On the Sports Huddle this evening: Newstalk ZB Rugby Commentators Elliott Smith and Paul Allison.
The Black Caps lost to West Indies in Thursday’s crucial T20 pool game in Trinidad and Tobago – so they won’t make it to the knockout phase of the tournament.
Paul Allison told Heather du Plessis-Allan that he’s disappointed in the Black Caps loss, given their performance in recent T20 tournaments – being semifinalists two years ago and runners up 2021.
Allison said “They’re blaming weather and poor preparation of pitches – they also have to have a good hard look at the planning.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southebeast International Realty,
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's all over, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Here in Hamilton,
the Chiefs have run out the winners.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Forty three points to tweety one.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And the Blues March.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
John and Super Rugby Specific now hosts a semi final.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Final score in Wellington Hurricanes forty seven rebels tweety.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Poor tournament for the black Caps are we and underdone?
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Underdone chicken?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Because you can have underdone kind of beef, even underdone pork,
you can hear, yep, but you can't have underdone chicken.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Right on the sports title with us this evening, we've
got Paul Ellison news Talks he'd be rugby commentator and
Elliot Smith news Talks he'd be rugby commentator who is
actually at the Blues Brummy SEMBI final live from Eden Parking.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You can listen on Gold Sport later tonight. Hallo you too?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, Paul?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Are you disappointed in the Black Camps?
Speaker 7 (01:01):
Disappointed year, particularly after their form and recent T twenty competitions.
They were semi finalists two years ago they were semi
finalists in two sixteen runners up in twenty one. We
knew they'd go and underdone because the warm up games
that they had planned were or they asked for them
to be, actually delayed because most of the players were
still at the IPL, so they couldn't get delayed games.
(01:23):
They're blaming the weather, poor preparation of pitchers to be
able to get the preparation they needed over there. But
I think they'd had to have a good hard look
at the planning that they did going into it, and
the fact that what they're doing, they're coming home. They'll
be coming home after Tuesday's match. They've got Uganda and
Papa and New Guinea and yeah, it's been a Richard
tournament for them.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Paul.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It sounded to me as if the players had actually
asked for a break instead of playing the warm up matches.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Well, that's not my understanding, but you could be right.
I thought that they had a schedule in place, but
it didn't work to the availability of players because there
was nine of them still tied up with the IPL
on duty's and they said there was a logistical challenge
in getting the team together in the Caribbean. Now the
competition started on the second of June. Our first match
was on the eighth of June, so there was a
(02:12):
six day window there where perhaps they could have had
a match against somebody didn't take it, and it showed
them their performances they've been Richard, Yeah, what.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Have you heard, Alliott?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Have you heard that they just didn't have the opportunity
or that they actually didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Oh, I've heard that they didn't have the opportunity. But
it's quite bizarre given they started their campaign so late
compared to everyone else. A lot of teams played two
games by the time the black Cats took to the field,
so you'd think there'd be a window to have a game.
They went and underdone. But it feels like they've sort
of been on the precipice of something like this for
(02:45):
a wee bit. The Golden generation that weve been treated
to has shown signs of creaking over the last a
few summers, and I thought it might come at last
year's World Cup, but they got to the semi finals
at that fifty over tournament. This time around, it it
feels like some of the floors that have been developing
in this team have begun to be exposed. And ultimately
(03:07):
missing out on the knockout stages or the souper rates
is a failure when it comes to a black Caps
team give its cut throat. Only two teams go through,
But the black Caps should have been part of that
conversation and they're not.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Ellie, Is this just the future of the game, that
the IPL and all the money making things are going
to trump the national side?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I think the International crick Council needs to stand
up there and carve out windows where there are protected
international events and series and you can play internationals there
and you can have your t twins's, your Indian Premier
League's your United States what's it's your Chinese Premier League,
whatever you're going to get. You have those in separate windows,
(03:47):
but you protect the international game. So I think you
need to the ICC needs to stand up and take
some more responsibility. But so in New Zealing cricket at all, honestly,
it feels like they've probably been a little stuck in
the mud with the way they played the tea twiny
game over the last few years. It's very conservative. What
is a fast paced tournament, and I think there's some
(04:07):
selection issue's there and perhaps you know, splitting up the
coaching across the board might be a good move for
the Black Cap gone.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Interesting to take care, Hey, Paul, do you reckon the
Warriors have made the right call putting Sean Johnson back
into half back.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Well, it's a tough call for Andrew Webster, but I
think you've got to have him on the field somewhere.
He's the only one that was still there when they
last beat the Storm back in two fifteen. We know
how class he can be. You've got Martin moving out
one position. He's been so good in the last three
weeks when Shawn Johns Johnson has been out injured, and
the fact that they've won three games in a row.
(04:41):
He assisted had four assists against the Cowboys. But I
think you've got to have both them on the field.
So I don't have a problem with what they've done
and it'll be an absolute rip slaughter of a game
tomorrow night. In fact, we've got a great weekend of
sport in front of us.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Elliott? Would you have made
the same call?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I would have, But I think the key is finding
a way where they can actually alongside each other and
each have responsibility because what we saw before Johnson was
injured that he was everything was running through him and
Tomighty Martin was pretty much left with nothing to do
and it was all becoming a little too predictable that
the attack was running through Sean Johnson. If and in
the last few weeks we've seen you Tomighty really step up.
(05:18):
But you know, the key is them to both be
on the park and have that dual threat where you
keep in the opposition guessing and attack could either go
one side of the park or the left, that's or
all the other. That's the key for the Warriors and
if they can work harmoniously on the park then I
think it's a good move and I can see why
Andrew Webster has gone with it. Proof will be in
the putting as it always is, but you can't leave
(05:38):
a guy like Shawn Johnson out.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Now he's fit again, Right, you're back on the sports huddle,
Elliott Smith's with us and Paul Allison, Elliott Griggle. Paul
reckons that the Blues have to win for the sake
of rugby and New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
No, not particularly. I think the what we've seen over
the horse of the season, as there's been a higher
TV engagement than there has been for recent times. Crowd
sales are up. But I get why you want to
get some success in the Auckland market, but I don't
see it as being, you know, the be all and
end all. If the Blues don't win Super Rugby this season,
I think, you know, Hurricanes and the Wellington region equally important.
(06:12):
So to Hamilton. I don't think there's a bad outcome
as long as it's a new talent team lifting the
trophy next weekend and not the one from the Act.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah, because Elliott, I mean he makes he makes a
convincing argument, but I don't think it necessarily follows right.
I don't think that if the Blues win, suddenly Auckland
falls in love with rugby again, because I haven't seen
any sign that their success throughout the season has made
us like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I don't think so either. We saw the Blues
go all the way to the final a couple of
years ago and ride that wave then, and they were
selling out crowds. They didn't win ultimately then, But as
long as they're in the mix every year, I think
that's all you can ask from a Blues perspective, I
don't think that the magic tonic of them lifting the
trophy next weekend is going to get bums on seats
and kids out playing rugby. It might help, but I
(06:56):
don't think it's going to get those fans converted away
from league or whatever you want. So I don't think
it's the bee all and end, or with the Blues
don't win next week. It's certainly a good boost for
rugby in the region, but it would be the same
for any region in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Paul, You're going to be rooting for the Blues, aren't you.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I've got my hanky out. Actually, when I heard that story,
I can't see how that makes any sense at all.
Sure it might invigorate the support of rugby in Auckland,
but you look back through the last decade or more,
when the All Blacks have won a couple of World Cups,
you've had names likes of Richie mccawr and Aaron Smith
and Sam Whitelocke and Brody Metallic and Dan Carter and
(07:36):
Conrad Smith and Beensmith and the Barretts. They've all come
from country areas. They haven't come from the Blues Country
and New Zealand rugby's done pretty well without it two
thousand and three. I think the Blues last one the
proper super rugby competition. It's twenty one years ago and
New Zealand rugby's done okay since then. So you know,
I've still got my hanky out and what my tears away?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
To be honest, Saylan, you got on yet? Do you reckon, Elliott?
That the Saudis can pull off this unified by league?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, they've got enough money to throw at it, don't they.
I think it's something that boxing does need. In honesty,
there's too many confusing belts. No one seems to know
what it means. You look at the UFC and it's
very clear. If you win a UFC title, you are
the UFC champion. If you win a boxing title you
might be the IBF, WBOWBF, whatever initialism you were looking at,
(08:21):
you win one of those. No one seems to know
what everything is going on. All the money now goes
through Saudi Arabia. Forget Las Vegas. Boxing doesn't work there.
There's not enough money there anymore. If there's anyone that
can do it, there are dear friends in Saudi Arabia
can do it. They're pretty much taking over world sports.
So hey, maybe this is a good thing. Maybe unifying,
you know, the boxing titles might be some good form
(08:42):
of sports washing.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I mean that's a fair point, isn't it, Paul. If
anyone can do it, it's them.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, four or five million US dollars are talking about
injecting into this, and you know you talk about all those. Initially,
I had to look at what they were. A World
Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, World Boxing Association, world boxing organization.
Each one have their own rules, each one have their
own championship belts. It's so sort of scattered and split
and spread out that if they can pull this together
(09:08):
with that money, I think actually it's a good thing
both for the sport and for the spectator. So yeah,
I'm actually for it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I'd love to see it.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
They've done it with golf, have done it with Formula one,
that've done it with football. They're looking to do it
for cycling, money talks, and sport. I think they'll pull
it off.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, good stuff, Elie. You've got a good crowd there tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I think gates only opened about ten minutes ago. So
there's probably fewer than five hundred people through at the moment.
I haven't heard a number as yet. Hoping it's good
because this could be the last Blues game of the season,
so let's hope that the crowd comes out.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's not going to be stopped that night.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Seven o'clock on a Friday night. This is not the
ideal scenario for the Blues. This is in the time slot.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That we can talk about it. The Brumbies are useless, the.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
One seven seven in a row. The Blues are one
fourteen park. So yeah, I think it'll be a good
match in prospect the Blues. The Blue should win this
one and march on into the final next week. And
here you go, I'm picking an upset against the Chiefs,
so they'll be at home next week as well. Here
you go, alliant, we have another game to do.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
All right, good calendar, Thank you both, really appreciate it.
Elliott Smith, Paul Ellison. By the way, you can listen
to Elliott. He's going to be on gold Sport tonight
from seven o'clock, going to be calling the Blues Brumby
Semifinal live from Eden Park.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
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exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's all over, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Here in Hamilton,
the Chiefs have run out the winners.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Forty three points to tweety one.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And the Blues March.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
John and Super Rugby Specific now hosts a semi final.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Final score in Wellington Hurricanes forty seven rebels tweety.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Poor tournament for the black Caps are we and underdone?
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Underdone chicken?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Because you can have underdone kind of beef, even underdone pork,
you can hear, yep, but you can't have underdone chicken.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Right on the sports title with us this evening, we've
got Paul Ellison news Talks he'd be rugby commentator and
Elliot Smith news Talks he'd be rugby commentator who is
actually at the Blues Brummy SEMBI final live from Eden Parking.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You can listen on Gold Sport later tonight. Hallo you too?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh yeah, Paul?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Are you disappointed in the Black Camps?
Speaker 7 (01:01):
Disappointed year, particularly after their form and recent T twenty competitions.
They were semi finalists two years ago they were semi
finalists in two sixteen runners up in twenty one. We
knew they'd go and underdone because the warm up games
that they had planned were or they asked for them
to be, actually delayed because most of the players were
still at the IPL, so they couldn't get delayed games.
(01:23):
They're blaming the weather, poor preparation of pitchers to be
able to get the preparation they needed over there. But
I think they'd had to have a good hard look
at the planning that they did going into it, and
the fact that what they're doing, they're coming home. They'll
be coming home after Tuesday's match. They've got Uganda and
Papa and New Guinea and yeah, it's been a Richard
tournament for them.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Paul.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
It sounded to me as if the players had actually
asked for a break instead of playing the warm up matches.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
Well, that's not my understanding, but you could be right.
I thought that they had a schedule in place, but
it didn't work to the availability of players because there
was nine of them still tied up with the IPL
on duty's and they said there was a logistical challenge
in getting the team together in the Caribbean. Now the
competition started on the second of June. Our first match
was on the eighth of June, so there was a
(02:12):
six day window there where perhaps they could have had
a match against somebody didn't take it, and it showed
them their performances they've been Richard, Yeah, what.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Have you heard, Alliott?
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Have you heard that they just didn't have the opportunity
or that they actually didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Oh, I've heard that they didn't have the opportunity. But
it's quite bizarre given they started their campaign so late
compared to everyone else. A lot of teams played two
games by the time the black Cats took to the field,
so you'd think there'd be a window to have a game.
They went and underdone. But it feels like they've sort
of been on the precipice of something like this for
(02:45):
a wee bit. The Golden generation that weve been treated
to has shown signs of creaking over the last a
few summers, and I thought it might come at last
year's World Cup, but they got to the semi finals
at that fifty over tournament. This time around, it it
feels like some of the floors that have been developing
in this team have begun to be exposed. And ultimately
(03:07):
missing out on the knockout stages or the souper rates
is a failure when it comes to a black Caps
team give its cut throat. Only two teams go through,
But the black Caps should have been part of that
conversation and they're not.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Ellie, Is this just the future of the game, that
the IPL and all the money making things are going
to trump the national side?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I think the International crick Council needs to stand
up there and carve out windows where there are protected
international events and series and you can play internationals there
and you can have your t twins's, your Indian Premier
League's your United States what's it's your Chinese Premier League,
whatever you're going to get. You have those in separate windows,
(03:47):
but you protect the international game. So I think you
need to the ICC needs to stand up and take
some more responsibility. But so in New Zealing cricket at all, honestly,
it feels like they've probably been a little stuck in
the mud with the way they played the tea twiny
game over the last few years. It's very conservative. What
is a fast paced tournament, and I think there's some
(04:07):
selection issue's there and perhaps you know, splitting up the
coaching across the board might be a good move for
the Black Cap gone.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Interesting to take care, Hey, Paul, do you reckon the
Warriors have made the right call putting Sean Johnson back
into half back.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Well, it's a tough call for Andrew Webster, but I
think you've got to have him on the field somewhere.
He's the only one that was still there when they
last beat the Storm back in two fifteen. We know
how class he can be. You've got Martin moving out
one position. He's been so good in the last three
weeks when Shawn Johns Johnson has been out injured, and
the fact that they've won three games in a row.
(04:41):
He assisted had four assists against the Cowboys. But I
think you've got to have both them on the field.
So I don't have a problem with what they've done
and it'll be an absolute rip slaughter of a game
tomorrow night. In fact, we've got a great weekend of
sport in front of us.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah, what do you reckon? Elliott? Would you have made
the same call?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I would have, But I think the key is finding
a way where they can actually alongside each other and
each have responsibility because what we saw before Johnson was
injured that he was everything was running through him and
Tomighty Martin was pretty much left with nothing to do
and it was all becoming a little too predictable that
the attack was running through Sean Johnson. If and in
the last few weeks we've seen you Tomighty really step up.
(05:18):
But you know, the key is them to both be
on the park and have that dual threat where you
keep in the opposition guessing and attack could either go
one side of the park or the left, that's or
all the other. That's the key for the Warriors and
if they can work harmoniously on the park then I
think it's a good move and I can see why
Andrew Webster has gone with it. Proof will be in
the putting as it always is, but you can't leave
(05:38):
a guy like Shawn Johnson out.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Now he's fit again, Right, you're back on the sports huddle,
Elliott Smith's with us and Paul Allison, Elliott Griggle. Paul
reckons that the Blues have to win for the sake
of rugby and New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
No, not particularly. I think the what we've seen over
the horse of the season, as there's been a higher
TV engagement than there has been for recent times. Crowd
sales are up. But I get why you want to
get some success in the Auckland market, but I don't
see it as being, you know, the be all and
end all. If the Blues don't win Super Rugby this season,
I think, you know, Hurricanes and the Wellington region equally important.
(06:12):
So to Hamilton. I don't think there's a bad outcome
as long as it's a new talent team lifting the
trophy next weekend and not the one from the Act.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Yeah, because Elliott, I mean he makes he makes a
convincing argument, but I don't think it necessarily follows right.
I don't think that if the Blues win, suddenly Auckland
falls in love with rugby again, because I haven't seen
any sign that their success throughout the season has made
us like it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
No, I don't think so either. We saw the Blues
go all the way to the final a couple of
years ago and ride that wave then, and they were
selling out crowds. They didn't win ultimately then, But as
long as they're in the mix every year, I think
that's all you can ask from a Blues perspective, I
don't think that the magic tonic of them lifting the
trophy next weekend is going to get bums on seats
and kids out playing rugby. It might help, but I
(06:56):
don't think it's going to get those fans converted away
from league or whatever you want. So I don't think
it's the bee all and end, or with the Blues
don't win next week. It's certainly a good boost for
rugby in the region, but it would be the same
for any region in New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Paul, You're going to be rooting for the Blues, aren't you.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
I've got my hanky out. Actually, when I heard that story,
I can't see how that makes any sense at all.
Sure it might invigorate the support of rugby in Auckland,
but you look back through the last decade or more,
when the All Blacks have won a couple of World Cups,
you've had names likes of Richie mccawr and Aaron Smith
and Sam Whitelocke and Brody Metallic and Dan Carter and
(07:36):
Conrad Smith and Beensmith and the Barretts. They've all come
from country areas. They haven't come from the Blues Country
and New Zealand rugby's done pretty well without it two
thousand and three. I think the Blues last one the
proper super rugby competition. It's twenty one years ago and
New Zealand rugby's done okay since then. So you know,
I've still got my hanky out and what my tears away?
Speaker 4 (07:54):
To be honest, Saylan, you got on yet? Do you reckon, Elliott?
That the Saudis can pull off this unified by league?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, they've got enough money to throw at it, don't they.
I think it's something that boxing does need. In honesty,
there's too many confusing belts. No one seems to know
what it means. You look at the UFC and it's
very clear. If you win a UFC title, you are
the UFC champion. If you win a boxing title you
might be the IBF, WBOWBF, whatever initialism you were looking at,
(08:21):
you win one of those. No one seems to know
what everything is going on. All the money now goes
through Saudi Arabia. Forget Las Vegas. Boxing doesn't work there.
There's not enough money there anymore. If there's anyone that
can do it, there are dear friends in Saudi Arabia
can do it. They're pretty much taking over world sports.
So hey, maybe this is a good thing. Maybe unifying,
you know, the boxing titles might be some good form
(08:42):
of sports washing.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I mean that's a fair point, isn't it, Paul. If
anyone can do it, it's them.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Yeah, four or five million US dollars are talking about
injecting into this, and you know you talk about all those. Initially,
I had to look at what they were. A World
Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, World Boxing Association, world boxing organization.
Each one have their own rules, each one have their
own championship belts. It's so sort of scattered and split
and spread out that if they can pull this together
(09:08):
with that money, I think actually it's a good thing
both for the sport and for the spectator. So yeah,
I'm actually for it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I'd love to see it.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
They've done it with golf, have done it with Formula one,
that've done it with football. They're looking to do it
for cycling, money talks, and sport. I think they'll pull
it off.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah, good stuff, Elie. You've got a good crowd there tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I think gates only opened about ten minutes ago. So
there's probably fewer than five hundred people through at the moment.
I haven't heard a number as yet. Hoping it's good
because this could be the last Blues game of the season,
so let's hope that the crowd comes out.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's not going to be stopped that night.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Seven o'clock on a Friday night. This is not the
ideal scenario for the Blues. This is in the time slot.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
That we can talk about it. The Brumbies are useless, the.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
One seven seven in a row. The Blues are one
fourteen park. So yeah, I think it'll be a good
match in prospect the Blues. The Blue should win this
one and march on into the final next week. And
here you go, I'm picking an upset against the Chiefs,
so they'll be at home next week as well. Here
you go, alliant, we have another game to do.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
All right, good calendar, Thank you both, really appreciate it.
Elliott Smith, Paul Ellison. By the way, you can listen
to Elliott. He's going to be on gold Sport tonight
from seven o'clock, going to be calling the Blues Brumby
Semifinal live from Eden Park.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
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news talks it'd B from four pm weekdays, or follow
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