Full Show Podcast: 2 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected us folk said.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
B afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're
going to have a chat to Broadcasting Minister Paul Goldsmith
on him running out of ideas for how to save
the media industry. We'll head over to Mudaway over the
news that Auckland Council is considering options to crack down
on cars on the beach. And US law professor Randy
Zellen on Joe Biden's reaction to Trump becoming a king
with that presidential immunity.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Ruling together duple c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, I'm torn on the government's announcement today that it's
going to force the likes of Google and Facebook to
pay news media in New Zealand for using content. Torn
because as someone who works in the media, I really
really want this to work, and I really really want
to believe that it will work. But as an intelligent
observer like to think so anyway, I don't think it's

(00:54):
going to work. I mean, just have a look at
what happened overseas. Canada's done this. Google's being cooperative by
the looks of its Facebook not at all. Basically just
gave them the finger, and then Facebook banned all news
content and Canada from its site. Same thing seems to
be what they're going to do in Australia. Just last
week Facebook fronted up to Parliament over there and threatened
to ban news content there too. Now that is not

(01:16):
an ideal outcome. It's not even a neutral outcome. That
is going to do damage to the media. Right if
you pass this piece of legislation of Facebook goes and
bans all news media in New Zealand from the site,
which is a possibility, it will hurt media here because
it is a symbiotic relationship. Even though the media clearly
don't want to admit that Facebook takes their content uses

(01:36):
it to fill its feed on its app. But the
media need Facebook to do that because they want those
people who are just sitting there mindlessly scrolling on FACI
to go, oh, look, that is like an interesting story
on the Herald and then click it go through to
the Herald. There's another eyeball, there's another advertising buck coming
on and they need that as well. Over in Canada,
what's happened is that the ban is now hurting all

(01:58):
of the media, but particularly more publishers the most. I mean,
some of these guys reckon that since they're not on
Facebook anymore because the band, they've lost seventy five percent
of their traffic. Some of them say they're not going
to last six months with this going on. This has
the potential to do more harm than good to the media.
Even if it works, which I really wanted to, it
is also not the solution to the problem that's causing

(02:21):
media companies to topple over at the moment. I mean,
we're talking about this maybe bringing in thirty million bucks
extra for the media to divvy up. Now you know
you're not going to turn that kind of money away,
but just give it, just to give you some context,
how small that is. That is how much money, almost
how much money TV and ZED lost in revenue in
the space of a year. Never mind all of the
other companies out there, just TV and ZED lost that

(02:44):
much money. This is half of what is expected to
fall out of the TV advertising revenue space this year alone.
So it's not going to fix the problem.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
I do not begrudge the government doing this today because
it is what the media companies have been asking for consistently,
and clearly no one has a better idea than this,
because otherwise someone in the world will have done it
by now. But it's not the solution. It could actually
do more harm than good. And if media companies are
struggling right now, which some of them are, I don't
think this is going to save them ever.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
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Speaker 2 (03:13):
The text number standard text fees applying Paul Goldsmith with us.
As I say, after five o'clock now Wide we're talking
about this yesterday. The mayor of Widehwaer wants a public
apology from Hawks Bay Regional Council for its response to
the flooding last week. As I told you, when they
get bad weather in Widewer, they go on through the
contractor and they clear the bar at the mouth of
the Widewer River in order to make sure that as

(03:34):
much water gets out to sea as possible. But ahead
of this bad weather coming in the council and I'm
talking about the Hawks Bay Regional Council only got that
contractor there about twenty four hours in advance, which was
not nearly enough time. We asked Hawks Bay Regional Council
to come on the show. Today, What a surprise. They
didn't want to talk about it, but Widawa Mayor Craig
Little is with us. Now, hey, Craig, here.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Are you very well?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Thank you? You get a call from Mark Mature yesterday
saying there's going to be an inquiry one.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Hundred per cent. So that's good. That's the first start.
I'm already going yet. But you know it just has
to ask anyone on the street and they'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Went wrong, what went wrong?

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Opened the bar in time, too little, too late, and
you know, don't talk down to us, actually listen to us.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
They say, if they had gone in there like on
the on the Monday, let's say, before the bad weather,
it would have simply filled the bar up again by wednesday.
Is it true.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
There's incredible that he can say that when you sit
in an office probably two and a half three hours
drive away and then from the road that gets closed
anyway it rains. So no, that they're not correct.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Do you think that they're up to actually, I mean
should they be doing this or should you guys be
doing this? Because they seem like they're numpties.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Well, we've asked them what's gone wrong because we used
to have local decision makers here based on why they
didn't really get it wrong very often, but now it's
just never. It's just, you know, nothing happens and we
can plead like hell and nothing happens.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
What do you know that the scope of the inquiry?
Do you know how long it's going to take or
anything like that.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
I think it's going to be. I don't think Mark
wants to muck around. He's heard from about and clear
what went wrong. We've got a lot of information there.
Now we're sort of we're saying to people, hey, you've
got any information, compear it to us, because people saying
what do I do with this? And I'm not happy?
And I say, give it to me. And so we've
got a folder. Hopefully by the time they started that
they can just grab and have a look at it.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, so they haven't started yet. When are they starting?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I think they're starting as soon as possible. I don't
know as he announced that yet, he didn't tell me
it's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, look, we have our ways of finding these things out.
We were speaking to Nichola Willis on the show last
night and she let it slip.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Yeah, I think I think he's in town tomorrow. I'm
pretty sure by the sound.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Have we have we pre announced his announcement? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
I don't know. I don't know because everyone's been asking,
everyone's been telling me about it. Quite. I was saying, Hey,
he looks like you've a's inquiry. I'm going, oh, okay,
that sounds good.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I'm stoked for you that you having an inquiry. What
is the relationship with Hawks Bay Regional Council?

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Like, Ah, look, look, we get on, but we've always
felt that they treat us like we're a small population.
Yet we're thirty percent of the land air of Hawk's Bay,
we're sixty percent of the water mass, and we just
you know, never get what we want. And you know,
they do other things down there and they don't do

(06:17):
it here.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Craig, these are the same people who stuffed up the
esqu Valley response.

Speaker 7 (06:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
I don't know if you remember this, but when Cyclone
Gabrielle came through, people were calling Hawks Bay Regional Council
saying do we need to evacuate? And they were saying, no, absolutely, fine,
you're overreacting, and then guess what happened in the valley.
So these people have form when it comes to not
making the right calls? Do you think that it should be?
What was that?

Speaker 5 (06:40):
I just think they don't listen. They're above listening to
the public. And that's where the elected members should come
in their role as a conjuc between the public and
the operations. And is it working here in viral while?
I'm beginning to wonder because that, you know, people just
feel like they've been just spoken down to every time
they complained, Go.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Craig, should these people actually be in charge of this stuff?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Shouldn't it?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean, should an outcome of this, of this inquiry
be that if it is found that they have stuffed
this up, they do not get to do this anymore.
Someone else us to do it?

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, you think that we believe we could do it
better than our say, look, you've got gisbel gizmos, a
unitary council. They make their own decisions, they do everything.
We have to go cap in hand down to hooks Bay.
You know it's just not working. Yeah, working, it can work,
but not working like it should work.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
What do you want? Do you want an apology?

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (07:28):
Gosh, yes, with us for apology because that gives people
a bit of hope that we could move on, but
with no apology. It's just like saying, well, actually nothing
is wrong here.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, good stuff. Heye listen, Craig, thank you very much,
the best of luck, and I hope the inquiry finds
exactly what I think we're going to find. That is
Craig Little, the Mayor of wir Or, So stand by
for the announcement tomorrow, which you appear to know everything
about already.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
A and Z.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Now A and Z is really behaving itself quite badly
over in Australia. They've been in a little bit of
a little bit of truck for I think it was
the bond market stuff or whatever they were up to.
But they have also now just been called out by
the banking watchdog for charging dead people's estates banking fees
and then when the next of kin or the estates
representative tries to get in touch with them, they don't

(08:15):
respond as quickly as they're supposed supposed to get back
to them in something like two weeks, just take longer
than that. They've been doing it apparently between July twenty
nineteen and September twenty twenty three, and they realized they
were doing it in early twenty twenty two, but they
didn't fix it. In fact, they still haven't fixed it,
and it's what like two years more than two years on.
It's only going to be completely fixed by the end
of this month. By the time they pay everyone back,

(08:35):
or like all the dead people back, they will have
paid the dead people nineteen thousand of them, about three
point three million dollars. Even the fact, by the way,
this is serious, and you know that because just naming
the bank is a serious thing, which is a sanction
that the banking Watchdog only reserves for the most serious
and systemic breaches. Sixteen past four figure.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither Duper c Allen
Drive with one New Zealand one giant Leap for business.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
US Talk.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Darcy water Grave Sports Store coasters with us Hey.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
Dars, Good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
How good is the latest recruion to our tennis team?

Speaker 8 (09:15):
Not so bad?

Speaker 9 (09:16):
And a really interesting backstory? Had you ever heard of Lulu?

Speaker 8 (09:21):
Soon before?

Speaker 9 (09:23):
So she played her first Grand Slam started the year
and Australia got knocked out in the first round the Swiss.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
Yeah, I think did she transfer her?

Speaker 2 (09:32):
She was born in New Zealand.

Speaker 9 (09:34):
She went to Lasland and Switzerland. She's got a Croatian
dad and a Chinese mum, and she spends most of
her time now in Slvenia with her coaches or Florida
because she was scored in the United States.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
She loves us, so she's decided to start playing out around.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
When she came over to the ASP, she thought this
was so good. So I think maybe the Ossie open
straight after that, so I might have taken a while
to transfer their allegiances. But this is a fantastic living
in Switzerlan since she's five years old. She's fluent in
English and French and Chinese. Obviously a brilliant tennis player,

(10:11):
studies international affairs and politics. So the kind of women
that you really love to hate because she's got everything.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Man, I'll tell you what she is going to be.
She's going to need a good man.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Well, no, she can need a good partner, or maybe
she can just do it all along. Does it really
really matter? So that victory over jen kin Weer was
for six six two sixty four.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
She beat the eighth seed and she seated somewhere in
like below one hundred is one hundred.

Speaker 8 (10:37):
And twenty three, beat the eighth seed.

Speaker 9 (10:40):
First time she's beaten a top ten player, first time
she's beaten anyone in the top one hundred.

Speaker 8 (10:46):
Just happened to be a top ten player.

Speaker 9 (10:48):
This is the finalist in the Aussie Open at the
start of the year, so definitely a shining star. So
she's taking on this woman called Julia Stutledub saver.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Did Lulu get lucky or is she actually? Is she
actually this good?

Speaker 10 (11:08):
You?

Speaker 9 (11:09):
I didn't watch the game. I've seen a couple of
the points, that's all. But when you look at the
score for six six two sixty four, that suggests she's good.
Because you go down to a top seed like that
for six and then you rally to win six to
two in the next and then you carry on.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
How good that would suggest.

Speaker 9 (11:25):
I'm told that she's very good at turning her defensive
game into an offense.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I Lulu, welcome to Welcome to Okay. So we've got
the Warriors team out tonight, and thank god, we're not
going to have to agonize about whether they're going to
make the right call in number seven.

Speaker 9 (11:39):
Well, because Shawn Johnson's broken out so they can't pick him.
But he's still is at the Warriors press conference today,
the media session, and he's there. He's engaged in training. Look,
he can't train, but he's not hiding in the gym
doing all of his rehab. He's out there, according to
Andrew Webster, with everybody talking and chatting and geeing them up,
providing all the energy that he has as a thirty

(12:01):
three year old athlete and helping them on. Because we've
got to Madi Martin, who was outstanding. I keep thinking
to Mightdy. Martin's a younger player, is younger than Johnson,
but he's twenty seven, twenty eight, so he've been around
with it that he was sensational. And then you've got
a few other players floating around. To remember, Metcalf has
yet to come back, so that'd be interesting how they

(12:23):
combo the six and seven again they have two sevens playing.
But I think that predictions or reports of his demise
Sean Johnson.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Just completely and utterly wrong.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
I say that because he's still so much upstairs that
he can offer to this team, and he can help
feed that next generation through. And he's not still playing
because he wants to draw a paycheck. He's still playing
because he thinks he can offer something. So he was
playing under an injury cloud and that probably wasn't the
best move. But now they've got a guy who can
sit in his spot and play very very well. So

(12:56):
now Sean's like right competition.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeh, I'm like a bit of competition.

Speaker 11 (13:01):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Absolutely all right, Dars, thank you. Always appreciate it. Darcy
wil to grow sports Grave.

Speaker 8 (13:06):
Yeah, that's why I'm terrified of the interns.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm just warming up for the day. That's what's going
I haven't spoken to anybody for like two hours.

Speaker 8 (13:12):
Not terrified of the interns too, they're on our jobs.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh look, I'll be terrified of the interns in a
few years. For now, I'm just going to relax a
little bit. I'm terrified of other people at the moment,
namely you. I'm going to stuff your name up so
badly do it for me.

Speaker 8 (13:26):
Darcy Crispin Walldergrave.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Sports Talk cost back at seven for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
As they'd be hither, there's an old saying too many
shiny ass bastards. I think that's referring to people who
sit in the office and get shiny butts from basically
sitting on the chair and knowing everything, don't they? I
know everything from sitting on that chair about everything that's
going on. And now look at the state of white Or.
I hope white Or gets its come up AND's on this. Well,
hope wide Or gets its revenge in a Hawks Bay

(14:02):
Regional council, get its come up and listen quickly. Just
on the thing that's going on with the media. It's
not just about forcing the social media companies to pay.
There are some other things that have been announced today,
including Sunday advertising and holiday advertising. You can't, like, you
can't advertise on Tally on Sunday mornings, and you can't
advertise on Christmas Day and Easter Friday and Easter Monday

(14:25):
and blah blah whatever. That's all going to change so
that basically they can get more money in because that's
antiquated stuff. Even Christians would have to admit that. Now
Shorty Street is going to be able to apply for
money to be able up to ten million dollars a
year from the screen production rebate grant or whatever it's called.
Also in z on Air, the minister's written to them
and instructed them that they need to consider funding two programs.

(14:48):
But he didn't. As far as I listened to most
of the press conference, didn't hear him name those two programs.
So we're gonna ask him what they are because he
thinks that they're just absolutely awesome. And he's managed to
have a chat to the social media companies except for TikTok,
not managed to get through to them yet. So anyway,
he's with us after five o'clock.

Speaker 12 (15:02):
Do we think one of the programs will we Married
at First Sight? Do you think Paul Goldsmith's a huge
fan of Married at First Sight and he really wants
to save it?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
He could be.

Speaker 12 (15:08):
He can't rule it out.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Because he's a bit funny, eh, Like he's I think
he's got like secret things going on in his life
that we don't know about.

Speaker 12 (15:15):
And like, if your day is just meetings, meetings, you know, conferences,
you probably just want to watch people going absolutely Didn't.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
You think that one of them would be Paddy Gower's show? Why,
That's what I thought. I was like, are you doing
a favor for a mate here is that? What's up anyway?
Murray Olds is going to be with us in ten
minutes time. First statement from Princess Anne after the running
with the horse. She said she's deeply saddened to miss
a memorial ceremony that she was supposed to go to
in Canada, but with deep regrets, she can't and the

(15:44):
reason is because she's still recovering. She's got minor injuries
and concussion with wounds thought to be consistent with being
hit on the head by a horse's leg which is
serious or head still serious, out of hospital recovering at home.
Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Hard Questions, Strong opinion, head duper see allan drive with
one New Zealand Let's get connected, the news talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I'm from a double shade of whiskey. They nummy jay history.
There's a party downtown near fish Story. Everybody had biket.

Speaker 13 (16:25):
A.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Auckland Council is having a look at cracking down on
the cars on Mudewai. Some really interesting numbers they've put
out today to explain what's going on there with the
cars driving on the beach. I'm going to rang you
through it shortly Murriold's are standing by in Barry Sopers
with us in ten minutes. I'd love to know what
you think about this, okay, as you know, a couple
of days away from the UK election and one of
the guys who's running for prime minister is probably most

(16:47):
likely to become the prime minister in the UK. This
is Labour's Sir Kia Starmer says he's going to clock
off on Fridays at six pm, come what may, to
spend time with the kids. He said on Fridays he
does not do a work related thing after six pm
pretty well, come what may, and that he planned to
maintain the habit if he was to become the prime minister.
This week, he said, we've had a strategy in place.

(17:09):
We'll try to keep to it, which is to carve
out really protected time for the kids. So on a Friday,
I've been doing this for years. I will not do
a work related thing after six o'clock pretty well, come
what may. There are a few exceptions, but that's what
we do now. As a parent, I love that and
admire that, and if that is what your work allows
you to do, absolutely you should do that. I'm just

(17:30):
not sure that that's what his work allows him to do.
Like I think he might be in the wrong job
if he wants to spend Friday night with the kids.
Do you know what I mean? Because he's a prime minister.
I good luck to him. The other day when the
Chinese Premiere was in the country, our Prime Minister had
to go to a Friday night dinner up atal Clamuseum
and that would have kicked off what like seven o'clock
or short whatever I mean, there's after six o'clock. What
is kis starting to up nap, not going to be

(17:51):
hanging out with you Chinese Premier. I've got more. I've
got a sixteen year old and a thirteen year old.
As I say, I totally respect that. As a parent,
you've got to set time aside for the dudes. When
the little dudes, nobody else get to look and they
are the most important thing. Is the most important thing
that you will do in your whole life. But is
he being realistic? I don't know that he is. You
can let me know what you think. Nine two ninety
two is the text number twenty two away from five.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
It'd be drive the US Supreme Court has ruled that
the president is immune from prosecution for any official acts
while taking an office. Lower Court is now going to
have to sort out what this means for the many
legal cases against former President Donald Trump and current US
President Joe Biden is not a fan of the ruling.

Speaker 11 (18:31):
Today's decision almost certainly means if there are virtually no
limits what a president can do, it's a fundamentally new
principle and it's a dangerous president.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Sir Kia Starmer speaking of, and Rishi Sunak are rushing
through as many campaign stops as they can before the
UK goes to the polls later this week. They've both
been campaigning in Tory held seats, so Kia obviously wants
to flip them. Rishi is trying to shore up his
support as much as he possibly can. Rishi says he's
not taking anyone's vote for granted.

Speaker 14 (19:00):
I don't take a single place or person for granted.
But I do want Britain to sleep walk into the
danger of what an unchecked labor government where the supermajority
would mean.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
And finally, the British Army has lost control of some
of its horses in London again. This time, three horses
taking part in a routine exercise was spooked by a
bus and then they took off through the streets of
the British capital. One was retrieved straight away, the other
two led their handlers on a two and a half
k chase before they were recaptured.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Murrayol's Aussie correspondents with US.

Speaker 15 (19:36):
He mus hiy, they're going to afternoon to you.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Has Elbow done the right thing? Deciding not to go
to that NATO meeting in the US?

Speaker 15 (19:44):
Well, big call. He's been to the last two. This
is a NATO meeting in Washington. Of course he went
the last couple of times, and he was accused of
being air bas Elbow by the opposition. You know, the
more impressing that, you know, the more important problems at
I'm Elbow stay home. Well, now he's doing that, and
of course the opposites are your dereliction of duty. You

(20:06):
should be representing Australia. The fact of the matter is
that he couldn't get a one on one with Joe Biden,
and you know he's desperate keen to prosecute the benefits
for Australians of the TADE at the Stage three tax
cuts that the government managed to ram through, you know,
significant benefits according to the government for every single lossie

(20:29):
cheaper power bills, and the list goes on and on
and on. So he's going to send the Deputy Prime
Minister instead looked a bit like you and and Keir Starmer,
you know you're down with you do You're damned if
you don't. He doesn't want to leave himself wide up
into another opposition attack about you know, being away from
home and when the fires are burning. And equally now

(20:51):
he's decided to stay home. He's getting Belton anyway, so
you can't win.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Hey, So it's all over for the live exports.

Speaker 15 (20:58):
Yeah, and we've been here before or it's not a
new movie.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
You know.

Speaker 15 (21:02):
I went back looking because I knew you wanted to
talk about this live sheep trade's been around for well
over well and some I read somewhere that it's been
around since around the Second World War, but it really
geared up about twenty five years ago. Now it's worth
around one hundred and forty million dollars a year. The
only state that exports live animal, sheep and cattle anymore.
Over here is Western Australia and so the decision it

(21:25):
was flagged. I mean, this was an election promise that
Labour took to the last election and that's now been enacted.
It past the Upper House last night, so it's now law. Well,
of course the sky is going to fall and if
you listen to the Farmers Federation over here. But the
fact of the matter is it is a it from

(21:46):
welfare and animal welfare point of view, it's a disaster
if you have very hot temperatures. These animals are dying
in vast numbers. Thousands and thousands of animals are being
being killed at sea because you know China or Saudi Arabia.
Someone says, oh we've picked up scabby mouth or you know,
these sheep aren't top quality. But the port buggers are

(22:08):
out there and they're literally dropping dead on the high seas.
And we've had cameras in store, we've had vets, you know,
compulsory veterinary inspections on board. The fact of the matter
is it's not good for the animal's welfare, particularly over summer.
We even had the ridiculous situation where live live exports
were banned during the summer months by the Morrison government. Anyway,

(22:30):
the whole thing's going to get knocked on the head
as of twenty twenty eight and Labor says, well, we
told you so and now we're monitoring a promise.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
So mass listen. So the security staff in the hospitals
are going to try all these body cameras, are they
to see if that actually stops the assaults and stuff.

Speaker 15 (22:45):
But yeah, this is in New South Wales. In the
twelve months to March this year, there were nearly one
thousand violent attacks on hospital staff. You're thinking emergency departments,
you're thinking security staff who they're in increasing numbers, and
that was an increase of twenty seven percent. There are
nine or ten hospitals that have been identified in New

(23:07):
South Wales as being the worst for this type of crime.
And the security guards are going to start wearing body cameras.
Around three hundred of these cameras only recording, according to
the government, if there's a risk to start for patients, well,
the Australian Milical Associations is better than body cams, how

(23:27):
but we get decent community mental health treatment facilities out
there in the community, because this is what's happening. A
lot of people are presenting with mental health conditions. They
walk into an emergency department, the moment sleeping under a bridge.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
The poor buggers they're walking. There's I mean, you know
what it's like. It's crazy. It's just like on television.

Speaker 15 (23:47):
There's lights as people yelling and people screaming and crying.
No wonder they are up a bit. Others are coming
in drugged off their faces or drunk. Anyway, the AMA says,
that's a much better way. The health services you represents.
The security guards is saying this morning, I interviewed the
guy this morning at the ABC. He said, guess what

(24:08):
if this keeps going at the rate it is twenty
seven percent increase in the last twelve months, we're going
to have to have police armed police she stationed permanently
in emergency departments.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, that is really bad. Hey, Mars, thank you for that.
Appreciate that. Murray Olds Australia correspondent here. The Keirstarmer's wife
is Jewish. Therefore their children are also Jewish. So Friday
night dinner and Shabbt is a huge thing for them.
If Tory, I e. Tory, if Tory can clock off
at lunchtime each day every day and still run the
capital city, then surely a sitting prime minister in the
UK can take an evening off once a week. Good

(24:40):
luck to him trying. I don't reckon he will be
able to maintain. It is hard. It's a lot of
work that they have to do. Just look at how
it went for Jacinda while she was trying to be
like baby Mummy at the same time. Not good. Sixteen
away from five politics with centrics credit, check your customers
and get payments, certainty, very so for senior political correspondence
with us, heybar, good afternoon, Heather. What's the most likely

(25:02):
reaction from Facebook's parent company Meta to this fair digital
news bargaining, Bill Well.

Speaker 16 (25:07):
I would imagine it would be the same as Meta
has reacted in a number of other countries, in particularly Canada.
They throw their toys out of the cot, they don't
play ball, and you know, you know, further ahead, this
is the plan that Melissa Lee apparently had been working
on and it doesn't come as anything.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
This is Willie Jackson's plan.

Speaker 16 (25:30):
Well, you know, this is the one that Melissa Lee
got tongue tied about. I think looking at what was
what was the way through for media companies and what
is a very difficult situation. But the most that this
will drag in would be about thirty million dollars, which

(25:50):
is pittance when you consider what the revenues are of
media companies, even though they are going through very tough times.
The Minister will decide in the amended version which digital
platforms are captured by the bill, and Paul Goldsmith and
I know you're going to be talking to him, he

(26:11):
says that'll allow them to manage unintended consequences what they are,
I'm not quite sure, but he says they'll also ensure
an appropriate independent regulator is appointed to act as the
bill's authority. Now and you mentioned it, the government will
remove Saturday or Sunday morning advertising and public holidays from television,

(26:36):
which is a good I think a good move. It
will make only around six million dollars a year, so
again not a lot of money. But Goldsmith says the
initiative will need labor support for it to be successful
and acknowledges it's not going to be the silver bullet
that many would like.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Government's not able to solve all the problems of the
many businesses operating. Some businesses in the media landscape and
New Zealand are doing very well and some have been struggling.
It's been compounded by the fact we're in a tough
economic spot and so advertising revenue has been low in
that case as well. But all we can do is
make some changes that I think will help. How do

(27:15):
we encourage conversations to be had between very large multinational
streaming companies and local media producers and so, you know,
we think m balance this is a good way to go.

Speaker 16 (27:28):
Well, we'll see about that, but you know, conversations have
already been held. For example, enzed Me, the organization that
owns news talk ZB in the Herald, They've already.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Talked to Google and they already have a deal.

Speaker 16 (27:43):
They have a deal, they've been paid. I believe that
stuff might be in negotiations at the moment, but would
seem that Google is a much easier organization to deal
with than Meta. If you listen to act they say, well,
I beg to differ. They've invoked that. They say the
bills are stopped a stop. It's one of those things

(28:04):
you do when you don't know what else to do.
David Seymour said, and he said to him, it always
appeared like an attempt to force one group of businesses
to subsidize another. And if you listen to the tax bars,
you know, I think they make a fair point. If
the mainstream media can't stand on its own two feet,
it's because they're out.

Speaker 8 (28:24):
Of touch with New Zealanders.

Speaker 16 (28:27):
Study after study shows that people don't trust us anymore.
And the answer is to do The answer isn't to
start bailing out, which is what the suggestion is behind
this bill. And I think that's a fair claim that
you've got to change with the times. And I guess
it's unfortunate that this comes in the very week that

(28:48):
news Hub is closing up.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
It's operation.

Speaker 16 (28:50):
It's probably do well, Yeah maybe, but you know, it's
the timing is a bit unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And I suppose how hilarious is it that Chappie to Cunney,
who runs kayinga order, goes out and tells the staff
off for leaking in a video which then gets leaked.

Speaker 16 (29:05):
Yeah yeah, that's right, and then tells them they're going
to be fired. It's incredible asking staff to apply for redundancy,
and certainly there's a lot of tension there. They're looking
at more than four hundred jobs. There's a new redundancy
process that was announced last week. Now Tacarne Chappy Note

(29:29):
has of course invited applications for redundancy. Minutes after urging
disgruntled staff to look for a job elsewhere if they
don't like the way the organization's being run, he said.
They may have their opinions, but if it's not the
right agency for you, he said, then essentially get lost.

(29:52):
Now you haven't heard this fellow on air on this program,
I think for several years now. I remember the last
interviews you had with him. But the staff certainly heard
Champy condemn those who have been leaking from the organization,
can including those who leaked the video of him.

Speaker 17 (30:11):
The leaking of information and debation the change proposal publicly
did not advantage anyone or that did do is put
Kaimah and the wider organization under pressure, and it disrespected
every other member of staff who showed up to give
their best, even when facing an uncertain future themselves. The
leaking of information exposed to poor culture, which is not

(30:35):
reflective of who we are as an organization, but most
significantly made it harder for farwn communities to believe will
do the right thing when working with their tom of
the key.

Speaker 16 (30:44):
Now there's an old cliche government here, there no clue.
Let's review now as we know that's been done many
times with the rung of dommrikiyeh and it's still the same.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Okay, thank you, Barry, appreciate it. Barries over Senior political
Correspondence seven away from.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Five, putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Hosking.

Speaker 18 (31:03):
Breakfast Prime Minister with us, do you feel you're getting
some momentum I'm citing polling. Do you feel that you
might have now a chunk of New Zealand on site?

Speaker 10 (31:11):
Well, I think you then and understand what we've inherited right,
and we're doing a turnaround job. And I've done a
lot of these in a different corporate world and it's
different from the country, and we get all that, but
the process is similar, which is you have to face
the ugly stuff and you have to face up to
your reality, and then you've got to have plan, not
in a combin our sense, but actually a proper plan
that can get the country and yourself to a much
better place, and so that's what we're just focused on.

(31:32):
Everything's about delivery, and it's focusing tremendously a public service
that hasn't had direction.

Speaker 18 (31:37):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
We're away from five okay. As I was telling you
some interesting numbers put out by Auckland Council about what's
going on with the cars on Mudaway Beach while they
consider what to do about this. The number of cars
driving on Muduay Beach in a year is staggering when
you compare it to the number of driving permits that
have been issued. Solast year wasn't that bad, but it
was particularly bad in twenty twenty two. They issued four

(32:04):
and a half thousand driving permits. The number of cars
that actually drove on the beach sixty six thousand, five hundred.
I mean that is multiples and multiples and multiples of
how many cars they're how many permits they've issued. It's
the same every single year. For some reason. Last year
it was considerably downs, only fifteen thousand cars, three and
a half thousand permits that were issued. But this is

(32:26):
the thing that I think is the most interesting the
total number of public complaints, right, you got like in
any given year you got sixty six thousand cars, sixty
four thousand cars, eighteen thousand cars, fifteen thousand cars. Number
of complaints last year, one year before, zero, year before three,
year before three. Now, if you're getting one complaint out

(32:47):
of sixteen thousand cars being on the beach, is this
actually that big a deal? Is this as bad as
people are saying, We're gonna have a chat to the
people from Murdaway Claire Bradley's going to be with us shortly. Unbelievable.
Hawks Bay Regional Councils just put out of statement. So
we said to them come on the show at four.
They were like, Nana, I can't. But then they put
out a statement at four they are going to do
reviews themselves. They're going to release the start of the

(33:09):
reviews this week, which feels very much like they're trying
to get ahead of whatever Mark Mitchell is going to
do in the review space. Paul Goldsmith with us next.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
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Speaker 3 (33:32):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Afternoon. The government has today announced how it's going to
help save the struggling media industry. It's going to go
back to the old plan, force the likes of Google
and Meta to pay news media for content that they
use through the Fair Digital Bargaining Bill. Now there's a
lifeline for Shortland Street. It will get a screen production
rebate for local news local shows rather and advertising restrictions
on the TV advertisers and TV on Sundays and public

(33:56):
holidays will also be removed. The Broadcasting Minister, Paul Goldsmith
is with me now.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Paul, good morning, good afternoon. How are you going.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I'm very well, thank you now Paul, Once you do this,
is Facebook going to ban news content here in New
Zealand like they have in Canada.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, there's a risk of that. There's always a risk
of that. Ultimately, companies have to make decisions for themselves
and the purpose of this legislation really is to act
as a backstop so to encourage those extremes. Have you
spoken to them negotiations.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
You've spoken to them. Did they say they're going to
do it?

Speaker 4 (34:29):
No, they didn't explicitly say that no, no threat at all. No,
they were indity threats. But they've made it clear that
not veryen on this legislation, as has Google Google, and
so you know, it's a it is quite a tricky area,
but we think combalances with having this as a backstop
just to encourage those conversations to happen as part of
a swimmer measures that we're trying to do too.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Internationally, Facebook has been very difficult, but Google has been
a lot easier to deal with than seems to have
struck deals and places like Australia and Canada and stuff.
Do you ex Google to play ball here?

Speaker 4 (35:02):
I hope so yes.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
If Facebook does pull the pin and ban the news
content is the most likely outcome, then that we have
the same outcome as they have in Canada, which is
where the small publishers start to fail because they haven't
got those Facebook clicks coming through, and then maybe you
have to end up bailing them out.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Well, that's always the risk, and of course the risk
is if we do nothing. Of course, then you know
the deals that we have so far might not materialize
with Google and otherwise, so whatever you do, there are risks. Ultimately,
this is you said in your introduction that we're going
to save the media. We're not claiming to do that. Obviously,
there's a fast changing environment. The way that people get

(35:42):
their news and information is changing dramatically, and obviously it's
up to businesses to figure out how to meet the
new demands of their customers. You know, you superceed. He's
doing a pretty good job with that and other areas
that everybody's trying to figure out how to survive in
a difficult environment, and that's ultimately what matters. But what
we're doing today at the government level will help a bit,

(36:03):
and so that's so it's worth making that effort.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Paul, Are you prepared if this does lead to some
smaller publishers struggling and being unable to make their business
work because of the law, are you prepared to bail
them out?

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Bailing out is not something that the government's looking to
do too often. Obviously, we're struggling overall, we've got type
fiscal environment. We're not in the business of bailing out
media if we can possibly avoid it, and possibility isn't it. Oh, No,
I would not. No, I'm not making any promises to
anybody in that regard. Ultimately, you know, the media has

(36:37):
to figure out how to survive in a difficult world.
But there are a few things that can actually make
a difference. It's sort of Ourcain rules around advertising that
we're not going.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
To come to that. I'm going to come to that pool.
I mean, if we end up in a situation where
as taxpayers we're having to pay some newspaper down the
line to survive because we stuff their business, that's not
going to be an ideal outcome.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Is it. No, it wouldn't be, and we won't be
looking to do that at all. We're not paying media directly,
and I think we learned of the government. I think
I hope the country learned. It's less than that. If
you're having big trade emmins from government agencies to the media,
that creates all sorts of problems, particularly around trusts and perspective.
So we're not doing that. There are a couple of

(37:19):
areas around open buses and things which I think has
worked quite well, and that's a New Zealand on air
sort of program, and we're ensuring that that carries on.
And so you know, we're working at a whole lot
of levels. I'm not suggesting that any of this is
easy and none of it on its own is going
to be transformational. But if if we might do a
few things that will make it somewhat easier for the

(37:39):
various media outlets to keep going and to be sustainable,
and then I think that's worth the effort.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You've written to New Zealand any You've asked them to
consider funding a couple of programs. What are those programs.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
It's open Justice, which is kind of reporting on court basis,
which is fantastic, and democracy reporting, which is around local government.
Both of those areas I weren't getting the coverage that
they needed and required and a good functioning democracy, and
I think both of those projects have been quite useful.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, very pleased to hear that. Do you think that
the changes that you're making for Shorty Street are actually
going to say that because you are allowing them to
claim potentially up to ten million dollars but the show
actually cost twenty million to make.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, Well, ultimately that's a decision for TV and ZED.
At the end of the day, what we're doing is
enabling them to changing the kind of threshold for support
through those rebates. It was a sort of a per
hourly rate, and now we're saying if you're doing a
series that costs more than ten million a year, than
you're eligible. And ultimately it's for the Film Commission to

(38:42):
make that decision whether to fund Shortened Street and then
ultimately for TV and Z to make it work. But
certainly what we're doing will make that calculation easier and
hopefully that might be able to be sustained. And the
reason why people say why do we need to be
involved in all this and kind of point of make
there is that it is actually an important institution I

(39:02):
think for us in terms of training generations of actors
and producers and all that, and so you know, if
we can do something to help beast the chances of
it carrying on longer, just as they have done in
Australian with Home, in a way, I think it's worth
the effort.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Paul, thank you very much, really appreciate it, Paul Goldsmith.
Broadcasting Minister Heather Do for Sea LA government is scrapping
free unlimited driver licensed tests. They were brought in by
Labor last year, but what they basically did was led
to a massive wait list for driving tests for people
who just kept on sitting and sitting and sitting and
sitting the thing again. From July eighth, applicants will be
eligible for only one free recent and then any after
that they have to pay for. Simon Douglas is the

(39:37):
AA's chief policy officer. Hey Simon, Hi, he how are you?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
And well?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Thank you? How long is the wait list at the
moment compared to what it used to be?

Speaker 19 (39:44):
Do you know thereis region by region, but at times
in big service it's been up to or over three
months to sit your driver's license and it's just not
an acceptable length of time and get to the way
people who need their driver's license are getting them.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Do you think that once this kicks in, which is
what like less than a week away, it's going to
have an immediate impact.

Speaker 19 (40:03):
I don't think I'll have an immediate impact. The government
has allowed for a transition zone of three months so
that people have already paid their fee can get their research.
I think it'll be really important over the period and
when it's three months transition in so fers are really
carefully and just see that these changes have had the
impact we want, which is making people much more able

(40:24):
to get their fither's licensed test When they want to
get it.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Presumably this was brought in to be able to help
people who couldn't pay for a reset, who hard up
and needed a license. Has this had any impact on
trying to help those guys out.

Speaker 19 (40:36):
Well, I think we've seen large numbers of applicants going
through the system, and the resear suggest that on the
one hand, people were wanting more accessibility, but it's gone
too far. And I think where we've landed today with
the couple that they're own for one free research that
gives you a bit of a nod to those people
who found the fees a bit of a barrier. I

(40:58):
think it's about the.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Right Simon, thanks very much, appreciate it. Simon Douglas, Chief
Policy Officer. Hither they were talking about cars and bikes
on the beach when I was fifteen years old, and
now I'm sixty three. It's the same conversation. It's I
actually kind of sad Rosco. Thank you for that. We're
going to talk about it just so you get your
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anxiety seems to be a topic that keeps coming up
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(41:22):
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And then with an electric range, and that's only electric

(41:44):
and electric range of one hundred k's it's absolutely enough
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So when you buy a Sea Lion six and then
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(42:05):
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Speaker 3 (42:09):
MZ Heather do for see Allen Heather.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I'm so happy the government is scrapping the driver's license
free resets. I've been waiting eleven weeks that's from Ben
Hither three months whatever. My wife had to wait seven months.
We were on the website daily looking for a slot
across all of Auckland. End up having to book and
Thames Aaron, thank you. Now it's going to solve the problem.
Start next week. Heaps people will drop out because I
won't want to have to pay. It's nineteen past five now,
speaking of driving. Driving on beaches is back in the

(42:33):
spotlight after an Auckland Council review found efforts to improve
driving safety on beaches are failing. Get a load of this.
Last year to drive on Murdauai, three thousand, six hundred
cars had a permit. Fifteen thousand, six hundred hit the beach.
Claire bat Bradley is the Murdauay Community Association chair with
US now, hey, Claire, Hi, Obviously a permit means absolutely nothing,

(42:54):
does it well?

Speaker 7 (42:56):
And look, it was never intended to be a solution.
And what this report from Council is addressing is a
better legislative framework. It doesn't address the larger question of
whether it's even appropriate for vehicles to be driving on
the beach solely for recreational purposes.

Speaker 20 (43:15):
The only reason given in the report is.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
In historic use. But when you think about historic use,
it's slower moving, lighter vehicles and fewer of them, not
somewhere between one to twminion people visiting the beach and
sharing the space with large, heavy, four wheel drive vehicles

(43:39):
driven at speed because their vehicle access is just somewhere
around two kilometers from the main beach on Miru Way,
So it is very much a shared pedestrian faith. Right
to pedestrians is huge.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
But if you look at the data, I mean, it
looks like in the Regional Parks Incident which it's total
Regional Parks incident data, so presumably that's more than just
Mudaway Beach only forty eight incidents last year. If I
was to say that all forty eight happened on Muduay
Beach out of sixteen nearly sixteen thousand vehicles, that's an
incident rate of zero point three percent.

Speaker 7 (44:13):
That's not a lot, no exactly, But when you look
at it, there's sixty five percent of the incidents took
place on Muruway Beach out of three hundred and fifty
seven that's not just last year, that's over a longer
period and so muruway is you know, unfortunately at the
point the end of this. But it's I mean, you know,

(44:37):
if you look at it on balance, you have to
balance the recreational use just to go and drive up
the beach and get maybe further away and do your
fishing in greater seclusion and solitude against the safety and
the security of the ecology and the wild life. No

(44:59):
safety is shared users. I mean, we wouldn't contemplate having
a shared pedestrian space where vehicles can be going, you know,
sixty plus miles an hour on an unstable surface where
there are people having picnics and no trying to.

Speaker 21 (45:18):
Go through this.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
No, you slow them right down, don't you. Clear Listen,
I really appreciate it. Thank you. I hope you get
to the bond of that one. That's clear. Bradley Murderuay
Community Association Coach chair. Listen, we need to talk about actually, truancy,
I've got some great data for you or deal with that.
Shortly five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
That'd be I'm getting quite a few texts on Mutaway
making some good points. I'm going to get to that shortly.
We'll do it, and we'll do it after the headlines.
It's five twenty five. I just want to talk quickly
about the outgoing boss of Kayinger Order and his three
hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout to leave the job.
No surprise at all, But the tone that's been taken
on this is that the payout is massive, mega eye watering.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
No, it's not.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It absolutely is not. That is not a big payout
for a CEO that I mean, frankly, that's six months
of his salary. That's not a lot. When Tony Gibson
quit the Ports of Auckland, he was on eight hundred
and twenty thousand dollars a year, which is not that
much more than the boss of KO was on. He
got a payout of a million bucks. Kevin Kenrick when
he left TV and Z was on a salary of
five hundred and sixty thousand dollars, which is less than

(46:25):
the boss of KO, he got a payout of two
million bucks. Now it's not always apples and apples, I
can see that. I mean, there will always be weird
little payments that are bespoke to the ce this particular CEO,
like holiday pay and bonuses and stuff like that. But
the point I'm trying to make is that a payout
for a CEO of only half their salary at three
hundred and sixty five thousand dollars is us getting away

(46:48):
likely to get rid of the guy. And that is
obviously what happened here. It's pretty clear he didn't want
to quit. He didn't wake up the other day and go,
I'm not really enjoying the job anymore. I think I might,
I think I might might give it up. No, what
happened is that Simon Mooter, the new chair, sat him
down and obviously told him, you need to quit. You
didn't even try to deny that on the show yesterday

(47:08):
when I put that to him. If you're basically going
to fire somebody at CEO level, you need to be
prepared to pay. And frankly, this is small change to
get that job done.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
As for this nonsense about him being given redundancy because
of the scope of his job had changed and what,
that's just nonsense. That's just absolute bs. The fact of
the matter is that to technicality that they used to
get rid of a CEO they didn't want any more
because he had to go, and he did have to
go because he ran an organization that refused to evict
thugs who were terrorizing their neighbors, that ran up huge

(47:39):
amounts of debt, that bid and paid way more than
market value for properties around the country, and that frankly
had lost the confidence of the public. Now, I do
not want to have to spend four hundred thousand dollars
of tax payer money on something like this. I can
think of way better ways to spend that money. But
to get rid of a CEO who so obviously had
to go, I reckon we got away lightly. Heather doup

(47:59):
Cel David Seymour's crack down on trueanc he seems to
be working. Listen to this. Remember when he was like, No,
you can't be taking the kids out of school to
go to Fiji during the school school term. No, you
can't just be pulling them out because they haven't etchy
I or something like that. Send them to school. He
was quite harsh on it. Flight Center have data that

(48:20):
shows that families with school age kiddies and our choosing
not to take the kids out of school to go
on holiday. They're doing it in the school holiday breaks.
The travel bookings during the winter holidays up ten percent
from last year, bookings during the school term down thirty percent.
And they say that customers are telling them that the
heaps of schools across the country now have really firm
rules against taking the kids out of school for travel

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that they do not consider to be crucial. Now, obviously
you're going to go in the school holidays. You're going
to go in this at the same time as literally
everybody else. So it's going to be very expensive. The
tippers just do it in advance headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Next the day's newsweakers talk to Heather first, Heather Duplessy
and drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
New talk Z be me.

Speaker 11 (49:10):
Can we.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Watch me? So apparently the house price is to be
affordable again in this country, they have to drop by
another sixteen percent. Oh yeah, how much do you love that?
Not at all? Brad Olsen will be with us at
about quarter past six talk us through that. The huddle
standing by. So the texts on the mudaway issue all
seem to sort of really suggest the same thing. I
don't think it's bang on hither, I drive a lot

(49:34):
on Mude. Why the answer is to fined heavily and police.
It's that easy. Now, that is true, Okay. The reason
why if you accept that it's a pedestri a shared
pedestrian zone on a beach like Mude Way, that's basically
the same concept as you go down a central city
of Many a central city road now Fort Street and
Auckland Bond Street and Wellington places like that, and it's
a it's a shared pedestrian zone, right, and you go

(49:54):
what like ten twenty k's in your car or something
like that. The only difference between these two spaces we're
going ten twenty in a city and like hooning on
a beach is that you know you could get busted
in the city and you know you're not going to
get busted on the beach. So the answer is obviously
enforcement you need to do there, like a police officer
or an Auckland City councilor Auckland City staff or whatever
to basically police and enforce. Now, the question is that's

(50:17):
the solution. Now, the question is do you want to
pay for that, because that's going to cost your money.
So is it worth paying for the enforcement in order
to continue to have the right and the privilege of
being able to drive on Mudaway Beach? If it's so
important to you, you might say yes. The rest of
us might go Nah, you just can't drive on anymore.
Win don't want to pay for that. That's what it
comes down to. There's your answer. Twenty three away.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
From six Heather duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
US President Joe Biden has condemned the Supreme Court's decision
on immunity this morning.

Speaker 11 (50:45):
Today's decision almost certainly means that there are virtually no
limits or a president can do. It's a fundamentally new principle,
and it's a dangerous precedent because the power of the
office will no longer be constrained by the law, even
including the Supreme Court of the United States. The only
limits will be self imposed by the president a law.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
The U. S. Supreme Court has ruled that presidents have
absolute immunity from prosecution for their official acts, no immunity
for their unofficial acts their non official acts. This means
Donald Trump will have significant immunity on charges of trying
to overturn the last election. Now, Randy Zellen is a
Cornell University Cornell University law professor, and with us now, hey, Randy, hey,
Is this as wild as it looks?

Speaker 8 (51:29):
No, it is not as wild as it looks.

Speaker 13 (51:31):
First of all, President Biden himself should be thankful for
the Supreme Court's decision today, because Donald Trump has all
but shouted from Mountain High that if he is re
elected as president, there's.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Going to be retribution.

Speaker 13 (51:51):
And certainly one of the prime targets of mister Trump's
retribution is sure to be Joe Biden, who he has
consistently claimed responsible for all of these criminal prosecutions. So
if former President Trump cannot be prosecuted for official acts
while he was president, then right now President Biden wants

(52:12):
he's out of office, will not be able to be
prosecuted for official acts while he was in office. So
this sound by it sounds good now, But once President
Biden is out of office, I wonder if he'll be
singing the same to it.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So, in a dissenting opinion, Justice Soto Mayo said that
this will basically make it possible for future presidents to
be able to order the Navy Seal Team six to
assassinate a political rival. Is that true?

Speaker 13 (52:40):
No, I think that's a bit dramatic the reality. From
my perspective, I think the Supreme Court looked down at
all of US citizens and said, you know what, guys,
we are not going to be your babysitters. You want
to elect people in office who have dubious, dubious character

(53:06):
and do questionable things, well, don't come to us expecting
us to clean up your mess. So what we're going
to do is, like parents, we're going to set guidelines.
We're going to set rules. We can't cover every single eventuality,
we can't cover every single possibility, everything you could do wrong.

(53:26):
We'll take it one step at a time, but we're
going to leave it to people below us to figure out.

Speaker 8 (53:34):
When you do something right and when you screw up.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
So good luck. But Randy, what is what is stopping
the president? If he was to say, if it was
Trump and he had a I'm just saying, you know, hypothetically,
he had a potential rival he wanted to take out,
and he got the guy assassinated, and he said that
was part of my official duties. The guy was a three.
What's stopping him? From doing that and escaping.

Speaker 13 (53:54):
Well, well, what would happen is, according to the Supreme Court,
the president could be charged criminally. He would then raise immunity,
and it would be up to a court to determine
on a case by case basis whether or not what

(54:14):
the president did was within his official act as president
of the United States. Now you have to keep in
mind that the Supreme Court in the United States said,
basically there were three possibilities. There are those acts of
the president that are conclusive that we don't need to
look at it, and it's clear that that was an

(54:37):
official act and therefore the president has absolute immunity. Then
you have those instances the polar opposite, which is not sorry,
the president was not acting in his official capacity. If
the president went in shoplifted at a seven to eleven,
that's certainly not acting in an official capacity. So it's

(55:01):
the in between that the Supreme Court is saying, we're
going to take it case by case. There may be
a presumption that the president was acting in an official capacity,
but that presumption can be overcome. So this decision I
don't think is as earth shattering and traumatic as it
seems to be. It's simply a matter of we never

(55:22):
had to be concerned about this because in our history
one other time maybe if you want to look at
President Nixon, and he was smart enough to resign before
things got too hot, and then President Ford pardoned him.
So this is the first time in our history that
we're being tested to this level. So it's uncharted territory,

(55:43):
and I think the Supreme Court did the best that
it could not to go too far one way or
the other and leave it to the trial courts on
a case by case basis to determine whether or not
there's immunity.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Randy, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you
so much for giving us some perspective. That's Randy Zellen,
Cornell University Law professor. It's coming up seventeen away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
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Speaker 2 (56:08):
Hurdle with me this evening. Allie Jones read Pr Tim Wilson, maximums. Shoot,
how are you too good? A ali? What do you
make of the government's plan to save the media.

Speaker 22 (56:17):
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it. I've been listening to
a bit about this today. I do wonder though, whether
what's happened overseas, because a lot of those media organizations
are big, the world resourced, I've got a lot of money.
Whether they are stronger when it comes to bargaining with
the tech giants and getting those agreements together, and what

(56:39):
that's going to mean for some of our smaller media organizations.

Speaker 23 (56:44):
I think it's positive.

Speaker 22 (56:45):
I think we have to do this. We're way behind
the rest of the world. And I just do not
understand David Seymour's comments today about not supporting the bill running.
He sounds dangerously uninformed. I think, but look, we've got
to do it. But I do worry about what power
the media organizations in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Wellway, it might come back to you on that, Tim,
what do you think.

Speaker 24 (57:07):
Yeah, look, I think it's well meaning. I don't know
how successful it all successful it'll be. In Australia, it's
been a bit of a mixed bag. It has favored
big entity smaller newsrooms have collapsed. Money has come in,
but then they've tried to renegotiate it. Essentially, that's the
news bug. I think it's the fair Bargaining Code. That's
what it's called in Australia, it's produced mixed results. My

(57:30):
thing actually is the support for Shortland Street. So this
is a soap opera whose peak was in nineteen ninety
five is now being put on life support by the government.
That seems strange.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
It's to preserve the acting industry. I think, Allie, okay,
I want to come back to you on David Seymore's comments.
So David's point, judging by the statement that he's put out,
is that this has the potential to backfire massively in
the same way that it has in Canada. We've got
the small publishers who now that they don't have faceboo
because Facebook's banned all news right in Canada, being the
dicks that they are, frankly, they've had a bit of

(58:02):
a pout band or news. Small publishers have a drop
off now of seventy five percent in the clicks that
they're getting. They are now not making money and shutting down.
That is the potential that we face. Is that not
something to be worried about.

Speaker 22 (58:13):
Not loving it is something to be worried about. But
I mean, what I've heard Seymore talking about today is
just ridiculous stuff about oh this is not really how
people traditionally want the media to be. Now they don't
want the product one off or I don't think this
is going to work. I mean, I'm just hearing him
say stuff, but I haven't heard him talk about that specifically,
And of course that's got to be a concern. I
think we have to look at that and be very

(58:34):
cognizant of that. But I've been more concerned about some
of the other comments that that Seymour said that just
seemed to be I don't know where he's talked about.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Interesting point, Tim, is that part of the problem. Isn't
that actually the stuff that's being served up by the
vast majority of the media in this country we just
don't want because it's boring.

Speaker 24 (58:50):
I look, I think there's two issues here. There's a
journalism issue and a platform issue. And what's clear is
that platforms are eroding. Is journalism eroding? There's some argument
for that, with a number of journalists working declines, But
that stuff, I guess, those kinds of discussions about who
we are, our stories, et cetera, they're migrating to other platforms,

(59:11):
and so I'm just not sure whether you can fix
that by legislation. Just can we get back to Shortland Street,
because like, that's twenty million, that's twenty million year. Seriously,
twenty million a year. If they put the money, they
take that money that they're going to pull in the
Shortland Street. Now, if they put it into Hunts for
the Wilder People, they would have got a return of

(59:32):
almost ten times that. So I'm I mean, innovation happens
when other things die. Yeah, I'm that's just the story
of her.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Fair enough, fair enough, Alie, I want you to think
about whether it's worth saving Shorty Street to get your
take when we come back news dogs'd be right, you're
back with the hut old Tim Wilson, maximum of the
maximum stude Allie Jones read pr right, Ali, what do
you reckon? Do we save Shorty Street?

Speaker 22 (59:54):
I'm actually the che enough bring that Gloss fan club,
So that's my iteration. Well, I don't think we should
be defined by Shortland Street. I had a caught up
with Justine Smith, the wonderful comedian in towno's the weekend
here in christ Church, and one thing that I'm missing
is good comedy, good sketch comedy. That's what we need
on Telly short.

Speaker 24 (01:00:14):
Let's do that let's bet there. Let's be exactly, Let's
allow Shortland Street to die the death that's been dying
for the last twenty years and pay for some comedy
some damn money.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah maybe so Hey, speaking of money, Tim, do you
reckon the three hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payout
for the KO boss who's basically been told to quit
was too much? Or is that actually getting away lightly?

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:00:36):
I heard you.

Speaker 24 (01:00:37):
I heard your editorial and it did challenge me. I
think I think he has been you know, he's had
sort of like they put the chloroform over his mouth
and it'd given him three ninety five k We'll see
you later.

Speaker 6 (01:00:48):
I guess that's it.

Speaker 24 (01:00:50):
Is it cheap?

Speaker 15 (01:00:50):
Though?

Speaker 24 (01:00:51):
I don't know. I feel I'm and maybe I'm just
some schmuk that works in the charitable sector. But it
seems like a lot of money when the Prime Minister
and for what is at four eighty four and this
guy is on seven twenty one. So I'm yeah, I
it just does seem like a lot of money to me.

Speaker 13 (01:01:07):
But I'm a stone allie.

Speaker 22 (01:01:10):
Yeah, look, I do agree, but I think there's a
bigger issue here. I mean, I want to know where
the board oversight was. How did that board manage to
continue as long as it did? Clearly taking his eyes
off the walls, the buck stops there. And how many
of those with political appointments who's been underperforming, who watches

(01:01:30):
the governors who you know, make sure they're doing their job. So, look,
I do think it's a lot of money. I think
that they did want to get rid of him, but
I think it was a very expensive way. If he's
not performing, then he's not performing and it needs to go.
And he doesn't need a big fat golden handshake as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Now, but if you're going to force him to quit, right,
you've got to give him money. And I'd much rather
for you know, under four hundred as opposed to like
a million or two million, which is what KPIs. Though.

Speaker 22 (01:01:52):
I mean, surely we've got systems in place that we
can actually go, well, you're not reaching that.

Speaker 23 (01:01:55):
That or that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
No, then you have to go through the old process
of you know, like fire, like firing someone that takes
like five thousand years.

Speaker 24 (01:02:04):
Then he hires a lawyer than you are a lawyer. Blah.
But having heard that, having said that, I think you
Ellie makes a really important point, which is that we
need to see how this process. We actually need to
see this played out, rather than you know, it's like
they're they're just if you go to sleep, we'll give
this three ninety five. You've been a good boy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Fair enough. Listen, Allie, tell me what you think. Okay.
Keir Starmer, the guy who's most likely going to be
the UK Prime minister by Friday, says he's not going
to work past six o'clock on Fridays because he wants
to spend the evening with he with his kids. Is
that realistic if he's in a big job like he
might be.

Speaker 22 (01:02:39):
No, it's absolutely nonsense. I mean, what a stupid thing
to say. It's a nice idea, it's deluded. I think
anyone who goes into a job like that. I remember
when Leanelzel came in his mare and crist Situ I
was at the council. She said, I won't be having
reports that are any longer than two pages that lasted
a week. Some of the nice ideas. But actually that's

(01:03:01):
it's nonsense.

Speaker 25 (01:03:01):
Yep, Tim, Yeah, look.

Speaker 24 (01:03:05):
I admire I'm valuing his family, but the fact is
that you say you come home to dinner at five o'clock,
then you go back to work at eight o'clock. That's
the way it works. And also the teenagers, we don't
want to hang out. Do you want to hang out
with that?

Speaker 22 (01:03:18):
I don't want to hang out with deb No, he's.

Speaker 24 (01:03:20):
Diluted, Yeah exactly. But can I just say I've got
four Philistines on the rampage.

Speaker 21 (01:03:25):
I've got to go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
It's all okay, sorry, sorry, okay, you go get to
get the KI into their faces. Guys, Thank you so much.
Alie Jones, Tim Wilson. Our Huddle seven away from six.

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Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
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Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Heather Dupless Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant
Leap for Business News talk as that'd be all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Right Rabobank listen, we're going to talk about rub A.
Think we're going to talk to rabobank after six thirty
because they're warning farmers not to take their foot off
the gas when it comes to the emissions and stuff
like that, because obviously now farmers don't have to go
into the ets, so they might be relaxing. Rubber bankers
like nap, don't relax. You need to keep going because
what's good for the planet is good for the client's business.
So we'll have a chat to them after half past six. Now, oh,

(01:04:14):
Heather Potent's gonna invade the UK after six o'clock on
a Friday evening, no one knowing, no one, absolutely, no
one's in charge. And if Kiera is a Nazi on
this stuff, he'll also be one of those guys who
turns the phone off. Do you know what I mean?
It's like, no, it's a special time with my children.
I'm turning the phone off. And so they'll be bringing
him being like invasion, Kia, Invasion, and he's like just
happy at home watching the evening news. Get a load

(01:04:36):
of this. Gen Z girls love Billy Joels Vienna, this one.
You know that when the children, yes, this is what
they love at a moment. Now we are talking about
just to remind you what a gen Z girl is
as a girl aged twelve to twenty seven, like kiddies,

(01:04:56):
they love it. Seems like they got into it, possibly
by watching a movie called f ten Going on thirty,
which was a rom com which was made about twenty
years ago starring Jennifer Gannah. Isn't she married to old
mate who got busted the other day from in sync
what's his name? Justin Timberlake My Magic? No, she's the
ex of what's his face? Who went for j Lo
ben Affleck. She's the hot one who he ditched for

(01:05:19):
j Lo Jennifer Gannah. Yeah. Anyway, So the movie's about
a little girl who desperately wants to be a movie
and a woman, and then she wakes up in a
high powered thirty something magazine editors Joel job Like. She
wakes up as a woman, and then she realizes it
really sucks, and she tries to run away from the
city and go back to her parents in her home,
and this song plays and the gen z is love

(01:05:40):
it because it speaks to them. It describes their particular
feelings of onwear at the moment. One on TikTok said
she booked a trip to Vienna because of the song.
Another one wants to get the lyrics tattooed on her body.
Another one wants to name her child Vienna, until she
realized they might get mistaken for a sausage. Every teenage girl.
They say things like this, Every teenage girl has the
inexplicable emotional attachment to the song. No one knows why.

(01:06:03):
It's just a pinnacle part of girlhood. No one understands
a woman in her twenties like Billy Joel died when
he wrote Vienna sadwn you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
What what's down? What were the major calls? And how
will it affect the economy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Of the big business?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Questions on the Business Hour with hither Duplessy Allen and
my Hr on News Talks ev.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Even coming up in the next hour, brad Olsen's going
to talk us through where the house prices will drop
another sixteen percent? Rabobank on why farmers shouldn't relax on
the emissions even though they have escaped the etes and
Jamie Mchaye, who I think is out at some flash
function at the moment. Eight past six now, the Broadcasting
Minister says Facebook may actually well end up banning New
Zealand news content from its sites a site in retaliation

(01:06:54):
against a proposed fair bargaining bill. Once past the likes
of Google and Facebook will be forced to negotiate deals
with media companies in order to use their contents. When
I asked Paul Goldsmith, the Minister, earlier, whether the tech
the tech companies had threatened to ban news in New Zealand.

Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
No, they were any threats, but I mean they've made
it clear that not veryen on this legislation, as has
Google gurgle, and so you know, it's it is quite
a tricky area, but we think imbalances with having this
as a backstop just to encourage those conversations to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Andrew Holden is the News Publishers Association's Public affairs director
and with us Now, Hey, Andrew, hi have how do
you rate the chances that Facebook will ban news here?

Speaker 20 (01:07:33):
Ah, It's a bit difficult to say at this point.
I mean they've certainly done or threatened that in Australia,
and they've done it in Canada. I mean, I think
the point about this legislation is it gives us an
opportunity to sit down with them and have a conversation
and a negotiation. There's no need from our perspective to
go to that kind of nuclear response at this point.
We think that news brings venue to Facebook. We just

(01:07:55):
want to have a conversation with them about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Okay, that may be what you might want to be reasonable,
but they're not that reasonable if we end up in
the same situation that is possible in Australia. Certainly has
happened in Canada where you've got this, you know, them
pulling out of the news and there as therefore as
a result reduced traffic and it particularly hits the smaller
publishers hard. Is it worth it to end up in

(01:08:18):
that position for what little money we will get from Google?

Speaker 20 (01:08:23):
Well, are talking about a little money from Google and
little money from Facebook, I mean between the two of them,
and so no money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
From Facebook Andrew they walk away. They really hurt the
traffic that goes through to the websites. You're getting some
from Google, but you lose Facebook and all of their
platform altogether. Is it worth it?

Speaker 20 (01:08:40):
Well, we lose the platform potentially for news. But you know,
there are always alternatives for small publishers, and certainly the
MPa is one of those who are more than happy
to talk to those small community or ethnic publishers around
what might be alternatives for them. I mean fundamentally, what
we're talking about here though, is what is a fair
pain and for the use of journalism content buying these

(01:09:03):
tech companies, and we know that you're using it. We've
done research recently that shows them more than ninety percent
of KeyWe yous are going to who want to keep
up to date with news every single day, and search
and social media are key places that they go through
to find that information. So we know news is of
value to them. And what we want to do is
sit down with these companies and say journalism matters of

(01:09:24):
New Zealand, you're getting value out of it. What do
you think is a fair payment to arts. That's fundamentally
the point behind this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I would have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Thought that news media had a better argument with the
likes of Facebook and Google using AI, because there is
no I mean, you know, there is some benefit in
news media being on a platform like Google because you
get the tech traffic, you get the traffic coming through,
you also get you there's some benefit of being on
a platform like Facebook because you get the traffic coming through.
But there is absolutely no benefit to news media and

(01:09:51):
those guys scraping their content for AI. Are you disappointed
that Paul Goldsmith's not doing anything about the AI?

Speaker 20 (01:09:59):
No? I mean, we certainly asked him to suggest that
a legislation call it out. But we're confident that this legislation,
because it doesn't specify the particular companies that are covered
by it, that it will in fact cover those AIS
so Chat GPT, as far as we're concerned, will be
covered by this legislation. We know that they're using New
zeal On journalism, they're using it to train their engines.

(01:10:22):
So we're looking forward to sitting down and having a
conversation with them and saying we know you're getting venue
under this, it's time for you to pay for the
venue that you're getting from it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Does David Seymour have a point that this doesn't actually
fundamentally deal with the problem, which is that the news
media is offering up a product we no longer want
to consume.

Speaker 20 (01:10:43):
Well, I mean he's wrong on that respect. I mean
he's talking about something completely different. The issue here is
that the money is being digital advertising is being scooped
up by these digital tech companies. They're getting value from
news and they're not paying for it. What he's talking
about is something fundamentally different. We don't have an issue
with the audience in New Zealand. As I said that

(01:11:04):
research is showing that ninety percent of kiwis are going
and looking for information every day. The same research shows
that they trust their local news content providers. Here in
this country, over eighty percent of kiwis actually trust the
local journalists who tell them what's happening if there's flooding
in Lisbon or on an earthquake in christ Church. So
that's not the issue here. The issue is a marketing balance.

(01:11:27):
It's not the quality of the news, and it's not
the fact that the keys want to be kept up
to day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Andrew, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you
so much for your time. That's Andrew Holden Holden, who's
the public affairs director at the News Publishers Association. On
Shortland Street, lots of text here that who watches Shorty Street?
I never have. My friends don't, my parents don't, neither
do my kids. I'm just curious to know what demographic
makes up their ratings. Bring on the comedy, because I'd
watched that here. The Shortland Street is, in my opinion,
pap and a waste of money. Hither it's a shame

(01:11:52):
that Sunday and Fair Go got canceled, regardless of profitability.
Those stories needed to be told at Shortland Street is rubbish.
I have no opinion. Have not watched it in twenty years,
twenty five years, I don't even know. I don't even
know if I ever watched it, probably not. Anyway, got

(01:12:13):
some good news and some bad news. Who are starting
with the bad news. The bad news is the economy
is still getting worse by the looks of things. So
we had the little GDP number that get slightly out
of recession, but yeah, don't really take too much from
that because it's still getting worse by the looks of things.
Endz in Iers quarterly survey of business opinion shows business
confidence is still falling and net thirty five percent of

(01:12:34):
firms I reckon the next few months are going to
get worse and net twenty eight percent have reported their
own business has declined in the June quarter, which is
the quarter we just got out of a couple of
days ago. That's worse than the previous quarter. Very bad
in construction, very bad in manufacturing. Good news good news
is this is going to mean an OCR cut probably
this year, which is what I'm banking on and have
been predicting. So fingers crossed asb says OCR cuts before

(01:12:57):
year end remain a distinct possibility. Our our call is
under review. A and Z says we remain very comfortable
that the RB and Z will be cutting considerably earlier
than signaled in the May MPs monetary policy statement. Kiwibank
says enough is enough. The risk here is severe economic
scarring from overly restrictive monetary policy. It expects a cut
in November and has for ages. B and Z says

(01:13:18):
in our humble opinion Today's quarterly Survey of Business Opinions
screams rate cuts sooner rather than later. Here here, don't
think it can go on much longer. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather duplicy
Allen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR. The
HL platform for sme on us talks EDB. Crunching the
numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy Ellen with
the business hours.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Thanks to my HR.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
The HR platform for sme on us talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Come on here the start pushing Adrian or as the
next Andrew McKenzie, as in the boss of KO, as
in like bye bye, here's your golden handshake. Then this
country might get somewhere fell I'll tell you what, I
wouldn't mind it. But didn't we just sign a contract
with Adrian last year, wasn't it last year or thereabouts?
For another like five years? So you'll stuck with Adrian
for another four years. By my calculations off the top

(01:14:12):
of my head, I would he's on eight fifty, by
the way, But I just like just his character, his
golden handshake would be massive to get rid of him,
and I would pray it to get rid of him.
I really would. Eighteen past six Now, Infirmetric says house
prices need to fall at least another sixteen percent to
become anything like affordable.

Speaker 24 (01:14:29):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
This comes after the Housing Minister, Chris Bishop said last
week that house prices need to drop, which is a
pretty big thing for a housing minister to say. Already,
according to the Real Estate Institute, house prices are sixteen
percent below their twenty twenty one peak. Brad Olsen is
Informetric's principal economist and with us.

Speaker 25 (01:14:44):
Now, hey, Brad, good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
So you're talking about sixteen percent on top of the
sixteen percent we've already seen, which is what thirty two percent?

Speaker 25 (01:14:52):
Yeah, that would be from that peak. I mean, to
be fair, we're comparing it to the most tippy top
of the mark, which was sort of stupid o'clock when
it comes to the housing market. Like no one I
think seriously looked at that and went, this really huge
number on paper is the number that I should use
as my reference points for the rest of the time.
But it also shows that given how much house prices

(01:15:13):
they have gone out of kilter with people's incomes, you're
now paying a substantially higher proportion of your income to
service a mortgage over time, far more than it was
over the long term. That's why if you actually want
to talk about affordability, if you want to get serious
on that topic, you would have to see house prices full.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Do you think they're going to.

Speaker 25 (01:15:32):
I don't think they'll fall at the moment. I mean
we're doing some better things in the right direction, and
we broadly expect to see house prices track sideways over
the next couple of years. In fact, I think when
we ran the lumbers last time, we thought that it
might be twenty twenty nine before we got house prices
back to their twenty twenty one peak, And of course,
over that period you to be expecting that people's incomes

(01:15:53):
will increase over time, and that seems to be a
suggestion from a lot of people over how you get
better affordability as you sort of try and hold house
prices where they are. Because look, lets be clear and
hither I'm surprised you haven't taken me to task yet
on asking for house prices go down. I mean, that
is the biggest value that most households in New Zealand have,
and on these numbers, we're sort of suggesting it needs
to go lower. The more palatable option and I sort

(01:16:15):
of understand that is that you hold try and hold
house prices where they are at the moment, and you
let incomes grow over time. But it would take a while,
and all the while you've got a bunch of young
kiwis who are going well at the moment, I'd be
coming back and having to spend and splurge a whole
bunch of money on a house that's worth far, far
too much relatively speaking. Is that really the future I want?
So it's a toss up over time looking at those

(01:16:37):
house prices and people's interomes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I'm not taking you to task, Brad, because I think
that I think that we've all come to accept that
it cannot continue the way that it is, right, And
I also think it's not going to fall by sixteen percent,
So I think you're just what you're talking about is theoretical, right.
But I'll tell you what I am worried about is
that the stuff that's going on at the moment, like
the debt to income ratios, is going to have an
effect on It's just not going to let the house
prices rise at the extent to which we have got

(01:17:00):
used to. Therefore, that adjustment in our heads and the
impact on the wealth effect I suspect is going to
be quite big economically, don't you think?

Speaker 20 (01:17:09):
Oh? Absolutely?

Speaker 25 (01:17:10):
But I do wonder if that's all most sort of
a good thing for the future, if we don't have
quite as much house price process we've did into our expectations.
You know, up until a couple of years ago, house
prices couldn't fall like that was just balming. You could
write a you know, you could sort of sign your
will on the idea that a house price will go down,
and now it has. And I think that what I'm

(01:17:30):
wonder is, with the lights of the details that have
come in in the future. That also means that if
you're looking as an investor in anyone else or when
you put your money, maybe you don't put it into
a health Maybe you think about trying to get a
better or turn elsewhere. Maybe that's how we get those
productivity to our hands over time. Maybe that's how we
get our better and higher incomes over time that mean
we can afford the houses. So this might be sort

(01:17:52):
of a not too bad sort of feedback loop for
the economy. But I think look bottom line, if it's
a sixteen percent drop, even if it's house is continuing
at the same level, I think we probably should be
able to agree right everyone that house prices continuing to
go up at a faster rate than people's incomes means
that you will increasingly lock people out of the housing market.
That's certainly not the outcome that anyone wants.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Yet I take your point, so it's basically long term gain.
You take the medicine right now, Brad, Thank you. Was
always really appreciated this Brad Olson, and for metrics principal
economists wise beyond his years. That boy a Heather I
posted a comment on rabobank this is rabobank new Zealand,
and I said that their white paper, which is the
one we're going to talk to them about in twenty minutes,
I said their white paper was a load of white
noise and stop picking on the farmers and cows, and

(01:18:35):
that I thought that they were a bank dealing with
things financial rather than joining the climate change work brigade
and telling farmers how they should farm. And I see
my comments now being deleted. Oh Leslie, I think I'm
going to go down a similarish track to you. Actually
in a minute six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Wow a rule report on the heather duper see Eland
Drive with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Here we go, Jamie McKay Hosts of the Country out
of the Prime Reindustry Summit and Awards in Wellington. Aren't
you Jamie?

Speaker 23 (01:19:03):
What was that hair? I couldn't quite pick that up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Have you got your penguin suit on tonight?

Speaker 23 (01:19:08):
I'm about to well, it's not a penguin suit. I'm
not going full dinner suit, but I'm about to get
into a suit as soon as I've finished this very
high rating cross.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
You keep on flattering me, because that's what I need
right now. Are you wearing a bow tie or just
a tie?

Speaker 23 (01:19:24):
No, I'm wearing neither. I'll be in the cheap seats,
so it won't actually matter that much.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Why aren't you nomination this evening? You're a dress up
for the stuff.

Speaker 23 (01:19:34):
Oh well, I've been on the road for about five
or six days and I've just run out of clothes,
to be honest, And you know when you go to
iron your shirt and a hotel and someone sort of
little the iron with thirty water and I'm thinking, please
don't let a spot go on my white shirt for
the night. And then I thought I had a spot,
but I just kept dieroning it till it mouthed away.

(01:19:55):
There I'll be wearing a nice white shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Okay, So what are you?

Speaker 23 (01:19:59):
Normally Outstanding Contribution to New Zealand Primary Industries Award. But
it's a longevity thing either. It's a bit like a
gong if you hang around for long enough, say get
you there. But to be honest with you, possibly I'll
probably be a distant third. I hope Julian Rain wins.
He's the former president of Federated Farmers, a guy who's

(01:20:22):
been a real entrepreneur, and not only dairy but horticulture.
One of the instigators of the y Mare Dam. I'd
love him to win, but I suspect that the winner
will be Evangeli Vitalis. He's the guy who helps negotiate
the free trade agreements with the UK and the EU.
And one of the numbers that got thrown at us
today was how much your average key we fruit are

(01:20:44):
grower is benefiting from that free trade agreement with the
EU because the keyw fruit season is snuck in there
just in time. Sixteen thousand dollars per grower in New Zealand,
so it's a sizable benefit to the country. I think
he'll be the one of it. There are awards also
for Science and Research, Emerging Leader, Team and Collaboration, Primary Industries,

(01:21:08):
Champion Technology Awards and a Guardian and Conservation Awards and
Rural Hero. So what's that about six or seven awards. Yeah,
it's a good night out for the who's who of
the primary industries and Heather, I'll tell you what. I've
all been here today or they will be there tomorrow.
Like today we've had Todd McLay ray Smith from MPI,

(01:21:30):
Wayne Langford, president of Federated Farmers, Joe Luxton, Labour's a spokesperson,
Miles Hurrell, Dan Bolton from silver Fern Farms. Tomorrow the
Prime Minister Chris lux And kicks it off. We've got
Vangeli Vitalis speaking and Special Trade and boy Hamish Maher
talking about India that politicians are here all over the place.

(01:21:50):
Andrew Hoggart from Act, Mark Patterson from New Zealand. First, No,
Damien O'Connor, interestingly, and I didn't spot a green anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, I think Damien might have might have realized is
not a lot of love for him at the moment.
Jamie Beast of Luck, I hope you win it. As
Jamie mckaye, Host of the Country. Here the what a
load of rubbish. Construction prices and wages would have to
go backwards for houses to drop in price. MB has
also raised building standards like thermal breaks and windows.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
The house prices are falling. Their started to fall in
early April. Ass anyone at the cold face they will
tell you hither. I totally disagree with Brad. House prices
will not drop Dreamland here. The building and labor costs
can't fall sixteen percent, so it's not possible for new
house prices to drop that much. Fair point. I mean
it depends on how much of it has built into
the price. Right, it wasn't There wasn't much in the
twenty twenty one prize was pretty frothy. So it could
come back. But maybe we've reached I don't know, have

(01:22:38):
we reached that point where labor costs have to come back?
Headline's next, then Rubbobank, whether.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
It's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Allen and my HR, the HR platform.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
For SME US talks by.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Brady's going to be a US and ten minutes out
as a UK crowing again, crowing that the Tories are
going to be out. He's only got another like what's
the it's Tuesday morning over there, A he's only got
another three full days of the Tories and then you
can breathe a big sigh of relief. You remember that
gold gold mining company we spoke to yesterday at about
quarter past five. This is the one that has got
the massive goldfine near Cromwell on Bendigo Station, privately on

(01:23:29):
Bendigo Station. Sentanamnerals just applied to list on the n
z X because they're already on the AX. So they're
going through the you know, the foreign exempt listing process
blah blah blah, and if they get everything needed then
they have a listening date, which they're targeting at the
moment of twenty four July, so that's three weeks from now.
So yesterday I was trying to find a way in
into the company. I was like, are eating a capital raise?

(01:23:49):
What are you doing? I want I want to get me,
get me some gold. This is not this is not
financial advice for literally anyone is. My last financial advice
to my health was to buy shares and sky TV.
And now look, so don't listen to me, like, don't
listen to me, but my way I'm going to be rich.
Hither I've been doing a bit of pop property, pawn grazing,

(01:24:12):
gazing rather after a holiday in Central otago Oh, how
good possible retirement option. How about that weather in Central
Otago a and the gold. I was just notified today
that one on my watch list has dropped by twenty
five thousand dollars. This is in the seven hundred thousand
dollars range. That's a significant drop For that one swallow
does not make a summer. But maybe I should keep
an eye out for more properties dropping in price, Karen,
why not hither? Absolutely, the prices for kitchens and bathrooms

(01:24:34):
and wardrobes are dropping at the moment already on their
decrease to get the job done, so the prices of
houses and building them will now come down as well.
That's from Carrie, thank you very much. Twenty two away from.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Seven News Talk said be now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Rabobank is warning farmers not to take their foot off
the gas pedal when it comes to cutting down on
their carbon emissions. The new coalition government has stopped agriculture
from going into the ets scrabbed scrapped here Woka Echonoa
as well. But according to the new Rubberbank white paper
that was released today, this is just a breather and
the agricultural sector still needs to focus on improving its
omissions efficiently. Todd charteris is Rubbobank New Zealand CEO and

(01:25:09):
with us now, hey Todd here, how are you well?
Thank you? So just to breather because the market pressures
still exist.

Speaker 21 (01:25:16):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think some of the changes
certainly by this new government have been well received, certainly
by farmers and growers, and that's great, but I think
the voices from our customers offshore remain the same, and
so I think we need to maintain that position and
keep moving forward like our farmers have been doing for
a long time. So let's just keep staying at the

(01:25:36):
top of the key, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
How much of the pressures that are still existing are
regulations and governments and trade agreements and politicians rather than
actual consumers.

Speaker 21 (01:25:47):
Yeah, look, I think that's a good question. I mean,
certainly the customers, which you know, when I talk about customers,
we're talking about our large retail companies offshore at large
food companies, and so the pressure is coming from men.
They've all made commit minister scope through reductions, so that's
where a lot of it's coming from. But it's also
baked in, as you say, to some of our trade agreements,

(01:26:08):
and we need to be aware of that and understand
what the implications of that are if we can't meet that.
So we just need to keep the progress going. I
think the good thing as industry has the opportunity to
determine what that looks like, and I think that's encouraging.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Ye are the pressures, like what exactly are we talking about?
Are we talking about pressure to be the most efficient
or in the world, or are we talking about pressure
to bring down emissions from where they are now or
to meet the Powers agreement or what?

Speaker 21 (01:26:39):
Well, I think it's a commodation. I mean, I think
the challenge globally is to produce more food using less
natural resources. And so if New Zealand can maintain this
position that sort of world renowned is one of them
more efficient, if not the efficient food producer, then I
think if we can continue to maintain that position, that's
positive us in those export markets to maintain market access

(01:27:04):
and essentially be the front of the queue when we're
selling our projects to the world.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
We are the front of the queue, aren't we. I
Mean the only thing that risks us not being the
front of the queue at the moment is that there's
technologies like I don't know, hey, that you lay out
in a barn, which we wouldn't really use because we
don't really barn feed, and we might get bumped off
the perch by technology. Right, that's the risk that we face.

Speaker 21 (01:27:24):
Oh, look, I think there's technologies that are evoked, Well,
I know there's technologies that are available in other markets,
but we can have to take complacent and we need
to continue to invest in research and development which is
going on. We need to continue to innovate in history,
sharn that their farmers and growers are fantastic at that
in as industry, we just need to support it and

(01:27:45):
keep moving it forward regardless of local regulation.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Do you reckon the methane reviews a good idea?

Speaker 21 (01:27:50):
Well, look, I think it is because it will bring
certainty and remove some of the discussion and noise. I
think so bring certainty to that is positive and then
we can move forward on whatever that outcome is.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Are you at the Primary Industry Awards tonight?

Speaker 20 (01:28:06):
I am.

Speaker 21 (01:28:07):
I'm about to attend that. So that's been a busy
day here and looking forward to the awards. It was
great to celebrate great people out there in the marketplace.
Deal thinks, what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Are you wearing? Because Jamie mckaye was just on before
he's not wearing a bow tie or a tie. He's
going like open neck. Are you doing that?

Speaker 21 (01:28:24):
I'm going with a tie, but it's not a bow tie.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Okay, Can you do me a favor and go to
Jamie McKay and tell him he's a disgrace for not
even trying.

Speaker 21 (01:28:31):
Oh look, I'll pass some comments on here that I'm
not sure I'll call them a disgrace.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Use your own words, Todd. I mean, feel free to
make it like expletive, lad, and if you want to.

Speaker 21 (01:28:41):
I'll have a quiet word to him on your behalf.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I appreciate it. Good on you, Todd, Thank you very much,
Todd Charter. It's Rabbo Bank New Zealand CEO. I mean,
why wouldn't you take the opportunity to swear it, Jamie
McKay when no one's listening. I would listen on the
on the Cookstraight sailings. We talked about this yesterday because
inter Island has canceled all the sailings from tonight, like
I think they're last will be in a couple of
hours or something like that, or maybe that's the one
that's canceled. Who knows. Whatever, You're lucky to find an

(01:29:05):
entireland ferry running at the moment. An't yet anyway, So anyway,
they've decided to cancel them from tonight all the way
through to Thursday morning. And I said Blue Bridge hadn't
blue Bridge now has, but not nearly as many. They've
only remembered into Irelander basically a day and a half
Tuesday night, all of Wednesday to Thursday morning, blue Bridge
is only canceling two, which is the seven forty five

(01:29:26):
tomorrow in the morning, seven forty five sailing to Wellington
and then the eight fifteen sailing to depict Us. So
we'll see, we'll see how that goes, because it's got
I mean, if they keep it at that, then you
have to go like, what are you doing in te
Island And are you just like turning away business now
because you're just so rich? Is that what's up? Another
case of bad turbulence. I'm going to tell you all

(01:29:48):
the cases are bad turbulence that come in so I
just freak you out so you never want to get
on a long haul flight again. But I have there's
reason for that, which is that my German producer likes
to go back to Germany all the time, and then
she disappears like seven months. She's like got to make
the holiday work, so off she goes. So I am
basically just trying to freak her out so she never
gets on a plane to Germany again. Then we've got

(01:30:08):
her all the time, which is brilliance what we want.
Air Europa between Madrid and Uruguay on Sunday, just hours
before the flight was expected to reach its destination, it
was shaken so badly by turbulence it had to divert
off to Brazil, a place called Natal. Who even knew
that existed? Two places called Natal in the world, one
Brazil and one in South Africa. Up to thirty people

(01:30:29):
were hurt. The best bit about it, if you could
take a beast bit out of this, is that there's
a video from the plane which shows that a guy
has been thrown up into the air and then has
managed to lodge himself in the overhead lockers. But I
don't quite know how. He must have gone up and sideways,
but it's the overhead. When you're an economy, you know,
you've got the overhead lockers down the middle. The seats

(01:30:50):
down the middle that either side have an aisle and
you can open those lockers from either side. He has
gone sideways into that and he's like in there across anyway.
You know he's in there because his feet are dangling out.
There's literally the only bit of him and it's just
like kicking his little feet up there anyway. I don't
know if he's badly hurt or what, but there's some

(01:31:10):
more bad turbulence. So put your seat belt on or
don't get on the plane sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
And the Brady's at UK corresponding.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Hey da.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Are you there?

Speaker 20 (01:31:32):
I am that ol Heather?

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
How are you stuffed it up? I stuffed it up? Inda?
What don't you make a kostama saying he's not gonna
work past six o'clock on Friday evenings because he wants
to spend time with his family. That's not realistic for
the prime minister.

Speaker 7 (01:31:43):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:31:44):
Probably not? But you know what had sparked the conversation
about switching off for a bit at some stage in
the week, and a lot of people are saying that
the Prime Minister should never switch off. Of course Sunak
has come straight out and said that he's never ever
not worked Part six. You know that he's always worked,
I should say past six and that being prime minister

(01:32:05):
means that you have to do these things. But Starmer's adamant.
He says that Friday evening is always family time with
his children and he won't be working past six pm.
So I guess it's maybe focusing attitudes on how hard
we work. And there's a lot of people are debating
going back to the office and companies are putting the
squeeze on. Starmer's just putting his hand up, I think,

(01:32:25):
and being quite refreshingly honest with people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Yeah, perhaps so. But all it's going to take is
a couple of crises that happen on a Friday, or
an event that he refuses to go to, and he
will change his mind, won't he.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:38):
Absolutely, Look, when you're a prime minister. I don't think
Blair ever stopped. Blair what was he in charge for
eleven years here? I would say Friday nights Blair was
thinking if he wasn't doing something, he was thinking about
doing something. That was how driven he was. Starmer's just
coming in with a fresh attitude. But look, there's two
days still to go here, all to play for.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I know, are you just so excited to get rid
of the Tories?

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
I'm excited to kind of see it done. I think
six weeks is too long. I think we've seen the
same topics debated endlessly, the same man getting so much
attention Nigel Faraj I'm talking about. I'm excited to see
it over and done with and a result in. And
I find this absolutely jaw dropping that Brexit has not

(01:33:21):
been discussed once in the last six weeks by anybody.
It was described to me the other day as a
very brill from a very brilliant political editor. He said
to me, it's the smelly elephant.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
In the room. Quite a good saying. Why is that
a pickmem in trouble?

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
So he hasn't done anything wrong, but it doesn't look
good In Norway. He has been salmon fishing, and the pictures,
to be honest, it looks like he could be in
the South Island of New Zealand looks absolutely beautiful. You've
got mountains, you've got crystal clear waters and a guy
sitting on a rock fly fishing with a rod, which
is clearly David Beckham. Now the pictures have gone all
over the Norwegian media. Why is it making a store

(01:34:00):
man out fishing with a rod? Turns out that Norwegian
Atlantic salmon catches have been down thirty percent in the
last couple of years. There are very serious concerns about
the stock levels in the River lair Dal in southwestern Norway.
They call it the Queen of the Rivers because the
Norwegian royal family fish there. Believe it or not. The

(01:34:20):
King and Queen go fishing and they've put a ban
on Norwegians fishing with rods in that river to protect
the stocks. And suddenly a lister Beckham turns up and
he's allowed to do what he wants, and apparently he
was helicoptered in and out. So a lot of locals
disgruntle that it seems to be one room for the
rich and famous and the rest of them can just

(01:34:42):
go to the river but just not fish anything in it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Ah, I can see where I can see why people
are upset about this. Now you're going to go to
Jeremy Clarkson's pub.

Speaker 6 (01:34:49):
Absolutely, so he's not that far from me. We're in Oxfordshire.
He has spent two million NZ dollars buying the windmill
in Burford. Burford is the last little town on the
fringes of Oxfordshire in the west of the county before
you go into properly into Cotswold Territory in Gloucestershire. It's

(01:35:09):
very pretty over there. It's run down, it needs renovation,
it needs a lot of work. And he says that
the plan is to be opened by Christmas, and he
wants to serve his own larger which he brews from
the wheat and barely off the farm, Clarkson's farm, and
he's going to have that on taps behind the bar,
and then he wants to serve simple English food like
gammon egg and chips, hand megic legg and chips, shepherd's pies,

(01:35:32):
and there will be a free beer for every local
farmer who goes in. So he's very adamant about that,
and I think, you know, part of it, I think
as well as content creation. Maybe he's covered every inch
of ground in terms of filming agricultural stuff, but this
one I can see echoes of faulty towers in this
next season when it's Clarkson's pub.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
I love this very much, Inda, thank you very much
looking after yourself. Into Brady UK correspond We'll be talking
to Inda on election day. So fizzling for that EPs
everybody right now, eight away from seven whether.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
It's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR.
The HR platform for SME used talks b.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Heither the UK Prime Minister electe Will will shortly to
be Prime Minister potentially going home at six o'clock on
a Friday is absolutely nonsense. But seriously, we need to
change the hours that MP's work to attract better people
to be our politicians. And MP's hours should be eight
to five like everyone else, with occasional extra hours when needed.
That's the biggest load of bs I've ever heard, because
those guys, I mean honestly eight to five. Half of those,

(01:36:37):
like the backbenches, pretty much do nothing all the time.
Lots of those opposite opposition guys like the Marty Party
and the Green Party, they won't be doing very much
at all. They'll just be like especially if they list
MPs floating around just doing nothing. Marty Party at least
has got some electorates to do, but most of them
just float around doing nothing. Actually, then then there's a
core who just do all of the work and they
work incredibly long hours. The least we can ask of

(01:36:59):
those back benches who are doing bloody nothing is to
sit in the house until ten o'clock at night. I'm
not going to restrict that. I would never advocate for
restricting their hours. And I don't even think then, I mean,
I don't think that you're going to get a better
quality worker if the hours are restricted. It's not going
to make people love the idea more, probably less. It's
going to look like more of a cozy job for
people who've got nothing better to do, Like they'll go, oh,
what shall I do with my life? I could go

(01:37:22):
for local government, or I could go for central government,
or I could I don't know, run a charity. No,
you don't want them, Hunter Biden. Now, Hunter Biden, I
would have thought, like, mate, do everything you can to
not attract any attention at the moment, because your family
just looks ridiculous. No, no, Hunter Biden has decided to
do some more stuff. So he is now suing Fox

(01:37:42):
News because Fox News a couple of years ago to
a six part mini series on him and they basically
like imagined what would happen if he had a trial.
So it's a mock trial. It's a faux trial. It's
not real and they prosecuted him in this for charges
like violating bribery and foreign agent laws, charges he's never
faced in real life. He is not suing them for defamation.
He is suing them for unjust en Richmond, intentional infliction

(01:38:06):
of emotional distress, illegal publication of his intimate images, and
a violation of New York's revenge porn law, which just
makes me want to watch this now because what am
I going to see his?

Speaker 13 (01:38:16):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Anyway? He filed it in a New York court on Sunday.
It's just broken today. It's going to get news and
it's just going to make Hunter Biden part of his
dad's campaign again, as if his dad hasn't got enough problems.

Speaker 12 (01:38:28):
And it's the Shortland Street theme song to play us
out tonight, Heather, because like Paul Goldsmith was telling us before,
he's given it a lease on life, and he didn't
really make it clear whether he's a fan of the show.
He was very ambiguous on that, very professional, but yeah,
possibly a new lease on life from the new I
missed a track.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I should have asked him if he was into maths.

Speaker 12 (01:38:46):
Well, I was trying to hint that really subtly at
the start of the show. But I appreciate where.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
I feel like you should have while he was in
what because you can talk to me in my head
nobody else to hear it. You should have been like,
ask him about maths.

Speaker 12 (01:38:58):
So yeah, this is what the people want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
What we're looking like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Who's your favorite groom?

Speaker 12 (01:39:02):
Mind you? We have to save some material for the
next time weim on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Yes, absolutely, because he comes on basically the day at
the moment. Thank you literally for the last two days
as thank you. Great tune. Let's listen to it because
it might not hear it for long and see you tomorrow.
New s zv

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
It'sh for more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live

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