July 1, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Trish Sherson from Sherson PR and Auckland councillor Richard Hills joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Joe Biden delivered a shaky performance during last week's debate with Donald Trump - what can the Democratic Party do now? Is it time to bring in a replacement?
The Government unveiled their Q3 to-do list, primarily focused on law and order. Is this the right way to unveil new policies?
Kāinga Ora's CEO has confirmed he plans to step down - what do we think of this? Is this the right move?
GPs have slammed the Government's 'inadequate' funding proposal - what can be done to address this? Does more money need to be directed towards the health system?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm huddle with me.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
This even got Trish Shurson, Sheherson willis pr and Richard
Hill's Auckland councilor.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello you too, Cureder.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What do we Trish do about Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Well, it's up to Joe Biden. That's the Democrats problem,
isn't it. He has to make the call about giving
up his run for president, and from all accounts, he
is very stubborn and it's unlikely that he will do
that easily. We sat around on Saturday with a group
of people watching the debate, and I have to say
(00:37):
as a debate went on, the group got quieter and quieter,
and I think for two reasons. One is that it's
not just worrying for the United States that there is
such an unedifying race for president between a confused octagenarian
versus a liar and a convicted felon, but also what
(00:58):
that means for the world. And there was a great
line in that debate actually that not only are the
US's allies, but the enemies are watching that debate. Ye,
and you would have to say that the US is
in a very difficult place. I think Democrats after the debate,
they're now breaking the emergency glass and seeing, you know,
(01:19):
is there any way that they can get another candidate up.
But you know, if you think you had, you had
Donald Trump in that debate saying that the world is
closer to World War three than anyone knows. I mean,
it's just so frightening.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And true, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Richard, Do you think Biden can win?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh? I don't know. I didn't watch the debate because
I knew it was going to be terrible. It's getting
to the point where it's going to be weekend at
Bernie's for the next debate, and they just roll him in,
you know, like it is really terrible dead body. Yeah,
well it's like not hopefully not dead, but you know,
it did feel like people are having to, you know,
take him off the stage, bring him on, and you
(01:59):
could tell he couldn't cope with what was going on.
And that is he's got the last four years if
he does win, and he's got to be making the
most important significant decisions for the country. And you've got,
as Trish says, someone that is absolutely deranged. On the
other side who is dangerous. So I mean, if you're
just heard someone say, oh, if they're electing an administration,
(02:19):
like the people around Joe will do and that's correct,
that it will be at least a coherent group of
people around him. But that's not what you're actually electing.
You're electing a resident. And it is scary, it is sad,
and it is worrying. You know. Yes, there was the
speech the next day that I was like, oh, there
he goes again. But if someone cannot string a sentence
together or really know what he's talking about on the
(02:41):
first debate at the beginning of a campaign, which is
going to be really tiring next to someone who's just
lies and yeah, I'm worried for America and and us again,
Like it's just exhausting the last ten years watching.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Do you think trist that he can win.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I don't think he can. I mean, the biggest issue
that Democratic voters have had with Biden is his age.
That's really his itchilles here. And also voters who have
left Trump, particularly women voters who have left Trump over
the over the abortion laws and the overturning of roe
(03:17):
versus Wade, they are very worried about Biden's age, and
I just don't think it's something that he can overcome.
The debate was disastrous for that. But the other issue
that it really shows up in US politics is it
has turned into a gerontocracy. If you think about the
number of quite elderly senior politicians, not just you know,
(03:40):
in the presidential race, but at the upper echelons. For
a country that should be sort of young and fresh
and energetic, their politics tells a totally different story.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah too, right, three hundred and twenty million people and
they've got those two candidates. It's pretty sad.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It is quite bizarre, isn't it. Have you had a
look at the government's forty forty point plan for the next.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Quarter, Yes, what's your favorite one? I think the twenty
that start with or take something to cabinet, Yeah, I
mean some of the cabinet decisions. Take cabinet decisions, yes,
I mean, will they start saying, you know, we will,
we will make sure we turn up. I mean, I
get it. It's kind of good to have a plan,
but all government should. It is a bit like listing
(04:24):
things that, yes, you should be doing these things. Take
a thing to cabinet. I think the worst. Oh, I
can't find it. One of it was so like, introduce
a business case to get the business.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You have a look for that. Trish Well, I sort
of feel like the novelty. I mean, I think it's
a great strategy, but the novelty is wearing off a
weebit isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It might do.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I mean I think again that the you know, this
is just my guess, but it feels like one of
the drivers of this government doing it is because it's
a it's a great juxtaposition against the last segment, which
there wasn't a plan, there weren't any measures, and they
just seem to muddle through and come up up with
random press releases and headlines all the time. And probably
(05:07):
for someone like Lux and you know, there's that great
old rule in business, if you don't measure it, you
can't manage it. And despite you know, what you might
say about the merit of what's in the list. This
also gives them a roadmap for their comms for each quarter,
so that they can have real clarity and each of
those see here those focus for the key cabinet ministers,
(05:29):
and again it keeps those key cabinet ministers on their
toes because even saying I've got it, you know, taking
these papers to cabinet, well, that means the ministers responsible
have to get their stuff together. They get those papers
into cabinet and keep progress moving.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, did you find it, Richard? Yeah, it was take
cabinet decisions on the program business case, including costs benefit
analysis for a proposed third medical school at Wycott or unicorns.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Which doesn't mean we're going to get the finals, but
we're going to take some decisions. But that's all right,
the decisions at the stage where it will come back
to these two.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on paralleled
reach and results.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Back on the Huddle with Me got Tresherson and Richard
Hill's Richard, sounds like Andrew McKenzie was told to quit,
willn't he?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, it does sound like from that interview. I mean
he's been there over eight years. It's a pretty long
time for CEO, and if they are doing wholesale change,
it's pretty hard to keep someone at the top to
do the same job.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, and it was necessary, wasn't a trish because this
place has just got such a bad reputation. They needed
to complete clean Now.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I agree, and you know, smart move by the government
putting in Simon Motor. He's a class act and this
is his first sort of public service role. I think
he will do it very well. But you know, as
I've read today, I understand it, you know, because of
the wholesale changes at crying order to try and get
it under control, his role had been completely changed from
(06:57):
what he signed up to. So I think it, you know,
it was probably inevitable.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, listen, what do we do about the GPS. There
isn't enough money Richard to actually fund them through Health
New Zealand. Health New Zealand hasn't got enough money. So
if we want to save these things, the only way
I can see that we can do that is if
they charge us more. Would you be okay with that?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, that's the whole thing, and that's the vibe with
tax cuts again, like fifteen billion dollars for tax cuts,
but prescriptions have gone up, everything's going to go up
this I think the proposal is that for GPS to
get more, they have to charge customers about I mean
patients another seven or eight percent extra. So it's just
that twenty dollars you've got in your pockets just coming
back in another way. And every government does it. They'll
(07:37):
label now complain about them not paying GPS enough. You
remember National last term were saying these that same thing.
They just do it the same that underfunding health. All
governments keep underfunding health and it is not a good
long term outcompany, not at all.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What's the solution, treasure, But we can't get these people
have been complaining about it for six or seven years.
They obviously need money.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, well, I mean I would urge this government and
as rich as every government, to really prioritize GPS. Don't
forget this kind of primary healthcare, particularly in rural communities,
is really the barrier that protects the whole health system
from collapsing. And in fact, right now we've got people
(08:16):
in small rural communities that I know of, they are
waiting up to eight weeks to get a GP appointment.
So imagine what that does for a kid with recurring
tonsilitis in the winter, a person who maybe not diagnosed
for cancer, or an elderly person with a heart condition
who goes eight weeks before they even get to see
the GP. It's just dangerous.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, totally what.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We're you going to say no. It's the same thing.
We'll end up having to helicopter that person out when
they get to the keep stage.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
If you don't put the money in front, you have
to pay heaps more towards the end, right, and they're dying. Yeah, guys,
thank you so much, really good points. I really appreciate it. It's
Tris Sherson of Sheerson Willis PR and Richard Hill's Auckland counselor.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm huddle with me.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
This even got Trish Shurson, Sheherson willis pr and Richard
Hill's Auckland councilor.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hello you too, Cureder.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Hello.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
What do we Trish do about Joe Biden.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Well, it's up to Joe Biden. That's the Democrats problem,
isn't it. He has to make the call about giving
up his run for president, and from all accounts, he
is very stubborn and it's unlikely that he will do
that easily. We sat around on Saturday with a group
of people watching the debate, and I have to say
(00:37):
as a debate went on, the group got quieter and quieter,
and I think for two reasons. One is that it's
not just worrying for the United States that there is
such an unedifying race for president between a confused octagenarian
versus a liar and a convicted felon, but also what
(00:58):
that means for the world. And there was a great
line in that debate actually that not only are the
US's allies, but the enemies are watching that debate. Ye,
and you would have to say that the US is
in a very difficult place. I think Democrats after the debate,
they're now breaking the emergency glass and seeing, you know,
(01:19):
is there any way that they can get another candidate up.
But you know, if you think you had, you had
Donald Trump in that debate saying that the world is
closer to World War three than anyone knows. I mean,
it's just so frightening.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
And true, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Richard, Do you think Biden can win?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Oh? I don't know. I didn't watch the debate because
I knew it was going to be terrible. It's getting
to the point where it's going to be weekend at
Bernie's for the next debate, and they just roll him in,
you know, like it is really terrible dead body. Yeah,
well it's like not hopefully not dead, but you know,
it did feel like people are having to, you know,
take him off the stage, bring him on, and you
(01:59):
could tell he couldn't cope with what was going on.
And that is he's got the last four years if
he does win, and he's got to be making the
most important significant decisions for the country. And you've got,
as Trish says, someone that is absolutely deranged. On the
other side who is dangerous. So I mean, if you're
just heard someone say, oh, if they're electing an administration,
(02:19):
like the people around Joe will do and that's correct,
that it will be at least a coherent group of
people around him. But that's not what you're actually electing.
You're electing a resident. And it is scary, it is sad,
and it is worrying. You know. Yes, there was the
speech the next day that I was like, oh, there
he goes again. But if someone cannot string a sentence
together or really know what he's talking about on the
(02:41):
first debate at the beginning of a campaign, which is
going to be really tiring next to someone who's just
lies and yeah, I'm worried for America and and us again,
Like it's just exhausting the last ten years watching.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Do you think trist that he can win.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I don't think he can. I mean, the biggest issue
that Democratic voters have had with Biden is his age.
That's really his itchilles here. And also voters who have
left Trump, particularly women voters who have left Trump over
the over the abortion laws and the overturning of roe
(03:17):
versus Wade, they are very worried about Biden's age, and
I just don't think it's something that he can overcome.
The debate was disastrous for that. But the other issue
that it really shows up in US politics is it
has turned into a gerontocracy. If you think about the
number of quite elderly senior politicians, not just you know,
(03:40):
in the presidential race, but at the upper echelons. For
a country that should be sort of young and fresh
and energetic, their politics tells a totally different story.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah too, right, three hundred and twenty million people and
they've got those two candidates. It's pretty sad.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
It is quite bizarre, isn't it. Have you had a
look at the government's forty forty point plan for the next.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Quarter, Yes, what's your favorite one? I think the twenty
that start with or take something to cabinet, Yeah, I
mean some of the cabinet decisions. Take cabinet decisions, yes,
I mean, will they start saying, you know, we will,
we will make sure we turn up. I mean, I
get it. It's kind of good to have a plan,
but all government should. It is a bit like listing
(04:24):
things that, yes, you should be doing these things. Take
a thing to cabinet. I think the worst. Oh, I
can't find it. One of it was so like, introduce
a business case to get the business.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You have a look for that. Trish Well, I sort
of feel like the novelty. I mean, I think it's
a great strategy, but the novelty is wearing off a
weebit isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
It might do.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I mean I think again that the you know, this
is just my guess, but it feels like one of
the drivers of this government doing it is because it's
a it's a great juxtaposition against the last segment, which
there wasn't a plan, there weren't any measures, and they
just seem to muddle through and come up up with
random press releases and headlines all the time. And probably
(05:07):
for someone like Lux and you know, there's that great
old rule in business, if you don't measure it, you
can't manage it. And despite you know, what you might
say about the merit of what's in the list. This
also gives them a roadmap for their comms for each quarter,
so that they can have real clarity and each of
those see here those focus for the key cabinet ministers,
(05:29):
and again it keeps those key cabinet ministers on their
toes because even saying I've got it, you know, taking
these papers to cabinet, well, that means the ministers responsible
have to get their stuff together. They get those papers
into cabinet and keep progress moving.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yes, did you find it, Richard? Yeah, it was take
cabinet decisions on the program business case, including costs benefit
analysis for a proposed third medical school at Wycott or unicorns.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Which doesn't mean we're going to get the finals, but
we're going to take some decisions. But that's all right,
the decisions at the stage where it will come back
to these two.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on paralleled
reach and results.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Back on the Huddle with Me got Tresherson and Richard
Hill's Richard, sounds like Andrew McKenzie was told to quit,
willn't he?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, it does sound like from that interview. I mean
he's been there over eight years. It's a pretty long
time for CEO, and if they are doing wholesale change,
it's pretty hard to keep someone at the top to
do the same job.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, and it was necessary, wasn't a trish because this
place has just got such a bad reputation. They needed
to complete clean Now.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I agree, and you know, smart move by the government
putting in Simon Motor. He's a class act and this
is his first sort of public service role. I think
he will do it very well. But you know, as
I've read today, I understand it, you know, because of
the wholesale changes at crying order to try and get
it under control, his role had been completely changed from
(06:57):
what he signed up to. So I think it, you know,
it was probably inevitable.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, listen, what do we do about the GPS. There
isn't enough money Richard to actually fund them through Health
New Zealand. Health New Zealand hasn't got enough money. So
if we want to save these things, the only way
I can see that we can do that is if
they charge us more. Would you be okay with that?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Well, that's the whole thing, and that's the vibe with
tax cuts again, like fifteen billion dollars for tax cuts,
but prescriptions have gone up, everything's going to go up
this I think the proposal is that for GPS to
get more, they have to charge customers about I mean
patients another seven or eight percent extra. So it's just
that twenty dollars you've got in your pockets just coming
back in another way. And every government does it. They'll
(07:37):
label now complain about them not paying GPS enough. You
remember National last term were saying these that same thing.
They just do it the same that underfunding health. All
governments keep underfunding health and it is not a good
long term outcompany, not at all.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What's the solution, treasure, But we can't get these people
have been complaining about it for six or seven years.
They obviously need money.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah, well, I mean I would urge this government and
as rich as every government, to really prioritize GPS. Don't
forget this kind of primary healthcare, particularly in rural communities,
is really the barrier that protects the whole health system
from collapsing. And in fact, right now we've got people
(08:16):
in small rural communities that I know of, they are
waiting up to eight weeks to get a GP appointment.
So imagine what that does for a kid with recurring
tonsilitis in the winter, a person who maybe not diagnosed
for cancer, or an elderly person with a heart condition
who goes eight weeks before they even get to see
the GP. It's just dangerous.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, totally what.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
We're you going to say no. It's the same thing.
We'll end up having to helicopter that person out when
they get to the keep stage.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
If you don't put the money in front, you have
to pay heaps more towards the end, right, and they're dying. Yeah, guys,
thank you so much, really good points. I really appreciate it. It's
Tris Sherson of Sheerson Willis PR and Richard Hill's Auckland counselor.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
For more from Heather duplessy Ellen Drive, listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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