Full Show Podcast: 25 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
due for c Ellen. Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
You stalk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Julian
Nissan is finally free. We're going to speak to the
Australian Green Senator David chubridch who's been campaigning for this
three strikes legislation two point zero has just been introduced
to the House. M not loving it. I'll explain why
and then we'll have a chat to Nicole McKee, the
relevant minister and ns it are the rugby guys. They've

(00:33):
just opened their books. We're going to see how the
finances are going and talk to the CEO, Mark Robinson.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Heather Dup for c Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
You're very good. Fall on the COVID inquiry this afternoon
has just been announced. The thing is being expanded, so
the current inquiry that Labor started will continue, but that
will now become the first part of the inquiry and
a second part will now be added, and that's going
to look at all the juicy stuff that you and
I care about, which obviously Labor really did not want
to have examined, for example, the extended lockdowns in Auckland

(01:02):
and the lockdowns in Northland, and the closing of schools
and the shutting of businesses, and the vaccine efficacy, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera, all the stuff that we actually debated.
That's what we're now looking into. Now. It shouldn't be
a surprise. I think that this inquiry is going to happen.
It was inevitable, it always had to be done. It's
in the coalition agreements and so on, and frankly, it
was as plain as the nose in your face that

(01:23):
the previous Labor government had majorly restricted the first part
of the inquiry to basically just look at health and
economic effect because they might come out of that one
looking okay. But when you start including everything else that
they did, well, I have a very strong suspicion they're
about to get called out big time, forcing people out
of jobs just because they wouldn't take the jab way

(01:44):
after ninety percent of us were already vaccinated, COVID had
already spread and done its damage, preventing people from saying
goodbye to loved ones, confiscating private businesses, rat kits how
honest they were with people about the risks of the vaccine,
that they were pushing Auckland in a lockdown when they
already knew the lockdown wasn't working and there was no

(02:04):
point in keeping the lockdown going. But you know what,
they kept the lockdown going, stopping kids who are the
least affected by COVID from going to school, pilfering the
COVID fund to fund things like cameras on boats and
art therapy, can you believe it, and spending spending and
spending and spending, which has put us in the situation
with inflation that we are now dealing with, which has

(02:25):
us in a recession.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I am prepared to take a bet that looking into
all of that stuff is not going to go particularly
well for key figures in the previous labor administration, which
I think is why they tried so very hard to
avoid looking into it, and why I think it's brilliant
that we are looking into it, because I'm of the
belief that if you want to be the big guy
making the big decisions that are going to make you
famous globally, then you need to prepare, be prepared to

(02:48):
be scrutinized by the people who were affected by those decisions,
and those decisions affected every single one of us who
were here at the time or trying to get back
into the country, and it affected us deeply. I am
personally very much looking forward to an inquiry for once
and for all into whether those often lauded and highly
praised decisions really were the right call.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Heather, due to CLA.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Ten past four nine two nine two is the text
number standard text fees applying the Brook van Baldens. Obviously
the Minister who's called this inquiry. We'll have a little
chat to her just get exact, exact idea of the
scope when she's with us after five o'clock.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
The New Zealand India relationship is being tested by a
familiar issue, which is the huge number of student visa rejections.
Stats from Immigration show that between October last year and
this May that's just gone, Indian student visa applications only
got approved forty seven percent of the time. That compares
to an approval rate of eighty nine percent for Chinese students.
The Immigration Minister says it's not blanked geographic discrimination, but

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rather than just more high risk applications from Indian applicants.
S Nil Koschel is the president of the White Tarkti
Indian Association and with us. Now, hey, Sir Neil Hiver,
do you buy the argument it's just that there are
more high risk candidates coming out of India.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
No, I don't buy that argument at all. India is
a diverse land and we know that there are very
talented and skilled people out there who want to further
their education and coming to New Zealand is a great
opportunity for us economically also and from a tourism point
of view. I do agree that we need to be

(04:26):
cautious as in who we let in with the qualification
that they are seeking for rather than the law level
pre forward. And we don't want dodgy students coming in,
but real interested students. And I don't buy any argument
that it's a high risk country. I mean there are
other countries also where we are getting students from.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
If you do not believe the argument, then what do
you think is really going on here?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I think they're just being very cautious as to who
they're let in and from what parts of India.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Are they being so cautious with India and for example,
not with China.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
I think it's there are other things to play there.
It could be geopolitical, it could be what sort of
they've probably seen. I mean our can'ts speak for immigration,
but their argument that because of the lack of funds
or the funds not being verified. I actually, in my
previous role introduced the funds Cornswer scheme which was implemented

(05:28):
in India, in China, in Philippines and other countries in
partnership with immigration, and we were there to verify that
there is the amount needed to come to New Zealand.
Now we cannot tell people where you should get money
from their argument that or it's from another institution, etc.

(05:48):
In New Zealand, we pay, we pay a student loan,
parents help their families or their kids go into college.
People go overseas, they can work there, so why can't
and we have the same barometer for every place, for
every student coming from different nations. I mean, why have
different standards there? That's just not acceptable and who is

(06:10):
losing out not only the students but also in New
Zealand economy, New Zealand institutions. We are losing our Australia's
Australia has been very careful because they don't have enough
rental places there. So you know it's our head time.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
But what are you hearing in terms of how much
of a strain this is putting on the relationship between
India and New Zealand, which is so important to us
at the moment because we want an FTA.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
I completely agree with you heither on there, because India,
when the Indian Foreign Master was here, he raised it up.
India wants mobility, not just with New Zealand but throughout
the world. They say that, you know, usually allow our
people to travel to work for tourism, etc. And if
New Zealand keeps doing this, it will definitely put us

(06:56):
train because that's one of their requirements from their side.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Sneil, thank you. I appreciated that Sunil Koschel, who's the
president of the White Targeting Indian Association Business Desk, is
reporting that the Indian Foreign Minister is actually so worried
about this he's raised the student issue visa several times
during his visit a couple of years ago. Now, Princess Anne,
as you know, Princess Anne has been kicked in the
head by a horse, which I mean that's a pretty

(07:21):
serious thing. To have happened, and she's gone into hospital
and she's not just staying one night, she's staying two nights.
Now it's being reported. I think it was the Chellograph
who reported this headline. Princess Anne is a true stoic.
It must be serious for her to countenance a fuss.
And the point they make is that it was announced
really quickly and she is staying in hospital a couple
of days and she does not like a fuss. I mean,

(07:42):
she basically wants objected to be kidnapped and told them
to take a hike. She's that kind of a bird.
So for her to for this to be public in
the way that it means it is quite serious. So
we'll check in with Enda Brady, our UK correspondent, who's
going to be able to run about quarter to seven
and see how she's going. It's quarterpass for diguilty.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Keep into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
It's hither Duper c Allen Drive with one New zealand
one give leap.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
For business US talk, it'd be Darcy water Grave Sports
talk hoosters with me right now, Darcy.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
I don't is anything better than watching Australia get beaten
by Afghanistan for the weekend of Tea twenty Well Cup,
even though I wasn't really supposed to be watching it
because I'm still sulking about the performance although seeing that
Afghanistan minutes to slap us out of the way and
then they slapped the Australians out of the way. Now
we're waiting on this and it looks.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Like this is Afghanistan Bangladesh.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
Yes, it is waiting on results here.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So how does it impact things?

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Well, which way it goes depends on who wins and
how much of a hurry they win. In that we
could find Australia going through, or Afghanistan going through, or
Bangladesh going through. So Banglanesh need to beat Afghanistan. But
they've got to do it in quite a good margin,
and I think they're going to get that done now.
They've only got a handful of balls to get that done, okay,

(09:00):
But so Bangladesh has got a higher net run. I'm
not even gonna going to run rates no Afghanistan when
they go through six delivery.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Just being vindictive now, aren't you why? Because this is
about taking Ozzie out.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Well, when you think about only just recently the Australians
thinking about maybe not having the Afghanistan tour and complaining
about the Taliban's treatment of women. And we're not going
to do it. But we're not going to walk away
from the World Cup because it's too important of it.
You know, We'll just we'll stand dark man, We'll have
this moral high ground when it doesn't really matter to us,
and then they get rolled by if it's done. I'm sorry.

(09:35):
There's just funny, isn't that instant karma orleence delayed karma
more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
It's good news that Shaw Johnson's out for four weeks,
Isn't it not very.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Good news for him? But I suppose it saves the
pain of Andrew Webster. Now that team comes out in
about an hour and forty minutes and whatever assistant coach
Richard Agar on the show tonight to talk through. Do
they climb into these guys and start lapping them the players,
the players, and go that's it, we can't do this anymore.

(10:04):
You are sitting down sixty six.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Sixty Yeah, Well, I just wonder do you think that
he's been because this is this is the Archilles injury
that's fled up again. Right, So the fact that the
same thing keeps coming back says to me, he is
playing with a bit of a niggle, isn't he.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Well they claim that it was actually aokay and good
to go, but then it reinflamed itself again, So they're
going to give him a lot longer. They're saying four weeks.
It might be six weeks. But what happened last time?
The rock stars weren't there. The juniors came through, did
the job, and did the job on a couple of times.
Right now, I'll tell you what Darcy guys out there,
one example, right.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, if the juniors do the job again, it kind
of settles the argument, doesn't it.

Speaker 6 (10:42):
Webster must be pulling his hair out. It's some really
good players on the park. Of course, everyone's climbing into
Sean Johnson. They're climbing into Aden Fanola Blake, including O
the raging Ball. Gordon Tallis, He's like, what was he
even doing there? And a few people have said that
about adding tapping on the shoulder, get your board, pass,
get out. We're not going any four. So six o'clock
that team comes out.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're what I am weirdly into that white collar on
the all blacks jersey? Are you?

Speaker 6 (11:06):
But it doesn't really bother me either way.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
No, I love it, isn't it cool? It's nice nostalgia
At least in nineteen five at.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Least it hasn't got Remember that costume they had a
few years ago, and I say costume because they had
little demonte'es on it those things.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yes, it was like it was like a ball.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It was.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
It was really lovely.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
They never ever ever stoop or drop to those decks
again because that was just hurrimu.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Liking the white col as.

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Long as they go back. I kind of like the
all black and then the black socks and the black
boots and all that. You know, the blackness of the
jersey sends the chills through your heart. As Bill McLaren
once said, I'll put it in a Scottish accent, but
it's probably not that come bune.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's okay, Darcy, you can save it for seven. Look
forward to having a listen to your show when you're back.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
John Hart on the show as well from All Black
Coach taking a look and picking that thirty two man
squad parts brilliant.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Thank you. Darcy does does the water grave for sports
store Coast we'll be back at seven. Right now, it's
four twenty one.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du see
allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
new stalks.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That'd be whether Unfortunately, the Jacinda docco will be out
long before the results of the extended COVID inquiry, and
they definitely both won't look the same. That's true. I
like and you and like, let's be honest about it, right,
I mean, what's more influential a whole bunch of papers
delivered to you by I don't know, somebody who looks
like Tony Blakeley or so like an academic, or a

(12:26):
doco made in Hollywood, and it's going to be more influential.
But the thing is it'll be influential over there where
it doesn't matter. And what's going to be influential over
here is probably going to be the results of this.
And also, by the way, the timing of this is
really cute. They're going to finally wrap it up and
get the final results of February twenty twenty six. What
happens in twenty twenty six, that's right, an election not

(12:48):
going to be able to have Chrisnipkins as your leader labor,
are you because he's going to get trashed in this
And how do you think it feels to be Ashley
Broomfield right now? Is he said? Does this sphink to
just tightened today? Because it should have four twenty five?
On another matter, three strikes. I'm not stoked about this.
I mean I'm stoked about three strikes coming back. I
absolutely am. I am not stroked about this particular version

(13:09):
of three strikes coming back. I'm starting to get a
little bit worried about this law the more I read
about it. The first problem, which I'm gonna admit I
actually thought was a good idea at the start, has
now become obvious to me is not a good idea
at all, which is that the strikes do not apply
to sentences of about two sentences two years in under right,
no strike for that. Well, judges are activists at the moment,

(13:33):
aren't they, And they're all hell bent on keeping people
out of jail. So what's the judge going to do.
All they're going to do is give them twenty three months,
twenty three months, twenty three months, twenty three months. They
will just discount those sentences right down to the point
where strike doesn't apply because they hate the three strikes law.
But more importantly, this is really concerning This law wipes
all of the previous strikes that we had last time around.
Do you remember we had all those those strikers and

(13:55):
stuff like that all gone. Now as a result, anyone
who got a first, second, or third strike under the
first law now will not be They'll just have a
clean slate. I'm going to tell you about a guy
called Arona Perre Tomata, Ho's just going to get a
clean slate. And you tell me, when you've heard about
this in the next half hour whether you think he
should have a clean slate, because I guarantee you going
to be worried about this. We're going to talk to

(14:15):
Cole McKee, the Minister responsible, twenty five away from six now,
Julian Assange just quickly update on him. So he has
left the UK's probably still on the plane. Got on
a plane bound for the island of Sapan, where he's
going to go to court, apparently to plead guilty to
a single charge criminal count of conspiring to obtain and
disclose classified US national defense documents. This is part of

(14:37):
a plea bargain that's been reached with the States, and
you can assume that the Australians have been involved in this.
He's going to be sent instead of hearing on the
island of Sapan in the Northern Mariana Islands at nine
am local time tomorrow. That's eleven amish here, and probably
he's going to be credited for the five years he's
already served in their full face, no new jail time.
Why Sapan, which you've never heard of before, because Sapan

(14:59):
is a commonwealth of the United States in the western
Pacific Ocean, so it's part of the States technically, but
not the States because you know what they would do
if he landed in the States, just grab him and
lock him up. So it's halfway between P and G
and Japan, just so you can place where it is
close to Australia is the most important point. And after
he's done all the stuff, he flies off to Australia,
thank goodness, because we're all sick of this nonsense. I mean,

(15:21):
I am so sick of the guy who likes looks
like a vampire being stuck in prison. And I was
getting increasingly worried about him frankly and the lack of
vitamin D and also bold move. Can I just say
going to Australia because old mate has been nineteen hundred
days in jail, he was already pale as you like beforehand.
After nearly two thousand days in jail, he definitely is
extremely pale and he's going straight into the Aussie son.

(15:42):
So if I was his wife, I'd be packing countless
bottles of SPS fifty to try to help him out
when he gets to Australia. Anyway, Murray Old's over in Australia,
is going to be with us shortly and talk us
through that, and then Barry Soper on the politics of
the day. Headlines are next.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duper c
Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected and
news talk Z beat me.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Face, watch me.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
He's probably also pale because he's a vegan, so he's
low on iron wolf. That would explain a lot. That
probably explains everything hither. It's pronounced sipan. See never heard
of it before, that's so you must pronounce it. So anyway,
now we all know saipan. Just I mean, is there
a tiny, tiny little part of you that wonders if
Julian is going to land there and suddenly the Americans

(16:48):
are going to be like tricked, just arrest them. So
they've been trying. They must be, Oh, they must be
so tempted, and they've been trying to arrest him for
such a long time. He's been hiding all over the
show and stuff. And then that you land on their
soil and they have to be like hands off. That sucks, Heather.
I was on the lottery system that Jacinda and Bloomfield
and Hipkins invented, and I missed my father's hospitalization and

(17:09):
funeral and I will never forgive them for it. And
the fact that they're doing a rah rah documentary on
Jacinda makes me want to vomit. On that subject, there
is I think there's I think I think the hype
around what's going on with New Zealand First today is
slightly over the top. So New Zealand First has triggered
the agree to disagree clause in the New Zealand First
and National Coalition Agreement, and it's parents like first signs

(17:31):
of cracks with Winston Peters as Hard's been a ruck
settled down. No, it's not, it's not. It's not the
first time even that National, that New Zealand versus done this.
I'm pretty sure they did it with Labor and all
that they're disagreeing on is that New Zealand first, Winston
Peters wants to get rid of the Tony Blakeley part
of the inquiry, right, the one that Labour set up
the first part. They just want to get rid of
it because they as they say, it's basically just used

(17:53):
to craft a message for the Labour Party, was a
political tool, right, so they want to get rid of it.
National wants to keep it. I don't even think that
that's that big a deal anyway. Barry Sooper will be
with us in ten minutes time. He can give us
his take on it. Twenty two away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
The World Wires on News Dogs it'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Julian Assange, as I told you, has been released from jail.
The US Justice Department says the Wiki Leagues founder has
agreed to plead guilty to one criminal charge and in exchange,
he's not going to serve any more jail time. Australian
Senator David Pocock is very happy.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
Great, great news, and really want to give credit to
a number of people who've pushed this for years, to
the Prime Minister's credit and opposition, he started talking about
this since then. This is a great result for I
think an Australian for Australia.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Muriold's on that shortly. Benjamin Netanya, who the Israeli Prime Minister,
says Israeli troops will be moved from Ratha to the
border with Lebanon. He says the most intense phase of
fighting hume Us and the Gaza Strip is over, but
that does not mean that the war is over.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
We will not end the war until we return all
one hundred and twenty abductees, the living and the dead,
without exception.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
And finally, animal control officers are hunting for a brown
and white cow on the loose in the city of Boston.
The cow was spotted wandering around a suburban neighborhood over
the weekend, and when the animal control showed up and
made a bee line for the woods, it actually managed
to get away. Now we do not know where the
cow came from. We do not know where the cow went,
but the authorities have warned people not to approach the
Cow if they see it.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
International correspondents with ends in eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Murrayol's Australia correspondent with us nahema's.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Very good afternoons here.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
So when is Julian Nosaje due to land in Australia.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Well behind by the end of the week. Is the
thinking here?

Speaker 9 (19:38):
Left London last night, going we understand via Singapore to
fly then out to Saipan.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Of course Saipan.

Speaker 9 (19:48):
The Battle of Saipan one of the most violent of
the Second World War. It was considered by Japan, of course,
to be one of the last lines of defense of
their homeland, and a lot of American Marines and Army
took on a lot of Japanese soldiers there, so there's
a lot of history. Anyway, it's an American protectorate. The
plan is for for Assange to land, to go to court,

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plead guilty to one felony, be sentenced to sixty two
months in jail the precise amount of time he's been
held in jail in London, and then on the next
plane out via back via Singapore, we understand, and then
home to Australia.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
So could be by the end of the week.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
So if he's only I mean, if he's appearing in
court tomorrow at nine am, which is what like eleven
Amur time, and whatever type mid morning, early morning your time,
what's stopping it from jumping on a plane and just
hitting home straight away and being home tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, look, he might be.

Speaker 9 (20:42):
I just don't know what airlines he's flying, and I
don't know the the you know, the connections out of
Saipan back to mainland Asia.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
But certainly, look there's a lot of excitement here.

Speaker 9 (20:54):
I don't think anyone much cares exactly when he touches down,
just as long as he does. I heard you make
reference there to if they say, well, got you now,
Because that's what he's been fighting for. That's what he
jumped into the Ecuadorian embassy for, and that is why
he has been held in jail for five years and
two months, because he would not be he would not
accept extradition to the United States, where he faced hundreds

(21:15):
of years in jail. Basically, in my view, as you
know it was a lifetime journalist. He was simply exercising
freedom of speech. He didn't steal the documents. He simply
published them in the same way as the was the
New York Times, the Washington Post published the Pentagon papers.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I mean, it's it's it's.

Speaker 9 (21:32):
Documents out there in the public domain. For me, I
think putting stuff out like what we saw in the
in the in the wiki leaks leaks, I think it
did it did everyone a big, big favor.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
It exposed what was going on.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, fair enough. Hey, what do you make of the
Matt keen appointment.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, uh, look, I don't know Matt keenan all that.

Speaker 9 (21:55):
Well, I've spoken to him Harvard dozen times, you know,
interviewed him and so on. He it was a strange
for the New South Wales Liberal Party because he was
such a lefty. He could almost have been a labor
politician to be honest.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Anyway, he served as.

Speaker 9 (22:08):
You know, he was a very young Minister for Energy,
Minister for climate change, and he was at odds of
course with some on the hard right wing side of
the Liberal Party, the Conservatives over here. It didn't seem
to bother him. He was busy taking potshots at anyone
about the need to go renewable energy. He was always
an opponent of nuclear energy, so he was about to quit.

(22:30):
He's still a member of parliament. Actually he just quit
the Shadow Ministry. I think he leaves on Friday. Anyway,
he's been appointed to the Chair of the Climate Change
Authority by Anthony Alberanisi. And look this outrage on the
right hand side of politics over here, you turncoat, you
traitor left.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
He's a saying well beauty, I mean Albanisi.

Speaker 9 (22:51):
An inspired master stroke to blunt Peter Dutton's push for
nuclear We have to wait and see.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
I mean, look, he's not a pin up the right.
I'm can assure you of that.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah too, right, Muslssen. Thank you as always, really appreciate him.
We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Again,
that's Murray Old's Ossie correspondent. Okay, here we go. Are
you serious, Heather, I didn't know that the three strikes
had all of those stipulations. What's the bloody point of
the judges still get to run the show? Quite? Very
good question, Steve. Let me run you through this guy,
Rana Pere Tomata Rana Petra is not a nice character.

(23:23):
You wouldn't want to come across him on a dark
night in an alley. He is on his third strike
because he beat his girlfriend to death with his bare
hands in twenty nineteen. That was his third strike. He
has over twenty criminal convictions as an adult, he's believed
to have more as a youth offender. In fact, under
the new law, because I told you, it wipes all

(23:44):
the previous strikes away, he gets no strike. He hasn't.
We're clean cleanslating this guy, like, ah, yeah, Ranapetra, Yeah,
twenty criminal convictions and you killed your girlfriend with your
bare hands. Now, can clean slate you, mate, don't worry
about it. In fact, the weird thing is under the
new law because it's so watered down, he would never
even have got to his third strike the way that

(24:04):
it's set up now, because as I told you, you
only get a strike if your sentence is over twenty
four months two years in jail. Right, his first offense,
which was aggravated robbery, which is incredibly serious, only got
him eight months home d that's not a strike now,
So didn't get his first strike. Second one was a robbery,
he only got twenty months in prison. Again, didn't get

(24:25):
a second strike. So now we've got a guy who's
a clean slate, who wouldn't have any strikes under the
current law. Tell me that law's a good law. Doesn't
sound like it to me. Nicole McKee's going to be
with us, as I say, twenty five away from six
so statuned for that sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
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Speaker 3 (24:43):
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Speaker 10 (24:45):
Now how barring a good afternoon, Heathery.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
So, what did the snap debate in Parliament about the
fairies find out?

Speaker 10 (24:49):
Hah, not a lot really, but it was the ministerial questions.
I think that found a lot more than what the
debate did. It was claimed, didn't part elament during question
time that Winston Peters, when he was with the Durn government,
was the minister responsible for the faery contract which blew
out from seven hundred and fifty million to three point

(25:11):
two billion. Well, I talked to Winston Peters about this
and he said that yes he did sign off on
two fairies, but they would have been the same size
and dimension of the fairies that are crossing the strait
at the moment. But the contract that was signed by
Labor contracted bigger, much bigger fairies, which meant that infrastructure

(25:35):
on either side of the strait had to be upgraded,
so that we're saying that's where all the money came from.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
When he was the Soe Minister, he said, yes, you
can get two fairies, but he said two small fairies.

Speaker 10 (25:44):
Two fairies the size are the ones that were currently operated.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
And then when at the change of government in twenty
twenty in New Zealand, first was out. After that it
was Labour who then went for the big one, the
big ones.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
Yeah, right, So the Prime Minister he faced questions about
it in Parliament today and he said the Abor led
government had no idea of what they were getting the
country into.

Speaker 11 (26:04):
This government knows how to run economics, we know how
to manage projects, right, unlike that government who somehow thought
it was perfectly reasonable to go spend seven hundred and
fifty million dollars which just turns into three point two
billion dollars and rising. You have no economic credientels no
economic record. You haven't been able to deliver a pizza,

(26:24):
let alone fairies.

Speaker 12 (26:26):
And the Prime min is to confirm the cost of
the firies themselves was only twenty one percent of the
total project cost. That is the garage was going to
cost four times as much as the ship that was
going in it.

Speaker 11 (26:40):
I can eighty percent of the costs were now associated
with port redevelopments in Wellington and Picton for big ships
that actually didn't work.

Speaker 10 (26:47):
See that's ridiculous because really that why would you go
ahead with ships that didn't weren't fit for perspose when
it came to docking on either side of the Strait.
Now I can confirm that the Sterial Advisory Group met
last night to consider an option for the new fairies,
which will no doubt be smaller and able to birth

(27:08):
at these on either side of the strait. The current
ships have to be maintained for at least two years.
Act of course, wants to sell off forty nine percent
of Kiwi roll. So look, this is a really vexed issue.
But once if they sign a contract for fairies that
basically the equivalent to those that are sailing the Straight,

(27:32):
now it seems to be the end of the real problem.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Barry, did the ministerial meeting make a decision last night?

Speaker 10 (27:39):
Now they haven't made a decision. That's got to go
to cabinet. So they had a discussion on it. So
they will, no doubt probably go to cabinet hopefully.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Do you know if they formed a view I can
preferred view.

Speaker 10 (27:50):
I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Okay, I know they meant.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
Interesting, but they are moving at pace right they are.
This thing was dragging on and then all of a
sudden the ship runs aground and now they're having a meeting,
they're making calls.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
They have to make it come. I mean, it takes
time to build a.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Ship that three strikes laws A bit of a dog,
isn't it.

Speaker 10 (28:04):
Well, See, I found it incredible that I heard you say,
and I tried to check it out that if the
previous records of criminals in New Zealand are expunge that
was sentenced under three strikes, what's the point of bringing
it back. Well, there is a point in bringing it back,
but people that have had two strikes, they should be

(28:25):
still held accountable. They haven't done rehabilitated in any way
if they're before the court again. So I find that incredible.
And I know you're going to be speaking to Nicole
McKee about it, and I'd like to hear her explanation
on that, because I think it is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Barry, I don't think that this New Zealand first invoking
the agree to disagree provision is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Is No.

Speaker 10 (28:49):
I've seen the media go crazy on this today and
it's really frustrated me saying cracks and the coalition. Well,
you know, in every coalition that's taken plays since nineteen
ninety six, there have been clauses in the coalition agreements
to agree to disagree, and that simply means on this
occasion it was a fairly minor disagreement and that Winston

(29:13):
Peter is one of the whole COVID inquiry Commission of
Inquiry scrapped and started out to restart it because he
felt that it was biased, would have been biased towards labor,
and probably with good reason. But to agree to disagree,
I think is perfectly legitimate. And what is a coalition
type co.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, thank you, I thought so too. Okay, Barry really
appreciate It's Barry so Per, senior political correspondent. Hey listen,
I'm hearing some stuff about the RMA, so I'm going
to talk you through it next. It's eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
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Speaker 4 (29:46):
Scott Robertson is with us. How different do you think
it's going to be this era under you?

Speaker 13 (29:50):
How different now all I haven't thought about it that
one might. Well, I think people know who I am.
I think I'll be myself along the way. I think
we'd be a little bit more insights and what more
connection to who we are, how we do things. And
big part of what.

Speaker 14 (30:01):
I have to do is bring a past a legacy
with us.

Speaker 13 (30:04):
So before you'll see what the film. But on the field,
some team that kick in a dept played different ways,
played a team in front of us to win that game.

Speaker 15 (30:12):
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Speaker 13 (30:14):
Ways to win? I'm looking forward, like I said, to
bring everyone together and man, I'm sure you'll keep me accountable.

Speaker 9 (30:18):
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Speaker 3 (30:24):
Zebby Hey, just a quick update on what's going on
with that rescue effort off the Gisbane coast with the
three boats have been missing. We've just had an update
from Maritime New Zealand. They've confirmed that they have actually
seen two guys alive in the sea. The trouble is
the terrible weather conditions are making it really hard for
them to be able to actually get in there and
get those people. They are at the moment not in

(30:46):
a vessel. They are in the sea and apparently the
swells are something like six meters high or something very
very difficult for them to be able to get in there.
Just after four o'clock they dropped a life raft in
the area that the men are and they're hoping that
the guys will be able to get into the life raft.
We will keep you posted on this as the details
come out, and hopefully they hopefully that it's good news. Next,

(31:06):
what was I going to tell you? I was going
to tell you about the the RMA. Okay, listen, I'm
hearing that apparently there is significant concern that people and
government are losing their nerve over reforming the ROMA. You
will remember that the coalition agreement between ACT and National
promises to replace the RMA, so it's going to like
it is not going to be a tinker tinker. It
is a complete replacement of the RM and thank you Jesus,

(31:28):
that's what we all want, right but apparently that is
what is written. But there is concern that the relevant Minister,
who is Chris Bishop is either or may go soft
on this. Now, what he is first planning to do,
you can see at the moment that we're just trying
to work with the RMA as it is, right, because
reform takes a while. It's with the fast track laws
and all that stuff. So apparently what he's doing is

(31:50):
he's planning to tweak the existing RM in the first
instance with a bunch of exemptions and loopholes and stuff
like that, which may work in the short term, but
it's just going to make a complicated piece of art
even more complicated than it already is. Right, that's not
a solution. And what they're worried about, the people I'm
talking to, is that he's going to stop there and
he's going to say, ow that does the job, never mind,
and is no more political blowback and stuff. That's enough,

(32:11):
and then not do the reform they want the reform
to go through. The concern is deep enough for this
now to be talked about around the trap, So hopefully
he doesn't lose his nerve and hopefully he carries on
with it. I have got another example of a just
a delightful character who's about to have all of his
strikes wiped with this new law. I'm run you through that.
In the next half hour or thereabouts, we'll have a

(32:34):
little chat to Brook van Valden, the Internal Affairs Minister,
about the expanded COVID Committee COVID inquiry, and again thank
you Jesus. I'm looking forward to the outcome of that
and the chap from Hamilton. Who's used He's written a
letter to a neighboring council who's made a submission on
the Cambridge Bridge and he's used words that I cannot

(32:54):
use otherwise I will be without a job and an income.
But he's used them, so we're goen have a chat
to him in twenty minutes. It's time News took zed.

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Speaker 3 (33:33):
Good afternoon. The government has announced it's expanding the COVID inquiry.
It'll keep the existing one that was started by labor
which mainly looks into the health calls and the economic ramifications,
but it's now going to add a second part to
that inquiry. It's going to look at all the juicy stuff,
the extended lockdowns in Auckland and Northland, the vaccine ef efficacy,
vaccine safety, the extent of disruption to our health, education
and businesses and so on. Brook van Velden is the

(33:55):
Internal Affairs Minister who ordered this and is with us now.
Hey Brook, Hey, well, thank you. Of the controversial stuff
that happened. Is there anything you're not looking into?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
No.

Speaker 17 (34:06):
What we've done is we've gone out for public submissions
and we've had really fulsome submissions come back over thirteen
thousand people. We've looked in detail at what people would
like us to look into, plus added those with New
Zealand First Coalition commitments as well, and I think we've
got a really good pass board. There's still a lot

(34:27):
of concern I know out during the public of if
we have another pandemic, how will the New Zealand government react,
And there's a lot of lessons to be learned, and
I think this helps us answer those questions and is
a really good pass forward that this government is creating.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, so you're looking at mandates inflation, confiscating rat kits,
spending of COVID fund on art funding, closing schools, closing businesses, MiQ,
restricting access to dying relatives, all of that.

Speaker 17 (34:56):
Well, the technicalities of everything that you've been talking thing
about will come out in full detail in a few
more months.

Speaker 14 (35:03):
But the broad scope of this is that.

Speaker 17 (35:05):
We're looking into how the government balanced all of the
other goals government versus COVID, you know, things like breastcatter
screening and why that was put on pauds, Why it
was that kids weren't able to access school and the
effect that they will have on their social well being
over time, and why on earth it was so hard

(35:25):
for businesses just to be open and do their business,
and why the government was stopping that. Those things that
come through really loud and clear, as well as concern
about whether or not those mandates were right. I think
from my own perspective, I don't think they were. However,
we've got to look at how we would do better
in the future, and that's what we'll be going into

(35:46):
great detail on.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Would you be expecting just sindada In and Ashley Bloomfield
to actually be giving evidence.

Speaker 17 (35:54):
Well, part of this requirement for terms of reference going forward,
is it part of the evidence will be held in public.
It's not for me at this point to say exactly
who would be in those hearings in public, because that's
up to the commissioners and we do have to.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
But this is a possibility, right, It's a possibility that
Jacinda or Ashley is sitting there in public answering questions
about this.

Speaker 17 (36:17):
Yeah, look, it's a possibility that it could be a
range of different people. Like I say, I can't give
a guarantee on what that will look like because that's
up to the Commissioners at the end of the day
as part of their independence.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Listen, this agree to disagree clause that's been invoked by
New Zealand first doesn't strike me as a particularly a
big deal.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Is it.

Speaker 18 (36:35):
No, not at all.

Speaker 17 (36:36):
But I think what's really at play here is that
as a coalition we've found a really good path forward
that meets both coalition agreements and everybody is on board.
All we have here is one issue about something in
the past, which was Labour's Royal Commission in terms of Reference,
and the commissioners I don't think there's a lot to

(36:57):
see there. What we have as a government working really
well and also acknowledging that there might be a point
of difference on that one little issue.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Good stuff, Brook, Thank you very much, Brook van Velden.
The Internal affairsmanis to listen. I'm just watching the cricket
at the moment. With all the whooping and hollering and
crying and hugging and stuff that's going on, it would
appear that Afghanistan has beaten Bangladesh and the T twenty
World Cup and advance through and they are, let me
tell you, fizzing. Five eleven.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Heather Dupless Wiki Leaks founded.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Julian Nossang is currently in the air on a plane
on the way to the island of Saipan after being
freed from UK prison. He's agreed to a plea deal
with the US. He's going to plead guilty to one
charge of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified US national
defense documents, so he'll appear in court in Saipan and
then he's going to walk free. New South Wales Green
Senator David Schubrit has been campaigning for Julian Massangan with

(37:43):
US now.

Speaker 18 (37:44):
Hey, David, Yeah, hey, I'm good to speak with you,
and good to speak with you knowing that a really
brave Australian citizen is on his way.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Home by and when does he get home.

Speaker 18 (37:55):
Well, we're hoping that he'll be home before the week
is out. And I think his you know, his family
and his supporters would would like him to have a
little bit of privacy on his trip back home and
his return to Australia. But we want him to be
dipping his seat in the sound of an Australian beach
before the week is out.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Are you sure that he is totally safe from US
authorities when he's in Saipan.

Speaker 18 (38:20):
Well, look, no one's ever totally sure. I mean, this
is a government that was willing to reach across the
other side of the planet and then pluck him from
his family, prosecute him, and try and keep him in
jail for life. But I have a lot of regard
and respect for his legal team. They would not have
allowed this to happen if they weren't sure that it
would end with his eventual freedom in Australia. So, you know,

(38:43):
I have a lot of regard for his legal team,
and I'm certain that they've put in place the protections
they need for their client and so Julian can get home.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
How much work did the Aussie government do on the
Plea deal?

Speaker 18 (38:57):
Well, I do want to give credit to the the
Australian Ambassador in Washington, Kevin Ruddiformer Australian Prime Minister. I know,
I know from reports from the Assrange team. I know
from going over to Washington myself as part of a
broader delegation and urging the embassy and members of US
Congress to do all they could to release Julian and Sun.

(39:19):
I know, I know he's put genuine effort in and
I think that's really important. I think the fact that
we've we've had politicians from across the political spectrum here
in Australia unite together to ask to well, to demand
that Julian Bill had to come home. I think I
think that's all been incredibly important.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
David, good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so
much appreciated. David Tubridge, Green Senator for New South Wales.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Do for se Allen the gett that.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Justina front and front and center. I'll tell you what,
that's probably my favorite bit of what Brook Van Velden said,
you might actually see the old Ashley and the old Justinda,
you know, team reunited behind a microphone under new ras.
How good would that be? Asking if you quick questions
and seeing them sweat on that one. I'm starting to
get really excited. I feel like I'm more excited about

(40:05):
this thing than I am about the doco. Even though
I'm slightly excited about the doco. That just should show
you how excited I am. Anyway, listen on more important news.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
The cops have.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Arrested three kids for that robbery of the jewelry store
and pappatoy toy where the owner was smashed on the
head with the hammer and then were slashed on the
knife with a knife on the forehage, you remember that
one that just happened over the weekend. Get a load
of these ages. Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, too young for boot
camps apparently, but absolutely not too young to allegedly had

(40:36):
a fully grown man on the head with a hammer repeatedly.
They have been charged with aggravated robbery with intent to
cause serious grievous bodily harm. That's a serious charge. The
sixteen year old also faces an additional charge of aggravated assault.
The fifteen year old also faces an additional charge of assault. Also,
the fifteen year old faces further charges after offending further north.

(40:58):
Apparently he was charged with two two aggravated robberies and
an aggravated burglary that happened earlier this month. They will
all three appear in the Manecow Youth Court. I'll tell
you what a boot camp would be. The least of
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Speaker 4 (42:12):
Six to two ever duper c alen.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Either forget the hammer first lay firstly, are they old
enough to rob a store? If they are, they are
old enough to go to jail? End of story. One
hundred percent with you, one hundred percent with you, nineteen
past five. Now Hamilton Council is in a bit of
trouble for a letter he wrote to a neighboring district council.
The whipa district council Andrew Bidder made a submission to
YPA over the placement of a third bridge and Cambridge
to give you an idea of why this is so controversial.

(42:36):
Here's a line from the submission that I'm going to
have to heavily censors so we don't get BSA. What
the F word?

Speaker 10 (42:41):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Two offensive words for intellectually disabled people, the R word
and the S word sees doing So let's talk to
Andrew Bidder about this. Hey, Andrew, Andrew, why did you
use this language?

Speaker 19 (42:57):
Because anyone who's ever complaining to a council will know
the five deeds of bureaucracy, delay, the fur, deny, defend, dismiss.
If you're polite, I know from experience, nothing happens. It
is a waste of time. Your ever your article about
clean slates and three strikes. WYPAW Council does not have

(43:19):
a clean slate. It's been through its three strikes. I
have tried to be polite in the past and never
got anywhere. I did this because it cannot be ignored.
It was the only way to get a reaction and
to get the issue dealt with, So rather not do
it this way. But if it's the only way they react, then.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I have to Okay, it sounds to me like you're
in legal trouble. Right Your Mayor Paula Southgate has called
the lawyers in.

Speaker 13 (43:50):
Well.

Speaker 19 (43:50):
The New Zealand Bill of Rights, Section fourteen states everyone
has the right to freedom of expression to impart opinions
of any kind in any form.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
There are restrictions on that, Andrew, there are restrictions. I
can't even say those words on air. I would lose
my job.

Speaker 19 (44:09):
That's related to the broadcasting standards. You have the right
to say those words, just not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
On the air.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Look, and I love freedom of speech and stuff, but
there are professional expectations, not particularly professional, is it?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well?

Speaker 19 (44:27):
At one key point is I didn't do this as
a Hamilton City councilor. I am a wye PA resident,
a y P ratepayer. I did this because it affects
my wife power property. And I did it on the
Wye Paw council website.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Okay, so there was nothing to.

Speaker 19 (44:46):
Do with Hamilton City Council about this, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
If you think about the particular the potential ramifications of
what you've done, was it really worth it to draw
attention to the bridge, like really.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
Was it right.

Speaker 19 (44:59):
So the way the wipeout council did this, it's having
an impact on one hundred houses and probably wiping out
half their value. So that's a fifty million dollar cockup.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Is that a yes? Then yes, Andrew, thank you, I
really appreciate your time. That's Andrew Bidter. Hamilton City Council
councilor oh why par District Councils put out a statement
saying his assertion that the process was altered by his
letters entirely false. His feedback was treated the same as
any other piece of feedback and did not change the
approach five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
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Speaker 4 (45:40):
As they'd be.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
By the way, one of the implications of Afghanistan making
it through the T twenty is they knocked Australia out
five twenty five. Now on Farmac, I mean, I think
we can all see that the NATS staffed up with
stuffed up the thirteen cancer drugs announcement on so many levels. Right,
they should never have promised the specific drugs because that's
Farmac's job. And then having promised them, and in the
first year the government they shouldn't have broken that promise

(46:01):
by leaving them out of the budget. And then after that.
It's never really a good look as that if you
finally get dragged to delivering on your promise because of
public outrage over it. But having said all of those things,
sometimes I think we can get a little too caught
up in the political shenanigans and not focus enough on
the end point. How good is the end point? I mean,
we have just had the single biggest injection of cash

(46:22):
into Farmac ever. We've had more cancer drugs than ever
promised to be delivered in one go that announcement yesterday
are fifty four new drugs that wiped more than a
third off Farmak's wish list. Between the six hundred million
dollars that was given yesterday and then the one point
seven billion dollars that was announced in the budget, this government,
which hasn't even been in power for nine months, has
just managed to pump two point three billion dollars into Farmac.

(46:45):
Now I'm of the view personally that Farmac is one
of the most important things that any government funds. Is
this literally the difference for some people between life and death.
And and then those people are people who more often
than not have actually paid their taxes diligently and just
been good people. And what normal law abiding key is
I think deserve access to as many drugs they can
save their lives as anyone else in the Western world.

(47:07):
I will never ever complain about FARMAC getting more money.
However we end up in the weird situation that they
get more money. So in the end, I'm actually weirdly
grateful for national stuffing this up, because we've ended up
funding fifty four new drugs that we didn't have funded
only a couple of days ago. And isn't that the
thing that actually really matters the most?

Speaker 20 (47:24):
Ever?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Do forel right.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
You want this third striker toe who David me tying
Na Thai David to Who David me tying Na Thai
is a third striker who repeatedly sexually assaults women. He
has over one hundred criminal convictions as an adult, is
believed to be a gang associate. His daughter has a
protection order against him. According to the judge who sentenced

(47:49):
him on his third strike, he has been assessed by
probation as a high risk of reoffending and a high
risk of causing harm to others. So he's he's one
of those guys. He's not nice. Again, you probably don't
want to come across him in the dark and an
alley somewhere out the back of town. Anyway, because the
government is reintroducing the three strikes two point zero legislation
in the way that they are, he's going to have
a clean slate. So currently today he's got three strikes.

(48:12):
When this law passes, he got no strikes. He's going
to have a clean slate, because he's obviously a lovely chat. Also,
what's even worse is that under the new legislation as
being introduced by the government, he wouldn't even be a
third striker if this is the way that that introduced
to the first time around, because as you know, third
strike or any strike only kicks in with prison sentences
over two years. His first strike offense, which was in

(48:34):
a decent assault, he only got one year three months
jail no strike. Under the new law. Second strike offense,
another and decent result, he was sentenced to one year
one month imprisonment no strike under the new law. So
our friend Tohu David me tying Artai would actually be
a no striker under the law. Tell me that's a
good law. I'm gonna ask Nicole mckeif if that's a
good law when she's with us next. He used to

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Speaker 3 (49:19):
I can tell you one thing, those young criminals become
far better at what they do outside of jail than
they do in a practice makes perfect and those individuals
look like a well practiced team. Break that myth that
jail makes them better criminals, Well, outside jail makes them
even better. Steve may have a fair point there, I think, Hey,
New Zealand, Rugby's opened its books. Yeah, you know once
again in the red Water surprise loss of nine million

(49:41):
dollars almost for the financial year. The income was two
sixty eight million, but the expenditure was two seventy seven million,
therefore deficit of eight point nine million. It's slightly better
than the year before where they had a loss of
forty seven million, so things are in the right direction.
I suppose Mark Robinson CEO will be with us after
six o'clock. The huddle is standing by right now. It's
twenty four away from six together. Do see Godman is introduced.

(50:02):
It's revamped three strikes law to Parliament today, but it
is quite a watered down version of what three strikes
used to be. The new law is not going to
apply to any sentences under two years. It's going to
wipe all previous strikes. It's going to clean slate all
the criminals. Nicole McKee is the Associate Justice Minister and
with us he Nicole.

Speaker 17 (50:19):
Hi, great to be back with you again, Nicole.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I can't imagine that you are comfortable with clean slating
all of these thugs. Why are you doing that?

Speaker 17 (50:26):
Well, we have to, and the reason why we have
to is because the regime that's about to be introduced
is going to be different to the one that we
had in the past, and because of that, it means
that we cannot carry over people from a different, repealed
regime into a new one.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Why don't you just move that same, Nicole, make it
the same so that you can carry it over.

Speaker 17 (50:47):
You know, it would be great if we could make
it the same. But I think the reality is if
we do that, it's just going to be repelled again,
and all those criminals.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Who can't let out who cares.

Speaker 17 (50:56):
Lab wheel here here because we want to make sure
that victims are looked after and that the real serious, repeat,
sexual and violent offenders are locked up. And what Labor
has done has basically said the way you mean about
it was wrong. We're going to let them out, and
we don't want that to happen again. Now, there were
some genuine concerns about lower level offending being caught up

(51:18):
in the three strikes regime. Three strikes is meant to
go after the most serious violent offenders, and when you
get the low level offending being caught up, then you
are not actually meeting the intent of the law. So
we've got to make sure that those people that were
serving a third strike, that had seventy four offenses amongst
them each as an average, are going to be locked up.

(51:39):
And this new regime is going to make sure that happened.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Nicole. Let me tell you about Rona Peritomata. He is
a third striker. His third strike was beating his girlfriend
to death in twenty nineteen with his bare hands. Under
your law, he wouldn't even be a third striker because
his first defense was aggravated robbery, for which he got
eight months home detention, strike under the old law, not
a strike under yours. Second was a robbery, twenty months

(52:03):
in jail, strike under the old law, not a strike
under yours. Ends up killing his girlfriend. You want to
tell me he shouldn't be a third striker.

Speaker 17 (52:10):
And I think the changes that we're making to the
regime where we give sentencing principles to the judges that
say to them, pay you cannot behave in such a
way that you use the three strikes regime as a
reason to offer discount. I mean some of those issues
of that, that's not what I'm talking about. Want to
make sure that the judges that implement the law understand

(52:32):
the true intent of the law.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
And that's not what I'm doing. That's about the judges.
That this is not about the judges.

Speaker 17 (52:38):
This is about you, judge, giving out the sentences.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
You have written the law so that our friend are Unaptitomata,
who ends up killing his girlfriend on his third strike,
never even reaches the third strike under your law. That's
on you, that's not on the judges.

Speaker 17 (52:52):
Well, actually, no, it's not on me. What's on me
is to make sure that we have a regime in
the future that's fit for purpose, that won't be repat
that locks up those serious violent offendors.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
What's the point role who cares?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
If you're going to give me a piece of legislation
that's a dog who cares if it gets repealed or not.
It's not work. It's not going to work.

Speaker 17 (53:11):
Then I invite everybody who has the same opinion as
you to take advantage of the Select Committy process. Come
in and tell us what it is that they want
to make it stronger, and let's see what we can
do to accommodate that as we go through that Select
Committee process. That's why it's so important to have it
and make sure people have a say.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Nicole, would you like to actually beef it up? And
do you need our help to come along to the
Select Committee process to help you to beef it up.

Speaker 17 (53:37):
The more people that submit and tell us what they
really want in there, the more that the Justice Select
Committee will be able to listen and hopefully accommodate them.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Would you like to beef it up?

Speaker 17 (53:49):
I think that we need to go harsh and hard
on our criminals, especially those serious violent ones. But I
also think that we need to have some sort of
out for the lower level offending. But I also think
that we need to make sure that the principles of
sentencing are in place so that the judges do understand
the intent of the regime and that those really serious

(54:11):
offenders are locked before I let.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
You go, long time before I let you go. You're
talking about lower level offending, right, which is offending which
doesn't capture, which is under two years in jail?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Right?

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Oh, mate Tomata, first offense aggravated robbery eight months home
d Is that low level offending as far as you're concerned.

Speaker 17 (54:29):
Well, when we look at the qualifying offenses, there's a
list of forty One of them was forty it's going
to be forty one. And as I mentioned, the principles
on sentencing, guidelines for the judges really spout out in
this new bill that we're putting through will ensure that
people that do have offenses like that, if they are serious,

(54:51):
are sentenced appropriately and then given the strike as a
part of that. As I mentioned, for people to actually
come and be a part of the flex the process
tell us what they really think, what they'd really like
to see, because what people's views are actually matter, and
it's how we go about making sure we have good legislation.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Okay, well, here's hoping you get the support you need, Nicole,
to make this the thing it needs to be. Thank
you so much for your time, Nicole McKee, Associate Justice Minister.

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Huddle with us this evening. We've got Jordan Williams Taxpayers
Union and Caine Thompson Government Relations consultant. How are you too,
We're going to come back to this. I'm going to
come back to this and just attack. First of all though,
do you think, Jordan that we are going to end
up with Jacinda and Ashley in the stand giving public submissions?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Well, I hope.

Speaker 21 (55:39):
So you look around the world and the equivalent inquiries
have pot under the litmus test in a public hearing.
The decision makers that frankly, they you know, it's difficult
to imagine sending people home to stay at home is
pretty amazing. It is incredible that we've not had that
to date and at the current and inquiry had all

(56:00):
that behind closed doors. Look, even if there's nothing wrong,
it is only right. I mean, for example, look at
what came out in Scotland and in Britain in relation
to the WhatsApp messages. We pride ourselves on being on
having transparent government and this is of course we should
understand what was going on behind the scenes. And I

(56:23):
think it's just extraordinary that that wasn't the default.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, absolutely, Kine you there for that. I'm there for that.

Speaker 15 (56:31):
Am I there for having people up on the stand.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Oh, you don't want you don't want the decision makers
to answer some questions about sending you home.

Speaker 15 (56:40):
I think if we had the decision makers on the stand,
and there's a whole lot of people besides the iconic
few that we would all point to and say that
they should be on the stand. But if you go
back and think about the shape of the current World
Commission of Inquiry, Yes, the scope is new, but I
think we've got kind of swaying the other way around
where we've got on. Okay, we're going to have a

(57:01):
huge public trial to hear all the concerns that people have,
which we know from a certain demographic is going to
be putting people on trial for their views that the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Calls that's not damage.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Happened.

Speaker 15 (57:16):
Yes, yes it does, Yes it does. That's what we're
responding to. I think there's a middle ground here, which is, yes,
there needs to be accountability, Yes, there needs to be transparency.
I think the lessons that we can learn were the
systems that were put in place at the time to
provide the oversight necessary for the public's assurance. Were they right?
I think that's the question that needs to be answered.

(57:37):
That's the one I would be interested in.

Speaker 21 (57:39):
COVID has done more to drive both both polarization and
reduced trust and institutions in New Zealand. To say that
that the will suggest that this sort of inquiry should
be behind closed doors. How does that address those questions.

Speaker 15 (57:54):
I'm not suggesting it should be behind closed doors, and
I don't think COVID is the problem. I think it
has responded to how we've responded to COVID has been
the problem. The fact that it's sitting behind closed doors
I think is being addressed by the second round of
the inquiry. But we shouldn't be looking for something that
provides us with the opportunity to put people on trial.
That's not the objective. The objective is to make sure

(58:16):
that in future, when these situations arrive, that we're better
equipped to be no, no, no no. And I agree
it's going to be trying about.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
The next pandemic. What I want is answers about what
was done to this country. I think we deserve them. Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Am here.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
I'm taking account of you here. You know, like I
think there is a degree of accountability and transparency in
the process. That's the fight. I've said that before. I
just don't know that braying over a trial is the
right way to go about.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Love.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Do you love just Andana? You're scared of what's going
to happen to her.

Speaker 15 (58:57):
I'm not scared of what's going to happen to anyone.
I think if anyone can in the public office, they
have to be a council and they have to be transparent.
All right, But I'm okay with that part. But I
think that there's a whole system that sits behind us.
It can't just be yes.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
But there's always one there's always one boss Kine who
makes the call, and that boss is going to have
to wear it will take a quick break and come back.
We're definitely gonna talk about three strikes fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (59:25):
On the Huddle with me, We've got Can Thomson, Jordan
Williams Right, Jordan. The three streaks is three strikes law
needs beefing up, doesn't it.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
Yeah, firstly, let me just make clear. I think I
worked with Nicole McKee prior to before she was before
she was famous. I think Nicole is one of the
most remarkable New Zealander is one of the most remarkable MPs.
I am sad to say Nicole has been totally captured
by officials on this matter. It is so bad, this

(59:53):
three strikes two point zero. It is so bad. The
Sensible Sentencing Trust, the guys that were behind the first
round are literally reforming the band or a fundraising to
sort of reform their group in order to oppose this law.
It is so bad. I thought that it was extraordinary
that Nicole said that. You know, but the good thing

(01:00:15):
is this won't be repealed by labor. Well, no, your
job is to get good law across the line.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
It is to protect us from.

Speaker 21 (01:00:25):
From absolute thugs, these recidivus. I mean, you've got you
were reading out the profile earlier. It's extraordinary. That's your job,
not measure it well. Labour thinks this is okay, because
I thought, because.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
If Labour thinks it's okay, it's probably not.

Speaker 21 (01:00:39):
It's just extraordinary. The other thing, I mean, I've look,
I'm not bringing any sex secret with you. I've had
Nicole up about us and she said yes. But the
advice I'm getting is that it's retrospective. And we can't
mean to think that they're not even going to count
the strikes under the last regime. They're going to reset
everyone absolutely nuts. Look, she needs to get external legal advice.

(01:01:00):
It does not take the brains of Britain to realize
this is not retrospective. It is simply sentencing policy for
offenses that haven't yet been committed to. Right, it is
not retrospective.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Cain, what do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:01:14):
Well, surprise, surprise, I'm going to agree with Jordan if
you want to pass the law with regardless of whether
I agree with it or not, or anyone agrees with.

Speaker 13 (01:01:22):
Whether or not.

Speaker 15 (01:01:23):
If you're passing law, pass the law you want to pass.
This doesn't feel like it's the law they want to pass.
And I think that the argument that some would make
that it's retroactive, well, look, plenty of law can be
retroactive if you think about the way that it's applied.
I think that Jordan's probably right again that the professionals
have captured the view here of the minister. Yeah, yeah,

(01:01:48):
sorry the other way around. But I'm not necessarily saying
I agree with the law. But if you're going to
pass the law, make the law work. To say that
it's going to withstand the scrutiny of a subsequent government,
I think is weak source to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Yeah too, right, Hey, Kin, what do you think of
Julian Sans walking free?

Speaker 18 (01:02:03):
Finally, I don't know if I care.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
Hither I think like it's it was a huge steal
what twenty years ago. Yes, it's taken on a life
of its own. I mean, yes, he annoyed the government
of the United States of America. Mike Pence has already
said it's a miss garage of justice and all the
rest of it. But you know, like we're twenty years on,
I'm not sure I care.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
Yeah, what do you reckon Jordan.

Speaker 21 (01:02:25):
I'm really torn on this matter. He exposed the US
government for clearly illegal and highly unethical disgraceful behavior. On
the other hand, the allegation that he was begged for
stuff to be redacted that put lives in danger and
he chose not to points to him being evil too.
But you just can't tell what is sinister from the

(01:02:48):
US government. It's very clearly has been law fear against him. Yeah,
I really struggle to figure out who the hero is here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
For his own sake, like it's got Heather's outright Kane,
because at least he's going to get some sunlight and
proper food. I mean, he's not looking how.

Speaker 21 (01:03:05):
The texts you needs we look for an investigator at
the moment, are you were? I mean he's probably would
he be employable?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Actually, maybe you can come join our police for us
to be.

Speaker 15 (01:03:13):
To be don't know if you stand your good character test.
And I also think his techniques might be a little old.
Yeahs anyone's surprised that the United States government has been
up to up to f words on this. You know,
I was told I couldn't use some words on the
show tonight story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 15 (01:03:35):
Know, so he's had his twenty years and in a
situation where he had his rights constrained. Regardless of how
that was played out, whether it was in an embassy
he couldn't get out of, whether it was Bell Marsh present,
where it was, wherever it was, he's paid his price.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, I tend to agree. Hey, guys, thank you. We're
going to leave the next one because I'm terrified that
Jordan's going to say all the bad words out loud.
Jordan Williams, Kane Thompson a huddle this evening, seven away
from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
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Talk as ZIB.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Hey, Heather, there's a big pole on TV and Z tonight. Actually, Ben,
thank you for the heads up, because Ben sent the
text and senators to Laura producer, Laura, is there is
there a pole on TV in zend and yep? So
that's not very good advertising. Is Mikey doing it again, Laura?
Because remember the last poll from Mikey. Oh yes, now
we're all interested. Anyway, we'll bring you all of the

(01:04:36):
all of the hyperbole as it comes through. Absolutely, Heather,
you need to move on about just why focus on
what happened. It happened. You're alive and well and we're
not the only county with problems. Oh we're kind of bankrupt,
is like sort of getting in that direction. So only on.
That's probably why here the get reel. We need to
prosecute her doing She was a megalomaniac narcissist, so people
are pretty split on that one. Listen, it is getting

(01:04:57):
a little tense at Wellington City Council ahead of the
big meeting on Thursday. There's been a flurry of emails
that have been exchanged that are so you're just juvenile.
I think I think is I think juvenile is probably
also But then Tory got like first it was juvenile.
Then Tory got involved in it became legally problematic because
Tory didn't think before she said the things. So I'm

(01:05:19):
going to run you through that before I will do
it in the next half hour or so. Why not?
How good is this? Can I just give you a
bit of good news. There are even more airlines for
you to choose from when you want to fly over
to Australia because I don't know about you, but if
you've tried to fly over to Australia recently and I've
I've had to book tickets to Melbourne, I know, I
hate Melbourne anyway, had to book tickets to Melbourne and

(01:05:39):
cost an arm in a league. So I'm very happy
to see there are more carriers. China Airlines is now
going to start running a service between Auckland and Melbourne.
They're going to do it five days a week if
they're gonna do it from December and if you want
to go on you can also then fly on to Taipei,
which is obviously the whole point of the thing. But regardless,
what we're interested in is can we get cheaper airfares
to go across to Melbourne? And yes, you can love

(01:06:00):
a bit of competition. So that's brilliant news. New Zealand
Rugby is going to be with us straight after the
news just coming up and we'll bring you that poll
as well. Newstalks at b.

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Even in coming up in the next hour. Brad Olson
on the Westpac employment confidence plunge. Roe Duncan on the
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rubbish at selling stuff. Seven pass six. By the way,
TV one has not even started with the poll, so
as soon as the poll numbers come through, we will
be bringing them to you now. On another matter, New
Zealand Rugby has posted a nearly nine million dollar loss

(01:07:10):
for last year. Match day income was down twenty eight million,
down to seventeen million dollars compared to the year before,
and broadcast income took a dive as well. It's the
second loss making year in a row, but at least
it's an improvement on the forty seven million dollar loss
the year before. Mark Robinson is n z RCEEO and
with us now, hey Mark, hi hether a, you well,
thank you. Why is the broadcasting come down? You had

(01:07:31):
more people watching, so yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:07:35):
This is a World Cup year obviously, twenty twenty three.
So traditionally our revenues around broadcast and match day down
and that's because there's less content in New Zealand. We
don't play for example, a traditional rugby championship series, so
we lose a bit of content out of our own
domestic markets, which impacts on on their revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Pretty much the same I would imagine with the match day.

Speaker 22 (01:07:59):
In Yeah, exactly the same.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
So now that we don't have a World Cup in
this upcoming year, do you reckon it'll be boosted enough
to actually make a profit.

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
Well, obviously those revenues will bounce back, but you know,
we have a long standing sort of financial model that
I think is well well understood here that that means
that we've got a lot of fixed costs in the model,
and it is a challenging environment we're working in, but
we're you know, we're certainly making a lot of attempts

(01:08:30):
to change what that model looks like. We've been pretty
open about the fact that although it served the game
incredibly well for a long period of time with a
growth and revenue, we do need to look at a
range of different areas. So I've actually just got to Napier.
We're meeting with all of our provincial union CEOs to
talk about what the future model could look like. And
that's to do with our funding arrangements, our competition models,

(01:08:53):
our pathway models, and overall, I think everyone acknowledges we
could do a few of these things better and that
we could work towards a more optimal model. So that's
what we're spending a lot of time on at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
So, so, have you got some idea of where else
you can make money? Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 22 (01:09:09):
No, I mean, broadly speaking, we don't think revenues in
the game at the moment. The issue we've got a model.
What I'm saying is we've got a model that you know,
doesn't quite suit where the game is heading. So the
revenues across the game, you know, if you combine our
revenue with our provincial union, provincial union revenue and super revenue,

(01:09:31):
is probably close to three hundred and fifty million dollars
across the game. But what we're spending more time on
is looking at our strategy and the role that each
of our different stakeholder groups has to play in the game,
and trying to build more alignment on that and therefore
align the spending and the investment in different levels so
that we can the revenue.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
You got to cut some things out of your budget.
Is that what you're talking about Well, some.

Speaker 22 (01:09:56):
Of it might rationalize costs, some more apportion investment from
one area to another, But yeah, the overall we're looking
at both of those opportunities.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Really, are you talking about shifting who pays the salaries
of the in the wages of the players.

Speaker 22 (01:10:13):
Look, we're not. We're not talking about any one particular moment.
I guess we're talking about a whole range of things
coming together. So we've got clearly the players and the
RPA are really active partners as it relates to what
our competitions look like a union.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
That's the biggest cost, isn't it? Actually paying these people
to play the game is a significant cost for you,
isn't it.

Speaker 22 (01:10:39):
We have significant costs around lots of parts of the business.
You know, we're an isolated country sitting, you know, a
long way away from where we play a lot of
our international rugby, so being involved in our competitions is
a significant cost. Retaining our best talent as a significant cost,
investing in the community games as a significant cost. We're
looking at I think we are in a real position
compared to a lot of other national unions. Wore she

(01:11:00):
investing in growth as well, So we have a new
commercial entity that we're we're looking at investing into the
long term future growth of the game. So all of
those things require investment, and I think what we are
singling is we think the model can be a more
optimal model. It's just going to take a bit of time.
Like all things in you know, stakeholder organizations, it just
takes a bit of time to work through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Fair enough. Hey, by the way, while I've got you,
has Patsy really quit yet?

Speaker 22 (01:11:25):
No? Absolutely not, No, she's I took that question a
while ago and wasn't sure where it had come from.
But no, no, she's She was in what.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Was last night about Mark? What are you talking about?
She said if she didn't get proposal won through, she
was quitting, and then she didn't.

Speaker 22 (01:11:43):
I've been really clear on this, Heather. I'm not I'm
not getting into talking about the government.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I'm not talking about that either. I'm asking you where
the pats are? Did she quit not?

Speaker 22 (01:11:54):
That's a question. Well she's no, she hasn't, and that's
a question for for Patsy. But she she's very active,
engaged in her oband and hasn't resigned.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
The old boy who cried Wolfe. By the way, having
a look at that squad. Are you confident.

Speaker 22 (01:12:11):
I'm excited. Isn't it great?

Speaker 14 (01:12:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:12:14):
You know, I think an awesome balance of some real experienced,
talented players. It's an emerging talent, so now we're really
looking forward to it. Dunedin has sold out, Auckland sold out.
I think we're looking the extra seats for Auckland, and
San Diego is close to selling out. So you combine
that with Super Rugby Finals selling out last weekend and

(01:12:37):
you know, it's really exciting for the game. The products
clearly grabbed the attention of fans and we're really excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
First choice first five? Is it Bowden or is it Damien.

Speaker 22 (01:12:47):
I don't get into that sort of thing. That's well
beyond my remit Heather, but I've got full confidence in
this true to pick the right people and we're lucky
we've got great depth and number of positions.

Speaker 15 (01:12:59):
So that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Hey, thank you very much, Marke. I really appreciated Mark Robinson.
New Zealand Rugby CEO. Patsy hasn't quite what a surprise, mate.
If you're gonna say, like if you're gonna be all
petulant and say that, ain't get in my way. I'm
going to quit. Then you need to do the honorable
thing and fall on your sword. Afterwards, I'll be hanging
around like a bad smell Patsy, just saying, anyway, here

(01:13:23):
you go, here's the poll. Here's Mikey Breaven breathe out.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
It's a coalition.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Sigh of relief. Oh I love it. National thirty eight
up to Labor, twenty nine down one, Green thirteen down one,
Act seven Stable, New Zealand First on six up two,
Multi Party three down one, Top On two up one.

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In the House, the National Act, New Zealand First coalition
under the Pole has the numbers to govern as you
would expect. They've got sixty four seats, et cetera. Basically
just confirming what we did in the election. Chris Luxen
in terms of per popularity, he's on twenty three percent,
Chippy is on eighteen up two, Chloe swallbricks on six
no change, Winston Peter's on four no change, and David
Sema on four down one quarter past six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather Dup
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Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
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the job market has taken a big hit over the
past three months. West Pax Employment Confidence Survey dropped thirteen
points overall. Informatics principal economist Brad Olson is with us

(01:15:27):
on this evening to your Brad good evening, What does
this actually measure? Is this measuring people in work worried
about staying in work or changing jobs? Or does it mensure?
Does it? Does it measure people trying to find work?

Speaker 18 (01:15:39):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:15:39):
Sort of measures a range of people. I mean parts
of what you've just outlined is and there in terms
of sort of what people have work and you know,
also what they're thinking about for the future, sort of
goes through it surveyed a bunch of people because I
think this is probably the important thing. It gives us
an idea once you break it down in terms of
current job opportunities, so sort of you know what a

(01:15:59):
feel like there are at the moment when they've been
going around either because looking for work, because they don't
have a job, or because they've got a job. You know,
they're casting around for other opportunities, but also things like
expected job opportunity, So you know, what are they hearing
and seeing out there when they're talking to recruiters. Is
it looking up or down? What is earnings? And what's
your own job security? And that's actually a bit of

(01:16:19):
a big one as well. That has turned negative. It
was positive last quarterback at the start of this year,
it was slightly positive. It's now negative, which suggests that
more people than not going, actually I'm worried that I'm
going to lose a job. You know, I'm not sort
of confident I'm still going to have that pay. So
all of those numbers continuing to decline that you know,

(01:16:39):
I think they've said it's the worse since twenty twenty,
but if you go back even further than that, and
probably a better comparison, because it looks like it's about
on par it's not slightly worse than the worst part
of the sort offc place. So we are seeing people
that are increasingly going, look, it's difficult to find a job.
I'm not confident I will keep my current job. That's
a bad sign for the lab market.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Clearly, Hell, Brad, do we explain the fact that in
the private sector, it took a bigger knock for confidence
than it did in the public sector. When the public
sector is losing all of these jobs.

Speaker 23 (01:17:11):
Well, you've got a wonder if part of that is
because the parting sector probably knew of those challenges a
lot earlier. So, I mean, if you look at some
of those sort of figures that have come through, it
possibly suggests there was a bit of preemption from the
public sector sort of workers going look, we sort of
we could see this coming from a little bit of
a mile away. It's also though, being seen in job

(01:17:33):
add numbers that have been published over the last week
or so from the likes to Seat, you know, those
employment figures and expectations around job numbers continue to be worse.
It was interesting. I've been out and presenting in Potty
to do it today, talking to their business months and then,
you know, the biggest question there was all around the
public service cuts that have come through, and I think
the challenge is that they still haven't actually fully hit

(01:17:54):
yet they you know, there's still those restructurings that are
going on, and it probably won't be until September, maybe
the end of this year before we've got a full
and final picture of what that looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Brad. It's so good to talk to you, mate, Thank
you very much appreciated. As Brad Olson Informetric's principal economists,
hither what happened to all the money from the silver
Lake deal? Grant, that's what they're using right now, I
would imagine to deal with the losses, right So when
you have a loss, you just dip into the old
bank account. And what's in the bank account the money
from the silver Lake deal. Now, it seems CNN's a
little bit touchy, isn't it about accusations of bias, because

(01:18:26):
they cut off a live interview with Donald Trump's spokesperson
after she had a crack at their debate moderator. So,
Caroline Leave, it is the press sect for Donald Trump
at the moment, and she was on with Casey Hunt,
who's the presenter of CNN this morning, and they were
talking about the upcoming Trump v. Biden debate which is
being moderated by Jake Tapper and Dana Brash. And she
called in to question their bias and woof presenter did

(01:18:47):
not like it.

Speaker 21 (01:18:49):
What do you expect from Joe Biden?

Speaker 14 (01:18:52):
Well, first of all, it's to it takes someone five
minutes to google Jake Tapper Donald Trump to see that
Jake Tapper has can stuff present.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
If you're going to present my colleagelf.

Speaker 21 (01:19:01):
Heilter, ma'am, I'm going to style if you've seed him
to attack my colleagues.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
I would like to talk about your seat and Donald.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Trump, who you work for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in
the past.

Speaker 12 (01:19:13):
Now I'm sorry, we're going to convictation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Caroline.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Thank you very much for your time, and with that
they cut her off. Touchy much. Six twenty two, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Have a rural report on the heather Duper Slum Drive
with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Listen, we're going to talk about the Warehouse Group in
about fifteen minutes, because the Warehouse Group, as you know,
has been doing very very badly, just shares of falling,
selling businesses, giving businesses away. They're just they're just a shocker.
And yet it turns out that if you have a
look at the retail c suite, former chief executive Nick
Grayson was paid more than any of his retail counterparts

(01:19:51):
in last year's financial year earning a total of two
point eight million dollars completely unjustified, so bad he had
to go. So we'll have a chat to the shareholders
Association about that because they not stoked as you could imagine,
they'll be with us shortly six twenty five now, struggling
dairy company Sinlay has asked the shareholders to vote in
favor of a one hundred and thirty million dollar loan
from its biggest shareholder, which is Chinese Bright Dairy. Sinlay

(01:20:12):
says without the loan, it will need to cease trading
or it will need to initiate insolvency procedure proceedings in Ruwenda.
Duncan from the country is filling in for Jamie mackay
with us. Now, hey, roe, hey, he sounds like a
really serious situation. What alternatives do they have?

Speaker 24 (01:20:25):
Yeah, well, not many. So it's been brewing for a
week while. So back in April Sinlay announced there that
they had made a ninety six million dollar first half loss.
Now this was compared to an eight point four million
dollar profit twelve months ago. So that was for the
six months that ended in January. So that was when
they won that extension because the one hundred and thirty

(01:20:47):
million dollar debt repayment was due at that time, so
they extended it through until the fifteenth of July. Now,
between now and then, they announced their upcoming forecast for
the current season and they matched it to Fonterra, so
basically sitting on an eight dollar payout. Remember King's Birthday. Monday,
they made an announcement on the Australian Stock Exchange because

(01:21:09):
obviously the New Zealand market was closed for the public holiday,
and that's when they explained that their financial woes had worsened.
More than half of their suppliers had indicated they wanted
to leave sin Lays. Of course that was when they said, right,
I want to stop supplying my milk, they have to
wait two years, so there's like a two year holding
period before they can do that. And then, of course

(01:21:31):
Bright Dairy is one of its largest shareholders. There's an
associated company from Bright Dairy have put forward this one
hundred and thirty million dollar lifeline, so this debt has
to be paid on the fifteenth of July, so shareholders
will now vote for it. It is special general meeting
which has been sharedulled four days before the loads due

(01:21:51):
on July eleven. Look, they've had their dairy works up
for sale, they haven't had any buyers of that. Their
share prices sunt seventy one cent in the last twelve month.
This is probably as dire as it's going to get
here that Obviously, they've had changes at the top as well,
with a new chair coming on board this year. It's
just it's a real challenging time for them. And yeah,

(01:22:13):
I know a lot of sin They suppliers are very
worried about what labor hit.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah too, right, Rod, thank you for filling us and
really appreciate a Rowena Duncan, who is from the country.
Sounds like it comes down to a two and whether
a two goes ahead it is a very influential shareholder.
Whether it goes ahead with it is the question here.
The no one understands Mark Robinson speak. That translates to
no one understands the rules of rugby anymore, and that's
why it's a dying game. Look, I have no idea
what Mark was trying to say, did you. What I

(01:22:38):
basically got is you can't change the revenue. The revenue
is the revenue. The only thing that you can change
is the expenditure, right, and the largest problem that the
biggest expenditure they've got is fixed salaries. So if they're
talking to everybody else about how to deal with that,
then are they asking the others to share the cost
of paying the players? It seems like maybe was he
trying to say that. Let's just say he was trying

(01:23:00):
to say that headline's next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
The thing that I've got You're gonna check in with
Gavin Gray and the UK on how Princess Anna is doing.
She must be. She's had her first night in hospital,
hasn't she all second night? I don't even know, So

(01:23:39):
we'll get back to even just like that level of
detail from him when we talked to him shortly hither.
What Mark Robinson isn't saying is that provincial rugby needs
to go amateur. So no salaried players at PU level.
Now that's fine, that's absolutely fine, but it doesn't change
what you're paying them. Right, You're still paying the salaried
players and this is the problem. They pay them so
much money. They just it's under justified for how much

(01:24:01):
rugby the eyeballs they're getting so because they have to
compare it competing against Japan and Europe, bla blah blast.
So what do you do about that? If you take
them out of the pu sorry, out of the provincial level,
doesn't really change their income, does It doesn't really solve
that situation. If anything, just makes the provincial level a
bit more distinct. But anyway, hopefully as time goes by
and they're makes some decisions, you'll be able to reflect
on that for us and actually tell us what's up. Now,

(01:24:21):
get a load of this, Okay. Tasmania's Museum of Old
and New Art MONA has had like quite an unnecessary
brew haha about ladies toilets. What they've done is they've
gone and they've hung a couple of Picassos in a
lady's toilet cubicle. Like literally, you go in, there's the toilet,
you shut the door, there's the Picasso inside the toilet
with you. And they've done this after they've lost a

(01:24:43):
court battle. So what happened is that they had a
Picasso exhibition and they hung sum of the art in
what they called the museum's lady lounge lady's lounge, and
men were not allowed into the lady's lounge, and this
was quite deliberate. They did it because the curator of
the exhibition wanted to include as part of the experience
of the exhibition excluding men, like they wanted to pamper
the ladies. The ladies walked into the Ladies' Lounge were

(01:25:05):
male butlers and all kinds of like fun things. It
was supposed to like flip the rolls like as in
ladies can experience what it was like to be a
dude two hundred years ago or whatever. Anyway, a guy
wanted to see the art and he was denied entry
into the ladies Lounge last year, and he kicked up
a fuss and he took it to court and then
the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal found it discriminatory. And
they only just found it discriminatory a few months ago.

(01:25:26):
It was April, and in April they ordered the museum
to stop refusing entry to men, and they had four
weeks to comply, so that takes us into May. Instead
of complying, Mona just closed the entire exhibition, and they've
finally come up with a way to get around it,
which is now they've hung a couple of the paintings
in the toilet because this is now undeniably a lady space.
But but, but previously all the toilets were uni sex,

(01:25:50):
so they have now declared some toilets to be lady toilets,
just to be absolute pratts about it. I mean, really
wanting to make a point, aren't they really? Twenty one
away from.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Seven Heather duper c Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
There are concerns that the warehouse is paying its executives
too much given how poorly the company's been performing. Despite
the warehouse's shares falling to a record low of ninety
seven cents on Monday, former chief executive Nick Grayson was
paid a total of just under two point eight million
dollars in twenty twenty three, which is more than any
of his other counterparts in retail. Oliver Amander is the
CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders Association with US. Now, hey, Oliver,

(01:26:27):
how are you very well?

Speaker 13 (01:26:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Is this an historic problem where they signed him on
a really awesome deal when the company was doing well,
and then the company started doing poorly and he was
still unfortunately on an awesome deal.

Speaker 14 (01:26:37):
Well, there's probably a bit of that, but actually what
it does relate to in that figure you've mentioned of
two point out million, some of that big chunk of
that relates to incentives. And of course incentives are fine
from a shareholder's perspective when the company is doing well,
and when the company is not doing quite so well,
obviously then at incentive probably doesn't apply. And the reason

(01:26:58):
he got paid an incentive of one point one million,
that's not a short term incentive actually f I twenty three,
so last financial year he got no short term incentives
at all for his performance at the warehouse, and he
did he got his base salary of one point seven million. However,
the incentive that was paid related to long term incentive

(01:27:18):
awards that made back in twenty twenty. And guess what,
back in twenty twenty, the warehouse was actually doing pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
So does this say to you that the incentives that
maybe the level was set too low as well, level
was set too like it was too easy to strike it.

Speaker 14 (01:27:34):
Yeah, and look possibly, and that's something we got a
little bit more digging into in terms of the vesting
conditions associated with Normally, when you're awarded an incentive and
shares performance rights, then the vesting condition that goes that
that vesting condition relates to share price performance. Often as
NAT and certainly I think the warehouse does have a
condition that relates that incentive that you actually get paid

(01:27:56):
in the end related very much to the share price
performance and how it's gone its peers. So yes, look
last year that the incentive we received was mostly that
long term incentive, probably from the previous historic thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Do you think, though, now that the company is doing
so poorly, do you think it's going to be different
for his replacement. I mean, whoever takes over from him
is probably not going to get the same kind of
pay right.

Speaker 14 (01:28:19):
Well, not in the short term. I actually think that
if the company, the company needs to be turned around,
that will take a lot of work. They need a
very good leader to come in there and actually to
have some milestones in place that really reset companies change
back to being a profitable and high performing sty So
arguably and to still has still a very big organization.

(01:28:40):
It still has eleven thousand staff, got stores all across
New Zealand. It's it's still it has a huge share
of retail wallet, if you will, in a really tough
economic environment right now. So the base salary is meant
to reflect that, and the base salary that is higher
than his peers or the CEO's peers. Sorry at excoes
and MD what cat Mandu brands, but that's probably appropriate.

(01:29:04):
What would really interesting there will be the inrastructure that
they put in place, because actually you do want in
center structure and reflects long term gains for shareholders, so
that long term performance off the warehouse, and also they
reflect some of those short term or more short term
transformational whilst don't really needed to turn the company around.
So actually no, I don't know if you'll see much

(01:29:27):
change in terms of the remuneration structure or potential outcome.
What it does mean is that if the CEO or
the incoming CEO is successful in transforming the warehouse and
making share price go up again, you'll probably be calling
me in three years time saying, hey, the CEO has
got paid an awful this year and that's that's that
will probably be right because those shares, if there's if

(01:29:49):
that's succeeded, they will see an increase in value in
the shares and therefore their own remuneration.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
That's okay, yep, absolutely if they deserve it, No one's
going to complain about it, hopefully, Oliver, thank you so
much your time. As always, it's Olive Amanda, Chief executive
of the Shareholders Association. Heather. Surely those art loving men
could simply identify as a woman, Paul fairpoint. I mean
that's the one little wrinkle that you couldn't do two
hundred what didn't really do two hundred years ago, But
nowadays you can pull that little stunt. You'll be absolutely
fine now who it is getting tense at Wellington City

(01:30:17):
councilor ahead of that big vote on Thursday, they've been
sending each other nasty little emails over the sale of
the airport's shares, which is part of the big vote
on Thursday. It started. I mean, these people know how
to draw something out. Emailing started on Friday. So on
Friday in one email, Councilor Ray Chung email's counselor John Apanowitch,
who's a charted accountant in his day job, and Ray

(01:30:39):
says to John, are all being counters as stoppy as you?
And then he strikes again. He emails one of the
local EWI representatives on the council, which honestly I didn't
even know that they had. But there we go. They've
got EWEI representatives on the councilors Wellington after all, Holden
or Hia and Ray says to Holden, thank goodness you're
ineligible to vote. Then Holden, I consider this long term

(01:30:59):
planned to be the high of your responsibility for the
majority of Wellingtonia's I tell you there's one thing you
can say about Ray. Conviction doesn't mind telling you how
he thinks. Then the other EWE Rep. Liz Kelly, emails
them all. Be careful what you wish for. If a
commissioner comes in goodbye to democracy, ask those in Totong
how that went and continues today. May I'll tell you something, Liz,

(01:31:19):
it will be an improvement on you lot. Then yesterday
the mayor starts emailing, right, because it's been going on.
By the sounds, it's like Friday to Monday. So then
then Tory gets involved. She's probably been a while over
the weekend doing god knows what. Oh this right, she
had COVID, she had the RONA. So she starts emailing
asking that counselor's respect staff in each other and blah
blah blah whatever. And then she says, wild discussions will

(01:31:41):
be happening about how we manage committee and council this week.
The vote on Thursday is intended as a rubber stamping exercise. Wow,
the ramifications of that, first of all, raise upset again.
What a croc. He says, any responsible counselor should understand
that this statement is further from the truth that we
had hoped that the mayor would understand that, but obviously not.
And Ray is right because enter Dean Knight, a university

(01:32:04):
expert in publican government law, who says that rubber stamp comment, Yeah,
that's unfortunate and legally risky because actually it's not a
rubber stamping exercise. A long term plan could only be
adopted by a full council. And then he says, it's
a pretty basic principle that decision makers must properly exercise
their decision making power with an open mind and not

(01:32:25):
surrender the decision to others by merely rubber stamping their recommendations. Therefore,
Tory strikes again. And now this possibility for legal action
because you called it a rubber stamping exercise. And it's
not what it is. It's actually democracy and more important anyhow,
I tell you what this is. Just this is like
a teaser, isn't it like a trailer for Thursday? I
cannot wait for Thursday? What an absolute cluster. Just a

(01:32:47):
reminder if Wellington City Council does not pass its own
long term plan, which it has written itself. If it
doesn't pass its own long term plan, they may get
some commissioners properly need faulting away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
In the Brady are UK correspondents with US now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Evening, Inda, Hey Hea, They're great to speak to you, Amena.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
You guys happy to see the back of Julian Losange.

Speaker 20 (01:33:19):
I think you can probably hear Champagne corks popping everywhere
in London, from the Judiciary to the Metropolitan Police, to
Downing Street to the Ecuadorian embassy. It's been a long
time coming. He's a free man and he is out
of the UK already. I'm hearing he's left on a
flight from Stansted Airport, so he is gone, so sixty
two months he was behind bars, and basically what the

(01:33:42):
Americans are going to do when he lands in Saipan,
which is kind of the nearest American controlled territory to Australia.
That's why they've gone over that way to the Pacific,
he'll be sentenced to precisely sixty two months in prison,
which he has already served, and then he can head
on to Australia. But behind him in the UK he
leaves quite quite a mountain of cost. Really, I think,

(01:34:04):
looking at it from a British taxpayer's point of view,
the policing operation outside that Ecuadorian embassy every day spanned
two touching forty million enz dollars. So it has been
a costly stay in the UK for the British taxpayer.
I'm not sure to him, and good luck to him,
but I'm not sure many people here will weep his departure.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
No too right, how's Princess Enne doing good?

Speaker 20 (01:34:26):
We're told she's in good spirits. So an accident with
a horse. We don't know whether the horse just kind
of booked its head while she was patting it, or
whether a horse is run into her. Very little more
detail on us, but she was walking and she's been
in some sort of collision with a horse. Now she
absolutely loves horses. We're told she'd concussion and very light

(01:34:46):
injuries and then was rushed off to the hospital in Bristol,
which where she still is now. A couple of impacts
on the royal diary. She was meant to be heading
to Canada next week for a state visit that's obviously
going to either be canceled or her tail. And then
there was meant to be a dinner this week a
state banquet with the Emperor of Japan who is visiting.
She won't be attending that. And Charles is sending her

(01:35:09):
all his fondness and love. That was what he put
in the statement.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
And so what is she has? She spent now one
or two nights in hospital.

Speaker 20 (01:35:16):
One last night would have been her second night, so
that's two full nights in hospital. I think she'd be
out Friday. My reading of it is she'll be out
by Friday. Look, I've met her a few times over
the years. She is, trust me, a no nonsense woman.
She gets the job done, and I think she's been
the quiet hero of the windsor Households and the House
of Windsor the last couple of years, because obviously Charles

(01:35:40):
has been ill, case is ill, the whole Andrews situation
where he can't be seen in public. And Anne has
kept going, kept working. And if you look every year
who does the most work, it's always Anne. The most attendance,
is the most public appearances, the most charitable work year
on year for fifty odd years, it's always been Anne.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
So the Scots apparently were the best ones the base
behave will they yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:36:05):
At the Euro So Germany still celebrating this wonderful festival
of soccer that they have Euro twenty twenty four. The
Scots are out. So the team on the field couldn't click,
they weren't good enough, but they qualified and that's a
great achievement. And I'm very envious of them as an
Ireland fan because we didn't manage that. But the praise
is coming from on high from the Germans for the

(01:36:27):
Scottish fans and their behavior over the last couple of weeks.
Would you believe it, two hundred thousand Scots went to
Germany on holidays for a fortnight. That's four percent of
the entire Scottish population upsticks and got to Germany. And
I was with my daughter at Heather Airport a few
weeks ago we were flying to Ireland and the airport

(01:36:49):
was just a wash with Tartan kilt's you name at
bagpipes all heading off to Germany. Two hundred thousand Scottish
men and women went to Germany and the head of
the German police praising them for their color, their charisma
and the fun they brought to the festival. So the
tournament continues, but they will miss the Scots because there's

(01:37:09):
nothing like a man in the skirt.

Speaker 8 (01:37:11):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
I absolutely love it. I'd love it and I'm not
gonna lie. Thank you so much. Into Brady, UK correspondent
seven Away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
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and getting the results.

Speaker 4 (01:37:32):
It's Heather Duplicy Allen with the Business.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Hour thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME
on News talks ITB.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Yeahther if I was Julian Assange, I wouldn't eat or
drink anything while I was in Saipan, because the CIA
might be catering Steve, you think much like I do. Hey, listen,
I'm going to tell you something about ear tags, right,
which is a little bit grim.

Speaker 13 (01:37:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
These are these little innocuous devices, like any normal person
like ourselves might chuck them in the bag so that
if you go traveling you can just see where the
bag is, you know, and if it gets lost, you
know where the bag is. Blah blah, like we'd use
it for something. Decent. Stalkers use them, like really really
use them. Over in Assie, the New South Wales Crime
Commission analyzed that kind of realized something was up, so

(01:38:15):
they analyzed five six hundred and sixty three purchases of
tracking devices like air air tags and GPS trackers and
stuff like that. They found one in four buyers had
a history of domestic violence, fifteen percent buyers had a
history in serious organized crime, and one hundred and twenty
six buyers was subject to apprehended violence orders at the

(01:38:37):
time of purchase, which suggests there are a lot of
bad people buying the air tag. So anyway, if I
see you buying an air tag, I'm gonna think you're
a bad person, so just be careful and.

Speaker 25 (01:38:47):
Something in the Orange by Zach Bryan to play us
out tonight. Zach Bryan, the country singer. He's got an
album coming out on July fourth. This is quite a
fun idea in how to promote it. So the album's
not out till July fourth, but as of a couple
of days ago, twenty three different across the US and
Canada have all been given some material from the album
each and they can play it in their bar, but
only in their bars. So people who want like a

(01:39:08):
sneak peek of some of the songs if they can
physically get to these bars.

Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
And he said where the bars are?

Speaker 25 (01:39:12):
Yeah, he said exactly which bars? And he said he's
even going to pop into a couple of them. He's
not going to play a show, apparently that's too logistically difficult,
but he's just going to pop in for like listening
parties and stuff with some people.

Speaker 19 (01:39:22):
Cool.

Speaker 25 (01:39:22):
Yeah, Well, the album is called the Great American Bar Scene,
so I suppose it's on form as well. But unfortunately
for us, unless you want to fly over to the
US and lose your bag and they worry a but
you don't have an air tag in it because you
don't want to be a stalker. Then I will just
have to wait till July fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
No more air tags for anybody enjoyers. We'll see you tomorrow.
You still zed beat?

Speaker 8 (01:39:39):
If you leave today, I'll just stare out the way
your orange touches all things around, grass trees, and do
how hard you please turn hair light around? Please turne
not hair light around.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
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