June 17, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle: Sherson Willis PR’s Trish Sherson and Child Fund’s Josie Pagani.
There’s some unanswered questions about the cost of commercial flights to Japan for Prime Minister Chris Luxon and his delegation.
Their Defence Force plane broke down yesterday in Papua New Guinea -- the latest in a string of issues.
Acting Prime Minister Winston Peters was asked if it's fair the taxpayer has to pick up the tab.
Peters said “In an emergency, you take emergency action.”
Josie Pagani told Heather du Plessis-Allan “The Prime Minister is the PR frontperson – but the work is the people with the Prime Minister.”
Pagani said “This is an absolute disaster, really.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle with me this evening we have Trishurson, Shirson,
Willis pr and Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO. Hello you too, Hello,
Hello Trisha. It's time to buy a couple of new planes,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It absolutely is. I was thinking today, you know, how
much how much worse is it that not only do
you not arrive on time, but what arrives before you
is a headline that says you've broken down on the
side of the road. It's pretty ridiculous. I think you're
also remembering that the role of these planes isn't just
(00:38):
getting the Prime Minister and delegations around the place. It's
also troop movements. So my question also is if these
planes are so unreliable, you know what happens if we
need to urgently send troops overseas and the old Boeing,
you know, once again it can't fly at the right
altitude and at the right speed. It is it is or.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Getting somebody back from Antarctica who needs to be retrieved.
With the Boeing, it's only the Boeing's not flying and
as a medical emergency, I wouldn't want to be taking
a punt with that. Josie, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean I've been on these trips before, as
many of us have, and the real value of them.
I mean the Prime Minister is always the kind of
pr front person and you know, doing all the handshaking,
but really the work is the people who's with the
Prime Minister, who's meeting with business delegations and making networks
(01:28):
and working out how to sell Kiwi fruit to China
or you know, aerospace to Japan. You know you come
and use our aerospace company in christ Church or whatever.
That's where the value is to New Zealand. So yeah,
this is an absolute disaster really, but I've actually got
a better solution to this because I mean the problem
is it's really hard politically to spend you know, millions
(01:48):
of dollars on planes, and then it costs money to
fly commercially, so that's also an expense. I mean, as
you always going to spend money, but I reckon they
could do a deal with their New Zealand you know,
charter a commercial plane that Air New Zealand can keep
flying because you only use these planes for delegations and
even troop movements. Trush, You're right, you don't use them
(02:09):
that often, and then you can have the right to
sort of gut the plane and make it accessible for
troops or put the chairs back in and make it
good for a promise's delegation. Do you just charter an
Air New Zealand plane and it can fly in between
all the events?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean, that's yeah, if it was. I mean I
suspect it's going to be logistically hard, but if they
can make it work, it's totally viable. But here's the thing, Triush, Right,
So apparently the reason the government will not do this
is because there will be this massive resistance and blowback
from the public. But every single person who's been on
the show today it's been fine about it. So is
there really going to be that much hatred?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, I don't think there is if you put
this in the context of what these planes are needed for.
Good grief, the last government wasted eighty million dollars without
even you know, breaking a sweat most days. So I
think it's fine if the government just to stand up
and say, hey, look, this is this is an absolute nonsense,
We're going to spend the money. To your point, it's
(03:06):
probably at least a couple of years away until we
can get these planes, and so that's an issue in itself.
But you know, the other thing is for New Zealanders,
this doesn't feel good. It feels really crappy and embarrassing.
It's such a reminder of how poor we are well,
and that is exactly what someone you know, at least one,
if not several people said to me today. It just
(03:28):
is it's kind of the metaphor for a country at
the moment that feels like everything's a bit shit, to
be honest, everything and.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Also just everything's broken, right. It just feels like we
can't even get on a plane with the Prime Minister
and arrive with a delegation to a country. We're just
like stranded in the middle of Psific and you know,
so everything's broken. You're right, it's the worst metaphor. Weird
that the Prime Minister didn't funt the delegation. I thought
that was a missed opportunity because right now, you know,
(03:59):
you said.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Was hurry, Josie, get on the next flight.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But don't you just don't you just go in and
say guys, this is what's happening. Blah blah blah. I mean,
if Greg and the board chair of Air New Zealand,
you know, Dame Lady Dean, there's getting if they can
sit in row sixty five and look at the publicity,
Oh my god, that's probably the best publicity in New
Zealand's had all years. The CEO and the chair sitting
(04:25):
in row sixty five. Good on them. So I think
the PM just should have made the time, one way
or another to just say, guys, this is what's happening.
We'll get you there, and it just would have looked
a bit more leadership.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break with
these two. Come back and just to take bag of
the HERDLD Trisharson and Joseph Agani, Josie, do you love
the idea of the granny flat?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I love the idea of the granny flat. I think
this is an easy, when low hanging fruit for the government.
Good on them. And look, I mean, who's going to
disagree with it. It's one house, so it's not like
you're going to have developers suddenly going and building your
inverted commas sixty granny flats so it makes sense. And
I know that everybody worries about intensification anyway, but really,
(05:06):
I mean, this is not intensification. This is this is
something that just is going to be easy for families.
And actually suddenly enough this was I think this is
a New Zealand first policy in the coalition deal with Nationals,
so it plays to New Zealand first space. You know,
it's the grannies, but also this is something that you
know for Mardi families too who maybe have family living
(05:29):
in the garage, they can now go, you know, put
a put a block up and build something which is
a little bit better. And the license builders are really
good right their license to know where you put the fire,
you know, all the alarms, where you put, what you
do with the bathroom, what you do with the plumbing.
So it's not going to be you know, your hokey
(05:49):
typical key we do it yourself units. It's going to
be something that's pretty good. So good on them.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Do you think this is going to have like a
huge peel or is this just a little thing that
few people are interested in?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This is fantastic. I think it's a really great idea
and will probably appeal to a lot of people. You know,
Chris Bishop mentioned today that it costs six and a
half thousand dollars just in the standard building and resource
consent fees to build something like this, and that is
one of the biggest challenges at the moment. It's not
(06:20):
the cost of the build, it's the cost of what
you are having to pay counsels just in red data.
No no, no, this is before you even get a
stick in the ground. So that would just be the
consenting fee as well. That wouldn't be the lawyer's fees
and everything else. So getting rid of that I think
is excellent overall. If you look at the cost of
(06:40):
a house, government fees and charges are about five point
three percent of the current cost, so need to look
at that. But if you think about this granny flat idea,
think about a family or a farno who has an
elderly mum or dad who potentially needs to go into
what is exceptionally expensive care these days. They can live
(07:04):
on site and the farno can save that money equally
for mums and dads who are working and they've got
grandparents who are happy to come and live and that happens.
You know, our westernized way of living in New Zealand
isn't good at this, but in a lot of societies
that's a really useful way that grandparents help out with.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The family, everybody's mental health.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's good for everyone's mental health.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
What's really interesting about this, Trish, I think it's it's
a demonstration of how Marty politics is fracturing, which is
why I mentioned, you know, Farno and big families living,
say in houses in South Auckland, that you can actually
I think I think what Winston Peters is trying to
do is that you could actually deliver something practical, like hey,
I'm going to help you. We're going to help you
(07:49):
build a little unit, rather than have family in the
garage or something. And I think this is a difference
between the party Marty, where you've got New Zealand first,
going right, we're going to actually deliver stuff that you
guys can have your intersectionality culture wars over here. So
I wonder if that's partly it as well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey, very quickly, do you love,
Trish the idea of net safe scambuster?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I love it. I think it's hilarious and I love
the fact that nets Safe are there watching these conversations.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You can watch it as well.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh my god, I wish they had an AI bot
that dealt with the prank callers because I have had
I think about five calls a day recently from Australia
and it's like whack a mole having to block numbers.
So I think a good on Netsafe. I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I love it too. What do you reckon, Josie?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I love it. My husband's been doing this by herself
for ages. So they a phoner and he replies saying
something like, Polaris, your call has being recorded. Please enter
the code for drone activation. Now. Ali says something like,
oh thank god you've called this. Blood all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And that keeps them on the phone. That's so funny. Hey,
thank you so much. Guys really appreciate it. Trish Hurs
and Sharson willispiare.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
For more from Hither Duplas, see Allen Drive. Listen live
to News Talk Set B from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle with me this evening we have Trishurson, Shirson,
Willis pr and Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO. Hello you too, Hello,
Hello Trisha. It's time to buy a couple of new planes,
isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It absolutely is. I was thinking today, you know, how
much how much worse is it that not only do
you not arrive on time, but what arrives before you
is a headline that says you've broken down on the
side of the road. It's pretty ridiculous. I think you're
also remembering that the role of these planes isn't just
(00:38):
getting the Prime Minister and delegations around the place. It's
also troop movements. So my question also is if these
planes are so unreliable, you know what happens if we
need to urgently send troops overseas and the old Boeing,
you know, once again it can't fly at the right
altitude and at the right speed. It is it is or.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Getting somebody back from Antarctica who needs to be retrieved.
With the Boeing, it's only the Boeing's not flying and
as a medical emergency, I wouldn't want to be taking
a punt with that. Josie, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, I mean I've been on these trips before, as
many of us have, and the real value of them.
I mean the Prime Minister is always the kind of
pr front person and you know, doing all the handshaking,
but really the work is the people who's with the
Prime Minister, who's meeting with business delegations and making networks
(01:28):
and working out how to sell Kiwi fruit to China
or you know, aerospace to Japan. You know you come
and use our aerospace company in christ Church or whatever.
That's where the value is to New Zealand. So yeah,
this is an absolute disaster really, but I've actually got
a better solution to this because I mean the problem
is it's really hard politically to spend you know, millions
(01:48):
of dollars on planes, and then it costs money to
fly commercially, so that's also an expense. I mean, as
you always going to spend money, but I reckon they
could do a deal with their New Zealand you know,
charter a commercial plane that Air New Zealand can keep
flying because you only use these planes for delegations and
even troop movements. Trush, You're right, you don't use them
(02:09):
that often, and then you can have the right to
sort of gut the plane and make it accessible for
troops or put the chairs back in and make it
good for a promise's delegation. Do you just charter an
Air New Zealand plane and it can fly in between
all the events?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I mean, that's yeah, if it was. I mean I
suspect it's going to be logistically hard, but if they
can make it work, it's totally viable. But here's the thing, Triush, Right,
So apparently the reason the government will not do this
is because there will be this massive resistance and blowback
from the public. But every single person who's been on
the show today it's been fine about it. So is
there really going to be that much hatred?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I mean, I don't think there is if you put
this in the context of what these planes are needed for.
Good grief, the last government wasted eighty million dollars without
even you know, breaking a sweat most days. So I
think it's fine if the government just to stand up
and say, hey, look, this is this is an absolute nonsense,
We're going to spend the money. To your point, it's
(03:06):
probably at least a couple of years away until we
can get these planes, and so that's an issue in itself.
But you know, the other thing is for New Zealanders,
this doesn't feel good. It feels really crappy and embarrassing.
It's such a reminder of how poor we are well,
and that is exactly what someone you know, at least one,
if not several people said to me today. It just
(03:28):
is it's kind of the metaphor for a country at
the moment that feels like everything's a bit shit, to
be honest, everything and.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Also just everything's broken, right. It just feels like we
can't even get on a plane with the Prime Minister
and arrive with a delegation to a country. We're just
like stranded in the middle of Psific and you know,
so everything's broken. You're right, it's the worst metaphor. Weird
that the Prime Minister didn't funt the delegation. I thought
that was a missed opportunity because right now, you know,
(03:59):
you said.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Was hurry, Josie, get on the next flight.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
But don't you just don't you just go in and
say guys, this is what's happening. Blah blah blah. I mean,
if Greg and the board chair of Air New Zealand,
you know, Dame Lady Dean, there's getting if they can
sit in row sixty five and look at the publicity,
Oh my god, that's probably the best publicity in New
Zealand's had all years. The CEO and the chair sitting
(04:25):
in row sixty five. Good on them. So I think
the PM just should have made the time, one way
or another to just say, guys, this is what's happening.
We'll get you there, and it just would have looked
a bit more leadership.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break with
these two. Come back and just to take bag of
the HERDLD Trisharson and Joseph Agani, Josie, do you love
the idea of the granny flat?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I love the idea of the granny flat. I think
this is an easy, when low hanging fruit for the government.
Good on them. And look, I mean, who's going to
disagree with it. It's one house, so it's not like
you're going to have developers suddenly going and building your
inverted commas sixty granny flats so it makes sense. And
I know that everybody worries about intensification anyway, but really,
(05:06):
I mean, this is not intensification. This is this is
something that just is going to be easy for families.
And actually suddenly enough this was I think this is
a New Zealand first policy in the coalition deal with Nationals,
so it plays to New Zealand first space. You know,
it's the grannies, but also this is something that you
know for Mardi families too who maybe have family living
(05:29):
in the garage, they can now go, you know, put
a put a block up and build something which is
a little bit better. And the license builders are really
good right their license to know where you put the fire,
you know, all the alarms, where you put, what you
do with the bathroom, what you do with the plumbing.
So it's not going to be you know, your hokey
(05:49):
typical key we do it yourself units. It's going to
be something that's pretty good. So good on them.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Do you think this is going to have like a
huge peel or is this just a little thing that
few people are interested in?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
This is fantastic. I think it's a really great idea
and will probably appeal to a lot of people. You know,
Chris Bishop mentioned today that it costs six and a
half thousand dollars just in the standard building and resource
consent fees to build something like this, and that is
one of the biggest challenges at the moment. It's not
(06:20):
the cost of the build, it's the cost of what
you are having to pay counsels just in red data.
No no, no, this is before you even get a
stick in the ground. So that would just be the
consenting fee as well. That wouldn't be the lawyer's fees
and everything else. So getting rid of that I think
is excellent overall. If you look at the cost of
(06:40):
a house, government fees and charges are about five point
three percent of the current cost, so need to look
at that. But if you think about this granny flat idea,
think about a family or a farno who has an
elderly mum or dad who potentially needs to go into
what is exceptionally expensive care these days. They can live
(07:04):
on site and the farno can save that money equally
for mums and dads who are working and they've got
grandparents who are happy to come and live and that happens.
You know, our westernized way of living in New Zealand
isn't good at this, but in a lot of societies
that's a really useful way that grandparents help out with.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The family, everybody's mental health.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
It's good for everyone's mental health.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
What's really interesting about this, Trish, I think it's it's
a demonstration of how Marty politics is fracturing, which is
why I mentioned, you know, Farno and big families living,
say in houses in South Auckland, that you can actually
I think I think what Winston Peters is trying to
do is that you could actually deliver something practical, like hey,
I'm going to help you. We're going to help you
(07:49):
build a little unit, rather than have family in the
garage or something. And I think this is a difference
between the party Marty, where you've got New Zealand first,
going right, we're going to actually deliver stuff that you
guys can have your intersectionality culture wars over here. So
I wonder if that's partly it as well.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey, very quickly, do you love,
Trish the idea of net safe scambuster?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I love it. I think it's hilarious and I love
the fact that nets Safe are there watching these conversations.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You can watch it as well.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh my god, I wish they had an AI bot
that dealt with the prank callers because I have had
I think about five calls a day recently from Australia
and it's like whack a mole having to block numbers.
So I think a good on Netsafe. I love it.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I love it too. What do you reckon, Josie?
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I love it. My husband's been doing this by herself
for ages. So they a phoner and he replies saying
something like, Polaris, your call has being recorded. Please enter
the code for drone activation. Now. Ali says something like,
oh thank god you've called this. Blood all over the floor.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
And that keeps them on the phone. That's so funny. Hey,
thank you so much. Guys really appreciate it. Trish Hurs
and Sharson willispiare.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
For more from Hither Duplas, see Allen Drive. Listen live
to News Talk Set B from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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