June 19, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A and Newshub journalist Paddy Gower joined in on a discussion about the following issue of the day - and more!
Prime Minister Luxon's found himself in hot water after calling previous business delegations 'C-list' before heading off to Japan. Is this a bad look for him?
Kane Williamson is relinquishing the Black Caps captaincy in order to make more money playing in overseas tournaments. Is this the right move for him?
The Greens have been caught asking local Wellington businesses to borrow their parking spaces for a party event after scrapping on-street parking for their cycleway. How hypocritical is this?
More people are wearing boxer shorts as shorts - are we into this fashion trend?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With me. Now on the huddle we have Paddy Gower
of News Hub and Jack Tame, host of Q and
A and Saturday mornings on News Talks. There Be Hello
you too.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello Kiday. Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We'll come back to this one. I just want to
talk about lux and though, Paddy, what do you make
of luck and calling the previous delegation see lists well.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
As someone who went on you know, about thirty of
those traps and was very formally in the Z list,
you know when I was a journalist and we literally
were in the minivan that was behind the little car
that was behind the five cars that eventually got to
the front of the matorcade in there. So it's a
proud SEA lister. Look, I think good on them. You know,
(00:36):
it is about taking it is about taking a listers
And and you know, I've got no problem with the
meeting that I was a Z lister and you know,
he's just he's just been he's just been honest. And
if there's a few little egos out there cracked because
they're on the C list, I say, as a proud
Z lister who used to sleep in the back of
the minivan, get over yourself. But I Wilso just walked
(00:56):
past Barry Sofa on the way and who went on
about four hundred and ninety five.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Now, I think he got one of those like crew
club ones for that particular plane. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But he was the best because he was in the
Zealist with the journos. But he acted like he was and.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That they basically let him in, and I haven't seen
that in action.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
What do you reckon, Jack, I'm just reading through some
of the potential sea listers from the last trip. So
if we're to go from the last trip of Chris Hipkins,
we're talking about sea listers including the CEO of the
New Zealand, the CEO of Auckland Airport, the CEO of
Les Mills, the chair of Sea Lord, the chief executive
(01:37):
of Where to Workshop, the chair of Fonterra. So yeah,
I mean, but what about the rest of the list.
Say you're well about Christopher Luxon, but he's got a
high standards this designation. So it just I mean, it
just seems to me like such an utterly avoidable mini scandal,
Like what a what a dumb thing to say? What
(01:58):
an incredibly dumb thing to say, especially when you when
you when you venerate your relationship with the business community,
like and for what gain like a little slight against
the previous government. Sure, but it just just seems like
a real a real oversight, and one that I'm sure
he disappears in memories as quick as possible.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yes, yes, I agree. I agree with you there, Jack.
I think though, that he just told the truth. That's
what he'd say in the you know, in his office
he would have said, I want a listers on my trip.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Here's the thing, though, Patty and I've been about this today, right,
this is his personality. Even before he came into parliament,
even sorry into the leadership. Somebody in the corporate world
said to me, watch out for Chris Luckxen's mouth because
he runs his mouth off about people. And then Nick Minette,
they hear about it and they're upset about it. Right,
So he is known for this. So this is his personality.
So does he just I mean, if this is the
(02:46):
stuff he's going to he's just going to tell the truth.
He just needs to own it, doesn't he just so
apologize for it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So what you say in the office to the public
just keep going.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
There's no zero upside to slagging off the previous delegation.
Talk up this delegation as much as you like, but
I mean, maybe we're the greatest delegation of all time.
But the zero upside and flag not previous delicate.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But this is like asking Trump not to be a buffoon,
right like they are what they are. And if this
is what Luckson's like, he just needs to lean into it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Authenticity is a rare commodity in politics. I agree with
that notion, but I don't know Trump when he doesn't
manages to be funny somehow, and I'm not sure that
Christopher Luxon has necessarily managed that. I don't think for
the guy who constantly talks up his business experience and
his business connections, I just set the zero upside to
(03:39):
being caught out side.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I feel so bad for comparing the two of them.
I apologized to Luxeon for comparing him to Trump. What
do you think, Paddy of Cain Williamson giving up the
captaincy to chase the big dollar, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It just means that cricket and international sport are changing
and money rules. What people have said all the way
along about all sports, that money will eventually take over
and that's exactly what's happened here. We're sending in other
sports like golf, and no doubt we'll see it in rugby,
which is sold which has sold out as well. And
(04:12):
this is what's coming. Get used to it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Couldn't agree more, Jack, I want your take on it.
We'll get it after the break, right, you're back on
the huddle, Patty Gower, Jack, taym Jack, what do you
make of the Cane Williamson news.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, I'm a cricket tragic, which means I'm a Cane
Williamson tragic and I think if anyone deserves a big
pay day in New Zealand cricket, it is that man
for everything he has given us over the last few years.
Patty's totally right. This is the way that all sport
is going. Players are in cent device to chase the
big bucks, and increasingly there's maybe not the kind of
(04:42):
loyalty to some of the national national teams that there
once might have been. That being said, for me, it
all comes down to Test cricket. So long as we
can still have players like Cane Williamson playing Test cricket
and playing Test cricket in New Zealand, I'm Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I don't think you can rely on that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, I see the T twenties, he's definitely going to
be away, but apparently under this new arrangement he should
still be available for the hanging.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
A second is that is that's very specific to this
year because this year we've got the English tour and
it wraps up by I think it's the fourteenth of December,
and the South African TEA twenty things starts like early
early January. So that means if he keeps doing that
every single year, he's not going to be there for
many of the test games, the test matches if they're
in January.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's exactly right. It totally defends on the schedule he
said he might he might be in a position then
to make a choice, do I want to play in
the South African TA twenty competition all play tests? And
someone like came Williamson, I reckon, there's still a test
purist at heart. So I'm going to cross my fingers
and hope that when it comes down to a choice
between playing tests for New Zealand and playing T twenties overseas,
he's going to choose tests. But yep, this is the
(05:46):
way of the world.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, he's hoping we're going to be left with it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
We're going to be left with the Sea Listers. I
was going, let us say that though we can't call
people see list. It's been banned as yeah, well apparently
it's bad, okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, well it's good to know. Thank you for clearing
that up for us, Patty Jack. The Greens are hypocrites,
are they not.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, they are totally And it's pretty funny. I mean,
can you I just imagine being imagine being Julianne Genter
when the staffer had to come in and say, hey,
you know that meeting we were hoping to have, well,
we were just trying to you know, use some initiative
and get some parks or so. We want to get
there nice and conveniently, and it turned out that we
(06:26):
might have upset someone that knew or someone else in
the party might have come across in the past. Of course,
of course, the hypocrites, I mean, we are all hypocrites.
I don't think this is the worst scandal in the world,
but yeah, it just goes to show that, Yeah, as
great as bike planes are, sometimes car parks are actually
that much more convenience.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, the Greens are hypocrites full stop. That's got nothing
to do with what's happened here, just in general hypocrites,
you know, because I actually came past Julienne's officer earlier
this week and there was a very very big high
it was incredibly high green horse out the back, and
they've fallen right off it. They've fallen off their green
(07:07):
high horse, and it's just incredibly funny. And if I
was Julianne, I'd be staying right away from that cycleway.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
They can't because they're electorate office is right by the
side of the way and one of the angry, angry
retailers are there.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No one, no one can stay away from that cycleway
and it's it's actually a tragedy what it's done to
the businesses there. And I agree to the business. I
agree with the business owner that was on before. But yeah,
Julienne should maybe book another nice long holiday stay there.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Femininely, Jack, I don't have a problem with these boxer
shorts that that people are starting to wear as just
like out like normal shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Do you have you look at them? I can look
at them. Yeah, it's all right. When international models are
wearing them whatever, right, or wearing them on the catwalk,
I don't think it's I mean, I'm not going to
cast any aspersions when it comes to Patty's physique. In fact,
I know that he's more than happy to take to
the streets in skin tight light or the kind of
guy with a confidence to pull them off. Given the
(08:03):
nature of my legs, given my pathetic chicken legs, there
is no way on earth you would catch me wearing them.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't have a problem with them, Patty, because do
you know what they look like? They literally look like
Agassi's tennis shorts from the eighties, like George Michael would
have done a wham video in one of them. There's
nothing offensive, just cotton shorts.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I sort of come from the era where it
was fashionable to wear boxer shorts and the rugby.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Shorts and with the top sticking out.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, which is sort of silky ones, which
is a sort of a very random sort of era.
So so I'm no one to judge. I'd probably put
the canary rugby shorts on over the top of them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Would you. I'm going to go down to cotton On
I'm going to buy a pair for myself and I'm
going to wear them in the summer. That ten dollars,
it's a bargain. It's great, guys, thank you very much.
I really appreciate it. Anyway, that's just a fashion tree.
You need to get up on you because that's what
we do. Help you out with that kind of stuff.
On the show, Patty Gower, Jack Tamar Huddle This evening.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to
news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
With me. Now on the huddle we have Paddy Gower
of News Hub and Jack Tame, host of Q and
A and Saturday mornings on News Talks. There Be Hello
you too.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello Kiday. Guys.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We'll come back to this one. I just want to
talk about lux and though, Paddy, what do you make
of luck and calling the previous delegation see lists well.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
As someone who went on you know, about thirty of
those traps and was very formally in the Z list,
you know when I was a journalist and we literally
were in the minivan that was behind the little car
that was behind the five cars that eventually got to
the front of the matorcade in there. So it's a
proud SEA lister. Look, I think good on them. You know,
(00:36):
it is about taking it is about taking a listers
And and you know, I've got no problem with the
meeting that I was a Z lister and you know,
he's just he's just been he's just been honest. And
if there's a few little egos out there cracked because
they're on the C list, I say, as a proud
Z lister who used to sleep in the back of
the minivan, get over yourself. But I Wilso just walked
(00:56):
past Barry Sofa on the way and who went on
about four hundred and ninety five.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Now, I think he got one of those like crew
club ones for that particular plane. That's right.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But he was the best because he was in the
Zealist with the journos. But he acted like he was and.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
That they basically let him in, and I haven't seen
that in action.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
What do you reckon, Jack, I'm just reading through some
of the potential sea listers from the last trip. So
if we're to go from the last trip of Chris Hipkins,
we're talking about sea listers including the CEO of the
New Zealand, the CEO of Auckland Airport, the CEO of
Les Mills, the chair of Sea Lord, the chief executive
(01:37):
of Where to Workshop, the chair of Fonterra. So yeah,
I mean, but what about the rest of the list.
Say you're well about Christopher Luxon, but he's got a
high standards this designation. So it just I mean, it
just seems to me like such an utterly avoidable mini scandal,
Like what a what a dumb thing to say? What
(01:58):
an incredibly dumb thing to say, especially when you when
you when you venerate your relationship with the business community,
like and for what gain like a little slight against
the previous government. Sure, but it just just seems like
a real a real oversight, and one that I'm sure
he disappears in memories as quick as possible.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yes, yes, I agree. I agree with you there, Jack.
I think though, that he just told the truth. That's
what he'd say in the you know, in his office
he would have said, I want a listers on my trip.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Here's the thing, though, Patty and I've been about this today, right,
this is his personality. Even before he came into parliament,
even sorry into the leadership. Somebody in the corporate world
said to me, watch out for Chris Luckxen's mouth because
he runs his mouth off about people. And then Nick Minette,
they hear about it and they're upset about it. Right,
So he is known for this. So this is his personality.
So does he just I mean, if this is the
(02:46):
stuff he's going to he's just going to tell the truth.
He just needs to own it, doesn't he just so
apologize for it.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
So what you say in the office to the public
just keep going.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
There's no zero upside to slagging off the previous delegation.
Talk up this delegation as much as you like, but
I mean, maybe we're the greatest delegation of all time.
But the zero upside and flag not previous delicate.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But this is like asking Trump not to be a buffoon,
right like they are what they are. And if this
is what Luckson's like, he just needs to lean into it.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Authenticity is a rare commodity in politics. I agree with
that notion, but I don't know Trump when he doesn't
manages to be funny somehow, and I'm not sure that
Christopher Luxon has necessarily managed that. I don't think for
the guy who constantly talks up his business experience and
his business connections, I just set the zero upside to
(03:39):
being caught out side.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I feel so bad for comparing the two of them.
I apologized to Luxeon for comparing him to Trump. What
do you think, Paddy of Cain Williamson giving up the
captaincy to chase the big dollar, Well.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
It just means that cricket and international sport are changing
and money rules. What people have said all the way
along about all sports, that money will eventually take over
and that's exactly what's happened here. We're sending in other
sports like golf, and no doubt we'll see it in rugby,
which is sold which has sold out as well. And
(04:12):
this is what's coming. Get used to it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Couldn't agree more, Jack, I want your take on it.
We'll get it after the break, right, you're back on
the huddle, Patty Gower, Jack, taym Jack, what do you
make of the Cane Williamson news.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, I'm a cricket tragic, which means I'm a Cane
Williamson tragic and I think if anyone deserves a big
pay day in New Zealand cricket, it is that man
for everything he has given us over the last few years.
Patty's totally right. This is the way that all sport
is going. Players are in cent device to chase the
big bucks, and increasingly there's maybe not the kind of
(04:42):
loyalty to some of the national national teams that there
once might have been. That being said, for me, it
all comes down to Test cricket. So long as we
can still have players like Cane Williamson playing Test cricket
and playing Test cricket in New Zealand, I'm Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I don't think you can rely on that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Well, I see the T twenties, he's definitely going to
be away, but apparently under this new arrangement he should
still be available for the hanging.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
A second is that is that's very specific to this
year because this year we've got the English tour and
it wraps up by I think it's the fourteenth of December,
and the South African TEA twenty things starts like early
early January. So that means if he keeps doing that
every single year, he's not going to be there for
many of the test games, the test matches if they're
in January.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's exactly right. It totally defends on the schedule he
said he might he might be in a position then
to make a choice, do I want to play in
the South African TA twenty competition all play tests? And
someone like came Williamson, I reckon, there's still a test
purist at heart. So I'm going to cross my fingers
and hope that when it comes down to a choice
between playing tests for New Zealand and playing T twenties overseas,
he's going to choose tests. But yep, this is the
(05:46):
way of the world.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, he's hoping we're going to be left with it.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
We're going to be left with the Sea Listers. I
was going, let us say that though we can't call
people see list. It's been banned as yeah, well apparently
it's bad, okay, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, well it's good to know. Thank you for clearing
that up for us, Patty Jack. The Greens are hypocrites,
are they not.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes, they are totally And it's pretty funny. I mean,
can you I just imagine being imagine being Julianne Genter
when the staffer had to come in and say, hey,
you know that meeting we were hoping to have, well,
we were just trying to you know, use some initiative
and get some parks or so. We want to get
there nice and conveniently, and it turned out that we
(06:26):
might have upset someone that knew or someone else in
the party might have come across in the past. Of course,
of course, the hypocrites, I mean, we are all hypocrites.
I don't think this is the worst scandal in the world,
but yeah, it just goes to show that, Yeah, as
great as bike planes are, sometimes car parks are actually
that much more convenience.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Well, the Greens are hypocrites full stop. That's got nothing
to do with what's happened here, just in general hypocrites,
you know, because I actually came past Julienne's officer earlier
this week and there was a very very big high
it was incredibly high green horse out the back, and
they've fallen right off it. They've fallen off their green
(07:07):
high horse, and it's just incredibly funny. And if I
was Julianne, I'd be staying right away from that cycleway.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
They can't because they're electorate office is right by the
side of the way and one of the angry, angry
retailers are there.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
No one, no one can stay away from that cycleway
and it's it's actually a tragedy what it's done to
the businesses there. And I agree to the business. I
agree with the business owner that was on before. But yeah,
Julienne should maybe book another nice long holiday stay there.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Femininely, Jack, I don't have a problem with these boxer
shorts that that people are starting to wear as just
like out like normal shorts.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Do you have you look at them? I can look
at them. Yeah, it's all right. When international models are
wearing them whatever, right, or wearing them on the catwalk,
I don't think it's I mean, I'm not going to
cast any aspersions when it comes to Patty's physique. In fact,
I know that he's more than happy to take to
the streets in skin tight light or the kind of
guy with a confidence to pull them off. Given the
(08:03):
nature of my legs, given my pathetic chicken legs, there
is no way on earth you would catch me wearing them.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I don't have a problem with them, Patty, because do
you know what they look like? They literally look like
Agassi's tennis shorts from the eighties, like George Michael would
have done a wham video in one of them. There's
nothing offensive, just cotton shorts.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Well, I sort of come from the era where it
was fashionable to wear boxer shorts and the rugby.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Shorts and with the top sticking out.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, which is sort of silky ones, which
is a sort of a very random sort of era.
So so I'm no one to judge. I'd probably put
the canary rugby shorts on over the top of them.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Would you. I'm going to go down to cotton On
I'm going to buy a pair for myself and I'm
going to wear them in the summer. That ten dollars,
it's a bargain. It's great, guys, thank you very much.
I really appreciate it. Anyway, that's just a fashion tree.
You need to get up on you because that's what
we do. Help you out with that kind of stuff.
On the show, Patty Gower, Jack Tamar Huddle This evening.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
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news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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