Brent Carey: Netsafe CEO on new tool ReScam to fight scammers

Netsafe has launched an AI chat bot that will scam scammers.  

It lets people forward suspicious emails to Netsafe - which uses Chat GPT to start a never-ending conversation with the scammer. 

ReScam's first version was launched a few years ago, allowing simple exchanges. 

Netsafe CEO Brent Carey told Heather du Plessis-Allan “We've wasted six days of scammers time."

Carey said "I've got one on the hook -  we're up to 62 back and forwards."

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, net Safe has just launched the new tool to
deal with scammers. It's an AI chatbot and basically how
it works is you forward them the scam email. They
then strike up a never ending conversation with a scammer
using chat GPT. And obviously what they're trying to do
is waste as much time as possible of the scammers
in order to stop them targeting other people. Brink Carry
is the net safe CEOs with us. Now, Hey, Brent,

(00:22):
hey Eva, do you know if this is going to
work as anybody else doing this?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Are we didded in twenty seventeen and wasted five years
of scammers time? And we know that it works already.
We've sent it one nine hundred and sixty seven emails
and wasted six days of scammers time day one.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
How long before the scammers just give up on the
conversation and realize it's wasting their time?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, I've got one on the hook which come up
to sixty two back and forwards, so it takes them
a wild to com on. So I think that's the
never ending game with cat and mouse, which sort of
a else to the are you.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I mean, are you taking a perverse pleasure out of
dipping in occasionally just to see how much time they're
spending on this.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, I would like to create lots of different personas.
The one I'm using at the moment is called very
contrary because she just says the opposite and has them
on the hook. So, yeah, you two have a little
bit of fun, but there's a serious message to around
what are the scammers tactics and can we get more
information out of the end to bust the scammers.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh so you're actually also bleeding them for info to
understand what they are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Absolutely, and we're able to give individuals their own individual link,
and you too can follow along under replay at re.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Scam, you can watch your scammer being scammed.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
You can, and that's an advant that's a development from
when we first launched it back in twenty seventeen, so
you can play along as well.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Sagine that at some point the scam is going to
cotton on that this is happening and find a work around.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
AI is getting really good at limoking your personal behaviors,
so we just need to gather more information, try and
stay one to step ahead of them. There will be
bot on bot scams we can see that as well,
and that's entertaining in itself.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Brient, thank you so much for talking us through, and
best of luck with enjoying. That's Brent, carry Net Safe CEO.
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