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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Let's get connected. You stalk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,
We've got the sports huddle with us after half past
five ahead of the weekend's sport We're starting up the
country's payments to the UN Agency in Gaza again after
those allegations being tied up with CAMAS. We're going to
speak to Helen Clark, former Prime Minister. Apparently the NCEEA
exam on reading includes deciphering memes. I know, we'll talk

(00:33):
to somebody about that. And also Martha from Baby Reindeer
is suing Netflix, so we'll go to California and find
out how strong her case is.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
The Australian change of heart on the five ozho ones
didn't last long very much do today and they flip
their position today They've issued a new directive. Now, what
this is going to do, essentially is it's going to
force decision makers when the decision makers are considering whether
to send a five ozho one back to New Zealand
or wherever else they now have to put more emphasis
on Australian safety when they make their decision, which was

(01:04):
previously they had to put emphasis on whether the person
actually had a connection to Australia. So basically, in a nutshell,
what it means is that we're probably going to go
back to the bad old days of the five Oho
ones arriving here. Who are the kind of person who
haven't lived in New Zealand since they were like man No.
Two years old or something like that. Not our problem really,
but come in anyway, of course, the Aussie's had a
change of heart. This was always going to happen. There

(01:24):
was no way it was going to be a political
winner for anyone over there to keep Kiwi born bad
guys in New Zealand where they could just simply send
them away. And as predicted, Elbow's getting a political smashing
for allowing the bad Kiwis to stay in Aussie because
Justin asked him to. Now, thing is, I don't like
what's happened today. I'm really sad about what these criminals
are doing to the country because there's no doubt these

(01:45):
bad guys are the most sophisticated bad guys we've seen
in a long time in them certainly more sophisticated than
the bad guys we're used to in New Zealand. But
there is no point in crying about it or begging
them not to do it. They're going to do it.
This is the reality. We do it too. I mean,
just the other day we deported a guy back to
South Africa for killing another chap with a single martial
arts style kick to the head. That guy who we

(02:07):
sent back to South Africa was ten when he moved here.
So we are doing exactly the same thing as the
Aussies are doing. As far as I can say, there's
nothing we can do to stop it. We've only got
one option available to us. If we really really want
to limit how much crime some of these guys fall
back into, we have got to spend money on our
side of the border setting them up when they arrive here.
I think they get something like a couple of nights

(02:28):
in a motel and a little bit of spending cash,
and then they're on their own. I mean, that's not
really going to buy them very much time, is it.
That's why very many of them fall back into crime.
If we really want to stop them from falling back
into crime, if we really want to sit them up
as set them up as good citizens, we have got
to get them proper accommodation and we've got to get
them jobs. And it's going to cost us a lot
of money, but I'll tell you what it'll cost us
less than them heading into jail. We can only control

(02:50):
what happens to this side of the border. On the
other side, the Aussie side, there's nothing we can do,
as proven by the reversal today.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Ninety two the text number and standard text fees supply.
It's ten past four now. An Auckland woman is urging
the government to regulate the retail supply of nitrous oxide,
which a lot of the young people know out there
as nangs. The twenty four year old was inhaling the
nangs for a back injury and has now lost feeling
in her legs. The gas can be brought from dairies
and vape shops for legitimate reasons like baking cakes, I suppose,

(03:21):
but the sale or purchase for the purpose of inhaling
is already banned. Auckland City Hospital Neurology Registrar doctor Shelpin
petals with us Hey Shelpin Hi, how much of this
stuff would you have to suck in to lose feeling
in your legs?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, we have seen a really wide range. We've seen
people inhaling hundreds of canisters per day coming out of symptoms,
and we've seen people using only a handful of ten
canisters or so with a pre existing VI twelve efficiency
and also coming in with symptoms.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Will the feeling and the leagues restore itself or.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Is that it?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
We have been looking into this and following up our
patients who we're affected. Most people do recover, but so
far it looks like they're taking a very long time
to recover. Most people six months down the line still
have numbness and aren't back to walking normally. So it's
quite a serious condition that can have long lasting consequences

(04:22):
for these otherwise young sittinwel people.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
How much of this are you seeing?

Speaker 4 (04:27):
We we are seeing, you know, we're seeing presentations to
our neurology department at Orkan City Hospital. Not infrequently we've
had we've had, we know, at least a monthly or so,
we'll have a serious case admitted to the wards. We're
unable to walk because they're so severely affected, and then

(04:50):
maybe others out there in the community with mild symptons
that are not presenting to hospital that we don't know about.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Now, Shelpin, I thought we had rules around this stuff.
I thought people shouldn't be an hailing it for a
bit of a cake.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm not super clued up on the exactly, just lashing,
but yes, I believe it is. It's I believe it's
illegal to well, it's not legal to sell it for
someone with the intent of been using it for inhalation
that believes.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
The apparently, did you realize? Apparently it works like this.
If you go to the dairy and you say, can
I have some of those well, I don't know what
you call them nangs, but I don't know anyway, pretty
probably not calling them maangs to the dairy guy, right,
because then he knows what you're up to. But if
you say you want some of the gas canists is
apparently he says what do you want them for? And
then you're supposed to say baking a cake and then
he goes, okay, even if it's like eleven o'clock at night.

(05:43):
That's ridiculous, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, And that's that's a concern for us. We're we're
really worried that young people have access to such huge
numbers or large volumes of hyposoxide and they're coming to
serious harms. That's our primary concerns.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, now, explain something to me. Why are people using it?
Like I thought? Look, I was young ones right, and
I'll admit that I did it when I was young
one time and all it was was about a thirty
second weird experience and then nothing more. What's the fun
in that?

Speaker 4 (06:14):
You've got me there? But it appears to that people
use these use nitrosox side chemistist regularly just for the
repeated feeling of feeling high. The chemical itself doesn't appear
to be chemically addicting, like like nicotine and cigarettes, but
people do chase this high again and again and again.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Is this basically is this laughing gas?

Speaker 6 (06:35):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (06:37):
It is?

Speaker 4 (06:38):
But laughing gas that's used in hospital is actually a
mixture mostly nitros oxide and some something out some of
the stuff. But it's similar.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Okay, Hey, Shelpin, thank you, I really appreciate your time.
That's doctor Schulpin could tell Neurology Redstroyer Auckland City Hospital.
It seems to me the problem there is that the
rules the problem. The problem is that the rules are
so easy to get around, right if you just say
you're baking it cake. It's blood eleven o'clock at night
and you're like completely wasted, and you tell the dairy
guy you're baking a cake, and that's all he needs
to be able to sell it to you. When I

(07:05):
did it, I would have been probably like early twenties,
and it was back then. It was kind of a
new thing, I think, and I did it as far
as I can recall just the ones and never wanted
to do it again because what happened was after you
do it in the balloon thing after that just a
reminder I was in my early twenties, right, so don't
judge me for it now, like basically a totally different person.
But it was like my head, it was like everything

(07:28):
slowed down and it was like vision. My whole experience
of reality was like a skipping CD. It was like
as I sort of slumped backwards from it, and then
after I got up, I was like, that was na.
That was not a good time. That was really bizarre,
and you lose complete control of yourself. So I don't
know how somebody can do enough of it to make
their legs go number. But ever, what each to our own?

(07:48):
I suppose I got some good money news for you.
Fuel prices are starting to fall, and frankly we need
some good money news, don't we. Fuel prices have been
rising for four months this year, but finally they're coming
down the This is according to data released by Gasbie.
Unleaded ninety one fell twenty cents in just the last
twenty eight days, now two dollars seventy eliter. It's still higher,

(08:09):
by the way than it was at the start of
the year, because it's already gone up by twenty six cents,
so just a little bit of a margin there. The
price of diesel fell fourteen cents in the twenty eight days.
Ninety five fell nineteen cents, ninety eight fell sixteen cents,
and this is because a drop in global crude oil
prices as well as the higher New Zealand dollar. How
good quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand one give leap for
business use talk, si'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Heather Dave Ltteally Hare spot On read the five oz ones,
invested the start to help them and then save our
communities down the line bang on Dave eighteen past five.
Jason Pine, winner of the Best Board Presenter at the
twenty twenty four Radio Awards, as the last a good.

Speaker 7 (08:52):
Poney wow, well an intro. I think my entry was
actually based mainly on these chats we have every Friday.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Honestly, Piney, you're so full of nonsense. I can't believe you.

Speaker 8 (09:00):
But you deserve it.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
You do deserve it because your show is awesome. So
well done you, Hey, thank you. Super Rugby quarter Finals.
Any chance of an upset?

Speaker 7 (09:08):
Yeah, let's see if I can give one of my
amazingly inaccurate predictions here. I don't think there is in
the Hurricanes or Blues games. I just can't see the
Rebels or the Fiji and Drew a beating either of
those two top teams tomorrow tonight. There's the possibility, excuse me,
of the Chiefs coming undone against the Reds. Ordinarily you'd
say Chiefs all day, all night, but the Reds have

(09:30):
beaten the Chiefs in New Zealand in the last couple
of seasons. That was in New Plumber last season and
they beat them over in Brisbane this season, so they're
a bit of a bogie team for the Chiefs. Having
said that, the Chiefs will probably put thirty on them,
and then tomorrow night it's Highlanders Rumbies. We'd love to
think the Highlanders could win and we might have four
New Zealand teams in the Semis, but yeah, the Brumbi's
hard to beat in Canberra. So that's a long winded

(09:51):
way of saying it'll probably be the four home teams
who win and go through to the Semis.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
If the Reds were too, for example, upset the Chiefs,
does that the Chiefs out?

Speaker 7 (10:01):
Yes, these are all knockout games now, so you're losing,
you're out now.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
So yep.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
The Chiefs are playing as they all are. They're playing
for their seasons now, so yep, that would be it
for whoever loses tonight and three teams that lose to mind, now.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Piney, that I mean because of us. A ridiculous thing
like that where the Chiefs have played amazingly all season
and the Reds not quite as much, and then they
have the potential for them to get knocked out because
of something like that, Are you in like, are you
up for rearranging the playoffs?

Speaker 7 (10:30):
Not for that reason. I think having eight in the
playoffs in a twelve teen competition is too many, And
especially if they go down to eleven next season with
the Melbourne Rebel dropping out of they go to eight
from eleven, that's clearly preposterous. So look, I quite like
the idea of the top two getting a buy through
and so then you might have three plays six, four
plays five for the right to play one and two

(10:53):
and then into the grand final. It's a three week
final system, which it is at the moment, so it
satisfies that for the broadcaster, But it just seems like
eights too many and squeaking a lot. The Rebels have
off the back of a terrible, pretty terrible season in
many ways is here it doesn't seem like that they
should be rewarded for that.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Piney, did you see that the USA knocked knocks Pakistan
in the T twenty?

Speaker 7 (11:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (11:19):
I think that.

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Look, the thing with T twenty cricket is that you know,
this wouldn't happen in a test match, It wouldn't happen
in a fifty over game. But the short of the game,
the more likely an upset is in the United States.
So they got there on a super over. Pakistan were terrible,
by the way in the Super over. Three wides in
that super over, which you know, really cost them quite dearly.
What it does is it puts Pakistan's continued participation in

(11:41):
this World Cup in a bit of doubt because you know,
the way the tournament structured, you kind of got to
win the games against the minnows, and they haven't done
that against the United States. So, yep, good to see
an upset. We all have an upset in a World Cup.
Let's say there's not one tomorrow when New Zealand play Afghanistan.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Oh right, hey Piney, thanks very much, Jason Pine sports
talk hosts. Also we can sport host And as you know,
the guy who won, he won the goal last night,
didn't he hither. I'm a past user of nitrous oxside.
I used to use it and I used to love it,
but then I realized that the coldness is damaging your
lungs and your internals, probably long term. Good point four
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's heather duper clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and us talks.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
That'd be either.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I drove past my local BP service station this morning.
Ninety eight octane was two dollars ninety eight. I just
drove past the same station. It's now three dollars and
eight cents. What the hell? What the hell? Exactly weird?
Maybe you need maybe you need a new gas station.
Go for one of those ones that are unmanned. They've
even got the unmanned ones in Central Aucklands that everywhere,
and those guys they're the bosses because that's where you
get your savings plus all, so you can just you know,

(12:45):
I mean, what's the difference, right, It's faster. It's actually
faster and more efficient. I don't know why I need
to deal with the human being at the gas station anymore.
Now we are apparently going to make our payment of
one million dollars to UNRA. Now, UNRA, if you can't
to your mind back. This is the agency that works
in Gaza, the UN agency that works in Gaza. It
basically does the majority of the relief work over there,

(13:05):
and it was accused by the Israelis of having a
huge number of its staff members also working with Hamas
like it was a huge number of the men that
allegation that the allegation said was tied up with Ramas.
That allegation was made public as a result of a
bunch of countries, I think in the New York Times
as a result of a bunch of countries suspended their funding.

(13:25):
We didn't suspend our funding because our installment was not
until about now. It was age is away. We just
said we'd look into it. Now we're going to basically
do it. It's by the sounds of things in the
next few days, and from what I can see, I'm
happy to be proven wrong. But it seems fair enough
because the last time I checked into this, Israel actually
hadn't backed up its claims at all. The UN was

(13:47):
prepared to investigate what was going on. Israel had not
supplied the evidence to back up what it said was
going on, in which case you have to assume innocence,
don't you. I mean, it may have just been a
handful of guys who are already been sorted out by
the UN. Anyway, we'll talk to Helen Clark about it,
who will be with us. Ten past five. The Maori
Party Marti Party has had this unusual radio silence on

(14:11):
the allegations for the last few days, but then all
of a sudden, it's just all guns blazing. John Talmaheera
has written the most bizarre opinion piece. I will run
you through some of that later, But they're also he's
of course the president of the Mary Party. Also the
co leaders of the Mary Party have now written to
the Prime Minister, the Police Commissioner and the Minister of

(14:32):
the Police asking the police to lead an urgent investigation
into the allegations made against them. Now quite how this works,
I don't know, because there are so many allegations. As
far as I know, the Electoral Commission has only referred
one allegation. It was the most minor of all of them,
which is that they'd potentially sent out a text and
they hadn't said that it was from the Mary Party,

(14:53):
it didn't have a disclaim a statement. That's the least
of the allegations. That's the one that has been laid
with the police. Quite how it it works, Whether the
police can just sort of off their own bat decide
to do an investigation without a complaint being laid against them,
I don't know. But Barry Sober will be with us
at quarter to five, and hopefully he'll be able to
explain it to us when he's with us. Heather with

(15:13):
the five oh ones. The other problems is that the
Aussies release them from prison as soon as they can,
but when they land here they're not deemed to still
be serving the sentence, and they should be taken straight
into custody and only paroled if they serve their sentence
or are deemed by the New Zealand Parole Board is
safe to release. Sarah makes an excellent point.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Headline's next the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Heather Duplicy, Alan drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Let's get connected and news talk Z be.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
The thing that I've gone.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well you'll have heard.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
By now things have escalated considerably for the National MP
David McLeod over his failure to declare donations the cops.
The coppers have now God, it's been referred to them
by the Electoral Commission. It had to be referred to
them because it is just a massive amount of money.
It's far too big to just be like that's okay.
The cops don't need to see that about one hundred
and eighty thousand dollars. Barrissop will be with us in
ten minutes on that. Now, apparently I am not into this.

(16:13):
I'm really not into this because I think this is
just like I think I'll explain itself. So apparently memes
are now part of the NCEEA Literacy Exam on reading. Right,
this is for the Year ten students. A meme is
a thing like it's like one of these little like
a visual image on social media that goes viral and

(16:35):
people just keep using it to kind of reinforce a
point they're trying to make. Like, for example, one of
the memes that has gone viral is Homer Simpson fading
into a hedge in an awkward situation. It's kind of
like you do it when you're trying to illustrate that
somebody's embarrassed, like they're there and then they just fade
into the hedge out of embarrassment. That's a meme, right,
And what kids are being asked now in the year

(16:56):
ten exam is to they've got four memes, and they've
got to discs which two had the most similar underlying meaning. Now,
the kind of deciphering meaning in things. I don't really mind,
but I for God's sake, it's a literacy exam and
you're making them look at pictures. Is there not a
problem with this? Can we stop showing kids' pictures when
we're supposed to be showing them words. There's a difference anyway.

(17:20):
Julia Debress, a sociolinguist, loves it, absolutely loves it. So
she's going to be with us in just about quarter
past five and tell us how much she loves it.
And I will restrain myself. I will I. Well, we're
here to hear what she's got to say, not for
me to be a dick about it. There are times
for me to be a dick about things, which is
quite frequently, so I just turn it off for a
minute there. Hither, you are wrong about Israel supplying the

(17:41):
UN information regarding unra It isn't in the interest of
the UN to investigate one of their own organizations. As
a fair point, the UN as a whole is corrupt
and unreliable, and people need to stop taking what they
say is gospel. Helen Clark on that ten past five,
and after five o'clock we're going to be talking to
Murray Olds about what's just gone on in Australia, And
to explain more twenty two from five, it's the world wires.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
On news talks, we have the world wires.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Australia's and battled Immigration minister has introduced a new direction
to make it easier to deport people. Direction one one
zero will force the Appeals Tribunal that looks at whether
someone deserves deportation or not to put the safety of
the Australian public first when it's making its decision. Now,
this is largely seen as a back down from Direction
ninety nine, which forced the tribunal to consider a deporte's

(18:26):
ties to Australia or lack thereof, or actually more of that.
But the Minister doesn't seem to see it that way
at all.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Why can't you just.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
Admit that the old direction was a mistake or you
were poorly breathed.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
Why can't you just.

Speaker 9 (18:38):
Say that, Well, I'm saying that I'm taking responsibility for
putting in place a direction that ken sends a very
clear signal to decision makers.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Murray Old's on that after five more than thirty five
people I thought to have died in an Israeli strike
on a school in Gaza, Israel says the school was
being used by Humas militants, but the UN wants to
see us rather wants to see more proof of this
than the young man that we're about to hear from
survive the attack.

Speaker 10 (19:02):
I was sitting here with my brothers and friends once
suddenly there was an explosion. The mattress protected me because
I was sitting against the wall. But all the bodies
here are dismembered and torn.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
And finally, honestly, I don't know if this is true
or not, but it is a yarn and a half
staff at a London pub where Nigel Farage is a
regular patron, are apparently taking part in a silent and
very smelly protest. According to a UK news site, the
landlord doesn't want to ban Forarage from the pub, so
the staff have instead prepared a special glass to use

(19:35):
whenever he comes in, and before his beer is poured,
each staff member farts into the glass.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
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Speaker 3 (19:47):
Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US Now, Hey Dan, hi, Heather.
I know, I don't know if it's true or not,
but it is a perfectly UK thing to do. Hey, hunter,
Biden's trial is pretty salacious, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, the prosecution. I guess this was the most
important witness against him is his sister in law, he
and girlfriend, which was Halle Biden, who testified today, and
she said that she believed that he was using all
kinds of drugs when she saw him back in October
of I think it was twenty eighteen, and how she
went out to his truck while he was asleep and

(20:21):
found the gun and drug paraphernalia and then you know,
the video has been shown all over the news today,
how she took it to a grocery store at a
little trash can there and threw it away in the
trash can and said, I just I was panicking.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I didn't know what to do about this.

Speaker 11 (20:33):
And also the other thing that was very interesting Joe
Biden releasing a statement. Now he's over in France for
D Day ceremonies, but he did say in a statement
that if his son is found guilty, he's not going
to pardon him.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Oh wow, would he be expected to? I mean that
wouldn't be politically cool, would it.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
No, it wouldn't but I think it's something that you know,
if you were a Donald Trump in office and it
was one of your children, I think a lot of
people over here would expect him to go ahead and
just do that and probably wouldn't think twice about it.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
She also spoke about starting to smoke the crack cocaine herself,
didn't she.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah she did.

Speaker 11 (21:09):
He was very wild and very very paranoid, and you know,
he was the one that kind of walked her down
that path and got her into using drugs as well.
And she said, you know, it was the most embarrassing
and hardest time of her life too.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Is she off it now?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
She is?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I believe Is he off it now?

Speaker 11 (21:28):
That's questionable depending on who you ask. I think he
would say yes. I think his dad would say yes.
I think there are others that you know, you look
at some videos and it's questionable.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, Oh do you reckon? Does he look like he's
on it? Sometimes?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Sometimes like yeah, yes? Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
What are the telltale signs?

Speaker 12 (21:48):
Dan?

Speaker 11 (21:49):
I think it's just how you see somebody acting like
when you see it yet very agitated, very wild, eyes
are very glassy. Yeah, there's just signs of it, and
you kind of assume that somebody's on something that they
normally wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, how embarrassing for Joe Bideny. Now Steve Bannon.

Speaker 11 (22:07):
Off to jail on July the first, Yeah, which I
mean it's a four month prison sentence, and this is
for defying subpoenas from the January sixth Committee, and his
lawyers were arguing the sentence should be stayed until they
could appeal this to the Supreme Court. And as you
might imagine, any kind of delay would probably benefit, you know,
Steve Bannon. If Trump was elected president and decides, just

(22:30):
like he did on last day of his presidency in
twenty twenty one, to pardon Bannon on federal criminal charges,
but he's going to be serving time before any of
that can happen.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Dan, explain to me how the stuff works with the
ads on the hashtags on Twitter. So is it that
there are designated hashtags that Twitter will sell an ad
around every time that hashtags used, that ad will be
able to be around it.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah. Yeah. And what they're finding is that.

Speaker 11 (22:53):
X Twitter, whatever you want to call it, has been
placing these ads in their search results with hashtags to
remote racist and anti semitic extremism. So you're finding things
like hashtag white power. And NBC did this investigation and
they found the advertisement by searching different hashtags, and there
were religious hatred and there was anti semitism, and they

(23:16):
don't know what extent. The people at X were aware
that the company was monetizing this. But X is saying, now, well, okay,
we're not disputing the findings. We've taken action on this
on a number of items. We're going to continue to
expand our approach as we need to. But I mean,
this is one of the things that Elon Musk has
come under fire force ands he's taken over, that there's
just not enough people keeping an eye on this and

(23:38):
who's giving the go ahead to monetize these things.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Were a very good point, actually, Dan, listen, thank you
very much, really appreciated. Go and enjoy your weekend. That's
Dan Mitchison, our US correspondent, just to remind it to
you because you've got a bit of time. But jeez, man,
I don't know about you. I need heaps of warning
for things nowadays. Time just so bloody busy. There is
a big lotto draw tomorrow night, and if you want
to be in to win, you need to go and

(24:01):
get yourself a ticket. It's fifty million bucks. This is
the biggest one we've ever had, and it's got to
go tomorrow. It's got to go. So anyway, I was
at the supermarket today, Douce. I was doing something righteous.
I was buying some Kiwi fruit for the vitamin sea content.
And then I was like, oh, I done too much
good because I bought Kiwi fruit and bananas and also avocados.

(24:21):
I was like, there's too much goodness going on here
right now. I've got a balance's with some evil. I'm
gonna gamble. So I went and bought myself a lotto ticket.
And I really don't understand how lotto works. So I
just pointed the one that's in the middle, which is
generally the twenty dollars one that's always in the middle
of the thing. I got that one. I'll at that one,
and so they gave it to me. And then while
I was there, I was like, oh, my mom bought me.
Because my mum's by bad influence. She's been teaching me
to gamble from wayback. She bought me some lotto tickets

(24:43):
months ago. So I said to them, I was like, oh,
can I just check this? Bingo? I want sixty nine dollars?
How about that? I'm up. Also, it did amuse me
that it was sixty nine dollars, you know what I mean,
like all of the numbers in the world to pack
doubled down on the evil there, didn't it? Quarter two.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
With centrics credit check your customers and get payments?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Certainty Very Soper, senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hi, Barry,
good afternoon. Yeah, this has got a lot worse for
David MacLeod, like not unexpectedly.

Speaker 13 (25:11):
No, it was the electoral Commission that filed with the
police to have a look at the undeclared donations, and
he was by far the wealthiest person standing in an
electorate when he got one hundred and seventy eight thousand
dollars in twenty twenty two. He claims he when he

(25:31):
filled out his form that he thought that you only
had to declare the donations from last year, from election year,
which to me, I just can't understand how anybody would
think that, I mean, the donations were for the election campaign,
and you know it's as plain as the nose on
your face. Really, He of course has been stripped from

(25:52):
both the Environmental and Finance Expenditure select Committees and that
Greenpeace take on this is interesting, Russell Norman. He put
out a statement a short while ago he said that
one of McLeod's undeclared donations came from a major shareholder
in the Sabard Mining Company TTR that may benefit significantly

(26:12):
from the fast Track Bill. Now he McLeod is in
charge of the fast Track Bill. So you know there's
a lot of questions again to be answered by David McLeod.
You can't just say, look, I forgot the police will have.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
To answer the questions with the police boning.

Speaker 13 (26:31):
Well, he will have to, yes, most certainly, I would
think be interviewed by the police.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Okay, so do you know whether the Maori Party have
now asked written to the Police Commissioner and the Police
Minister and the Prime Minister asking the police to investigate.
Can the police investigate off the back of that letter?

Speaker 13 (26:46):
No, the Prime Minister can't direct the police north from
the Police Minister. Right, So the Maori Party for start,
they've got that wrong. You don't tell a politician to
interfere with what the police would be doing. But the
police have had a complaint and they can extend the

(27:07):
investigation beyond that complaint and look at exactly what's been
going on here. And I suspect given the public interest
in this, that's exactly what they would do.

Speaker 8 (27:16):
Now.

Speaker 13 (27:18):
Essentially, I see Brian Tummockee has been dragged into this
and that, as you said, it was rather a weird
statement put out by John Tammaheady, who's the president of
the Maldi Party, and he said that essentially the message
to Brian Tummocky and Destiny is that you and your
cult were bounced out of the Mona ray Marai and

(27:43):
he said, we'll never allow your cult to take over
any mud. Now here's a helpful idea. Leave politics and
concentrate on bothering God and the devil and equal parts
and leave Maldy alone.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
And that's what he said.

Speaker 13 (27:58):
And leave Maldy alone.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
He ends with he goes, oh to your cult members
who were to pps, right, because that was the p PPS.
To your cult members who were terminated at manyere women,
I shame on you. To their fearless money grinder, Alan Holts,
it's best to keep your power to drive for the
employment Tribunal Comma fool.

Speaker 13 (28:18):
Yeah, I know. I mean it's so obnoxious and the
whole the whole state from John Tommy Tommy Harry is rambling.
What they're saying though, is look put up the evidence.
If you haven't got the evidence, you know, keep your
trap shut.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
Well.

Speaker 13 (28:34):
Now, now there's several agencies looking into this. They'll be
looking at evidence and I would imagine if any of
the census forms were copied, you won't see a sight
of them. They'll be well and truly shredded by now.
So I think he feels John Tammaherdy he's on fairly
comfortable ground by saying is show us the evidence?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Very What did you make of Chris Luxon saying he
hadn't had any heads from the Australians that this was
going to happen today read the deportations.

Speaker 13 (29:03):
Yeah, terrible really, because both Chris Luxen and Winston Peters
had been talking to the Australians about this and the
indication from Alban Easy was that look, they'll be looking
at this again with fresh eyes, and then suddenly they
come out making it easier to deport Kiwi's from Australia.

(29:24):
And it got me thinking about one case that I
read about and it was an Australian grandfather who was
deported last December to New Zealand after decades of criminal offending.
But he said he had struggled in this country because
he was a baby in the nineteen sixties in New Zealand.
His parents were an Australian couple who happened to be

(29:45):
staying with somebody. They gave birth to this man who's
fifty seven and he was deported to New Zealand. He
was a bit of a He certainly got up to
a lot of trouble, there's no doubt about that. But again,
and I come back to it, where did he learn
all his bad habits?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Called responsibility political suicide for Alberta hold onto them?

Speaker 13 (30:08):
Yeah, well it's dreadful. We call them our friends and
our cousins.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
You wouldn't, you wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
They're not going to change their mind if we win them,
it's not going to change anything.

Speaker 13 (30:18):
Well, we've winged at them, and I've got to say
I do and made some headway that they would look
at if they had lived there like this grandfather had,
they would take that into consideration. Now that's not taken
into consideration at all.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Because political blowback. All right, we'll have a chance, you
can thank you. We'll wrap the political week that was
again it called a pass six berry, so for senior
political correspondent.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:42):
We've gotten the Tiger University study that's found there has
been an increase in the likelihood of patients being denied
specialist appointments. A Tiger University professor, Robin Gold was the
co author of this particular work, and is I think.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's quite a bit we can do.

Speaker 15 (30:54):
The new budget announced about five billion dollars.

Speaker 16 (30:56):
Going into hospital people of service.

Speaker 15 (30:58):
I think there's a good coptunity now of the new
government to allocate some of that money to read thee
to unmet need, and then they could be starting to
look at things like how do we get our hospital
specialist and our GPS together to form unmet knee's care teams.
So then come up with more innovations planks that one
that's announced to try and unblock the system and give
greater access to people.

Speaker 14 (31:17):
Back Monday from six am, The Mike asking Breakfast with
Jaguit News.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Talk z B hither my wife's gone overboard. She's spent
one hundred and eighty dollars on lotto tickets for this weekend.
I'm shocked. But if one wins off, forgive her honestly,
then you'd at least expect and and win more than
one hundred and eighty bucks.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
You don't want to just be winning like sixty nine,
because that's not that's absolutely not going to you. Still
set back on that, John Timmerhead his statement that Barry
was just referring to Yeah, he responded in exactly the
way that you would expect him to respond, which is
basically to say it's just racism. The headline for the
statement is from the party president, naughty Natives are at
it again. Then he writes the recent attacks onto Patimari

(31:56):
and it's the MP's are part of an continuing narrative
of attack on all that is Mary as usual, Maria
being used to scapegoats to Patsy Maria normalously endlessly attacked
and the matter is being made into a race debate
through no fault of our own. It must amuse our
people to watch a National Party MP and Taranaki hired
one hundred and eighty thousand dollars worth of expenditure allegedly
not reported and nothing happens, well something did happen today.

(32:18):
Just want to point you to this though, Willie Jackson
labor MP actually no, well deal, do you know what
we'll deal with. I want to save this for a
little bit of a longer chat about Willy Jackson because
I don't think it would do it a justice to
just quickly play this to you without any explanation of
why it's important. So Willie Jackson lately. We're going to
deal with Willie Jackson later on, but first Murray Olds

(32:40):
on the deportation issue, and then after that Halen Clark
on whether we should be starting up the funding again
for UNRA. What's a bit, she says, yes. News Talk zplat.

Speaker 13 (32:51):
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Speaker 2 (32:55):
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Speaker 12 (33:03):
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Speaker 1 (33:11):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
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Give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Heather due to Clan drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Good afternoon. Australia is renegging on its agreement not to
deport Kiwis who've largely lived their lives in Australia. The
Aussie Immigration Minister Andrew Giles is replacing the so called
Direction ninety nine, which considered a deporty's ties to Australia
before okaying the deportation. It's now going to be replaced
with Direction one one zero, which puts more emphasis on
protecting the Australian community. He says non citizens with a

(33:48):
history of family or sexual violence should be deported even
if they have lived most of their lives in Australia,
and he was asked what New Zealand's response to this
has been.

Speaker 9 (33:56):
My concern is to act in the national interest. I
telephoned as I told the Parliament the Deputy Prime Minister
Winston Peters to tell him about our intention to put
in place a new revised direction to ensure that the
principles of common sense and the protection of the Australian
community or paramount when it came to these conditions.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Mario old Is our Aussie correspondent, hemas very good afternoon.
Do you have that this is basically going back to
the way it was, isn't it? Anyone with a sniff
of a connection to New Zealand has come in this way?

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Well, yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 17 (34:29):
And you know, I mean that came in under Scott Morrison,
maybe even you know, Tony Abbott or whatever. The revolving
door of Liberal prime ministers was in the nine years
before Albanezy got in. But Labor fair and square, I mean,
honest to god, this is politics one oh one and
Labour's only got.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Itself to blame, Heather. It introduced Direction ninety nine.

Speaker 17 (34:47):
As you say, on the back of that promise between
alban Easy and Jacinda Adern.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
Yes, New Zealand.

Speaker 17 (34:54):
Would not be copying all these Aussie grown criminals. The
fact that New Zealand citizens came here as a BA
or you know, two or three years old, they've grown
up in Australia and become criminals here.

Speaker 8 (35:05):
Why isn't New Zealand's problem.

Speaker 17 (35:07):
Adirn had a very good point and Albanezi agreed with that,
and so that's where Direction ninety nine came in. I mean,
it's just all welly in its dreadful sort of language. Okay,
So under Direction ninety nine, the primary consideration for the
Administrative Appeals Tribunal, that's the body of public servants set

(35:28):
up to look at this issue. Are you going to
be deported or are you not, and let's be you know, honestly,
it's not about parking tickets we're talking about here here,
we're talking about serious criminals, rapists, child sex abuses, murderers.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
For God's sake, these are the.

Speaker 17 (35:43):
People that Australia doesn't want here where we're going to
take them.

Speaker 8 (35:46):
We're going to send them back to New Zealand under
this new one.

Speaker 17 (35:49):
And the government has just been getting kicked from pillar
to post for the last fortnight, three weeks over this
ridiculous direction ninety nine. How they get themselves out of
this hole with with Wellington, I'm not sure, but politically
they just could not continue like this because poor old
Andrew Giles is sitting up there like some Punch and

(36:10):
Judy show, and Peter Dutton's got the great big bat.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Is Jarle's going to keep his job?

Speaker 8 (36:15):
Or is he?

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Dog Tucker?

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Mate? Look, here's the thing.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
Apparently I didn't realize this until this whole thing blew up,
but apparently Andrew Giles, and Andrew and Anthony Albanizi are besties.
They go back, way way way back, and they are
from the same political faction. I understand. That's what I
read this week anyway. I mean, to be honest, I've
never heard of Andrew Giles. He's just one of these
anonymous front benchers who every government is stacked with. They

(36:39):
don't do very much, or whether they don't sort of
make too many headlines. And so he's there sort of
stumbling and bumbling through this portfolio. He just looked like
an absolutely hopeless dolt out of his death and so
whether or not Albanize, he's got him in the back
room with a rubber hose and said, mate, you've got
to sort this out. So now we have Direction ninety
nine replaced with Direction one, dred and ten.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Just tell me what it mean. You tell me, just
really quickly. Is it retrospective? Is this going to apply
to the people who've already been spared deportation under Direction
ninety nine.

Speaker 17 (37:08):
No, it's not, because Giles has used one hundred and
ten to recancel the viasas of thirty five non citizens
whose cancelations were overturned. Right, Yeah, so those thirty five
who actually appealed successfully appealed heither to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.
Oh listen, I've got a very strong tie to the
Australian community. I might have an Australian wife, might have

(37:28):
Australian children, might of Australian family connections that go back
thirty forty fifty years. I only came over from New
Zealand when I was six months old. The government now
is bowing to the political inevitability of all of this.
It says, okay, sorry, you're not a citizen back you
go to New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (37:44):
How that's going to go down?

Speaker 17 (37:45):
And well think and I don't know, but by the
way over here and now you've got forty legal civil
society human rights groups are.

Speaker 8 (37:51):
Saying, oh Didhams did THEMS?

Speaker 17 (37:53):
It's far too harsh politically, the government's had no choice made.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, no, I totally agru with you, Mars, thank you
as always, Marry Old's Australia cross on it.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Hever du for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
The government will spend a million send a million dollars
rather to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency and
GAZA in the coming days. Our annual donation was put
on hold. You may recall after several several UN employees
were accused by Israel of participating in Hamas's attacks in October.
The UN has investigated found no evidence to back those
claims up. Former Prime Minister and former head of the
UN Development Agency Helen Clark is with us now, Alan Hi,

(38:23):
there have before we get into this on Direction ninety
nine are now replaced by Direction one one zero. Is
there anything we can do to stop these deputies coming?

Speaker 18 (38:34):
Well, I think it's really outrageous, isn't it. I think
there was an agreement that those who had really spent
the substantial part of their lives in Australia and to
all intensive purposes for Australia and shouldn't be deported here.
And it looks like political panics overturned that. I did
hear Chris Laxon earlier in the day saying that they
had registered our concern as a country with this training government.

(38:58):
This is all politics. You know, they're running up to
a close election as a person the next year or so,
and it's easy to beat upon people with his Zealand
citizenship born here who've committed her crime but to all
intensive purposes Australia has raised these people.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, so I think it's right, but I mean it's
being suggested that maybe what we should do is revoke
their citizenship. They will be left therefore with none, is
that even possible.

Speaker 18 (39:27):
Well, here's where I think international law comes in that,
or even our own law. To take away citizenship when
people don't have an alternative citizenship is quite a big issue.
Remember you and I have discussed this with respect to
that young woman who was groomed and recruited by Isis

(39:47):
and the British government revoked her citizenship and said she's
entitled the Bangladesh citizenship. Now the banks I think said
she wasn't. But she's in effect being left to stateless person.
So we revoke the citizenship of these people they want
to deport. The Aussies aren't going to give them citizenship,
so we make them stateless people. And I think there's

(40:08):
probably some international convention that we're Party two that wouldn't
commit that.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Probably it sounds like there would be. Hey on Unra,
does it sound to you like Israel just never ponied
up the evidence to back up their claims.

Speaker 18 (40:19):
That's right, mered the whole organization, but then when asked,
persistently asked to give evidence and never fronted up with it.
So there was this inquiry conducted by a former French
Foreign Minister for the Secretary general. She drew on expert
research institutes and other institutes in the Scandinavian countries. They

(40:42):
actually said that had better procedures to ensure political neutrality
than any other UN organization or the NGOs that they
could find. So they had to conclude Israel castes completely
unproven and they never provided any evidence.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, and so as a result, well, can we have
confidence that they are completely independent from hummus?

Speaker 18 (41:05):
Well, what I've said before employee to you, and we've
discussed it is Look, every big barrel of apples will
have a bad one somewhere, but to smear a whole
organization through the actions of a very few people is
quite wrong. And the inquiry found that they do go
to growth lengths to ensure the staff athletics they're neutral.

(41:27):
They also every year in Israel lists of their employees
for betting. And get this, Heather, Israel has not expressed
concern about any of the employees since twenty eleven and
those lists have gone to it.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Interesting. Hey, Helen, thank you as always, really appreciate your time.
That's talent. Clark, former Prime minist and former UN Development
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Speaker 2 (42:36):
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Speaker 3 (42:40):
Past five could you still pass an NCEEA literacy exam
on reading if you had to break down the underlying
meaning of memes? Do you even know what a meme is?
I know, right, this is exactly what we're asking of
the year ten students as part of their exam. The
question our students to read four memes and discuss which
two had the most similar underlying meanings. Doctor Julie Debris

(43:00):
is a socio linguist and with us.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
Now, hey, Julia, good evening.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Are you into this?

Speaker 6 (43:07):
Am I into it?

Speaker 11 (43:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (43:08):
I love it. I think I was extremely surprised and
I would say delighted by its development in the exam,
especially in the week when we have the government telling
young people that they're going to have to be, you know,
learning Shakespeare and Chaucer and Dante, and at the same
time in an exam they're being asked to analyze me
the contrasts I think quite poetic.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
But it's a reading exam. We're asking them to look
at a picture that doesn't feel right. Shouldn't we any
be asking them to read something in a reading exam?

Speaker 6 (43:36):
I mean, I think there probably were a several questions.
I haven't seen the exam. I've just heard about it
from some of the young people who did it. But
I think that you can think of memes as being
a kind of you know, there's a history that goes
back from means towards things like analyzing advertisements that I
remember doing in the nineties at high school, the static
images they called them at that time, analyzing political cartoons.

(43:56):
There's kind of a whole range of genres of text
plus image that have been around for a while, and
I think a really important part of our of our
everyday life.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
No memes have not all memes have text, do they?

Speaker 6 (44:09):
I think? Well, indeed is the question about what even
is a meme. I think a lot of us think
of memes as involving an image with text overlaid. That's
kind of the prototypical example. But memes can also be
on TikTok, they can be a video, they can Yeah,
usually there is a combination of language plus visuals. But
apparently the key feature of you know, to really define

(44:30):
a meme is just that it's it's digital, and it's
designed to be shared and kind of adapted and move
around in that kind of viral way.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
We're not just doing this to help out the kids,
who are really struggling with reading by just giving them
some pictures, are.

Speaker 6 (44:42):
We Well, no, yeah, that's interesting because I do think
that there have been different reactions to this exam and
I would say that I've seen about three different reactions.
These ones like my kids was like, oh, yeah, totally normal.
That's part of our life. So she didn't find it
odd at all. One of her friends is, you know,
it's a fourteen year old who's saying, what is this
dumbed down stuff that we're being taught at school? You know,

(45:04):
Sofia is a seen so which some kids do feel
this isn't prop up stuff we should be learning at school.
For me, I have a third perspect where yes, I
am surprised, but I also think, wow, this is really
interesting and I think youthful. I think that means learning
to understand and use means is actually a really important
part of our digital literacy these days, Julia, and something
that you need to learn that's actually quite hard to

(45:24):
read a meme. I think of it.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Well, I still don't know what half of them mean.
It's really good to talk to you, doctor, Julia Debress.
Socio linguists. I told you at the start of the
program The real life Baby matha baby reindeer. Martha the
Stalker is suing Netflix for one hundred and seventy million dollars.
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five five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
He a duples ce Alan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It's coming up twenty five past five. Listen in one
of the smarter moves to reform Super Rugby, which I
think you and I would agree is desperately needed. The
rugby bosses are apparently considering making some really big changes
to the playoffs next year. Now at the moment, how
the competition works, as there are twelve teams in the
Super Rugby comp eight of them advanced to the finals.
That's ridiculous. There's two thirds of them, that's stupid. We

(46:16):
had the situation this year with the Crusaders only won
four games, but we're still in contention for a possible
top eight position. I mean, that hardly makes the top
eight playoffs something worth watching, doesn't It also throws up
the potentially really dumb situation where if the Crusaders were
to have made it into the top eight, they would
have then played there would have been eighth position, which
would have meant they would have played the top ranked team,

(46:37):
right and if they had a great game, which the
Crusaders can do from time to time, they could have
knocked the top ranked team out. That is ridiculous to
have a team doing as badly as the Crusaders suddenly
knock out a team that has consistently been the best
all the way through the season. It's not the first
time something as dumb as this has happened. I mean,
two years ago the Highland has made it in after
winning only four games. As well, last year the Reds

(46:58):
made it in with only five wins. This year the
Melbourne Rebels got the eighth position, also with five wins,
and that was after they went they went in with
six straight losses. The problem with this, as I was
just saying, is it hardly makes the top eight something special,
but it also actually makes the whole competition not special,
because if you can lose all of your games bar

(47:19):
four and still make it into the playoffs, then why
would I watch you do that? Why would I watch
the whole season? If I really had to watch any
of it, and I don't, I would probably just tune
in for the last bit right. To replace the top eight,
this is what they're thinking of. To replace the top eight.
The bosses are considering either a top six or a
conference system where the Kiwi teams all play each other

(47:39):
and then the top I don't know. Let's say two
advance to the finals, and the Aussies all play each other,
and their top teams also then advance to the finals,
and they play a series of little finals games there.
I have no preference. I have no preference as to
whether they just go for a smaller playoffs or if
they go for a conference system. Either of them sounds
better than the status quo, which frankly at the moment
is too much rugby that means absolutely nothing. Good on them,

(48:00):
and I'll give them a round of applause with this.
Good on them for realizing that something's got to change.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
There, Heather, due to cl Heather, our kids.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
Need to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and not this other
BS stuff. Heather. Isn't it contradictory to ask about memes
when they're not even allowed phones at school anymore. Here
the memes are not learning. Stop caving into lazy students.
This is BS. I'm leaving New Zealand, which is quite
it's quite extreme to leave over the memes, isn't it? Memes? Ffs,
We're a dumb country. I would agree with that entirely.

(48:27):
I don't. It's just not reading right. If you want
to do this kind of interpretation course or like I
don't know, some sort of graphic design or I really
don't know what course, you just set up another course.
Just be like, hey, you can do a looking at picture's.

Speaker 19 (48:38):
Course Media studies, Heather, surely this is what media studies are.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Thank you. I knew we had you on the show
for a reason. Media studies. Go do your media studies
course anyway, and say that, Go and look at this meme. Okay,
there's a meme. What's it called? Ant's New Zealand Italy.

Speaker 19 (48:53):
New Zealand and Italy reversed or backwards.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
New Zealand Italy reversed backwards meme where you flip New
Zealand around and then it fits over Italy. Who cares?
Headline's next?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
On your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home, hither duper c Allen
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Speaker 2 (49:29):
O.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
Hey, I've got some good news, full of good news
for today. Petrol prices are now the interest rates the
good news is on the interest rate front that A
and Z which has been an absolute negative Ninny about
the interest rates. Remember these were the ones who were like,
NAT's going up to six percent. Everybody else was like
is it though, They're like, yep, they have just decided no. No,
The next move is a cut. And they were saying

(49:50):
originally the cut was going to be in May. Now
they say the cut's going to be in February. Thank god.
I'm on board for that. If they want to revise
that even in November, I'd be absolutely fine with that. Anyway,
Sharon's it will be with us after six o'clock to
talk us through that. Also, the Sports Huddle is standing
by Heather. So is fourteen teams in the NRL and
a top eight okay, well, a top eight out of

(50:11):
fourteen is surely better than a top eight out of eleven,
which is what the super Rugby thing is going to
be next year, it's only going to be eleven squads
because the rebels got a bit the dust. What about
I would say top eight out of fourteen is probably
the equivalent of a top six out of eleven, wouldn't
you sayings like there or thereabouts? Heather? Please remember you'll
talk on the twentieth of the fifth. Geeze, somebody's keeping dates,

(50:34):
and remember to leave our game alone. Thank you, Trev.
On the twentieth of the fifth, it must have been
the day that I said I would no longer watch
any more Super Rugby. That's what I promised, Trev. I
promised no more watching Super Rugby. That I did not
promise no more opinions on Super Rugby. I've got a
whole lot of those still coming at you. Twenty three
away from.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Six, Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
There are seventeen teams in the NRL, says ants in
my ear. So, whoever text fourteen, you're wrong. Thank you
for that Answerdony strengthens my argument. The real life Martha
from Baby Reindeer is suing Netflix for one hundred and
seventy million dollars now she reckons the Netflix show defamed
her by claiming that she committed sexual assault, that she
was twice convicted of stalking, in that she spent time
in jail as well. Joseph Tully is a criminal defense

(51:16):
attorney and legal author based in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Hi, Joseph, Hello, do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
She's got a case?

Speaker 12 (51:21):
Ah? Boy, wow?

Speaker 7 (51:24):
I do?

Speaker 20 (51:24):
I mean it's the defense by Netflix will be the
truth that they told the truth, and so we're going
to have a real life drama play out before our
eyes if the case ever goes to court.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
But she they have to prove that they told the truth, right,
And it seems to me that the allegation that is
the difficult one at the stage is that she was
a twice convicted stalker and that she'd been to jail,
And as far as we know, there's no evidence publicly
that that is true.

Speaker 12 (51:52):
Right, correct?

Speaker 20 (51:54):
Although there is some evidence that she had been that
she did have some legal trouble before for but what
the extent of it was really hasn't been really hasn't
come to light thus far.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Do Netflix have a case that they did everything within
their power to keep her identity secret and it was
out of their control that the Internet managed to uncover her?

Speaker 20 (52:15):
I don't think so, as you said, the Internet managed
to uncover her, and it.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Did so quite quickly.

Speaker 20 (52:21):
So any defense that they might try to use of, well,
we hit her identity that you know, we hit that
as best as we could. We hit it to you know,
the legal professional standard I think will fall flat because
you know, the proof is in the pudding. The Internet
basically docksed her in no time flat.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Yeah, I mean this is tricky then, isn't it. For
anybody who wants to make some sort of documentary or
some sort of TV series like this and keep somebody anonymous,
They're going to have to go to quite extreme links
to hide the identity in the future, aren't they correct.

Speaker 20 (52:54):
I mean we're seeing the human intelligence come together in
the form of the Internet. I mean, Twitter can be
a force for good, you know, if we just set
our minds to it. And I think this is an
example of the power of the Internet and the power
of our collective intelligence being focused on a single point,

(53:15):
a single fact. And yeah, it really is. This is
going to be an extraordinary trial, Like I said, when
it gets to trial, or if it gets to a courtroom.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Joseph fifty million bucks in a California court Is that plausible.

Speaker 20 (53:32):
It very much is, Yes, very much so. If the
plaintiff were to prevail, she can prove all the elements
of everything. In other words, if she manages to prove
that that or defeat Netflame Netflix's defense of that. Hey,

(53:52):
this is the truth, she will certainly be owe damages.
And I don't think this be on the pail at
all of fifty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Interesting, hey, Joseph, Thanks very much. Joseph Tully, criminal defense
attorney and legal author based in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
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Speaker 3 (54:20):
Because you're wrong, I have the rate to finish my
swing if he calls mine. She's right, by the way,
Clark is right.

Speaker 21 (54:28):
It's easy to say fancentric, but the reality is what
do we do in a tangible sense to make this
competition more appealing, more rivalls, more thumbs on seats.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
That's a humbling moment from my family and farmers pormas.
So yeah, I'm still trying.

Speaker 7 (54:43):
To pinch myself.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
On the sportshuddle with us this evening, we have Andrew Gordy,
News Hub sports presenter and Matt Brown Oceania Football Confederation
media manager lads. Hello do you Gordy? Hello Gordy, what's
your preference? Would you like? This is for the playoffs
in Super Rugby? Would you like a conference style playoff
or would you just like a top six either?

Speaker 16 (55:03):
I think we can all agree that the biggest problem
with the Super Rugid playoffs this year is that the
Crusaders art and it so I think any system that
moves to somewhere that you know the Crusaders can finish
last but still being the playoffs will be bet than
un joking obviously, I'd prefer to have a top six,
give the top two a week off, have to have
three through sex playoff and then have a semi.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Five is still too many, Gordia. I mean, should we
maybe be thinking about four?

Speaker 16 (55:29):
We've kind but I don't think that the competition bosses
will agree with you there. They'd like to eke an
extra week out of the bit more money if you've
want hump on teat that.

Speaker 15 (55:37):
Sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Yeah, what do you reckon that?

Speaker 5 (55:40):
I agree with Andrew is six out of the eleven teams.
I mean it's you know, three at home to six,
four at home to five and then the semi finalcy
of three weeks of playoffs. That's about right. There'll obviously
be a by dream of competition for teams with the
round with the mag Rebels not being there uneven numbers,
so maybe we can reduce the amount of weeks that
the all blacks are given off from the competition to

(56:00):
so it might be not being a good thing. You know. Personally,
I think less is more and I'd probably want to
see a Super ten and have more quality rather than
some of the rubbish we got off at fints this year.
I think year the top few teams, sure this real quality,
but that it is what it is, and it's going
to be eleven next year and it's probably going to
be a little bit messy. But the other thing they

(56:20):
take into account to is actual length of the competition,
the amount of weeks they've got. You can't have a
full home and away for example, which is you know,
maybe a shame of a league format. Home and away
would be quite a good way to do it, I
think anyway, Gordy.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Hasn't Matt just struck on the actual problem with Super Rugby, right.
Super Rugby was sold to us as a super competition
like it was the best of the best. It was
going to be Rugby on steroids. Actually, a lot of
it is crap, a lot of.

Speaker 16 (56:45):
It is prep and it's because it's got an uneven competition.
And the only way to fact that is to allow
freedom of movements between all of the franchises, so you
level out the competition. Unfortunately, that's probably going to mean
allowing all blacks to play for Australian teams things like that,
But that's actually got If you improve the quality of
the competition right across the board, more people are going
to watch it. You're going to get more people coming

(57:06):
to games, and that's only going to improve the competition
and get more made from broadcasters, all of those sorts
of things that can only be a positive.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, you speak some sense there, Matt. How do you
feel about video reefing and tennis? Do we need more
of this? Do we actually need to introduce them?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
No? Quite, simply no. Now look, we've already we've already
got the line judgets being replaced by the Hawkaye technology
now so, and for the most part, I think it works.
In tennis, there is the odd call and you tend
to get it more on the clay with the marks
which there always used to have, you know, the ballmark
before they introduced it, and hence you know, we had

(57:40):
the Coco golf incident yesterday. But overall, no, I think
that would just slow the game down so much more.
And we've seen what it's done to other sports and footballer.
I mean in some countries want you know, want VA
want to scrap VAA. It's already happened, I think in
Scandinavia and Sweden, and I know the English clubs voted
to keep it, but I still think we should keep

(58:02):
it bat and needs to be refined and better and quicker.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah, Gordy, what did you are? You're a football fan,
aren't you.

Speaker 16 (58:08):
I am a huge football fan, and I've really gone
backwards and floords on this particular issue right throughout the
afternoon because at the end of the day, any sport,
no matter what sport we're talking about, sport is an
entertainment product, right, and there was something entertaining about Coco
God having an argument with the chair umpire, right. Yeah,
it gives us a point of conversation. Now if you
eliminate that from sport, yes, you're going to get the

(58:30):
extra calls, but are we going to be as entertained
as we previously were? Matt Ras is a very very
valid point about var in particular in football. It has
slowed the game right down, and we hate what it's
done to football, but hasn't actually turned anyone away from football.
I'm not sure that it has. They're all still there,
they're all still watching. So yeah, I'm a bit fifty

(58:51):
fifty to be honest about the introduction of technology into
any sport, and tennis would be a big one. It
would be a huge change. I think tennis. If you're
going to hold a gun to my head, I think
I'd still rather have the chaerity.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Well, Gordy, maybe this will solve it for you. From
what I can see, it doesn't. Introducing video into tennis
would not have solved Coco Goff's problem, right, because what
happened was the ball came towards her landed, was called out,
and because it was called out, she returned served like
really lazily, right, and then it was called in afterwards.
She should have because it was called out, she should

(59:23):
have been allowed to continue her serve the way it
was and it should have just stood.

Speaker 13 (59:27):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Video reffing will not have changed that situation.

Speaker 16 (59:30):
Now I'm not sure why. It depends on how you
apply the rules, and you know that's part of the
problem I think we've got with you know, rugby in particular,
but also in our Arouland football. There's a sort of
a statute of limitations almost about what were video can
be applied and where it can't. So that would have
to be something that tennis officials would have to consider.
But I've got to say our side with Coco on this.
It should have been replating interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Okay, guys, we'll take a break. Come back to you
shortly fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Right, you're back of the sports Hudle Matt Brown Andrew
Gordy Speaking of the football, Matt, do you reckon Alex
Paulson being signed by Bournemouth. Bournemouth in the EPL is
going to make a whole bunch of kids in New
Zealand just dream big and go hard at playing football.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
Absolutely, Look, the EPL is the be all and endo
or I think as far as most key we kids
are partly due to their parents. I'm know different. My
son is addicted to watching Liverpool, for example, and so
if he plays born Myth Borne Myuth in the Premier
League and actually gets starts and becomes the first team keeper,
just like Kiwi's love to see Chris Wood and they

(01:00:36):
go gaga when he comes down to New Zealand and
just played for Norway. Same thing back before him, Ryan
Nelson when he was at Blackburn and Spurs Winston Reed
at west Ham. The Premier League is everything. In fact,
a lot of our players are playing in Europe and
yet they are not necessarily getting to say they're not well,
they're not getting the same exposure despite you know, Liby
Cacacci playing in Serie R. It just does not have
anywhere near the profile in this country that the Premier

(01:00:58):
League does. So it will be massive for generation of kids.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, totally. Gordy, is he good enough to become the
first keeper?

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Yeah? Well, I mean yeah he is.

Speaker 16 (01:01:06):
I think he's clearly demonstrated this season with the fanat
that he's a prodigious talent. And what I think is
incredible here is that this guy is twenty one years old,
He's had one season in the A League, he's yet
to play and the international for his country, and yet
he's been spotted by an English Premier League club. Now
what does that tell you about modern football modern sport?

(01:01:27):
You can be spotted anywhere and that never used to
be the case. And I really think, especially in recent years,
you know, we now have quite a number of young
talented footballers playing in you know, elite competitions around the world,
and I think that's only going to grow. But like
you say, if kids can see it and believe it,
they will continue to do it. So yeah, it is

(01:01:49):
going to attract more kids to the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Of Noah, I'm so pleased about that. Hey, Matt, on
the Formula one, these guys are promising smaller, green and
more for energy efficient cars from twenty twenty six. Do
you like what you see? I you got concerns about it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:01):
Look, I'm not a petrol head. I'll put my hand
on the table there, but I'll tell you what I love.
I do love Formula one. I never got into Formula
E at all. The silent cars don't do it for me.
So cleaner, greener, are they going to be quieter? I
mean motorsports fans love the noise, you know, the days
of the vs. The supercars and miss at Mobile five hundred,
Pool of Cobe, these great events that we've had over

(01:02:22):
the years. To me, no, I wouldn't make those changes.
I think I think it needs to stay as it is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
No, totally because Gordy Lewis Hamilton already has already heard
from other drivers that these cars are slower.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
That's pointless, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:02:37):
That is totally pointless, And Matt, I'm totally with you.
We call them the sewing machines are the Formula E
cars because they do they sound like piwing machines going
around the tracks. What people want is they want the noise,
they want the speed, and they want drivers that hate
each other. If you can get those three things in
Formula one, that's a recipe for success. And I'm not
sure this is heading in the right direction.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
It's all right, guys, listen, enjoy your week in a sport.
Thank you so much appreciated, Andrew Gordy, news hubsport presenter
at Matt Brown, Oceania Football Confederation media manager, heither, I'm
sick of all of the sport talk. Leave it to
the sports shows. Waiting to hear what you were going
to say about Willie Jackson. Okay, let's do that next.
Then eight away from six on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen drive
with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News
talk as be.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
All right, it's five away from six. Just reminder Sharon
Zola with some good news for us on the fact
that she thinks that the Reserve Bank's going to cut
the interest rates a little earlier than expected in February
rather than May. Shall explain why it's basically because the
economy stuffed. She can explain that much better than I can.
So she's with us after sex. Now Willie Jackson. So,
Willie Jackson was on Breakfast Television this morning and they
were talking about the allegations that have been leveled against

(01:03:45):
the Maori Party and Willie Jackson. Remember great mates with
John Palmerheada used to host a radio show with him.
That those two have been bosom buddies since, like you know,
Jesus was in diapers. He kind of defended the Maori
Party and John Pam. He sort of does. He's sort of,
He sort of is like, well, you know, if they're guilty,
they're guilty. But also then he defends him.

Speaker 22 (01:04:06):
Have ever listen, look if JT is guilty, not lock them up,
you know, throw the book at them. That there's a
process to go through. And I hope they go through
that process. But look, it's it's I know this Mara backwards,
my cousin's the chair, I know the people. Well, this
is driven by Brian Tarmicky and his destiny crewe. I

(01:04:26):
just say, and so if John and them are guilty,
look throw the book with them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So this is what he's doing, right, He's saying, if
they're guilty, but actually this is about Brian Tammockey. So
he blames Brian Tumicky and he says, the whole thing
is being driven by Brian Tummicky. It's interesting. He's a
little bit more of him doing exactly the same.

Speaker 8 (01:04:40):
Thing, and it's destiny.

Speaker 22 (01:04:43):
Look, those are the guys who are driving it, and
we know who's driving it.

Speaker 8 (01:04:47):
And what I'm saying is, well, just look, I want
to see the evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Okay, Now that is the Brian Tarmicky connection. Is interesting
because that is exactly the same thing John Palmerhead did
in his press statement today where he blamed Brian Tummocky
and his lot for this. Now it feels to me
like Willie Jackson is in a little bit of a
difficult position here and he ought to be very careful
with how far he goes out on a limb defending
the Maori Party here, because he is not in the

(01:05:13):
Maori Party. He is in the Labor Party. In fact,
he's quite a senior member of the Labor Party. He is,
last I checked, the co chair of the Labor Party's
Maori caucus. He should be baying for blood in this.
He should be saying he wants absolutely every piece of
evidence out there because one of his MP's, Penny Henare,
lost that seat where that Maria is to the Maori Party.

(01:05:36):
And yet he's coming out and he's sort of defending
the Maori Party. I reckon he is in a spot
of bother here. Quite frankly, if I was Penny Henare
sitting there having looked at this, having lost my seat
amongst all of these allegations, or any of the other
Labor Party mary MP's who lost their seats to the
Maori Party, I'd be pretty dark on Willie for this

(01:05:57):
because it doesn't feel like he's fighting their corner.

Speaker 7 (01:05:59):
Eight.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
It feels like he might be fighting his mate JT's corner.
So anyway, interesting to see how this one plays out,
because you can't have one of your chiefs in there.
The chiefs not defending the rest of the people, right,
If he's not defending the soldiers, you might need a
new chief. I would think Barry Soople wrap the political
week that was in the next hour. Actually news Dogs
had been.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
We have business inside the business hour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
We'd head a duple c Allen and my Hr on
News Dogs, A B.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Even coming up and really try that again. Just some
English problems there coming up in the next hour. Peter
Lewis is going to talk us through the Indian election
because the new government's about to be sworn in tomorrow.
He's with us after half past six, Barry Sopl will
rip wrap the political week that was and also rip
it probably and Gavin Grays with us out of the
UK at seven past six. Now A and Z has
got some good news for us, but also a little

(01:07:07):
bit of bad news. The good news is the bank
is now predicting the Reserve Bank will cut the ocr
in February, which is three months earlier than they were
previously saying. The bad news, though, is that the rate
cart's only going to be possible because the economy is
weak and unemployment they're predicting will be higher than five
percent by December. Sharon Zolner is A and z's chief
economist and with us evening, Sharon good evening, Okay, why

(01:07:28):
only three months? Why not bring it forward to November?

Speaker 23 (01:07:32):
It could happen. But essentially the Reserve Bank, you know,
their mandate is just to get inflation under control, to
get it to two percent, but not only that, but
also be pretty confident that it's going to stay in
that sort of one to three percent range. So, given
they've struggled to get runs on the board so far,
we think they'll be pretty cautious and if anything, probably

(01:07:53):
err on the side of caution. They always have the
option of cutting faster, but if they cut too soon,
the market will away with that, and then hauling it
back would be actually pretty challenging.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Do you think they're aiming for two rather than just
anything sub three.

Speaker 23 (01:08:09):
Well, if you're aimed for two point eight or something,
then it's really not going to take much to bounce
out of the band again. So certainly they're on the
record of saying yes, they are aiming at two so
as to maximize the chance of staying in that band.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
And so when do you reckon it hits two.

Speaker 23 (01:08:25):
We've got it heading two sometime next year. But it's
really the mix of inflation that matters, because there are
some parts of inflation that in the made offshore and
the oil prices and biggie that's obviously the Reserve Bank
of New Zealand can do nothing to influence. So they
really do focus on the homegrown inflation and that's the
bit that's been unfortunately, very very slow to fall. So

(01:08:46):
whether we're thinking more in terms of getting that down
and by February next year that probably won't quite see
where it needs to be, but we think it'll be
well on the way, and the Reserve Bank will be
pretty confidence forecasting that it'll get there pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Do you reckon that the the Reserve Bank governor's getting
any traction out of his jewel boning.

Speaker 23 (01:09:04):
He's seridenly getting traction out of his ocr heikes whether
he yet traction out of just threatening people to not
raise their prices.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 23 (01:09:13):
We've seen him on a few occasions sort of talk
directly to firms about their pricing decisions and directly to
consumers about their inflation expectations, telling people to trust trust
our forecast, not what you see out the window. At
the moment, I don't know if it works, but hey,
it's a pretty low cost way of achieving things as
opposed to actually accusing economic pains. It's probably worth a cradack.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
How weak is the economy do you think?

Speaker 23 (01:09:37):
Well, we can see that GDP is practically zero in
terms of growth, and of course we've got population growth,
so GDP per person is looking really quite sodden. The
issue is that the Reserve Bank also has to estimate
how fit the economy is, so how fast can it
run without generating inflation? And unfortunately they've changed their mind
about that, and that was the big issue.

Speaker 18 (01:09:58):
Last month.

Speaker 23 (01:09:59):
We saw them revise down their forecast for growth, but
actually revised up their forecast for inflation nonetheless, because they
looked at the productivity data, they looked at the lack
of traction on inflation and decided, actually, this economy is
really not very fit at all. For our part, we're
optimistic that actually what we're seeing is just really persistent lags.

(01:10:19):
There are a lot of prices in inflation that depends
on inflation that's gone before even you know, insurance. A
lot of people are talking about insurance and rate hikes
for example. That depends a lot on construction costs, which
of course the Reserve Bank absolutely does influence by its
impact on the housing market. So some of it we
think we just have to be patient.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Is Sharon, It's so good to talk to you. Thank
you very much. Really appreciate the good news that Sharon's
on A and z's chief economist. A little bit more
good news if you're on the ki frame key fruit,
because Kiwi fruit is doing really really well in terms
of experts at the moment, and obviously it's on your shelves.
If you need a vitamin sea boost, go and get
yourself some key fru It will make you feel heaps better.
The harvest this year is the biggest crop they have

(01:10:59):
ever picked. How good is that? Because these guys have
just had runs of bad news after bad news after
bad news. Has just been such a rough time to
be in the Kiwi fruit business, with all of the
mishandling of the fruit during the lockdowns. Remember we couldn't
get enough workers and to peck the fruit. And then
when they finally did get fruit onto the ships to Europe,
then they had the blinking mice in there eating all
the trays and stuff. Anyway, finally, so finally some more

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good news. They managed to pick the biggest crop ever.
It's one hundred and ninety three million trays. On average,
every tray has got thirty pieces of kiwi fruit in it. Now,
my maths is really cruddy because I went through nc
and I didn't go through NCAA. My massa is just
crudgus has been a long time since I've out to
actually do mats. But I reckon one hundred and ninety
three million trains trays times thirty pieces of ki fruit

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is about six billion pieces of fruit that's been picked.
That's amazing, isn't it? Twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's headed Duplice Helen with the Business Hours thanks to
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Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
It's caulled a past six. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent,
to rap the political week that was welcome back, Barry,
Hello again, Heather. They're going to have to call a big,
do it once, do it right inquiry into the Marty Party,
aren't they.

Speaker 12 (01:12:11):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
Absolutely.

Speaker 13 (01:12:12):
We've seen Chris Luxen, who will be back from his
trip around the Pacific in the next twenty four hours.

Speaker 8 (01:12:20):
He said that he'll have a look at it.

Speaker 13 (01:12:21):
He'll have a look at what stats New Zealand are doing.
The police have had a complaint filed with them. The
Electoral Commission should be involved, so too the Maldi Party itself.
They've come out, as I said earlier, fists flailing today,
saying we've got nothing to hide, show us the evidence

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and if you do that then we can reply to
these allegations. Well, the only way to clear this matter up,
and it's a very serious matter when a census data
is used in this way. If it has been, it's
a very serious matter and it has to be looked into.
And you know, the Maldi Party and John Timmerheavy have

(01:13:04):
a lot of questions that they need to be asked.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
Part of the reason why I think there has to
be a big overarching inquiry is because a number of
these agencies themselves have a real questions to answer like
mist was warned by a whistleblower allegedly and just ignored it,
moved her out of them at STATS was warned and
ignored it for months. By the sounds of things, the
Electoral Commission still hasn't actually done any anything substantive of
a bunch of these allegations. They can't be expected to

(01:13:28):
look into themselves right when there are questions not their
own conduct.

Speaker 13 (01:13:31):
Absolutely, I mean you know that would be a whitewash,
not an inquiry at all. So definitely there should be
a ministerial inquiry or even a select committee inquiry. Although
I don't think that's strong enough. I think this cuts
to the very heart yeah of democracy and the privacy
of information, and really it has to be an overarching

(01:13:55):
and limer.

Speaker 17 (01:13:55):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I reckon the right person to do this. It's either
the coppers or it is the Order to General. But
what happens with that Order to General? Does does somebody
need to complain to him for him to start an.

Speaker 8 (01:14:07):
Inquiry that, yes, somebody would have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
He can't disappoint himself to one.

Speaker 13 (01:14:09):
No, I think well yes he can. He can say
I'll be looking into this, but I think it needs
more than that, I think it needs to be a
much more open inquiry so the public can have its
faith restored, not just in democracy, but in the senses
and the way that's being conducted, the way it may
have been conducted in this case.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah, yeah, not a fair fair point. Actually, the NATS
have they managed to rescue themselves after that balls up
the cancer drugs?

Speaker 13 (01:14:38):
Well, you know it was egg on their face, wasn't
it really that. I don't know why they misread the
situation so badly, and they should never in the first place.
And the lead up to the last election promise thirteen
keys of drugs because what you do in doing that
is you undermine your own bargaining ability because the pharmaceutical

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company will know exactly the drugs thereafter and you can't
then bargain in the way you may be able to
or may have been able to. And the difficulty is
now for national that says it's going to make a
decision on these cancer drugs very shortly, well you know
they're going to find it difficult, not just with the

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pharmaceutical companies but with Farmac. Now it's Farmac's job to
do the buying on behalf of the taxpayer and the government.
It's not it's not the government's job to tell Farmac
which drugs to buy, and that's a real problem.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
I think, yeah, I think you're right on that one.
The radiology services money is that. I looked at that
and thought of this is them trying to sort of
restore their reputation on the housefield. Am I being too cynical?

Speaker 13 (01:15:45):
No, that that decision was made within twenty four hours
of them talking about the cancer drugs, But this is
really quite a step change in the way things have
been conducted in the past. They're throwing thirty million dollars
at it, and what it means is that a GP
can refer a person to radiology services and that includes

(01:16:08):
scans and the light CT scans and the like, rather
than the person having to first go to a specialist
and then get referred to a radiology service. And you
can imagine it would make for a much more streamline
situation if they have the information that's garnered out of
having the X ray a bit to be able to

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present that to a specialist, and it would give the specialist,
you know, a much better idea of what the patient
is suffering from and how it can be rectifized.

Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
End of the week on a high a with pothole money, Like,
who doesn't love money for potholes?

Speaker 13 (01:16:42):
Well, you know it's incredible, isn't it that we talk
in this country about potholes. Normally it's a third world problem.
But when you consider the figure that they put out
sixty two thousand potholes detected around New Zealand last year,
we've got ading problem. And it's not just it's maintenance,

(01:17:03):
but it has to be ongoing maintenance rather than plugging holes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Yeah, fair enough, Barry, thank you very much. Appreciate it
as always. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, rapping the political
week that was. Peter Lewis is going to be with
us out of Hong Kong on the Indian government the
Indian elections. He'll be with us in around about seventeen
minutes time. This will I'll tell you what if you
watch the video at the weekend of the Livin Boy
races and just the mayhem that the caused and the

(01:17:28):
disrespect for the coppers, if that drove you crazy, Like
if that made you feel even just a slightly bit angry,
just the tiniest bit angry. I reckon this will make
you feel angry again. One News has just spoken to
the guy who organized it. He reckons he spent months
planning what he calls the Livin Invasion. He's from Wellington,
so you know, not that far away. He reckons they're

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coming back, obviously not in the slightest Worried about the
fact that all the locals are as upset as they are,
and the policemen it's is upset and the cops are
upset about it. He said, I wanted to leave a
mark and to show the government that we don't care
about your honey laws and all the new laws that
are coming in because we are here to stay. Says
they're going to come back because they have demands. I know,

(01:18:11):
it's like ransom.

Speaker 16 (01:18:14):
He says.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
They want a purpose built facility for car enthusiasts to use.
What we're doing is illegal. I understand that, but until
we get a proper skid pad or somewhere safe to
do it, we're going to keep doing it on the streets.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
I read somewhere that there is some sort of a
skid pad around the bottom of the North Island, and
the problem with it is though that it doesn't suit them.
So they want to be able to use the skid
pad when they want to be able to use it,
which is presumably in the middle of the night. They
don't want to have to comply with the rules.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
The rules are things like you can't get totally boozed
and get behind the wheel at these hired skid pads,
or the crowd has to stand like that far away.
But they want to be able to drink, and they
want the crowd to be right there so they can
sometimes actually even clip the people and stuff like that.
So anyway, even if they do get what they want,
they will not want to use it in the way
that we would want them to use it. So anyway,

(01:18:59):
I don't know quite now how they deal with this.
I hope that next time they come and to live
in the coppers just have such a massive presence. It
sorts those kids out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Six point twenty two crunching the numbers and getting the results.
It's Heather Dup see Ellen with the business hours.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
Hither they should have the army there with their tanks
and crush the lot. Then let's see who cares about
what you can and can't do. I mean, I'm for
the crushing, though, aren't you Like? I do not see
a downside to taking their cars off them. The minute
they start doing is skiddy when they're not supposed to.
I just rock up there and be like, thanks, give
me the keys, okay, bye, off you go, and then
I take the car and go crush it. What's up
with this? You get three strikes and stuff like that
would a waste of everybody's time.

Speaker 13 (01:19:40):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
If those guys want a skid pad so much, maybe
they should start raising funds for it by having a
bake sale and a sausage sizzle too, right Hither. The
worst thing about the boy racer organizer was actually, despite
being masked up, he was no kid. He's old enough
to have grown out of mindless pursuits like this. I
would agree with that. I speaking of money and stuff
like that, mungrel mob can start a little bake sale
if they want to continue that methamphetamin rehab program and
hooks because the money's been taken off them. Finally, the

(01:20:03):
two point seventy five million, remember that that was given
to them in twenty twenty, but it was given to
them for four years, so this is the year that
it runs up. Now it runs out. Now if they
really truly believe that their program was assisting people, I
look forward to seeing their fundraising efforts and their intent
to continue with that program despite the lack of funding.

(01:20:25):
Do you know what I mean? I think we can
all see that's not going to happen now, Torri Farno.
I've been thinking about this all day because I woke
up to the news. Interesting thing to wake up to.
Woke up to the news that Tory Farno has revealed
that she has been diagnosed with ADHD and significant traits
of autism. And as a result of finally getting this
diagnosis quite late in life, because she'd be well into

(01:20:46):
her forties, what the what they've done basically at the
council is they've decided to keep her meetings to thirty
minutes maximum, presumably so she doesn't lose concentration, and she
now has to pack as much into the morning as
possible so that while she's got heaps of eny, so
in the afternoon when she's a bit more low energy,
she doesn't have to do quite as much. And as
also also they have to factor in that she needs

(01:21:07):
quite a bit of rest once you know she's done
all this stuff and whatnot. Good on her, I think
forgetting this diagnosis, because I think not enough people do
actually go and get diagnosed for this stuff. And hopefully
now that she has got this diagnosis will give her
the ability to understand what is going on and get
her act together as a result of that. But the

(01:21:28):
thing that I've been mulling over all day is that
I do not know how I feel about her going
public with this. She says she's gone public with it
kind of in the end, like to reduce stigma, and
maybe it will reduce stigma. I mean, you never know.
Maybe in some parts of the world, in some parts
of our community, it will reduce stigma, but I don't know.
It feels to me like someone like stigma is only

(01:21:48):
reduced when you have got a high functioning, capable, successful
person you know, who you respect, goes public and says,
I've actually got ADHD and look at my I'm living
my best life despite this, and we go, oh, that
reduces the stigma. That's not that bad. I sort of
feel like someone who's a little bit of a mess
up if they go public with having all these things.
I don't feel like it reduces the stigma. More likely,

(01:22:08):
it just makes people go, oh, that's what, Oh that's
why you're a stuff up. So it kind of does
the opposite, like it pins all of these negative things,
all of the negative things that Tory Fano has done
is now pinned on this diagnosis, when I'm not really
sure that that's fair. But anyway, I'm still I'm still
trying to decide what I actually think. I'm gone. I
feel like half and half on that. Best of luck

(01:22:29):
to her, though, I'm sure this will very liberating and
unpleased that she's got the diagnosis. Headline's next than Peter Lewis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen
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Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
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you can come.

Speaker 12 (01:23:02):
And gus she's so high that she can come down,
ask you WHOA I'm getting slaid on the text machine
for being too nice to Tory Hither, you're serious, you
blow me away.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
This is how the Left having a play an illness
to cover their pathetic behavior. Well see here's the thing
like I I that's naturally obviously how cynical. I am too.
But but Tory didn't actually bought toy. I'm not on
first name basis. Tory Faro did not actually want to
have to go public with us necessarily, right. She was
pursued by the hera to go public with it.

Speaker 13 (01:23:39):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I you know, obviously she will take every opportunity available
to her. She's very, very good at communication. But I
also don't want to discourage people from being able to
talk about it if they've got a thing like this.
I think it's quite a good idea anyway. Gavin Gray
is going to be with us in about ten minutes time.
In New Zealand has announced that they are going to
fly to Bali all year round. This is their big
announcement today because previously they were only flying to Bali

(01:24:01):
on the on season, just between March and October. Now
they're just going to do it all year round. Now.
This is I suspect a lot of people will look
at that and think that's a good that's just a
good call, just an airline doing what they need to do.
But I don't know. I actually feel slightly uncomfortable about this.
Because it feels to me like Air New Zealand is
just scrambling trying to find something that works for them,
because remember they put all of the eggs into that

(01:24:22):
North American basket. The big New York leg was going
to be the big thing for them, right, It's going
to be their point of difference. But then Quantas came
in and totally cut their lunch on that one, and
then they had all these kind of North American legs
that they were relying on, and then next minute, all
of a sudden and they'd abandoned the London route, and
then all of a sudden, all of these planes weren't
flying between America and China anymore, and so all these

(01:24:43):
other carriers decided to fly down to New Zealand as well,
and they're getting their lunch cut continuously, and the competition
is fierce in this one place that they thought that
they were going to make a mint. And so just
wonder if them looking around for things like balley and
stuff is sort of trying to plug that gap. If
it is, I don't know, is it going to work?
Do you really want to go to Bali that badly?

(01:25:04):
Twenty two away from seven Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondence
with us Now Hey, Peter, Hello, Henda Hey, Honorindram Moody.
Losing his outright majority, this has got to be a
good thing in terms of hampering his ability to go
full nationalist right.

Speaker 24 (01:25:20):
I think that's right, man, And you know this is
in many ways it's not a bad thing at all.
Despite the panic that we saw in Indian financial markets
at the beginning of this week, the government that we're
getting now is not going to look that much different
from what we saw before the election. It's going to
be a coalition of parties in the National Democratic Alliance

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as there was before the election. Mister Mody will lead
that as he did before the election, and he will
be Prime Minister now. The only difference is, of course,
on his own he didn't get a majority, which wasn't
the case in the last two elections, where he had
enough votes to rule on his own if he wanted to.

Speaker 8 (01:26:02):
So you're right.

Speaker 24 (01:26:02):
The fact that he has got now needs these coalition
partners could rain in some of the more divisive policies
and undemocratic policies that he was trying to impose and
had imposed in India, particularly on religious minorities and having
a sort of a nationalist type approach, so it's going

(01:26:24):
to be a little bit more conciliatory. I don't think
this will derail his economic agenda at all. I think
you'll still be able to move forward with the economic
reforms that he wanted to do to try and get
India up to being a developed market economy by twenty
forty seven. So there's going to be a lot of
investments in infrastructure. What he is going to have to

(01:26:44):
do is focus a lot more on making sure that
the benefits of the economic growth that India has been
seeing and it's growing that over eight percent at the
moments eight point two percent was the figure for the
last fiscal year, and make sure the benefit of that
spread more evenly around the country. Because this is the
main reason I think why he didn't get his majority.

(01:27:07):
There were a lot of people in some big states
that felt that they just ont included in it, and
they got to the gates him. So he's got to
make sure that he comes up with policies to address that.
There's a lot of young people unemployed in the country.
They need to create a lot of jobs to keep
everyone in employment. So he's going to have to focus on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
That as well.

Speaker 24 (01:27:30):
So, as you say, there are some positive things that could.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Come out with this, Peter, why is he so keen
on pursuing closer ties with Taiwan?

Speaker 24 (01:27:40):
Well, this is interesting, I mean he said this week
in response to William Lai, who congratulated him on Twitter
about his victory, and William Lai said they were looking
forward to a fast growing India Taiwan partnership that is
going to contribute to peace and prosperity in the India Pacific,

(01:28:01):
and mister Moodie responded saying that he was looking forward
to closer ties with Taiwan. Now, this is going to
absolutely rile China, which completely opposes any country having closer
relations with Taiwan, and even though these are not formal
diplomatic relations, China opposes even trade ties and any form

(01:28:24):
of developing a partnership, whether it be economic or technological
with China. I'm not quite sure why he wants to
do this right now, but obviously you know he does
have a dispute with China over the northern border in
the Himalayas, and India and China do have their own

(01:28:44):
sort of tensions so maybe he feels that in his
third term, which is almost certainly going to be his
last term as Prime Minister, he can start doing some
of the things that internationally he would like to do,
and that could be involved getting closer to the United States.
Has been very new uctural on things like the war
in Ukraine and the US China tensions. Maybe this is

(01:29:06):
a signal that is going to get closer to the
United States and maybe move more towards them.

Speaker 8 (01:29:14):
Staying in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Yeah, very interesting STUFFE what's going on with your retail sales?
I mean, falling fifteen percent in a month, there's a lot.

Speaker 24 (01:29:21):
It's huge, absolutely huge, And if you take into accounts inflation,
just measure retail cells by volume, they're down over sixteen percent. Now,
this is no longer a cyclical issue. This can't be
put down to base effects or seasonal effects. This is
a real structural issue. And what's happening is the consumer

(01:29:42):
the spending patterns of Hong Kongers are changing very fast.
One of the things that's changing is that it's now
much easier to go over the border to mainland China
and particularly to Shenzhen. So every weekend, scores of Hong
kongers are crossing the border and spend big money in Shenzen,
where it's far far cheaper than it is in Hong Kong.

(01:30:05):
And you can get cheap hotels in Shenzen and very
nice hotels as well, about a quarter of the price
that it costs in Hong Kong. And the converse of
that is that mainland tourists are no longer coming to
Hong Kong and the droves that they used to. They're
not coming here to buy expensive jewelry and watches and
clocks like they used to. When they do come, they're

(01:30:27):
coming on budget trips and they're being very cautious about
what they're spending. So Hong Kong, and this has been
the debates that has really been raging in Hong Kong,
particularly this week, needs to change its model. It's economic model,
which is really no longer suited for the way that
China operates and for Hong Kong the way it's sort

(01:30:47):
of more integrated into China, and it just can't rely
anymore on these bloods of tourists coming to Hong Kong
and spending a lot of money here. So it really
needs to have a think about what is the Hong Kong.
How is it going to grow and develop going forward?

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Interesting? Yeah, hey, Peter, thank you as always, enjoy your weekend.
Look forward to talking to you next week. As Peter
lewis our Asia business correspondent, Heather, you're so right rear
in New Zealand clutching at straws in an American leg being
overtaken by quantas Heather, I really enjoy your show, but
I'm pretty sure you have ADHD. You definitely show all
the traits. I googled it. The main signs of hyperactivity

(01:31:27):
and impulsiveness are being unable to sit still, especially in
calm surroundings, constantly fidgeting, being unable to concentrate on tasks,
excessive physical movement, excessive talking that are absolutely one hundred
percent excessive talking that's me being unable to wait your turn,
acting without thinking, interrupting conversations, little or no sense of danger.

(01:31:49):
I mean, I did once order a gun online when
I knew that I could possibly go to jail, So
that's possibly true. Anyway, so I thought about it. Here's
the trouble with this is that my brother and like
literally everybody I know, is constantly diagnosing themselves with ADHD,
and so I'm already hyper aware of the fact that
you can find yourself in there. So anyway, so I'm
open to being adh Young' got a problem with that

(01:32:10):
if I'm ADHD cool at cool Banana's. But I don't
think I am. Because these symptoms can cause significant problems
in a child's life, such as underachievement at school. Bro
I got ninety eight percent in school semaths and ninety
five percent in like something else. I don't know what
it was. Who cares English or something? Come on, that's
not underachievement. Also poor social interaction with other children and adults.

(01:32:34):
That's true. My colleagues will tell you that all the time.
Problems with discipline, No way, Momum beat me black and blue.
I was really good at discipline. I definitely learned it.
And in adults and stuff. Also it shows up in
like things like no regard for safety, like driving driving
dangerously and stuff. Mate, I went the opposite direction when
I had the baby, like I got ridiculously scared about everything.

(01:32:56):
I was like, super careful about everything. Baby gates all
over the show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Nut.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
I don't think I'm ADHD. I would love to be
ADHD because it would basically give me something to blame
everything on, but unfortunately for myself, just pretty boring and normal,
just talks too much. That's all fourteen away from seven everything.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
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Speaker 8 (01:33:21):
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:33:23):
Gavin Gray as our UK correspondent this evening. Hi, Gavin,
hither look to you like the new European Parliament is
probably going to shift to the right.

Speaker 25 (01:33:31):
Yeah, I think that's the way everyone is expecting it
to go. So they are across the EU voting for
the European Parliament members three hundred and seventy three million
Europeans eligible to vote. It's the second biggest democratic election
in the world after India. Seven hundred and twenty seats
up for grabs, each country having seats proportioned to their population,

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with Germany and ninety six for instance, France eighty one.
The Netherlands have one seats, so they're up for grabs
and they are among the first countries to vote. The
focus will move to Ireland and the Czech Republic as well.
Today they vote, and then the rest of the EU
votes over the weekend, with the expected result late Sunday

(01:34:15):
evening European time Monday morning for New Zealand. Now we
are expecting this result this election to come and favor
potentially far right parties eyeing victory in France, Belgium, Austria
and Italy. So everyone's really looking at the first one
Netherlands the Dutch to see which way they're going. Now

(01:34:38):
we don't know yet. Voting is underway, but the exit
polls suggest it's a tight race between the Party of
Anti Islam Populist Builders and the left Green Alliance, and
that would suggest that mister Wilder's Freedom Party is on
course for some gains, but not the runaway victory, not
a repeat of the runaway victory of the general election

(01:35:01):
within the Netherlands to elect a Dutch government. So it's
going to be a very interesting few days. A lot
of very concerned people in Europe about this lurch to
the right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Kevin explained to me the latest with Harry, Prince Harry
in his court case.

Speaker 25 (01:35:16):
Oh how long have you got? This is really really
quite complicated, but basically Prince Harry always used to receive
full publicly funded security protection until he stepped back from
royal duties and moved to America back in March twenty twenty.
There is something called RAVEK, the Executive Committee for the
Protection of Royal and Public Figures, and they decide the

(01:35:39):
level of protection. And in the past, all being in
that very senior clique of royal family members, they all
received the same level of protection. That changed when he
moved and his was downgraded. His level of protection was
downgraded when he visited the UK. He didn't like that.
He launched legal action against the Home Office response for policing.

(01:36:01):
Multiple hearings have taken place since he was told that
he was refused permission to challenge a ruling which said
there was no procedural unfairness, and he decided to go
up and over the head of that High Court to
the Court of Appeal and the judge has said he
can appeal. He said he was persuaded quote not without hesitation,

(01:36:24):
that Harry's challenge has a prospect of success. So back
to court we all go. This is costing the UK
taxpayer more money. I would suggest it's possibly making Harry
even less popular, but that's just my opinion. So Harry
back to court. One of lots of different legal proceedings
he is undertaking, including of course all those cases against

(01:36:46):
the newspapers and media here in the UK.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Gevin, your opinion is bang on. I love it. Thank
you very much. Devin Gray, UK correspondent, eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Whether it's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all
on Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Talksp here that the symptoms of burnout are similar to ADHD.
Most people get them confused. Matt, thank you. That's what
I've tried to tell my brother. I've said to him,
you're just burnt out, you're not ADHD. But then but
he wants to be adh I was, okay, you could
be ADHD if it makes you feel better. Here the
why does everybody seem to need some sort of a
diagnosis to describe their individual personality traits? Also, far no

(01:37:27):
just wants the attention of in. Both of those things
are true. I just love yourself for who you are.
If you're a little bit hyperactive and talk too much
and interrupt people, you're just excitable. It's a lovely thing.
That's probably what we love about you. Anyway, listen, listen
to this. Okay, China's copping grief at the moment because
China's largest uninterrupted waterfall has been busted as not being
actually just a natural waterfall. But there are pipes in

(01:37:48):
the rock face. How in God's name they got pipes
into the rock face, I do not know. But there
are pipes in the like big pipes, like the kind
of pipes that are big enough that Wellington can't afford them,
you know, because Wellingson like a third world city. Now
those kinds of big pipes, like proper pipes. Someone was
hiking up by the Juntai Falls and they were looking
at the beautiful waterfall and they're behind the beautiful waterfall

(01:38:10):
was a gigantic pipe with all this water coming out
and so like, out of the rock phase. So they
took a video. The videos got viral. As a result,
the authorities have been pressed into admitting that yes, they
actually at some point constructed a concealed network of water pipes.
And the reason they put them in is because they
want to make sure that the waterfalls always have water,
right because you know, you know how it is. Sometimes

(01:38:31):
there's a dry season, maybe it's summer, river dries up
a wee bit the waterfall's not as impressive. Do you
know what got on your China? I'm into this.

Speaker 19 (01:38:38):
We should get into this. There, you're I should get
into this. Oh we have plenty of great waterfalls already,
but we're doing more.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Yeah, why not? Why not? Like why even just do
it by an existing waterfall? Why not just make a
waterfall somewhere? Just be like, you know what that could
do with a waterfall?

Speaker 7 (01:38:50):
Up?

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
It goes, put some pipes.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
In local water. Done well, and we do waterfalls too
with you. G easy me myself and I to play
us out tonight. The American Wrap Around Producer is going
to be playing a sh show in New Zealand next year.
It's announced today, just the one at Auckland's town Hall
on March the first.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
I don't want to have to travel to the biggest
waterfall in China and get there and there's not enough water.
I want them to be here.

Speaker 19 (01:39:14):
This is a classic sausage principal one, right, Like I
don't need to know what goes into the sausage. I
just want to look at the beautiful waterfall. I'm not
going to worry too much about where the waterfall came
from or whether there are parts. Bill, You're right, I
just want to take a nice photo.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Yes, that's right. I just want water. I appreciate the
effort they're putting into their tourism. You enjoy your weekend,
and I'll be back with your Monday news talks. He'd
be the Gami for life. I don't need an even
when night is going got that, Fia Musl.

Speaker 8 (01:40:12):
Listens me every time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
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