Full Show Podcast: 13 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
News folk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good afternoon. The Chinese premiere is here. He's landed, just
as new allegations e merge of Chinese interference in our democracy.
We're going to speak to former Sas Minister Andrew Little
about it. Brian Waddell, cricket commentator, on how the cricket's
going not well, by the way, really really badly. Also
bad news more of it. Our gas supply is down
again big time, so we're going to speak to an
analyst about that.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Heather Dup to c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am here for the government's proposal to lift the
speed limits again. How good is this. I'm going to
tell you what's happened at a road or on a
road near my mum's place and pook Achoe. Okay, there's
this back road that drives me. This kind of stuff
drives me crazy. There's this back road that you can
take if you don't want to take the main road
when you turn off the motorway at Drury in order
to kind of go on a rural back road to
pook a coe that used to be one hundred k's

(00:59):
an hour, But then, of course the labor government took
its nanny approach state nanny state approach to speed limits,
and the limit got dropped from one hundred k's an
hour to eighty k's an hour. And to be honest
with you, in parts of the road, maybe eighty k's
an hour makes sense, but actually there are quite significant
parts of the road which are dead straight and you
can see all that you need to see ahead of
you for ages, and it could be one hundred k's

(01:19):
and that would be perfectly fine, but it's eighty k's.
The whole way gets better now they've built a school.
So the other day I drive past to see the
school for the first time. The speed limit outside the
school is now thirty k's an hour all day, every day,
not just when the school is on all day. Ten
o'clock at night, thirty k's an hour, Saturdays, thirty ks

(01:41):
an hour, Sundays thirty ten o'clock on a Sunday night
thirty k's an hour. There's no reason for that. It's
a rural road. There is literally nothing else around the school.
It is literally a school, and some paddocks and a
road in the middle, and it's thirty k's an hour
all day, every day. Now, that's the kind of stupidity
that I'm hoping is going to be unwound by what

(02:02):
this government's about to do and but hopefully replaced a
little bit more common sense. The government will still require
speed limits outside schools to be thirty k's an hour,
and I think that you and I can agree that
that's a smart idea, sixty k's in rural areas, but
the speed limit will be variable, so if you drive
past at ten o'clock at night, it's not thirty k's
an hour. It's not going to be fixed at thirty
k's every single day, all day long. Speed limits that

(02:22):
were dropped are going to go back up again unless
there is local support for them to stay low. Roads
of national significance will go to one hundred and ten
k's per hour, and they're even considering what bliss is
this one hundred and twenty k's per hour for roads
built to handle that kind of speed. Now, the reason
I'm on board with this is because speed is not
the biggest problem on our roads. You may be surprised

(02:44):
by that it is not the biggest keller on our roads.
Most of the fatalities that we suffer are caused by
drugs and alcohol. So the labor government the last lot
were tackling the wrong thing. They were dropping speeds, which
is not the biggest problem, while at the same time
ignoring the biggest problem because the cops basically stopped doing
breath alcohol testing for ages there and even though the

(03:04):
government itself had tried and promised that they'd bring in
roadside drug testing, they never did. So they were neglecting
the two big problems while focusing on the third problem,
which wasn't the biggest. At least we've got the right order.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
The cops are back with the booze buses, the roadside
drug tests are apparently coming in by the end of
this year, and the speed limits going to go back
to common sense levels.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Heather Duper see Ala Simmy and Brown is.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
With us actually ten past five on Matt Now, the
Retirement Commissioner has made a series of recommendations for changes
to Keiwi SABER. The analysis has recommended default contribution rates
should go from where they are right now, which is
three percent to four percent, with employers being required to
match at that level, but the Commission stopped short of
recommending key we Saber be made completely compulsory. Michelle Rayes

(03:46):
is the policy lead at the Retirement Commissioner Commission. Rather
Heimerschelle Hi have why not compulsory?

Speaker 5 (03:53):
Well, I think the evidence shows us that it's not
really necessary. We've got very high levels of membership. The
scheme has been very afa have been getting people to join,
and when we look at contributing members we see that
almost all of the people who are in paid employment
are actually contributing already, So compulsion isn't really necessary.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Really, Like, what proportion of people in paid employment are contributed.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Well, those that are paid employees, so those are wage
and salary earners, about ninety percent of them are actually
currently contributing to the scheme. And when we look more
broadly as the population that include self employed, it dropped
about eighty percent.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
And why not make it compulsory to scoop up that
last ten percent?

Speaker 5 (04:33):
Well, I think that there are downfalls to forcing people
to say, you know, some people on very low incomes
will actually not necessarily be better off if they give
up current well being for some future time period. So
we just want to give a little bit more flexibility
to people to make their own decision.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Obviously we don't you know, you don't have to make
it compulsory for the worker, but you can make it
compulsory for the employer. Why not do that?

Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, So that's one of the things that we we
do think some consideration should be given to. We know
that in other jurisdictions, you know, employer contributions are compulsory.
So that's something that we have recommended that the government
might give consideration too.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Why not call for it?

Speaker 5 (05:14):
I suppose there's always one needs a bit of a
broader analysis before you make these kind of calls, because
there are broader economic impacts that come out of compulsory settings,
like what they can impact on wage levels generally within
their economy, sometimes the economic productivity. So there's broader issues

(05:35):
at play that needed to be technique.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
For example, if you force an employer to make a
key we save a contribution on behalf of the employee,
they may in fact dock the employee's pay.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, that is one of the scenarios that can result, right.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Am I right in thinking that the employer over in
Australia has to put something like eleven percent in for
the worker.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yes, that's correct. Yeah, they've been increasing their contributions over
the past number of years. I think is currently at
about eleven percent.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
So why don't we get real? I mean, we're talking
here about raising it from three to four percent. That's
totally winks when you're comparing it to eleven percent or
over in Australia, those guys are loaded. Shouldn't we be
doing the same as them?

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Well, I think that's the first thing to notice. When
we say four percent, that would be with a four
percent employer match, so it's actually an eight percent contribution
we're talking about. And the other thing to remember is
that New Zealand's quite different from Australia because we have
New Zealand Super, so that is a universal pension payment
which isn't in place in Australia. So in a way,

(06:32):
people won't have to save as much out of their
current income because of the fact that New Zealand Super
is available to them as retirement income stream.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, fair point. Hey are you worried about our savings culture?
I mean, how on earth have we got people who
in some cases only got one hundred bucks in their
bank account at the end of the month.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Yeah, I think, you know, that is concerning. I think
that probably is a bit of a function of the
current economic climate that we're in at the moment, But yeah,
it is something that concerns us just generally Savan's culture. Sure,
it's something that we, you know, are pushing for people
to kind of think about their future selves when they
make decisions about current spending as well. But yeah, it

(07:11):
is a concern more generally, is I.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Mean, Michelle, there's not a lot you can do. If
somebody is just you know, living kind of paypack it
to pay pack it, that that is what will happen,
and you know, you just hope for the best for them.
But do we have examples of people who are actually
on a reasonable wicket who still don't save.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Yeah, Unfortunately, we don't have quite that level of what's
this aggregation and the data or the ability to break
down to have a look at those kind of levels
of analysis, So we're not one hundred percent sure of
that at the moment, but there probably are, you know,
instances where people aren't necessarily unsaving as much as they should.
I think the beauty of kiwisaver is how it works

(07:50):
as an opt out system and the default settings. All
of that helps play into the behavioral factors that we
know are at play when people save. So we know
that you saves working quite well then in capturing people
who otherwise might not be saving just because of things
like you know, procrastination and inertia. So people get into
the scheme and they don't.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
Opt out of it.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
So that's that's a good outcome in terms of people
saving for their future selves.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Michelle, thank you very much, really appreciated this. Michelle Rayer
of the Retirement Commission quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
U Storks, be Ey's up, Darcy water Grave.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
No, I'm sulking.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
What are you sulking? Oh? How about that?

Speaker 7 (08:43):
Are you laughing?

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (08:45):
Because really cruel.

Speaker 7 (08:46):
Don't kick a sports fan when he's down, mate.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Come on loose to the West and he's by thirteen
runs not good enough?

Speaker 9 (08:53):
No, and then I lost previously to afghanistart not good enough.
And while talking last night and character, well, it's it's
one game. Every team is going to have a bad game.
It doesn't reflect poorly on the team. And they were
going really, really well this afternoon. They were really pushing
down on the necks of the West Indians and was

(09:13):
looking good and then Darryl Mitchell came in and bowling
over and the last two overs got dispatched for I
think it was nineteen and eighteen respectively, and that shot
them out. We needed one hundred and fifty to win,
and then the wickets just kept the tumbling right at
the very end. Santa Claus had a bit of a
crack and had a few sexes, but it was too little,
too late.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
Problem disappointing.

Speaker 9 (09:35):
Oh there was some okay bowling, but there was some
also problem awful. What was the problem in the tournament?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Yeah? New Zealand won no games?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah? Why?

Speaker 8 (09:45):
Why?

Speaker 9 (09:46):
Well, the general thoughts are that they had no build
up and they had no warm up games, so they
were all underdone when they turned up.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Just answer me this question, because we talked about this yesterday.
Did they have time for warm up games?

Speaker 9 (09:58):
There was said by Ineed that it was difficult to
fit them in by the time they wanted to, But
I find that a.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Pretty bad excuse. You'll find something when there's a will.
There's a way.

Speaker 9 (10:09):
The Australians had it great, they'd had one with nine
players that had a couple of their coaches come on
and play. They would find it, they would do it
and if they didn't sort it out, well, it does
this line New Zealand Cricket for not actually going hold on,
we need something. We've got to do something, Nana, we'll
be right and we weren't right consecutive games and look,
New Zealand Cricket might go no, that's not the case.

(10:30):
We're actually forced into the corner. There's nothing we could
do about it. Well, you run the show. You need
to do better.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
You know.

Speaker 9 (10:35):
The best thing about this result though, I mean, there's
still two more games to go and there's a small
chance New Zealand might get in that it revolves on
other results going our way and the run rates blying out.
It's not going to happen. It's not going to I'll
bet what's the left of my career after today on it.
So we should be fine. But you know the positive thing,
what's that, Well, we don't have to get up at
two thirty in the morning to watch the black Caps

(10:55):
anymore because it's a waste of time.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
So send them home and let's have a little conversation.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
They've got to play Neuganda and Papua New Guinea, you know.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
After that, they've got to come back and they've got
to They've got to get what's coming at them from
the public.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right because they will.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
They will, and they deserve.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
It, and the coach will get it and the players
will get it.

Speaker 9 (11:12):
And I disturbed about maybe the captain. See at the
very end when the Seamas are bowling well and Williamson
didn't really do a maths properly, and suddenly Darrell Mitchell,
a guy comes on. He's all right, you know, military
medium pace and he has hardly played and he's got
to smash all over the park.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
That's just not poor mats on something which I'm excited about.
How real do you think this rumor is that the
NRL wants Eden Park to host a State of Origin game?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (11:39):
I know the rumors there, the possibility of it, and
IMS going to carry on being mister dirty negative after
today is about the same as the black Caps somehow
getting through it as well. There are a number of
reasons behind this about why one of them the only
place they could have it over here would be Eden Park, right,
it's any place big enough. Yeah, okay, what are the
chances of the Eden Park residents allowing a game being
played not even part the garden of Eden that Mount

(12:02):
Eden kings And it'll had to start at or about
half past nine New Zealand time to get the broadcast
rights for over in Australia. Well yeah, because that's half
past seven, that'll be the earliest I go. So that
means they need dispensation, that he law changes whatever in
order to have a game that goes to maybe half
past midnight.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I realize they can do the fast track consent and
they don't need this kind of permission. That's the first
thing that I don't like.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
The chance of it. I don't like the chances of it.
Why on earth would the Australian public even agree to this?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
This is their competition, this is theirs.

Speaker 7 (12:33):
Look, they might want to branch out a wee bit.

Speaker 9 (12:35):
Greg Peters is going to join us on the show
into our CEO up after seven o'clock to talk about why.

Speaker 7 (12:41):
The other big factor here is the amount of money.

Speaker 9 (12:44):
It actually costs. Because Melbourne and Perth and all of
these cities they peel the folding off saying we want
it here for the economic benefit. They pay for it
five to ten million dollars. Oh wow, to get them
to turn up.

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Who's going to pay for over here?

Speaker 9 (13:00):
So I don't know if we've got the ground, I
don't know if we've got the resident support. I don't
know if we've got the money. It goes on and
on and on, like building a new stateum In.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Some cricket texts, sure call themselves cricketers. Whether they are
a bloody embarrassment, that's what they are. That's from John here.
The bunch of has beens standard practice like the abs.
Pick all that you peckle that has been is no
youth and look to the future eager.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
I suppose it's better being has been than it never was.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
But there's a middle ground. Hey, thank you very very much,
Darcy really appreciated. Does a water grave sports or coastal
back at seven? It's full twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's hither Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be either.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Read the cricket there was a timely breakdown near the
end of the TV presentation and it was appreciated. I
didn't really want to watch the whole woeful performance anyway.
Our arrogance it not thinking we needed any lead up
games has quite rightly and quite deservedly bitten us in
the yars. It's absolutely right. Everybody knows this. Right if
you're a high performer, I say like as if I
am one. But if you're a high performer, you know
that the most important thing is not how awesome you are,

(14:06):
it's the work you put in beforehand. It pays off
and so you know they'll have to live with that. Listen,
the Chinese premiere has just touched down in the country today.
Lands at a time like this has obviously been deliberately timed.
Stuff has released a documentary. It's enormous. It's like an
hour and a half. So I'm not expecting you to
watch it. Therefore, I will just give you as much

(14:26):
as you need to know about it. The documentary claims
that there is this high level of Chinese interference in
New Zealand, and for the documentary, they interview Chinese New
Zealanders about their experiences. This is what he's landing in.
This is what he's landing into.

Speaker 10 (14:39):
You know, we've had groups that we've been harassed, and
you know, it was the first time we felt actually
we were quite unsafe. And there are experiences, yeah, that
the rest of New Zealand needs to know about now.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
According to this documentary, there's this lobbying work that's going
on from the Chinese Communist Party via the so called
United Front work depart arment and a secretive United Front
sub operation. The journalists behind this documentary, Paul of Penfold,
asks who the big players are in New Zealand and
we hear a familiar name.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
What names are influential in New Zealand?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Young Cheer Uh huh?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
The former National MP.

Speaker 11 (15:19):
Yeah, for Jan Young. He was obwarsely sent by CCP.
He has some military background and so that's what I'm
thinking that Jan Young was the most important people.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Basically, what they're saying is the former National MP was
the spy, aren't they That's what they're saying, and that'll
be that that allegations that rumor has been doing the
rounds in the political circles forever. Anyway, if that is
about the extent of the allegations in the documentary. I'm
not sure that it's quite the fuss that they're making
it up to be. But anyway, we're going to have
a chat to Andrew Little, the former SIS minister, who
has actually been quite outspoken about China in the past.

(16:00):
He's going to be with us after five o'clock in
the meantime. Can I just say that the texts in
regards to the Retirement Commissioners Commission staffer do not It's
not good Heather. Listening to your guest speaker on superannuation,
it's very clear to see how we get things so
hopelessly wrong. Heather. As a financial planner, I'm more concerned
about what the lady from the Right Retirement Commission said.

(16:22):
She sounded incompetent, appears to have got basic facts wrong.
Eleven percent super and OZ is the minimum contribution and
you do actually get a pension and o's on top
of the super according to a text to headlines.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Next Hard Questions, Strong opinion, Heather Duperice Alan drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and used talk and
said Beeld.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Australia requires eleven percent of pay from employers, but their
age pension is income asset tested, unlike New Zealand Super
the lost country comparisons cross country comparisons are very difficult,
fairly unhelpful. Besides which total key we save our assets
is just four point five percent of total household wealth.
It's a fairly insignificant cog and that will Michael, thank
you make some very good points there. Murray Olds are
standing by to talk to us out of Australia and

(17:15):
Barry Sober in ten minutes time. And I've got very
very bad news on the gas front. If you're worried
about the electricity this winter, you should be worried. I'll
run you through those details shortly twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln has wrapped up his
latest trip to the Middle East. He's still hopeful that
the UN back Gaza ceasepire deal might go through, but
he says some of Hamas's proposed amendments just are not viable.

Speaker 12 (17:41):
Some of the changes.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I think we believe are workable, but some are not.
And so we'll have to see over the coming days
whether the gaps that are there whether they can be bridged.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Unemployment has unexpectedly decreased in Australia. It's fallen from four
point one to four In May, Sky News Business editor
Ross Greenwood says that even with high immigration, the number
of unemployed people has come down quite significantly.

Speaker 13 (18:08):
There are now one hundred and ten thousand fewer unemployed
people than what they were before the pandemic, so that
says everything about the strength of Australia's jobs market.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
More with Muzz. Shortly and finally, residents of a small
town in Canada have finally worked out who's been breaking
into their cars at night. It turns out it's a
black bear. Problem is the black bear has been breaking
into the cars because he wants to snack on their
upholstery foam. I know he's developed a taste for eating
their chairs. Kaylas Seward managed to solve the mystery when
the bear decided to have a nap inside her car

(18:40):
after he filled his tummy.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business Marie.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Old Dotty correspondents with us Now.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
Hey Muzz, Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
So is there a feeling in Australia that Jared Haynes
is going to have to do this fourth trial, well.

Speaker 14 (18:58):
It's unprecedented. And if it gets to the fourth trial
for the same alleged defense. Jeredhane, of course, the former
rugby league superstar and was convicted of sexually assaulting a
woman in Newcastle in twenty eighteen. The first matter went
to trial, the jury couldn't agree, was a hung jury,

(19:18):
so that was in twenty eighteen twenty. In twenty twenty,
I Big your pardon twenty twenty one goes to second trial.
They found him guilty, but then there was an appeal.
It succeeded on the basis that the presiding judge gave
the jury flawed information, flowed directions. So the DPP, the
Director of Public Prosecution, has decided let's go to a
third trial and again he was found guilty, but then

(19:42):
again after a year in jail, an appeal has succeeded
on the basis the presiding judge should have allowed the
female complainant, the woman who alleged that she was sexually assaulted,
the judge should have allowed her to be cross examined
about text messages that were either deleted or undisclosed. With
a fourth trial be held, it's over to the Director

(20:03):
of Public Prosecutions. But it might not get to that, Heather,
because Hayn is eligible for parole in May twenty twenty five,
and they say a new trial is unlikely to get
underway before then, So that may be the end of
the matter. We just don't know at this point.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
So he walked out of jail last night. Where'd he go?

Speaker 14 (20:20):
IM not sure where he went, but you know, he's
got lots of friends in the rugby league industry, and
you know he's got family and so on, so I'm
not sure where he went. Intest it may emerge in
the next next few days.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I'm sure you guys are great in the media at
stalking these people are like harrising. I'm keen on it.
I'm looking forward to it. Listen, what's happened with the
unemployment that had suddenly come down?

Speaker 15 (20:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Down?

Speaker 14 (20:43):
It's not a huge drop in you know, it was
down to four percent from four point one. The Bureau
of Stats said, there's interesting, forty thousand people found jobs
in May, plus the number of unemployed people actually dropped
by nine thousand. Now here's the thing. Economists are saying
the trend quote unquote, the trend unemployment rate that takes

(21:05):
out seasonal volatility and a few other factors actually picked
up slightly. It's now the highest that's been for over
two years. As we're easing out of COVID, those lockdowns
of COVID. Here's another interesting stat In May, nearly forty
two thousand people got full time jobs, but over the
last twelve months in Australia, seventy five percent of people

(21:25):
who have found work are actually getting part time jobs. Now,
what does all this mean for interest rates in the
context of maybe an early election this year. Will analysts
are saying it will maintain the likelihood of a cut
in official interest rates by the Central Bank before the
end of the year, and Anthony Albanezi may be factoring
that end.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Must listen what's going on with these two cops who've
been charged with assaulting the ninety two year old.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
Ninety two year old man. This happened back in late
January in southwest Sydney. A senior constable and a constable
have turned up in response to a call about an
alleged incident of domestic violence. They find a ninety two
year old man in the home. We're not one hundred
percent sure exactly what's happened. The police they were wearing
body cameras. But the old fellow, he's ended up in

(22:10):
hospital with a fractured elbow and major bruising to his
head and his arms. The two police that have in
charge with assault occasioning actual bodily harm. One's also been
charged with a separate count of common assault. And here's
the thing. The Police Commissioner Karen Webs come out this
afternoon and said, because both were wearing body cameras, there's
a pretty clear picture of exactly what's happened here. And

(22:34):
she says the you know, the big question now is
going to be was their excessive force used by the
two officers when they took this fellow with the custody.
He's ninety two years old. I mean, he could have
blame them over with a feather. So let's just wait
and see one police officer appearing at court in July,
the other in August.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Good to talk to you, Moss, Thank you has always
appreciated this Murray Old's Australia correspondent. So this is what
you need to know. On the guest front. It is
quite It is quite bad. Privately, behind the scenes, some
people in the industry are using the words crisis. The
loath to do that out Nobody wants to be the
one using that word, right, But I don't mind because
I haven't got any skin in this game. So I'm
happy to pass it on to you that this is

(23:13):
what they're saying. They're saying that gas is in a
crisis situation for the country. Now. Our gas supply is
still falling. According to data which just came out today.
It's the Energy quarterly data from the Ministry of Business,
Innovation and Employment for the first quarter of this year.
They say natural gas net production for the quarter was
thirty one point eighty nine peta jules. That's down twelve

(23:35):
percent on the year before. So even though last year
we weren't getting enough, we're now getting even twelve percent
less than that. This means it is the lowest quarterly
production since March nineteen eighty five. A planned outage at
Puhokuta gas field for maintenance and March has added to
the problem. It's going to get worse because now a

(23:56):
Capuny gas field is going offline for maintenance in April,
and the problem that we've got is that we needed
this gas because we've had a dry summer that had
less rainfall than we would expect. So we need the
gas to meet the demand for electricity because the hydraulacs
aren't working that well. Right now, we don't have the gas.
What are we doing as right She's burning Huntley's going
for it with fire and that coalon Compared to the

(24:16):
same quarter last year, there was a ninety nine percent
increase in coal for electricity generation. And what that means
for greenhouse gas emissions is a twenty one point five
percent increase compared to March last year. So when the
Greens and Megan Wood says say to you, we don't
need gas, just show them this. Yeah, we do need
gas because hello, twenty one point five percent increase in

(24:38):
greenhouse gas emissions. John Kid, who's an energy analyst, will
be with us twenty five to six. Barry Soapers next
sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Five Politics with centrics, Credit, check your customers and get payments, certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Barry Sopar Si your political correspondence with us. Hey, Barry,
good afternoon, Heather. When was the last time we made
such a big fuss of a visiting international leader. And
there's a lot of pomp and ceremony, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (24:59):
The was a lot of pomp and term You can
hear it in the background there. I ran a tape
over it and watched the ceremony and fortunately the rain
didn't come down, and Wellington, the wind was there was
on the front lawn of the government house. There was
a lot of moldy involvement and you know the last time,

(25:23):
Goodness only knows.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I haven't even given it the full rundown. There was
also a guard of honor for him to inspect and
a gun salute from Point Joerningham.

Speaker 16 (25:31):
But you would expect that, well not the gun salute
was a bit surprising, but you've got to remember his sons. Yeah,
this man is extraordinarily influential in the Chinese government. I
mean he's second in the ranks of the Communist Party
in China behind the Secretary General Secretary, who of course

(25:55):
as the president, Jijingping. He was here I remember back
in twenty fourteen and he had a similar sort of ceremony.
But for the current man, it makes him part of
the loyalist inner circle of the Chinese Communist Party. He's
also the head of government in China. So what this guy.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Says goes he's a big deal.

Speaker 16 (26:20):
Here's a big deal. There were protesters out of his hotel,
pro Chinese protesters, anti Chinese protesters. Apparently that quite a
bit volatile. We haven't had any of the so called
announcements that we're expecting from this visit. They'll, no doubt
come tomorrow. They will have been written a few weeks ago.

(26:41):
He'll go to dinner at Premierre House tonight. I hope
they've got rid of the rodents there and one person
who isn't there in terms of residing in it, as
Chris Luxen. He still resides down the road at his apartment,
not very far away.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
At all, but he will be at that dinner snight.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
Wony Oh.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Absolutely.

Speaker 16 (27:00):
You know, this country to New Zealand to forty billion
dollar two way trade been growing ever since that free
trade agreement was signed back in two thousand and eight.
I was up in Beijing for it. I was also
there with Jasin da Dern, who made less than twenty
four hour visit to China. I don't think the Chinese

(27:22):
would have been terribly impressed with that.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
How long is this reduction of the speed limits going
to take before they actually are reduced.

Speaker 16 (27:27):
Well they haven't said that, they said lifted, Yeah exactly,
they said that they'll essentially they're setting up a public
consultation and the documents gone out today. They'll be putting
in place the review and the timing of it. But

(27:48):
you know, as we know, during the last labor government,
speed signs went up all over the place. There was
no consultation at all. And I know that driving to
Corrimandel is they call it a ninety kilometer safe zone area.
Now that when you turn off the Auckland Motorway it

(28:08):
goes on for some considerable time and what wouldn't be
a high crash area because it's a pretty straight road.
Hopefully that sort of nonsense will be gone. Also the
speed limits that have been put in many cities around
New Zealand because people don't quite understand. Okay, it's safety,
but people don't quite understand. You slow down traffic, you

(28:31):
slow down the economy because you slow down deliveries of goods,
You slow down you ladies can't get place as fast. Everything,
you know, everything has slowed down, and that what was done,
and that's what was done. And David Seymour for one,
because he's part of that, he's the Regulation Review Minister.
He said the scatter gun restrictions based on nanny state ideology,

(28:55):
not infer not evidence, are totally depressing. So tackled that
one and they're going to do it full on.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, listen, what are the farmers farmer announcements?

Speaker 7 (29:05):
Well, i'll tell you what.

Speaker 16 (29:06):
The old farmers down at the Egg Day in Hamilton,
the National Agricultural meet there the day before yesterday they
were told they won't be facing greenhouse gases from next year.
Yesterday they were told that a Parliamentary select Committee would
be looking at the banking sector with particular reference on
the rural sector. Today they boosted rural support trusts to

(29:31):
assist struggling farmers. Now these are trusts that have been
set up around the country. If a farmers struggling, he
doesn't get money, but he gets good advice from these trusts.
So money is going and more money is going into that.
And finally today they announced a regulatory sector review to
basically remove the ridiculous red tape from agriculture and horticultural products.

(29:57):
Now some people say it might say, well what does
that mean, Well, it means that at the moment, we
don't have access to product that makes animals methane a
bit slower in terms of omitting it, rye grass.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
And developing meat investing technology exactly.

Speaker 16 (30:16):
Yea, so we don't have access to that. There's also
science out there that makes vegetable and plants grow faster.
We don't have access to that. We are a primary
producing country. And I think this red tape it's well
and truly beyond the time that it was reviewed.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, fair enough, Barry, Thank you. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent.
Eight away from five.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Digging into the issues that affect you, the my Cosking.

Speaker 16 (30:43):
Breakfast to the banking inquiries on the finance Minister Nikola
willis with us how much of this is a box
tech for New Zealand first versus you being invested in
what might be real issues.

Speaker 17 (30:52):
I'm very invested in this. We've had a Comments Commission
report that described the top tier of banks in Yeland
as being like an olive gottholy and it worries me.
So we owe it to ourselves to get to the
bottom of these issues.

Speaker 18 (31:02):
I want our economy to grow.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
This is critical.

Speaker 17 (31:04):
Change needs to happen, and change will happen in the
banking sector in New Zealand so that New Zealand is
a better served. And I know the banks are powerful,
but democracy is more powerful. And this inquiry is going
to get to the bottom of these issues.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar News Talk said thee right.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Here's a little bit more in that documentary about Chinese
interference in New Zealand that's just been dropped to coincide
with the arrival of the Chinese Premier, Jamie Lee Ross,
isn't it. Of course he is because he was the
guy who went around with his little bag collecting the
donations from for the National Party. And he talks about
how the man who donated the one hundred thousand dollars,
remember that was the he got into trouble for the
hundy k. He talks about how the man who donated

(31:44):
that money talked to national politicians.

Speaker 19 (31:47):
A strong theme of conversation at the dinner at Jiong
Yu Kun's house was we were disappointed as a Chinese
community that Young Jen was never made a minister and
the government.

Speaker 20 (32:01):
You know, we've supported your party for a long time.
We have helped you get volks, have helped you with
money paraphrasing. It was never this direct, but the general
theme over and you know, an hour or two conversation,
was we've done all this to help you. Why was
he never made a minister? We were disappointed by that.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
So what that's like farmers wanting a farmer to be
a minister. That's like the Greene Saintissinaway is one of
our Green Party people and not a minister. Like, so what,
that's just normal? Of course the Chinese want, of course
the Chinese community want a Chinese person to be a minister.
But what he's suggesting is Jian Yang was a spy.
That's what he's saying, isn't he anyway? Why don't we
just ask Andrew Little that when he's with us next,

(32:42):
he's going to be with us next. Nicko sent a
text through. Nick's been hounding Nick's been harassing me about
Tesla and elon Musk. Update here that Tesla's shareholders have spoken.
I'm sure the taxpayers of Delaware are overjoyed with that
judge who got it way out of erline and led
to the departure of one of the state's biggest businesses
onto it. Elamsks tweeted saying that the shareholders are going

(33:03):
to vote yes for his fifty six billion dollar pay
package and also to move out of Delaware. And somebody
who's close to all of this, because it hasn't been
officially revealed, but somebody close to this has confirmed to
Reuter's that yes, it does look like it's going to
be a yes. News is Next News took zeb.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather Dupless Alum Drive with One New Zealand Let's get
connected and news talk as zaid.

Speaker 21 (33:41):
Be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Chinese premiere Lee Chiung has arrived in the country to
pomp and ceremony, including a gun salute in Wellington. He's
met with the Prime Minister. He loved dinner with the
Prime Minister tonight. His visit has coincided with the release
of a new documentary about Chinese interference and espionage in
New Zealand, including suggestions former National MPs Young Young was
a Chinese spy. Andrew Little is a former minister responsible

(34:05):
for the GCSPN is with us. Now, hey, Andrew, was
that national MP a spy?

Speaker 22 (34:13):
Well, I can't comment on any of those sorts of
things that if has track record as well known, he
was associated with a PLA before he came to New Zealand.
He educated some of their senior officers and then he
came out here. But look, the reality is we know

(34:33):
that China and it's a relationship with this diaspora community
is a very often a very intense one. We're no
different to every other country where there is a significant
Chinese diaspora. The Communist Party, through its various machines and
organs and organizations, stays in close contact with a lot
of those people.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
If he was a spy, would you, as the Minister
for the spies, be told that he was a spy.

Speaker 22 (35:01):
The Minister gets told of operations that the agencies are doing.
Don't necessarily get told of individuals who might be the
subject of operations. But if there is a risk, for example,
to Parliament or to the beehive or something like that,
then the Minister would be advised of that.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
This documentary claims that China's foreign interference is corroding our democracy.

Speaker 23 (35:26):
Is it?

Speaker 22 (35:29):
If you think that the way China conducts. It's nothing
much as foreign relations. More it's a relationship with its
diaspora community. Were here, for example, in New Zealand a
very strong Chinese media, A lot of it is very
closely allied to and associated with media organizations in Beijing
and a date to the Chinese Communist Party, and that

(35:51):
is the Chinese media or New Zealand is the principal
source of information to a lot of the Chinese diaspora here,
often to the exclusion of local New Zealand media, So
it is very influential. And if the principal line coming
in that media is the line coming out of Beijing,
then that's going to have an impact on the way

(36:13):
people living here are going to think about and make
decisions about what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Stuff which is behind this documentary claims that the documentary
is going to ramp up tensions, Will it or is
this exactly the kind of thing that the Chinese actually expect.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
Us to do.

Speaker 22 (36:28):
I don't know what they expect. That The Chinese are
very get very brittle about criticism, whether not, of course attendance,
I don't know. I think the most important thing is
that we ought to have a good conversation not just
about China. There are other countries who engage in foreign interference,
including in New Zealand, and it's important that we go

(36:50):
into international relationship or foreign relationships with other countries with
our eyes wide open. And this is about making sure
that we're all.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Listen, Andrew, without naming names right set aside, they're into
influence on their own diaspora, and without naming names, are
the Chinese trying to interfere with our democracy at all?

Speaker 22 (37:10):
The Chinese. The way the Chinese conduct themselves in most
countries is to make sure that when governments of the
day are making decisions that bear upon Chinese interests, that
those decisions are the most favorable to or in the
best interests of time. That does happen.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Okay, Andrew, thank you, I appreciate your time. As always,
it's Andrew Little, former minister responsible for the SAS and
the GCSP.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Heather Duper.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Cler government has announced it's going to be reversing the
speed limit reductions that the last government put in place.
So speed limits around schools will be thirty k's in
urban areas, they'll be sixty k's in rural areas, they'll
be variable. New and existing roads of national significance could
have a speed limit of one hundred and ten k's
per hour if they've been built to high safety standards,
and one hundred and twenty k's per hour is an
option as well. Sam and Brown is the Transport minist

(37:57):
down with us now, Hey, Saman, good evening, would we
see one hundred and twenty k road?

Speaker 18 (38:03):
Well, this is a proposal to say, well, actually, when
we're building these new roads of national significance, should we
be building them to a standard of one hundred and
twenty Currently we've been building them to one hundred and ten.
But actually we were in Darst, New Zealanders, whether one
hundred and twenty would be an option that that consider
should for those roads to help improve the efficiency of
our transport network to help people get where they need

(38:25):
to go quickly and safely.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I mean, obviously we're going to say, yes, what do
you need to do to make it to make it
safe enough for one twenty ks?

Speaker 24 (38:32):
Well?

Speaker 18 (38:32):
Well, basically the rules around the safety would be the
width of the lanes, the barriers that would be put
in place, the amount of space on the booms. Those
are the type of things the agency takes into account.
We're also making it clear though that when a road
is built to that sort of standard, we actually expect
the speed limits to be in place from when the

(38:53):
road opens, not because of the bureaucratic way the current
rule works. It has to go through a very long
and arduous process to actually be checked to make sure
it is our viewers. If it's built to that standard,
it should be had that speed limit from the day
it's opened, not a couple of years later.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah. Cool. If we're frustrated by any of the speed
limits that have been imposed on us in the last government,
can we assume that they will automatically go back to
where they were.

Speaker 18 (39:18):
So what we're doing is we're basically having a reversal
in terms of all of those local roads, all of
those those arterial roads are all going to be reversed back.
All those state highways, they are going to be reversed
back to what they were. We will be making sure
that in terms of speed limits around schools though, where
there is drew pick up and drop off times, it

(39:39):
will be a slower speed limit.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Because actually variable though they.

Speaker 18 (39:43):
Have to be variable only, so it'll be a slower
speed limit between I think eight o'clock and nine to
thirty in the morning and between two thirty and four
in the afternoon, rather than being all around the clock,
which is how it's currently done at the moment we're
you're seeing thirty KI is proud being put in suburbs
across our cities. And you know, you try to fame

(40:05):
at ten o'clock at night and it's still thirty kilometers
prayer and by the way, no one's actually following those
rules and you know what you end up having and
I've witnessed it myself, was even and the buses are
going over thirty k's proud because they're trying to keep
up to their schedules. So the reality is we've got
to take a common sense approach to this rather than
a blanket approach just to simply slope people down, which

(40:25):
is how the last government is doing.

Speaker 24 (40:27):
Enough.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I mean, I can't even hide my excitement. Thank you
so much, Simmy and Brown Transport Minister for Ellen that
if honestly, how good is that. If you don't agree
that that's good, I gotta know why. Listen update on
the missing Marter Kupper Dad. So you will have heard
this morning that somebody may have spotted him at the
hot pools by t row and called the coppers, got
out there, called the coppers. It turns out it sounds

(40:47):
like the coppers did go round that night. I mean,
I mean, I don't want to be too critical, but
maybe like immediately might have been a good idea. But anyway,
they did go around that night. They went round to
the Okuroire Hot Springs Hotel, which is where you have
to buy the pass to be able to get into
the hot pools. Went there, spoke to the security, to

(41:09):
the receptionist, wanted to check the security camera footage. They
themselves did not check the security camera footage. It sounds
like they may have asked the staff to check the
security camera footage. I mean, I don't want to be critical,
but if you are trying to find the guy, maybe
you should be checking the security camera footage yourself. Right. Anyhow,
hopefully this will help a little bit. Quarter pass. We're

(41:30):
going to deal with the gas problem that appears to
be getting worse by the quarter and we'll be doing that.
And what I mean is by the quarter of the year, obviously,
I mean that's probably obviously you Anyway, I didn't need
to explain that deal with that in about seventeen minutes,
So I'm right now. It's eighteen past five. Other black
Caps T twenty World Cup campaign is basically over already
and they've only played two games. They've lost both of them.

(41:51):
The one they lost today was to the West Indies
by thirteen runs. Cricket commentator Brian Waddle is with us
now words, Hello.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
Hill, how did it go so wrong?

Speaker 24 (42:00):
They weren't prepared properly, they weren't match fit for the
first game, and they weren't able to pick it up
against one of the better sides. The West Indies playing
at home are difficult to play. They prayed pretty well
for the first eighteen over us. They had them in
trouble of one hundred and twelve for nine, but then
one player and thirty seven runs off two overs cost
them a chance to get when they got close, but

(42:25):
not close enough. Conditions were difficult and the West Indies
were too good for them.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Do you think that warm up games would have helped?

Speaker 24 (42:35):
Of course they would. They would have been able to
play as a team together in conditions that are unusual
in that part of the world. You expect the grounds
and the West Indies in the past, as they have
been the bounty and quick, but now they are of
a very slow nature. The bounce is low and you've

(42:55):
got to get used to that and also get some rhythm.
You can't have players who haven't played match cricket for
three months coming out to play some of the best
sides in the world. In New Zealand unfortunately had a
tough group the West Indies in Afghanistan first up, and
that was going to be their downfall, so at least
one game. The Australians had the same issue that they

(43:16):
made their team up with some of their support staff
so that they had on ground match play and there's
no substitucte for match.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Blow absolutely what was that? Was that arrogance on their paths?
What do you reckon?

Speaker 24 (43:31):
No, I don't believe it's arrogance. I think they were
trying to make as much as they could out of
a small space of time. But they've known for quite
some time the dates of this tournament. They have known
when they would have needed to play. They've had players
who were at the IPL so to, Australian so and
so to, but they still got there and were able

(43:51):
to play their warm up matches. New Zealand's planning, to
my mind, was well, we can do a good job
in the nets, we can practice and can conditions we
think they're going to be like. But in my mind
that doesn't take up match play. And so I suppose
you could. You could imagine it's a form of variance,
but I don't think New Zealand are like that when

(44:12):
it comes to these competitions. They've got a record that is,
you know, enviable they've had in past games or now
they're not going to make the last group. Well there
is a mathematical chance, but it stretches credibility to think
that Afghanistan won't win a game and New Zealand will
win and score you know, a net run rate to

(44:32):
suit them.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah too right. I mean, I'm just going to encourage
you to let it. Let go any faint hope you
may have as a cricket fan, Otherwise your heart's going
to get broken. Just let it be broken.

Speaker 25 (44:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It's Brian What, a longtime cricket commentator and hosts of
the Front Foot podcast five to twenty one. Let's deal
with Kevin Spacey next.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
use dogs.

Speaker 15 (44:56):
That'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I'm all for the speed increases, but I fiend up
in an accident, I'm not sure or an ambulance would
turn up. And that is true, but you can always
call a nuba and you can get there like that. Hither.
I live close to Mount Albert in Marristed schools and
the kids come out of the schools all times of
the day, so it's stupid to make the slow speed
at only certain times the day. John fair enough, but
it is quite a wide gap. Like I think it's
two hours either side or something like that. If the
kids are still coming out at half past five, what

(45:18):
the hell are they doing at school? Five twenty four now,
I watched the Kevin Spacey interview that Pierce Walgan's done,
and look, I'm really sorry to say this, but because
I don't think he deserves us, but I reckon his
career is over. I don't know that he can resuscitate it.
There's a campaign at the moment to try to try
to resuscitate and get him back into acting. He's got
a few very high profile friends who are publicly advocating

(45:39):
for him to be given another chance, as people like
Liam Neeson, Sharon Stone, Stephen Fry and so on. But
I think actually he's done more harm than good with
this interview because, basically, in a nutshell, in this interview,
he admits that he was a creep. I mean, just
he says he was too handsy. It was basically making
his way of making a move on someone. Now, a
normal human being would probably try, you know, I don't know,

(46:00):
asking someone out on a date or asking for their
phone number. But because he was a Hollywood actor and
he was a big deal, and he admits that he
was arrogant, he just went straight in there with his hands. Now,
that is the headline that people are going to see
in this interview, right, They're not going to see that
all of the allegations have been disproven against him. They're
just going to see, I was too handsy. That's what
they're going to take away from it. And as for

(46:21):
the allegations, he has been cleared in all of the courts.
I mean, I think he's got one civil court case outstanding,
but it's a civil case being brought by a guy
who's already brought a criminal case and that was unproven,
so I don't know how this guy's going to go
in the civil case. So at the stage, basically Kevin
Spacey's had nothing proven against him, but don't Unfortunately, I
don't think that's going to be enough. And I don't

(46:42):
want you to get me wrong and think that I'm
cheering for the end of Kevin Spacey's career because I'm
he's a brilliant actor and I would like him to
be given another chance just for the quality of what
we watch, but also because I think he deserves another chance.
I mean, I don't think that being a creep warrants
being canceled like he has. He's lost everything, he's lost friends,
he hasn't heard from. What's the name who played Robin
his wife in the House of Carts or her name

(47:04):
is Robin. I don't really know any but I don't
want to know who she is now because she's obviously evil.
His beautiful home in Baltimore is going to go under
the hammer today in the States because he can't pay
his bills. He owes millions to lawyers for the court cases.
He says he's flat broke. He doesn't even have any
way of making money now because he's been canceled by Hollywood.
No one wants to hire him, and he was even
scrubbed out by Ridley Scott in a movie that he'd

(47:24):
finished shooting. They've got someone else and to play the
character and replace him. If there's one thing that we've
learned from Me Too and the cancel culture that came
with it, it's that the mob mentality in this world
is unforgiving. And even if he's done legally nothing wrong,
being a creep I think will probably be enough to
keep him canceled.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Unfortunately, ever, do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I don't know if you've been following the drama in
Wellington over the sale of the airport shares and the council,
but it has got you. See let me tell you
about this, Okay. So basically, the reason I'm loving this
situation is because it's split the left voting block. So
the labor guys and the Green guys have formed this
cabbal on Wellington Council and they just pushed through all

(48:09):
of these stupid ideas one after the other. There's nothing
you can do because there's enough of them to just
keep pushing through the stupid ideas. But now three of
the counselors, Niko we Neerer, he's a greenie, and then
two labor guys, Noureddin Abdurahman and Ben McNulty. The three
of them are so upset about the council voting recently

(48:30):
to sell the airport shares that they are now saying
they're no longer going to commit to voting in cohoots
with the mayor and doing what she wants to do.
And the reason that's across with the mayor is because
the mayor had previously said she would not sell the
airport shares, but and a whole bunch of other green
councils as well. But now it's changed her mind, hasn't
she And these three ain't got no respect for that
kind of flip flopping. So they're breaking away. And that's

(48:51):
a big problem for her because it's only because they've
all been voting together as a green red block that
they've been able to do all the crazy stuff like
housing density and ruining the inner city roads and stuff
like that. Without these three, Tory can't count on them
doing what she wants them to do. She just she's
gonna have to negotiate and water things down. How good
is this? Finally some good news from Wellington City Council.

(49:13):
We'll deal with the gas shortage decks.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duple c
Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's get connected and
news talk as that'd be Donald.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
On me out the double shadow whiskey. They nummist. There's
a party.

Speaker 14 (49:35):
Downtown near fire Stream.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Everybody had budet.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Heye guns mouse. It's gonna develop a voluntary gender pay
reporting thing. Thank god it's a voluntary, and opt me
out of that anyway. The Minister for Women is gonna
be with us after six o'clock, talk us through that.
The Huddles standing by, got Mark Sainsbury this evening with
Richard Hill's. I think Mark Sainsbury's a huddle virgin, so
we're gonna pop that cherry in just a tick. Whether
the men need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.

(50:02):
I'm seventy. Older men want to touch younger women. They
believe their touch is warranted. It's not. It never has been, Judy,
thank you for that. A little bit of news on
the I don't know if you've been following this, but
this has been fascinating to me. There's a US transgender
swimmer called Leah Thomas. Now Leah has become kind of
like the poster girl for transgender athletes. She has just

(50:22):
lost any chance of competing in the Paris Olympics next month.
She took a legal case she was banned from. First
of all, she's banned by World Aquatics from swimming in
the female category. So she tried to overturn that. Took
a legal case against World Aquatics at the Court of
Arbitration for Sport in the hopes of trying to get
to the Paris Olympics. She's just lost. The court concluded
that Thomas was simply not entitled to engage with eligibility

(50:44):
to compete in World Aquatics competitions as someone who was
no longer a member of US Swimming. Twenty three away
from six.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Heather duper Cela.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
New Zealand's energy troubles are getting worse. Gas supply dropped
twelve percent in the March quarter. That's twelve percent down
compared to the same time last year. This is the
lowest quarterly net production since nineteen eighty five. Now, gas
was down because of the decrease in overall production, but
also a planned outage in the Poor Hookurta gas field,
and this has led to a staggering ninety nine percent
rise in coal being burnt for electricity. Also, greenhouse gas

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emissions are up twenty one point five percent. John Kidd
is the director and head of research at Analytica and
with us. Now, hey, John, even here are we in trouble.

Speaker 23 (51:26):
We're in the stress system. We have a structurally short
of energy full stop. So it's often lost on people
that we don't have enough energy in the country to
be able to support our demands, so we do lie
on international markets. Anyway, think about the card of your drive.
There's nothing in the fuel tentk of that car. Those
of us drive petrol engines, which is it's made domestically.

(51:48):
So we import energy and when we're short, as we
are increasingly short more broadly, then we need to import
more energy to keep ourselves feed from day to day.
So now your question is how are we in trouble? Well,
you know, we're becoming sure of indigenous energy and therefore
we're having to rely on international energy more and.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
The international energy, obviously is coal that we're pumping into hunt.

Speaker 23 (52:08):
They right, that's right, yeah, And that's a function of
a few things as well. So you've got you do
have lower gas coming into the system, and gas is
a preferable fuel of coal. Of course, coal is the
fuel of last result if you like, for the elytricity sector,
but you've got other factors in there as well. We
had two very wet years last year and the year before,
and that's often lost on people too, So we had
a lot of hydro on the system. We had a

(52:29):
lot of higher ranking pupil in the system, and we
don't have it this year. We're well blown average for
this time of the year the hydro and the last
two years also we had very soft heart and we're
now starting to see real demand growth coming through in electricity.
So if you put all that together, we need more
of this stuff to come out of the wires at
the end of the day. And if we don't have
gas to come into the system, we don't have hydro,

(52:51):
then we need to look to something else. And unfortunately
that's so John.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
If we're down on the hydra lakes at the moment
and we're dropping in the gas, does that mean And
there's a thank you so much that Huntley can burn.
Does that mean that we're going to have power outages
this winter?

Speaker 23 (53:05):
That's been a risk for a while. We've been concerned
about that for some time. You know, there's it does
boil down to the peak. So when we are in
the coldest period of winter, sojer this home of night
and into the evening, and we don't have much wind
coming through the system, obviously soul is not a factor,
then we need to call on what is available to us.
And we've already been told by the system operator transfer

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And it's a general concern across the sector that this winter,
during those periods of what we call dunkle flout, which
is you know, the doldrums where we don't have that
wind and there is no sun and we're constrained with
other afields coming into the system, then there is the
risk that we will not have enough juice to be
able to meet thought about okay.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
How far how long before we call this a crisis.

Speaker 23 (53:48):
Crisis just isn't a word that really enters the sector's head,
to be frank, you know, it's a matter of just
making things work. There will be many things that can
be done along the way to help manage the situation,
and you know seeing us in the gas sector as well.
What's often lost in all the noise of this is
that we're seeing some pretty dramatic side responses here. So
methodex is our biggest energy user nominally by far, they're

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well down on that consumption now and it's the worst
kind of an outside response. I's a massive export, a
billion or exporter out of Taranaki who can't run at
for capacity because they don't have the fuel available to them.
So you know what I'm trying to say is the
system will adjust. Unfortunately it's not a cost of sex
size and demand will generally come off to help meat
supply as well as supply meeting demand.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Well here's hoping, John, Thank you so much, really appreciated.
John Kid, director and head of research at Analytic at.
Just to remind you why demand will come off is
because we're asking some of our big project our big
manufacturers to stop their work when we need them to.
That should not be happening in a first world country.
Nineteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
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Speaker 3 (54:56):
I'm huddled with me. This evening we have Richard Hill's
Auckland counselor and Mark Sainsbury Men's Health Week Director. Hello
you too, sain Zo. How do you feel about this
your first time? Do you have trepidation or just like
taking it?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
At my story?

Speaker 18 (55:10):
Neither. I had to take a sedative before I came on,
and I was just getting so excited.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I like the fact that you've come in all hot
and just given us a hard time. I appreciate it.

Speaker 21 (55:20):
She's way nicer than she pretend she is.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
This is what Richard has to do. He has to
go around all his lefty friends saying she's not actually
that bad. She's really nice.

Speaker 21 (55:27):
She tells me that she pays me to do that.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Yeah, and they still don't believe it.

Speaker 23 (55:31):
Ridgid.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
The speed limit reversals, how good.

Speaker 21 (55:34):
I think it's a bit weird that they are all
about localism, telling you know, local councils that can do
everything three waters, and then they're going to make us
spend tons of money to reverse all these changes right across.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You shouldn't have done it in the first place, but
you spent money in the first place.

Speaker 21 (55:49):
Yeah, I know, but most of it was the requests
I get from my community from school, some of them
are angry that we haven't put it in. You've got
town centers, all of it has been consulted on. I
don't know what they keep talking about. These blanket restrictions,
they'll blanket possibilities. They were actually brought in by a
national before Labor Craig Foss and others led a program
around safe for communities because we will have we're twenty

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ninth out of thirty three OECD countries for deaths and
serious injuries.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
So from what I saw, it sounded to me like
it has to reverse unless the locals want it right.
So there's still the opportunity for localism.

Speaker 21 (56:20):
Right, so we'll have to know. Well, what I read
from today is that we've got to reverse them all,
then consult again. We've already consulted like schools, everyone, local
town centers around Devenport, everyone. You know, the submissions were
in favor of those things, so it's kind of weird
that we have to remove them all. I don't know
how much is going to cost to do that. And
then consulting says.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Are you ever being consulted on a speed limit?

Speaker 1 (56:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
No, me neither. It's weird that Richard is getting all
this consultation. Are you into the reversal?

Speaker 18 (56:50):
Well, look, I mean, you know, I like driving. I
think some of the roads if if they could have
a high speed limit. I mean, like those big the
new big huge motorways. So why can expressway and things
like that. I've got no problem with the highest speed
limit on that. Our biggest problem here is we've just
got to improve our driving. You we're going to have
highest speed limits. That's the biggest problem on the New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Are you of the view saying so that we are
not good drivers in this country?

Speaker 18 (57:16):
Look, we all think suffer a bit of the problem
that we think we're reading good drivers. I'm guilty about
myself and then you sort of catch yourself out doing
something stupid, you know, and and you change, I think
as you get older. But there's that lot of aggression
on the road, you know, and that sort of And
I remember talking to a psychiatrist about it once on
a radio.

Speaker 23 (57:34):
Show I had, and he said, when you get into.

Speaker 18 (57:36):
A car, it's like your own little space, you know.
And it's the same as you know, people do weird
things inside their cars, you know, you know, you drive
past and someone's picking their nose.

Speaker 22 (57:48):
Why because they're oblivious reading outside?

Speaker 24 (57:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah too?

Speaker 10 (57:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Do you do these things?

Speaker 18 (57:56):
Richard know?

Speaker 21 (57:57):
I'm mostly on the bus so I can read my
emails and do a tweet.

Speaker 8 (58:01):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
I do.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
The thing says are where I sing in the car?
I think that nobody's going to see the psycho singing
over there to do that.

Speaker 21 (58:08):
Then you look and there's a bus of ninety people
looking down there.

Speaker 7 (58:10):
I haven't looked at you.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
All right, we'll take a break with you guys. Come
back very shortly. It's sixteen away from six. Right, you're
back with the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Richard Hill's Mark.
There is some analysis OWT today. It shows the huge
difference between what some people in local government get paid
in others like Auckland's mayor gets about three hundred thousand,
but then counselors in Stratford get twenty three thousand dollars.
What do you think is the right level? Like should

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councilors be paid less or more?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
What?

Speaker 18 (58:37):
Less than less than the maya?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Low the lower end?

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Like should we be looking at paying counselors around about
twenty three thousand dollars. You're making it a job for
people who are competent but don't need it for the money,
or should we be lifting it and then tracting better people.

Speaker 18 (58:50):
In well you see, I mean this is a good thing,
Richard Syre, because you look at Stretford, you're getting twenty
three thousand. Now a council in Auckland is getting paid
more more than four times that. So are they doing
four times for work or four times small responsibility? Of
course it just as Stratford count afford to pay the Stratford.

Speaker 21 (59:08):
I worked out if it was based on population, I'd
be paid four and a half million dollars a year
because Stratford has we have more staff members than Stratford
has their nine thousand pop.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I mean you would be doing more work than a
counselor in Stratford, right, yeah, So it's definitely.

Speaker 21 (59:22):
In place, full time, nighttime, weekend job like And you know,
I think most people don't realize and this is not
defending counselors because everyone hates counsel anyway, but you know,
we have three times the population of an MP does
in our ward. So I'm dealing with request constantly and
we don't have like an office like an MP does
of people that just I don't know, do our comms

(59:42):
and stuff for us. So I think it has to
be based on effort. I know there's some counselors that
do not put in the effort, but it is a
name name Richard name names I will not but it
is a significant role and in some areas maybe you
do need to look at That's why amalgamation I think
is a good thing, because you have, you know, people
working full time instead of just like a oh go

(01:00:03):
on the Wednesday meeting and you're not really thinking about
the council at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:00:07):
Is it expected to be a full time job?

Speaker 21 (01:00:10):
Yes, we're paid over one hundred thousand dollars. I am
assuming most people would expect us to be full time
and I definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
What about in Wellington? Saying so, is that expected to
be a full time job for your counselors?

Speaker 18 (01:00:21):
And I think it is because I'm so surprised the
MIA and Wellington on he gets one hundred and eighty
three thousand, We've got a two hundred do down here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
No, I don't think No, I don't think you do,
saying so, we'll have a little chat about what Toy
has been up to. Hey, sain, So do you reckon
Kevin Spacey post the Pierce Morgan interview?

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
Will ever be back?

Speaker 18 (01:00:42):
It's funny. I don't know where this climate's said. It
was interesting watching him and he was talking about things,
you know, like it wasn't you know he was offend
of the tomb broke. I was engrossing people, I was
caressing them and all the sort of And look, we've
all worked in offices. We've seen people who have behaved
appallingly doing and it just sort of got waved away.
But he's he's been out there, it's in public. It's

(01:01:07):
can you possibly come back? I just think it'd be
so hard, right, Yeah, I think he should.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Yeah, as my boss said to me today, Richard, I
think he should too. Right, he hasn't done anything that's
been proven to be wrong. But as my boss sat today,
but who's going to put money behind this guy? Who's
going to be like, I'm spending millions and millions and
millions of dollars on a film and you're the guy
that's going to star in it.

Speaker 21 (01:01:26):
Well, that's the thing that the public will be. The
public they're going to put their dollar where they want to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
I don't watch him, would you?

Speaker 21 (01:01:34):
I'm not sure I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I did watch House of Cards and didn't you think
he was awesome?

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
Well, I don't know that.

Speaker 21 (01:01:40):
I didn't watch the interview, but having an interview with
Piers Morgan is probably a bit of a red flag
at this point of time, do you think so?

Speaker 24 (01:01:47):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:01:47):
I think Piers Morgan tries to be the kind of
anti everything guy at the moment, doesn't he try and
rack everyone up? So I didn't watch the interview. It
will be up to the people, like they're always going
to put in my and they you know, you see
all sorts of celebrities go up and down in their careers,
and that's largely because, as you say, they'd.

Speaker 7 (01:02:06):
Go and pull the community and go.

Speaker 21 (01:02:08):
Would you watch a movie with X person in it
and they disappear or they might come back?

Speaker 22 (01:02:12):
So right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
So is are you a little worried about the gas
situation and what's going to happen with the power this winter?

Speaker 18 (01:02:17):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean this whole you know, I keep
trying to get my head around the whole gas situation.
I've knowing people have been in the sort of the
gas industry. And I remember at the times when you know,
when they're cutting back on exploration and that that whole
argument of you know, why we're burning filthy stuff from
Indonesia when we should be even you know, it's more

(01:02:39):
ecologically sound to sort of harvest it from here. So
but that whole I mean, that's listening to listening to
that guy he was It was actually quite frightening, wasn't it.
But if you're talking about major industries can't actually churn
out what they need to to keep the country going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I agree, I reckon that is the word that
I that I think sums it up. I'm a little
bit scared of where this is going, Richard, aren't you.

Speaker 21 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I think we do need to look at what
the whole world is going is dropping off coal, so
us you're we're not going to Well, we only have
popped up in twenty twenty two, and the using figures
this year from a quarter last year was our lowest
in thirty years. So I think people are trying to
use a bit of shock taxics by saying this is
one hundred percent worse than last year. Well, if last

(01:03:23):
year was our lowest since I was off an then
let's not go over the top. But we do need
to look at that time. How do we be resilient
in this time when we are decarbonizing. You look at
all the businesses Fonterra are you know, changing all their
coal boilers to electric and schools are doing that. But
you don't want to flip it that you're electrifying everything
and then having to use coal. That's right, but I

(01:03:44):
think there is that we just need a bit of
sense in there. But I honestly believe if all the
parties around Parliament could work together instead of this back
and forth all the time, because I think if you
have a series of facts, then you don't upset these
communities and people can feel like you're.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Agreeing how you're going to do it and work towards it.
Year I've had a text saying exactly the same thing.
I think you bang on guys, it's so good to
talk to you. Thank you. Mark Sainsbury for Men's Health
Week and Richard Hill's Auckland councilor seven Away from six
What the Huddle.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
The problem with the gas shortage is that it chases
up the price of electricity and impacts the manufacturing industry.
Most the cost of power is set by the generator
that is the most expensive, so on peak periods, costs
this year have peaked at three thousand dollars per Mega
what hour three years ago. Get a load of this.
Three thousand dollars per Mega what hour? Three years ago

(01:04:51):
we paid fifty five dollars per Mega what hour. Now
on an average consistently above two twenty per Mega what hour.
Just our industry this year cost thirty five million more
than we had planned. And this will be the end
to the New Zealand manufacturing sector. And it's really unfortunate.
I hope that doesn't happen, but unfortunately it sounds very
much like it may do. Heather. Kevin Spacey, here's some

(01:05:13):
hope for him for a redemption story. David Reckons in
five years is going to get a minor supporting role.
People will marvel at how good he is because he is,
and then it will spiral to main roles. And as
David says, Hollywood loves a redemption story. He's hoping the
UK nurse Lucy Letby, who murdered those seven babies, is
back before the courts for another allegation of murdering another baby.

(01:05:33):
This one they're doing again because the jury in the
first trial couldn't decide on this particular baby. The court's
been and listen, this is interesting because there was that
New York Post article, very very big article, really questioning
whether she had actually done anything at all, or whether
the UK had The jury in fact, had kind of
got caught up in this mania around the possibility that

(01:05:53):
she may have done it. The court's been told she
was caught virtually red handed dislodging the newborn babies breathing
tube only two hours after the baby was born. Baby
was born very premature or something like fifteen weeks, and
the allegation is she's in the room with the baby,
she dislodges the breathing tube. In comes a doctor sees
the nurses just standing there above the baby doing nothing.
The baby's blood oxygen levels of collapse, the alarms should

(01:06:15):
be going off to tell the staff there's a problem,
but this time they haven't and they reckon the reason
the alarms didn't go off because somebody had turned them off.
The court was told the baby then collapsed twice in
the following hours, both of the times. This nurse was present.
On both occasions. The prosecutor said that the breathing tube
had been displaced. Baby can't have done it itself because
it was too premature and it was heavily sedated on morphine.

(01:06:37):
Indo Brady, our UK correspondent, will talk us through it
later in the show. Next up, let's talk about the
voluntary gender pay reporting newstooks had.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Been what's down?

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
What were the major calls and how will it affect
the economy of the big business questions on the Business
Hour with hither duplicy Ellen into my hr on NEWSTALKSV.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Even coming up in the next hour, Sam Dickey's going
to talk us through Apple's big AI play and whether
investors are buying It's Jamie mckaye with the latest from
Field Days, and then Liam dan on the possibility that
Fitch might actually downgrade us in the ratings. Right now
it's seven past six now the governments announced it's planning
to bring involuntary reporting of companies gender pay gaps. The
gender pay gap is currently eight point six percent in

(01:07:26):
the Ministry for Women will work on a way to
help businesses calculate their pay gaps. Louise Upston is the
acting Minister for Women and with us Now, hey Louise, Hey,
you doing Heather very well?

Speaker 8 (01:07:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
So what orders is this going to be? Is it
going to be public reporting of the pay gap or
is it just going to be reporting it privately to
the Ministry for Women.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
No, So this is basically developing a tool that means
business are able to calculate their own gender pay gap.
What we know is that the first to understand what
the gap is and then each business can develop a
plan or how to reduce it. So the first part
is making sure that there's a consistent fool that businesses

(01:08:06):
can use.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Right and so when when that tool is developed, will
it be publicly reported or just reported privately to the
government agency.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Well, it won't be reported to the government agency. It's
for businesses to use themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Oh, I see, partly reported themselves if they.

Speaker 6 (01:08:22):
Want to, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
So we do know for champions to change organizations. They
are already participating in a process where they are looking
at their gender pay gap. Some businesses are reporting it publicly.
What we want the focus to be on is businesses
have a tool that is consistent and simple to use

(01:08:45):
where they can measure their own gender pay gap and
then they can develop a plan to reduce the gap
in their workforce. We think this is a really important
first step. So businesses can take those steps and we
can see the gender pay gap reduce.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Do these tools already exist?

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
Some of them do what we do know we've learned
from the example in Australia it can be incredibly complicated,
and what we do want to do is make sure
it's as easy as possible for businesses to measure under
pay gap.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Which is wise.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
I mean, we're not the first people in the world
to be doing this, right, this is done all over
the world. It's already being done by some businesses in
New Zealand. So why don't we just use the tool
they've already got.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Well, there's some level of concern around the tool that's
being use, so we want to make sure we've got
a simple one that is effective. What we don't want
to do is have a very expensive regulatory system like
they have in Australia. The costs about ten billion dollars.
They have a separate regulator and every business over a
particular size has to report. We want a practical tool

(01:09:54):
that we're developing with business that other businesses will then
pick up a use.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
So it's not as simple as saying you've got one
hundred and twenty women and on average they get paid X,
and you've got one hundred and twenty men in the
business on an average they get paid a bigger X.
It doesn't work like that. You don't just add them
together and divide it by the number.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
No, because if you think about part time employment and
you think about bonuses, you think about are we calculating mean,
average or median? So it is about but what we
do want to make sure we're doing is being able
to calculate it consistently and have a tool that businesses

(01:10:36):
can be confident about. And also you are if you
are a potential employee looking at going to work for
an organization and they publish their gender pay gap, you
want to have confidence that that information is accurate.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Louise, I'll tell you what my problem with the gender
pay gap is you could tell me how we fix
the situation. Okay, let's look at the business that I
work for. The two highest earners in this business I
would take a punt, would be the CEO and Mike
Hosking bloke. Now, that would skew things like that's going
to skew things massively in the male favor. But it's not.
That doesn't that's not unfair because Mike Hosking is in

(01:11:12):
that position regardless of whether he's a bloke, because he
is just the best at that job, and the CEO
just happens to be a bloke, could be a lady,
but this time it's a bloke. So how do you
get around that where you've got some very prominent high
owners who will skew things and make it look like
there's a gender cave pay gap when perhaps if you
come down a level, there's no gender pay gap.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
So what some sectors are doing that is much further
down this track than others is they are able to
look at their data and assess what's the gender pay
gap in the senior leadership team, what's the gender pay
gap at the operational level of the business, what is
the gender pay gap in Auckland. So they are able

(01:11:53):
to analyze their data in a range of different ways
that can lead to meaningful action that they then take
to reduce the gender pay gap. Soaking in consideration, Yeah,
some of those things, absolutely, and it's got to be
meaningful and it's got to lead to options a business
can take to lead to change that reduces the gender

(01:12:15):
pay gap, because that's the end goal here. We want
to reduce the gender pay gap.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
Luis, thank you so much. Appreciated that this is Louise
upstin acting Minister for Women. I'll tell you what, it's
a good thing that they're not going through with it
making it compulsory, right, because that is just red tape
all over the shop when David Ceen was doing such
an admirable job at the moment of cutting the old
red tape speaking of cussing. Looks like we might be
in trouble with our rating from Fitch. If you listen

(01:12:40):
to the guy who is the Sovereign's director for Asia
Pacific who's given an interview to Business Deest today, we're
in line for a downgrade if we don't get a
downgrade this year. It sounds like it's a line call.
They're worried about They've had a look at the budget
and they do not like what they see. They're worried
about the debt, they're worried about the deficits. They're worried
about about China not growing particularly well. Liam Dan's going
to talk us through that shortly. Also Ender Brady, when

(01:13:02):
he's with us, I want to talk to him. I
want to talk to him about the UK election, because
every single day that this campaign goes on, I am
just increasingly convinced that whoever they end up with is
going to be Kiir Starmer. It's just a crappy choice.
The pack of it's a pack of losers running for
the prime minister over there. So what they're doing at
the moment between Sir Kiir Starmer and Rishi I'm a

(01:13:25):
billionaire sunak As, they're having a little competition to see
who's more normal, Like, who's more normal and exactly like
the working man. And so Rishi was trying very desperately
to sound like he actually just had a normal upbringing.
And so he said, oh, you know I had to
go without when I was young, Yeah, I had to
have some sacrifices. So I could go to my private
boarding school. Had to have sacrifices. They're like, oh, yeah,

(01:13:45):
what did you go without? He's like, oh yeah, no sacrifice.
Yeah what did you go without? Sky TV? Well, okay,
that's going without. But it's not like you had to
go without shoes or the heata, you know, like you
can live that sky TV. Mate, you should be outside
running anyway. You're a kid. Anyway, Kirstarmer could not possibly

(01:14:06):
let Rashid get away with that. So Kia was like me, neither.
I also did not have Sky when I was young.
I also went without. Well, Andrew Neil launched sky TV
in the UK and called kir Starmer out and he
was like, yeah, you didn't have sky when you were young,
because I launched sky when you were twenty seven years old.
Pack of losers and just thank God every day that

(01:14:28):
they are not running for the politicians, the prime minister,
you know what I mean, like look around and go well,
I mean it's Chloe, but at least it's not Kia.
Ender Brady on that later on quarter.

Speaker 15 (01:14:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Auckland, Heather Duplicy Ellen Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
This is ridiculous. We do not need a tool for
the gender pay gap. There is something called excel. We
have ninety seven staff and our HR does this simply
on EXCEL. I mean, let's be honest about it, right.
What this is is procrastinating, isn't it. It's I mean,
what National is doing is they're going, hey, look, we're
doing something about the gen the pay gap while doing

(01:16:01):
absolutely nothing by buying time, which isn't great because what
they're doing is they're wasting the time of the people
at the Ministry of Women. And if the people at
the Ministry of Women have the time to dawdle like this,
fire the lot of them, Fire a lot of them,
and stop the virtue signaling. That's what's going on. Nineteen
past six, the Fitch Ratings Agency is mulling over the
state of New Zealand's economy, like I told you, potentially
thinking about a ratings downgrade. Liam dan is The Herald's

(01:16:23):
Business editor at large and with us Now, hey, Liam, hey,
what do you reckon odds on for a downgrade or
not odds.

Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Or probably it's a great yarn from Deleeper Fonseca at
a business desk and he's talked to the guy at
Fitch and yes, they are, they are a bit concerned
when they do their analysis because you know, everything's got
a bit worse and they're worried that the debt's going
to be higher and we're going to be in depers
for longer. So you know, it does put a bit
of pressure on the argument for those tax caps given

(01:16:54):
the conditions we're in. Sort of but looking through it,
he's kind of saying, well, you know, they don't give
anything away about the stuff, but that it puts us
on the wrong side of the of the median for
double A rating, so that that's not necessarily you know,
being bad enough to be downgraded. You know, we're doing

(01:17:16):
a lot of reading between the lines. That is a
bit of a warning and it's you know, look at
those ratings are one of the few things that have
got people had people like me going, well, the things
aren't so bad. You know, we've still got our double
A plus rating actually, so we're the second best rating
you can get for credit around the world. We're not

(01:17:37):
quite triple A like Australia, but we're you know, we're
sitting next to some other nations like the US and Taiwan,
and it's not a bad place to be and of
course if the rating gets worse, then we have to
pay more for our foreign borrowing and that would potentially
put our interest rates up.

Speaker 16 (01:17:54):
So, say, what.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Worried me in this lamb was the fact that they
think the good times are behind us, Like the last
ten years were great, the next ten years not so
great unless we can find a way to make heaps
more money out of other places, not just China.

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
Right, Yeah, that was that was That was a worrying
But I mean, you can sort of talk about the
cycle we're in and the you know, when we get
out of deficit nightps of stuff. But there was some
serious discussion there about the fact that the drivers of
the good times I guess China and tourism boom and
dairy boom are sort of petering out, you know, and

(01:18:28):
that we need to find something else to charge our economy.
And you know, look, Chrystal Luxen and co. Have talked
about this, and they know that they've got to get
something going with a bit more foreign direct investment and
technology and all those good things. But it's you know,
one thing to talk about. It's nothing to get it going.
I suppose China, we might you know, might rebalance our

(01:18:53):
relationship there and get something out of us latest.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
But yeah, who knows, fingers crossed. I'll take anything, Liam,
Thank you, Liam Dan, the Herald's Business editor at large. Heather,
We're lucky we still have Huntley. The Key government had
a quote to decommission the power plant when they held
power regards SR. Who's the owner of Cold Distributors Auckland Cheese.
We dodged a bullet with that. I imagine if we
didn't have it now, I'd be lights off right now.
It would be hither I live? This is yes, this

(01:19:18):
is apropos what Richard Hill's was saying about the speed
limits with Richard Hills, the Auckland councilor was in here
not half an hour ago, going now there's the people
of Devenport wanted us to drop the speed limits. And
I was like, really, who do you know who's ever
said I want a speed limit drop? Heather, I live
in Devenport. We didn't really get a choice. Richard and
his mace forced it on us. Thank you. Six twenty two, a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Rural report on the Heather Duper see Elm Drive with
An'sko Foods New Zealand's Finest beef and lamb. Sam.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Dicky's with us in about fifteen minutes time. He's going
to talk us through Apple's AI play. I don't know
if investors are buying it, but he'll be the guy.
He'll know about that. Six twenty five and Jamie Mackay
hosts of the Countries with us now. Jamie, Hello, good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Day, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
How a Field Days?

Speaker 24 (01:20:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:20:02):
Pretty good? Actually we're through two of four days, although
Saturday is sort of more of a towny's day than
a farmer's day. And the weather's been fantastic. It's a
very dry underfoot, but I think that might all change
tomorrow morning. We're looking for some fairly heavy rain early
on in the day, so we'll see how we get on.
But to be honest, Heather, at Field Days, the only

(01:20:24):
place you get mud on your boots is in the
car park. It's so well paid, so once you're in there,
you're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
And how is the mood? I mean, are people feeling okay?

Speaker 24 (01:20:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:20:35):
Yeah, Look, I mean we're broadcasting from the brand site
and they sell John there tractors obviously big ticket items.
They also took away the Supreme Award for the Largest
or for the large site. So they've done really well.
I mean your loader sit up heather with lots of
green tractors and yellow diggers and farmers are going to

(01:20:56):
go along and have a play and a bit of
a kick. But I mean that the catering that they're doing,
it's magnificent. But I think to be fair, large ticket
items are a bit of a tough one for farmers
at the moment. There's just not much money around. Not
many farmers are making money, but I see lots of
people buying Swan drys and red bands and all that

(01:21:17):
sort of stuff. The food places seem to be going
really well. I don't know the crowd numbers for field
days have decided in recent years not to put out
the daily numbers. They used to give them out, but
they don't anymore. But certainly I think they would be
judging by the traffic anyhow to get in there, they
would be pretty pleased with the turnout for the first
couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, good stuff. This is the Casterbury amp Show. Does
it sound too like it's going to work in the
form it's coming back in?

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Ah?

Speaker 25 (01:21:42):
Yeah, well it's sort of they're describing is it being
in a slimmed down fashion after a deal was struck
with a private company. So this is part of I mean,
this is the biggest Amp show, or it was the
biggest Amp show in the country by quite a way.
And of course they've run out of money they had
to cancel. Now they're looking at running it Thursday through Saturday,

(01:22:06):
remembering Friday's a public holiday in christ Church instead of
the traditional Wednesday through Friday. There's going to be less things,
but they're going to keep a lot of those Amp
show type things going. I'm so pleased I've kept it
going because if you shut these things down, they get
very hard to start up again. So you know, it's
very much part of Canterbury society or no one if

(01:22:28):
you're not at cup and Show week Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
Jamie, enjoy yourself a field days. Appreciate it, Jamie McKay,
host of the Country. Hither I live in Devonport too.
We didn't get a choice at all on the speed limits.
Nobody pays any attention to the speed limits as you'd expect. Hither,
I also live in Devenport. No one does the speed
limit of thirty k's I live on a thirty k
No one does it, not even me headlines next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Whether it's macro MicroB or just plain economics. It's all
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Speaker 21 (01:23:14):
Brady's going to be with us shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
I am so looking forward to talking to ende Brady
about what's going on in the UK election, because, as
I've told you before, it just as a pack of
losers running to take the place over. Hither, they've just
changed what about you. They've just changed the speed limit
on our street to thirty k's so on my home
I do exactly that, just to piss the tailgaters off. Cool,

(01:23:36):
we'll get so cross with you if I was driving
behind you.

Speaker 8 (01:23:38):
Hither, milicious compliance. We call that one, don't we? Is
that what it's called? Yeah? Where you do what you're
supposed to do in such a way that everyone gets
annoyed at you and they can't because you're just doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yeah, you're just yeah, And you know who I hope
gets stuck behind you, Richard Hell's the Auckland councilor so
we can see how that feels. Hither, I drive everywhere
with cruise control, as I have the GPS monitoring by
my employer. Thirty sucks because you can't actually set the
cruise control to anything less than forty k's per hour.
There's no way thirty is any safer than forty because
you just get bored and you look for other things
to do while you're crawling along, which is true. You

(01:24:10):
are more likely, I reckon, to think it's absolutely okay
to tap away on your phone at thirty than you
are to think it's okay to tap away at your
phone on your phone at forty. But whatever. Anyway, thank god,
Simon Brown's coming to change the subbay. The Pope. Now, listen,
Pope's been in a little bit of trouble lately because
he keeps on repeating the F word. I don't know
if you've been aware of it. He said the F
word then in a closed meeting, then he was like, sorry,

(01:24:31):
I won't do that again. Then he did it again. Anyway,
now he's redeemed himself because he's come out on the
side of the people who go to the Catholic Church,
and I am with him on this. He's told the
priests they need to keep their homilies short and speak
for a maximum of eight minutes so that people don't
fall asleep. Now, the homily is when they read from
the Bible in the mass, and then afterwards they do
the homily, which is designed to kind of reinforce what

(01:24:53):
was in the reading from the Bible rights, like a
little teaching and stuff like that. But Francis says eight
minutes is the absolute maximum that here they're allowed to do.
And he says quote because after that time, attention is
lost and people fall asleep, and they are right. He says,
priests sometimes talk a lot and you don't understand what
they are talking about. Bang on twenty two away from

(01:25:13):
seven together do for c Alan. Now, Apple have been
considered something of an AI laggard because they hadn't announced
any AI plans, but that's now of course changed because
it looks like we're gonna get AI soon coming to
us via our iPhones. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is
with us to talk us through that evening, Sam righty,
This arms races AI arms race is fascinating. Where are

(01:25:33):
we at in this race to drive the revenue and
the profits from AI.

Speaker 12 (01:25:37):
Yes, there's been a lot of noise, but all these
companies like Meta, Microsoft, Amazon that has spending tens and
in fact, hundreds of billions of dollars are desperate to
find the kind of killer app that the thing that
you and I here that will pay for to give
them a return on their investment. And the first wave,
as we know, was the natural language model is the
single source of truth like m and ich GPT perplexity

(01:26:01):
called METAAI. The list goes on. Now it's still early
days on that, but it looks like no one has
really prepared to pay for that single source of truth.
And then the next potentially big opportunity is or Thomas
vehicles or full self driving vehicles for everyone, but that's
still we way away. And of course, a genuine and
I mean genuine personal assistant, it's actually useful, unlike Alexa

(01:26:24):
or hey Google, for.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Example, why's Apple being considered a lag out here?

Speaker 12 (01:26:31):
Well, modern AIS kind of in play since November twenty
twenty two, and almost every company on Earth since since
then announced their AI strategy and I sort of say
that playing cheek, and it's almost been a laughable competition.
How many times can you mention AI on one earnings call?
For example? And Apple has been stummed. It hasn't said

(01:26:52):
a word. So the market's been calling it an AI laggard,
and it does remind me Heeter. You and I talked
a few months ago about Google and people were saying
that company was an AI loser as well, which was
kind of a third given AI as one of the Sorry,
Google's one of the godfathers of AI. So this all
seemed to change Rapple this week at their their Worldwide
Developers Conference.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Yeah, what is this Worldwide Developers Conference?

Speaker 12 (01:27:17):
So that's the annual flagship event. So all the big
tech companies and most big corporates globally have a big,
sort of killer annual flagship event, and this is the
one where they unveil their newest products. I'm sure you
can probably all remember Steve Jobs walking around on stage
with the original iPhone back in two thousand and seven
or whatever it was. But they announced at this WWDC

(01:27:39):
as it's called Apple Intelligence, which is basically an upgraded
Sury among other things.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Okay, what does this mean for us as consumers? Now,
if we're going to get the stuff loaded on our iPhone.

Speaker 12 (01:27:51):
So among other things, that really means a super supercharged
sery there will actually be able to understand what you're
saying understand natural land much better. It will be able
to dig through your apps on your phone, assuming they
get permission and execute instructions. So imagine a genuine personal
system that could send emails, book meetings, book taxi, surf
you're in New Zealand, app to see what time your

(01:28:11):
flight has change that flight, pull up photos from years ago,
all activated by your voice. And one of the examples
they gave, which I think is not a bad example
is not killer. Is say you've taken a photo of
your driver's license and is very deep in the bowels
of your photos somewhere you can just say Siri, given
my driver's license number, it will surf your photos.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Sam, How good is this? I mean the other day
I tried to find my driver's license number and I
had to eventually go and blinking will find my wallet
in another room, which annoyed me so much. This is
going to be a game changer, then, potentially, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:28:45):
Well, that is the killer question that investors are grapping with,
and maybe I think you've just answered it for me, Heather,
is will you upgrade your iPhone if the Siri is
really a killer personal assistant? I think you just said yes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Well, yeah, I mean, how much is it going to cost?
Because I'm very tight?

Speaker 12 (01:29:04):
Well exactly so that this is from an investor's perspective.
Apple Intelligence is only available on iPhones fifteen and above,
so you know this. People are going to see how
this plays out. But if this is a real genuine
personal assistant that will save you hours per week, potentially
people will upgrade their iPhone and will drive an upgrade cycle.

(01:29:24):
But one thing is the short The market thinks this
will drive a huge iPhone upgrade cycle because the stock
has added three to four hundred billion US dollars in
market cap and two days alone since the Worldwide Developers Conference.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Brilliant, So the investors are into it, are they?

Speaker 12 (01:29:39):
They are into it, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Yeah, Hey, thank you Sam. That's fascinating stuff. Really appreciate it.
We'll talk to you again soon, Sam, Dickie for your funds. Okay,
if you're worried about productivity, I've just got to run
you through this because this stuff is really important. Right,
if you're worried about productivity in this country, you're not
going to like the latest data. It's gone backwards in
all industries and across all main regions. This is according
to zero put out the data today. Productivity fell across

(01:30:02):
the country six percent on average last year. Agriculture suffered
the worst twelve percent drop, hospo sector nine percent drop,
retail and real estate seven point eight percent drop, construction
seven point four percent drop. Across the regions dropped the
most in Wellington seven percent, Canterbury two percent, Auckland one
point two percent. So it's not looking that good, but
hopefully that's just a function of where we're at economically
and it'll fix itself. Now, do you want some home

(01:30:25):
truths about New Zealand. I've been meaning to actually saw
this yesterday and was meaning to draw it to your attention,
but I didn't have a chance. We do it now, okay.
So a British mother went on Mum's Net, which is
lots of mums use mum's Net to ask each other questions.

Speaker 25 (01:30:39):
Not this mum.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
I don't know why, but other mums do. And so
she went on and she said her husband was worried
about the threat of war in the UK. He'd been
offered a job in New Zealand and they were considering
taking it and letting their sons start school over here.
Should she do it well. The overwhelming response was do
do not go there. One brit who lives in Auckland wrote,
way a shite food is expensive, houses are cold, transport

(01:31:04):
is crap. Is any of that untrue? It's all true,
isn't it. Someone says our pay in New Zealand doesn't
go as far. Food is really really expensive, particularly fruit
and veg. I'm in the UK at the moment. Food
is still cheap here. By comparison. Others claim that the
cost of dental care is prohibitive compared to the UK
public system, with one saying any Kiwi you meet with

(01:31:25):
decent two teeth is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
Very well to do.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
So there you go. If you look in that view,
if you have a look in the mirror and you're like, oh,
that's a there's a nice set of perilars, you're rich
mate that they're complaining about things like it's it's a
long way to go, it's boring, there's not a lot
to do. Yeah, it's cold, all the typical stuff. Someone
says it's it's like stepping back into the nineteen eighties.
Beautiful but a bit weird, which I think means probably

(01:31:52):
because you visited in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
You absolute dark.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
My son lives in Auckland. It's really boring. He likes
it and that's the city. He likes it. But he
was a boring old fart when he was a teenager.
If you get invited to someone's house in winter, you
have to take an extra jumper and socks because you'll
probably get cold.

Speaker 22 (01:32:08):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I've experienced that typically when most people invite you over
to the house, you have to bring a plate because
the host can't afford to cater for those that they
have invited. That's not the reason that we get you
to bring a play is because we're lazy anyway, that's
what people think. One person, though, did say the food
that you get here is out the gate better than
anything you get in the UK. And that's the truth.

(01:32:30):
If you've ever tried to eat in the UK, and
I'm looking at you Wales, mate, may as well just
eat some cardboard. That's what that tastes like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
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Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
And Brady's our UK correspondent. This evening evening ender.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
Hello, have the good speaker?

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Are you following this case about the nurse who murdered
the babies?

Speaker 4 (01:32:59):
Yes, oh, this is very interesting because it's a retrial.
So Lucy let Be is her name. You may have
heard that name last year when she was convicted in
a separate case. So I'll just explain what happened last
year because it's important. Thirty four year old nurse hospital
in Chester, which is on the Welsh border up in
the northwest of England, and she was convicted of the

(01:33:19):
murders of seven infants and the attempted murders of seven more. Now, crucially,
the jury could not reach verdicts on six counts of
attempted murder, so they were basically parked while she was
jailed for the fourteen crimes she was convicted of. So
seven murders and seven attempted murders she got fourteen life
sentences and she has been told she will die in

(01:33:42):
prison now of the six charges that the jury couldn't
reach verdicts on, what the prosecution have done now is
they've come back with one of those cases, a little
baby girl. They were all given a letter of the
alphabet baby kay A little baby girl who died in
February twenty sixteen. Sorry, she was attacked in February twenty sixteen,
and the prosecution are now saying that that was attempted

(01:34:02):
murder committed by Lucy Lepbie. She denies the charges, and
the trial is now underway and in the opening stages
the prosecution have said that all that evidence last year
in her convictions form a very significant part of their
case in this so it's attempted murder, which she denies.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Really interesting that the jury have been told that she's
already been convicted for murders, because generally you try to
keep those things separate, right, so that one accusation doesn't
taint the following jury.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
I would say traditionally illegally yes, But unfortunately her face
has been all over every newspaper here in the past
twelve months, and you know, you could walk out onto
the street and say do you recognize this woman and
they would say, oh, isn't she that nurse? So I
think the lawyers and there have been lots of legal discussion,
but I'm sure they've basically just said to the jury

(01:34:54):
that you know, you may recognize this defendant or you
may know this name. This is what has happened. So
it's but she's entitled to a fair trial, which she
will get. She denies the charge of attempted murder and
the case continues in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
This rice between this competition between Rashie Sunek and Sir
Kiyastama to be the most normal is getting ridiculous, right,
has reached a new low point for the sky TV stuff,
hasn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Well, look he said it. You know, you wonder who's
advising Sunac because he was asked the question, you know,
what sacrifices have you made? And he stumbled and bumbled
as he just keeps doing. And then eventually when he
was asked to name one sacrifice he had made, he
said that he didn't have Sky TV basically Fox Tell
it's about one hundred and twenty dollars a month now,

(01:35:39):
and I used to work there and I know the
sky system inside out. I was there for two decades.
He said that as a young person growing up, he
famously is the words he used, famously, we didn't have
sky I think to even bring up subscription TV that's
one hundred and twenty dollars a month when there are
children in the UK right now on his government's watch,

(01:36:00):
not getting two meals a day. There are twenty two
hundred food banks where people are going to get their food.
I mean, it's staggering that he has even said this
and Starmer. I watched the debate last night between the
two of them in Grimsby and I thought Starmer absolutely
smashed it. I thought he had answers for everything. He
looked like a Prime Minister in waiting, and the key

(01:36:21):
phrase he kept saying was country first, party second. And
I think, hand on heart, the most true blue Conservatives
in the country for the last fourteen years, if they
were asked that question, could you truly say that your
people have put the country over the party. I don't
think they could answer that honestly.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Actually, Hey Inda, as always,
thank you so much. We'll check you again. Nick's Tuesday,
look after yourself. That's indo. Brady Ow UK correspondent. Hear
that these sound like the same English who go to
the European resorts, mown that it's not like home and
search for their crep English food. That actually blinked and
tedious and they're very funny people. Thank you for that now, Apparently,
according to a text, you don't need the AI to

(01:36:59):
suit your phone for your license. You can actually do
it yourself. You simply need to go to your gallery,
click the search bit type license and it already has
the capacity to find it. And in fact I just
gave it a hooon before, and that is true. The
reason I do remember that now, the reason that I
had to get up and walk to the other room,
which really quite infuriated me, was because I didn't have
the license on my phone, so even AI wouldn't have

(01:37:20):
been able to find it in the end when it
eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
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Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Here's an idea for what we could do to the
counselors and local body hither in the mid nineteen sixties,
the Hastings counselors were paid ten quitter meeting and they
had twelve meetings a year.

Speaker 24 (01:37:54):
John.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
Probably back then everything actually worked properly, and so it
was probably a better system.

Speaker 25 (01:37:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
I think that we've probably established on the show that
the world is a weird place, right, and people are weird.
And the latest weird thing I've come across is that
there is a particular look on Hollywood at the moment
that the girls are all a fluttered, a flutter for
the thing that people are finding hot in their Hollywood
men is rattish good looks. Like rattish good looks. They

(01:38:21):
call them hot rodent men. It's basically a good looking
man who happens to resemble a mouse or a rat,
but in a hot way, because obviously, like if you're
like Peter Pethwick from Harry Potter, that's not in a
hot way. But there are some who just wear like
a passing resemblance to a mouse, but they're still quite hot.
I feel like, Okay, I'm going to read you the
list of names. Okay, then we can get to the

(01:38:43):
bottom of this. Timothy Shallow, may you know he the
young one with the curly hair, very kind of like
pixyish kind of looks. Jeremy Allen White never heard of
him before. Barry Cogan. He's the one in Saltburn who
gets his wanger out, so now you know who I'm
talking about. He's also the one in Mass of the
Air who dies very early on without any kind of warning.
It's weird. I don't know why they had him there

(01:39:03):
in the first place. A guy called Mike Face. Never
heard of him. Josha Connor never heard of him. Blink
one eight two's drummer Travis bark Barker, who's married to
one of the Kadashians. Of course, Courtney, thank you, Matty
Heay from nineteen seventy five, who had a little fling
with Taylor Swift. The whole album's written about him. Will
Willem Dafoe and that's all the ones you'll know. Adam
Driver maybe as well. Anyway, apparently I've had a look

(01:39:26):
at them, and I think the thing they've all gone
in common is that they've got quite pointed features. Their
eyes are a little too close together, and they've got
a really pointed chin, like a heart shaped face with
a pointy chin. And therefore they are hot rodent men.

Speaker 8 (01:39:38):
Where do I was about to say here that, oh,
here we go. Here's here's a trend, I can get
it on. Finally a Hollywood trene, I can it on.
Then you sit to with echalone and I was like, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
No, actually, Laurie, you would agree with me. There's a
rodent he look about him.

Speaker 8 (01:39:49):
I don't think it's the rodent part we're worried about.
I think it's the hot rodent part that we're worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
I think I think you could go for hot rodent man,
if you could do that. Yeah, that's very kind.

Speaker 8 (01:39:56):
Welcome Taylor Swift. Ready for it to play us out?

Speaker 24 (01:40:00):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:40:01):
Some geological scientists were studying the concerts she did at
Murrayfield in Edinburgh over the weekend and they worked out
on their equipment. This was the one that got the
biggest response. They could actually pick up the concert all
the fans jumping up and down to the songs, and
this was the song. The fans were jumping up and
down the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
What's the song?

Speaker 7 (01:40:16):
Ready for it?

Speaker 8 (01:40:16):
Off the reputation album.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Thank You, AT's all right, See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
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