June 21, 2024 • 9 mins
On The Huddle tonight: All Sports Breakfast Wellington Host Adam Cooper, and sports journalist Jim Kayes.
The Blue will face-off against the Chiefs tomorrow night – only one will reign victorious.
Adam Cooper told Heather du Plessis-Allan “The Crusaders have been incredible – because we’re celebrating the fact they're not there.”
Jim Kayes said “The Chiefs have really surged in the playoffs - if that momentum continues, they’re going to be really for The Blues tomorrow.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
Exceptional marketing for every property but Hellos one a super
title title in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's finals often come down to those moments one try,
I can already all of those little things head up
to big things in finals. And on the sports tititle
of That's this evening, we've got Adam Cooper, host of
the All Sport Breakfast in Wellington, and Jim k sports journalist.
Hello you too, Hello Jim. How good is it to
have a final without the Crusaders?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I hear you stay with that. Yeah, that's good. It's good, Shid.
It's good from a competition perspective. And you know, it's
certainly been good for me looking at Sky because there's
a lot of Crusader supporters at Sky, so I've been
able to wind them up a fair bit about not
featuring in the last couple of weeks of the compin yeah, look,
you know we're going to have a fresh winner. I
(01:15):
guess all of this is that the Crusader has been incredible,
haven't they with celebrating the fact that they're not here,
So it's kind of a backhanded compliment to them that
they've just been so good and so dominant that we're
actually really happy that they're not here now totally.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean, it's nice, isn't it, Coops, because it's a
genuine contest tomorrow. Who would know who's going to win?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Either of them could win, Oh very much so. And
I mean if I think if you're looking at this
game maybe two weeks ago, if we knew that these
two teams are in the final, you'd back the Blues
the whole way just because they have, you know, I
been pretty competitive this season aside from the Hurricanes. They've
set the benchmark right through and the Chiefs had some
pretty bad losses at times through the season. I think
five losses and they were including some big Kiwi Darby's,
so you know, they spilled some games. But I think
(01:56):
the way the Chiefs here, they have just really put
down the throttle in these playoffs. I mean, you know,
a huge quarter final when just being far too strong
for the Hurricanes, just just from the absolute get go
last week and they've really just searched in these playoffs
and you know, if that momentum continues, they're going to
be real tough for the Blues tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's going to be a tough game. I'm looking forward
to it. Jim, tell me who is going to be
the captain of the All Blacks and is Damien McKenzie
the first choice?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Damien McKenzie will probably been first first five unless Scott
Robertson has been out of full Rich Smallinger out of
his hat. And who will be the captain? Well, I mean,
looked if I was at the c B, the short
eyes would be Scott Barrett. I a personally, I'd love
to see Cody Taylor captain your Blacks. Yeah, He's a
(02:47):
fantastic person. He's a first choice in his position, he
plays superbly well, he doesn't get red Carter very often
at all, doesn't really give away dumb penalties, and brings
a lot of money. So, I mean, if I was
to pick someone myself, I'd be going for him, but
I suspect it will more than likely be Scott Barrett.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, what do you reckon coops?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, very similar. Obviously Artie Savier has been in the
conversation as well, But for me, I'd like, you know,
Artie is often the most important player on the park obviously, Well,
rugby Player of the Year and everything like that, and
I think for Artie just let him players game, don't
worry about the captain cy and you know, if he
needs to slot in there and let him do that.
But I just think let him be the force years
on the field without the leadership responsibility. So I'm yeah,
(03:29):
just like Jim, I'm going to be pretty surprised if
we don't see s Barrett named just skipper on Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Coops so wild rugby making a mistake giving the TMO
more power potentially.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, I think so. I've been and the stands for
most of the Hurricanes games here at Wellington this year
and it is just so frustrating every time they interject,
often the microphones and on the speakers, so for fans
to be engaged. Just the less amount of times the
TMOS can get involved, the better. And there are always
going to be problems. There are always going to be
things that aren't one hundred percent correct, but that's rugby.
(03:58):
Players make mistakes, the ref can make the old mistake
as well, and the games to carry on. But any
more interjection it's going to be more frustrating for it.
For the most important people are fans.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think we all react like that, Jim. But is
it possible that if they actually make their calls in
real time, it could speed the game up rather than
going back four or five phases.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The MO should be treated like naughty children sometimes seen
seldom heard, and they should be there at the invitation
of the referee only they shouldn't be able to interject.
And yeah, they should have be able to go back
thirty seven phases where something that is of no consequence
that now is brought into greater influence. I just can't
(04:41):
see here how more TMO can speed the game up.
I just don't see it. And like Adam, you know,
we're imperfect people, human being, sports imperfect and some of
the great things about sport is when things are done imperfectly.
I think if we chase perfection in sport, we're being ridiculous.
And yeah, we want to get things right. Players drop
(05:03):
the ball, miss tackles, kick the ball out, all those
sorts of things. Let's just worry a little bit less
about the match officials and more about the actual game.
You know, they have so much focus on the referee.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, okay, well, I think everybody's reacted like that, which
really says that the CMO has fallen out of favor
in a big way. Let's take a break. We've got
to talk about the Warriors. We'll come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
Unparallel Reach and Results.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You're back with the sports Huddle. I got Adam Cooper
and Jim Kay's coops the Warriors. I mean, that's a
slam dunk when this this this weekend, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, well that the most hardest team to predict the outcomes,
aren't they Just when you think they're on a roll
sometimes and you know they're going to have an easy
win against a team like the Titans, then they go
and they go and shock fans and then justin you
think they're in a bit of a rut, they go
and they go and produce a remarkable victory. So yeah,
hard to know, isn't it. On the back of the
sort of tough loss to the Storm last weekend. I
think it's really interesting now what she is going to
happen with with the harves with with Sean Johnson and
(05:58):
to Mrighty Martin. You know, sure Johnson, someone that has
so much mona within the Warriors, but clearly just isn't
the player that he was even last year when he
returned and made a real influence. So I think some
changes just need to happen there.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you know the are you saying to Marty Martin
needs to be given the number seven jersey?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think so. The best moments of their game last
week was when Tom Marty Martin was on the field
and Johnson had gone off injured. So I just think
at some point that change does need to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, Jim, I feel like there's still pressure on this guy, right,
and like quite.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A lot, absolutely, And every coach is judged by their selections.
You know, most coaches will tell you that selection is
the biggest part of coaching a team. And does Andrew
Webs you know, can he step back? Can he look
at it objectively? Can he make a decision along the
lines of what coops are suggesting and lots of other
people have suggested too, So there seems to be a
(06:49):
ground Sowell of opinion that maybe there's time to make
a change here. But it would be a huge tip
because obviously Sewn Johnson is the blooded Warriors player, but
form wills out eventually, doesn't it and cliches we all
get will slow down and maybe it's time to make
that shift.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I feel like it might be. Listen, okay, Coops,
you worried about the number of cricketers who are opting
out of the central contracts or just obviously prioritizing the
T twenty money leagues overplaying for their country.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's a worry for where the game goes for the fans.
I think he I mean, this is the reality, right.
You can't blame the players for doing this. If they've
got these options in front of you. Of course you're
want to take the money, maximize your income well while
you can still play. But we're going to have I
think tared games for the black Caps, right, You're going
to have a black Caps B team that will play
the likes of Bangladesh and the lower ranked nations in
those series. And then every now and then when these
(07:40):
players feel like it, they'll say, oh yeah, well we'll
come and play these three tests for Australia. So it's
the reality, and this global calendar is going to be
so important with I think a few regulations around players
that represent the national teams because fans I think are
real risk here of being disengaged with the sport that's
had so much popularity here because of the national team,
and we don't want it to kind of turn into
basketball as an example, where people playing for the national
(08:02):
basketball team it isn't their priority. And you know how
many of our top New Zealand players don't play for
the Tall Blacks because they're so tight and with their
clubs and things, and I just think there's a real
risk of that creeping and crickets international relevance really twinning
because we don't have franchise leagues in the Zealand, we
probably can't afford to have too many teams if we
do expand the domestic conversation. So it's going to be
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Their point, but is that And the solution gym is
obviously to have that the very clear windows. This is
your big money window, this is your play for the
national squad window. But is there any sense that this
has actually been considered.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, wow, there's no sense of it. I mean, cricket
is run by India really by the BCC up the end,
and that's where the money, that's where the power is.
And you know you're get a cricket, like Coop said
with basketball, and you know, I think rugby will probably
go this race at in the rugby league has been
down this path as well and football. The reality is
(08:53):
your best players are going to go with the money
is are going to be overseas and you're going to
have to cut your cloth to suit. Just as we
are having conversations about picking all black sub overseas. You
know New Zealand cricket at the moment they only picked
their captain from a contracted player. How long will they
will they have the luxure of doing that, You know,
when will they have to bite the bullet and say, actually,
most of our best players now play overseas and we're
(09:13):
just going to have to pick all of them from there.
It's just the reality of money, isn't it. You know,
you guys have said you can never begrudge them turning
it down, that it's telephone, it's phone.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Numbers, and this is exactly right right. You've got to
acknowledge the power of the money and then you've got
to find a solution around it, not to fight it. Guys,
it's wonderful to talk to you. Enjoy your week in
a sport, there's Jim k sports journalists and Adam Cooper,
hosts of the All Sport Breakfast and Wellington seven o'clock
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talk sai'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
Exceptional marketing for every property but Hellos one a super
title title in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
That's finals often come down to those moments one try,
I can already all of those little things head up
to big things in finals. And on the sports tititle
of That's this evening, we've got Adam Cooper, host of
the All Sport Breakfast in Wellington, and Jim k sports journalist.
Hello you too, Hello Jim. How good is it to
have a final without the Crusaders?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I hear you stay with that. Yeah, that's good. It's good, Shid.
It's good from a competition perspective. And you know, it's
certainly been good for me looking at Sky because there's
a lot of Crusader supporters at Sky, so I've been
able to wind them up a fair bit about not
featuring in the last couple of weeks of the compin yeah, look,
you know we're going to have a fresh winner. I
(01:15):
guess all of this is that the Crusader has been incredible,
haven't they with celebrating the fact that they're not here,
So it's kind of a backhanded compliment to them that
they've just been so good and so dominant that we're
actually really happy that they're not here now totally.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean, it's nice, isn't it, Coops, because it's a
genuine contest tomorrow. Who would know who's going to win?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Either of them could win, Oh very much so. And
I mean if I think if you're looking at this
game maybe two weeks ago, if we knew that these
two teams are in the final, you'd back the Blues
the whole way just because they have, you know, I
been pretty competitive this season aside from the Hurricanes. They've
set the benchmark right through and the Chiefs had some
pretty bad losses at times through the season. I think
five losses and they were including some big Kiwi Darby's,
so you know, they spilled some games. But I think
(01:56):
the way the Chiefs here, they have just really put
down the throttle in these playoffs. I mean, you know,
a huge quarter final when just being far too strong
for the Hurricanes, just just from the absolute get go
last week and they've really just searched in these playoffs
and you know, if that momentum continues, they're going to
be real tough for the Blues tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's going to be a tough game. I'm looking forward
to it. Jim, tell me who is going to be
the captain of the All Blacks and is Damien McKenzie
the first choice?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Damien McKenzie will probably been first first five unless Scott
Robertson has been out of full Rich Smallinger out of
his hat. And who will be the captain? Well, I mean,
looked if I was at the c B, the short
eyes would be Scott Barrett. I a personally, I'd love
to see Cody Taylor captain your Blacks. Yeah, He's a
(02:47):
fantastic person. He's a first choice in his position, he
plays superbly well, he doesn't get red Carter very often
at all, doesn't really give away dumb penalties, and brings
a lot of money. So, I mean, if I was
to pick someone myself, I'd be going for him, but
I suspect it will more than likely be Scott Barrett.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, what do you reckon coops?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Yeah, very similar. Obviously Artie Savier has been in the
conversation as well, But for me, I'd like, you know,
Artie is often the most important player on the park obviously, Well,
rugby Player of the Year and everything like that, and
I think for Artie just let him players game, don't
worry about the captain cy and you know, if he
needs to slot in there and let him do that.
But I just think let him be the force years
on the field without the leadership responsibility. So I'm yeah,
(03:29):
just like Jim, I'm going to be pretty surprised if
we don't see s Barrett named just skipper on Monday.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Coops so wild rugby making a mistake giving the TMO
more power potentially.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Yeah, I think so. I've been and the stands for
most of the Hurricanes games here at Wellington this year
and it is just so frustrating every time they interject,
often the microphones and on the speakers, so for fans
to be engaged. Just the less amount of times the
TMOS can get involved, the better. And there are always
going to be problems. There are always going to be
things that aren't one hundred percent correct, but that's rugby.
(03:58):
Players make mistakes, the ref can make the old mistake
as well, and the games to carry on. But any
more interjection it's going to be more frustrating for it.
For the most important people are fans.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think we all react like that, Jim. But is
it possible that if they actually make their calls in
real time, it could speed the game up rather than
going back four or five phases.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The MO should be treated like naughty children sometimes seen
seldom heard, and they should be there at the invitation
of the referee only they shouldn't be able to interject.
And yeah, they should have be able to go back
thirty seven phases where something that is of no consequence
that now is brought into greater influence. I just can't
(04:41):
see here how more TMO can speed the game up.
I just don't see it. And like Adam, you know,
we're imperfect people, human being, sports imperfect and some of
the great things about sport is when things are done imperfectly.
I think if we chase perfection in sport, we're being ridiculous.
And yeah, we want to get things right. Players drop
(05:03):
the ball, miss tackles, kick the ball out, all those
sorts of things. Let's just worry a little bit less
about the match officials and more about the actual game.
You know, they have so much focus on the referee.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, okay, well, I think everybody's reacted like that, which
really says that the CMO has fallen out of favor
in a big way. Let's take a break. We've got
to talk about the Warriors. We'll come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
Unparallel Reach and Results.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
You're back with the sports Huddle. I got Adam Cooper
and Jim Kay's coops the Warriors. I mean, that's a
slam dunk when this this this weekend, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Well, well that the most hardest team to predict the outcomes,
aren't they Just when you think they're on a roll
sometimes and you know they're going to have an easy
win against a team like the Titans, then they go
and they go and shock fans and then justin you
think they're in a bit of a rut, they go
and they go and produce a remarkable victory. So yeah,
hard to know, isn't it. On the back of the
sort of tough loss to the Storm last weekend. I
think it's really interesting now what she is going to
happen with with the harves with with Sean Johnson and
(05:58):
to Mrighty Martin. You know, sure Johnson, someone that has
so much mona within the Warriors, but clearly just isn't
the player that he was even last year when he
returned and made a real influence. So I think some
changes just need to happen there.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you know the are you saying to Marty Martin
needs to be given the number seven jersey?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think so. The best moments of their game last
week was when Tom Marty Martin was on the field
and Johnson had gone off injured. So I just think
at some point that change does need to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, Jim, I feel like there's still pressure on this guy, right,
and like quite.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A lot, absolutely, And every coach is judged by their selections.
You know, most coaches will tell you that selection is
the biggest part of coaching a team. And does Andrew
Webs you know, can he step back? Can he look
at it objectively? Can he make a decision along the
lines of what coops are suggesting and lots of other
people have suggested too, So there seems to be a
(06:49):
ground Sowell of opinion that maybe there's time to make
a change here. But it would be a huge tip
because obviously Sewn Johnson is the blooded Warriors player, but
form wills out eventually, doesn't it and cliches we all
get will slow down and maybe it's time to make
that shift.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, I feel like it might be. Listen, okay, Coops,
you worried about the number of cricketers who are opting
out of the central contracts or just obviously prioritizing the
T twenty money leagues overplaying for their country.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's a worry for where the game goes for the fans.
I think he I mean, this is the reality, right.
You can't blame the players for doing this. If they've
got these options in front of you. Of course you're
want to take the money, maximize your income well while
you can still play. But we're going to have I
think tared games for the black Caps, right, You're going
to have a black Caps B team that will play
the likes of Bangladesh and the lower ranked nations in
those series. And then every now and then when these
(07:40):
players feel like it, they'll say, oh yeah, well we'll
come and play these three tests for Australia. So it's
the reality, and this global calendar is going to be
so important with I think a few regulations around players
that represent the national teams because fans I think are
real risk here of being disengaged with the sport that's
had so much popularity here because of the national team,
and we don't want it to kind of turn into
basketball as an example, where people playing for the national
(08:02):
basketball team it isn't their priority. And you know how
many of our top New Zealand players don't play for
the Tall Blacks because they're so tight and with their
clubs and things, and I just think there's a real
risk of that creeping and crickets international relevance really twinning
because we don't have franchise leagues in the Zealand, we
probably can't afford to have too many teams if we
do expand the domestic conversation. So it's going to be
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Their point, but is that And the solution gym is
obviously to have that the very clear windows. This is
your big money window, this is your play for the
national squad window. But is there any sense that this
has actually been considered.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No, wow, there's no sense of it. I mean, cricket
is run by India really by the BCC up the end,
and that's where the money, that's where the power is.
And you know you're get a cricket, like Coop said
with basketball, and you know, I think rugby will probably
go this race at in the rugby league has been
down this path as well and football. The reality is
(08:53):
your best players are going to go with the money
is are going to be overseas and you're going to
have to cut your cloth to suit. Just as we
are having conversations about picking all black sub overseas. You
know New Zealand cricket at the moment they only picked
their captain from a contracted player. How long will they
will they have the luxure of doing that, You know,
when will they have to bite the bullet and say, actually,
most of our best players now play overseas and we're
(09:13):
just going to have to pick all of them from there.
It's just the reality of money, isn't it. You know,
you guys have said you can never begrudge them turning
it down, that it's telephone, it's phone.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Numbers, and this is exactly right right. You've got to
acknowledge the power of the money and then you've got
to find a solution around it, not to fight it. Guys,
it's wonderful to talk to you. Enjoy your week in
a sport, there's Jim k sports journalists and Adam Cooper,
hosts of the All Sport Breakfast and Wellington seven o'clock
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
News Talk sai'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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