Full Show Podcast: 17 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
dup c Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.
You stop said, be.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.
The New Zealand rescue plane has just swung by Brisbane
to take the delegation to Japan. We're going to get
the details of how that's going. The Breast Cancer Foundation
on Madame M Davidson's diagnosis today and it's safe on
its brilliant new scam busting idea.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Ever, dupicy Ellen, well, we're.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Just gonna have to pony up and buy a couple
of new planes, aren't we, Because come on, this is
the second time this year that this plane has broken
down on Chris Luxen, and if he keeps on insisting
on using these old girls, it's definitely not going to
be the last time that it's happened. Al Gillespie, I
Reckon made the best argument today for why we should
have a plane that works rather than just having you know,

(00:51):
the option which is being mooted as well, of flying
the Prime minister around the place commercially instead. And his
argument basically is that when our prime minister turns up
in another country. It's generally because we want something from
that country, right, either we want to trade with them,
increase trade, or we want them to do what we
want them to do politically. So we're there to impress them,
and we have to impress them, which is the whole

(01:12):
point of a trip like this, Right, you go on
a trip like this, everybody has to dress up in
their best suits, look like they mean business. Prime minister
collects a group of smart and powerful people with them
to impress the host, bring them media along to look
like he's popular and a big deal, and you arrive
on your own plane. That's part of the thing, right,
It's part of the whole kind of charade, is you

(01:33):
arrive on your own plane, because what you want is
countries like Japan to look at us arrive and go
whoof ballers, Yeah, ballers with influence in the South Pacific.
You don't want them to look at us and go, oh,
it's that Pavo country next to Australia. Again that no
one wants to listen to that country. But you look
like a baller in the South Pacific, Suddenly people want
to spend time with you. Got to look like you're
meaning business, in which case you turn up in your limo,

(01:57):
you don't turn up in your taxi. Particularly, I would
say that is important at a time when this part
of the world is contested and a show of strength
will go a long way. Now, even if that doesn't
convince you, even if you do not care, particularly for
diplomacy or trade, economically, we would be better off buying
a couple of new planes. I saw a quote for
a Boeing similar to the ones that we fly. I mean,

(02:20):
it will be used, but it's sitting somewhere with thirty
years flying still left in it, and it's sitting somewhere
around thirty five to forty million dollars right, sound like
a lot to you. So you're gonna be spending seventy
to eighty million dollars to buy a couple of those planes.
The planes that we are flying at the moment that
keep breaking down cost US seventy million dollars in maintenance
just in the last two years. That's two new planes

(02:43):
right there. Every year that we keep on flying these
old birds, we're wasting the money every year that we
could buy a new plane with. So every single year
that we continue to fly them from here on in.
That's a new plane, flush down the toilet because were
insist on being povos. So we just need to stop
doing this, stop being cheap, Stop trying to sweat the
last bit of life out of these planes, which is
now becoming more expensive than just buying new ones. Stop

(03:03):
pretending that we can fly the Prime Minister commercially. Just
buy two new planes.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Heather d for c Allen nine two nine two is the.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Text number you're welcomed away in. And also Jason Walls,
the political editors being picked up in Brisbane. We spoke
to him before that in New Zealand plane swung by,
so we'll play you that interview after five o'clock. Right now,
though the pressure is growing on Wellington Water to let
trained plumbers help them fix the city's water problems. Previously,
Wellington Water said plumbers were underqualified to fix these kinds

(03:34):
of leaks. They claim that to work on the public
water network you need specialist knowledge and specialist qualifications. But
now the plumbing industry body has confirmed actually plumbers are
more qualified than the usual Wellington Water contractors. Greg Wallace
is the Master Plumbers Chief Executive and with us now
Hey Greg Afternoon, Heather, are any private plumbers helping Wellington
Water at this stage?

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yes, they are.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
There've been approved contractors for many year and they didn't
have to do an extra qualification. They got their plumbing
qualification recognized.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
How did they get their qualification recognized and others can't.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
It's a really good question, and they have Well into
Water or the council who own well with the Water
haven't been able to answer that question.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
How many of them are there?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Very few because they have a long protracted health and
safety and other compliance document you have to go through.
My members have told me it's twenty four pages of tickboxing.
But when they've got to the qualifications, they've proved that
there were a certified licensed plumber under the PGD board
and they've said that is fine and acceptable. Now, I
suppose my other point is a Workplace Development Council who's

(04:44):
their independent body, have agreed that the unit standards in
the Q eight unit standards that plumbers do more than
what the infrastructure and water qualification is that Well Into
Water is require.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So basically your argument, from the sounds of things is
just get rid of all the paperwork and just say yes,
you guys can do it, Is that right?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (05:08):
We work at water all the time, drinking water every
single day. We come to your house, we fix your tabs,
we fix your water mains, exactly saying we're talking. We're
going to remember in February when I first had the
welling meeting with Welling to Water and got some interest
from councils, they told us they had a workforce crisis
and they couldn't fix the three thousand, five hundred and

(05:28):
seventy two leaks at the time because of the workforce.
We said, understand that the plumbers are also rate players
and we want this resolved, so we're helped. We're willing
and able to help, particularly when the tobes are in
private property. And since that we've had red tape and
compliance and nonsense put to us to try and say

(05:49):
that the plumbing seat there aren't qualifying and that's just
simply not true.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
What's the real reason that Wellington Water is being so
weird about it.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
They have a contract, they have a contract with third
party supply. I think there's some probably some conflict in
that contractor whether they want other private contract involved in
fixing it. They make things as difficult as possible when
we think, you know, we're talking about Toby's and private property.
It's just just an isolation valve. It's not complex at all.

(06:20):
And plumbers are licensed under raging and it's been proved.
The other point is only forty one percent of their
own workforce cause the qualification and of subcontractors that they employ,
they don't keep any records and so this has been
another hurdle to try and delay. What we should have
been doing is just concentrating on fixing the LAK.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Truth so Greg is the truth that they actually don't
have enough money to be able to employ plumbers because
what's happened is Wellington City Council, being the typewds that
they are, have only given Wellington Water this much money,
right and that basically is enough to keep all of
their contractors busy. So if they then got you guys,
and they would actually just run out of money really
quickly and everybody have to start it yep.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
And one in the city councils plumbat around the funding
they came. But Campbell Bowry from Hut City Council has
been very adamant that extra funding was given from Hut
City Council on the basis that plumbers would be important
interesting and that happened and so yeah, look, I think
they've leveraged the plumbing community to try and extract funds

(07:25):
and they never had any intention of using plumbers. They
just used it as ouse as of political football to
try and increase the funding they get. It's still not affordable.
What you know, the average repair from Run into Water
is five thousand and five per leg. It's quite ludicrous.
And I keep saying our plumbers are paying rates and
commercial property and at their home and all they see

(07:47):
is just delays and less in. It's just and no
one's taking ownership. And we've got to remember the council's
own Run into Water.

Speaker 7 (07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Do you know what, Greg, you're the frustrat in your
voice pretty much sums up how most Wellingtonians feel. I think,
thank you so much for your time, mate, and best
of like trying to beat your head against this brick wall,
Greg Wallace, Master Plumber's chief executive. It looks like Toyota's
Chairman's going to be facing a vote over his continued
tenure in that role. And this is over over that
safety fraud scandal that broke a couple of weeks ago,
a few weeks ago, you know where they were, where

(08:19):
all the safety tests were being done, But actually there
was a lot of fraud going on and it wasn't
actually quite what it looked like. Two major proxy groups
are demanding a vote. They think I think that they
actually want him not just out of the chairmanship but
off the board altogether. And this guy, by the way,
is the grandson of the founder of Toyota. The annual
shareholders meeting is tomorrows, so that they're going to have
a vote. That is when they're going to have a vote.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Quarter past, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither
duper c Allen Drive with one New zealand one giant
leap for business US Talk.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Said, be Hey, Winston Peters.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I know.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Winston Peters is in charge at the moment. He's holding
the press conference, the post cabinet press conference. Will get
you across the details something's just been announced. He's also
addressed the Prime Minister's plans. We'll get to it shortly
to eighteen past four. Jason Pie and sports Stalk coasters
with me right now. Piney Hallo, Heather, that was hard
viewing the Warriors versus the Storm. I mean start, I
was like, I was sending texts as the start, how good,
it just stopped. It just on my phone.

Speaker 8 (09:15):
Terrible Saturday for me because I had to watch the
Hurricanes lose then get home and didn't get a shred
of joy from the Warriors either apart from that first
ten to fifteen minutes. Yeah, Warriores just find it very
hard to beat the Storm. We spoke about it on Friday,
didn't we. You know, it had been fifteen games without
any joy. Now sixteen. It just seems to be an
unfeasibly long time. And I'm sure the players themselves would say, look,

(09:36):
we don't worry about the history and what's gone before.
We just play in front of us. But that seems
like a very very long time between any any sort
of success against against one team. The Storm are a
good team, don't get me wrong, the top of the
NRL for a reason. But I was just i'd probably,
like you thought that this was going to be the
day that they did snap that streak, but unfortunately it

(09:58):
goes on.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I mean, is it because the two Storm are so
good at the top of the table, or is there
a whodoo going on here?

Speaker 8 (10:03):
Well, I think the first part of that is, yes,
the storm are good because the top of the table,
or are good because that's where they'll find themselves.

Speaker 7 (10:10):
Is there a hoodoo?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (10:12):
I reckon it must play on your mind a little bit,
especially when it gets tight and you think to yourself, Man,
which haven't beaten these guys for so long and here
we go again. They'll say it doesn't play on their minds,
but I reckon, I might just sit there in the
back of them.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Do you think that Seawan Johnson was convincing? Well, that's
not convincing. Now, it's not a convincing answer.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
He hasn't played for four weeks and so you know
he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Making excuses for him painting.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
Yeah, I think he'll get better. He'll be better for
the he'll be better for the run. I hope you'll
be a lot better against the Titans.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Okay, So the answer to my question was no, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
Well he was he didn't. He wasn't the Sean Johnson
that he was, you know at the back end of
last year when.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
He was spearing it up. Does webs put some mighty
Martin back in that position.

Speaker 8 (10:56):
No, I think you'll stick with him. I think he's
shown he's shown loyalty to a lot of players in
that team, including Sean Johnson. I think he'll leave them
in the seven jumper and Martin will stay in the
sixth year.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Okay, now, I'll tell you what. I'm a little nervous
for the Blues after that performance from the Chiefs.

Speaker 8 (11:09):
I think the Blues were gone as favorites. But the
Chiefs were good the other day, really good away from home,
which is what they have to do if they're going
to win Super Rugby. The only question mark over them
is injuries. They're losing two of their or definitely one
and probably two of their hookers, a couple of other
players with question marks hanging over them. The Blues fully
fit at home, firing, looking really really good. I just

(11:31):
hope it's a great game. I've got no skin in
the game anymore. I just hope for a terrific game
of rugby. But the Blues I think are rightful favorites
at this point.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Piney always appreciate talking to you. Thank you so much
for your insight. That's Jason Pine's sports talk host Heather.
All that's needed is a tend cy to private jet
the entourage fly commercially and let the Air Force get
an aircraft suitable to their needs and all operated by
the Air Force. Well then, but so then you're buying
two planes anyway, aren't you're buying a jet for. It
doesn't solve the problem. You're buying a jet for. So

(12:00):
he and is like, what nine other people we's got Amanda,
isn't there? So there's lux in an Amanda, And then
you can have eight other people, and there'll be one
press secretary and one private secretary at least. So now
you've got six other people who could go with him
with Tom McClain. Now you've got five other people, you
know what I mean, Like it's not a big plane.
And then at the same time you're having to get
the Air Force presumably two other planes because they can't

(12:21):
just have one plane. I mean, I've got a lot
of text going why do we need two planes? You
do realize that these boeings fly down to Antarctica, right,
so you don't want to be sort of like going
off to Antarctica, d the dropping the bird there and
then be like it's broken down. Now we don't have
a backup, not because remember New Zealand said, no, I
can only have one plane. Now it's okay, that's staying
in for the winter, Like, you can't do that to

(12:41):
these people. You need two planes. So if you're gonna
get it's worked fine. It's worked fine to have a
couple of Boeings. I mean, maybe they'll look at it again,
but I don't see why you can't just do it anyway.
Winston Peters is holding the post cabinet press conference, just
got asked about it.

Speaker 9 (12:53):
How embarrassing is it? Well, reality is you have everybody
make comments. But the experts that I've talked to say,
to me, the reason why that plane doesn't fly the
way it should it's not being flown needy enough. And
I kind of think we need to use it far
more extensively. But in the past there's been a reluctance
to get on a plane because of the potential attacks
back home of Wastern taxpayers money when we should be

(13:16):
off shore getting the maximum out of our trading eerationship.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
I then, come on, that's an argument for fifteen years ago.
That's just bs. I was on that plane and I
reckon twenty fourty night. It was earlier than that, twenty twelve,
twenty twelve, and it broke down on us and we
laughed about it because it was already well known then
that it broke down on us. I mean, we're sweeted
this assic just get wouldn't fly it more? Winston, Come on, mate,

(13:42):
it's costing us thirty five million bucks a year just
to maintain it. And I don't think that's the problem.
I think it's everything's breaking. Four twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper clan
drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and new stalks.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
That'd be Jerry Seinfeld. You will have seen the news
by now. Jerry Seinfeld has had a pro Palestinian protest
to turn up to one of his shows. I think
it was his Sydney show in Heckelim and he's like
had quite a crack at the protest. That Oli Peterson
will talk us through it when he's with us. In
about fourteen minutes. Some tough news that the Green Party
co leader Madame and Davidson revealed today. You will have

(14:18):
heard She's got breast cancer. She's gonna have a partial
mistectomy and start her treatment after Maturuqi, which I think
is next weekend, and then is expecting to be sort
of out of the picture for maybe four months or so.
It sounds like she caught it because she was at
a Pink Ribbon breakfast a couple of years back, and
while they were at the breakfast table, they were talking
about mammograms and stuff. She said that been a bit

(14:40):
of time since she'd had her last one, and they
insisted that she get on with it, and she says,
I want to thank them because I got into the
breast screening program because of their insistence, and she's now
using it, you know, to remind other women to check
their boobs as well. And I tell you what, women will.
It always works like this, Like King Charles with the
old cancer diagnosis, people will now women will now go
and act do this because of this. So good on

(15:02):
her for using it to try and help other people out,
and also best of luck to her. I hope she
comes out of it okay, because there's a tough tough
I've had family members go through it and it's a
tough thing to go through. The government has just announced
that they are going to allow granny flats in the
backyard without consent. Now I'm going to get you those.
This is Winston's announcement, but I'm pretty sure this is
a Chris Bishop thing. Chris Bishop will be with us

(15:24):
twenty five to six to talk us through it. But
in the meantime, I'll get you a few of the
details on it, because this can either well, my mom
should be grateful because I was going to put her
in the basement, So it's going to be a bit
warmer in the backyard, I think. But yeah, you can
see how this is going to be a good thing
for some and a really bad thing for others. So bearweth.
I'll get the details headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather duper
c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected
and youth talk z' bellll me.

Speaker 10 (16:01):
So you can see.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
These Heather, it's a shame that Madama Davidson chose to
politicize her cancer by alleging inequities on healthcare and health
care for Marty, even after acknowledging she's had excellent treatment.
Seems inequity has more to do with being proactive about
your health. Thinness and ethnicity. That's from Robin. There is
some some people are texting and saying, given that it's
a fast moving up for her, it's probably being done privately.

(16:26):
That's an inequity, isn't it. Right there, You've got the money,
you can pay for yourself to get healed real quick.
Barry Soopa will be with us in ten minutes time
after five o'clock. Now, just an update on the plane situation.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
So the.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, imagine being on that in New Zealand flight A
you paid to go to Tokyo, and then nick minute
you find out that the chair and the CEO are
stuck in Brisbane now and they've got to do a
quick detour and swing by and pick them up. I'd
be like, I mean, I might be sort of like,
if I've had heaps of time, I'd be kind of
kind of thrilled by the excitement of it. But if
I was really tight on time with a toddler on,

(17:00):
I'll be really peeved off, wouldn't you. I'll be like, no,
dame to raise you can, in fact, you can stay
in Brisbane. I've bocked on this anyway. They swung by Brisbane,
they picked up Jason Walls and just before he called
us and he was like, yeah, I don't talk to
me right now. So just before he jumped on the plane,
we quickly recorded an interview just to get a bit
of a bit of an updown and where everything is,
and we're going to play that for you after five o'clock.
Here's the detail on making it easier to build the

(17:22):
granny flats. So what it basically means is you can
do it without consent if you've got a space in
your backyard. You can do it without consent if the
structure is less than sixty meters square, which is actually
a reasonably big thing for a granny flat, so that's
not bad. Already many district plans allow granny flats flats
to be built without consent, so it's not going to
be a huge change for a lot of people, but
it's just getting consistency across the country might save you

(17:44):
up to six and a half thousand dollars in the
cost of the consenting and stuff. It's going to go
to consultation. Now, this is my favorite bit about this.
You can do the consultation, provide your feedback by emailing
granny flats at mb dot govz we didn't even try
to make this grown up. We're just granny flats at

(18:04):
mb DO, govt dot in zed anyway. Good obviously, because
red tape is bad. And if you want to be
able to put a granny flat in your backyard and
you've got the space for it, I mean, like, let's
just make this thing easier to do. So that's good,
but bad potentially because what about if you've got people
who've got a huge backyard store, like build a village
of the how many can you build?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Can you build more than one? Because what if you've
got somebody building a village of them and then start
renting them out. Is that a good thing or is
that a bad thing? It might actually be a good
thing to try and deal with the housing crisis. Chris
berships with us on this in an hour's time, twenty
two away from five.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's the World Wires on news Talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
The Chinese Premiere has met with Elbow in Canberra today.
Police have spent the day outside Parliament house keeping the
premier supporters and large group of protesters Apart. He's one
of the protesters and that's a.

Speaker 10 (18:50):
Saying that every Tibetan born up to nineteen fifty nine
is a born activist. So the Tibetan myself, this is
my responsibility to come here and let the world and
Australia knowe that Lee Tongu is not welcome in Australia.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
More. With Oli Peterson out of Australia, shortly eighty countries
have now signed a declaration supporting Ukraine's territorial integrity at
the summit in Switzerland. A number of countries, including India,
Saudi Arabia and South Africa attended the summit but refused
to sign. Russia obviously wasn't invited. The Ukrainian Foreign Minister
says this communicat is still an important step towards peace.

(19:21):
I cannot tell you when the war will end.

Speaker 11 (19:22):
It's not in my hands, but I know that we
are making some major steps towards restoring just and lost
in peace.

Speaker 12 (19:28):
These had took key words just and lasting, not a
peace at any expense.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And finally, a former reality TV contestant and model who
happens to be the son of a famous chef has
been jailed after his pants fell down during a burglary.
So this is Marco Pierre White Junior. He was on
brig Brother a few years ago. But he's fallen on
hard times and he broke into a cafe in the
early hours of the morning to take all of the

(19:53):
cash in the register. The trouble was when he was
trying to get back out through an open window, his
pants got caught and it pulled down and his big
butt was beard in front of the CCTV cameras. But
as butt is covered in tattoos, so the coppers had
to look at the tattoos on his butt and then
looked at the tattoos on the butt and on Marco's Instagram,
because that's what Marco does. He puts picture of his
butt on the Instagram and he's been given a custodial sentence.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Holly Peterson six PR PERF Life Presenters with Us. Hey, Ollie,
get ahead. How did it go with the Chinese premiere?

Speaker 13 (20:28):
It's just weird, like international diplomacy in our relationship with
China is weird. It's really really odd how we roll
out the red car. But there are so many issues
at the moment between our two nations, but we just
stand there the Prime Minister sucking up to the premiere
of China about repairing those relationships. On the one hand,
you know, keep buying our iron or keep buying our wine,

(20:49):
but also we don't really want you to start talking
to our Pacific neighbors and get out of the South
China Sea.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So look the optics of this thing. And I understand
I'm not trying to.

Speaker 13 (20:58):
Be blase about it, Heather, but at the moment, as
we know, the relationship between Australia and China is not
anywhere here is what it was pre COVID. Let's just
be blunt about that. But at the moment we've just
got every possible scenario with a state reception in Canberra
going on as you and I speak, yesterday in Adelaide,
visiting the pandas at the Zoo, which, by the way,
those pandas are awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
But like it's just weird.

Speaker 13 (21:19):
And then he comes to Perth tomorrow and he's going
to go visit a lithium refinery in Quannanna, which is
about an hour away here from Perth, so you know,
there's more stuff we can sell to China. It's just
really really odd at the moment. I think that's and
I understand why we're doing it. I understand that you
know they're a big trading partner, but it just doesn't
really fit in with the narrative between our two relations
at this stage.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Have you guys got over the snub because it was
a snub that they came to visit us first? Did
you realize that?

Speaker 13 (21:45):
Oh? No, I wasn't aware of that, because I know
Jerry Seinfeld came here first to Perth before we went
to the rest. Is he coming to New Zealand crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Just to take the Chinese money over Jerry's jokes? I
know which I take. But tell me about what happened.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 13 (21:57):
He was here in Perth on Saturday night, unbelievably good,
really fun. He go see him, but yes, last night
in Sydney. Now he's got a heckler who's going for him,
and he's going after Jerry Seinfeld, obviously linking it's a
pro Palestine heckler, obviously linking, of course, Jerry being a
Jewish comedian, saying that you're a Zionist, you support Zionism,
you support the killing of Palestinians, forty thousand people. They

(22:17):
had fifteen thousand children and here's a little of what
Jerry Seinfeld replied.

Speaker 14 (22:21):
Tomorrow we will read in the paper Middle East one
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So thanks to man.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
At the Trudo Serena stopping to comedian.

Speaker 7 (22:32):
They stopped him and everyone.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
In the Middle East went, oh my god, let's just
general law. So it's a comedy show. He said, you moron,
get out of here.

Speaker 13 (22:40):
So he didn't want to try and get into the
politics of all of this, understandably and having seen his
show on Saturday night, he really steers clear of the
issues in the Middle East. He's funny, but this is
obviously making world wide headlines.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Now.

Speaker 13 (22:51):
It was a good interaction from Jerry Seinfeld to be
honest in this pro Palestinian protest there. He didn't lose
his marbles or anything, but yeah, it was a heated exchange.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And said you last night, how much did it cost
you to get a ticket? Mine was contra Oh okay,
how much would it cost a normal counter to get out?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
I don't I.

Speaker 12 (23:10):
Think it's pretty expensive.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
They sell that pretty quickly.

Speaker 13 (23:11):
It's a few hundred bucks, but it's worth it, like
it's laugh out loud, funny eating here.

Speaker 12 (23:15):
I don't really have a voice today.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
So I laughed so hard. Oh okay, that's a pretty
good recommendation. Actually, hey, now okay, So what would the
Human Rights Commission have to do in intervening to stop
a cycle way being built? Why would they get involved?

Speaker 13 (23:27):
Because this is nuts, Like, you know, we have people
that obviously don't like houses being built next to them,
or the fact they might be a pub.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
This might take the cake.

Speaker 13 (23:35):
So Oxford Street and Sydney one of the busiest therapies
in the CBD. There are a.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Couple of when I say, a couple of about five people.

Speaker 13 (23:42):
Have got together to write to the Australian Human Rights
Commission to say they want to stop the construction of
a cycle way because they believe it is discriminatory against
the elderly and the disabled. They are not happy about
the fact there's one particular bloke who has got some
vision impairment issues and that's obviously hard, difficult, and I'm
not trying to downplay the issues. It's some people obviously
face and their disabilities. But to ask the Australian Human

(24:04):
Rights Commission to intervene, they have looked back in Canada,
where the equivalent body in that nation decided to intervene
and the bus stop being constructed, and they got the
bus stop reconfigured, and it costs a lot more money.
I just think, if we're going all this way with
Human Rights Commission about cycle ways on major thoroughfares, they
must have too much time on their hands.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Oh mate, don't they disband them. I'm all for that. Okay, Ollie,
thank you. I appreciate it. Olipedson six pr Perth Life presenter.
I reckon he wasn't talking about the Human Rights Commission
having too much time on their hands, But that's what
I chose to hear because I really dislike them intensely
hither at at least it's a sensible email address that
will make it easier. If Labor was still in power,

(24:45):
it'd probably be something like Fadair Cooier at MB dot
govt dot NZ bang On Sister sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
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Speaker 2 (24:57):
Arry so Per, Senior political correspondence with US Now, Hi, Barry, afternoon,
would you agree that it's time to just buy these
planes by new ones?

Speaker 7 (25:03):
Well, you know the point that the Defense Minister Judith
Colin said, no prime minister wants to spend a lot
of money on something deemed to be nice to have. Well,
you'd have to raise the question is it nice to have?
Because there's nothing that gives you more pride in New
Zealand when you're traveling with the Prime Minister And I've
done it on the Air Force plan on many of

(25:26):
many occasions, having been grounded too on many occasions. But
when you fly in on a r n ZAF plane
and the Prime Minister steps off it, it really shows
you're not just waving the flag, you say, showing that
you're a pretty capable sort of a country. And to
that end, you know, I think that we should have

(25:46):
we should either that we used to lease planes from Quantas.
There's no we don't have enough plans at the end
New Zealand to lease. But you could do that. The
only problem is that the Quantus would probably have their
livery on the.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
But it also doesn't get around the other use of
the plane, which is that the Defense Force uses this
plane to be able to go down to intact to
get and ship crew around, soldiers around and so on.
So you actually just need a plane, you need another
two planes?

Speaker 7 (26:13):
Yeah, you do, and you know, if we're going to
be viable. I mean, don't forget we did away with
all the skyhawks, so we diminished the strength of the
air force. Yeah, a number of years ago. And these
are they are for transporting troops. They don't just transport
to the Prime Minister and his entourage. And the entourage
of course includes journalists. And if a prime minister doesn't

(26:37):
have journalists on a trip, that is for the media
companies relatively cheap because they pay a bit of a
peppercorn seas. Yeah, and you know you they lose the
momentum for the trip. So publicity is very important to
them as well, and that's why they love traveling on
the plane with the media and all the others.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, commercial is not an optioname, I would say, well
not if you need not if you need the Defense
Force to be using it as well.

Speaker 7 (27:04):
Well, no, no, because the Defense Force has to have
some transportation.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
What do you make of the granny flats announcement?

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Well, it's really interesting, isn't it. Essentially Winston Peters, who's
the acting Prime Minister at the moment, he says, it's
unlocking the space in the backyards of family members. It
opens up the door to new ways of living, as
if you want granny and Grandad and the flat on
your property kids. But I guess it does. But look,

(27:35):
the interesting thing to me in all of this is
that the Resource Management Act is not going to stand
in the way of what they describe as minor residential units.
They'll be permitted with no longer requiring resource conceit and
that's going to be certainly a big plus.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Now.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
The Housing Minister, who is standing beside Winston Peter's in
the news conference, he says something has to check when
it comes to house ownership in this country, and he
says he's determined to do something about it.

Speaker 15 (28:05):
If we're going to be a property owning democracy, which
we used to be, we need to make housing more affordable.
And it is outrageous that average house prices in New
Zealand have risen faster than any other OECD country in
the last two decades. There are many reasons for that.
A big one is our planning system, which we are
sorting out and today's announcement is just one small parcel

(28:27):
of the wider planning reform we've got underway. And we
look back after twenty years and say we've got a
housing crisis. Well, hello, the RIMA is a big part
of the problem and we're fixing that.

Speaker 7 (28:37):
Yeah, and I say here here to that. But you
remember that it was impossible to get the last National
government to agree that there was a housing crisis. It
was very much to the forefront then, as it is
even worse now.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Do you agree with Chris Hopkins that this National lead
government's going to be a one term.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
Well, he said, he told his party conference over the
weekend in Wellington. He said, there's also a vibe that
it's time for a change. I mean, give me a break.
Six months into a government, time for a change.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Was he not talking about the last night, No.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
He's talking about this current government. And he said he's
been buoyed by the opinion polls that of course have
shown that the government's not particularly popular. They're not popular
because they have inherited what is a dreadful situation in
this country. The economy is on its knees at the

(29:33):
moment and it'll take some very hard decisions to get
it back to anywhere near at what it was, and
that will mean a lot of pain. So of course
people are disgruntled. The opinion polls to me at the
moment are absolutely irrelevant. It's later on then you take
notice of them. But hopefully for this government they got

(29:54):
some good policy.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Employee Hapkins has identified that the way to win the
next selection is to win back all clif How does
he win back Auckland.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Well, very very difficult. He blames the vote away from
certainly from the National Party from the Labor Party in
Auckland as being essentially because of the COVID lockdown in
the city. And you may remember that I said to
Dern at the time when I got back from Auckland

(30:23):
after that very long lockdown, get up to your own city.
You're a constituent MP there. She hadn't been here, and
she finally did the following week, but only spent it
half a day there, so you know, it's just no
commitment from Labor to the city.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Barry, thank you appreciated. That's Barry, So per se your
political correspondence seven away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:47):
Seven five seven. The PM's delegation of course stranded and
p Andng. He got to Japan last night commercially the
rest of the delegation get there tomorrow. Defense Minister Judith
Collins with us.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
So what are we going to do?

Speaker 14 (30:56):
I mean, you can't leave Greg Furan and Dame Teresa
Walsh stuck and p and GM.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
It's just a joke.

Speaker 14 (31:01):
Either you get some new planes or we need to
fly the Prime Minister as delegation commercially from here on.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
And that's just the way it is.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
What I needs for some of the options. No Prime
Minister wants to spend an all sort of money on
something that's seen as nice to have by some people,
even though at this time when we've got a situation
we have to would be economy.

Speaker 12 (31:18):
It is really.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
Important the PM and business people tend it out.

Speaker 14 (31:21):
Back tomorrow at six am. The mic asking breakfast with
Jaguine used.

Speaker 9 (31:25):
To z B.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, the granny flat probably won't include bathroom's a because
they have to be consented. We'll ask Chris Bishop about
that when he's with us now. Obviously wouldn't be a
press conference for Winston, you know, like it would be
a boring one of Winston and have a bit of
a niggle with the media. He was asked whether there's
any sort of media reform package being worked on. This
was his answer.

Speaker 9 (31:45):
Well, I'm not the minister in charge, am I acting
Prime minister and someone who commented, but acting Prime minister
cannot remember everything. If you'd come and sent me a
text and now go segmon to answer this question, come
down here fully informed, having con minster or the two
ministers that are concerned.

Speaker 16 (32:02):
I'm very vocal about it at the time.

Speaker 9 (32:05):
Well, I want to disebmit in this country. I want
to make sure the fourth est state is a fourth
es state, and I want to make sure that the
essential part of any democracy being held accountable does exist.
I'm wanting to see a great fourth estate back in
this country.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
To be fair to the media, and you know, I
love to give the press gallery a hard time, but
to be fair to the media, if you are the
acting Prime minister, you kind of have to know this
stuff because you are sitting in cabinet and the stuff
is coming up in cabinet and you can't be like, oh,
you should have sent me the questions beforehand. It doesn't
work like that. So actually the media got that one.
I love net safe to new idea. By the way,

(32:38):
we're going to talk to them about this in twenty minutes,
They've launched a scam buster, which is designed to basically
waste the scammer's time using AI. So basically works like this.
Straight you get an email from a scammer, what you
need to do is forward it to this particular email
address that they give you. It's me at rescam dot org.
And then the AI creates a fake persona and then
using chat GPT, it starts a never ending conversation with

(33:01):
the scammer, wasting as much of their time as possible, Because,
of course, it means the longer a scammer is talking
to a fake victim, the least time they've got to
be talking to a real victim. How good is that?

Speaker 17 (33:10):
So?

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, but just I'm just waiting for the scammers to
figure it out and then like scam the scat, scam, scam,
scam us't it? Do you know what I mean? Like
or kind of like find a way around it? Anyway,
nets Safe is with us in fifteen minutes time or thereabouts.
Jason Wall's next news talks EDB.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather Dupless the Elan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected, and news Talk said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
The business delegation and the media pack traveling with the
Prime ministers are both finally on the way to Japan.
The broken Defense Force plane flew them from Papa New
Guinea to Brisbane earlier but had to fly at a
lower altitude because of technical issues, and in New Zealand
Flight then picked up the stranded travelers in Brisbane is
now on the way to Japan. Now before they jumped
on board, we caught up with Political editor Jason Walls
Hi Jason.

Speaker 12 (34:05):
Good afternoon, Heather, Jason.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Going from Papua New Guinea to Brisbane on this broken
down plane, was the plane flying noticeably lower and slower?

Speaker 12 (34:12):
Yes, I mean that was what we were told beforehand.
It was the port that we could get to where
the plane was able to move at this sort of altitude.
If we wanted to go any further, we would have
to take multiple stops. And look, I'm I'm no airplane nuts,
but I did notice that we were flying a lot
lower than we were when we were going over to PNG.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Was the Business delegation or is the Business delegation paved
off at this like, are they saying anything about it?

Speaker 12 (34:37):
Oh, listen, they're not speaking to us publicly, but we're
getting a sense that there is obviously some irritation In
some of the conversations that I've picked up along the way,
there are some grumbled words about how this has shifted
the focus and has been a distraction. And you can't
really blame them for feeling upset about that sort of thing,
because it is a distraction. This has shifted the focus,

(34:57):
and they've got ever right to be upset. I mean,
Chris Luxon, in his defense, did put together what was
a very good business delegation to kick down some of
these doors and get some more business and some hype
up some more trade. And that's just the winds being
completely taken out of the sales in that regard.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
How much of a delay is this causing the people
who are actually paying to be on this flight over
to Japan, who are now detouring to pick you guys up.

Speaker 12 (35:20):
Oh well, yes, I mean it's probably I'm close to
two three hours, I would say, and we're just about
to get on the plane, and I'm not looking forward
to the frosty reception that we're going to get from
all the people that paid good money to get across
to Japan and having to be diverted to pick us up.
But you know, the tab seems to have been picked
up by the government and Air New Zealand. They're going

(35:40):
to be looking at how that invoicing system works. So
at the end of the day, you, me and all
other taxpayers are paying for this one.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Would this have happened if Dame to Raise, the chair
and Greg four and the CEO weren't on the flight.

Speaker 12 (35:52):
Oh, I highly doubt it. I mean the credit where
credit's due. Todd McLay has worked extremely well behind the
scenes pulling this together. When the Prime Minister ditched us
in p ANDNG and gone and is Modicaid without telling
us and just shipped off to Japan, he left Todd
McLay in charge who was able to put together this
deal with Air New Zealand and Greg Forum and Dame
Raise were their instrumental to that getting it across the line.

(36:15):
So you know, it's they've made the best of a
really bad situation. And I think credit where credits due
in that regard.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, any sense of what the government is going to
do in the future though, because they can not keep
doing this. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 12 (36:29):
Oh, it is ridiculous. It makes us look ridiculous on
a global scale. The prime minister of a sovereign nation
can't turn up to meetings because this plane keeps breaking down,
and it's getting to be it's getting to seem somewhat
of an international joke at this stage. That can't continue.
But Heather, we said that the last time this happened
and the time before that, and I get the sense
that there's continuously being kicked to touch here and there

(36:51):
needs to be some serious questions around what we do next,
whether it is chartering planes or if it's just a
fully commercial option, and that'll be top of mind when
the Prime Minister is looking at things, because if anybody
is upset today, it's the prime minister who's been hugely
embarrassed by this situation.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Jason, thank you very much. That was Jason Wool's, our
political editor, which spoke to before he jumped on that plane.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Here the duplessy Ellen now Green.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Party co leader Madam M Davidson has today announced she's
got breast cancer. She says the cancer was detected early earlier,
but she is going to need a partial mistake to me,
and then she's going to need to take some time
off work. She also says she's kept up with her
testing religiously ever since attending a breast cancer fundraising breakfast
a couple of years back, and was.

Speaker 18 (37:31):
Actually there at the breakfast table that other survivors really
impressed upon me that I was late to have my mammogram,
and I want to thank them because I got into
the breast screening program because of their insistence.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
She also says she wants cancer screenings to be more
widely available.

Speaker 18 (37:51):
All of our health programs and our screening programs do
not are not effective in every community the way that they.

Speaker 19 (37:59):
Need to be.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Arleen Rainer is chief executive of the Breast Cancer Foundation.
Hi Aleen, Hi, how are you doing well? Thank you?
Were you at that breakfast a couple of years ago?

Speaker 20 (38:08):
I was at that breakfast a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Were you part of that conversation?

Speaker 20 (38:13):
I wasn't at Madamore's table, but Matima was there. She
had a photo taken about screening. So at that stage,
we were campaigning for the screening age to be raised
to seventy four and to clear the backlog of COVID screening.
Since the COVID backlog, is she.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Right to say that not everyone can access testing services easily.

Speaker 20 (38:35):
That's correct. We take it for granted and major metropolitan
areas that screening is readily accessible. If you're regionally or
located at hard to reach places, breastcreen Art hetoa provided
mobile units that service screening. But if you missed those
times in terms of screening times where those mobile units

(38:57):
are available in your community, what that means is you'll
have to travel, and for some people that could be
a three hour trip there and it could be a
three hour trip back. So it is not equitable in
terms of access, and we know that, which is why
they are planned to place to look at what we
can do to support.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Do you expect that there will be an uptick in
women who get their boobs checked as a result.

Speaker 20 (39:20):
I sincerely hopeful of that because Matima has been exceptionally
courageous talking about her diagnosis. Anyone that brings attention to
breast cancer and the early detection and mammogram screening is
so important because early detection is what makes the chances
of surviving breast cancer so much higher.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Absolutely, Arleen, thank you so much. I really appreciate time. Mate.
That's Arleen Rayner, Breast Cancer Foundation Chief executive.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Together for see Alan either.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
The longest time I've had a phone scammer on the
phone was twenty minutes. It was hilarious because everyone in
the and the office could hear them because I had
him on speak of him. I feel like Dean does
what I do. I feel like it's my public duty
scammer gets hold of me to just keep them on
the phone as long as possible. And I try because
I figure that every minute that I waste of their time,
they're not calling up some old nana and fleecing her

(40:11):
for cash. So what I do is I just ask
in nain questions. I just go like, what did you say?
Can you repeat that?

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Love?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
And they just keep going because they think that they
think they've got you. Try it out. It's also kind
of like mildly amusing, and it doesn't actually need to
stop you doing the work that you're doing, Like you
can continue to do whatever it is that you're doing
and playing on your phone or whatever, you know, watching TV,
reading a book. You just need to occasionally just give
them a little tidbit like ha, and then they just
carry on anyway, we're going to The reason I'm telling
you this is because we're going to talk to net

(40:39):
Safe about it very shortly. They're little scam busting thing
where they waste time as well. Pretty crazy thing out
of Wellington in the papers this weekend. This is Wellington
City Council. The Chief Executives has issued some new rules.
She said, they are new rules. There's a restriction now
on what advice official counselors elected councilors are allowed to see.
The new code says that the elected councilors can only

(41:02):
get information from the officials on decisions that are still
coming right, so upcoming decisions. They can't ask for information
that it led to previous decisions. So if they want
to understand what's already gone on, like how did we
get to the point where the reading cinema deal happened
to whatever, they're not allowed to ask for retrospective stuff. Weird.
That's weird. It's also weird that counselors were not consulted

(41:22):
on the rules. So Barbara M. Mckerro just wrote the
rules apparently and was like these are the new rules.
Live with them. And also she introduced them in October
and then only told the councilors about them in mid April.
Now this is weird and wrong and someone needs to
step in here and tell her to pull her head
in because this is not how it works. The councilors

(41:43):
are the ones who are elected democratically. They are the
ones who get the final say. The chief executive does
not get the final say. She is unelected. She works
for the ratepayers and she basically that means works for
the councilors. This has repeatedly been said to me as
being a problem in Wellington City Council. That old mate
Barbara thinks she's running the show and apparently does have
the ability to do this kind of stuff. She's got

(42:05):
too much power. Case in point. Hopefully they fix it shortly.
Otherwise same in. Can we just get some commissioners in
because it feels like I really need it. It feels
like not only the elected council needs it, but Barbara
needs it. To quarter past here, the diverting that plane
to Brisbane to pick up those people would have added
at least five hours plus the stop over to that
triple tae. What if I was on the flight to Japan.

(42:25):
HM wouldn't be terribly happy about that. Nikola Willis is
going to be with US Finance Minister after six o'clock.
We'll have a chat to her about whether she's up
for buying a new plane, because obviously we need to
have that, and we need to have that. Never mind
the conversation, let's just do it. And also there will
be a delay, right, so we probably want to put
in an order now in order to be able to
get it in a couple of years or thereabouts. Chat
to her after six. It's nineteen past five now. Net

(42:45):
Safe has just launched the new tool to deal with scammers.
It's an AI chatbot and basically how it works is
you forward them the scam email. They then strike up
a never end in conversation with a scammer using chat
GPT And obviously what they're trying to do is waste
as much time as possible of the scammers in order
to stop them targeting other people. Brink Carrie is, the
net Safe CEO, is with us. Now hey, bring hey Eva,

(43:08):
do you know if this is going to work as
anybody else doing.

Speaker 21 (43:10):
This are weekeded in twenty seventeen and wasted five years
of scammers time, and we know that it works already.
We sent a one nine hundred and sixty seven emails
and wasted six days of scammers time day one.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
How long before the scammers just give up on the
conversation and realize it's wasting their time.

Speaker 21 (43:32):
Well, I've got one on the hook, which come up
to sixty two back and forwards, so it takes them
a wild to come on. So I think that's the
never ending game of cat and mouse, which sort of
appeals to the are you.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I think, are you taking a perverse pleasure out of
dipping in occasionally just to see how much time they're
spending on this?

Speaker 21 (43:54):
Well, I would like to create lots of different personas.
The one I'm using at the moment is Gordon very
contrary because she just says the opposite and has them.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
On the hook.

Speaker 21 (44:04):
So, yeah, you two have a little bit of fun,
but there's a serious message to around what are the scammers'
tactics and can we get more information out of the
end to bust the scammers?

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Oh, so you're actually also bleeding them for info to
understand what they are doing.

Speaker 21 (44:22):
Absolutely, and we're able to give individuals their own individual link,
and you too can follow along under replay at re
scam you.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Can watch your scammer being scammed.

Speaker 21 (44:35):
You can, and that's advant that's a development from when
we first launched it back in twenty seventeen, so you
can play along as well.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Do you imagine that at some point the scammers are
going to cotton on that this is happening and find
a work around.

Speaker 21 (44:51):
We AI is getting really good at limoking your personal behaviors,
so we just need to gather more information and try
and stay step.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Ahead of them.

Speaker 21 (45:01):
Yeah, there will be on bot scans. We can see
that as well, and that's entertaining in itself.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Brent, thank you so much for talking us through and
best of luck with enjoying that as Brent carry net
Safe CEO. Heather, they should probably buy a new fory
for the cook straight before they buy a new plane.
There's a fair point. Pete five to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather du to see Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and new talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's twenty four past five. Are Chris Bishop's going to
be with us in about ten minutes, maybe more like
twelve minutes time. Now, listen, Do you think that the
primary Teachers' Union actually believes it when they say out
loud that we should not bring back annual tests for
the kids because it's going to make the kids feel
stressed out. Do you think they actually really believe that
when they say that, because I don't believe that. I mean, well,
I mean, obviously I do. I mean, I think that

(45:50):
any test stresses anyone out just a little bit. But
I don't think that's a good reason not to bring
a test in. I mean, if I had to decide
which is more important knowing if the kids can read
or write properly or worrying about them being a little
bit stressed. The stress comes in a dist and second,
doesn't it, Because obviously, an education is one of the
most important things you can give a child. It's so
important that many things come a distance second to the education.

(46:14):
And also, welcome to the real world. You want to
be successful, There's going to be a little bit of
a test along the way. It's gonna be a little
bit stressful. You may as well start learning that at school.
So if the rest of us don't believe that argument,
and I'd say most of us don't believe that argument.
Do we really think the teachers' unions who are saying
that believe it. No, I don't think that they believe that.
I think they've got a completely different motivation here. What

(46:36):
you need to understand this debate, because this will keep
on going until the government actually forces this on the teachers.
What you need to understand this, What you need to
know to understand it is that this is a thing
around the world. Unions around the world oppose standardized testing
of kids, and the reason they do is because they're
worried that we will use those tests to start proving

(46:56):
which teachers are good teachers and which teachers are bad teachers,
and they're worried that that will then lead to something else,
whether that's good teachers getting promoted and bad teachers not
getting promoted, or perhaps we start coming around to the
idea of paying the very good teachers more, which means
the bad teachers just stay on their existing pay and
don't get lifted as well. And that whatever we do
in those in those kinds of lines, that is a

(47:18):
threat to the union because for the union to survive,
all teachers need to be treated exactly the same under
the collective employment contract, so you cannot have the test
start to set out any kinds of differences between teachers.
So understand this when you hear this debate. Unions are
not advocating for the best interests of your child. Unions

(47:40):
are not even advocating for the best interests of teachers.
They are only interested primarily in one thing, their own survival.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Togever Duplicllen.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Now, apparently Greg Furan has has said that he will
be spending the flight to Japan personally apologizing to passengers
for the inconvenience of divers to pick up the trade delegation.
He is not going to be in business class like
you thought he would be. He's in row sixty six,
right next to the loop. But I want to know

(48:10):
where Dame Terreise is because the chair is on this
trip as well. And I bet you the Dame Therese
is in business class, isn't she Because she's a big deal.
She has a big deal. Greg has people to impress
Dame to raise does not, so Dame Therees will be
sitting up the front. She'll be enjoying her bubbles and
her canapes and her horse dooveries and she'll be like,
oh is there, where's Greg? Oh? Seat sixty six? Who cares?

(48:35):
What about the drama on Ponsonby Road at the weekend. Now,
I actually heard that happen on Saturday night and then
woke up to the news on Sunday. But I reckon
the police have got the timing wrong on this, because
I reckon it was actually before ten that this happened.
I heard the lights and sirens. I didn't hear the
lights obviously, I heard the sirens. I reckon about quarters
to ten or thereabouts. And the reason I noticed it

(48:55):
was because normally the coppers lots of coppers around this
part of the world, ponson because it's rough, you know,
like people get killed there all the time, and stuff
like that happened the other day, you know. Anyway, lots
of police around there and stuff, but they never use
the sirens in the residential area. They largely just travel
quietly because they're just aware of people living around there. Anyway,
the sirens going off was a weird thing to hear,
so had to look at what happened the next day.

(49:19):
I don't know if you noticed this, because this kind
of this slipped under the radar for most of the
media reporting on it. One witness to the incident said
that they heard a series of bangs at least five,
and then one media outlet reported that afterwards a witness
heard give me the gun. So just if the kids

(49:39):
say to you this weekend, oh man, I'm just going
to go down their road to Ponsiber Road, just be
like woaha, ho, whoa why are you going to Ponsonby Road?
There are people packing pistols in Ponsonby Road. It kind
of I'd be honest with you. It freaks me out,
ever so slightly because that was just around the corner
from our house. Anyway, thoughts and prayers to all of
us living on the rough streets of Ponsby. News is next.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Your drive home.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Heather due to see allan drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected and news talk Z b.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I'm a teacher. You just reminded me I want to
cancel my NZIDYI membership O DZ. You're more than welcome, Mark.
I'll keep providing your reminders every time the opportunity arises,
just to make sure that you actually do it. Look,
I've had a text from me in New Zealand saying
Dame Terres is in fact next to Greg in Rose
sixty six. So I was wrong. They are not sitting

(50:44):
She's not sitting up the front having the cannapace and
the odervs Oh, my apologies. Comes the second text. They're
both in Rose sixty five dn E. So I was like, cow,
I'm not just going to take this from me in
New Zealand without double checking it. So I've gone through
like the whole of finding out what the metal is
that they're flying on, going to the seat Guru looking

(51:05):
at it, and yes, I can confirm that seat sixty
five E and D are like the really stink seats
in the Economy that they're so stink that on seat
Guru they flash up red to tell you don't book
the seat. Seat sixty five E is an Economy class
seat in the last row of the plane. The close proximity,

(51:25):
proximity to the lava trees and the galley behind maybe bothersome.
So you gotta give. You've got to give Greg and
to raise some.

Speaker 16 (51:35):
Can either of them get up to go to the
toilet without getting their seat and able to stand up first.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Because it's no and if Greg was the if Greg
was the gentleman that I suspect that he is, he's
going to be in the middle one. So every time
he needs to go, he's dame to raise has to
like and he won't be host to that.

Speaker 16 (51:48):
He'll have to wake the chair up to climb over it.
He'll be like, we'll sit there holding his bladder.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Came majesty, I need to go again, especially after all
the bubbles that they'll have. They they'll be like, bring
them down, bring them down, because frankly, you'd you'd be
getting the bubbles in from business class if you were
stuck back there, wouldn't you in that very last sea, the.

Speaker 16 (52:04):
Whole plane, I would hope for diverting.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
It actually great. That is you should be in charge
of your new Zealander. Is the way you're carrying on,
you're going to bankrupt them. But we're going to load
me sixty five ce huddle standing by twenty two away from.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Six ever do for ce Allen.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
The Government's announced it's making it easier to build a
granny flat by changing the rules so any structure up
to sixty square meters will not need consent. The government
is beginning consultation today with the aim to have the
law changed by midnext year. Chris Bishop as the Housing Minister,
high bish Hello, is there a big demand for this?

Speaker 6 (52:33):
I think there's going to be a massive demand. I
get people probably emailing me, I don't know, at least
every month or so saying how do we make it
easiest to build a small granny flat out the back
of my property. I want to do it. I want
to put grand grandma or granddad or you know, you've
got families with teenage daughters at the back, university kids,
you know. I think it's going to appeal to a
lot of different people, and it's about housing supply. Fundamentally.

(52:56):
Our problems are we don't have enough housands and you
know smaller property square meters them below that they can
be pil a solution.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
And what about the land that they're plumked onto. Is
there a requirement for how big that has to be
out in the backyard.

Speaker 21 (53:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:08):
The discussion document's got some proposals in there around site
coverage where we're consulting on sixty et cetera. But the
key point is that once we get the finer details
worked out. You won't need a resource consent and you
won't need a building consent as long as you comply

(53:28):
with the building code and you need a license and
you've got a licensed building practitioner doing the building.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Somebody text in earlier and said it will still need
some sort of consent because you've got to consent the bathroom.
Is that true.

Speaker 6 (53:39):
No, you won't need a building consent for the bathroom
as long as you comply with the rules around complying
with the building code and getting a licensed building practitioners
a supervisor work or do the work. You will have
an extemption from the Building Act. We're going to change
the water allow that.

Speaker 21 (53:55):
To take place.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Is there any limit on how many of these granny
flats you can build on one property?

Speaker 6 (54:00):
Yes, just one, so you just all have one. So
this is not a free for all where you can
put five out the back. Those are that that you
know the different rules regarding that. This is just about
a small or sixty square meter or below structure out
the back of your property or on your property. You
won't need a resuurce concent. That for the world and
some councils it's just not consistent across the country. So

(54:21):
we'll be making it mandatory and required across the count
across the country for both rural and residential councils. And
then once we change the Building Act, you won't need
a building consent either.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Do you imagine that there's going to be a bit
of blowback from neighbors who maybe don't want this kind
of density?

Speaker 6 (54:38):
I hope not, to be honest. I mean, we're talking
about single story, quite small dwellings here that you don't
really have an impact on anybody. Uh, these are these
are these are structures designed to get more people in warm,
dry houses and that's fundamentally what they needs more of.
And so that's what we're doing today.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Thank you so much for your time. Chris really appreciated.
Chris Bishop, the Housing Minister.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
What the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional
marketing for every property.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
On the huddle with me this evening we have Trishurson Shurson,
Willis pr and Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO, Hello you too.
Hello hello Trish. It's time to buy a couple of
new planes, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (55:15):
It absolutely is. I was thinking today, you know, how
much how much worse is it that not only do
you not arrive on time, but what arrives before you
is a headline that says you've broken down on the
side of the road. It's pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I think you're also.

Speaker 17 (55:34):
Remembering that the role of these planes isn't just getting
the Prime Minister and delegations around the place. It's also
troop movements. So my question also is if these planes
are so unreliable, you know what happens if we need
to urgently send troops overseas and the old Boeing, you know,
once again it can't fly at the right altitude and

(55:55):
at the right speed.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
It is it is or getting somebody back from Antarctica
who needs to be retrieved with the Boeing. It's only
the Boeing's not flying it as a medical emergency. I
wouldn't want to be taking a punt with that, Jose,
what do you think?

Speaker 22 (56:07):
Yeah, I mean I've been on these trips before, as
many of us have, and the real value of them.
I mean, the Prime Minister is always the kind of
pr front person and you know, doing all the handshaking
and but really the work is the people who's with
the Prime Minister, who's meeting with business delegations and making
networks and working out how to sell Kiwi fruit to

(56:30):
China or you know, aerospace to Japan. You know, you
come and use our aerospace company in christ Church or whatever.
That's where the value is to New Zealand. So yeah,
this is an absolute disaster really, But I've actually got
a better solution to this because I've mean, the problem
is it's really hard politically to spend you know, millions
of dollars on planes, and then it costs money to

(56:51):
fly commercially, so that's also an expense. I mean, are
you always going to spend money? But I reckon they
could do a deal with their New Zealand you know,
a commercial plane that Air New Zealand can keep flying
because that you only use these planes for delegations and
even troop movements. Trush, You're right, you don't use them
that often, and then you can have the right to

(57:12):
sort of gut the plane and make it accessible for
troops or put the chairs back in and make it
good for a promise's delegation. Do you just charter an
Air New Zealand plane and it can fly in between
all the events.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I mean, that's yeah. If it was, I mean, I
suspet it's going to be logistically hard, but if they
can make it work, it's totally viable. But here's the thing, Trush, right,
So apparently the reason the government will not do this
is because there will be this massive resistance and blowback
from the public. But every single person who's been on
the show today it's been fine about it. So is
there really going to be that much hatred?

Speaker 17 (57:44):
I mean, I don't think there is. If you put
this in the context of what these planes are needed for.
Good grief, the last government wasted eighty million dollars without
even you know, breaking a sweat most days. So I
think it's fine if the government just needs to stand
up and say, hey, look, this is this is an
absolute nonsense. We're going to spend the money. To your point,

(58:05):
it's probably at least a couple of years away until
we can get these planes, and so that's an issue
in itself. But you know, the other thing is for
New Zealanders, this doesn't feel good. It feels really crappy
and embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's such a reminder of how poor.

Speaker 17 (58:20):
We are well and that is exactly what someone you know,
at least one, if not several people said to me today.
It just is it's kind of the metaphor for a
country at the moment that feels like everything's a bit shit,
to be honest.

Speaker 22 (58:37):
Everything and also just everything's broken, right. It just feels
like we can't even get on a plane with the
Prime Minister and arrive with a delegation to a country.
We're just like stranded in the middle of Psific and
you know, so everything's broken. You're right, it's the worst metaphor.
Weird that the Prime Minister didn't front the delegation. I
thought that was a missed opportunity because right now, you know,

(58:59):
you just said.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Was in a hurry, no Josie to get on the
next flight.

Speaker 22 (59:04):
But don't you just don't you just go in and say, guys,
this is what's happening. Blah blah blah. I mean, if
Greg and the board chair of their New Zealand, you know,
Dame Lady Dame Trey's getting, if they can sit in
row sixty five and look at the publicity, Oh my god,
that's probably the best publicity that New Zealand's had all years.
The CEO and the chair sitting in row sixty five.

(59:26):
Good on them. So I think the PM just should
have made the time one way or another to just say, guys,
this is what's happening. We'll get you there, and it
just would have looked a bit more leadership.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break with
these two. Come back and just to take us coming
up fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty on parallel
Reach and results.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
My nephew is on that flight and the CEO is
currently being a trolley dolly. How good? It just gets
better back with the herdle Trishuson and Josephiganni. Josie, do
you love the idea of the granny flat?

Speaker 22 (59:57):
I love the idea of the granny flat. This is
an easy, when low hanging fruit for the government. Good
on them. And look, I mean, who's going to disagree
with it. It's one house. It's not like you're going
to have developers suddenly going and building your in inverted
commas sixty granny flats, So it makes sense. And I
know that everybody worries about intensification anyway, but really, I

(01:00:18):
mean This is not intensification. This is this is something
that just is going to be easy for families and actually,
sunnily enough, this was I think this is a New
Zealand first policy in the coalition deal with Nationals, so
it plays to New Zealand first space. You know, it's
the grannies. But also this is something that you know
for Mardi families too who maybe have family living in

(01:00:41):
the garage, they can now go, you know, put a
put a block up and build something which is a
little bit better. And the license builders are really good
right their license to know where you put the fire,
you know, all the alarms, where you put, what you
do with the bathroom, what you do with the plumbing.
So it's not going to be you know, your hokey

(01:01:02):
typical key we do it yourself units. It's going to
be something that's pretty good. So good on them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Yeah, Tris, do you think this is going to have
like huge appeal or is this just a little thing
that few people are interested in? This is fantastic.

Speaker 17 (01:01:13):
I think it's a really great idea and will probably
appeal to a lot of people. You know, Chris Bishop
mentioned today that it costs six and a half thousand
dollars just in the standard building and resource consent fees
to build something like this, and that is one of
the biggest challenges at the moment. It's not the cost
of the build, it's the cost of what you are

(01:01:35):
having to pay counsels just in red data. No, no, no,
this is before you even get a stick in the ground.

Speaker 7 (01:01:41):
Yes, so.

Speaker 17 (01:01:43):
That would just be the consenting fee as well. That
wouldn't be the lawyer's fees and everything else. So getting
rid of that I think is excellent overall. If you
look at the cost of a house, government fees and
charges are about five point three percent of the current cost,
so need to look at that. But if you think
about this granny flat idea, think about a family or

(01:02:07):
a farno who has an elderly mum or dad who
potentially needs to go into what is exceptionally expensive care
these days. They can live on site and the farno
can save that money equally for mums and dads who
are working and they've got grandparents who are happy to
come and live and that happens. You know, our westernized

(01:02:29):
way of living in New Zealand isn't good at this.
But in a lot of societies. That's a really useful
way that grandparents.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Help out with the family, everybody's mental health.

Speaker 17 (01:02:39):
It's good for everyone's mental health.

Speaker 22 (01:02:40):
What's really interesting about this, Trisha, I think it's it's
a demonstration of how Mardy politics is fracturing, which is
why I mentioned, you know, I don't know Farno and
big families living, say in houses in South Auckland, that
you can actually I think. I think what Whinston Peters
is trying to do is that you could actually deliver
something practical, like hey, I'm going.

Speaker 21 (01:02:59):
To help you.

Speaker 22 (01:03:00):
We're going to help you build a little unit, rather
than have family in the garage or something. And I
think this is a difference between the party Marvi, where
you've got New Zealand first, going right, we're going to
actually deliver stuff. You guys can have your intersectionality culture
wars over here. So I wonder if that's partly it
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey, very quickly, do you love,
Trish the idea of net safe scambuster?

Speaker 17 (01:03:22):
I love it. I think it's hilarious and I love
the fact that nets safe are there watching these conversations.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
You can watch it as well, oh.

Speaker 17 (01:03:29):
My god, I wish they had an AI bot that
dealt with the prank callers because I have had I
think about five calls a day recently from Australia and
it's like whack a mole having to block numbers. So
I think a good on net safe.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I love it. Yeah, I love it too. What do
you reckon, Josie?

Speaker 22 (01:03:46):
I love it. My husband's been doing this by herself
for ages. So they a phoner and he replies saying
something like Polaris, your call has been recorded. Please enter
the code for drone activation.

Speaker 12 (01:03:56):
Now.

Speaker 22 (01:03:57):
Aori says something like, oh thank god, you've called this
block all over the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And that keeps him on the phone. That's so funny. Hey,
thank you so much. Guys really appreciate it. Tris Chess
and Chess and Williespierre and Josephcganny child fun CEO seven
Away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen
drive with one New zealand one Giant Leap for Business
News Talk se Be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Heather the building consent fees alone of six thousand dollars
and the resource is much the same. So I'm not
sure where the six and a half thousand dollar fee
came from for both, Well, can we say at least
six and a half and then you can just go
upwards from there, And we're gonna talk to Nikola Willis,
who's gonna be with us. I think she's just you know,
the scrutiny week thing that's been going on. She's just
had to appear in front of some sort of a
selectmmittee or something for an hour and a half today,

(01:04:47):
so she's had her first kind of like baptism of
fire through that thing. She's gonna be with us shortly.
We'll have a chat to her about everything that's going on,
including including foreign buyers, because the boss of one of
our high end real estates agencies is calling on the
government to change its mind on foreign buyers. You might
remember Nikola Willis wanted to get the foreign buyers back
into the country, let them buy the houses, tax them,

(01:05:09):
and then use that money to be able to pay
for the tax cuts which we've all got wrote. But
then when he said no, because when he doesn't like
foreigners very much from time to time, and so he
said no, and so as a result, we've got a
ban in place on them. Now, Mark Harris, who's the
managing director of New Zealand Southby's International Realty, says, we
need to change our minds on this because there are
rich foreigners out there who would very much like to
be able to buy a nice house in New Zealand,

(01:05:30):
and we're just leaving money on the table by not
letting them in. Because what's the problem. Let them buy
a house, taxa hell out of them. Take the tax money,
thanks very much. Also, there are murmurings in the industry
and political circles that nationals pledge to let the wealthy
foreign buyers back into the market could again be back
on the agenda, like it sounds like maybe Whennie is
starting to soften on this. So we're going to talk

(01:05:51):
to Mark Harris of Southerby's help us six. But Nikola
Willis is with us straight out to the news, so
we have a little chat to her about that first
of all, now and just get a sene of whether
this stuff is softening with Winston. Now that crazy turbulence.
I don't want to alarm you too much, but I'm
alarmed because apparently there's more of the stuff going on
at the moment. Now, Previously, I'd sort of like I

(01:06:12):
placated myself by saying it's the it's just somewhere in
the North Atlantic. It's not here. No, unfortunately it's here.
There was a flight yesterday from Wellington to Queenstown yesterday afternoon.
Two people were injured injured. One of them was a passenger,
one of them was a crew member. Apparently the turbulence
hit just as the cabin crew was serving the hot drinks,
and a full pot of hot coffee poured on the passenger.

(01:06:36):
Can you imagine how awful that work?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I don't know if that stuff is boiling on a plane,
but it's got to be close to She had burns,
she had blistering. A paramedic on board helped her out,
and apparently a flight attendant called it the worst turbulence
she's ever had. It wasn't long, but it was really intense.
So maybe just refuse the hot drink for a little while.
I don't know how long this stuff lasts for, but
better safe than sorry, Nichola Willis.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Next, we have Business Insight the Business Hour.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
We'd header duplicy Ellen and my Hr on News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
B Evening coming up in the next hour, We're going
to talk to the boss of Southeby's International and New
Zealand to find out how many foreign buyers want to
buy houses in New Zealand. Business New Zealand on service
sector activity falling through the floor. It's really low. And
also Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK.
He's our correspondent this evening at seven past six. And

(01:07:32):
with us right now is Nicola Willis the Finance minister
Hei Nikolai. How much is he in New Zealand charging
us for this rescue plane?

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 22 (01:07:42):
I haven't been advised to that number.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Have they not told anybody in the government yet or
has there been no deal struck.

Speaker 22 (01:07:49):
I just haven't been advised to that number yet, Heather,
I've been in back to back meetings today. But I'm
sure that that is a number that will be available
for public scrutiny.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
A pledge to make it public.

Speaker 22 (01:08:02):
Look as long as it's not commercially sensitive. So in
New Zealand, no doubt we'll have arrangements in place. But
my expectation would be that we can share more information
about that center and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Look forward to it. Hey, what are we going to
do about the Defense Force planes. We're going to have
to buy a couple of new ones, aren't we.

Speaker 22 (01:08:17):
Well, we've got a defense capability review underway, so we're
looking at what is the kIPS that the Defense Force
require for the future so that it can do the
things we expect it to do. And of course that
does include being able to quickly get to our places
in the Pacific and around the world so that we
can help out the disasters, so that we can transport
our soldiers around the world. And so that's likely to

(01:08:41):
include a plane capability, and it may be that as
a result of that review they recommend replacement planes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
How long does that review take.

Speaker 22 (01:08:51):
It's underway at the moment, and our intention is that
it's completed ahead of our budget next year so that
our budget can reflect the investment decisions that Defense are
advising us they want to make over the coming decade.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Any idea what it costs to buy a plane to
replace the ones we've got?

Speaker 22 (01:09:10):
Okay, I think a lot of as questions like how
long is a piece of string? Because obviously planes can
come at different costs depending on whether their news you
can hand, how big they are, what capability they have.
So what we'd need to consider is what's a plane
that can do all of the functions that the Defense
Force needs to do but in a way that we
can afford to maintain and that works with all of

(01:09:31):
our other kits. So that number will be, no doubt
one of the things that Defense Force that are considering
as part of their capability.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
So if we were to get this review done by
budget next year, and then budget was to include new planes,
we're still, you know, given how long it takes to
get these things, we're still maybe two or three years,
maybe even more away from actually having the planes. In
the meantime, what do we do? I mean, does the
Prime Minister need to fly commercially because he can't keep
doing this?

Speaker 16 (01:09:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:09:56):
Look, I think that he needs to consider for every
visit he on what's the way is to do it
that is the most reliable. And obviously, if we can't
be assured that the planes are going to be able
to get up in the year that sometimes it's going
to be flying commercial all the people who are flying with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah, does the defense will sometimes say, look, it's a
little bit dodgy at the moment, or you know, other
times now she's looking good, do they actually have a
sense of whether it's going to work.

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
Well.

Speaker 22 (01:10:23):
Look, I think that they go to her extensive efforts
to make sure that their planes are safe and that
they're ready for the Prime Minister. But obviously in this
case they've found an issue that they've said no, it's
not safe to fly, and they've made that decision. And
I'd rather they made that decision that put a plane
up in the air that wasn't safe. But we do

(01:10:44):
obviously need to look in the future into how we
make sure that when the pen is flying around, but
it's reliable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Hey, I see you're considering performance pay for public sector CEOs.
How much are you thinking, Well.

Speaker 22 (01:10:56):
I'm still taking advice on that. But what I want
to see is a cult to performance and accountability in
the public service, and just there as anyone working in
a business actually feel the results of their efforts, we
want public agencies and their leaders to feel responsible not
just for turning up, but for actually getting a result.
And so we've set those public service targets. You'll be

(01:11:18):
aware where said will be measuring performance against them every
three months and making that public. Well, we'd quite like it.
As Chief executives feel personal accountability for delivering against both targets,
and we think performance pay is another way to create
that culture.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
So I mean, it'll be easy enough to set the
targets for somebody who's running let's say the Ministry of Education. Obviously,
how many kids are graduating, passing, what have and health
will be really easy and so on. But how on
earth do you set a target for somebody running the
Ministry of Women.

Speaker 22 (01:11:50):
Well, obviously what the performance will be judged on will
vary from agency to agency, but it might be about
how they're contributing to another target government has in place,
and actually, every single person employed by the government and
a public role with responsibility has accountability, so we should
be able to measure their performance against those accountabilities. And

(01:12:12):
we all know there's some people who do a great
job that go above and beyond their job description, and
there's others who don't. And I think that it's good
to reward those who perform really well, have prepared to
be innovative, to do things differently, to really challenge their teams.
Those are the kinds of go getters I want in
the public service. So let's make sure that we actually

(01:12:32):
have structures that are modern pay structures that reflect that reality.
The private sector do it for a reason, It's because
it gets results.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Do you think Fitch is going to downgrade us?

Speaker 22 (01:12:43):
No, I don't think so. I think that they can
continue to see that New Zealand has a position which
is going to make us a good place to invest
in and then too into the future.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
The one thing that worried me, and what they said
is that I'll be years are behind us. For now.
We had a decade of growth and now we're not
going to have a decade of growth.

Speaker 22 (01:13:04):
Does that worry you, Well, I think our best years
are in front of us. But I think that if
we are complacent, then we could be in for a
continuation of what let's face it has been a pretty
troubling period economically because what are we having.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
But what that points to is the fact that China
fueled our growth for such a long time and now
China is not buying as much of our stuff right
because they're not growing as fast. So what do we
replace China with?

Speaker 22 (01:13:28):
Well, I think if you talk to individual business owners
and sectors across the country, they will tell you that
they see growth opportunity in New markets, not just China,
but also I'll tell you there are cities upon cities,
town upon town that they're still not selling to. In China.
They'll tell you about how they're looking to make their

(01:13:49):
processes more efficient, but they get gamard just on the
products that they create. That they look at to produce
more of their products using modern systems, I'm actually having
enough people working in their organization. I guess my point
is this the idea about what the next big growth
thing is. In my experience, very rarely actually comes from
a politician or government agency. That comes from entrepreneurs and

(01:14:13):
businesses being able to get on with what they do best,
and so as a government, we're trying to create foundations
on which they can do that, to get the barriers
out of the way and let them go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Hey is Winston warming up to the idea of letting
the foreigners come in and buy houses here?

Speaker 22 (01:14:27):
Well, you'd have to ask once about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
But you've had do you know how hard it is?
You've had the conversations with them? Can't you tell us?

Speaker 22 (01:14:36):
Well, obviously we've got a coalition agreement that I respect,
which are the moch national agreed not to progress our
policy to reverse the foreign buy ban and impose a
charge on foreign buyers. Every party in the coalition has
the ability to revisit any aspect of our agreements if
they believe it's in the best interests of New Zealand.

(01:14:58):
So that is ultimately a question for when St Peter's
in New Zealand. First is a government minister, I adhere
to the government policy which is as out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I reckon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
That sounds hopeful, So I'm going to take some hope
from that, Nicola, do you reckon we need to look
into these allegations that were made last week about Chinese
interference in our democracy.

Speaker 22 (01:15:17):
Well, I'm confident that government agencies a all foreign in
appearance seriously and that zan has in place system that
I'm sure we react to that appropriately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Was Jianyang a spy?

Speaker 22 (01:15:36):
Not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Thank you. That was a tough question, Nicola. Thank you.
I appreciate it. Nicola Willis Finance Minister. Then again, then again,
would Nichola have known? So I my mind remains open
sixteen past.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Six crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR.
The HR platform for sm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
On eighteen past six. Listen, there are reports of a
fire coming for it's not a report, I mean you
can actually see it in the video right there is
a fire coming from the engine of a Virgin Air
flight that's just taken off from Queenstown Airport. The flight
didn't take off that long ago, took off just after
six o'clock. It was headed to Melbourne. If you see
the video, because it's quite obviously dark at the moment,

(01:16:23):
so you can see it really clearly, just these like
sort of almost like flares of flame coming out of
the side, which I imagine must be terrifying for everybody on board.
It looks, according to flight radar like the plane is
heading south like it might be. Try going down to
the cargo to land down there. We're going to have
more information for you as it comes to hand on
the subject of planes. Bears center text and saying the

(01:16:44):
taxpayer better assume the brace position when we get that
bill coming. And Nicola didn't know what the bill was
from Air New Zealand. I suspect that Air New Zealand
must have like obviously Air New Zealand must have said, okay,
we're going to divert the Auckland to Japan flight. It's
going to cost you or whatever enormous amount of money.
So perhaps she doesn't know, but I would assume and
hope that the government, before agreeing to it does. In fact,

(01:17:07):
No B says the taxpayer better assume the brace position
because the New Zealand's going to be clipping the ticket.

Speaker 15 (01:17:11):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
A quick look at the AT four economy flights to
Hawaii for the school holidays showed a price of twenty
three thousand dollars. This is not a misprint. Needless to say,
that's economy. By the way, what's that per person? Six
thousand dollars economy? I would that's I would. I would
be like, I'd be like paying business class for that

(01:17:32):
in mine economy. Needless to say, we're not flying New
New Zealand, thank you quantas for our holiday at a
quarter of that price. Fair enough. Hither. The last time
I had a hot drink on a plane was about
thirty five years ago on the rout a Wellington flight.
The turbulence was so bad the cabin crew was sitting
on the floor with the hot coffee pot between their knees.
And also allan says he was once on a plane
that hit turbulence while getting served a hot coffee. The
stewardess said throw that coffee, so I did, and then

(01:17:54):
I got told off because the stewardess reckons. She said,
stow the coffee, which obviously means nothing to an average
pun like you, and I got to use English. Now, listen,
get a load of how creddy it is. For the
cops working at the Auckland District Court building, they work
in a kind of like in the bowels of the
building underneath the courts, right. They got the cells down
there and all that stuff. Apparently it's so hot down

(01:18:15):
there that it can be twenty five degrees at six
point thirty in the morning. Sometimes. That happened at least
twice this year where it hit twenty five degrees and
just like before you could before you'd even clicked over
at eight o'clock, it was already twenty five degrees. One
cop passed out this year because of dehydration because of
the heat. What they do, the police is they take
latex gloves and then they fill them with water, put

(01:18:36):
them in the freezer overnight, and then stick the gloves
underneath their stab proof vests when they're at work to
try to keep themselves cool. This is not good for
the coppers but also not good for the jailbirds because
they are getting too hot. Then they get all scratchy
and act up in stuff, which just makes it harder
for the cops to deal with. And also, these guys
in the police are forced to work in a space
that's made for two to three workers, but sometimes they

(01:18:56):
have to have up to eighteen stuffed into that space. Also,
the air con doesn't work. Despite many, many, many times
telling the Ministry of Justice who run the building the
air con doesn't work, the Ministry of Justice hasn't sorted
it out. How unreasonable is that Even gets worse. The
cop bosses in Auckland have been complaining to the Ministry
of Justice because the cops can't do anything. It's not
their building, right, So they've been complaining to the Ministry

(01:19:18):
of Justice who are in charge of the building, saying,
please can you sort this out? Been saying it for years.
Ministry just keeps on dicking around, does nothing about it.
They first raised a complaint in twenty eighteen, then they
started persistently emailing. In twenty twenty one, they got so
frustrated that the then Auckland top boss threatened to pull
just pull the officers out of the building, like, if
you're not going to fix the stuff, I can't put
my staff in there for health and safety reasons. Finally,

(01:19:40):
the ministry now says they're going to do some work
on it. They say works are going to start next
month in stages. That's going to include earthquake strengthening, recladding
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Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Twenty six past six. Now, the service sector has been
contracting further. The latest Performance of Services Index shows that
activity levels fell three point six percent in May. That
is the lowest level since the survey began seventeen years ago,
with the exception of the COVID Lockdown's. Kirk Hope is
the chief executive of Business New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Hey, Kirk, good evening. Well it's not that good an evening.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
But put us in some context for me. How worried
are you about this?

Speaker 18 (01:21:20):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
I mean I think you just said it's the worst
result monthly results since the saivey began in two thousand
and seven a minute. It's consistent with other data which
we saw for May, which is certainly to spin down
across the board, and particularly in the services sector. It's
consistent with other data that it's out there as well,

(01:21:41):
more generally in business with profit margins below below pre
COVID rates. And then you're looking at corporate insolvencies that
are around about the same level as during the GC.
So this is a pretty tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Not only is the size worrying, but the speed as well. Right,
what does that tell us?

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Yeah, well, I'm mean I think that's that's one of
the biggest challenges is the very speedy contraction. And look,
the reality is if you think about the pace at
which the breaks when on the economy with interest rate rises,
that's starting to flow through in a fairly significant way.
Now that's really what we're seeing, I think in a
lot of the data.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Do you think, Kirk, I mean, we're waiting for the figures,
the GDP figures to come out on Thursday. Is this
going to tell us that we're still in recession? If
you look at these kinds of numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:22:32):
Well, well, I think so, but even if it doesn't,
it will say we're flat as opposed to growing, I suspect, which, again,
you really reflects the challenging set of circumstances. I mean,
I was talking to a business leader on Friday, and
you know, I said how you're feeling, and he says,
the mantra in this industry has survived till twenty five.

(01:22:53):
So that's how they're feeling in general about the state
of play.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Kirk, thank you so much.

Speaker 18 (01:22:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
I hopepefully things get better. That's Kirk Cope, Chief Executive
Business New Zealand. What's the plane doing, Laura. It's flying
in circles, is it. Yeah? So the plane was heading
south to Viicargo and a lot of texts saying it's
now showing up on flate ride flight radar as going
north again to Queens. Sounder's just going around and round
in circles, Heather, the noise from that plane sounded like
a jetboat rivving in our back garden. So I rushed

(01:23:20):
out to see flames in the plane backfiring as it climbed.
The flames stopped, and it turns out that's from Mike,
keep you posted on that headlines next.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Listen, I'm getting what if your text saying that the
plane is coming down to land, plane descending, We'll need
to scramble emergency services at MBERS is coming into Imbicadle
dropping height fast. We also thought it was. That's what
it looked like it was doing. It had come around
and was going to go, but it's now just gone west,
so it's headed it's turned away and headed out towards
Milford sort of in the direction of Australia's obviously not

(01:24:20):
going to go to Australia. Will keep you posted on
how that plays out. Gavin Gray is going to be
with us in ten minutes time. Sir Rod Stewart has
held a concert in Germany. He's been a very very
big supporter of Ukraine and that is constant. He put
up some pictures of Vladimir Zelenski apparently has been booed strength.
The feeling quite high. So Gavin will explain why people

(01:24:42):
are so worried about it. Over there. It's twenty three
away from seven to see The boss of New Zealand
Southby says the government is leaving money on the table
by not overturning the foreign buyer band. You will recall
ahead of the last election, National wanted to allow the
foreign buyers back into the property market, then plan to
tax them and then plan to u that money to
pay for the tax cuts that we're just announced in

(01:25:02):
the budget. But Winston Peter's put the kibosh on it.
New Zealand Southby's managing director Mark Harris is with us now,
Hey Mark, hi, how are you very well? Thank you?
How many How many of these foreign buyers you reckon
want to come into the market.

Speaker 11 (01:25:16):
There's quite a few. I think we're probably turning away weekly.
You know, wealthy foreigners from the US, the UK, et cetera,
you know who are looking at investing in buying homes
in New Zealand we're having to say no to. So,
you know, there's quite a quite a lot of interests
as there always has been in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Why are they so interested in us at the moment?

Speaker 11 (01:25:34):
Well, I think there's a you know, there's multiple things
going on around the world as geopolitical stuff in Europe,
and you know the election in the US, et cetera. So,
I mean, New Zealand has always been of interest, but
there definitely seems to be a pickup of late. You know,
certainly our website traffic from international buyers has increased quite
a lot in the last six months, so you know, those
sorts of things driving interest our way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Are you hearing these industry murmurings that Winston Peter's may
be softening on it.

Speaker 11 (01:26:03):
Yeah, we've had a few of those rumors floating around,
and you know, we're so half expecting in the budget
there might be an announcement around, you know, some easing
up for that fore and buyer rule, potentially a four million,
five million dollar threshold being introduced with a stamp duty.
But you know, it obviously didn't happen, so it must
have been just a rumor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
I think you don't think that. I mean, we spoke
to Nicola Willis about it earlier and she was pretty
coy about it. I wouldn't answer the question either way,
which suggests to me that I don't know, maybe we
can take some hope from it.

Speaker 11 (01:26:29):
What do you think, Well, hopefully, Yeah, you never know,
later in the year or whenever Winston steps aside, it
might be a turning point. It certainly seems to make
sense to us that they would be encouraging any sort
of investment into New Zealand at the moment given the economy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Mark what kind of properties are these people interested in?
Are we talking about like really big gangster pads in Queenstown.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
No.

Speaker 11 (01:26:53):
I had you know, a Sydney investor today this morning
looking at something around three or four million dollars from
apartment and of course Australian can buy here at the
moment without a problem, but generally speaking, it's you know,
four or five million dollars and above. Sure there are
some that are looking for, you know, big pads, but
I think there was a four or five million dollars
threshold that would be sensible, that there was a stamp

(01:27:14):
duty on top of that of ten or fifteen percent
that they were paying, and we could use some of
that income off that tax to put back into social
housing or what not to encourage supply. And I don't
see that affecting the lower end of the market in
terms of prices, which they were obviously initially worried about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
We haven't missed the surge of interest, because remember after
Clovid there was this massive surge of interest in people
moving to New Zealand. We haven't missed that boat, have we.

Speaker 11 (01:27:40):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
No.

Speaker 11 (01:27:41):
I think New Zealand's always going to be a popular
place to visit and to potentially own a holiday home.
You know, it's a pretty attractive place for the reasons aforementioned,
and again we've seen the traffic increase quite a lot
in the last six months. I don't think we've missed
the boat. We just need to make it a lot
more simple for these sorts of investors to come here
and buy a holiday home, because we know when they
come here and they enjoy the place and they have

(01:28:03):
a holiday home that they can use, they then go
further to invest in local community businesses and many examples
of that are in the Southern Lakes, which is where
we're based.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Market's good to talk to you. Thank you for your time, mate.
This Mark Harris, New Zealand Southeby's International Reality Realty Managing
Director Heather Six billion dollars worth of foreign offshore buyers
purchased in Australia in just the last twelve months. That's
approximately four and a half thousand homes. Demand would be
there in New Zealand if we allowed them back in,
especially in the four million plus category. What's the problem?

(01:28:32):
I don't really get it. Winston may need I mean,
maybe now that Winston's had a look at the books
and he sort of understands the situation, and maybe now
that there's been a fair bit of conversation within the
beehive about getting foreign capital into the country, maybe it
will swing him. Awey bid a. Now listen, just a
quick psa. Do you remember that real estate agent who
refused to do the ta kunger Mahori course in order

(01:28:52):
to retain her license, because she argues I would say
rightly that you don't need to learn te kunger Maori
in order to be a realist. That agent like it
might make you life experience better, but is not actually
prerequisite for being able to do the job. She's in
court tomorrow, so I actually forgot that she was taking
legal action. She will be in the arguing in the
High Court tomorrow. Her lawyers are going to be arguing

(01:29:12):
that the Real Estate and Authority did not follow proper
processes for approval of the rules that they used to
make the course mandatory, and that the course is not
relevant to real estate agents practice, and that this was
an unjustified breach of Janet's freedom of speech of expression. Rather,
she is apparently still at risk of losing her real
estate license for five years. That's the period she would
lose it for if she loses in the court, apparently,

(01:29:36):
and there's reason to be heartened by this. Apparently the
judge sees this as a matter of importance because he's
already had a preliminary decision on costs and security and
stuff like that, and in that preliminary decision he said
that this case is in the public interest and that
there are ninety two other real estate agents who are
in the same boat. So do not believe for one
second that she's a troublemaker all by herself. It seems
like there's quite a few of these estate agents. Actually

(01:29:58):
I know why. Yeah, Now I know one who's also
very much in a similar category. Doesn't want to have
to do this stuff. So she's representative now, speaking of
granny flats and where you put the oldies and where
the oldies want to live, there's an interesting thing in
the economist at the moment about the fact that there
are thousands of American pensioners who are retiring on college campuses.

(01:30:18):
And I'll tell you what, this is a bit of me.
I'm up, I think this would be awesome. So what
they're doing is a whole bunch of these universes, about
eighty five of them, have decided to get into the
retirement game as well as just the dealing with the
kids game. So, for example, Arizona State University has got
this twenty story university retirement community that they've built on

(01:30:40):
their campus and three hundred pensioners live there. And when
the pensioners buy into this place or rent into this
place wherever they want to do it, they get a
university pass which allows them to just go along to
the classes. They don't have to sit the exams, but
they can go and listen to the lectures. They can
go along to the cultural events. How good is that?
I mean, like, imagine how good would that be to
spend your retirement. I'm not even lying to you. I

(01:31:04):
want to spend my retirement just doing weird stuff like
studying comparative religious theology like that would be That would
tackle me absolutely pink being able to do that stuff anyway.
They get golf buggies that drive them around, or apparently
a whole bunch of them are still fit enough to
be able to ride their own mountain bikes and stuff
like that. They've got dorms. Their dorms have better food
than what the college students are eating. They've got four

(01:31:26):
restaurants in there. They've got an art studio, they've got
a pool and a gym. They've also got a games room.
And the reason that this sprung up in the first
place was because there was a couple of college presidents
who wanted to retire on their campuses in the nineteen eighties,
and so they said they got the idea going in
there you go. And also for the universities, not only
is it obviously a way to bring in money, but
it deals with the cliff that we've got at the

(01:31:48):
moment with student enrollments. So now you've got a lecturer
might have only had twenty people in a class or whatever.
Now they've got a whole bunch of old people. They're
also bolstering the numbers. How good is that sixteen away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic
Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on news.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Talksb Right, the update on the plane is that the
plane has gone over water. That's like it's gone south
of Invercargol and as somebody has said on the text machine,
looks like it might be dumping fuel, which if it's
going to make an emergency landing, like it's got enough
fuel on board to take it all the way to Melbourne, right,
it's going to have to dump some fuel because you
can't be landing with that much fuel. Also has just
circled back, by the looks of things, Laura heading north

(01:32:32):
to Invercargo again, so it's coming into evigiggle here. This
say is, well, there's no customs in Invercargo. These customers
are going to have to be on board for a
long time and the staff will need to come from Queenstown. Also,
our very own Marcus Lush is heading to the airport.
So well, we will have a correspondent on the ground
twelve away from seven, Gavin Gray, our UK correspondents with us. Now,

(01:32:53):
Hey Gavin, hi there, okay, so tell me what's going
on here. So the Greek coastcard has reportedly thrown people
deliberately into the water, into the water and cause their death.

Speaker 19 (01:33:03):
That's what the BBC is alleging. Its research has shown
the Greek government has long been accused of what are
called forced returns, in other words, pushing people back, in
this case towards Turkey where they've crossed from, which is
illegal under international law. The Turkish authorities were at one point,
of course, in a deal with the EU stopping migrants

(01:33:24):
and refugees from crossing into Greece. That deal in twenty sixteen,
but after four years Turkey said it can no longer
enforce it. And Greece has had some two hundred and
sixty three thousand sea arrivals in the last year alone,
and that's across, sorry, the all of the EU, with

(01:33:45):
Greece receiving about forty one and a half thousand of those.
So it is a massive problem, and Greece is always
being very keen to deny these so called pushbacks. So
human rights groups alleged thousands of people seeking asylum in
Europe been illegally forced back. So in precision, in more detail,
the BBC is alleging that in one particular incident, nine

(01:34:08):
people died as a result of being forced back into
Greek territorial waters. It's alleged that they often arrive in
an island, they are often then prevented from going to
a particular center that they need to in order to
claim asylum. Instead, they're put on a boat and towed
back out onto the water. And sometimes it's alleged with

(01:34:31):
either the valve of the inflatable deliberately loosened, or indeed
the boat is partially punctured. So there are some really
serious accusations here, and the Greeks are saying that's just
not true. We work very hard with these asylum seekers
to process them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Gavin, why is the strength of feeling in Germany so
much re Vladimir Zelinsky that they booed Rod Stewart.

Speaker 19 (01:34:56):
I do know. It's an interesting one, this and it
happened in Leipzig, and it just goes to show I
think that actually there is partially in some areas, a
bit of a tiredness with the whole Ukrainian Russian War.
Of course Europe hasn't suffered in that sense of being
at the sharp end of the war, but prices of

(01:35:19):
fuel and so forth have really rocketed along with wheats,
so they're feeling it that way, and then I fear
as well there is this element perhaps of right wing
groups actually supporting Russia. So what happened was the seventy
nine year old singer was playing at Leipzig's Quarterback Immobilian
Arena and before performing the nineteen ninety one hit Rhythm

(01:35:40):
of My Heart, he calls that a war song and
he's dedicated it to Kiev in recent shows. So before
performing this that Leipzig, the Ukrainian flag was projected onto
a screen behind him and then images of lot of Minzelenski,
the President of the Ukraine, are shown. But that seemed
to prompt loud booze, shouts and whistles from the crowd,

(01:36:00):
with videos from social media showing the crowd appearing to
jeer him as he salutes the Ukrainian president. Now this
is a really interesting aspect in that Sarrod Stuart has
talked in the past about how he believes Russia really
is committing terrible crimes against Ukraine and also revealed he'd
rented and furnished a home for a family of seven

(01:36:22):
Ukrainian refugees here in the UK he said, quote words
couldn't describe what we were watching anyway. Whether he's now
going to have more boeing booing rather remains to be seen.
He is, in fact returning to Germany for a show
at Hamburg's Bartley's Arena later this month before going to
Cologne and Munich, and a representative for Sir rod Well

(01:36:44):
has been asked to comment but has yet to make
any statement.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Interesting Devin, Hey, thank you very much. Enjoy your evening.
We'll talk to you again in a couple of days.
Gavin Gray are UK chris On and got some good
news for you. Looks like the plane has landed in
a Vicago airport safely. You can see. Ben has already
sent that. Laura has been tracking it on the flight radar.
She could see it sitting there at the end of
the runway. How good is that? I mean, geez, imagine
being on that plane, Like you go up and all

(01:37:09):
of a sudden there's a fire coming out of one
of you engines, and that's not fun, right. You'd be like, okay,
I'm gonna make my final phone call, wouldn't you? You would
You'd be like, Okay, I'm going to call the children
and tell them I love them, Tell my mum to
make sure the husband raises the children properly, because I'm
completely untrusted with you. You'd make all of those phone calls,

(01:37:30):
wouldn't you. But look they've gone and landed properly, so
you know, absolutely amazing. There was something else that was
going to tell you. Oh, apparently the reason they couldn't
land in Queenstown is because you need two functional what
are they called engines to be able to land in
Queenstown because the runway so sure, that's why they went
to Vigiggle seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
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on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
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Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
It'd be yeah, it does like the plane has landed.
Fens have just put a little statement out. This is
far an emergency in New Zealand, very much to the point,
not ones to fluff around with, you know, too much information.
They say something has happened to one engine. Like I'm
literally reading you this is verbatim. I'm not improvising on
what they've said. They have said something has happened to

(01:38:20):
one engine. That engine has been shut down. They had
an uneventful flight to in Vericago. Well, I think it
was eventful. I don't think that's a statement of fact. Also,
you were going to Melbourne, but now you're in in Vicago.
You started in Queenstale, but now you're in Vicago. Was

(01:38:41):
that an upgrade? I don't know anyway. In Vicagol though,
On the bright side, in Vicago has got this new
bar that they've done up in like one of their
one of their high rises. That what am I talking about?
Their high rise? And it's one eighty, it's three sixty.
It's three sixty, so you can you can look at
the whole everything around. You can go up. It's very fancy,

(01:39:02):
and they don't meet people in with shorts on and
jandles and crap like that. Like it's you could go
there and you can pretend it's Melbourne tonight and.

Speaker 16 (01:39:09):
Let's see them do that in Melbourne. A Rhythm of
My Heart by Rod Stewart to play us out tonight. Yeah, well,
I mean a figure if it's in the news, we
best play it out. We won't have any of the
booing that was at the light Zig concerts. So if
you're a fan of the Russians, you'll just have to
bool along at home.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Yeah, what's up with the Germans?

Speaker 13 (01:39:23):
Eh?

Speaker 16 (01:39:24):
I mean Israel Palestine. I'd be like, Okay, that's a
contentious one. I didn't realize Russia Ukraine's are contentious one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
Yeah, maybe they've just got sick of Vladimir. I mean
some people would be anyway. Listen, enjoy yourself. Thank God,
I'm still I'm still like, yay that that plane landed.
Aren't you good? For those people? You better buy a
lotto ticket tonight. I think you look well within luck
and I'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 7 (01:39:51):
When scar my heart's been in a lot good The
words alone you rolling off mat.

Speaker 10 (01:40:12):
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Speaker 7 (01:40:15):
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