Full Show Podcast: 21 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's hither duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Youth fulk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today.
The electricity Authority is going to try it well, we're
going to try and ask them what happened to that
power pylon?

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Though?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
With us after five? David Seymour on when we can
expect that a cancer drug funding announcement? If it all frankly,
and I'll explain why. Also the chiefs Assistant Coach David
Hill on that big Super Rugby final tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Hither duplicy Ellen?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Well, Transpower has given us a masterclass and how to
look guilty, hasn't it? How to look like it was
actually your fault? I mean, come on, who doesn't now
think that what happened to that powerpole or that power
pilon is that the crew that we're working there took
the bolts out of the leg which caused the thing
to fall over, which caused the entire region of North

(00:55):
to lose power. Who doesn't think that that is exactly
what happened? And why do we think that? Because Alison
Andrew the chief executive sounded as guilty as all hell
in her media interviews this morning. I didn't want to
talk about it. Really unhelpful to speculate at the moment.
Have to focus on the power restoration. I mean, calme
on no one in twenty twenty four, when modern communication

(01:16):
is in your pocket and you can literally call anyone
you want to if they're within your company, just access
their phone umber give them a phone. No one believes
that Alison Andrew does not already know what happened. Of
course she does. If she doesn't know what already, if
she doesn't already know it, then she sucks at her job.
Because in any decent organization, the first thing that happens
when there is a major snappho, and this is a

(01:37):
major snappho, the first thing that happens is the boss
calls the points person who's on the ground and says
what happened and gets a preliminary idea of what happened.
And the reason they do that is because if there
is a bigger problem that can accelerate or repeat, they
need to know what happens so they can stop it
from happening. Right so they will know they will have
called the person there and been like, what happened? And

(01:59):
they know what happened and you cannot tell me that.
Alis and Andrew, the chief executive, was like, oh did
you call them?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, Now don't tell me. Nah, no, no, no interest,
and no I'm gonna wait for that. No, it's not helpful.
I'll wait for the investigation. No one can tell me.
Alison and Andrew did not herself want to know what
happened for the same reason, to stop it from happening again.
If there was a problem going on, if she's all
any good at her job, she already knows. So why
didn't she just fess up? This morning? She multiple interviews

(02:28):
and she pulled the same lines out every single time,
and it just looks so guilty. Why did she do that?
The reason, I would guess is that transpower is trying
to bury the details until we've moved on and lost interest.
Because right now we you and I are at peak
interest because it's just happened, and because not everyone's got
their power back yet. So we are all and we've
all seen the pictures on Reddit, haven't we, So we're
all super interested right now. But fast forward two weeks.

(02:51):
Fast forward two months fast forward. God only knows how
long their investigation is going to take. Now, all of
a sudden, it's not so interesting, right, and that is
what they're banking on, But it's completely bisfired or backfired
on them because instead of burying the info this morning,
Alison Andrew just completely left us with the impression that yep,
it was them. They just don't want to say it.
And look, there is always the chance that the investigations

(03:12):
will find that it wasn't them. Maybe you never know,
but we all think it was them, now, don't we
together do to see Ellen Electricity Authority with us after five?
Right now, it's ten past four and by the way,
you can weigh in nine two ninety two if you want.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
To, five four three two wine cida.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
This morning, rocket Lab successfully launched its fiftieth mission using
their Electron rocket. It makes rocket Lab the fastest get this,
the fastest commercial space operator to reach fifty launches, faster
than even Elon Musk SpaceX. Morgan Connatant is the vice
president of Marketing and Communications at rocket Lab and joins me. Now,
Hay Morgan, Hello, it's fifty. A big deal in the

(03:58):
space industry, is that, like a milestone you I celebrate.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
It's bigger than you might realize. Getting to one launch
a monumental in the space industry, getting to two or
three is a big deal. A lot of rockets don't
even past number ten. So to get to fifty and
we're talking, you know, globally here is a massive deal.
And to get to fifty faster than anyone else, it
really puts us, you know, up there in rare if
idea with the best space companies in the world.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Who are the best?

Speaker 6 (04:23):
US and space X that's it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
And how many of Elon Musk done fifty as well?

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Definitely more than fifty, but they're into a couple of
hundreds now. But the difference is is how fast we've
got there. So what we've done is proven we're able
to create a completely new rocket for a scratch scratch
scale it really quickly, and obviously that growth trajectory is
now you know, shooting forwards the moon, scus upon and
you know, Eliktum's not our only rocket. We're building Neutron,

(04:49):
which is a much larger, larger rocket designed to compete
directly with SpaceX. So that puts US in a really
good spot. To you know, be a really serious contender
and large launch as well as.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
More so, how how quickly did you guys do it?

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Seven years and twenty seven days off by a day or.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Two, okay, and how how quickly did Elon Musk do it?

Speaker 6 (05:13):
A couple of years longer than that?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Really? So it's actually quite significant, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (05:18):
It's it really is. And I think, you know, typical Kiwis,
we tend to think, you know, we punch above our weights,
put ourselves on the back a little bit and just
carry on and get the job done. You know, we
don't often stop to pause and realize just how significant.
You know, New Zealander's achievements are on the global scale
and rocket leads no are different to that. And you know,
I don't want to turn our own horn, but you know,
this really is a big deal. And you know, I

(05:40):
had to text my mum this morning and say, by
the way, something massive happened. She's such a good job, love,
I'm busy.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Classic. That's also a good thing, though, isn't it, Because
all of our mums are like that in New Zealand,
which means that we just keep grounded because we're like
it's a big deal for us, but pretty much no one,
I'll say.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
And look, you know, it's it's kind of a beautiful thing.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Really.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
There was time when a launch stopped the whole company.
It was massive news and it was all we could
think about for months. And now the team popped into
mission control. We all watched it lift off, you know,
an hour later we were back at work doing the
next thing. And it's kind of just business as usual.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Morgan, who gets to name the rocket?

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Well, it's a team effort. So sometimes our customers put
forward great names. So this mission was called No Time
to Loose and the customer was a French satellite company
and they're from to Loose, so that was a great
name for them. But otherwise we just we put it
out to the team and best name wins.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, it is it an excellent name. What's it doing
up there? By the way?

Speaker 6 (06:37):
So these are Internet of Things satellites, which basically satellites
that provide low bandwidth Internet from space down two sensors
on the ground. An example of that might be a
farmer having a Internet connected sensor in a water trough,
you know, far back in the outback. He'd normally have
to drive three hours to check whether or not the
cattle have water. But instead he can just log into

(06:59):
a phone. That sensor in the water trough is senter
ping up to a satellite set nut and full of water.
You don't need to drive three hours today. And that's
just one of thousands of examples of how you can
use those IoT satellites.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
What do you reckon is the future for space industry
for New Zealand? How big does it get?

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Well, it's it's a multi trillion dollar industry really in
the next next decade or two. I think the real
benefit here and opportunity in the space sector is there's
not actually so much from launch, believe it or not,
despite it being in our name. Launch is really just
the keys to space. You really need three things to
do anything.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
Useful in space.

Speaker 6 (07:37):
You need the ride, which is the rockets we've got.
You need the satellites, which is the hardware, and the infrastructure,
you know, the stuff in orbit that makes it go.
But the real important but here is the data that
you're actually getting down right. Everything else is just a
tool and a ride. So that data might be Internet services,
it could be whether it might be different communications direct
to cell phone internet that it might be disaster to release.

(08:00):
It could be any number of things, and that's really
the real benefit from a commercial standpoint, and also the
opportunity to make life better for us all down here
on it.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, well done, and thank you so
much for your time. Morgan Morgan Cone and vice president
of marketing and Communications Rocket Lab. Somebody needs to text
Morgan's mum and tell her it's actually quite a big deal.
This one is. This one's worth getting excited about making.
Maybe baking a cake or something like that. The rumors
were true, by the way, it's been confirmed. The deadline
was Friday, and here we are on Friday and another

(08:31):
key WE footballer is off to an EPL club. This
one is the all Whites midfielder Marco Staminich gone to
Nottingham Forest. Not going to play I think for Nottingham Forest.
At the outset this is where Chris Wood, another key
WE was already at Nottingham Forest. I don't think he's
going to play for Nottingham Forest. I think there's going
to be loaned to another club that shares the owner
or something like that. But regardless, nine point six million dollars,

(08:53):
how good is that? If you're into football, if you're
a we one and you're playing the football at the moment,
keep playing the football because you can become a rich
guy as well over there, I mean obviously, and you
can also enjoy the game. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Jay of Leaf
for Business Ustalks.

Speaker 9 (09:14):
And b.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoasters with me right now, Hey Piney,
Hello Heather more accurately described as the weekend sport host
because that's the capacity we're talking to you in, because
we've got the weekend sport. Who's going to win the
Super Rugby Final tomorrow night?

Speaker 10 (09:27):
To Poney, I think Blues. I think the Blues will win,
So please everybody rush out and put your money on
the Chiefs. If my records anything to go by, I
think the Blues seem to have a lot stacked in
their favor. They're at home, got the extra day after
their semi final win, which was a lot easier than
the Chiefs, went over the Hurricanes a night later. They've
got their inspirational skipper back. Somehow, we were supposed to

(09:49):
be out for six to eight weeks. He's back after
a fortnight and it just seems as though they're all
on the same page, have been playing well and are
well coached and well drilled. Having said all of that,
the Chiefs are a good team and probably have more
genuine game breakers, to be honest, than the Blues do.
So it could come down to moments and who seizes
those moments and doesn't shy away from them. But I've

(10:11):
got the I've got the Blues winning it narrowly hither
I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
And the thing about the thing that is in the
favor of the Chiefs is that they were here last year, right,
so they've got a bit of muscle memory here.

Speaker 10 (10:20):
Yep. They say you got to lose one to win one.
I know whether that's true. I suppose we'll find out
in about twenty six to twenty seven hours aside, But
you're right, yep, I've been here and done that. But
the Blues of course have as well. They were there
two years ago and lost to the Crusaders. So at
least we're going to have a new champion. Areewa no
red and black and no break dancing after the final whistle?

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I don't Oh, I'm sad about that. I'm sad about
the break dancing because that was a little that was
like a that was like an extra.

Speaker 10 (10:41):
Wasn't it?

Speaker 11 (10:42):
What?

Speaker 10 (10:43):
It was?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Good?

Speaker 10 (10:43):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Am I being too confident if I say to you
that the Warriors are going to beat the Titans because
the Titans suck at the bottom of the table.

Speaker 10 (10:53):
Okay, I mean that was certainly very outwardly confident from you,
I must say. But look, I mean, well, the only
caveat I'd give you is that last time the two
teams played at Mound Smart, the Titans won. That was
on Anzac Day. I had actually a lot of it
from my memory until I checked out a couple of
hours ago. Look, that the Warriors should win. They lost
to the Storm last week, but just about everybody does that.

(11:13):
But one of the three games before that ed Roger
two basis Sheek's back, which is a bigin even though
they've got a few out of origin and suspension, injury, etc.
I don't think you're being outwardly confident or arrogant and
saying it. I fully expect that that will happen on
the Gold Coast tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Oh thank you Piney for saying that Jason Pine Weekend
Sport hosts He'll be back tomorrow at midday and of
course Sunday here on news talk set. But here the
Morgan is so cool to listen to. She's really knowledgeable
and confident. She's the thing I like about Morgan the most.
This is Morgan from from what they called rocket Lab.
Rocket Lab. I almost called them SpaceX and they would
have been like a crime anyway, Morgan. The thing I
love the most about her is her title. Did you

(11:51):
hear it? Vice President of Marketing and Communications. Like that
is some American talk, isn't it that? That is the
kind of title they give you in the Statesmen like you, sister,
are a big deal. Here in New Zealand, we would
have been like Comm's lady Media manager. That Comm's lady
slash media manager. That's what she would have been. But no, no,
these guys are a big deal. So they there's some

(12:12):
big deal titles, and I appreciate that. Hither, an absolutely
huge Chief's flag has been installed on a crane next
to the motorway at the foot of the Bombay Hills.
Must be a few stories. That's cheeky and I like that,
But that's no good to do it there because the
only people, I mean, come on, that's the cutoff, right,
the only people who are going to see that Auckland
is going away for the weekend who don't care about
rugby because they're going away for the weekend and then

(12:33):
all the fans coming in. You gotta put that. You
gotta have some cheek. You gotta put that right next
to Eden Park. Now we're talking reply, take that flag,
put it up next to Eden Park and give us
a little bit of something to talk about. Sad news today,
I mean not entirely unexpected because former Grief Green MP
Keith Lock has been pretty sick for a week while,

(12:53):
but sad news regardless that he did die this morning peacefully,
apparently in the early hours of the morning. He was
from the old guard of the Green, like the Sue
Bradford days, Nandled remember nand or Nanda Tanchas all of
that fun stuff. I feel like he was from the
days of the Greens where they were like definitely more
weird because they did all the Morris dancing and like

(13:13):
smoking like outwardly smoking weed. But more weird is not
bad because it was also like heaps less commie vibes,
so kind of less scary. Those are the days. Ah,
those are the greens of the old days. I like them.
For twenty three for.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Heather Dupicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts,
it's Heather dupericy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
As they'd be four twenty five. Now, look, I'm getting
a lot of theories coming in on what happened to
that power pylon, And in normal circumstances, I would treat
them as just theories. But frankly, transpower had its option,
It had its opportunity to tell us what happened. It
didn't tell us what happened. So I'm just gonna go
with your theory. That's because that's what we've got, got
a vacuum of information. So I want to reiterate these

(13:59):
are just theories. But this is what people are saying.
Someone should, oh, here we go, Heather, No, that's not
the other one. Heither they were sand blasting the base,
and they undered two bolts and the line tension then
pulled it over. Heather, they were going to sand blast
the foot foots at other correct English is actually feet
and they were supposed to only do one at a time,

(14:19):
but then to save time, they underd the bolts on
two of them, and then the wind died the rest.
And these things weigh about five hundred tons. Thank you,
Steve from Tekiwitty. Laura, the producer was talking to somebody
she knows who works in the electricity industry, and that
person told Laura, who told me, and I'm now telling
you so it's a theory basically that there said so
much Chinese whisper there, you need to be a bit careful. Anyway,

(14:42):
they said that what happened was actually they weren't sand blasting.
They were spraying like an anti corrosive thing on and
in order to you know how you do that, like
anti rust stuff and whatnot. Anyway, and they were being
very diligent. They wanted to get in all the little
nooks and crannies and want to miss anywhere, so they
took the bolts out so that they could get it
into the little corners. Well, they got into all the corners,

(15:03):
didn't they They got geez, they got they got into
all the corners off the country. Because we're talking about
it now, you can tell that the sand blasting theory
came from Reddit because it looks like a sand blaster
in the corner of the photograph, but it could also
just be in like a battery operated sprayer of paint
or whatever. Anyway, you can tell that they definitely took
the bolts out because if if the bolts had been

(15:23):
in and then the wind had toppled it and there
wasn't that much wind, it would have ripped or mangled
the metal like you would see that there had been
some tension. There ain't nothing of the sort. There is
just a couple of perfect little round holes where a
couple of bolts should be, and they ain't there anyway.
Electricity Authority is one of the lot that started an investigation.
We'll talk to them after five o'clock. Headlines are next.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Need, It's beautiful season, hard questions, strong opinion.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Ever dupice allan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and used to talk as it'd be.

Speaker 12 (15:59):
Playing.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, he's drinking night, you're thank him about me when.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
You're riding where he's driving now, you miss lave streat Devin.

Speaker 11 (16:08):
You see when you're.

Speaker 13 (16:09):
Faith and drinking.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Hey, by the way, just a little thing for next week.
Do you realize the All Blacks captain is going to
be announced on Monday? So Monday is going to be
a big thing. I think it's after six o'clock night,
isn't it. They're making it quarter to six weird time. Oh,
they'll be doing it just for the evening news. That's
why I remember that the evening news old days. Anyway,
they're doing it for the evening News. It's obviously not
just the All Blacks captain that's being announced, it's the

(16:33):
whole squad. But the All Blacks captain is in particular
the thing. That's the thing we're interested. I'm also interested
in whether Damien Mackenzie is their first choice. We're going
to talk about that later in the program with the
sports tuddle with us obviously after half past five, so
we'll get across that. Hither are they going to be
drug testing the maintenance crew, because honestly, to be stupid
enough to take both those bolts out, he'd have to
be stoned. It's a very good question, Ron, and actually

(16:54):
they're going to have that. They will have to look
into that, and if they don't, they will get questions
about it. I would imagine certainly for me. Now you've
put the idea in my head. Now read the FARMAC funding.
This is not looking good. It is not looking good
for the Farmac funding for those thirteen cance drugs. I'm
going to explain that to you very shortly, and then
after about round about ten past five thereabouts, we're going

(17:14):
to talk to David Seymour about it. Stand By twenty
four away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Russian President Vladimir Putin says he might provide some weapons
to North Korea. South Korea has announced it might send
arms to Ukraine. Putin says if they do that, then
he might send them to North Korea. In response, US
State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller isn't terribly thrilled by this idea.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
It is incredibly concerning.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
It would.

Speaker 5 (17:41):
Destabilize the Korean peninsula, of course, and potentially give it
depending on the type of weapons they provide, might violate
you and Security Council resolutions at Russia itself has supported.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
The boss of News Corps in Australia has accused Meta
of trying to blackmail the government. Michael Miller aong with
the bosses of seven and nine, spoke to a select
committee about Meta's plans to end in agreement that saw
the social media giant pay ozzie news companies for their content.
Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 14 (18:09):
Meta is preparing to blackmail not just us in the
news industry, but I'll say you as a government, it
is getting ready to say if you dare designate us
under the Media Bargaining Code, we will punish you by
blocking a strain access to local news.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And finally absolute bang am I right?

Speaker 15 (18:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (18:33):
John bon Jovi has been accused of selling fake autographs.
Fans who bought the signed copies of bon Jovi's latest
album noticed that the signatures all looked like, weirdly the
same and an autograph authenticatus is Yeah, they were clearly
machine generated. The autographt album was available for exactly the
same price as a regular copy without an autograph, which
actually should have been our first clue. But quite a

(18:53):
few fans still want their money back.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind,
a New Zealand business Dan.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Mischison, US correspondence with US Higden. Hey, hither so this
New York judge has dismissed the trace passing cases, right, Why.

Speaker 16 (19:09):
Well, it's kind of interesting because they said they just
didn't have the evidence. I mean, there's fifteen people that
still face charges, and so you asked, well, what kind
of evidence were they looking for? You kind of wonder
about these were people who entered the building without permission, unlawfully,
they barricaded themselves inside. They were forcibly removed by policeness.
All has to do, of course, with the dozens that

(19:30):
were arrested at Columbia University's Hamilton Hall during the pro
Palestine protest about a month or so ago. So what
they're saying is that the district Attorney's office has declined
to prosecute cases where they get a large number of
people who were arrested as part of civil disobedience. So
the judge said, okay, we're dismissing thirty of these cases.
These people have no criminal history, and I guess part

(19:51):
of the reason is the prosecutors had just limited video evidence.
They said, the security cameras were covered by certain people
as soon as it started, and prosecutors can identify everybody.
So that's kind of where the difficult part comes in.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Right, what's up with these Mexican ca tels.

Speaker 16 (20:08):
You know this. There are tunnels, there are who knows
how many tunnels between Mexico and the United States. But
this is a tunnel that reaches from part of Mexico
into El Paso, Texas, where illegals are charged up to
fifteen thousand dollars or more to come into the country.
And apparently now the cartels are offering what has been
dubbed VIP packages. They have everything functions by codes. These days,

(20:29):
the cartels give their VIP customers and they're delivered by
cell phones, so that identifies which cartel you can call
them a travel agency a migrant is working with. So
whether you're a local police officer or your rival criminal gang,
you know not to harass these people. And I guess
the way they get through is a lot more comfortable.

(20:52):
And experts say the return on investment on trafficking humans
has actually overtaken you know, drugs over here. They say,
a quelo of cocaine, my get you fifteen hundred dollars,
a little more, a little.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Less, but the risk is high.

Speaker 16 (21:03):
The cost benefit of trafficking a person is anywhere from
ten to twelve maybe fifteen thousand dollars. So they're coming
from all over around the world. Some are even paying
seventy five thousand dollars from China to get.

Speaker 11 (21:13):
Into the US.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, and the interesting thing about the people from China
is they're actually middle class, aren't they. It's not like, well,
it's not people who you would consider necessarily be super desperate.

Speaker 16 (21:21):
No, no, they're not. And these are people that have
to have that kind of money. I mean, the people
that are coming up from the southern part of the
Mexico here, they just don't have that because you have
to grease the palms of so many people. There's officers
and border patrol and police and the people who transport them,
the cartels. So I mean, this is kind of what
I look at as a perfect example of a trickle
down economy because it involves almost you know, a thousand

(21:43):
people a month at this one crossing, but you go
through dozens of people to get there.

Speaker 10 (21:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Absolutely, what's happened with the cyber tag.

Speaker 16 (21:49):
They're still trying to figure this out. There's this company
that provides car dealerships across the US and at North
in Canada with software and it manages sales and services
and they've been hacked. So that prompted the company to
shut down most of its symptoms or systems rather on Thursday,
and this impacted about fifteen thousand dealerships for making sales
and big companies like General Motors. So they thought they

(22:12):
had a handle on it yesterday, happened again today and
the companies are now saying this outage could affect dealerships
for days. So you're talking about a data breach hack
that could cost you know, dealerships around the country here
and not to mention exporting to other countries hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of dollars. And this is, you know,
something that we're seeing happen more and more frequently over here.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Dan, thank you for running us through and joy your weekend. Mate.
That's Dan Mitchinson, now US correspondent. Hey, that the picture
of the power tower's foot PowerTower power pylon's foot I've seen,
assuming it's legit, I think it is legit. I'm looking
at the same photograph on Reddit has about eight holes,
so surely no one would remove all eight bolts. Surely,
and yet they did. And yet they did, didn't they

(22:57):
In a theory that we are promulgating at the moment
they tell you what though, it does raise some questions
about the security of the network, doesn't it like if
because you can just wander up to these pylons, if
you were stupid enough and bored enough, right, and if
these guys could just go like sixteen times or eight
times or whatever it is, and there you go. Jez

(23:17):
It makes you wander anyway, won't be giving anybody ideas.
But it doesn't fill you with a lot of confidence,
does it. Anyway? The Electricity Authority is going to be
with us after five o'clock, tell us what they think
has happened there now, as you know, the decision on
the thirteen cancer drugs that National now has to keep
the promise on is going to go to Cabinet on Monday.
They are considering three ways to make there's a total cluster.

(23:40):
They should never have promised to the thirteen cancer drugs
because we've got over the head of far Mac and
you never do that right. They are considering three options
for how to fix this situation. The first one is
that they tell Farmac you've got to buy those thirteen drugs.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
They cannot do that. They will not be a preferred
option because far Mac is supposed to be independent. You
don't tell farm Mac what to buy. That's the whole
point of farmacs. So you could basically go scratch. They're
not going to do that. The second way that they
could do it is they could set up a separate agency,
not Farmac, just another agency to buy the thirteen cancer drugs.
That's a possibility, and it did happen during COVID, so

(24:15):
they could do it again with the COVID drugs. They
could do it, but it's set a really really bad precedence,
so it's not the favored option. The third option, which
sounds like the most likely one at this stage, is
that they could give Farmac a pool of money to
work through its wish list until the drugs are funded.
Now that is a really bad option because there is

(24:38):
no It could be years. I mean, how long is
that wish list? How much money? How long is the
wish list? How long is it going to take Farmac
to work its way all down that list before they
finally get to these thirteen drugs, some of which are
not even on the wish list. Like literally, if they
choose option three, it's just breaking the promise. All over again.
So anyway, I don't quite know how the square this circle.
David Seymore is going to be with us a ten

(24:58):
past five. We'll ask him about that. Barry Soper's next
sixteen away.

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Speaker 3 (25:05):
Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US Now, Hay Barry,
good afternoon, Heather guilty just transpower, Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 12 (25:14):
Simeon Brown was up in fun array today. He's ordered
the Electricity Authority to review the collapse of the pylon,
and he also said that the government may consider setting
up an independent inquiry. I'm gonna I'm going to volunteer

(25:34):
to head that inquiry because I could tell them what
happened now, money for Jim, Yeah, and then take three
months like they always do with inquiries. And as you say,
it's money for Jim, you only have to look at it,
and you don't have to be an engineer. You have
to have a little bit of common sense. Not even
that I've studied the pylon and the two plates that

(25:55):
are in the ear that once held the pile. On
one side of it, there are sixteen holes still very
clean and I'll tell you bolts, yes, exactly, if they
had wrenched out of the ground, the bolts, these plates
would be severely damaged. But they're in perfect conditions. So

(26:18):
inquiry overdone.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
And I mean it's a pity. It's a pity for
Allison Andrew and her attempt to avoid answering that question
today that this entire country is made up of di
wires and we pretty much understand how that works.

Speaker 12 (26:30):
You have to look suggesting your listeners and are unsure
about it, can't have a look a photograph.

Speaker 9 (26:36):
Now.

Speaker 12 (26:37):
It did knock out though power to one hundred thousand users,
and that's significant. Thirty thousand was still off still in
the dark last night. You imagine if you had a
freezer full of food and you're still out of power, you'd.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Be a bit concerned of the ice cream there.

Speaker 12 (26:52):
Brown was there, as I said today, and he said
the event was totally unacceptable.

Speaker 17 (26:56):
Everyone's been doing their bit, but to be honest, as
complete unacceptable what happened yesterday. You know, a pylon should
not just fall down. You know, that is something that
should not happen in New Zealand outside of a major
type of event. So we need to get to the
bottom of what happened, understand the facts. There needs to
be accountability for that and appropriate actions to follow those reviews.

(27:19):
Transpasmatical people were working on that particular pylon at the time.
There's an investigation in a way in regards to what
Transpower is doing, but look, we're looking at some of
the wider issues as well, and we want to make
sure that there is appropriate accountability.

Speaker 12 (27:32):
So I wonder what form that will take. You shouldn't
take bolts out of plates holding pilon.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I feel like somebody may need to go and find
a new job, you know what I mean, one that
doesn't involve drills. Okay, now what does what do they
do about the cancer drugs? How do they get them purchased?

Speaker 12 (27:52):
Well, like you said that they will the ministers consider
it on Monday, and I would imagine that National is
ruing the day that it made the promise during the
election campaign that it would fund these thirteen drugs. So
you know, you've outlined the three options. I've talked to
people in the industry today and it seems that what

(28:16):
will happen on Monday, a considerable amount of money will
be offered. What not offered, it would be given to Farmac.
Six hundred million dollars they're talking about.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
And.

Speaker 12 (28:29):
You can imagine behind the scenes, and again this doesn't
take a rocket scientist, but behind the scenes, the government
will make it clear that some of this money and
I know they've got lists, and you're absolutely right, Farmac,
but they would I think Farmac would be ignoring reality
if it didn't realize what the government would want to chase.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Here are you suggesting that the government's going to save them,
here's six hundred million dollars for you, Farmac, you wonderful
independent agency thing that we tell them to do by
the drugs.

Speaker 12 (29:01):
Yep, absolutely, and I think that's what will happen.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
And Sarah fit because she's so desperate to keep her
job and not be fired when she's tell us And
of course, are you then also suggesting that having Paula
Bennett a friendly on the board would be quite helpful.

Speaker 12 (29:18):
Absolutely? So okay, yep, So we'll see it. It'll be
good because people that desperately need these cancer drugs, right,
we'll finally get them.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
The Darling Tana allegation, I think is the most the
most interesting thing about it is that there are text
messages which show that she was involved in the hiring
of people on visas that are a little bit dodgy,
and it ties her to what was going on.

Speaker 12 (29:41):
Well not even a little bit dodgy. I mean, there
was a worker that was on a seasonal work visa,
which limits workers to being involved in the horticulture and
viticultural industries. But she said in these texts that the
worker should in fact stay on in the bike shop

(30:05):
her husband was running, and even during the COVID lockdown,
as she said it was essential work. I don't know
why electric bikes are essential work during the COVID lockdowns,
but nevertheless that apparently was said. She's now been what
over three months off work on full pay. I think
the Greens are really, I don't know, going beyond any

(30:28):
tolerance the public should have of them here because you know,
this length of time, rachel Bert will be having a ball.
She's a barrister and she's associated now well yeah, and
associated with the Green Party. And this has dragged on
for far too long. I've constantly texted Chloe Swarbrick. She

(30:51):
did reply to me up until the point.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
And she's ghosting you now.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
It's basically the muss will be texting myself because I
get no reply to Chloe.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
It's getting ally so thank you, Barry, appreciate it. We'll
rap the political week that was quarter past six of
you again. That's very so for senior political correspondent. Seven
away from five.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The Mike Hosking.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Breakfast, Finance Minister Nicola Willis is with us.

Speaker 8 (31:15):
What we are seeing in our forecast is that this
is kind of what there is is banks if they
were engineering, if they wanted to see the slowdown, well
this is a slowdown and what we want to see
is productive growth coming back into the economy.

Speaker 12 (31:29):
What you've just outlined a big picture of things. You're
asking New Zealand is to endure a very long period
of very difficult times.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
I'm also delivering things this year. I think it is
really important that text reduction is coming at the end
of July. That is sunlight and what would otherwise be
a very challenging winter.

Speaker 18 (31:46):
Back Monday from six am The Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguine News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Four away from five years. I've almost forgotten. I need
to get you across the knobby Clark situation in the
Cargo Nobby Clark. There have been calls for him quit
as the Vicargo mayor basically because he's embarrassing the city.
And he has today that had a meeting. They had
a meeting about three hours ago, and he's refusing to resign.
As a result, the council has voted to censure him. Now,
I'm not sure if you've caught up on what's been

(32:13):
going on. This is the guy who went on that
guy William's interview and said the N word, Remember, like
to make a point. I think that I don't really
know anyway, whatever he was trying to make a point. Now,
Apparently back in March he went along to a firefighters
event and it was a prize giving dinner and he
was an honored guest and they put him and his
wife at the VIP table, and apparently his behavior was

(32:34):
so bad there was a formal complaint made to the
council about it. Apparently he was articulating some disturbing and
offensive views. This is the letter complaining. Initially our guest
our guests passed the comments off as banter. However, the
banter intensified, including disparaging remarks made about Aucklanders and young
people in positions of authority, which was clearly directed at

(32:55):
others sitting at the table and those who hold office
in nearby parts of the country. Ben Bell, ben Bell,
I mean calor it must be about ben Bell right.
The mayor also described a massive divide between volunteer and
paid five five fighters which are simply unfounded and misleading.
He threatened them to say it on stage, according to
his speech. According to witnesses, during his speech at the lecton,

(33:15):
on stage, he proceeded to mock disrespect to great, offend
and embarrass our members, staff and other guests took a
crack at the MC who was living in Ponsmby also
suggested she and somebody else were having an affair like
he was just out of hand. Anyway, he's not quitting.
We're going to talk to one of his fellow counselors
about it. In twenty minutes. News Dog ZB.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 11 (33:50):
Z B.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Evening. There are a couple of investigations underway now to
figure out why a power pylon just fellover, knocking out
the power to all of Northland yesterday. Transpower's boss this
morning would not be drawn on what happened, but the
Energy Minister Simme and Brown later in the day confirmed
that yes, the Transpower crew was working on the pilon
at the time. The Electricity Authority is conducting one of
those investigations in the Chief Executive, Sarah Gillies is with us. Now, Hey, Sarah, Hi,

(34:17):
what happened?

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Well, that's exactly what we want to find out, So
you know, it's really important that we get into finding
out what happened here. Consumers have a right to have
confidence in their electricity supply and we need to know
what happened and give them answers.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Do you know what they were doing there? What was
the work they were actually doing.

Speaker 6 (34:35):
I don't know the details of that, but that's part
of what we want to find out. We really just
need to understand exactly what occurred, and we want to
do that as quickly as possible so that we can
get answers.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
To what's the value in you guys, The Electricity Authority
doing an investigation of Transpowers already doing an investigation.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Well, we we're the regulator and we're independent, so absolutely
understand that they would want to do their own investigation,
but we've got the ability to do that independent later
investigation into what happened. We're also really here on behalf
of consumers and so that's our job is to is
to help consumers have confidence in their electricity supply.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Do you have the power to force compensation or to
fine or to do anything like that.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
We've got a range of powers, so this review, this
is something that we can do that looks into exactly
what happened. We've also got other powers that relate to
understanding if there's been any breaches of the rules and
ultimately what the consequences would be if there has been.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
If you were to find that a Transpower crew was
working there and just under the bolts and the thing
fell over knocked out power to our whole region, what
powers would you have then to censure Transpower or punish them.

Speaker 6 (35:43):
Well, it depends exactly on the circumstances. That we do
have powers that are quite broad, both in terms of
understanding what's occurred and in kind of the broader implications,
but also specifically if there has been a breach of
the rules. We've got powers there to enforce compliance with
the rules and our stimately there are consequences for that.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Right, So it doesn't sound like you've got the power
to find and you haven't got the power to force
compo right.

Speaker 6 (36:06):
Oh no, no, no, we do so through our compensation
or through our compliance processes. There is ultimately the ability
for there's an independent tribunal called the Rulings Panel, and
they would ultimately be able to make orders that could
include compensation.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Can you only order compensation if there's been a breach
of the rules, or can you order compensation if people
have just been unbelievably stupid?

Speaker 6 (36:29):
Well, in our case, it has come down to breaches
of the rules. But the powers that we've got, But
because we're doing this wider review, we've got the ability
to kind of get into exactly what's occurred and make
broader recommendations as well. So that's a big part of it.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Are you considering sabotage here?

Speaker 6 (36:46):
I don't have any specifics on what might have occurred.
I think the important thing for us is to find
out exactly what's happened here. Where are preminded to understand
exactly what's occurred. We'll be asking all the questions and
making sure that we're getting answered.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
How long is this instigation going to take?

Speaker 6 (37:02):
Well, we want to move really quickly, so one of
the things we're going to do is to the investigation
in phases and that enables us to really quickly to
get some answers early on, and then also balance that
we're doing a comprehensive piece of work as well. So
the first phase we'd be locking, we're still consuming the
scope in the terms of reference that we'd be locking.
Subject to that scope being confirmed, we'd be looking to

(37:24):
have something by the end of July.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Sarah, appreciate it,
Sarah gilly CEO of the Electricity Authority Together Clan. Sounds
like Cabinet's going to decide on Monday how to fund
Nationals thirteen cancer drugs. The word is the Cabinet will
bump farmac's budget up by about six hundred million dollars
over four years to make that happen. David Seymour is
the farm AC Minister. Hey, David, David good is that
one of the considerations a funding boost of six hundred million.

Speaker 15 (37:50):
I'm going to put numbers on it, but you don't
actually need any special inside information to work out that.
Nicola Willis really set out the options about two weeks ago,
and I think she did a very accurate portrayal. Either
FARMAC could be instructed to fund specific drugs so the

(38:12):
government can keep its promise to national and there's patients.
That that would be I think an extraordinary departure from
Farmac's independence, but a logical possibility. Some other entities such
as what Labor did to buy the Farmac sorry COVID
vaccines could be set up again pretty radical move. The

(38:34):
other is to give more money to FARMAC, protect its
independence and keep giving it money until more pharmaceuticals come out.
And that of course is the third logical possibility.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, the third option is obviously the one that would
be preferable. But how long would that? I mean you
could go for years even decades without the stuff being funded,
couldn't you?

Speaker 15 (38:58):
Well, that's not necessary, verily true. You know, Harmak at
any given time has its options for investment lists, which
it's already done the maths on and said, if we
had an extra dollar, we would buy more of these treatments,
because those are the ones that, according to our formula,
would deliver greater benefits for people who are fighting various conditions.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
Up and Dounew Zealand.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Are all thirteen of these drugs on that wish list?

Speaker 15 (39:28):
Well, I wouldn't even be able to ask Pharmak if
that was the case, because the whole point of it
is that there are at Arm's links from politicians and
they're independent. And what's more, if I can find out,
then of course you end up with a situation where
politicians are basically sort of winking a nudge guiding the

(39:50):
decision making by giving money to get to a certain
drug on the list. So that's not how it works
and not how it should work.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
You would never go down on that path, would you
as a cabinet David. You would never give them six
hundred million dollars and then expect them to fund these
thirteen drugs.

Speaker 15 (40:07):
Well, I think we have to be really clear that
you know, if farmac has some challenges, there's no question
about that. I've been quite open about it. It's part
of the reason why I took it on, and that's
around listening to patient voice, being prepared to show how
funding more treatments can save the healthcare system and the
government money elsewhere. It's about how they deal with devices

(40:28):
which are sort of half responsible for, and I think
it's generally to do a thing a bit more collegial.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
I've been quite open about this chriticisms.

Speaker 15 (40:35):
However, the pharmac model at Base is run by some
very able people, very good at pharmacology and finance. They
make good decisions or the bust decisions, and they negotiate
with the pharmaceutical companies on behalf of all of us.

Speaker 10 (40:52):
And that hard core of Farnac I think.

Speaker 15 (40:54):
Is something that we should be very pleased to have
as a country. I think it serves us well and
we should almost be very cautious about compromising it.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
David, thank you for your time. Appreciated. Good luck on Monday.
That's David Semoor, the Farmac Minister, be dealing with it
on Monday at cabinet. Heather, How ironic isn't it that
Nobby rolled sir Tim for being embarrassing. Very good point, Rob,
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co dot inzge do see Allen eighteen past five. Now
Noobby Clark has refused to resign as in Vicago mayor
at a special council meeting today. The mayor had been
accused of calling firefighters at an event second class citizens,
and then insulting the MC at a dinner that he
recently attended by wrongly implying she was having an affair.

(42:26):
Counselor Rear Bond says, this is unacceptable. She is a businesswoman,
a businesswoman that deserved a hell of a lot more
respect than she was given. To imply that she was
having an affair with the president.

Speaker 19 (42:40):
Is one of the most horrific things that a female
professional can be accused of.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Here's what the mayor had to say.

Speaker 20 (42:45):
I have already apologized in writing to the complainant. I
do not accept that the public complaint that is outside
the scope of this code of conduct should be dealt
with in this way.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
The council narrowly voted against asking the mayor to resign.
Ian Pottinger is an in the Kangol City Council and
with us hey, Ian, well hi, how did he manage
to win their vote?

Speaker 9 (43:10):
Well? It was six or five.

Speaker 21 (43:12):
The one councilor's overseas nobby was unable to vote, so left.
I think I went around the table got the five
ball and then acting chair the deput Mayor was voted
in favor not to ask for his resignation.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So you guys instead asked him to do fewer public
appearances for the remainder of.

Speaker 21 (43:33):
The current Well I did. They wrote down some pretty
weird resolutions and in some ways, I don't know. Did
you listen to it today?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
No?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
No, no, I didn't listen to it.

Speaker 21 (43:45):
Okay. So what they resolved and I made sure that
they got their writing rights. They've acknowledged that he's on
diminished duties doing due to health condition, and so what
that plays into.

Speaker 22 (43:59):
I know how long I've got, But there's a.

Speaker 21 (44:01):
Section of the Local Government's Act which I'll be that
that is going to be played out, and I'll read
it to you, and I.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Really have to just summarize it. What does it say?
So basically, if they've got a health condition, that on
you okay.

Speaker 21 (44:17):
So basically basically you can go to the district court
filing out for David saying that the member is not
capable of doing this job. The judge looks for it
and then goes okay, and then he asked the member to.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Prove that he's okay.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Are you going to do that.

Speaker 21 (44:35):
They've just opened the avenue and I warned them about
this particular clause during the meeting.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah, okay, do you reckon? He's going to listen to
you though, if you say please don't do as many appearances,
will he actually follow?

Speaker 21 (44:45):
Oh? Well no, that's I don't know if he's going
to listen to the ruling a council, but he may
have to listen to the district Court judge.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Okay, well, Ian, the best of luck and keep us posted.
And sorry for asking you not to read the Local
Government Act. I mean, I don't know how to say
it nicely, but there's there's dry there's some dry stuff
there got on your Ian Pottinger in Thecagol City councilor
love a details guy though, way sabotage heither. That's a
conspiracy theory if I ever heard one, but it was

(45:12):
probably aliens. No fair enough, the sabotage thing, I don't look.
The reason I wasn't listening to the Mbcagol City Council
meeting was because I was listening to sam in Brown's
press conference and somebody asked them. Somebody was like, was
that sabotage? I was like, why why are you asking
that question? I mean, okay, we'll leave all options open,
but there was a crew there, so I think we're

(45:33):
coming to think, well, while you're at it, ask ask
on behalf of the texture. If it was aliens as well,
we may as well just cover everything. Then five two.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
us talk.

Speaker 11 (45:50):
Said Bee.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I'm getting a lot of texts suggesting that maybe the
guy who burned down the Sky City Convention center's taking
up a job at Transpower And you know what, well,
why don't we just ask them that as well when
we're at the press conference asking about sabotage. Twenty four
past five? Now, listen, do you know what I'm loving?
And I'm sorry because I'm going to slightly repeat myself
for the second time in as many weeks, because I'm
going to talk about how much Super Rugby sucks. But

(46:11):
what I am loving is the fact that the Super
Rugby bosses them now themselves are now pretty much admitting
that Super Rugby sucks. I mean, what I reckon would
have maybe two or three years ago been pretty far out.
Ideas are now being discussed by these bosses. This week,
Kevin mcloy said he'd like to see our best players

(46:32):
in New Zealand be able to go and play for
the Ossie based Super Rugby sides. Now, Kevin mcloy is
not just any old mate without an opinion with an opinion.
Here is the Super Rugby Pacific chairman. So he is
the guy running the show and he reckons It would
be great if we could see the likes of Ardie
Savier go and play for let's say the Waratars, because
it would improve the competition. And it would improve the

(46:52):
competition because the Warritars suck. They're at the bottom of
the table and undoubtedly they would suck a whole lot
less if they had already playing for them. Right now,
come on, tell me that's not going to improve the competition.
If the Aussie Bays teams could just improve a little bit,
because that's part of the problem, they will basically suck.
Without the exception every now and again of someone like
the a team like the Brumbies this year who managed
to actually look but you know, you're like, yeah, the

(47:15):
Brumbies are in there, but don't worry a New Zealand
squad or knock them out by the semis like one
hundred percent, right. So it would be a whole lot
better if we could make those teams improve so that
it actually felt more like a competition. They're not going
to improve by themselves. They're Australian rugby players. We're going
to have to lend them some of our guys. But
that's not the only upside to this. It could also
mean that we don't lose the likes of Richie mccare

(47:36):
Richie Muwanga sorry going to Japan like he has, because
Kevin mcloy reckons that the Force could probably write as
big a check as as Japan did for Richie and
keep him in the Super Rugby comp And if he
stays in the Super Rugby comp what that also means
is it keeps him eligible for the All Blacks. You
don't have to give up on him.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I don't know why this idea is so crazy to
rugby fans, I'm i'm told by the guys out in
the sports sports department. Then, in fact, there are heaps
of rugby competitions around the world who allow players to
transfer between clubs, and there are heaps of many. There
are heaps of mature competitions just in any sporting code
that allow players to move between clubs. Maybe not mid season,
maybe at the start of the season and the start

(48:14):
of the contract. But the A League, of the EPL,
and the NBA and the IPL they all do it.
So should Super Rugby. It's not a new idea. It's
been floating around for ages. How good is it, though,
that we finally have the bosses also thinking it's a
good idea.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Good Heather do for sel?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Cold Play, I don't know. Are you up to your
gills of people trying to do the right thing by
the environment and being slightly hypocritical? I've got one for you.
Coldplay has announced the release of their highly anticipated tenth album,
Moon Music. The record is going to land in stores
and on streaming services in October. Right. The first single,
Feels Like I'm Falling in Love was released today. You've

(48:50):
got some of that ass fly? Okay, So it's just Coldplay,
isn't it cold Play?

Speaker 11 (48:59):
Again?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Now?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Coldplays big and too sustainability in the climate, and their
tour so far has produced fifty nine percent less co
two emissions than their previous stadium tour, they say, and
the new album is going to be extra extra, extra eco.
They are going to make their albums. Get This Okay
the first album released as a one hundred and forty
gram eco record LP, with each copy made from nine

(49:21):
recycled pet plastic bottles recovered from post consumer waste. No
idea what that means. This will prevent the manufacturer of
more than twenty five metric tons of virgin plastic and
provide an eighty five percent reduction in manufacturing process COO
two emissions per kg compared to traditional one hundred and
forty gram vinyl. I don't know about you, but I
have been sitting at home and thinking about my one

(49:42):
hundred and forty grand vinyl and thinking, you evil little
piece of plastic, You dirty, dirty. I just want a clean,
recycled version of my one hundred and forty gram vinyl.
How about you just stop flying around the world if
you want to save the planet, mate.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Headline's next, The day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather
Duperice Alan drive with One New Zealand, Let's get connected
and news talk Zi be.

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Blood stuff forget your truck grit did your part through
my did?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It's fun for We're gonna have to talk about Willie
Jackson because I don't know if you've if you've read
the Herald this morning and the stuff that he said
to media inside it. But anyway, we'll get there evening, Heather.
I was rather surprised when Coldplay announced the current tour,
which includes New Zealand, because if you remember, they made
the great statement back in March twenty nineteen that they
would not continue touring due to environmental concerns. I'm guessing

(50:40):
the bank accounts are draining busted, thank you, Mike Hey.
Weird weird development read the supermarkets. The Commerce Commissions again
has delayed the decision on whether they will allow food
Stuffs to merge its North and South Island operations. Again.
It was supposed to make a decision today but it's
now said it needs extra time. It's going to do
it in October. To have a chat to food Stuffs

(51:01):
North Ireland's chief executive Chris Quinn after six o'clock get
the details on that. Sports huddle is standing by be
with us very shortly. Right now, it's twenty three away from.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Six Heather duper see Alan, We've got the.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Super Rugby Final tomorrow evening and while the Blues have
obviously been the favorites, the Chiefs are a real threat
after they beat the top seeded Hurricanes in Wellington last weekend.
David Hill is the Chiefs assistant coach. David Hello, is
this your year?

Speaker 9 (51:26):
We'll find out tomorrow, but we' we'll quite a good
feeling about it and things have been going well, so
I feel like we're going to give a good correct Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Because tell me, I mean, how are you guys? What's
your mindset going into this year after what happened last year?
Because last year was your year and then at the
last minute it wasn't. So does that make you mentally
stronger or does that create a kind of hoodoo?

Speaker 9 (51:47):
Typically given us some experiences to fall back on, both
good and bad. But we understood last year that you know,
we had a really good squad, really said all and
got into a good groove and ultimately didn't didn't come
away with it in the final. That experience would have

(52:08):
brought us that the best team on the on the
on the day actually is the one that will come through,
not so much the best team all year, So that
was our mindset last week, the same this week. It's
the best team on the day, and whether you have
won ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, or fourteen games in a
round robin doesn't recap so much. So that that experience

(52:30):
is as harsh as it was, as hard as it
was to deal with last year's definitely helped us. So
we're different.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, And so in terms of the crowd support and stuff,
have you got a lot of fans coming up?

Speaker 9 (52:41):
I would assume that expressways cut tripped down a little bit,
but we're expecting a good amount of you know, read
yet on black and no matter where you were born
or where you live, we're expecting it to be you know,
had some good support there.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey do you reckon? I mean, you
guys have got some brilliant players in the squad. Do
you reckon Damien McKenzie should actually be the first choice,
first five for the Abs.

Speaker 9 (53:07):
Well, it's a great question. Probably not one that I
can answer. Is I'm not a selector, but if I was,
it would be probably in the top three options. So
I'd be comfortable somewhere in the team's us for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
What about the other two who's.

Speaker 10 (53:22):
The other two?

Speaker 9 (53:22):
Then no idea?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Yeah you don't what hold on? You just said he'd
be in the top three, but you don't know who
the other two.

Speaker 9 (53:29):
Yeah, yeah, so he'd be one. I don't know who
the other two are someone.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
But.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Totally Hey, are you up for a super rugby shake up?

Speaker 9 (53:41):
I think trying to find a way to find a
product and a competition that works. I definitely think the
the number of teams and the teams that can compete,
it's important to get the balance right. So yeah, I
pick up or just a bit of a week I
think would be good.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Yeah, a little bit of a tweak or something drastic,
like what about the idea that you're able to swap
players and recruit them from different areas, Like maybe even
the Aussies can recruit some of our players?

Speaker 9 (54:11):
Uh yeah, well I'm not sure it'd take too many
of the Aussies. But yeah, I think that would be
a good conversation and good that would be good for
the for the competition. So open to that discussion. But
the obviously you have to build a bit of work
to be done. I can't imagine that happening in the
next couple of years, but yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Never know, you never know, David, good luck for this
weekend either way. Either way, Like, let's be honest about it.
How good to not have the Crusaders there.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
Well, I think I think there's a good portion of
the country that are that are confused now. They're not
sure who to cheer for because normally they cheer for
the team that's playing. But yeah, I think it's good
for the competition. I think it's good. And yeah they
had a rough year, but no doubt they'll be back.
So it's yeah, it's our time, all the Blues time.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Good stuff, David, best of likeck and thank you your
time mate. That's David Hill, Chiefs assistant coach. See didn't
hate the idea of swapping the players, although we don't.
He's quite right. We don't want any of the Aussie players,
do we? Nineteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
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Speaker 18 (55:25):
But Blues a super title of title in two.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Best finals often come down to those moments one try,
I can already all of those little things head up
to big things in finals and on the sports Huddle
of that's this evening, you've got Adam Cooper, host of
the All Sport Breakfast in Wellington, and Jim Kay's sports journalist,
Hello you too, Hello Jim. How good is it to
have a final without the cruise?

Speaker 9 (56:02):
He just stayed with that.

Speaker 10 (56:04):
Yeah, it is good. It's good. As he said, it's
good from a competition perspective. And you know, it's certainly
been good for me looking at Sky because there's a
lot of Crusader supporters at Sky, so I've been able
to wind them up a fair bit about not featuring
in the last couple of weeks of the compin. Yeah, look,
you know we're going to have a fresh winner. I

(56:24):
guess all of this is that the Crusader has been incredible,
haven't they, Because we're celebrating the fact that they're not there,
So it's kind of a backhanded compliment to them that
they've just been so good and so dominant that we're
actually really happy here now totally.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I mean, it's nice, isn't it, Coops, Because it's a
genuine contest tomorrow. Who would know who's going to win?
Either of them could win.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
Oh, very much so. And I mean, if I think
if you're looking at this game maybe two weeks ago.
If we knew that these two teams are in the final,
you'd back the Blues the whole way just because they have.
You know, I been pretty competitive this season aside from
the Hurricanes. They've set the benchmark right through. And the
Chiefs had some pretty bad losses times through the season.
I think five losses and they were including some some
big Kiwi Darby's, so you know, they spilled some games.
But I think the way the Chiefs here, they have

(57:07):
just really put down the throttle in these playoffs. I mean,
you know, a huge quarter final when just being far
too strong for the Hurricanes, just just from the absolute
get go last week and they've really just searched in
these playoffs. And you know, if that momentum continues, they're
going to be real tough for the Blues tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
It's going to be a tough game. I'm looking forward
to it. Jim, tell me who is going to be
the captain of the All Blacks and is Damien McKenzie
the first choice.

Speaker 10 (57:32):
Damie McKenzie will probably been the first first five unless
Scott Robertson has been out of full Rich Mollinger out of.

Speaker 12 (57:40):
His head.

Speaker 10 (57:43):
And who will be the captain? Well, I mean, looked
as far I was at the tab, the short eyes
would be.

Speaker 15 (57:49):
Scott Barrettrucially, i'd.

Speaker 10 (57:51):
Love to see Cody Taylor captain your Blacks. Yeah, he's
a fantastic person. He's the first choice in his position.
He plays superbly well, he doesn't get Red Carter very
often at all. It doesn't really give away dumb penalties
and brings a lot of manner. So I mean, if
I was to pick someone myself, I'd be going for him,

(58:12):
but I suspect it will more than likely be Scott Barrett.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Yeah, what do you reckon coops?

Speaker 7 (58:18):
Yeah, very similar. Obviously Artie Savier has been in the
conversation as well. But for me, I'm like, you know,
Artie is often the most important player on the park obviously,
well rugby player of the Year and everything like that,
and I think for Artie just let him players game,
don't worry about the captaincy, and you know, if he
needs to slot in there and let him do that.
But I just think let him be the force years
on the field without the leadership responsibility. So I'm yeah,

(58:39):
just like Jim, I'm going to be pretty surprised if
we don't see s Barrett named just skipper on Monday.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Coops, so wild rugby making a mistake, giving the TMO
more power potentially.

Speaker 7 (58:47):
Yeah, I think so. I've been and the stands for
most of the Hurricanes games here at Wellington this year
and it is just so frustrating every time they interject,
often the microphones and on the speakers, so for fans
to be engaged. Just the less amount of times the
TMOS can get involved, the better. And there are always
going to be problems. There are always going to be
things that aren't one hundred percent correct, but that's rugby.

(59:08):
Players make mistakes. The refs can make the odd mistake
as well, and the games you're to carry on. But
any more interjection it's going to be more frustrating for
it for the most important people are fans.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I think we all react like that, Jim. But is
it possible that if they actually make their calls in
real time it could speed the game up rather than
going back four or five phases.

Speaker 10 (59:25):
The MO should be treated like naughty children sometimes seen
seldom heard, and they should be there at the invitation
of the referee. Only they shouldn't be able to interject
and yeah, they should have be able to go back
thirty seven phases where something that is of no consequence
that now is brought into greater influence. I just can't

(59:50):
see here how more TMO can speed the game up.
I just don't see it. And like Adam, you know,
we're imperfect people, human beings, sports imperfect that some of
the great things about sport is when things are done imperfectly.
I think if we chase perfection and sport, we're being ridiculous.
And yeah, we want to get things right. Players drop

(01:00:12):
the board, miss tackles, kick the ball out, all those
sorts of things. Let's just worry a little bit less
about the match officials and more about the actual game.
You know, they have so much focus on the referee.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Yeah, okay, well, I think everybody's reacted like that, which
really says that the CMO has fallen out of favor
in a big way. Let's take a break. We've got
to talk about the Warriors, and we'll come back and
do that. Fourteen away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
You're back with the Sports Huddle. I got Adam Cooper
and Jim Kays coops the Warrior is I mean, that's
a slam dunk when this this weekend, isn't it?

Speaker 7 (01:00:46):
Well, well, that the nice hardest team to predict the outcomes,
aren't they Just when you think they're on a roll
sometimes and you know they're going to have an easy
win against the team like the Titans, then they go
and they go and shock fans and then justin you
think they're in a bit of a rut, they go
and they go and produce a remarkable victory. So yeah,
to know, isn't it on the back of the sort
of tough loss to the Storm last weekend? I think
it's really interesting now what she's going to happen with

(01:01:06):
with the halves, with with Sean Johnson and to Marty Martin.
You know, Sean Johnson, someone that has so much mona
within the Warriors, but clearly just isn't the player that
he was even last year when he returned and made
a real influence. So I think some changes just need
to happen there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
And you know the are you saying to Marty Martin
needs to be given the number seven jersey?

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:01:26):
I think so. The best moments of their game last
week was when Tom Marty Martin was on the field
and Johnson had gone off injured. So I just think
at some point that change does need to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Yeah, Jim, I feel like there's still pressure on this guy, right,
and like quite.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
A lot, absolutely, And every coach is judged by their selections.
You know, most coaches will tell you that selection is
the biggest part of coaching. Teaman does Andrew webs you know,
can he step back? Can he look at it objectively?
Can he make a decision along the lines of what
Coops are suggesting and lots of other people have suggested too,
So it seems to be a ground Sowell of opinion

(01:02:01):
that maybe there's time to make a change here. But
it would be a huge chift because obviously Sean Johnson
is the beloved Warriors player. But you know, form wills
out eventually, doesn't it, And and there's a whole cliches
we all get old, will slow down, and maybe it's
time to make that chift.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I feel like it might be Listen, Okay, Coops,
are you worried about the number of cricketers who are
opting out of the central contracts or just obviously prioritizing
the T twenty money leagues overplaying for their country.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
It's to worry for where the game goes for the fans,
I think, Heather, I mean, this is the reality, right,
you can't blame the players for doing this. If they've
got these options in front of you. Of course you're
going to want to take the money, maximize your income
well while you can still play. But we're going to
have I think teared games for the black Caps A. Right,
You're going to have a black Caps B team that
will play the likes of Bongladesh and the lower ranked
nations in those series. And then every now and then

(01:02:50):
when these players feel like it, they'll say, oh yeah,
well we'll come and play these three tests for Australia.
So it's the reality, and this global calendar is going
to be so important with I think a few regulations
around players that represent the national teams, because fans I
think are real risk here of being disengaged with the
sport that's had so much popularity here because of the
national team, and we don't want it to kind of
turn into basketball as an example, where people playing for

(01:03:12):
the national basketball team it isn't their priority. And you
know how many of our top New Zealand players don't
play for the tall Backs because they're so tight and
with their clubs and things. And I just think there's
a real risk of that creeping and crickets international relevance
really dwindling because we don't have franchise leagues in the
Zealand and we probably can't afford to have too many
teams if we do expand the domestic conversation. So it's
going to be really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Fair point. But is and and the solution gym is
obviously to have the very clear windows. This is your
big money window, this is your play for the national
squad window. But is there any sense that this has
actually been considered?

Speaker 10 (01:03:42):
No, wow, there's no sense of it. I mean, cricket
is run by India really by the BCC up the end,
and that's where the money, that's where the power is.
And you know, you get a cricket like Coop said
with basketball, and you know, I think rugby will probably
go this race at in the rugby league has down
this path as well. And football the reality is your

(01:04:03):
best players are going to go with the money. Is
it going to be overseas and you're going to have
to cut your cloth to suit, just as we are
having conversations about picking all blacks overseas. You know New
Zealand cricket at the moment they only picked their captain
from a contracted player. How long will that? Will they
have the luxture of doing that? You know, when will
they have to bite the bullet and say, actually, most
of our best players now play overseas and we're just

(01:04:24):
going to have to pick all of them from there.
It's just the reality of money, isn't it. You know,
you guys have said you can never begrudge them turning
it down, that it's telephone, it's phone numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
And this is exactly right right. You've got to acknowledge
the power of the money and then you've got to
find a solution around it, not to fight it. Guys,
it's wonderful to talk to you. Enjoy your week in
of sport. There's Jim k sports journalists and Adam Cooper,
host of the All Sport Breakfast and Wellington seven o'clock
tomorrow morning, seven away from six, on your smart.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Be five away from six. Hey, do you remember I
was telling you yesterday that those people from justop Oil
had managed to get hold of Taita's jet and sprayed
all the sprayed all the orange paint all over Tata's jet.
Eh No, they didn't. They thought it was Taj's jet.
Oh no, no, no, no, that's that's misrepresenting the situation.
They thought that Tata's jet was at this particular airport
I think was Stanstead, and so they went there. They

(01:05:21):
knew the tail number, but they couldn't find it. So
then they just sprayed a couple of random jets using
fire extinguishers filled with orange paints. So not quite as exciting,
not quite as exciting. Here we go. This is my
favorite rant of the day. It comes from Willie Jackson.
He's complaining about the TV and Z Board. So when
he was the Minister for Media or Broadcasting whatever they
called it, he appointed four of the current members of

(01:05:42):
the TV and Z Board Alistair Carruthers, Ripeka Evans, Linda
Clark and John Quirk. And he says now that he's
really disappointed because the board that he appointed cut shows
like Sunday and he didn't like. He doesn't like the
way that they've been treating the workers who've obviously been
let go from these shows. He says, I'm not happy
with the cuts and I'm a bit disappointed in the
board I appointed that board. The ones that we put

(01:06:05):
up we thought were very much public media people. They
would give a perspective. They either had experience, they had insight,
they had history in terms of New Zealand identity. They
were our board. Looks like they're going to be nationals
board now. They have got a pretty secure future, so
it must be doing. Okay, what is wrong with this man?

(01:06:28):
You don't like?

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
Why does he have.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
To say the stupid stuff out loud? When you are
the Broadcasting Minister whatever they called it. You don't appoint
a board to be like, this is my labor board
and they can do all my labor party stuff. You
just appoint You're supposed to appoint a board that is
going to be the best board to run this particular company.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Oh no, he's basically just admitted he picked a whole
bunch of people he thought wo'd be sympathetic to the
stuff that labor wanted to do, And now he's really
gutted that they're not being naughty under the National government
and just like rejecting everything National ones now they're just
doing what they're doing the policy of the day. Oh
my gosh. He just says it out loud, doesn't he.
He also said they should have shown some respect by

(01:07:08):
at least talking to him about recent developments. Not a word,
not a message. Unbelievable. Chris Quinn.

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Gray's with us out of the UK seven past six.
The Commerce Commission has delayed its decision on whether to
allow Food Stuffs to merge its North and South Island operations. Again.
It was due to make a decision today, but now
it says it's extended its deadline to October. It's set

(01:07:54):
to outline problem areas with the mergers soon and then
food Stuffs and other interested parties will be able to
respond after that. Food Stuff's North Island's chief executive, Chris
Quinn is with me. Now, Hey, Chris, evening, Heather, how
are you well? Thank you? Were you expecting this many delays?

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
Look, when we started the process, we knew there could
be three stages, and this is the third stage, which
is a statement of unresolved issues. We expect to see
in about three and a half weeks or so. So
we knew this could happen, but we do remain one
hundred percent committed to this being absolutely the right thing
to do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
Have they communicated to you what the unresolved issues are?

Speaker 22 (01:08:30):
No, not at this point. We believe we get that
sometime in the middle of July.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Are you starting to lose hope? I mean, this is
obviously a really gnarly one for them.

Speaker 22 (01:08:39):
Look, we get that this has got a huge exposure.
There's been a lot of conversation about this, and we
understand that with cost of living and all of the
things that affect New Zealand households, what we are really
pleased with is last three months food price inflations being
well below a percent. We think we've tackled the issues
that came because of weather and became because of the

(01:09:00):
the global supply chain and the various cost issues from
our suppliers. So we're determined because the next thing we
can do for our customers to improve value and to
improve innovation and comparediveness for a New Zealand owned cooperative
is to make this merger happen and make us more
efficient and reduce our costs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Do you think the suppliers have the ear of the
Communis Commission because your supplies are very worried about the
sun day.

Speaker 22 (01:09:26):
Look, I talk to a lot of suppliers and I
don't find many that are very worried about this. I
see that there are anonymous reports in the media and
various stories. I talked to a lot of suppliers. We
literally every couple of weeks here from hundreds of them,
and we're not hearing some of the same issues. We
know that this merger makes it easier for supplies to

(01:09:47):
engage with us, to get to all of the customers nationally.
We will still be able to do a supplier working
with one local store owned by a local family that
will not go away at any point, and we think
that there's real opportunity for lies on this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
So what the supplier has suggested that they are really
worried about, and this is the particular one that is
anonymous talking to the media today, is that they are
worried that they will just be cut out of being
able to supply if there is just one big decider
right at the moment. Obviously they can go to your competitor,
or they could go to yourself, or they can go
to food Stuff South Island. But if it's just if
you guys amalgamate, it's just two options for them and

(01:10:22):
that's a big gamble. Is that potentially a problem where
if they fall out of favor.

Speaker 22 (01:10:26):
They're out Well, I think first thing is be think
logically about it. To get to North Island customers, there
are two large retailer grocery options, and to get the
South Old customers there are two, and we still will
be after this merger. It makes no change to that.
The other thing that's quite unique about Foodstuffs is with
every one of our stores having one individual local gross

(01:10:46):
ranting family, the supply can work with them to get
locally ranged. There are some amazing products on shelf in
our stores that are very local and very loved in
that community. And we have an emerge program where we've
worked with over two and fifty supplies in the North Island,
about fifty of them, you know, bring new startup supplies,
people have great ideas. About fifty of them are now

(01:11:07):
on shelf in a small number of Sores or a
large number, depending on who they are. That sort of
thing we've been so proud of for the last hundred
years to do, and we're going to keep doing after
this merger.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Hey, Chris, while I've got you on the land covenants case,
am I right in reading this the way that it
looks like it's played out, which is that the ComCom
takes takes it to court files against you guys, and
then you settle after.

Speaker 22 (01:11:28):
That, I think essentially we have started the process of
a settlement on that issue relating back to twenty thirteen fourteen,
and the court will review that settlement and decided they're
satisfied with it, and for how much I can't say
at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Will that be made public once the court says yes
or no. I believe it well, okay, cool, Hey, thank
you Chris Enjoy. We can really appreciate your time. That's
Chris Quinn, chief executive of food Stuff's North Island. Listen.
I don't know if this, I think is only just
emerging from the BBC, but it looks like North Korea
is building sex of what appears to be a wall
in several places along the border with South Korea. There's

(01:12:04):
got these new satellite images they've popped up on the
BBC's website. It looks like they've gone and cleared some
land inside the demilitarized zone, which they're probably not supposed
to do, and then they're building the little wall that
they I mean, it's a long border, so I don't
know if they're going to do the whole thing, but anyway,
it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
what they're doing is they're trying to they're trying to

(01:12:25):
build the fortifications and strengthen the military presence. Right, That's
what's up. So Peter Lewis, it's been keeping an eye
on Vlad, catching up with Kem and he'll be with
us and talk us through all of these developments. When
he's with us, just after half past sex. Also, I
almost forgot to mention this and the shame on me
for this, but Eden Park needs a little bit of
congratulating because it's scooped two awards at the prestigious Stadium

(01:12:45):
Business Awards in Manchester this week got the Event of
the Year award. That's a joint winner with Sydney's a
Course Stadium because the pair of them hosted obviously the
FIFA Women's World Cup twenty twenty three and that went
down really well and so they've won the Event of
the Year for that, but also won the Venue of
the Year award, beat out in that category the likes
of sun Corpse Stadium, AO Arena, Croke Park and Wembley Stadium.

(01:13:08):
So not half bad thirteen past.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
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Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent, raps the political week that
was for us, of course this time every week. Welcome back, Barry,
Hello again, Heather. It sounds to me like we're going
to get a new plane, or a couple of new
planes for the Defense Force.

Speaker 12 (01:14:30):
Yeah, I think it's inevitable. I mean, you know, to
see what happened to us in Japan was embarrassing, and
I've seen it so many times before, having flown with
the uranzaf on a number of occasions. And it's not
their fault. These are old planes. The Vice President of
the United States flies at seven five seven, So they're

(01:14:53):
very good planes. But it's like anything, if you don't
use them, they're going to break down. And they're not
They're used for haulage and you know, if we help
out New Caledonian places like that, they're used for that.
But they're not used enough if you listen to defense.
So should we then go and buy a new plane? Well,

(01:15:17):
I think we've got to lock the part. If we
want to be a first world country. We're at the
bottom of the world. We're an eat support economy, and
there's nothing looks better and it is looks looks better
than an irenzav plane going onto the tarmac and the
red carpet being rolled out.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
And I mean the looks the looks argument will only
get you so far, right. Actually, the more compelling argument
for me is that you cannot put the defense force
on a plane that they're not sure is going to work,
and then ask them to go to Antarctica or a
war zone or something like that, or an area where
there is a like a civil emergency happening. Right, they
can't be in an unsafe vehicle unable to get out here.

(01:15:58):
But second of all, these plays are now costing us
what is it, thirty five million dollars a year. Actually,
at some point it becomes better finances to just buy
a new.

Speaker 12 (01:16:07):
One and see, we concentrate on these planes and the
ability that they have to break down. They only used
as VIP aircraft about fifteen percent of the time, so
you know, it's a small part of it, but nevertheless,
you know, it's waving the flag and showing that we
are a country of some importance. We're tiny, but you

(01:16:30):
know we are a first world country. The other thing though,
that came out of the trip. That was the one
thing and the c Listers. You know, I think Chris Luxen,
now that he's back in the country, will reflect on that.
He made it as an aside if you like, for
trips that he's been on in the past. Over the

(01:16:52):
past six years, he hasn't been on a lot, but
he's been on a few and I've got to say
the comment that he made was absolutely right. I've sat
down in the bucket section of the aircraft and locked
askance at some of the people that are on the
plane and have thought to myself, what on earth are
they doing here? I mean, what business can they write

(01:17:15):
other than getting in the Prime Minister's air And I
think that's the attraction in the past of many of
these businesses, small businesses that go on these aircraft. But now,
and you've got to look at the makeup of the
current trip that they did. The businesses were well represented

(01:17:35):
by very senior organizations, not that they haven't been in
the past, but predominantly on this one, they were very
senior business brokers in this country if you like, and
they've done they did good business in Japan. So you know,
if we want to Japan, our fourth biggest export market,

(01:17:55):
to improve, we've got to really put on a bit
of a show.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Do you think Jinda's taking these jobs overseas so she
doesn't have to come home?

Speaker 12 (01:18:02):
Hah ha, Well, who knows? With us and our ongoing anger, Yeah, well,
you know this is all about, you know, global leadership
and kindness and empathy. She said that it's run by
an organization called Global Progress and it will create a
network of like minded political leaders who use wait for it, pragmatism,

(01:18:27):
idealism and speak to people with a hope and optimism. Well,
I'm sorry. She may have had a lot of words
when she was Prime Minister, and she always talked about
well being and kindness, but there are so many instances
during the COVID lockdowns where she was anything but and

(01:18:47):
she led the charge, and you know, I could name
so many instances where people felt as though, in fact
they're birthright. If you look at the people that were
held out of the cone who had New Zealand passports
and had to win a lottery to get home, it's
unheard of in New Zealand. And that's hardly kind law,

(01:19:08):
no fair enough, Nor is it what well, it's hardly kind,
nor is it looking after people's well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Being too fair? Hey, very quickly scrutiny. Week's been a success,
isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:19:18):
It has been.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You know, it's got a lot out of it.

Speaker 12 (01:19:20):
It's given the opportunity I guess of opposition parties. So
one thing that it's done is they can no longer
complain that the government is not being held to account.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
The number of.

Speaker 12 (01:19:32):
Select Committee of the committees have been meeting throughout and
all the senior ministers, including the Finance Minister, has appeared
before them for several hours, and so they cannot complain
now that the government has not been and hasn't been
held to account.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Barry, thank you very much, really appreciated. Barry Soper, Senior
political correspondent, rapping the political week that was six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Talk said b Peter Lewis is gonna be at us,
as I said after the news talk us through words
going on with North Korea. Now, get a load of this.
I didn't realize this, but we just got our first
film written by Ai. It's called The Last Screenwriter and
it was completely written by chat GPT in just four
days time. So how it came about is that the
guy who's the director, he's a chap called Peter Luisi.

(01:20:25):
Think he's Swiss. He himself has accomplished right, He's already
six times been nominated at the Swiss film Awards. I
think three of them is you know, for screenwriting itself.
So he didn't use chat GPT as like a shortcut.
He did it to make a point, which is that
AI can do his job. Question is, of course, how

(01:20:46):
well can AI do his job? So one day last December,
he sat down in front of chat GPT and he
gave it this prompt, right write a plot for a
film where a screenwriter realizes he is less good than
artificial intelligence. Over the next four days. He then had
to ask the pro because the first one lot was

(01:21:06):
a bit basic, and so he spent the next four
days just asking AI to just develop it a little
bit more. So, he asked AI to create some characters,
then to flesh out the story, and then finally to
script the individual scenes. There were some problems because AI
has got problems, like some of the problems were like
characters randomly just switching sex, like one starts out as
a dude nick minute as a girl. So he had

(01:21:27):
asked the program to go back in and do the
work again. In some places he had to cut some
scenes for length. He had to. I think that was
about the extent of it. Otherwise he forced himself to
work with whatever it was that AI had given him.
In four days, he had a sixty one page screenplay
on his desk. Now the question, of course this wasn't
any good? Well, the story is about an award winning
screenwriter called Jack who experiences great financial success and a

(01:21:50):
creative crisis when he collaborates with an experimental new AI program.
And to answer the question, is it any good? No,
it's not any good by the sounds of things. The
Telegraph has watched it and said, every sentence in the
film is the most obvious version of itself. So you
know how like in a film, somebody might eat an
apple and be like, hmm, so taste, so sweet and crunchy. Obviously,

(01:22:14):
the most obvious thing is this apple is delicious, Like
it was basic as and just like to the point,
the odd screenwriting maxim, the old screenwriting maxim, show Don't
Tell is assiduously ignored. But sometimes the Telegraph said, there
were moments where it was almost too good, Like there
was a passing literary reference or a piece of foreshadowing
that hints at a deeper structure beneath the straightforward row

(01:22:34):
of events. So there's promise there. I mean, this is
the first iteration of AI. Really that we've got right,
so it can get better. Perhaps most intriguingly, says The Telegraph,
the AI has written itself a neat argument against the
plagiarism claims. In an early scene, Jack tells his new
digital writing partner that it is essentially just a remix artist, like,
not a plagiarist, just a remix artist. The twist in

(01:22:57):
this is that it sounds like it's going to be
a struggle to go and watch us, because it was
due to premier at London's Prince Charles Cinema on Sunday,
but then it was canceled because they'd put that out
on social media on the Monday and they just got
absolutely slammed by Twitter accusing them of supporting blagiarism and
stuff like that, so they canceled the premiere. So I
don't know if you ever going to see it. Headlines
next and then Peter lewis, if it's to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Right, Gavin Gray is going to be with us out
of the UK shortly. There is another little racism drama
in football in Europe. What a surprise. He'll talk us through.
It's probably not what you're expecting, but it's still interesting.
None of the leads. Now, I've been getting texts like
this throughout the show. Hither what's happening with the Principles?
I noticed you still haven't had anybody from the Green
Party or the Marty Party on your show in the
last couple of weeks. I am not responsible for the

(01:24:10):
Green Party and the Marty Party. We ask them all
the time, don't we. We really do, and I don't
know why, but they just they're like, nah, nah, that's
even they even like I don't even know if the
Marty Party even answers our phone calls anymore. So we're trying.
It's not it's not our problem. But anyway, on the Principles,
I can help you out a little bit with that.
The story of the week on the show has got

(01:24:30):
to be the eighty Principles who spent part of their
week not at school during school term, but at the
Hilton and Fiji. Now, as you know, for five six
hundred dollars flight not included. Now, as you know, we've
been trying for days to speak with Marshall. Who's the
guy who's running the conference over there. Marshall didn't really
want to speak to us, Remember, he wanted to speak
with Simon Barnett. But then when we are Simon Bonne,

(01:24:51):
can you speak to Marshall? Simon didn't want to speak
to Marshall. So it got very awkward for everybody. But
then this morning we heard from Marshall again. He sent
us a text. He texted Producer Law He said, Hi, Laura,
here is our public communication for Simon. No need for
further communication. Of course Laura did not take the hint
and to send him more texts anyway, but I don't

(01:25:12):
think she's gonna be hearing from him. So anyway, we
clicked on the link. I don't know where this public
communication for Simon is. There's nothing in there for Simon.
It was just a whole bunch of it would be
it would appear that what Marshall did was he catfished us.
He catfished us to going onto his website and then
telling you you can log on for next year. He's
taking registrations already, and it's the prices the same five thousand,

(01:25:34):
seven hundred dollars. That's about five thousand dollars plus GST.
And it's going to be in June twenty fourth of
June next year. So if I don't know if your
school principle listening to this and you're thinking, how did
I miss out on that, well you don't have to.
You can go next year. You'll welcome Marshall twenty two
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
He the due Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
Peter lewis our Asia business correspondence with US. Now, Peter, Hello,
good Peter. I'll tell you what I found fascinating about
the Vladimir post an ENCAM meeting is just how they're
flaunting it. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 13 (01:26:05):
Well, it's partly because there's very few places left that
Vladimir Putin can go to to flaunt anything. He's seat
of become a bit of an international pariah since the
Ukraine War, and he wants to try and break that
isolation and try and posey up to some other countries.
But he's got two problems. One is that he can't

(01:26:26):
really travel very far from Russia's borders now that he's
got to share Russia has got a shared border with
North Korea, so that's fine. He can sail and fly
through that he doesn't have a border with Yetnam, but
China's in the middle, so has got friendly relations with China.
And the other problem is he has to make sure
he goes to places to countries that are signatories for

(01:26:49):
the International Criminal Court because they've got the new rest
warrant out for him. So it doesn't really leave him
with many options other than North Korea. So this is why.
And then KIMJ. Roinson in the same boat. He needs
some more international friends as well. So they're really sort
of playing this up in terms of this agreement. They

(01:27:10):
signed this mutual help agreement in that they would help
each other out in the cases of any aggression or
incidents or wars against them. They didn't elaborate on what
they view as an incident, and they didn't elaborate either
on what the response will be if that gets broken.
But it might have some unintended consequences. I mean, one

(01:27:31):
of them is seeing already is that South Korea, which
so far has refused to provide any sort of weapons
to Ukraine, is now reconsidering that in the light of
this new agreement here. So it's a very odd situation.
I think the one that's more interesting is the Vietnam.
Now he's got the opportunity to go to Vietnam. I

(01:27:53):
think the Vietnam are doing him a big favor here,
and that they're exercising what they like to call bamboo cloonacy.
In other words, they're foreign policies. Like bamboo, it sways
and bends in the wind, but it never breaks. And
Vietnam wants to be friends with everyone and have enemies
with no one. And it's becoming an increasingly important international

(01:28:17):
partner because in the last few months, Joe Biden has visited,
Pete has visited, and now Vladimir Pootin is there as well.
So Vietnam is playing this game very well and exercise
with its bamboo diplomacy very nicely at the moments.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Really interesting. The BBC today is running these photographs of
these satellite shots of North Korea appearing to build fortifications
or like a wall along its border with South Korea. Now, Peter, obviously,
I mean they're obviously trying to strengthen their their their
themselves militarily and strategically. I for the longest time have

(01:28:53):
just written them off as a bit of a joke.
But am I making a mistake. There are they actually
a threat?

Speaker 13 (01:28:59):
In some ways? They are, you know, I mean, the
one thing that they're good at making, they don't make
very much at all, and they don't make much very well,
but they do make a lot of ammunition and that's
been shipped to rush up through their shared borders. So
there's really nothing anyone can do to stop this. Had
it been going through a third party, they would have

(01:29:19):
been slapped with sanctions straight away. Well that's the worry.
I mean, there have been reports that, you know, some
of the weapons, some of the bombs have been found
in various parts of Ukraine have North Korean markings on
them and therefore were clearly made in North Korea and

(01:29:41):
do do damage. But what they don't have, it's the
sort of advanced technology that they would really like to
launch sophisticated rockets to launch satellites into space. They really
don't have that, and what kind j wrong would like
to see if you can get some of that technology
from Russia. But at the moments, I mean, they're certainly irritant.

(01:30:05):
They can certainly do damage, but they must know for
sure that if they launched any sort of serious attack
on South Korea, the response for them could be fairly
devastating in terms of what South Korea could do back
and its allies with it. So there's a lot of
bluster involved in this, but we shouldn't just write it off.

(01:30:26):
There is always a risk that they could do some
serious damage.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Yeah, Peter, Hey, thank you. I always appreciate talking to you.
We'll talk to again next week. That's Peter Lewis our
Asia Business correspondent, Heather. I'm very torn on who decided
with tomorrow and Auckland and Auckland are now Northlander, so
I should be barracking for Auckland, but I love Damien McKenzie. Well,
this is the problem that a lot of us have
got because I'm the same as you. I reckon Damien
McKenzie would be probably Yeah, I reckon. He might actually

(01:30:52):
be my favorite favorite player. And so either way, whoever
wins doesn't really bother me that much. And I'll be
absolutely stoked if he's the first pick for the All
Blacks next Monday. Now, I was just telling Laura producer
Laura that I'm watching Bridgeton at the moment right because
you'll be yeah, don't even tell me about it. I
know you've watched the six minute sixteen between Colin and Penelope,

(01:31:13):
and you've got yourself all excited about it. And did
you know they broke the couch as well, that they
filmed that on in real life? Anyway, I'm not on
that season. I'm on season two, and I hate not
knowing what's going to happen. So I asked her if
the eldest or the youngest charm is going to end
up with Colin bridget with Anthony Bridgeton. She's already told me.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Now I feel at peace because I was getting stressed
out watching it. Now I can just watch it, and
because I now know what happens at the end, and
it makes it a much more pleasant experience because it
was very honestly, I don't even be that anxious just
before bet. I mean, these people's lives were talking about
what if they marry the wrong one? How will they
live with themselves? Imagine that? Anyway. Then she said to me,

(01:31:52):
she's such a loser. She said to me, you know,
you can get your own Bridgeton name. I've emailed it
to myself. Hold on, let me find it what a
loser like. Not only did she like see it, but
then she emailed it to herself for talking for having
a look back at later. Anyway, here you go. First
I had yeah, yeah, First your lord or lady, okay,

(01:32:12):
and I don't need to explain to you. If you're
a bloke, you're the lord, and if you're a chickie,
you're the lady. Then you put your middle name. Okay,
So I'm Lady Elizabeth. Then you have to take the
last thing that you drank, and you have to put
ton at the end. Now, I did not want to
be Lady Elizabeth's smoothie ton, so I very quickly drank
a bit of water. I am Lady Elizabeth Waterton. That's

(01:32:34):
not a bad name, hey, Waterton. Anyway. Then after that
you add of, like Lady Elizabeth Waterton of, and then
you put your street name, and then you put Shier
at the end. So if I was to live, I
work on Graham Street. I'm not going to tell you
where I live if I was, because I'm just.

Speaker 19 (01:32:52):
Going to say this is sounding more and more like
an Internet scam. More we go through it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
And produce the Laura is going to come find me
at my house. She'll track me down anyway, I work on.

Speaker 19 (01:33:00):
I'm here to see Lady Smootheaton.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
I'm look on Graham Street. So I'm Lady Elizabeth Waterton
of Grahamshire. There you go. You're welcome anyway, go and
watch Bridgeton if you haven't caught upyet. It is actually
quite good quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
To crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
It's Heather Dupe Helen with the Business hours thanks to
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Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Kevin Gray is our UK correspondent with US now even
in Gvin, Hi, he how bad does this?

Speaker 23 (01:33:30):
Heck yeah, it's it's got really quite nasty now. So
this was potentially one of the worst ever cyber attacks
in the UK, with more than one thousand hospital and
GP appointments affected. That's general practitioner local doctor appointments affected.
Operations also canceled by the disruption to pathology services. The

(01:33:50):
hack was to a company called Synovis now. They are
a provider to the National Health Service, particularly over basically
blood testing and overnight the ransomware company has really come
out and dumped four hundred gigabytes of private information on

(01:34:11):
their darknet site and telegram channel. The data includes patient names,
dates of birth, national health service numbers and then descriptions
of blood tests. We don't yet know if test results
are also in the data. There are also financial spreadsheets
detailing the contracts between hospitals, the local doctors and this
company too, so it is a massive fallout from this.

(01:34:34):
What would suggest that's happened is that the National Health Service,
indeed Synovis, have refused to come up with any money
and to pay ransom for this hack to go away,
and that's why we've seen this data now being published.
Apparently healthcare is now the industry for these hackers to
try and get into. It's thought to be this group

(01:34:54):
called Keeling QILM, and they've apparently made now the sort
of health services a big target after one health group
reportedly paid out roughly thirty eight million New Zealand dollars
earlier this year for.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
A similar hack givin this bitting scandal that's going on
with the election date? Is this going to weigh on
Rishi's popularity, what little there is left.

Speaker 23 (01:35:17):
Of it, well and his credibility. I mean, I think
this is really really damaging to him. So he was
on TV last night in a televised debate one to
one with the other leaders of the other three other
main parties, and in that he was asked first question,
straight off the bat about these claims that a candidate

(01:35:40):
had laid a bet on the date of the election
and that her husband, who was campaign director of Rishi
Sunac's team, is also in the frame for allegedly placing
a bet. Rishi Sunak said he's incredibly angry with the quote,
and then said, but he couldn't say much because all
this is being investigated, and indeed it is. But you know,

(01:36:03):
the abuse of the gambling has very tough laws here
and could be a criminal offense if it's proven. Now
all those involved are denying responsibility. But not only now.
Is it three Conservatives who were either candidates or quite
high up in the machinations of the Conservative Party that
our alleged to put a bet on the date of
the election, but also one of the senior protection officers

(01:36:26):
of the Prime minister. And you do begin to think, well,
hang on a minute. You know, surely everyone was told
this is illegal and you can't do it. The date
was a surprise. The date of July the fourth for
the general election was a surprise to most people. So
the odds of a July the fourth would have been
high at the bookmakers. And well it's had this effect.
And as I said, I really think it's a grip

(01:36:48):
thing against the Prime Minister and its credibility.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
Kevin.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I mean the fact that so many of them, I mean,
if one of them had gone a bit, you would think, okay,
that's really not cool. But the fact that so many
have done that, does that suggest that they've actually been
discussing it amongst themselves.

Speaker 23 (01:37:03):
Or that are very wide full of people were discussing it. Yeah,
and they're simply beyond the fringes of it. And I mean,
you just think it really digs in the credibility of politicians,
the integrity, the honesty of politicians. And I don't just
mean Richie, I do mean all round. And indeed that's
been a theme for many of the campaigns with less

(01:37:25):
than two weeks to go now before the general election,
about trying to get integrity back into politics is what
the opposition parties are saying. But of course you know
it's it's those other people. I mean, how could Richie
Sinac have much sway over what a role protection or
rather what a protection squad officer from the police would
say if it's alleged that that is true as well,
So gosh, they're really I think it's down to trust

(01:37:48):
and that's a very very important word in an election to.

Speaker 3 (01:37:51):
Write it does Gevin, thank you very much. Talk to
you on Monday. Devin Gray are UK correspondent anyway from seven,
whether it's.

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Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Literally literally as the ad was ending, Laura was like
did you know? And giving me all these Bridgeton facts
and was so deep in Bridgitton facts I don't even
know what the set. The first one was pretty sillatious,
second one I didn't get, but she was taught. She like,
how long have you been doing this job? Laura?

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Like you you?

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
You were doing it with Larry, weren't you? And still
six years? Six years and that's the potent. She went
to tv Z as well.

Speaker 19 (01:38:33):
So that's just the six year since she came back.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
So cumulatively heaps longer, but so excited by Bridgeton that
forgot that the ad was ending. That is how excited
Laura is.

Speaker 19 (01:38:42):
Laura I mean, some things are important here, like our
radio show, but talking about Bridgington with your colleagues, that's
clearly more important obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Yeah yeah, I mean jeez that So anyway, what I'm
trying to tell you is are you watching it? Because
you should be just really quickly. Okay, you know, I
give cycle ways a whole bunch of crap because they
deserve it, and like, look at the stuff that that
look at look at what it does to people, look
at what it does to businesses. But I'm going to
give some credit to Tasman District Council because they put
in in Richmond a terrible cycle way, but they've realized

(01:39:12):
it's terrible and they're going to fix the situation. Now
they're not actually getting rid of the cycle way altogether,
but what they've done is they put the cycle away
and then between the cycleway and the road. Normally you'd
have something like head sticks, do you know what I mean,
like those head sticks to kind of create a barrier
or something, or just a painted line. But what they
did was they had a painted line and then they
also had these like little clumps, like these little concrete

(01:39:33):
clumps that were maybe I want to say like three
inches or four inches high, and you could hardly see them.
And so what was happening was cars were heading them
and knocking them off and eventually like crumbling them, eventually
just wearing them off the road, and then they were
ending up in the cycle way, and then the cyclists
were heading them and falling into the road, which is
like making things worse. They've now realized that. That is,

(01:39:53):
they realized they've made the situation worse for cyclists, and
they're going to remove it. They're going to do something
else good on them, because there's no it's bad that
you made a mistake, but the worst thing would be
to stick with the mistake. It's good to realize it
and fix it.

Speaker 19 (01:40:05):
And I've got a new Lord. Lord has unexpectedly popped
up in a remix of a Charlie XCX song that
was just released. It's called the Girl So confusing version
with Lord. There's a whole backstory as to why Charlie
XCX is randomly asked Lord to be on a remix
of one of her songs. But go look that up
on the internet. Let's listen to new Lord.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
Is it salacious?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I've called the rude Butts out Carol's meaning the story.

Speaker 19 (01:40:27):
Yeah yeah, no no yeah, Well if your Lord does
talk about having an eating disorder in the song, so
that could be a backstory.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
Here you go, see you on Monday.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Enjoy the Rugby.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
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