July 2, 2024 • 7 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Government has introduced a new bill to require social media giants to pay to use New Zealand news content. Is this good news for the media industry - or will it backfire?
The outgoing boss of Kāinga Ora has been given a $365,000 pay-out to leave. Was this the right move to oust the CEO of a struggling company?
UK Labour leader - and possible Prime Minister by the end of the week - Sir Keir Starmer has claimed he won't work past 6pm on Fridays in order to spend time with his family. What do we make of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing for
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hurdle with me this evening, Allie Jones read PR Tim
Wilson maximums. Shoot, how are you too good?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
A we Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What do you make of the government's plan to save
the media?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I've been listening to
a bit about this today. I do wonder though, whether
what's happened overseas, because a lot of those media organizations
are big, the well resourced, I've got a lot of money,
whether they are stronger when it comes to bargaining with
the tech giants and getting those agreements together, and what
(00:38):
that's going to mean for some of our smaller media organizations.
I think it's positive. I think we have to do this.
We're way behind the rest of the world, and I
just do not understand David seem comments today about not
supporting the bill running. He sounds dangerously uninformed. I think,
but look, we've got to do it. But I do
worry about what power those media media organizations in New Zettoway.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It might come back to you on that, Tim, What
do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, look, I think it's well meaning I don't know
how successful it all successful it'll be. In Australia it's
been a bit of a mixed bag. It has favored
big entity smaller newsrooms have collapsed. Money has come in,
but then they've tried to renegotiate it. Essentially, that's the
news bug. I think it's the fair Bargaining Code. That's
what it's called. In Australia. It's produced mixed results. My
(01:29):
thing actually is the support for shortenand Street. So this
is a soap opera whose peak was in nineteen ninety
five is now being put on life support by the government.
That seems strange.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's to preserve the acting industry, I think, Allie, okay,
I want to come back to you on David Seymore's comments.
So David's point, judging by the statement that he's put out,
is that this has the potential to backfire massively in
the same way that it has in Canada. We've got
the small publishers who now that they don't have Facebook
caause Facebook's banned all news right in Canada, being the
dicks that they are, frankly, they've had a bit of
(02:00):
a pout band or news. Small publishers have a drop
off now of seventy five percent in the clicks that
they're getting. They are now not making money and shutting down.
That is the potential that we face. Is that not
something to be worried about.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Not having? It is something to be worried about. But
I mean, what I've heard Seemore talking about today is
just ridiculous stuff about, oh, this is not really how
people traditionally want the media to be now they don't
want the product one off or I don't think this
is going to work. I mean, I'm just hearing him
say stuff, but I haven't heard him talk about that specifically,
And of course that's got to be a concern. I
think we have to look at that and be very
(02:32):
cognizant of that. But I've been more concerned about some
of the other comments that Seymour said that just seemed
to be I don't know where he've.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Poked that interesting point, Tim, is that part of the problem.
Isn't that actually the stuff that's being served up by
the vast majority of the media in this country we
just don't want because it's boring.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I look, I think there's two issues here. There's a
journalism issue and a platform issue, And what's clear is
that platforms are eroding. Is journalism eroding? There's some argument
for that with a number of journals it's working declines.
But that stuff, I guess, those kinds of discussions about
who we are, our stories, et cetera, they're migrating to
other platforms. And so I'm just not sure whether you
(03:12):
can fix that by legislation. Just can we get back
to Shortland Street because like, that's twenty million, that's twenty
million years. Seriously, twenty million a year. If they put
the money, they take that money that they're going to
pour into Shortland Street, now, if they put it into
Hunts for the Wilder People, they would have got a
return of almost ten times that. So I'm I mean,
(03:34):
innovation happens when other things die. Yeah, I'm that's just
the story of it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Fair enough, fair enough, Ali, I want you to think
about whether it's worth saving Shorty Street to get your
take when we come back, news Dogs'd be right, you're
back with the huddle. Tim Wilson, maximum of the maximum, stude,
Allie Jones read pr right, Ali, what do you reckon?
Do we save Shorty Street?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm actually the enough bring that gloss fan clubs. So
that's my generation. Well, god, do think we shoul defined
by Shortland Street. I had a caught up with Justine Smith,
the wonderful comedian in towno's the weekend here in christ Church,
and one thing that I'm missing is good comedy, good
sketch comedy. That's what we need on Telly.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Let's do that. Let's bet, let's be exactly. Let's allow
Shortland Street to die the death that's been dying for
the last twenty years and pay for some comedy some
damn money.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah maybe so Hey, speaking of money, Tim, do you
reckon the three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout
for the KO boss who's basically been told to quit
was too much? Or is that actually getting away lightly?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah? I heard you. I heard your editorial and it
did challenge me. I think I think he has been
you know, he's had sort of like they put the
chloroform over his mouth and it'd given him three ninety
five kmble see you later. I guess that's it. Is
it cheap? Though? I don't know. I feel I'm and
maybe I'm just some schmuk that works in the charitable sector.
(04:55):
But it seems like a lot of money when the
Prime Minister earns for what is it already four and
this guy is on seven twenty one. So I'm yeah,
I just does seem like a lot of money to me.
But umistone, allie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Look, I do agree, but I think there's a bigger
issue here. I mean, I want to know where the
board oversight was. How did that board manage to continue
as long as it did, clearly taking its eyes off
the balls. The buck stops there, and how many of
those with political appointments who's been underperforming, who watches the
governors who you know, make sure they're doing their job.
(05:32):
So look, I do think it's a lot of money.
I think that they did want to get rid of him,
but I think it's a very expensive way. If he's
not performing, then he's not performing and it needs to go.
He doesn't need a big fat golden handshake as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Now, but if you're going to force him to quit, right,
you've got to give him money. And i'd much rather
for you know, under four hundred as opposed to like
a million or two million, which is.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What KPIs though. I mean, surely we've got systems in
place that we can actually go well, you're not reaching
that that or that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, then you have to go through the old process
of you know, like firing someone that takes like five
thousand years.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh yeah, then he hires a lawyer than you are
a lawyer. Blah blah blast. But having heard that, having
said that, I think you, Ellie makes a really important point,
which is that we need to see how this process.
We actually need to see this played out, rather than
you know, it's like they're there. Just if you go
to sleep, we'll give you three ninety five. You've been
a good boy.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Fair enough. Listen, Allie, tell me what you think. Okay.
Keir Starmer, the guy who's most likely going to be
the UK Prime minister by Friday, says he's not going
to work past six o'clock on Fridays because he wants
to spend the evening with he with his kids. Is
that realistic if he's in a big job like he
might be.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, what a stupid thing
to say. It's a nice idea, it's deluded. I think
anyone who goes into a job like that. I remember
when we lean deeldell came in his mare and crime
situmen I was at the council. He said, I won't
be having reports that are any longer than two pages
that lasted a week. Some of the nice ideas, but
actually that's just it's not yep, Tim.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, look, I admire IM valuing his family, but the
fact is that you say you come home to dinner
at five o'clock, then you go back to work at
eight o'clock. That's the way it works. And also the teenagers,
I don't want to hang out. You want to hang
out with Debt. They don't want to hang out with
dev No he's deluted. Yeah exactly. But can I just say,
I've got four Philistines on the rampage.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I've got to go. It's almost I'm sorry, sorry, Okay,
you go get to get the KI into their faces. Guys,
Thank you so much, Alie Jones, Tim Wilson Our huddles.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
For more from Hither duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing for
every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hurdle with me this evening, Allie Jones read PR Tim
Wilson maximums. Shoot, how are you too good?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
A we Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What do you make of the government's plan to save
the media?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I've been listening to
a bit about this today. I do wonder though, whether
what's happened overseas, because a lot of those media organizations
are big, the well resourced, I've got a lot of money,
whether they are stronger when it comes to bargaining with
the tech giants and getting those agreements together, and what
(00:38):
that's going to mean for some of our smaller media organizations.
I think it's positive. I think we have to do this.
We're way behind the rest of the world, and I
just do not understand David seem comments today about not
supporting the bill running. He sounds dangerously uninformed. I think,
but look, we've got to do it. But I do
worry about what power those media media organizations in New Zettoway.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It might come back to you on that, Tim, What
do you think?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, look, I think it's well meaning I don't know
how successful it all successful it'll be. In Australia it's
been a bit of a mixed bag. It has favored
big entity smaller newsrooms have collapsed. Money has come in,
but then they've tried to renegotiate it. Essentially, that's the
news bug. I think it's the fair Bargaining Code. That's
what it's called. In Australia. It's produced mixed results. My
(01:29):
thing actually is the support for shortenand Street. So this
is a soap opera whose peak was in nineteen ninety
five is now being put on life support by the government.
That seems strange.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's to preserve the acting industry, I think, Allie, okay,
I want to come back to you on David Seymore's comments.
So David's point, judging by the statement that he's put out,
is that this has the potential to backfire massively in
the same way that it has in Canada. We've got
the small publishers who now that they don't have Facebook
caause Facebook's banned all news right in Canada, being the
dicks that they are, frankly, they've had a bit of
(02:00):
a pout band or news. Small publishers have a drop
off now of seventy five percent in the clicks that
they're getting. They are now not making money and shutting down.
That is the potential that we face. Is that not
something to be worried about.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Not having? It is something to be worried about. But
I mean, what I've heard Seemore talking about today is
just ridiculous stuff about, oh, this is not really how
people traditionally want the media to be now they don't
want the product one off or I don't think this
is going to work. I mean, I'm just hearing him
say stuff, but I haven't heard him talk about that specifically,
And of course that's got to be a concern. I
think we have to look at that and be very
(02:32):
cognizant of that. But I've been more concerned about some
of the other comments that Seymour said that just seemed
to be I don't know where he've.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Poked that interesting point, Tim, is that part of the problem.
Isn't that actually the stuff that's being served up by
the vast majority of the media in this country we
just don't want because it's boring.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I look, I think there's two issues here. There's a
journalism issue and a platform issue, And what's clear is
that platforms are eroding. Is journalism eroding? There's some argument
for that with a number of journals it's working declines.
But that stuff, I guess, those kinds of discussions about
who we are, our stories, et cetera, they're migrating to
other platforms. And so I'm just not sure whether you
(03:12):
can fix that by legislation. Just can we get back
to Shortland Street because like, that's twenty million, that's twenty
million years. Seriously, twenty million a year. If they put
the money, they take that money that they're going to
pour into Shortland Street, now, if they put it into
Hunts for the Wilder People, they would have got a
return of almost ten times that. So I'm I mean,
(03:34):
innovation happens when other things die. Yeah, I'm that's just
the story of it.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Fair enough, fair enough, Ali, I want you to think
about whether it's worth saving Shorty Street to get your
take when we come back, news Dogs'd be right, you're
back with the huddle. Tim Wilson, maximum of the maximum, stude,
Allie Jones read pr right, Ali, what do you reckon?
Do we save Shorty Street?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm actually the enough bring that gloss fan clubs. So
that's my generation. Well, god, do think we shoul defined
by Shortland Street. I had a caught up with Justine Smith,
the wonderful comedian in towno's the weekend here in christ Church,
and one thing that I'm missing is good comedy, good
sketch comedy. That's what we need on Telly.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Let's do that. Let's bet, let's be exactly. Let's allow
Shortland Street to die the death that's been dying for
the last twenty years and pay for some comedy some
damn money.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah maybe so Hey, speaking of money, Tim, do you
reckon the three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout
for the KO boss who's basically been told to quit
was too much? Or is that actually getting away lightly?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah? I heard you. I heard your editorial and it
did challenge me. I think I think he has been
you know, he's had sort of like they put the
chloroform over his mouth and it'd given him three ninety
five kmble see you later. I guess that's it. Is
it cheap? Though? I don't know. I feel I'm and
maybe I'm just some schmuk that works in the charitable sector.
(04:55):
But it seems like a lot of money when the
Prime Minister earns for what is it already four and
this guy is on seven twenty one. So I'm yeah,
I just does seem like a lot of money to me.
But umistone, allie, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Look, I do agree, but I think there's a bigger
issue here. I mean, I want to know where the
board oversight was. How did that board manage to continue
as long as it did, clearly taking its eyes off
the balls. The buck stops there, and how many of
those with political appointments who's been underperforming, who watches the
governors who you know, make sure they're doing their job.
(05:32):
So look, I do think it's a lot of money.
I think that they did want to get rid of him,
but I think it's a very expensive way. If he's
not performing, then he's not performing and it needs to go.
He doesn't need a big fat golden handshake as well.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Now, but if you're going to force him to quit, right,
you've got to give him money. And i'd much rather
for you know, under four hundred as opposed to like
a million or two million, which is.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
What KPIs though. I mean, surely we've got systems in
place that we can actually go well, you're not reaching
that that or that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, then you have to go through the old process
of you know, like firing someone that takes like five
thousand years.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh yeah, then he hires a lawyer than you are
a lawyer. Blah blah blast. But having heard that, having
said that, I think you, Ellie makes a really important point,
which is that we need to see how this process.
We actually need to see this played out, rather than
you know, it's like they're there. Just if you go
to sleep, we'll give you three ninety five. You've been
a good boy.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Fair enough. Listen, Allie, tell me what you think. Okay.
Keir Starmer, the guy who's most likely going to be
the UK Prime minister by Friday, says he's not going
to work past six o'clock on Fridays because he wants
to spend the evening with he with his kids. Is
that realistic if he's in a big job like he
might be.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
No, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, what a stupid thing
to say. It's a nice idea, it's deluded. I think
anyone who goes into a job like that. I remember
when we lean deeldell came in his mare and crime
situmen I was at the council. He said, I won't
be having reports that are any longer than two pages
that lasted a week. Some of the nice ideas, but
actually that's just it's not yep, Tim.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, look, I admire IM valuing his family, but the
fact is that you say you come home to dinner
at five o'clock, then you go back to work at
eight o'clock. That's the way it works. And also the teenagers,
I don't want to hang out. You want to hang
out with Debt. They don't want to hang out with
dev No he's deluted. Yeah exactly. But can I just say,
I've got four Philistines on the rampage.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I've got to go. It's almost I'm sorry, sorry, Okay,
you go get to get the KI into their faces. Guys,
Thank you so much, Alie Jones, Tim Wilson Our huddles.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
For more from Hither duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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