tonight, on the Sports Huddle with Andrew Gourdie & Matt Brown: The future of Super Rugby Playoffs
Newshub Sports Presenter Andrew Gourdie told Heather du Plessis Allan “I prefer to have a top six, give the top two a week off, three through six playoff, then semifinal.”
Gourdie said “The competition bosses would like to get an extra week out of this – a bit more money, more bums on seats.”
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
I have the rate to finish my swing at your
case of mine. She's right away. Clopark is right.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's easy to say fancentric, but the reality is what
do we do in a tangible sense to make this
competition more appealing, more rivals, more thumbs on seats.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's a humbling moment from myself and my family and
farm with Thomas.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
So yeah, I'm still trying to pinch myself on the
sports saddle with us. This evening we have Andrew Gordy,
News Hub sports presenter and Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation
media manager. Lads.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello, do you.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Hi Gordy?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hello Gordy? What's your preference? Would you like? This is
for the playoffs and Super Rugby? Would you like a
conference style playoff or would you just like a top six either?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think we can all agree that the biggest problem
with the Super Rugby plaoffs this year is that the
Crusader the art and it so I think any system
that moves to somewhere that you know the Crusaders can
finish last but still being the playoffs will be best
nine joking obviously, I'd prefer to have a top sex,
give the top two a week off, have to have
three through sex playoff.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then have a semi five is still too many, Gordia.
I mean, should we maybe be thinking about four?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We've kind but I don't think that the competition bosses
will agree with you there. They'd like to eake an
extra week out of the bit more money if you've
want ump on teat that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, what do you reckon that?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I agree with Andrew years six out of the eleven teams.
I mean it's you know, three at home to six,
four at home to five and then the semi finalcy
of three weeks of playoffs. That's about right.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
There.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Obviously be a by during the competition for teams with
the round you know, with the MC rebels not being
there uneven numbers, so maybe we can reduce the amount
of weeks that the all blacks are given off from
the competition too, So it might be not being a
good thing, you know. Personally, I think less is more
and I'd probably want to see a Super ten and
have more quality rather than some of the rubbish we
(01:57):
got off at points this year. I think the year
the top few teams, Sure there's real quality, but that
it is what it is, and it's going to be
eleven next year and it's probably going to be a
little bit messy. But the other thing they take into
account to is the actual length of the competition, the
amount of weeks they've got. You can't have a full
home and away for example, which is you know, maybe
a shame of a league format home and away would
be quite a good way to do it.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I think Gordy hasn't Matt just struck on the actual
problem with Super Rugby, right. Super Rugby was sold to
us as a super competition like it was the best
of the best. It was going to be Rugby on steroids.
Actually a lot of it is crap.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
A lot of it is crap, and it's because it's
got an uneven competition and the only way to fix
that is to allow freedom of movements between all of
the franchises so you level out the competition. Unfortunately, that's
probably going to mean allowing all blacks to play for
Australian teams, things like that, but that's actually got If
you improve the quality of the competition right across the board,
more people are going to watch it. You're going to
(02:52):
get more people coming to games, and that's only going
to improve the competition and get more made from broadcasters,
all of those sorts of things that can only be
a positive.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, you speak so sense there, Matt. How do you
feel about video reefing and tennis? Do we need more
of this? Do we actually need to introduce so?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
No? Quite, simply no. Now, look, we've already we've already
got the line judgets being replaced by the hawkway technology
now so and for the most part, I think it works.
In tennis, there is the odd call and you tend
to get it more on the clay with the marks
which the always used to have, you know, the ballmark
before they introduced it, and hence you know, we had
(03:27):
the Coco goth incident yesterday. But overall, no, I think
that would just slow the game down so much more.
And we've seen what it's done to other sports and footballer.
I mean in some countries want you know, want va
want to scrap VAA. It's already happened, I think in
Scandinavia and Sweden, and I know the English clubs voted
to keep it, but I still think we should keep it.
(03:49):
Bat and needs to be refined and better and quicker.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, Gordy what did you. You're a football fan, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I am a huge football fan, and I've really gone
backwards and forwards on this particular issue right throughout the afternoon,
because at the end of the day, any sport, no
matter what sport we're talking about, sport is an entertainment product, right,
And there was something entertaining about Coco Goth having an
argument with the chair umpire, right, Yeah, it gives us
a point of conversation. Now, if you eliminate that from sport,
(04:16):
yes you're going to get the extra calls, but are
we going to be as entertained as we previously were?
Matt Ray is a very very valid point about var
in particular in football. It has slowed the game right down,
and we hate what it's done to football, But hasn't
actually turned anyone away from football. I'm not sure that
it has. They're all still there, they're all still watching.
(04:36):
So yeah, I'm a bit fifty fifty to be honest
about the introduction of technology into any sport, and tennis
would be a big one. It would be a huge change,
I think to tennis. But look, if you're going to
hold a gun to my head, I think i'd still
rather have the chair.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Maybe this will solve a view. From what I can see,
it doesn't. Introducing video into tennis would not have solved
Coco Gov's problem, right, because what happened was the ball
came towards her landed, was called out, and because it
was called out, she returned served like really lazily, right,
and then it was called in afterwards. She should have
because it was called out, she should have been allowed
(05:11):
to continue her serve the way it was and it was.
It should have just stood right. Video reffing will not
have changed that situation.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Now, I'm not sure why. It depends on how you
apply the rules. And you know, that's part of the
problem I think we've got with you know, rugby in particular,
but also in our Arouland football. There's sort of a
statute of limitations almost about what were video can be
applied and where it can't. So that would have to
be something that tennis officials would have to consider. But
I've got to say our side with Coco on this.
It should have been replaped.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay, guys, we'll take a break, come back to you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Short left the Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southeby's
International Realty exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right, you're back of the sports title, Matt Brown Andrew
Gordy Speaking of the football, Matt, do you reckon Alex
Paulson being signed by Bournemouth. Bournemouth in the EPL is
going to make a whole bunch of kids in New
Zealand just dream big and go hard at playing football.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Absolutely, Look, the EPL is the be all and endoor.
I think as far as most key we kids are
partly due to their parents. I'm no different. My son
is addicted to watching Liverpool, for example, and so if
he plays for Born Myth, Born Myth in the Premier
League and actually gets starts and becomes the first team keeper,
just like Kiwi's love to see Chris Wood and they
(06:22):
go gaga when he comes down to New Zealand and
has played for Norway. Same thing back before him Ryan
Nelson when he was at Blackburn and Spurs Winston Reed
at west Ham. The Premier League is everything. In fact,
a lot of our players are playing in Europe and
yet they are not necessarily getting the say they're not well,
They're not getting the same exposure despite you know, Liby
Cacaci playing in Serie R. It just does not have
anywhere near the profile in this country that the Premier
(06:44):
League does, so it will be massive for a generation
of kids.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Gordy.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Is he good enough to become the first keeper?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, I mean yeah he is. I think he's clearly
demonstrated the season with the Fomat that he's a prodigious talent.
And what I think is incredible here that is that
this is twenty one years old, He's had one season
in the A League, He's yet to play an international
for his country, and yet he's been spotted by an
English Premier League club. Now what does that tell you
about modern football modern sport? You can be spotted anywhere
(07:15):
and that never used to be the case. And I
really think, especially in recent years, you know, we now
have quite a number of young talented footballers playing in
you know, elite competitions around the world, and I think
that's only going to grow. But like you say, if
kids can see it and believe it, they will continue
to do it. So yeah, it is going to attract
(07:35):
more kids to the sport, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, I'm so pleased about that. Hey, Matt on the
Formula one. These guys are promising smaller, greener, more for
energy efficient cars from twenty twenty six. Do you like
what you see? Have you got concerns about it?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Look, I'm not a petrol head. I've put my hand
on the table there. But I'll tell you what I love.
I do love Formula one. I never got into Formulae
at all. The silent cars don't do it for me.
So cleaner, greener, are they going to be quieter? I
mean not to sports fans love the noise, you know,
the the days of the vs. The supercars, the mist
and mobile five hundred, Pocker coed, these great events that
(08:08):
we've had over the years. To me, no, I wouldn't
make those changes. I think it needs to stay as
it is.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No, totally because Gordy Lewis Hamilton already he has already
heard from other drivers that these cars are slower. That's pointless,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
That is totally pointless. And Matt, I'm totally with you.
We call them the sewing machines are the Formula E
cars because they do. They sound like piwing machines going
around the train. And what people want is they want
the noise, they want the speed, and they want drivers
that hate each other. If you get those three things
in Formula one, that's a recipe for success. And I'm
not sure this is heading in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's all right, guys, listen, enjoy your week in a sport.
Thank you so much appreciated Andrew Gordy, News Hubsport presenter
and Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talk sai'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
I have the rate to finish my swing at your
case of mine. She's right away. Clopark is right.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's easy to say fancentric, but the reality is what
do we do in a tangible sense to make this
competition more appealing, more rivals, more thumbs on seats.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's a humbling moment from myself and my family and
farm with Thomas.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
So yeah, I'm still trying to pinch myself on the
sports saddle with us. This evening we have Andrew Gordy,
News Hub sports presenter and Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation
media manager. Lads.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hello, do you.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Hi Gordy?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Hello Gordy? What's your preference? Would you like? This is
for the playoffs and Super Rugby? Would you like a
conference style playoff or would you just like a top six either?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I think we can all agree that the biggest problem
with the Super Rugby plaoffs this year is that the
Crusader the art and it so I think any system
that moves to somewhere that you know the Crusaders can
finish last but still being the playoffs will be best
nine joking obviously, I'd prefer to have a top sex,
give the top two a week off, have to have
three through sex playoff.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And then have a semi five is still too many, Gordia.
I mean, should we maybe be thinking about four?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
We've kind but I don't think that the competition bosses
will agree with you there. They'd like to eake an
extra week out of the bit more money if you've
want ump on teat that sort of thing.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, what do you reckon that?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I agree with Andrew years six out of the eleven teams.
I mean it's you know, three at home to six,
four at home to five and then the semi finalcy
of three weeks of playoffs. That's about right.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
There.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
Obviously be a by during the competition for teams with
the round you know, with the MC rebels not being
there uneven numbers, so maybe we can reduce the amount
of weeks that the all blacks are given off from
the competition too, So it might be not being a
good thing, you know. Personally, I think less is more
and I'd probably want to see a Super ten and
have more quality rather than some of the rubbish we
(01:57):
got off at points this year. I think the year
the top few teams, Sure there's real quality, but that
it is what it is, and it's going to be
eleven next year and it's probably going to be a
little bit messy. But the other thing they take into
account to is the actual length of the competition, the
amount of weeks they've got. You can't have a full
home and away for example, which is you know, maybe
a shame of a league format home and away would
be quite a good way to do it.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I think Gordy hasn't Matt just struck on the actual
problem with Super Rugby, right. Super Rugby was sold to
us as a super competition like it was the best
of the best. It was going to be Rugby on steroids.
Actually a lot of it is crap.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
A lot of it is crap, and it's because it's
got an uneven competition and the only way to fix
that is to allow freedom of movements between all of
the franchises so you level out the competition. Unfortunately, that's
probably going to mean allowing all blacks to play for
Australian teams, things like that, but that's actually got If
you improve the quality of the competition right across the board,
more people are going to watch it. You're going to
(02:52):
get more people coming to games, and that's only going
to improve the competition and get more made from broadcasters,
all of those sorts of things that can only be
a positive.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yeah, you speak so sense there, Matt. How do you
feel about video reefing and tennis? Do we need more
of this? Do we actually need to introduce so?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
No? Quite, simply no. Now, look, we've already we've already
got the line judgets being replaced by the hawkway technology
now so and for the most part, I think it works.
In tennis, there is the odd call and you tend
to get it more on the clay with the marks
which the always used to have, you know, the ballmark
before they introduced it, and hence you know, we had
(03:27):
the Coco goth incident yesterday. But overall, no, I think
that would just slow the game down so much more.
And we've seen what it's done to other sports and footballer.
I mean in some countries want you know, want va
want to scrap VAA. It's already happened, I think in
Scandinavia and Sweden, and I know the English clubs voted
to keep it, but I still think we should keep it.
(03:49):
Bat and needs to be refined and better and quicker.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah, Gordy what did you. You're a football fan, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I am a huge football fan, and I've really gone
backwards and forwards on this particular issue right throughout the afternoon,
because at the end of the day, any sport, no
matter what sport we're talking about, sport is an entertainment product, right,
And there was something entertaining about Coco Goth having an
argument with the chair umpire, right, Yeah, it gives us
a point of conversation. Now, if you eliminate that from sport,
(04:16):
yes you're going to get the extra calls, but are
we going to be as entertained as we previously were?
Matt Ray is a very very valid point about var
in particular in football. It has slowed the game right down,
and we hate what it's done to football, But hasn't
actually turned anyone away from football. I'm not sure that
it has. They're all still there, they're all still watching.
(04:36):
So yeah, I'm a bit fifty fifty to be honest
about the introduction of technology into any sport, and tennis
would be a big one. It would be a huge change,
I think to tennis. But look, if you're going to
hold a gun to my head, I think i'd still
rather have the chair.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Maybe this will solve a view. From what I can see,
it doesn't. Introducing video into tennis would not have solved
Coco Gov's problem, right, because what happened was the ball
came towards her landed, was called out, and because it
was called out, she returned served like really lazily, right,
and then it was called in afterwards. She should have
because it was called out, she should have been allowed
(05:11):
to continue her serve the way it was and it was.
It should have just stood right. Video reffing will not
have changed that situation.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Now, I'm not sure why. It depends on how you
apply the rules. And you know, that's part of the
problem I think we've got with you know, rugby in particular,
but also in our Arouland football. There's sort of a
statute of limitations almost about what were video can be
applied and where it can't. So that would have to
be something that tennis officials would have to consider. But
I've got to say our side with Coco on this.
It should have been replaped.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay, guys, we'll take a break, come back to you.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Short left the Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southeby's
International Realty exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right, you're back of the sports title, Matt Brown Andrew
Gordy Speaking of the football, Matt, do you reckon Alex
Paulson being signed by Bournemouth. Bournemouth in the EPL is
going to make a whole bunch of kids in New
Zealand just dream big and go hard at playing football.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Absolutely, Look, the EPL is the be all and endoor.
I think as far as most key we kids are
partly due to their parents. I'm no different. My son
is addicted to watching Liverpool, for example, and so if
he plays for Born Myth, Born Myth in the Premier
League and actually gets starts and becomes the first team keeper,
just like Kiwi's love to see Chris Wood and they
(06:22):
go gaga when he comes down to New Zealand and
has played for Norway. Same thing back before him Ryan
Nelson when he was at Blackburn and Spurs Winston Reed
at west Ham. The Premier League is everything. In fact,
a lot of our players are playing in Europe and
yet they are not necessarily getting the say they're not well,
They're not getting the same exposure despite you know, Liby
Cacaci playing in Serie R. It just does not have
anywhere near the profile in this country that the Premier
(06:44):
League does, so it will be massive for a generation
of kids.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Gordy.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Is he good enough to become the first keeper?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, I mean yeah he is. I think he's clearly
demonstrated the season with the Fomat that he's a prodigious talent.
And what I think is incredible here that is that
this is twenty one years old, He's had one season
in the A League, He's yet to play an international
for his country, and yet he's been spotted by an
English Premier League club. Now what does that tell you
about modern football modern sport? You can be spotted anywhere
(07:15):
and that never used to be the case. And I
really think, especially in recent years, you know, we now
have quite a number of young talented footballers playing in
you know, elite competitions around the world, and I think
that's only going to grow. But like you say, if
kids can see it and believe it, they will continue
to do it. So yeah, it is going to attract
(07:35):
more kids to the sport, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, I'm so pleased about that. Hey, Matt on the
Formula one. These guys are promising smaller, greener, more for
energy efficient cars from twenty twenty six. Do you like
what you see? Have you got concerns about it?
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Look, I'm not a petrol head. I've put my hand
on the table there. But I'll tell you what I love.
I do love Formula one. I never got into Formulae
at all. The silent cars don't do it for me.
So cleaner, greener, are they going to be quieter? I
mean not to sports fans love the noise, you know,
the the days of the vs. The supercars, the mist
and mobile five hundred, Pocker coed, these great events that
(08:08):
we've had over the years. To me, no, I wouldn't
make those changes. I think it needs to stay as
it is.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
No, totally because Gordy Lewis Hamilton already he has already
heard from other drivers that these cars are slower. That's pointless,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
That is totally pointless. And Matt, I'm totally with you.
We call them the sewing machines are the Formula E
cars because they do. They sound like piwing machines going
around the train. And what people want is they want
the noise, they want the speed, and they want drivers
that hate each other. If you get those three things
in Formula one, that's a recipe for success. And I'm
not sure this is heading in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
It's all right, guys, listen, enjoy your week in a sport.
Thank you so much appreciated Andrew Gordy, News Hubsport presenter
and Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talk sai'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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