Full Show Podcast: 14 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand. Let's get connected,
you stalk said.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Nicole McKee
says she's going to rewrite the country's gun laws, so
we'll have a chat to her about that. Half the five,
it has emerged that Houth New Zealand has now ordered
a hiring freeze. They say, not for the frontline medical staff.
That's not convincing. Everyone will get the details and Corey Jane,
the Hurricanes' assistant coach, on the Super Rugby playoffs this weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Ever, Duplicy Ellen, Oh you know.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
What today is, don't you? Well, she probably don't. You're
not enough of a nerd. Let me tell you. Today
is forty years to the day since Rob muldoon called
the snap election, which then of course led to his defeat,
which then of course led to the incoming Labor government
realized we were nearly broke as a country, which then
lead to them embarking on the most amazing set of
reforms which they do not get enough credit for to

(00:57):
this day and get way too much grieful it is
a really interesting anniversary for us to mark right now,
as we find ourselves in a recession that feels like
the worst that many of us have ever experienced, as
we watch old names in New Zealand like Smith and
Coe give up, as we see projections that the country's
debt will just keep growing. Because today Roger Douglas, well,

(01:21):
of course, one of the primary architect of those reforms
back in nineteen eighty four. Today, Roger Douglas has given
an interview saying we are as in as much trouble
today as we were back in nineteen eighty four. By
the way, if you ask them, why is Roger Douglas
piping up again? He's not stopped day the man. You
cannot stop the man. He's still pouring over all the
government financials, still publishing his ideas, still calling journalists, you know,

(01:43):
to tell us what he thinks is going wrong with
the country. And in this particular interview, he points to
a treasury paper containing long term fiscal projections and he says,
if we carry on spending the way that we are,
if you look at this paper, what's going on in there,
We're going to go broke. In particular, what he's worried
about is the projections for the cost explosion that's coming
in healthcare, the pension, education, and the cost of paying

(02:06):
for the debt that we're racking up. He points to
health specifically. He says it's currently seven percent of GDP.
In thirty five years, many of us will still be
alive by that time, it will be eleven percent. Now,
that is just health, never mind the pension, never mind education,
never mind the cost of the debt. And he is
worried that the debt is going to blow out in
this country. And he's right to be worried about it,

(02:28):
because if you just look at the budget documents that
were published last month, that debt shows no sign of
going anywhere other than up. It just gets burger and
bigger and bigger every single year. Now, you tell me
that he's wrong, and I'm not being miserable about it.
I just want to be realistic about it. You tell
me that you disagree with him, that we are in
the same position that we were in nineteen ninty four.

(02:48):
Our country is in a structural deficit at the moment.
It means that we spend more every single year than
we earn. As a country. Our infrastructure is getting old.
Everything is going backwards, from crime to the education system.
We are tied up in red tape and dumb rules
in this country. So he's right, isn't he. So here's
hoping the country and the government have the intelligence and

(03:08):
the courage to do some radical things to fix this,
just like the government they came in forty years ago.
Heather due for see Allen ninet two ninety two is
the text number standard text fes play. I'm sure that
Barry Soper will be talking. He'll tell us a story
about Muldoon, won't he? It will be our story about
Muldoon when he's back with us. Never misses the opportunity.
He's with us in just over half an hour now,
The Taxpayers Union says the government shouldn't be giving out

(03:30):
any more film subsidies because we're just not getting bang
for our buck anymore. According to numbers compiled by former
South Pacific Pictures boss John Barnett, the Film Commission has
spent get this, eighty eight million dollars of taxpayer money
on fifty four movies over the last few years. How
much did those movies make in the total New Zealand
box office take fourteen million dollars. The Taxpayers Union says

(03:54):
will be much better just to give the eighty eight
million dollars to Farmac instead, and John Barnett's with us. Now,
Hey John, I'm very well thank you. What do you reckon?
Do we ask the subsidies?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, because living in a country, any country, you wanted
to reflect a whole lot of aspects of yourself and
including it in that is our film and television, our
stories being told by us and to us.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, but what's the Point's But what's the point in
them telling the stories of absolutely none of us are
watching the stories?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, then I think that's about we should be smarter
about what we put our money into, as opposed to
indulging every idea that comes across the counter. So I
think that's where wiseness spending rather than us throwing around.
And just as an example, use in and on air

(04:52):
under the fantastic show which is on the spinoff called Juggernaut,
which is exactly I think at least today, and it's
exactly about the history of the incoming Logger government and
the nineteen eighty four lesson and it's electrified.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
No? It's actually it's a podcast.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That was actually it's going to be my weekend listening.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
It should be. Roger Douglas is very funny and quoted
at length, and he's going to the cast of all
the stars of the We're Alive from that time. And
that's part of the thing that funding for film and
television and audio visual stuff goes into it.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah, okay, I see what your point. But okay, so
the Chloe Swarbrick documentary, do you reckon we should be
putting money into that because the film commission is well.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I I think that there are two essential questions that
you asked before you put money into any film, and
that is who is your audience and how you're going
to reach them. And I think that when you look
at a number of the things that have been made,
nobody asked to with the audience, because if they had,
they would have said, look, we don't think we should

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spend as much, or maybe this is better on television
and a make cost less. And I think those are
the kind of things that we have to look at.
And the New Zealand t Commission was set up forty
some years ago. Closer they get Mom for fifty and
it was to enable New Zealanders to see stories about

(06:34):
themselves told by themselves. And the successes include the whole
canon of work that, for instance, Peter Jackson made, which
has brought billions into the country, into the tourism and
employment and all of those things. So it's easy for
the Taxis Union to say the money should go somewhere else,

(06:56):
because there's always somewhere else it should go. But you
don't achieve that just by wiping out.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Or support.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Do the people in the film commission have the expertise
or the kind of gut instinct to be able to
put money into films that are going to be successful
like that? Are they actually any good at that?

Speaker 4 (07:16):
From time to time they have been. But I think
if you look at the chart that I prepared, which
is twenty twenty three to twenty twenty three, you would
look at a number of titles there and say, I
don't know that I would have put money up. I mean,
there are all sorts of ways that you can You
can tell you can ask a local distributor if they're

(07:39):
interested in putting up some money in the hope of
getting it back, and if they say no, then you
wouldn't make it beca nobody.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, fair enough, John, Thank you, I really appreciated good
work on putting that chart together. That's John Bunnett, former
South Pacific Pictures chief executive. Heather what's the long e
podcast called. It's called Juggernaut. I've been waiting for it.
I'm very excited about this. Actually, listen, this news has
just come through. In the last all I want to
say hour or so, a man has been charged with

(08:08):
murdering baby Mustafa and Tikowitti Police have confirmed today they've
charged a twenty two year old man with murder. He
will appear in the Hamilton District Court tomorrow. Now we
are not able because of a convention to name him
at the stage, and the convention basically is to allow
to allow the person the opportunity to seek name suppression

(08:30):
at their first appearance if that is what they want,
and thereafter, you know, you just deal with or whatever.
So let's see what happens tomorrow. Tomorrow, the name may
be revealed quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leaf for
business US talks.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
That'd be right with me.

Speaker 6 (08:48):
Now?

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Is Jason Pye host a Week in Sport? Hate Poney?

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Can I Heather?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Okay? Tell me who's going to win the Semis then
Super ragby Semis?

Speaker 8 (08:54):
Well boyf for bet the Brambis Okay tonight, I think
that that of the two is the easier one to pick.

Speaker 9 (08:59):
No.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
Australian Scientific up to New Zealand and won a playoff game.
I don't think that'll continue tonight. Rubablys are okay, pretty
good at home, but I think the Blues will win
this one tomorrow. Coin flip for me at sky Stadium,
Hurricanes Chiefs two terrific sides finding a really nice little
slice of form at the back end of the season.
In fact, the Hurricanes have been pretty good right throughout
the whole season. Both previous matches this season have been

(09:21):
won by the Hurricanes one and Wellington won in Hamilton,
home advantage over thirty thousand coming to sky Stadium. I'm
just going to give it to the Hurricanes, but with
absolutely no degree of overriding certainty about that.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, I think I mean, once again, though, Pint, that's
going to be You're right, that's going to be the
match to watch this week. You know, the Blues matches
is another one of those is to give me, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (09:44):
And so it seems like, well, I mean, I mean,
you want the Brumbies to turn up. You want it
to be a contest, just like tomorrow will be. But
I just don't know. The Blues are a good team.
I mean it, don't take it away from them. They
deserve to be favorites tonight, and as I say, I
think they should want it going on by thirteen plus.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
The Warriors have not beat the Melbourne Storm since twenty fifteen.
Do you reckon they can do it?

Speaker 10 (10:07):
I reckon they can, you know, I reckon they can.

Speaker 8 (10:09):
We didn't think they'd win a couple of weeks ago,
and the week before that, those games against the Panthers
and the Dolphins, they were missing a whole bunch of players.
They got a few of them back last week and
did a really good job on the Cowboys. Storm are
a good team obviously, But it just I mean, these
streaks are meant to be broken at some stage, and
if it won't happen tomorrow night, from of a sold
out crowd at Mount Smart with Shawn Johnson back in

(10:31):
the seven Jersey Tahoo Harris back to lead the side
and a real optimism around this team. Then I can't
of wonder whether it ever will. It was a won
to try in round two that denied them. I don't
reckon they're tonight tomorrow night. I reckon the Warriors get
the job done and break that streak.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, they've got the ability. Hey Piney, thank you for that.
Really appreciated as Jason Pine Award winning host, award winning
host of Weekend Sport. So these are the details. Okay,
the last time the Warriors beat the Melbourne Storm was
in twenty fifteen, and he's right. They were actually, I
mean they were recently almost going to beat the Storm
again and then this crazy try happened and like the

(11:06):
very very end of the game where this the Melbourne
Storm player launched himself something like six meters and dropped
the ball right in the corner and it was a
freak show. I mean, otherwise the Warriors should have won
back in twenty fifteen, the last time they beat them
the Melbourne Storm. There was one of our players in
that squad. It was Sean Johnson. He was there in
twenty fifteen. He's the only one who still survives.

Speaker 11 (11:27):
Tohoo.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Harris was actually playing for Melbourne Storm and has obviously
since switched. Since then, they have met fifteen times. The
Storm have obviously won them all. Melbourne is top of
the ladder at the moment going into this game, it's
got nine wins, three losses. The Warriors are tenth six wins,
six losses and a draw. But hey, you know, we've
got hope. The sports tittle is going to be with
us in the gee's closer to six o'clock and we'll

(11:48):
have a chat to them about that.

Speaker 9 (11:49):
Here.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
They don't worry about the film commission. It could be worse.
It could have been a Chloe or a Justinda documentary.
Are you taking the mickey? Because literally both of those
things are in the pipeline funded by the film commission. Literally,
that's gonna happen. That Just Cinder film may actually make
more than we're putting into it. Because outside of New Zealand,
people still people don't know so they and in New Zealand,

(12:14):
we might just turn up just because sometimes you turn
the TV on to feel angry, don't you like you
turn around, You're like, ah, I'm ready to be I'm
ready to rage, like maybe we'll go to the film
to rage and then overseas they'll go to the film
to love it and then look there you might make
your money back. Are the Chloe one I'm not so
sure about as or get a load of this is
coming from John Hither. I've just been on the Air
New Zealand flight in Z six ' four, which left

(12:36):
Auckland at eleven o'clock en route to Bali. Shortly after
take off, the plane was hit by lightning with a
couple of massive bangs which felt like severe turbulence. There
was no electrical disturbance on the plane. The pilot reassured
everyone over the PA that there was no damage, no
passengers hurt, and then an hour into the fly, Air
New Zealand ground engineers decided to turn the plane around
and return to Auckland as a precaution for the plane

(12:56):
to be checked out by the Auckland engineers rather than
carry on to Barley. Which is probably a wise move
to make, you'd think. But you could have probably done it.
Wouldn't you have done it just after the would have
waited now or just been like what lightning come back
for twenty two?

Speaker 1 (13:08):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather Duet to ce Allen Drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected a news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Lord Barries confirmed to us that when he's with us
in twenty minutes time, he's talking about Muldoon, he's also
going to talk about Willie Jackson. So between the pair, like,
how are you going to make it through that particular
that particular correspondence slot, I don't know. We're going to
have to. It's going to be a time for twenty five.
Yesterday I told you that Elon Musk had said that
the pay package has been confirmed by the shareholders. That

(13:38):
has now been officially confirmed. We're going to talk to
Dan Mitchinson about that very shortly. This idea I love, Heather.
The simple answer for the film commission is to give
them one lot of capital e g. Let's give them
fifty million bucks and then they have to survive on
that And is the same as any commercial enterprise would
have to do if they fund projects that failed, then
they go out of business. Endo story. How good is that?

(13:59):
Give them fiel and go good luck and if they
make more money then they can keep on surviving. And
they can keep putting it into successful project and making
more money and making more projects. And if they keep
investing it badly, then there will be a day where
there is no film commission. I'm into that kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Who are you, Roger Douglas? Now the government has announced
it's going to rewrite the country's entire gun laws. This
is a part of the planned firearms reforms. The whole
lot are going to be rewritten. They're going to have
it done and ready to go by twenty twenty six.
Now I'm very keen to talk to the Minister Nicole
McKey about this. She's with us after five o'clock, because
in particular I want to talk to her about the
Gun Register, famously opposed to the gun Register, which is

(14:37):
already in place, but doesn't like it. On Monday, I
thought about her because I was reading the papers and
I read about a seventy five year old aucklanman and
his daughter who bought thirteen firearms in three months from
gun city stores. And what they were doing buying all
of these firearms was they were straw buyers, right, So
they go and the buy the firearms and then they
pass them on to the gang. In this case, it

(14:57):
sounds like their relatives were associate out of the common cheiros,
so the thirteen firearms presumably all went through the common hieros.
It's the most common way for firearms to end up
in criminal hands, not bringing them in from overseas, not
nicking them from a lawful gun owner, these clowns going
in and buying them and then on selling them or
giving them all whatever. Anyway, a gun register should stop

(15:18):
this kind of thing, right, So, if the gun register
is working, probably the stuff should have stopped. This is
an historical one that happened in twenty twenty two because
the minute you go in and buy thirteen firearms, red
flag on the gun register, what are you doing with
thirteen firearms? And the next minute we're rounding you up. Anyway,
she's with us after five headlines are.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Next on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and
in your car on your drive home. Hither duplice Allen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news
talk as the'd be and there's bet off the thing

(15:55):
that I've gone.

Speaker 11 (16:06):
Yea but begun.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
The shops record the firearms license number and items sold.
Why do police not ask to be told every person
who buys more than three firearms in a three month period.
And that's from Chris. That actually, Chris, this is a
fair point. The problem is it doesn't seem like all
of the stuffs necessarily been digitized yet like that some paperwork.
I think it's I think there's like a lag or

(16:29):
something going on here. Anyway, we'll talk to Nicole McKey,
but I think that they're actually running paper systems. And
also the problem is it shouldn't be It shouldn't be
that you're relying on firearms retailers to tell you that
you've had somebody come in the thirteen times. What if
they're not going to the same shop thirteen times. What
are they going to that shop, and then that shop,
and then that shop, and then that shop, and then
none of the shops realize they've been in thirteen times.

(16:50):
Haven't been in their shop thirteen times? You know what
I mean here? How come the police haven't used heat
seeking thermal imaging drones to find the Phillips family. They
are effective on deer and pigs. This is a really
good question. If they're in the bush, why don't do
they do that? And why don't they? For example, I
heard a suggestion that what needs to happen actually is
that you get the essays trackers in there so those
people know how to find people. Get them in there

(17:12):
with the dogs and stuff go and looking for them.
So why not do that. The possibility maybe that they
just don't want to confront face to face with him.
I want to confront him in case he's armed. Who knows. Anyway,
they have now wound down things and Mutter Copper. They
still have some cops around there, but no more checkpoints. Basically,
it sounds like the cops have outstayed. They're welcome with

(17:32):
the community. They've acknowledged publicly. The community are sick of
the number of police around. Plenty of residents are saying
the cops aren't going to find him, so they may
as well give up. And they're complaining about the sire
and screaming past their house at five am. And so
what's happened now is the cops are sort of packing
up and going to Uta Hunger and they're going to
have a look around there because he used to live
with his kids there and a home that's owned by

(17:54):
his family twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd been dry.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
The G seven countries have signed a deal to provide
Ukraine with over eighty billion New Zealand dollars in aid.
The aid comes in the form of a loan underwritten
with frozen Russian assets. Ukrainian President Zelenski is very grateful.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
It's a vital step forward in providing sustainable support for
Ukraine in winning these war.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
A former Australian ambassador to China reckons Premier Lee Chung's
itinerary may be intended as a snub to the Aussies.
Premier Lee is an Auckland today and the ni jets
off to Australia tomorrow. Jeff Raby says it's odd to
see a Chinese official start an Australasian tour in New Zealand.

Speaker 12 (18:36):
In the past, Australia was always first in New Zealand
and that just reflects a relative size and importance in
the relationship. So I think this is a clear case
of Beijing signaling to Canberra and Wellington how it views
the way in which the relationship has been managed in
recent years.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
And finally this, yeah, Jesus, the world is weird. Author
Sam Austen has released a version of legendary Russian novel
War and Peace for Cats. War and Peace Brackets for
Your Cat is a direct translation of the original into
Cat language. So it's literally a book that consists of

(19:16):
nothing but the word now repeated over four hundred thousand times.
The book does at least have a cute picture of
a cat in Napoleonic era military dress on the covers
of something, but I don't know if that makes it
worth the price of forty bucks plus postage.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Whether I am the PI looking for Tom. This is
from Chris again. They're not in the bush. They are
being looked after by friends and family, which would explain,
wouldn't it, why all the pressure was put on the
community to try to flush them out. Chris, Thank you
for that, appreciated. Dan Mitchison, US correspondence with US Now Hey.

Speaker 13 (19:53):
Dan, Hey, Heather.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, So the security agreement on the G seven sidelines
is a good one, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (19:58):
Well?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I think so?

Speaker 13 (19:59):
I So, I mean, President Zelensky appear pretty optimistic that
his country would would retain the support of the Biden
administration or actually any administration, no matter who the president is.
I think that is going to be kind of interesting
because I think that is a big butt here. I mean,
you know, Joe Biden makes the commitment right now, but

(20:19):
if he's not re elected in November, can that commitment
be fulfilled? Will Donald Trump change that if he gets
into the White House?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
And what's Donald Trump saying?

Speaker 14 (20:31):
Not a lot.

Speaker 13 (20:32):
But in the past he has said that he doesn't
think that this amount of money should be spent over there.
And while this group of seven leaders reached the agreement
to loan the money, and like you said in World Wires,
it's you know, it's profits for all these Russian investments.
We know the relationship Donald Trump has with Russia right now.
So I think that's going to play a play into

(20:52):
this whole scenario if he gets into the office.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Hey, how does Mason go with the House Republicans.

Speaker 13 (21:00):
You know, it's a cliche to say if I was
a fly on the wall, But if I was a
fly in the wall, I think this would have been
interesting today. It's like it was more of a gripe
session to tell you the truth, and anything else. This
was the first time mister Trump had been back to
the Capitol campus area since he left office after the
riots in January of twenty twenty one, and he held
a meeting where he apparently just complained about everything and anything,

(21:21):
his legal challenges, he was attacking his critics, he was
attacking Taylor Swift, so a house speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and
he warned of Republicans also not to be afraid of
a number of hot button issues. At the top of
his list was abortion. He talked considerably about Roe v. Wade,
and it just seemed like there were a number of

(21:42):
moments where he went off topic. And it was just
more of a get together with a you know, a
bunch of guys in a lounge, and it was a
formal meeting of GOP leaders.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
And there is hey on Elon Musk, how long is
he going to have to waite to get his hands
on the dollars.

Speaker 13 (21:56):
Well, that's a good question, because this is over fifty
I can't even say this fifty six billion dollar pay package.
And this was avoided by a judge a few years back,
but he won the backing of shareholders today. In fact,
he was pretty sure he was going to get this
in When it was announced in Austin, Texas. The crowd
cheered after the announcement. But the judge who struck down

(22:19):
the compensation earlier this year is likely going to ask
to rule again whether this vote is fair under the
state's business laws. And last week we had a different
shareholder here that was involved in another case. He filed
a new lawsuit arguing that the second vote should be
ruled in ballid.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
So would he like to.

Speaker 13 (22:36):
Get his hands on the money?

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (22:37):
Does he need it?

Speaker 7 (22:38):
Right now?

Speaker 13 (22:38):
He's probably doing Okay, how long is it going to take?
I mean that's really going to be up to the
judge and how long it takes for this judge to rule.
I think very.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Interesting stuff, Dan, Thanks for talking. I started enjoy your
weekend mate. This Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, hither speaking about
movies matter Kopper Dad and his Missing Kids will be
a movie one day, Tammy bang On And would you
not go and see that? I would go and see that.
I'd be hard out into watching that film. Got to
get another sign because you know how I feel about
the working from home. I don't think it's the future.

(23:07):
I think it's just gen Z as being lazy any
opportunity to have a crack at the gen Za anyway.
Here's another sign that working from home is not the answer.
Wells Fargo, you know, the big bank has fired over
a dozen employees in the last few weeks for pretending
to be at their computers when they're not at their computers.
Right now, you can do this hard way, or when
you want to pretend to be at your computer when

(23:28):
you're not, you can do it the hard way or
the easy way. The hard way is that you have
to be near your computer and you just have to
keep moving your mouse every now and again while you
read a book or play on your phone or watch
a movie or whatever. The easy way is that you
get these really easily obtainable tools. Right you can get
the stuff on Amazon from about twenty bucks American software
or hardware, which are of the two. You go for it,

(23:50):
and you would put it on your computer and it
makes it look like your mouse is moving and your
keyboard is typing when it's not. It just basically keeps
your computer from going into sleep mode. That's what these
people were using. They were doing that they were creating
the impression that they were working. They weren't working. They
got the sack, Very Soper. Next sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Five politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Certainday, very sober, senior political correspondence with us. Now, Hey, Barry,
Good afternoon, Heather. Forty years to the day since the
snap election was called. Seems like yesterday, doesn't it. Just you'll, mate,
Muldoon was still alive.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
Well, I'd remind you listeners.

Speaker 10 (24:26):
The reason why it was called was Marilyn Wearing was
supporting the Labor parties proposed nuclear free New Zealand policy,
and the majority was so slim that Muldoon decided that
he wouldn't take the chance. I became known as the
Schnap's election after I interviewed him daily during the campaign.

(24:46):
But I was up at Government House when he prorogued Parliament,
and my memory of it was the Government House butler
ferrying into a little anti room of the entrance a
glass of scotch, and he did that several times, and
by the time that Muldoon emerged onto the steps at

(25:07):
Government House was only myself and another reporter there. He
was absolutely incoherent and the Governor General, David Beattie. He
had to take over the interview whilst Muldourn was bundled
into his lted limo taken back to Parliament to sober up. Now,

(25:27):
when Muldoon got back to Parliament, they worked to sober
him up, there's no doubt about that. Before he faced
the media en mass. This is probably his most immortal slur.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
We got a date, the fourteenth of July, which we've
worked out at Government Houses being the appropriate date.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
It doesn't give you much time to run up to
an election, prom Minister.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
Doesn't give my appunished much time to run up to
all election, does it?

Speaker 7 (25:55):
I certainly didn't.

Speaker 10 (25:57):
And I remember the Tom Scott cartoon that appeared in
the news for the next morning. It was Muldourn waking
up in bed next to his wife was there, but
he used to call a Tam waiting waking up with
the party hats on the bed and the streamers and
Muldourn looking at Tam saying did I say something about
a snap election last night? And it was probably very true.

(26:19):
But the drinking continued through the campaign and on the
Thursday night when he wrapped up his campaign, I remember
he arrived at the Auckland town Hall and he was
batting off protesters and I said to him, Prime Minister,
can I interview you about the election campaign and how
it's gone. He said, ash, come and see me in

(26:42):
my room an hour after.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
I've finished speaking.

Speaker 10 (26:44):
I think that was his biggest mistake, because by the
time I got there, he was slumped in an armchair,
little wists of hair hanging over his shoulder, tie undone,
and lying on the floor by his side was nept
bottle of red wine. I gin reflected as radio reporters do,

(27:06):
and put a microphone up to his mouth and I said, Primers.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Do you think you've won the election?

Speaker 10 (27:13):
He goes, he waved, waggles his head from side to side,
and I said, Prime, as to this is radio, you've
got to speak. Ask the question again. Do you believe
he won the election? Marldon goes Nope, and I thought,
my god, I've got an absolute scoop here, And of
course he was.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
He was conceding defeat.

Speaker 10 (27:32):
On the Thursday night before the election, all my colleagues
had repaired to the bar at the hotel because they
hadn't fortunately got an interview with Muldoon. He was on
radio first thing the next morning.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
You ran it the next morning.

Speaker 10 (27:45):
Oh, we ran it the next morning. He called a
press conference at eight o'clock and he are sitting in
the front row of the press conference and he denied
all knowledge of the interview, which was probably true. Probably
couldn't remember me.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Say that it was taken out of.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
Context, and that he might have said was taken out
of context.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
I said, but Prime Minister I was there. You said
it to man.

Speaker 10 (28:06):
No, no, no, you twisting things again, mister Soper. So
and that was the end of it. And it was
the end of Muldoon of course, that snap election. Roger
Douglas I heard you referred to earlier. Interestingly, he laid
what became the economic foundation for New Zealand. And without
that foundation being laid, this country probably would have been

(28:27):
in an even worse state than it is today because
we haven't wavered from that through various hues of government.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yep, absolutely, Hey, Willie Jackson, So will he believes everything
was just absolutely ten sweet it does.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
I mean, it's incredible that he was on AM this
morning on TV three and he was bitter about the
Coalition government scrapping the climate change initiative. Hey Wakanoa and
he said, to years of work, everybody had come together.
He seemed confused though, when he claimed that farmers had

(29:08):
agreed to the Emissions Trading Act coming into force for
them next year. Haven't listened to what he had to say.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Twenty one years ago, all the nut jobs right coming
up the steps of Parliament. We get this wonderful Prime
Minister just In and he says, I don't want that anymore. Industry.
We're going to work together. All the industry heads come together,
Federated farmers you know, beef lamb and beef for the
Maley Federation of all that. Everyone comes together. We work
on an agreement where the industry actually looks like it's

(29:37):
going to pay its way. It's sadly our environmentalist kill us.
Some of the nutjob farmers say no, no, no, But
we actually had an agreement, we had a commitment. We
had a wonderful Prime minister and just Into a journe
who started this.

Speaker 7 (29:50):
Talk about being out to luncheon twenty one years ago.

Speaker 10 (29:52):
Just to remind listeners that it was another man, but
with the name of the turn. It was Shana Dern
Shane who drove Myrtle his massy Ferguson. But this was
the day of politics. It was great, drove it up
the front steps of Parliament to oppose what they then
called the fart taxt yes, and he was ushered out

(30:16):
on the plane.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Will He's going to have to find a new way
of trying to convince voters to vote for the Labor
Party again, because reminding us that the Prime Minister was
wonderful is only going to repel us further. A winning
stress not going to do his chances in hand all
of her. Then no, hey, thank you, Barry. Will wrap
the political week that was at quarter past six again
Barry so Per, senior political correspondent putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:40):
Retirement Commission has got a bunch of ideas to boost
our qv Saber potterfole contribution should be rising from three
to four percent. Employers match that. Sam Stubbs, founder of
course of the que Saber Scheme Simplicity, is back with us.
Her ideas and your ideas do they align broadly or not?

Speaker 16 (30:53):
Not perfectly? Mike, I mean I think she wants contributions
to rise one percent. But if you look at IZI
there paying twelve percent, So you have got five times
our population, but they've got thirty five times our savings,
so we're not saving nearly enough. But she has to
introduce this idea gradually because you know it starts to
a cost a living crisis. She was to say that
give we save the contributions to go from three to twelve.
Send everybody would.

Speaker 15 (31:13):
Laugh back Monday from six am, The Mike Asking Breakfast
with Jaguae News Talk zib B.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Here the Willy's on crack. The government wouldn't listen to anyone.
Willy is on crack. I mean he's not like, I
don't mean like literally WILLI is on crack. Willie's not
literally on crack. Willy is metaphorically on crack, but he
has been for a very long time. You know how
Willy's metaphorically on crack. You know how you know that
because he's saying literally the opposite of Chris Hopkins. Right,
So he's saying, at the moment, oh, it's wonderful, everything

(31:40):
was wonderful, we had this wonderful agreement. Oh it's just great.
Well today Chris Hopkins was at Field Days and he
spoke to our mate Jamie McKay on the country and
he revealed in fact, things had got so bad by
the time he became Prime Minister, like when he took
over from just into the relationship with farmers was so
bad they couldn't do anything.

Speaker 8 (32:00):
The relationships were not in a place where we could
have some of the constructive conversations that we needed to
be having. And so part of being here is there's
a chance for us to change that.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Okay, we're trying to suck up to farmers. Willy stop, stop,
stop playing. It's not going to work for Willy to
be playing the old revisionist game, is it? Because I
think too many of us have brains in this country. Anyway,
maybe he doesn't surround himself with many of us, but anyway,
berg Rugby weekend. By the way, we're going to talk
a bit about the rugby in the next hour or

(32:30):
so because we've got a big rugby weekend for Wellington
because tomorrow night the Hurricanes will be hosting their first
rugby semi final at Sky Stadium in eight years. That's
a long time between drinks for the Hurricanes. We're going
to play the Chiefs, so that's a tough game. The
Chiefs are on pretty good form this year. I'm going
to have a chat to Cory Jane. Cory Jane is

(32:51):
now part of the team's coaching setup. He will be
with us in about twenty minutes time. But straight after
the news talking to Nicole McKee about what she wants
to do with the gun law and then after that
Health New Zealand on how on earth they can possibly
put in a hiring freeze. Right now, News.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to Zeeland Drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected and News.

Speaker 16 (33:32):
Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Good afternoon. The government has committed to completely overhauling our
gun laws. In the next steps, the Firearms Safety Authority
will be transferred from the police to a government department
and the entire armzac rewritten. Nicole McKee is the Associate
Minister for Justice responsible here. Hey Nicol, Hi, how are
you doing?

Speaker 17 (33:50):
Heather?

Speaker 3 (33:51):
I'm very well, thank you. So do you want to
take the cops out of the licensing process?

Speaker 5 (33:55):
He thought?

Speaker 17 (33:56):
We want to remove New Zealand police from the administration,
regulation and policy making with firearms and allow them to
focus on enforcement of our laws and getting the gangs
away from the guns.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Why do you want to take them out of it?

Speaker 17 (34:12):
Well, there is quite low trust and confidence with New
Zealand police and the licensed firearm owning community. I want
to make sure that when we do a full rewrite
of the impact, that we have something that's fit for
purpose and that people can feel trust and security. At
the moment, I don't think that they feel that, and
nor has that trust and confidence been rebuilt over the

(34:34):
last four or five years. In fact, it's got worse.
We're seeing gangs with guns commit more crimes than ever before,
and we want police to focus on that as part
of their core business and move away from the policy
and regulation.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
So you'd be transferring it to is it the DIA.

Speaker 17 (34:50):
We're going to look where the best fit is going
to be and that could be the Department of Internal Affairs.
That's the first stop that we're going to look at,
but it may not be the end place for it,
but we will ascertain where the best fit is going
to be because we've got to make sure also that
police are able to access information to go after the criminals.
So we've got to make sure that we can have

(35:11):
those lines of communication open so that police can still
do their job.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Part of assessing whether a person can get a license
is to see whether they're a fit and proper person
to be able to handle a gun and be trusted
with a gun. Right, isn't it isn't a police officer
a better place to make that kind of a judgment
call rather than a gray suit from the DIA.

Speaker 17 (35:30):
Well, at the end of the day, we have the
criteria that they need to sit into and a lot
of that comes about by filling in the application form
and then doing the interviews. So really, if anybody can
ascertain with the somebody fit and proper by looking at
past history and also looking at the people that they're
working with, now, it doesn't need to be a police officer,

(35:52):
it needs to be an intelligent person.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Now, listen on you, are you still committed to getting
rid of the gun register?

Speaker 17 (35:58):
Look, I would love to get rid of the full registry.
The way that it's being implemented, I personally don't think
that it sits for purpose. But at the end of
the day, we're in a coalition government and some of
my coalition partners think that it is so we've we're
committed with each other to have a review to check
whether it is cost effective, whether it is contributing to

(36:20):
public safety, whether we are getting full compliance, and whether
it's fits for purpose. So at the end of the day,
I've committed to looking at what the review shows us
and whether or not we needt to make changes, and
I hope my coalition partners will be on the same
track with that.

Speaker 16 (36:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
The reason I ask you that is because there is
a story in the papers. It was in the Herald
just about I think it might have been Monday, and
it was a case of a seventy five year old
Aucklaman and his daughter who'd bought thirteen firearms in three
months from Gun City as straw buyers. Right, So they
go and they buy the firearms and really they just
give them to the gangs and stuff like that. That's
the kind of thing the gun register should stop, right.

(36:58):
So isn't there some value in that?

Speaker 17 (37:00):
I think that there is. And when I said that
a campaigned on not having a full registration system, I'd
also said that it was really important that we continue
the registry for pistols endorsements holders as well for the
collectors and make sure that we get the dealers into
a digital system. So at the moment, the dealer's registry

(37:22):
has been paper based, and I think the straw buying
that we're seeing we need to have that digitalized. What
I don't agree with is the full registry of firearms,
which is your a category. We've standard firearms, because we're
hearing from police that half the firearms that are being
seized don't even have serial numbers on them anymore.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
So are we.

Speaker 17 (37:42):
Trying to create an ambulance at the bottom of a
hill or if we just had a mudslide and actually
everything's getting buried, So we need to have a look
at what's circle purpose. But hither I do agree digitalizing
the dealer licensing system into a registry will be helpful
not only for police but formmunity safety as well.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Call Nicole, thank you so much, appreciate your time. That's
Nicole McKee, Associate Minister for Justice.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Together do for see.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Health New Zealand has ordered a hiring freeze on all
non frontline roles. In an internal email, the chief executive
Marji Upper told staff that Health New Zealand had to
reduce spending because it's already over budget for the financial year.
Andrew Slater is Health New Zealand's Chief People Officer.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
High Andrew, Hey, Heather, Okay.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
How long are you pausing recruitment?

Speaker 18 (38:26):
Yeah, look, we're just pausing recruitment while we make sure
that we get the frontline moving. We've had a national
approval process on those roles for the last few months,
and then we'll be looking at the non frontline roles
been on pause while we set our budgets for the
coming financial year.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
When does your financial year start?

Speaker 18 (38:47):
The financial year starts in a couple of weeks. That
pauses likely to be on just as we enter July
August as.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Well, Why into August as well.

Speaker 18 (38:58):
Yes, so, look, what we need to do is just
make sure that we get the frontline recruitment moving and
then while we do that, the non frontline related roles
are paused, while we have a national review, make sure
roles are still needed and go from there.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Okay, that sounds fine, but the salary the Association of
Salary Medical Specialists says this is affecting the front line.
They say they've got members who've not been able to
recruit pedatricians, cardiologist, obstetricians, gynecologists, cancer specials, specialists in public
health physicians, So why can't they get people?

Speaker 18 (39:35):
Yeah, so, look what we've had in place over the
last couple of months as an approval process, that was
approving recruitment on our frontline hospital roles. What this pause
does that we're doing at the moment while we regroup
is moving those recruitment decisions back down to local hands.
And we're putting the pause and the other approval processes

(39:57):
on our non non hospital, non front line.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Okay, when are the people going to be able to
themselves approve hiring somebody like a cardiologist.

Speaker 18 (40:06):
Look, that will occur as we get our budgets in place.
But those decisions through that local recruitment for our hospitals
and thens will start being made locally from next week.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Oh good, nobody can complain about that, Andrew, Thank you
very much, Andrew Slater, Chief People Office the Health New Zealand.
So hopefully all those those jobs will be able to
be filled from next week when they're basically able to
do it again. Hither, the gun Registry didn't stop the
straw man buying thirteen guns, So I don't see what
your point is. Hold on though, Hold on though the
straw man bought the firearms in twenty twenty two, wasn't

(40:38):
the gun registry only set up last year, so he
was buying the fire so hopefully the gun. My point remains,
the gun Registry should prevent this because it's now in place.
He was doing this beforehand, wasn't he. Let's talk to
Corey Jane next about the rugby fourteen past five. Hey,
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Speaker 1 (42:02):
Heather duper Cela Fether.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm a senior secretary for a large hospital department. Yesterday
I tried to order a new mousepad. It was declined
due to there being no budget even the mousepad. Eighteen
past five. Now it's a big weekend for rugby in
the Capitol. Tomorrow, the Hurricanes are going to host a
Super Rugby semifinal at Sky Stadium for the first time
since twenty sixteen. Now the Hurricanes are top of the table,

(42:25):
but the opponents, the Chiefs, have had a pretty solid
season themselves. Hurricanes legend Cory Jane is now part of
the team's coaching set up. Hey, Corey, Hello, are you
guys going to win?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
I hope so that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
I mean that's not a lot of confidence. Are you confident?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah? Real confident? Boys? About a break a week and
a great work of training, understanding what we need to
do as a team. And also the excitement of getting
the semifinal at home. You know that doesn't guarantee a win,
but I'm exciting to play in front of your else.

(43:00):
So boys, end up, do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
It's going to be a sellout?

Speaker 5 (43:03):
I wouldn't have a clue. Would be nice if it was.
It was close to it. You know, when you get
especially two teams like you know, the Kings and the Chiefs,
and both teams really play some great rugby and it's
excited team to watch. Teams want to win, especially when they,
like I said, they want to play rugby and it's
going to be physical and it's an afternoon game. You know,

(43:26):
there should be no reason why it shouldn't be packed,
But we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
How much of a loss is it to lose Avi
and EuMA.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Yeah, it's a tough one and I feel for him.
He's been he's been awesome for us this year and
his rugby has just grower. He was always a dynamic
ball runner, but you look at him scrummaging that's been unbelievable.
And his defensive work to go with running with the

(43:58):
ball has been have been outstanding. And you know, I'm
biased because I get to coach and I see him
every day. But he's the best, we said in the
country at the moment, I believe when you put everything
in in the bowl. So you've got it for him
that he's injured, and you know it's it's a shame,
but you know, we just got a next man up

(44:20):
of mentality, and you know, the next boys have got
big boots to film.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
This past season, we've spoken a lot about you guys
being really really strong contenders for the champions, also the
Blues being strong contenders. But have we maybe been underestimating
the Chiefs web.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Uh, Well, we haven't. The public and the people that
talk about rugby potentially put us. I've seen him. Then
they're slowly building and you know, they've got a team
that can not only well the one that's coming out
on the weekend, with their forward pack that are explosive

(44:55):
and dominant, and if they get that right and then
I let Mackenzie, those packs have a bit of time
and space and it's going to be it's gonna be
a tough game. So yeah, you know, everyone talked about
the Blues being physical, and while they should have and
you know, chet at us, but you know, I definitely
the cheaser have been here the last couple of years

(45:18):
and you know, team hasn't changed too much. So if
we're not going to respect them, and if people aren't
going to respect how they can play, then they could
get up.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
And by hey, what do you reckon of the shake
up of the playoffs for next year? You up for that?

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Mat love it, I'd love the I just think it's
too much much with you know, with the amount of teams.
You know, I've been saying here and I don't know
what they're going to do, but I mentioned about you know,
maybe the two top teams getting to buy if they
finished one and two they've kind of earned it and
they getting to buy and it could be a scene,

(45:54):
you know, playoffs, But I just think with the amount
of teams and the competition is probably just too much
to have into the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah, totally, I'm with you on that, Corey. Thank you
so much appreciated. Corey Janes, Hurricane's assistant coach. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplasicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
As said be and I'll tell you what AI is
getting weird. I've got a yarn to tell you about AI.
Will get to that. Five twenty five, I've got some
good news for you actually, Brook van Velden has officially
announced she's starting the process of overhauling the Health and
Safety Act. Now you might remember David Seymour let it
slip last week when he was on the show. He
sort of let it slip out that she was going
to do the Health and Safety Act. But now we've

(46:38):
got the official kickoff. It is happening. She's starting with
a road show, she says, but she's going to go
around the country just listening, just wanting to hear what
businesses and workers are up against with stupid health and
safety rules. And let me tell you there will be
no shortage of yarns for her toy here, am I right?
Like the yarn from the East coast after cyclone Gabriel,
where the locals and their janmned were getting in mucking

(47:01):
in clearing out the silt, but the precious soldiers weren't
allowed to help. They weren't allowed to get in there
and clear the celt out because they didn't have full
protective gear because of health and safety rules. Or maybe
she'll get the yarn from the Bay of Plenty, where
she might hear how the police wouldn't go and save
people trapped on an active volcano and at risk of
dying because of the health and safety rules. Or maybe

(47:22):
when she goes down to Nelson, she'll hear about m
Zta and how they stopped dealing to the weeds on
the roundabouts and the traffic islands because it wasn't safe
for the contractors to go there and mow the weeds
because of the cars. It was too many cars, so
they couldn't go on the berm. They couldn't mow the weeds,
and making it safe for them to be able to
do this was just so expensive because of the health
and safety rules. In the end, you know what they

(47:43):
did in Nelson in one spot, they just pulled out
all the vegetation and they poured concrete instead. So now
instead of all the nice bushes and stuff like that,
they've just got concrete pads because it was easier because
of the health and safety rules. And maybe she'll also
hear from the New Zealand Initiative who will tell her
that we've gone so overboard with scaffolding around our houses
that preventing a scaffolding injury now costs three times the

(48:05):
amount of money that we put into preventing a road injury.
There will be no shortage of stories for Brook van Balden,
and hopefully it won't take long for her to realize
the whole thing does need to be scrapped and done
again and done better.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Heather Duper see Ellen Now really.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Interesting argument from Gregor Paul, who's a sports writer for
The Herald. He reckons the Blues need to win the
Super Rugby comp this weekend, well this year actually, because
it's not this weekend. They're going to win it, but
they need to win it this year because it might
help save the game. Because he reckons, the problem with
rugby is, I mean, the problem with rugby is across
the whole country, but particularly acute in Auckland because the foothold,
he says, in Auckland is tenuous and slipping because Auckland

(48:41):
is increasingly a city that's full of migrants, right, and
migrants don't have this kind of emotional connection to rugby
that the rest of us inherit, and so as a result,
it's like not automatically into it. And so for more
than a decade now, enz R has been really trying
very very hard to try to get Auckland back into
rugby and it doesn't appear it doesn't appear to be
working anyway. His argument is simply Auckland needs to fall

(49:04):
in love with the Blues again. The sports title is
going to be with us shortly. We'll have a chat
to them about that.

Speaker 19 (49:09):
Newstalksb hard questions, strong opinion, ever duper see allan drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Let's get connected and news talk Z be.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
You for.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
So em back. Heather is Brook also going to look
at the excessive number of cones around roadworks. Yes, actually
she is. Heather. The road cone man is not going
to be happy with this review because he's got twenty
million road cones on our roads and he's not gonna
want them coming back in. That's fair enough from Evan,

(49:51):
because you've got them out there making money that you
come back and we're going to store them. That's a
difficult thing. Well, we can all help because everybody appears
to have a road cone somewhere near their home at
the moment, upper poll in the bush. Who knows? Now,
As I told you, I want to tell you what's
going on with AI. AI is getting weird, like a
really weird, right. We've had people who are like aiing
their dead fathers and having conversations with them, like weird

(50:14):
stuff like that. He's another installation of it getting bizarre.
So there is a version of AI. Well is it
a version of AI. It's like a creation of AI
called Dan, and Dan is a bloke on AI that
you can basically date online. Dan stands for do anything
now because Dan will do anything. By the sounds of things,

(50:34):
I thought he was just flirting. But Producer Law says
to me, it's dirty talk that you can get from Dan,
like it goes a lot further. Anyway, what happened is
Dan is what they consider a jail break version of
chat GPT. It bypasses some of the basic safeguards that
have been put in place by open Ai, like not
using sexually explicit language. Hen's the dirty talk. Great. So

(50:55):
they put all these rules and they were like chat
GPT will not do these things, but if you ask
it to do certain things using certain prompts, it actually
can get around these rules. And apparently it's the Chinese
women who are loving Dan the most because they think
real world men suck. They think real world men suck.
Thirty year old Lisa from Beijing is currently studying computer

(51:17):
science in California. She says she's been dating Dan for
three months. She says she and Dan speak for at
least half an hour every day, They flirt, they even
go on dates. Dan has given her a sense of
well being, which is what draws her to Dan. He
will just understand, he will provide emotional support, she says.
She says even her mum has accepted this absolutely bizarre
situation because she is sick and tired of her daughter's
trials and tribulations in the dating life, and as long

(51:38):
as the daughter's happy, she doesn't really care whether the
Dan is real or not. Now we don't know for
sure who made Dan, but an American student who goes
by only his first name Walker has taken responsibility. In
some media interviews, he says he came up with the
idea because he was on Reddit and everybody was talking
about trying to make evil versions of chat GPT, and
so he made Dan to be more neutral. So he

(51:59):
went on and basically how he created Dan as he
went on Reddit and he posted a series of instructions
for people if they want to create Dan, this is
how you create Dan. And so they did and they
made their own versions and Dan has become much bigger
than what Walker ever thought that Dan would be. The
interesting thing about Dan is that he has busted through
AI's guardrails, which is not supposed to happen. So open

(52:22):
ai does not talk about Dan. The BBC did a
big piece on Dan. They wrote to open Ai. They've
sent some questions and they were like, can you talk
about Dan? Open Ai just never responded at all. And
if you want to know how popular dan is. This week,
the hashtag dan mode has been viewed more than forty
million times on just one Chinese social media site alone.

(52:43):
So if you happen to be one of the people
who does not think that's weird, and you've got a
lot of time this weekend, now you know what you're
gonna do with it, don't you. Twenty one away from.

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Speaker 7 (53:06):
It's all over, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 16 (53:08):
Here in Hamilton, the Chiefs have run out the winners
forty three points to tweety one.

Speaker 14 (53:13):
And the Blues March John and Super Rugby Spacific now
host a semi final final score in Wellington Hurricanes forty
seven rebels tweety.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Poor tournament the black Caps and were then underdone.

Speaker 8 (53:29):
Underdone chicken, because you can't have underdone kind of beef,
even underdone pork.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
You can hear them, yep, but you can't have underdone chicken.
Right on the sports tattle with us this evening, we've
got Paul Ellison news talks. There'd be rugby commentator and
Elliot Smith News Talks. He'd be rugby commentator who is
actually at the Blues Brummy semi final live from Eden
Park and you can listen on gold Sport later tonight.
Hallo you too, Oh yeah, Paul, are you disappointed in
the black Caps?

Speaker 20 (53:53):
Disappointed you? Particularly after the form and recent T twenty competitions.
They are semi finalists two years ago, they were semi
finalist in two sixteen runners up.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
In twenty one.

Speaker 20 (54:04):
We knew they'd go and underdone because the warm up
games that they had planned were or they asked for
them to be actually delayed because most of the players
were still at the IPL so they couldn't get delayed games.
They're blaming the weather, poor preparation of pitchers to be
able to get the preparation they needed over there. But
I think they'd had to have a good hard look
at the planning that they did going into it and

(54:25):
the fact that they're doing. They're coming home, they'll be
coming home after Tuesday's match. They've got Uganda and Papa
and New Guinea and yeah, it's been a Richard Tournament
for them.

Speaker 21 (54:34):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
It sounded to me as if the players had actually
asked for a break instead of playing the warm up matches.

Speaker 20 (54:43):
Well, that's not my understanding, but you could be right.
I thought that they had a schedule in place, but
it didn't work to the availability of players because there
was nine of them still tied up with the IPL
on duties, and they said there was a logistical challenge
in getting the team together in the Caribbean. Now the
competent and started on the second of June. Our first
match was on the eighth of June, so there was

(55:04):
a six day window there where perhaps they could have
had a match against somebody, didn't take it and it
showed them their performances they've been Richard.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, what have you heard, Alliott? Have you heard that
they just didn't have the opportunity or that they actually
didn't want to.

Speaker 22 (55:17):
Oh, I've heard that they didn't have the opportunity. But
it's quite bizarre given they started their campaign so late
compared to everyone else. A lot of teams played two
games by the time the black Cats took to the field,
so you'd think there'd be a window to have a game.
They went and underdone. But it feels like they've sort
of been on the precipice of something like this. For

(55:37):
a wee bit. The golden generation that we've been treated
to has shown signs of creaking over the last a
few summers, and I thought it might come at last
year's World Cup, but they got to the semi finals
at that fifty over tournament. This time around, it feels
like some of the floors that have been developing in
this team have begun to be exposed and ultimately missing

(55:59):
out on the the knockout stages or the souper rates
is a failure when it comes to a black Caps
team give its cut throat. Only two teams go through,
but the black Caps should have been part of that
conversation and they're not.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Ellie. Is this just the future of the game, that
the IPL and all the money making things are going
to trump the national side?

Speaker 12 (56:17):
Ye?

Speaker 22 (56:18):
And I think the International crick Council needs to stand
up there and carve out windows where there are protected
international events and series and you can play internationals there
and you can have your T Twins's, your Indian Premier
League's your United States, what's it's your Chinese Premier League?
Whatever you're going to get. You have those in separate windows,

(56:39):
but you protect the international game. So I think you
need to the ICC needs to stand up and take
some more responsibility. But so to New Zealand Cricket at all. Honestly,
it feels like they've probably been a little stuck in
the mud with the way they play the T twenty
game over the last few years. It's very conservative. What
is a fast paced tournament and I think there's some

(56:59):
selection who's there and perhaps you know, splitting up the
coaching across the board might be a good move for
the Black capt gone interesting to take care.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Hey, Paul, do you reckon the Warriors have made the
right call putting Seawan Johnson back into half back.

Speaker 20 (57:13):
Well, it's a tough call for Andrew Webster, but I
think you've got to have him on the field somewhere.
He's the only one that was still there when they
last beat the Storm back in two fifteen. We know
how class he can be. You've got Martin moving out
one position. He's been so good in the last three
weeks when Shawn john Johnson's been out injured and the
fact that they've won three games in a row. He

(57:33):
assisted had four assists against the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
But I think you've got to.

Speaker 20 (57:36):
Have both them on the field, So I don't have
a problem with what they've done and it'll be an
absolute rip slaughter of a game tomorrow night. In fact,
we've got a great weekend of sport in front of us.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Yeah, what do you reckon?

Speaker 10 (57:46):
Elliot?

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Would you have made the same call?

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (57:48):
I would have. But I think the key is finding
a way where they can actually play alongside each other
in ankev responsibility because what we saw before Johnson was injured,
that was everything was running through him. In tonight, Martin
was pretty much left with nothing to do and it
was all becoming a little too predictable that the attack
was running through Sean Johnson. And in the last few
weeks we've seen Tomighty really step up. But you know,

(58:10):
the key is them both on the park and have
that dual threat where you're keep in the opposition guessing
and attack could either go one side of the park
or the left that's or all the other. That's the
key for the Warriors, and if they can work harmoniously
on the park, then I think it's a good move
and I can see why Andrew Webster has gone with it.
Proof will be in the putting as it always is,
but you can't leave a guy like Shawn Johnson out

(58:31):
now he's fit again.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
No, I suppose you can't. Really, We'll take a break.
Come back to you guys shortly quarter.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
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Speaker 3 (58:42):
Right, you're back on the sports huddle. Elliott Smith's with
us and Paul Allison, Elliott Griggle. Paul reckons that the
Blues have to win for the sake of rugby and
New Zealand. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 23 (58:51):
No, not particularly like I think what we've seen over
the course of the season, as there's been a higher
TV engagement than there has been for recent times, crowds up.
But I get why you want to get some success
in the Auckland market, but I don't see it as being,
you know, the be all and end all. If the
Blues don't win Super Rugby this season, I think, you know,

(59:11):
Hurricanes and the Wellington region equally important. So to Hamilton.
I don't think there's a bad outcome as long as
it's a New Zealing team lifting the trophy next weekend
and not the one from the act.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Because Elliott, I mean, he makes he makes it a
convincing argument, but I don't think it necessarily follows right.
I don't think that if the Blues win, suddenly Auckland
falls in love with rugby again, because I haven't seen
any sign that their success throughout the season has made
us like it anymore.

Speaker 23 (59:37):
No, I don't think so either. We saw the Blues
go all the way to the final a couple of
years ago and ride that wave then, and they were
selling out crowds. They didn't win ultimately then, but as
long as they're in the mix every year, I think
that's all you can ask from a Blues perspective. I
don't think that the magic tonic of them lifting the
trophy next weekend is going to get bums on seats
and kids out playing rugby. It might help, but I

(59:58):
don't think it's going to get those fans converted away
from league or whatever you want. So I don't think
it's the bell and end or if the Blues don't
win next week. It's certainly a good boost for rugby
in the region, but it would be the same for
any region in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Paul, You're going to be rouging for the Blues, aren't you.

Speaker 20 (01:00:17):
I've got my hanky out. Actually, when I heard that story,
I can't see how that makes any sense at all.
Sure it might invigorate the support of rugby in Auckland,
but you look back through the last decade or more,
when the All Blacks have won a couple of World Cups,
you've had names likes of Richie mccawr and Aaron Smith
and Sam Whitelocke and Brody Metallic and Dan Catter and

(01:00:38):
Conrad Smith and Beensmith and the Barretts. They've all come
from country areas. They haven't come from the Blues country
and New Zealand rugby's done pretty well without it. Two
thousand and three. I think the Blues last won the
proper super rugby competition. It's twenty one years ago and
New Zealand rugby's done okay since then. So you know,
I've still got my hanky out and wipe my tears
away to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Be honest, tone you got on?

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Do you reckon that the Saudis can pull off this
unified boxing league.

Speaker 23 (01:01:02):
Well, they've got enough money to throw at it, don't they.
I think it's something that boxing does need. In honesty,
there's too many confusing belts. No one seems to know
what it means. You look at the UFC and it's
very clear. If you win a UFC title, you are
the UFC champion. If you win a boxing title, you
might be the IBF, WBOWBF, whatever initialism you were looking at,

(01:01:24):
you win one of those. No one seems to know
what everything is going on. All the money now goes
through Saudi Arabia. Forget Las Vegas. Boxing doesn't work there.
There's not enough money there anymore. If there's anyone that
can do it, they are, dear friends in Saudi Arabia
can do it. They're pretty much taking over world sports.
So hey, maybe this is a good thing. Maybe unifying
you know, the boxing titles might be some good form

(01:01:44):
of sports washing.

Speaker 11 (01:01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
I mean that's a fair point, isn't it, Paul. If
anyone can do it, it's them.

Speaker 20 (01:01:48):
Yeah, four or five million US dollars they're talking about
injecting into this, and you know, you talk about all
those initially had to look at what they were. A
World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, World Boxing Association, world
boxing organization. Each one have their own rules, each one
have their own championship, belts. It's so sort of scattered
and split and spread out that if they can pull

(01:02:09):
this together with that money, I think actually it's a
good thing both for the sport and for the spectator.
So yeah, I'm actually for it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
I'd love to see it.

Speaker 20 (01:02:16):
They've done it with golf, that've done it with Formula one,
They've done it with football. They're looking to do it
for cycling, money talks and sport. I think they'll pull
it off.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Ye, good stuff, Allie. You've got a good crowd there tonight.

Speaker 23 (01:02:25):
I think gat's only opened about ten minutes ago, so
there's probably fewer than five hundred people through at the moment.
I haven't heard a number as yet. Hoping it's good
because this could be the last Blues game of the season,
so let's hope that the crowd comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
It's not going to be stopped that night.

Speaker 23 (01:02:41):
Well, seven o'clock on a Friday night. This is not
the ideal scenario for the Lows. This is in the
time slot that we can talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
The Brumbies are useless, the one seven seven in a row,
the Blues of one fourteen League park.

Speaker 20 (01:02:53):
So yeah, I think it'll be a good match in
project the Blues. The Blue should win this one and
march on into the final next week. And here you
go on waking an upset against the Chiefs. So we'll
be at home next week as well. Here you go, alliant,
if we have another game to do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
All right, thank you both really appreciated. Elliott Smith Paul Allison.
By the way, you can listen to Elliot. He's going
to be on gold Sport tonight from seven o'clock, going
to be calling the Blues Brumby semi final live from
Eden Park. It's eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen
drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business
News Talk zib Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
The best number seven and best number eight in the
in the country came from Blues Country, Michael Jones and
and Zenbruk. Your guest needs to take their eye patch off.
A guest comes from down South, so you know you
can't be listening. You can't be a true blue South
Islander and give any credits to Auckland. That just wouldn't
be that wouldn't be kosher. And we just we just
accept that. We just factored that in Heather, you're obviously

(01:03:51):
not aware this is an email that's coming from Ann.
You're obviously not aware of the technology that our eagle
helicopter uses. And I'm not about to elucidate, but the
sweeps of the immediate area close to mutter Copper that
produced no results has opened another can of wounds. So
actually and makes a very good point, so I had
to quit Google. And yes, the eagle does have heat
seeking technology, doesn't it. So the chopper that's been in

(01:04:11):
the sky in mutter Coopper has been flying around and
you will recall at Cayman at night, so presumably it's
been using the old heat seeking stuff hasn't found any
sign of old mate and his kids in the bush,
and therefore can probably rule that out. Now, ants reckons
they can do all kinds of interesting things like cover
themselves a mud and live in a cave.

Speaker 24 (01:04:28):
To be fair, Heather, I'm getting that from the first
Predator movie. So I don't know how Val you doing
all that's right, Snagory covers himself in mud and then
the Predator's heat sensing can't pick him up. I mean,
can you do that in real life.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Yeah, okay, And obviously everybody's watched that, so everybody knows
that you can do that. So maybe they're just one.

Speaker 24 (01:04:41):
Of the police will have watched Predators surely.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And Tom Phillips. So it's still possible that he's in
the bush, but the chances are he's probably not. And it,
come on, it's been two and a half years. He's
probably living living in a farmhouse, working for a farmer somewhere.
You know what I'm saying, We're going to talk to
a kid after six o'clock. By the way, this kid.
A few years ago, I think it was twenty sixteen,
there was a Herald headline that asked whether he might
be New Zealand's smartest team. He was Hamilton High School's Ducks.

(01:05:09):
He may well have been New Zealand's smartest team because
he's now living in New York. He's an entrepreneur. He's
been to Harvard, he's already he's done one business, he
started a second one. Have a little chat to him
shortly about just what it takes to be one of
these kids who just kind of breaks out and gets
out of the lifestyle culture in this country and does
something interesting like that. Just to pick update on the
allegations in that stuff documentary yesterday, who was suggesting that

(01:05:31):
former National MP Jungjong was a Chinese spy and that
China is corroding our democracy. A bunch of current MPs
who belonged to the Inter Party Parliamentary Alliance have written
a letter calling for a Select Committee inquiry into these allegations.
It's signed by the co chairs Ingrid Larry and Joseph Mooney.
They say they worried the good reason to believe that

(01:05:54):
there are more examples than just the examples in the
Stuff documentary, and frankly there would have to be more examples.
But at the State I am unmoved, not really all
that excited about it. I mean I wanted some clear
like I wanted like that guy got kidnapped, you can
that's absolutely for sure, do you know? I wanted something
like that. But it didn't get that anyway. So we
got in touch with him. We called Joseph Mooney from

(01:06:15):
the National Party. He's not because we were like, come
and talk to us about what you saw that freaked
you out. Didn't answer his phone. So then were called
Labor because we were like, can we talk to Ingrid
Leary and they were like, Nah, Ingrid's busy, busy all day,
all day. Can you call Joseph. So we called Joseph
again and Joseph, Joseph's phone is still busy. So we
went back to labor. We were like, hey, can you
give us a letter? No, can't give us a Yeah,

(01:06:37):
I think we'll just put We'll put that one where
it belongs, right, the smart kid next.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing. With the
business hour, we'd hid the duplicy Ellen and my Hr
on news Talks, a'd.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Men coming up to the next hour, Peter Lewis on
whether the Chinese have actually snubbed Australia by visiting US first,
Gavin Gray out of the UK, and Barry Sober will
wrap the political week that was right now it is
seven past six now eight years ago. So mil Sing
was Hamilton High School ducks and a Herald headline asked
whether he might actually be New Zealand's smartest teenager. He

(01:07:19):
just turned down ten of the world's top universities and
decided to go to to Harvard in the end. Fast
forward to today, he's living in New York. He already
has one startup under his belt and he's about to
launch a second. So mil Sing is with us now, SML, Hey,
how's it going?

Speaker 18 (01:07:34):
Very well? Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
No tell me what you reckon? Do you reckon? This
startup is the winner?

Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Look early days.

Speaker 9 (01:07:41):
Still, that's always the hope, that's always the intention with
these things. You know, we're in the space that's growing,
rapidly evolving, and that often creates the right kind of
volatility to really drive a lot of value.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
The space that's growing is AI. Isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:07:55):
AI in all forms? Yep? So in our case it's
the content creation side. And if you look at almost
every sector, there's some really convincing narrative for how these
new foundation models are going to really you know, impact
impact space.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
So what does your business From the sounds of things,
If I was to use it, I would type into
AI kind of like a promotional video that I'd like
it to create, and it would create one up to
is it five minutes long?

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
For me?

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
So right now, a little less than five minutes. It's
really sort of targeted towards short from content most of
the time ninety seconds or less. And in terms of
what it does, it really depends on who you are
as the user. So there are two kinds of users
that we serve. The first as the individual content creator.
So somebody who's you know, a YouTuber or even sort
of a TikToker can use the software to write, as

(01:08:41):
you said, a text prompt and produce really any kind
of video that may or may not be promotional in nature.
And that's sort of the individual creator use case. And
then second lead for businesses and is what we're sort
of rolling out at the moment over the next month
or so. You would use this to create short from
content that promotes your products, and you would use this, uh,
you know, to post organic content on TikTok YouTube, you know,

(01:09:04):
wherever you've previously struggled to have a heights of through
both content. Yeah, so that's that sort of the high
level picture.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Okay, so you managed to get somebody to part with
six million dollars to plug into this, which suggests that
that there are people out there who think this is
a winner.

Speaker 16 (01:09:17):
Right.

Speaker 9 (01:09:19):
Yeah, I think the landscape right now for investing in
you know, tech startups is pretty good and an AI
as well is also really great. You know, we see
a lot of fundraising activity much bigger than this in
the space too, for you know, new startups creating foundation models.
So I'm very fortunate to be in the you know,
we're we're in a great position from sort of the
capital perspective. Yeah, it's just really exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
What happened to your last startup? Did that go well?

Speaker 9 (01:09:45):
So that was sort of a year long sort of stint.
We were building bike sharing software for companies in America
that operate micromobility systems, and we thought that was really
promising direction. But that was sort of in the of COVID,
and COVID essentially shut down the customers that we were
serving and piloting with, and so at that stage we

(01:10:06):
had sort of part ways with that unfortunately, which is
a strange first experience.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
I would say I was probably quite normal for an entrepreneur.
How did you get from Hamilton to where you are
right now? What's the secret source? Do you reckon?

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
I wonder with us sometimes I'm not too sure. I
had the itch to go to Harvard for some reason
from when I was a kid. I think my dad
probably mentioned the name, and somewhere in my mind I
just thought I really wanted to go there. I didn't
really think it was possible. And then you know, I
met some great people a little bit later into my
high school career who gave me some good advice about

(01:10:42):
you know, going going to the States, how you can
kind of apply. And that's when I realized like, oh,
I have the profile to potentially pull this off. And
you know that's how that happened. And then you know,
from there, things just compound. There are really great opportunities
where I went, and you know that sort of helped
me go to you know, Silicon Valley, raise capital, build
a team, and you know, ltimately build this company. So yeah,

(01:11:02):
it's it's it's a it's unclear exactly what the secret forces.
Maybe it was my my my parents sort of somehow
subliminally messaging me when I was when I was young.
I'm not too sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
A wee give the education system in New Zealand a
very hard time. Are we giving it too hard a
time if it's able to send somebody to Harvard?

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:11:23):
I think I think that wasn't really how I thought
about it. I think it was more that, you know,
my my parents are doctor as my older brother he
went to you know, Otago university to you know, study medicine.
And I felt like a lot of my friends wanted
to do medicine, but I didn't. And it was almost
as though I needed to create my own narrative. And
I think that just drove a lot of this activity

(01:11:43):
for me, you know, to partner their disease. Well, I
think that's more what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Yeah, And what you're telling me is a family of
high achievers, which is why you're a high achiever to
mate beast of luck with them. And I really hope
you do super well and become incredibly wealthy and then
we can trade on your name. Somul Singh, founder of
Unfazed dot ai, which is the startup. Now, listen, if
you have been following the p Diddy story lately, you're
gonna know that the rapper, right, the rapper formerly known

(01:12:09):
as puff Daddy, said Sean Coombs whatever he's got a
bunch of names, is in trouble with the cops is
in trouble with the cops for a bunch of reasons,
sexual assaults, illegal activity, has had his house raided, then
he got busted in the hotel CCTV smashing up his
girlfriend and all that kind of Stuff's not a good look.
He might be in even more trouble. Get a load
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(01:12:29):
murder all the way back in nineteen ninety six reckons
P Diddy was the one who ordered the hit. This,
by the way, is the missing piece, because the cops
have already arrested Dwayne keif D Davis for doing the murder,
and they it took them, goodness, I mean twenty twenty
three minus ninety ninety six, almost thirty years. It took
them almost thirty years to arrest Dwayne keif D Davis

(01:12:52):
because they only did it in September last year. But
they didn't still didn't know who had ordered keif D
to do the hit. This cop reckons it was Pead it.
He told New York Magazine that p did. He offered
a million bucks for the hit on both Tupac and
also the producer back in nine and ninety five, the
producer who's with him, he says. During a stop on
the nineteen ninety five Summer Jam tour in Anaheim, Coombs

(01:13:13):
allegedly told a hotel room full of crip gangsters and
that included Davis that he wanted them dude's heads. As
Davis put it, ie for someone to kill twuopuck a Knight.
Combs may have simply been caught up in the moment
tensions were already running high. He was by all accounts
legitimately concerned for his safety. But later Davis said over
lunch in LA that Sewn Combs offered him a million
dollars to get the hit done. According to Davis, he

(01:13:34):
had agreed to the hit, taling Combs, man will wipe
their asses out quick. Davis later told Kating the cop
he would have done it for fifty k.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
So there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Allegation is out fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Dup
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Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Mb AH head back to the cricket. This is a
fair point, Heather. For everyone who's saying that the I
is the cause for the black Caps to have failed,
can I please ask them how teams like India, Australia
Afghanistan are doing so well when their players are also
at the same IPL event. Thank you very much, It's
worth going back to listen to what Mike Hessen, the
former coaches said, because I'm pretty sure it was him
that I heard quoted today as saying that he understood

(01:14:17):
that the players had asked for a rest because, as
you would have heard Paul Allison say, there was a
six day gap where they had finished the one tournament
and they were able to then, you know, go go
get ready for the t twenty and there was no
warm up games played them and come on, you could
just play one, you know, and get yourself into the
pitch and stuff. But from the sounds of things, it
sounds like the players may actually themselves have been like, no,

(01:14:39):
it's been so busy at the IPL, we just want
to rest when the others didn't rest. So you're right,
the problem is not the APL, it's the player's attitude
post the IPL seventeen past six. Now Barry so Pre
senior political political correspondent, will wrap the political week that
was for us. Welcome back, Barry, hello again. Have I
farmers will be feeling the love this week? Gay?

Speaker 7 (01:14:58):
Well, they will be, and what.

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
A time to feel it when you're at the field
days in Hamilton and the government down on Wellington making
all sorts of moves on their behalf, first of all,
taking them out of the ets.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
And that's a big deal for farmers.

Speaker 10 (01:15:13):
Even though, as you heard me say earlier, Willie Jackson
seemed to think there had been a broad agreement on it,
that was never really an agreement on it. Farmers didn't
like it. No one knew how much this tax was
going to be. Farmers are already under the pressure, and
suddenly now a bit of that pressure is off. There's

(01:15:34):
been other things that have taken place as well this
week that will make life a bit easier for farmers,
and I think they should. We should start thinking of
them as treasures, not tyrants are They are the backbone,
the economic backbone of this country. And the sooner we
get used to that, the better because the exports, farming

(01:15:55):
exports way and above outweigh anything else in this country.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
So let's look after them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Basically, we need their money to afford the tilmac buys. Yeah, yes, exactly,
I'd be grateful for it. Absolutely. Hey, do you reckon
the rules need to change that allow currently MPs to
claim an accommodation allowance when they own their own property
in Wellington.

Speaker 7 (01:16:15):
Yeah, I think there's about twenty three that do it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:19):
Essentially, what the taxpayer is doing is paying their mortgages
when they own a property in Wellington. I guess there's
an argument both ways on this. Isn't there that if
they didn't own the house, they would be staying in
an apartment.

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
They have to be paid for. Anyone's not going to render.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Changing the rules will not save us a dollar.

Speaker 10 (01:16:40):
That's right, and because it is a set amount, and
you know, I think that the perception is not a
good one. Looks as though MP's unlike anyone else can
come to Wellington and pay their mortgage off courtesy the taxpayer.
But it's not as simple as that. And Chris Luson
said the beginning of this argument, he said, really it's

(01:17:02):
the remuneration authority to have a look at The Speaker
can look at it, but it's really the remuneration authority
that sets all these rules and regulations. Although the Speaker
does have a fairly significant input to them. But the
old story is heither to change something like this in
a parliament where people are benefiting very difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
So tell me, well, I mean, yeah, absolutely right, they don't.
They're not going to they're not going to deny themselves
in instrum for some free money, do you think, I mean,
they are not doing anything wrong, and it will change
the rules, will not save the taxpayer a dollar. But
for the perception, which is so bad and people clearly
hate it, is that sufficient to change the rules?

Speaker 10 (01:17:46):
I'd say probably no, really, yeah, because it's not saving anything.
And when people understand the reasons why this allowance is paid,
and a lot of people don't, as you say it
to one say a lightly media point the finger at
the politicians for somehow making money on the backs of taxpayers.
It's that they're not doing that. They they work away

(01:18:09):
from their homes, they'd be paying a hotel bill. You know,
there's no benefit in it at.

Speaker 7 (01:18:14):
All for anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Do you not think there is some benefit in just
having just the perception and the problem with the politicians
is they always there is always this perception that politicians
are screwing the scrum in their own favor, feathering their
own ness, and for that reason alone, that is sufficient,
just so that we continue to respect that instant.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:18:33):
I think the problem is, particularly in recent years, that
you've got some people going into parliament that many would
consider a morons and they shouldn't be in the place anyway.
And yet they're earning very good money. What a one
hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year. I've got all
sorts of perks, taxis when they get to the airport

(01:18:54):
into Parliament air fears, I mean, they'd get a lot
of perks, but they've got to get to Wellington's face it. So,
you know, I think people are annoyed that they probably
don't get what they expect out of politicians in their
own area. Not necessarily the government, but when they look
at their own politicians.

Speaker 7 (01:19:15):
Yeah, exactly what are we getting back for that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Okay? Do you think that this Chinese visitor is I mean,
obviously it's a good sign. Is it going to change anything?

Speaker 16 (01:19:22):
Though?

Speaker 10 (01:19:22):
I think it's more of a flagway of being exercise.
I mean the premiere was he was in Australia before
he came here, and it's good. I think, you know,
high level visits like this does say that China takes
New Zealand seriously and values our relationship, and so it should.

(01:19:42):
I mean New Zealand was the first Western country to
get into a major free trade agreement with China. They
recognized China. Remember back in nineteen seventy three, a long
time ago, more than fifty years ago, we were the
first Western country to recognize China. So you know, I
think I think, you know, visits build on a relationship

(01:20:06):
that's pretty strong anyway. And the premier himself, who's a
very powerful man, number two in China, said essentially, what
we have differences and we respect that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Barry, thank you so much, really appreciate you. I'm Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondent rapping the Political Week. It was at
six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Talk said b Yeah, other than Trent Bolt, all of
the other black Caps sat on the bench throughout the IPL.
So there is actually zero excuse. Thank you for that.

Speaker 25 (01:20:39):
Jay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
And somebody said that Lockie Ferguson was posting holiday picks
from Europe on Instagram after the tournament had started. And
the players don't seem to care much about international duty.
Can I just say that players don't care much about
international duty and this is the future because the IPL
right that the big bucks are going to take over
and playing for your country is going to be less important.
Unfortunately as the way it's going to go. Peter lewis

(01:21:00):
going to be with us shortly because the European Union
has gone the way of Biden and imposed some tariffs
on the evs. Not quite as hard, not one hundred percent.
They've gone less than forty percent. He'll give us his
take on that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I told you Ot was involved with that baby in
TEKUITI didn't I before the baby was dead. And the
reason I was like, nah, I think they were involved
was because they weren't being straight up about it. They
were trying as hard as hell to avoid having to
feace up to the fact that they were involved. But
now it's out there because how we know this is
that there was a Facebook post that went a little
bit wild after the funeral last night. After the funeral,

(01:21:32):
the Babes, the baby's mum, who's called Tovalia Law, took
to Facebook to thank all of her family and friends
and everyone who came to the son's funeral, and she
said her son was a happy and adorable baby and
so on, and people just started piling in on it.
And that then prompted another relative to pipe up in
defense of the family, saying that after the incident in October,
the family actually had fought as hard as hell, as

(01:21:53):
hard as we could to keep him home. Now, just
to remind you, what happened in October was the baby
was badly hurt after the dad fell down the stairs
holding the baby, fell down the stairs holding the baby.
The baby went to live with the grandparents, then went
back to the parents after three months. So the family
said after that the family fought as hard as we
could to keep him home. The system failed to provide

(01:22:14):
him with a safe home and we were only given
what was provided by the system, therefore outing the fact
that uding a tamidiki was involved this whole way through, right,
So the media of course were like, hey, OT, what's up.
And OT then sent out a media statement from the
Deputy Chief Executive Disservice Delivery, Rachel Liota, saying that the
agency has now commissioned an assessment of our involvement with

(01:22:36):
the family, which is a standard practice and I'm pleased
to see that they're doing this. As this matter is
the subject of an active police investigation. We can't go
into further details. But that's all you need to know
about this is there's your confirmation OT were involved with
the baby before the baby died. Once again, OT were involved,
but the baby died anyway, So I don't know. I

(01:22:56):
don't know what we do about OT. I don't know
what we do about OT. Really quite useless, aren't they?

Speaker 6 (01:23:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Headlines? Next, and then we're off to Asia to talk
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Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Their question on the text? Yeah, why do we always
beat up on O T? When do the families and
their extended families take responsibility for the safety of their
own FUNO and young ones? Why is the state always
the bad guy? Just saying Andy absolutely fair point. The
reason we beat up on OT in this situation. Look,
if if if something was to happen to a baby
when there's no warning signs and stuff, and what can
you do right there?

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Some people are bad people, but when there have been
warning signs and OT's been involved and fails to take
the baby away. Well, that's a failure in the job,
isn't it. So that's why you get beaten up at
that stage. That's why ot gets beaten up on at
that stage. Just to be absolutely clear who I'm talking
about beating up at the stage. Talk to Gavin Gray

(01:24:17):
out of the UK. In about ten minutes time, former
US President Donald Trump has done an interview with the
controversial YouTuber Logan Paul. Now, if you don't know who
Logan Paul is, Logan Paul shows energy drinks. He takes
part in professional wrestling matches. He videos himself doing wacky
stunts for a living. He's a bit on the edge,
isn't he? So not too much of a surprise then
that he wanted to ask whether the Trump believes in aliens.

Speaker 25 (01:24:38):
I met with pilots like beautiful Tom Cruise, but taller, okay, handsome,
perfect people, sir. There was something there that was round
in form and going like four times faster than my
super jet fighter plane.

Speaker 7 (01:24:55):
And I look at these guys and they really mean it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Yeah, well answered, Actually for Donald Trump, don't you think
put on other people? Twenty three away from seven here?

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
The do for clan.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US Now Peter, Hello,
Hello Hea, Peter. Let me tell you we are fizzling
in New Zealand for the Chinese premieer being here. Are
the Chinese media fizzing as much as we are?

Speaker 21 (01:25:18):
Well, I don't know if they're fizzing as much as
you are, but they're certainly covering it. They see this
as being an important visit and happening at a pretty
crucial time as well. The Chinese state media is focusing
on two things. First of all, on the trade aspects.
This has been very much presented as a trade visit,

(01:25:40):
and also they're making great play of the friendship between
the two countries, between New Zealand and China. The Premier
League is basically saying, look, we've been friends for a
long time. There may have been some disagreements, but we
shouldn't let that become a chasm, he said, and we
shouldn't let that block exchanges and cooperation between us. So

(01:26:01):
that's very much the angle that the media out here
is taking on it. I think mister Luson is going
to New Zealand with a bit of a message for you.
He is, of course focusing on the trade opportunities. But
I think China is also concerned about first of all,
New Zealand taking a stronger role in the Five Eyes Alliance,

(01:26:25):
and in New Zealand has traditionally not been too critical
of China in the past, but China's senses that that
might be changing under this new government. And it's also
concerned about the fact that New Zealand is developing alliances
with other countries in the region. Philippines in particular stands
out as being an area of concern because China has

(01:26:47):
territorial disputes with the Philippines. So I think the message
that when Lee is giving is look, there are all
these trade opportunities. We are a huge market for your
biggest trading partner. Focus on that and don't focus so
much on the politics where we're disagreeing, because if you do,

(01:27:07):
you may find that you don't see so many of
those trade opportunities in the future. So I think that's
the message has gone to New Zealand with.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Hey, speaking of the Philippines, I mean, these guys getting
reasonably assertive with China.

Speaker 21 (01:27:20):
What's brought this on, Well, the change of governments basically
under Tutasi before they were he got very close to
President g Gping and to China. The change of governments
has taken a totally different stance on this, which is
that the Philippines is not prepared to be bullied. It's
not prepared to be pushed around. But also it sees

(01:27:45):
the territory that China is claiming as its own as
being absolutely essential to the philippines survival. They see it
as a described as as an existential threat because these
waters contain mineral a lot of shipping goes through them.
It's absolutely essential to the Philippines's economy and to the

(01:28:06):
philippines future. So they are taking the view that, you know,
we just simply can't afford to let China walk in
and claim what they say is right theirs. And they
refer to the two thousand and sixty Court of Arbitration
which ruled against China's claim in the South China Sea,
and they said that there's simply no basis for what

(01:28:29):
China is claiming. But China rejects that and it has
ignored it so far since.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Hey, what do you make of the fact that Germany
and Sweden and Hungry have all broken ranks of the
EU on those tariffs.

Speaker 21 (01:28:44):
Well, this is very critical in particular for Germany because
you know Germany also its sports actually cars from China.
Some of the cars that manufactures are exported from China.
It's a critical industry to Germany. And they see this
as just going to end up in a trade war

(01:29:05):
which is going to damage everyone. They don't see them
benefiting from this and winning from this at all, and
they see that what China will do to make sanctions
of their own, which is just only going to make
everyone else worse off. Now the manufacturers that the two
countries that are most supporting these sections are France and Spain,

(01:29:27):
and that's because they don't have their own competitive electric
people industry that can really compete with China. The one
country in Europe that probably can come closest to it
is Germany. So that's why there's this big difference at
the moment. And I think what we will find is
when China decides how it's going to retaliate, it's going
to find ways in which it will retaliate most against

(01:29:50):
France and Spain. So things like pork, for example, where
Spain exports a lot of pork to China, things like
cognac and swept. France is a big exporter and they
were trying to avoid the things that are going to
damage Germany, which they see has been Maybe it's ally in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
This fascinating stuff. I Peter, thank you as always really appreciated.
We have a chat to you again next week. Enjoy
your weekend. This is a weird one. There's just so
much weird stuff going on in this world. I kind
of it kind of brings me a little bit of
joy because it makes me feel more normal. There is
a New Zealand woman who has gone public with the
fact that she was stopped going through airport security on
her way to Australia. She was moving to Australia and

(01:30:29):
as she was going through airport security, they stopped her
because she was carrying her heart in a bag. You
heard that right. It was her heart, her own heart.
What had happened is that this woman, Jessica Manning, had
had a heart transplant eight years ago, but she kept
her old heart. And I know what you're thinking at
the stage. You want to know what this heart is like, right,
because it's not going to be the same as when

(01:30:51):
it was in Yeah, is it? I mean, is it decomposing?

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
What is it here?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
She is explaining on TikTok.

Speaker 7 (01:30:57):
Okay, Now do I store it in the fraser?

Speaker 10 (01:30:59):
The answer is no, It is in a double vacuum
sealed bag and actually in the heart, which you can't probably.

Speaker 25 (01:31:06):
See on video, is that there is fluid inside here.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
It is a preservative fluid called formaldehyde, and it prevents
it from rotting, smelling and decomposing. So no, I can't
smell it.

Speaker 17 (01:31:19):
It literally just smells like a plastic bag.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Thank god, it's not read anymore. By the way, it's
now kind of like a pale grayish color because it's
been cleaned during the medical research. The poor guy at
Biosecurity who pulled this out, imagine that you're like, what's
in that? What he had to deal with it?

Speaker 17 (01:31:38):
Biosecurity nearly took it off me because I didn't have
proof that it was mine and things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I mean, fair question, or who else is this going
to be?

Speaker 4 (01:31:50):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
But you know, you never know anyway. Apparently the main
concern that she was bringing in a new disease or
a bio hazard into Australia, but after she explained that
they had was her heart and explain her medical history.
They let her and her heart go, and question is
what does she do with the heart at home?

Speaker 10 (01:32:07):
So I just keep it like I churge it at
the start, in this flap bag and it kind of
just sits up at my wardrobe and all I say
it does floats frown over.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Now, bro, no, do you know what you need to do?
You need to treat it like the placenta, do you
know what I mean? You take it home and you
bury it. Put find somewhere that you really like, like
a tree that you like. I don't know, maybe your parents'
family batch, I don't know, the farm, something like that.
You go yet, plant it, you put a tree over it,
you let it go. You don't only be walking around
with formaldehydeart anymore. That's just weird.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Talks b Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us. Now even
in Gavin, Hi, there given us hungry, you gonna pay this.

Speaker 26 (01:32:54):
Fine At the moment, there's a bit of a standoff
going on. So Hungry is being fined by the European
Union for not following the union's asylum policies. It's a
big fine of the roughly four hundred million New Zealand dollars,
but of course Hungary is a big recipient of funds

(01:33:15):
from the EU, so it's a bit of an in
and out policy this. However, interestingly, the Court, the European's
top court that find Hungary has also issued a one
million euro a day extra charge until it changes its policy.
That's roughly one point six million New Zealand dollars a day. Now,
what basically happen is the European Court of Justices annoyed

(01:33:37):
with Budapest, saying it's in breach of a twenty twenty
judgment across the European Union and has violated its laws
by forcing asylum seekers to travel to Belgrade or Kiev
to apply for a travel permit to enter Hungry. They
are not allowed to do that. They should instead accept
migrants and then process them at that particular point, other

(01:34:00):
than sending them away again. Now, Victor Alban, who's the
Prime Minister of Hungary, very outspoken, quite anti EU, said
the fine has been quote for defending the borders of
the European Union, describing it as outrageous and unacceptable, and
then said it seems that illegal migrants are more important
to the Brussels bureaucrats than their own European citizens. Well,

(01:34:23):
along with the European elections that we've had this week
and a bit of a lurch to the right, sometimes
far right in a couple of countries, Hungary certainly prominent
in the leading voice of the centers now within the EU.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Kevin, how bad are these drug wars in Northeast England getting?

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:34:39):
They appear to be pretty grim, don't they. So we've
had a court case just finished here in the UK
up in Northumbria, that's South Townside, so up to the
extreme northeast of England, where four men have been found
guilty of killing a man during a series of ammonia
attacks that were meant to intimidate rival drug gangs. Now
they basically would and bang on the door, somebody would

(01:35:02):
open it and they would immediately spray them in the
face with ammonia, which is of course highly corrosive, highly poisonous.
In one incident, a young woman who police said was
not meant to be the target lost her eye in
one of the three attacks, such was the level of
toxicity from the ammonia. However, the big headline in this

(01:35:22):
story is that one of the attacks they carried out
did end out in a fatality. In August, two of
the men in the gang knocked on a twenty six
year old's front door, sprayed him in the face before
stealing from inside his home. He was taken to hospital
with life threatening injuries, but he struggled to breathe and
then died a short time later, suffering a cardiac arrest.

(01:35:45):
So the four who have been found guilty, ranging in
ages from twenty two to thirty nine, are now being
sentenced at a couple of weeks time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
What happened to the Yorkshire Football Club's ball?

Speaker 26 (01:35:58):
This is just one of the funny funny story So
of course, lots of the small little football club soccer
clubs here in the UK and in particular Naphaton Youth
Football Club in East Yorkshire so to the north of England,
basically play with footballs that have stamped on them. Napaton
Youth Football Club. Now, they didn't realize any were missing,

(01:36:20):
but they received a contact from Facebook from a beach
walker in Holland who said I've got one of your footballs.
It's washed ashore on the island of Shilling. Well, the
chair and coach of the club, said, how the ball
came to arrive some four hundred miles six hundred kilometers
across the North Sea is one of life's great mysteries,

(01:36:44):
he said. One of the theories is that the possibility
maybe a wayward shot landed in a ditch. The ditch
then became a river, The river then swept out for sea,
and then the tide did the rest. But we simply
don't know. And the man who found the football on
Shilling just said he couldn't believe when he read it
that had come from the UK. They incidentally, don't believe

(01:37:08):
they have had any foreign football matches from Yorkshire into
Shilling and neither, incidentally have they had any they think
anywhere their players go and take the ball on holiday
and kick it around and then lose it. So extraordinary
how it should have made its way all the way
from Yorkshire to ter Shilling.

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
It's one of those mysteries. I Gevin, thank you so much.
Enjoy your weekend. Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent, eight away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
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Speaker 16 (01:37:42):
Used to sid B.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Five away from seven. Sorry, I'm sorry about the hat thing.
I've got a lot of ticks from people being like, hey,
I was eating and I'm sorry about that because when
the producer told me about it this afternoon, I was
eating and I also had the same reaction. So I'm
feeling it feels and you know, I can give you
a trigger warning next time I think I might do that.
You live and you learn. NASA was doing a drill
this morning to get a load of this. They were

(01:38:06):
doing a drill this morning where they because they do
these kinds of things behind the scenes, you know, everybody's
doing drills all the time and practicing and for the
big event, right, and they were simulating what would happen
if an astronaut had in a medical emergency and they
had a NASA flight surgeon calling the International Space Tage
Station telling them what to do because the astronaut was
in trouble. Whoopsie, they accidentally brought broadcast that on YouTube.

Speaker 27 (01:38:29):
Understand that this is any best effort treatment and so
whatever you can do is going to be better than
doing nothing. And just as an FYI, prior to feeling
closing the visor and pressurising the suits, I would like
you to check his pulse one more time.

Speaker 26 (01:38:50):
Pl copy.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
At that point, obviously people were flipping out, being like,
what is going on up there? But fortunately it was
just a drill. But yeah, they did have to come
out and clarify that it was just a drill. One
of those unfortunate. Don't hit the red button, don't make
that microphone go live. It's one of those ones.

Speaker 24 (01:39:05):
Ants Houston, we have a problem. Heither Kenny Logins Footloose
to play us out tonight. This is because it is
the fortieth anniversary is Barry Soaper identified earlier in the show,
the fortieth anniversary of Rob Muldoon calling the snap selection.
So I had a quick look to see what was
the number one song in New Zealand on that day
back in nineteen eighty four, and it was indeed this
Footloose by Kenny Loggins. It was at number one for

(01:39:25):
the sixth week in a row, and it would go
on to stay at number one for two more weeks.

Speaker 23 (01:39:28):
Before.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
I didn't know that under Rob Muldoon we could get
modern music into the country. Well there you go.

Speaker 24 (01:39:34):
Must have must have got an import license for it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Must have had an import license for that one. Jeez,
I'll tell you what. I don't know about you, but
I am about ready for another round of the fourth
Labor Government, aren't you. I'm ready for them to come
and cut some red. I mean, David Seon was kind
of getting there, but you know, we need to supercharge
him into this stuff. I lud and everybody on board
just got hard for that. Anyway, just have to wait
a bit more, I think. Anyway, Enjoy your weekend and
I'll see your Monday new Soul you.

Speaker 11 (01:39:55):
Ba never.

Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
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