Full Show Podcast: 3 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
Duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
News talks be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Good afternoon. Coming up today on the show. As expected,
the government has ordered that inquiry into how wide or
were flooded. So the locals, of course, as you know,
blame Hawks Bay Regional Council. So we will be speaking
to Hawks Bay Regional Council after five Chris Lux and
the Prime Minister is traveling to the US for the
NATO summit next week. We'll speak to former NZ Ambassador
to the US Tim Grosser. And the government crackdown on
kyeing or order continues. Half the old board is out,

(00:33):
the boss has gone, got the new board today and
the letter of expectations at Chris Bishop will talk us
through it later.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now, if there is one area where I am constantly
and consistently impressed with what this government has already managed
to do its education. Today they've announced they're bringing in
standardized testing for kids, and that standardized testing will kick
in from the very first year that kids are in
primary school. The five year olds are going to be
tested on phonics, see how they're going in terms of reading.
They'll be tested after they've been in school for twenty weeks,

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and then after they've been in school for forty weeks.
You could basically stay halfway through the year and at
the end of the year, and then from year three
to year eight, so that's most of primary school and intermediate.
They're going to be tested again also twice a year
for how much progress they're making and reading, writing and maths. Now,
I would venture that there are parents up and down
this country absolutely stoked to hear this announcement today because

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good parents care about how their kids are doing. We
want to know are they keeping up, are they absolutely fine,
nothing to worry about in that area, or they struggling
a little bit. Do they need a little bit of
extra help. You want to know this stuff so you
could put the extra effort and if you have to,
And this is the way that parents are going to
know what's going on. Without testing, you don't know. You're

(01:47):
flying blind. You could be assuming Johnny's doing just fine.
Johnny might be like two years bind everybody else. I mean,
you probably have an inkling of it, but you might
not know the extent of it. I think, frankly it's
nuts that we have been flying blind on something as
important is our kids' education up to now. But anyway,
here we aren't about to get fixed. As I say,
I'm yet to be disappointed by the education ministers, Erica

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Stanford and David Seymour, the main ones, and what they're doing.
This announcement. This is great. The cell phone's out of
schools already demonstrating results, despite the fact that we all
mocked the idea for its simplicity. David Seymour's truan see
crackdown we just found out yesterday. Already parents are booking
less term time travel and more school holiday travel. And
then charter schools. Great idea from David Seymour again, because

(02:31):
not every kid learns in exactly the same way and
if they need something a little bit different to help
them out, that is what a charter school provides, something
a little bit different. And you know it actually works
because Willie Jackson personally runs I think a couple of
charter schools, despite the fact that his party opposes the idea.
So there you go. So for however you may feel

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about this government and other areas, just know that at
least an education. At least there they're getting some real results.
Wants the testing kicks in maybe even more results. And
it matters because education is one of the most important
things that we can spend our money on ever do
for see Ellen nineteen ninety is a text understand a
text fees aply and by the way, Eric Stanford's will

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Erica Stanford will be with us around about twelve minutes
past five now. Some glory of our leavers are preparing
to sue the crown for failing to protect them while
they were living in the remote Christian community. They are
claiming that some public servants knew that GLORIAVL was using
slave labor, but those public servants failed to do anything
about it. Lawyer Brian Henry is working on this case
and is with us. Now, Hi, Brian, Hi, how are

(03:37):
you well?

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Who are these public servants?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, that's the question. We don't know because you can't
get it under the Official Information Act. So we've had
to take court proceedings to identify the names of who
they are. And also we need to know a little
bit about what they knew and they didn't know they
had the knowledge.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Do you know, did you do you at least know
which department they work for.

Speaker 5 (04:03):
They were in a all of government committee, so they're
in a whole raft of departments. Okay, the wased that
in twenty fifteen, and as far as my people see,
they did nothing.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And how do you know that they knew that there
was slave labor.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Well, they got a lot of complaints from people who
will be my plaintiffs. And we've also got off ends
on a report that was prepared in the Department of
Internal Affairs. It's been redacted, so we don't know everything,
but we do know and we can see enough to
know that they knew about the witnesses or interviewed, they

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knew about the allegations, and they actually had a copy
of what we believed, because you can actually see slavery
in what we believe if you read it properly.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, Now, obviously it's one thing to have allegations late,
it's another to know for a fact that this is
going on. Which of the two is what they were
dealing with.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Well, we believe that when someone comes and makes a
serious complaint, that is called a witness, and when that
witness gives evidence in court, that is evidence and that's
how things are judged. You don't just sit back and
get a letter from what we say, are the slave

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masters saying oh no, no, no, we don't do that,
and just simply say no, we.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
Believe the leaders.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, obviously, even if there's an allegation, right, if
there's an allegation, and certainly if there are a number
of allegations that will mirror each other, there becomes a responsibility,
doesn't there to investigate did they fail to do that
as well?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Well?

Speaker 5 (05:42):
What we're saying is they had enough. They are required
to investigate. What they did was just entirely inadequate. You
just don't go to the potential criminal and say, oh,
did you steal that safe, and if he says no,
walk away. You actually go and evaluate the evidence, look
around further, look at the circumstances. And the big thing

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is what we believe is their community rules. It's not
a religious document. It is the community rules, and it
talks about keeping them ignorant, keeping them unworldly. And you're
talking about education a moment ago, and it teaches that
you only teach the kids and that to work in
the community, and you know, the education stuff around them

(06:26):
is partly wathful and just to keep on your same.
I do know the government's got a process in place
about whether or not they can keep being school, but they're.

Speaker 7 (06:37):
Entitled to have a proper process.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
So Erica Stanton seems to be doing the job as
far as I'm concerned, pretty well too.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, pretty impressive, Brian. Listen, if you guys were to
win this and you're looking for compo.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, how much?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Well, it's general damages because if you're enslaved and people
know you're enslaved, it just becomes what is the going
tariff for slavery? Well, at the moment, I haven't worked
to figure out yet, but we will work out a
figure and it will.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Be quite large. Yeah, well, you know you got to
start large because it only comes down from there. Brian,
Thank you very much, appreciated and best of luck with that, Brian.
Henry Gloria Ail's lawyer, Heather, what absolute rubbish from you.
Schools already test kids six monthly and do reports to
parents six monthly. Do some research, Jase. Honestly, yes, probably

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you're lucky because your school does that. Not all schools
do that. Some look, ninety percent of schools are doing
some just to illustrate that there was some research done
before I just opened my mouth and gave you some words.
Ninety percent of schools or thereabouts are doing testing off
some sort. The problem is there is a great variation

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between what the schools are doing. Some schools you lucky,
obviously your kids are getting them twice a year. That
is not happening at all schools. It is a sliding
scale of excellent levels of time testing through to virtually well,
not very much, and then it sounds like ten percent
of schools that just do no testing at all. And
the point of it is to standardize it so that
every single kid in this country, no matter where they live,

(08:12):
get the same awesome opportunities as your kids. You're welcome.
Joe Biden has scheduled his first TV interview since the debate.
Of the debate he's got, He's decided to sit down
with George Stephanopoulos on ABC, who's bit of a veteran
of journalism over in the States. Now, I don't know
that they haven't said, and this is I'm like, tell me, George,

(08:32):
when did you film When did you film what part
of the day, because I want to know if they
filmed between the hours of ten and four, because you
know that that's when he's got the leaf pass to
be able to go out in public, because before ten
o'clock he's still waking up, and after four o'clock he's
starting to wind down like that energize a battery ver bunny,
like fast deflating, because it's like he's got he runs

(08:54):
vampire hours, much like the opposite of a vampire. He's
only available during like absolute daylight hours, and then after
that he needs to go back into his coffin and
go to sleep. It's going to play out in the
States on Friday evening, so for us, it's really going
to be Saturday, and then the extended interview Sunday evening.
So far us, it's really Monday. And actually, did you
realize he doesn't he They have been like, really, they

(09:15):
have been keeping him on a short leash because you know,
you saw what happened at the debate. He has done
so few interviews, He's only done four. This will be
his fourth TV major TV interview this year. He is
almost as stingy with his interviews as Jacinda was when
she was running this place. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
It's Heather Duper c Allen Drive with One New Zealand
One Giant Leap for business US Talks.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
A be Darcy Waldergrave sports talk hosters with me, Darcy.

Speaker 8 (09:45):
I love to see someone rocking a turtleneck, Heather.

Speaker 9 (09:48):
It is great.

Speaker 8 (09:49):
I know it's radio and it's not visual, but this
brings me back to my misspent youth with a turtleneck
rocking around.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay, okay, listen, are you are you? Are you saying
this because you still they haven't come round, like you
haven't accepted that that call again.

Speaker 8 (10:02):
I don't even know what's call anymore. Okay, I'm a
fifty four year old man.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Is that the thing that you're doing right now? You're like, oh,
look at you wearing your little ladies.

Speaker 10 (10:09):
I like it.

Speaker 8 (10:10):
I'm just saying it reminds.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Me of my Can I ask you a question? That's
a question when I see young ladies at the moment
walking around in their Lululemon bootleg cut pants. No matter
how much I try, I just cannot get into it.
Because when I was eighteen years old, that was all
we wore was black bootlegs. And and so it's had
its day with me and I just can't love it again.
Are you having the same thing about the turtleneck? Because

(10:33):
you did it the first time around, you can't do
it the second time.

Speaker 8 (10:35):
I'm going to go and buy a turtleneck after that. Yeah,
he watched me roll the turtleneck.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, I'm probably going to have we talk about sport. Sorry, Okay.
So Liam Lawson, the red Bull head of driver Development,
wants him and what he keeps.

Speaker 10 (10:51):
Talking about it then sign it and thus built.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
But there is a power struggle at the top. And
the power struggle is Christian Horner, who loves Riccardo, and
I don't know if he can shift to one side
of because he was on shaky ground after that internal
investigation around his inappropriate snapchats. I believe there was with
someone within the team. But then you've got Helmet Marco,

(11:16):
who's like the brains of the opposition, who wants Liam Lawson.
He keeps reiterating this is a junior development team. This
is not a place for an old man today, and
Ricardo's that old.

Speaker 10 (11:28):
But he's been around the block.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
He's come out and said, I've told all the concern parties,
we're going to give him a seat next year. That's
as close as we've got so far.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Sign him.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
Oh no, he's got to the end of the year
and then if they don't, they they'll let him go
free because we've still got the season goes to Christmas,
it's up till December. It's a huge season, and I
think outside of this drama off the track, what we've
got after what happened to the weekend is a very.

Speaker 10 (11:56):
Upset Max fisht up.

Speaker 8 (11:59):
It's a bit d he's a bit rattle because suddenly
we've got a McLaren that's actually showing some real speed
and some real go. So you've got Lando Norris having
a crack. Max doesn't like it. He's doing the shoemaker,
he's got his elbows out. So the rest of the
season on the tracks looking fascinating, and off the track
it's looking fair.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Your take on it, do you think Liam Lawson actually
deserves it? Yes, okay, great, so we'll just watch. We'll
just watch for Christian Horner to get rolled on that one.
What are you expecting out of the All Black squad tomorrow?

Speaker 10 (12:26):
We don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, who's the first peck, first five?

Speaker 8 (12:31):
Well, I suppose they're going to go with Damien McKenzie,
which brings up another reshure is who do they put
inside of him? Now remember we have no Aaron Smith
for the first time in several decades, So they go,
are they going to run with Finley Kresty who.

Speaker 11 (12:45):
Sounds to be their goal?

Speaker 8 (12:46):
Tjpitty and Arra might be better off the bench when
there's a situation like oh, we've got a very tight
back area because like you know, we're squeezing. Oh my god,
and he could save the day. But Cort is the
guy who's been playing and the chiefs with Damian McKenzie,
so they have a combination there. So this is a

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guy that's coming up and I know he might be there.
And then we look at the Louis Ford trio. We
know Dalton Papule's going to be in seven Jumper, We
know that Addie Satha is going to be in the
trunk and the eight who comes in at six do
they get that raw boned gristle shoulders and everything else
of Ethan Blackadder and do they run a different mode
to that? And what happens in the Locke formation who

(13:29):
comes off the bench is at Jacobson and then the
wingers are Talaya fantastic winger Kayla Clark played great, but
what about sever Reese the most outstanding playing the Crusaders
all year and Scott knows what he's got, so lots
of interest around this team.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm so fascinated. I'm looking forward to it. Darcy, Thank
you as always, Darcy Watergrave Sports Storal Coastpart Back at seven.

Speaker 8 (13:48):
Chris Jones from the BBC joined us talk about the
English team after seven.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yayo twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather Dup to see Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and used to talk as they'd.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Be for twenty six. Heather, I think you also want
this testing because you want to know if your kid
is a little bit special and particularly good at school.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I didn't want to say that, but obviously you do,
because I mean, like any parent celebrates the milestones and things.
Oh you little genius. You managed to stand up. Now
you're managing to do the scooter, and now you're managing
to count to twenty, and you know like you'd take
a pleasure in it. But I was resisting saying that
because I didn't want to say, you want to know
if your child is a genius, because I was watching

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a child psychologist on the youtubes the other day and
he was saying, you've got to you've got to really
resist living your life through your child and like putting
all your baggage on them and stuff. So I'm really
desperate to just accept the child. However, that's just rubbish. Obviously,
I'm saying these things outlined. That's never gonna happen. I'm

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gonna sit there. My mum used to sit there. My
little brother's a fantastic piano player. Like he's done. He's
done like some like musical degree. I don't know whether
he did like weird jazz degree at Auckland University or whatever.
My mum used to sit there with him while he
learned his scales and piano going one two three four
one two three four. And that is literally the kind
of parent I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be sitting there

(15:11):
going that's a for apple, say it out loud, no
do it again. So yeah, I'm going to be expecting
his Erika Stan for tests to come back A plus
A plus A plus listen. Actually, speaking of scooters, I've
got to tell you about the scooter that's heading the
streets today, okay. And the reason I'm telling you about
this is because they brought it around for me to
have a ride on it today. It's only in Auckland.
It's only in West Auckland. It's only a new linen

(15:34):
surrounding suburbs, so this is very specific to the Westies,
okay of Auckland. But the thing about it is it's
interesting because you know there's little kids scooters that you
start them on before they go to the two wheeler.
They got the two wheels at the three wheelers, they've
got two wheels at the front and one at the back.
It's like a giant version of that for adults, which
is obviously much safer, which means all the drunk hoons
and also Simon bridges will be safe on the scooter

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honing around the place. But also it's remote controllable, so
if it's in the middle of the footpath, they can
move it through remote control. How cool is it? They're
with us quarter past five headlines.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
Your drive home.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Hither dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand,
let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
We were heather that last text, this is the one
about how all the schools are doing standardized texting every
six testing every six months. Anyky, So that last text
is rubbish because both my nephew and my niece, one
is in Wanganui and one isn't Todunger parents can't get

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any information on testing or how the kids are going.
It's absolutely appalling. So thank you yep. That's the point
I was trying to make now, as expected, because it
kind of Nicola Will has kind of let it slip
out ish on Monday, so we were sort of aware
of it. As expected, the government ordered a review into
whether Hawks Bay Regional Council is to blame for the
wide or flooding. Mike Mitchell was down there today and
he announced that they would be doing it. The reason

(17:02):
that people think that, the reason that the locals there
think that Hawks Bay Regional Council is responsible for it
is because every time there's bad where the Hawks Bay
Regional Council is supposed to get the local contractor, who's
a guy called Hamish Pride, supposed to get him in
there with his diggers and stuff to clear the bar
out and make sure all the water can flow out
as fast as possible. And to see the trouble is

(17:23):
he needs a few days to be able to do this,
and while they could see the bad weather coming, they
put him on standby on Friday, but then they didn't
tell him to get started on Friday. They only told
him to get started on Monday, and it sounded like
it was already halfway through the day by the time
they pulled the trigger on that, which means he only
had half of Monday and then all of Tuesday, and
then the bad weather hit on Wednesday, and he said,

(17:43):
was absolutely not enough time. We're going to talk, and
they listen. They are furious. The mayor of wide Or
is furious with Hawks Bay Regional Council. And unfortunately Hawks
Bay Regional Council has got form here because they stuffed
up the Cyclone Gabrielle thing really badly. Do you remember,
do you remember during cyclone Gabriell people were calling the
emergency management guys and saying, hey, looking a little bit

(18:05):
like the rivers is getting high? Should we be evacuating them?
Were like, you're overreacting. You are overreacting and then what
happened we were plucking people off the rooftops. Anyway, Hawks
Bay Regional Council is going to be with us after
five o'clock and talk us through that. Also other good news,
Mike Mitchells announced he's giving the wider Or community another
five Hundy thowl to help it recover. So they already
gave one Hundy thowl before since now total of six

(18:26):
hundred thoul. That should help them out very much. Twenty
two away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
The world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Rushie Sunak has wheeled out the big guns and a lapse,
last ditch attempt to save his party from absolute disaster
at the impending UK election. Yeah that Rushy would have
loved them, chanting for Boris and Boris was there. Bojo
made a speech at the Conservative Party rally.

Speaker 12 (18:50):
If you feel you've got a few thousand despair, then
vote Labor on Thursday. Go right ahead, make my day,
vote for Starmer. But if you want to protect our
democracy and our economy, then you know what to do,
don't you. Everybody, There's only one thing to do. Vote Conservative.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
At least one hundred and Sixteen people have died in
a crowd crush at a religious event in northern India.
We still do not know exactly what caused the crush.
Here is the Prime Minister in the Rendramodi.

Speaker 13 (19:17):
I've just received this sad news. We're getting reports of
many deaths in the stampede in Hatras. I expressed my
condolences to the families of those who've lost their lives
in this tragic incident.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
And finally, more like leave me behind. Because Sharon Corp
of the Course has had a dispute with budget airline
Ryan Air over her violin. She's the violin player obviously
in the band. She said on social media that she
wasn't let on the flight from Madrid to Dublin because
she had a violin with her. Ryanair says, now, that's

(19:50):
not what happened. The violin was too big to go
in the cabin and Sharon was given the option to
have it, you know, put in the hold as chick bag,
and she just needed to pay the extra fee for it,
but she didn't want to catch the flight. But she says, no, no,
that's not what happened. The violin is too fragile for
the hold. And she'd actually offered to buy at its
own seat, but they wouldn't let her.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
And as a result, what she then did was cried,
she said on social media. She cried and then she
went searching for her bags and that took her a
really long time, and all up she was in that
Madrid airport for seven hours. Happens to absolutely everyone.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
Heather, she produce.

Speaker 9 (20:28):
Laura says that she has definitely taken a violin in
the in the handletter be four and it fet just fine.
So I don't know what's going on here.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Why does that not surprise me that the nerdy producer
from Germany? Like could you be more German? She fluent
in multiple languages, and also she plays the valain obviously,
Dan Mitchinson, just what an overachiever? How annoying. Never talk
to me about your violin ever again, Laura, Thank you,
Dan Mitchinson US correspondence with me now.

Speaker 14 (20:54):
Hello Dan on the other end of the spectrum, Hello there, Heather.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Dan tell me you can only speak one language day, yes,
and I'm working on that every day. A normal person,
I appreciate it. Yeah, me too. I'm still working on English. Hey,
So Joe Biden's interview with George Stephanopolis. Now do we
know whether he recorded this during his optimal peak hours
ten am to four pm?

Speaker 11 (21:13):
We we don't.

Speaker 14 (21:15):
But that actually, you bring up a good point because
that's causing the uproar here. This is going to be
a taped interview, so it's going to be edited. As Stephanopolis,
in all fairness, is a great interviewer, he's also a
former Clinton aide. So there's already been accusations that all
the pauses and stumbles and whatnot that we've seen with
President Biden will be edited out. So you can imagine

(21:35):
what Republicans have been saying about this already, that it's
not going to be you know, fair or or balanced,
and that this whole thing should have been done live
instead of spreading it across you know, three or four
days and a number of news programs over here.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, fair enough. Now, so I'm struggling to understand how
this is going to play out. The extended interview on Sunday.
What's coming out on Friday, like just a bit of it.

Speaker 14 (21:56):
Well, they're going to do the interview on Friday, all right,
going to start airing bits and pieces of it on
the evening news and then on the Sunday talk shows,
and then on the Good Morning America program on ABC
on Monday. So I think we'll get our first taste
of what he has to say and how he's looking
and talking on on the evening News Friday night. But
they're going to sort of spread this out as much

(22:17):
as they can across the across the number of news shows,
and then Biden's going to do a press conference at.

Speaker 11 (22:24):
The NATO summit in Washington, d C.

Speaker 14 (22:26):
Next week, But you know, he'll take questions from a
number of reporters, but you don't know if those are
going to be pre screen questions or not.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Dan, can he undo the damage? I mean, every time
he comes out and you know, is performing an energetic
I suppose it allays some of the fear, But will
it ever allay all of the fear?

Speaker 14 (22:44):
You can't unsee what we saw during that debate, you
know that's the problem.

Speaker 10 (22:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (22:48):
I mean they're going to continue to show that over
and over and over again, and the Republicans are going
to use that in every commercial and every possible opportunity
they can. So, I mean he may have gotten a
little boost in some polls from that debate. People thought
he was more trustworthy than Donald Trump. But did he
come across better than Trump on that?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
No, No, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, fair enough. Listen, do you reckon that these rich
Americans who fled for New Zealand during the Adoing years
a coming bay?

Speaker 14 (23:15):
You know, it's interesting because what happened was that after
that that's debate. I mean John Stewart equipped on The
Daily Show that they he needed to call a real
estate agent in New Zealand.

Speaker 11 (23:27):
And this isn't something new because when Trump.

Speaker 14 (23:29):
Came into office, a lot of Liberals said they were
going to move to Canada, and you know, they practically
swore on a Bible. And I can't tell you a
single Democrat or Hollywood actor, a musician who followed up
on the threat. So when your former PM Jacinda Ardern
was in power, we saw more Americans born over there
in New Zealand. They say a thirty percent more compared
with five years earlier. But as we know, times have

(23:51):
changed in your country. You have a more conservative government,
the most that we've seen in a while. And I
think that's caught a lot of people off guard who
thought about moving over there by surprise, and that's got
people now rethinking, is this the political utopia and there's
being New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
No, that's right. They should go back, they should go
back and experience the Trump year is two point zero.

Speaker 14 (24:10):
Well, now they're going to Now a lot of them
are looking back again at Canada, or they're looking.

Speaker 11 (24:13):
South to Mexico right now.

Speaker 14 (24:15):
So let's keep our little secret of New Zealand, especially
done Eden, that little jewel at the southern part of
your island, Oh secret between us.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Love it day, Dan, Thank you so much, you always
wonderful appreciated Dan Bitchins in our US correspondent hither. If
you've ever experienced a landing with Ryan Air, which is
more akin to falling out of the sky, you would
understand why Sharon wouldn't want her violins stowed in the hole.
That's from Jonathan. Thank you. Barry, soaper is next sixteen
away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty, very.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Soper Seni your political correspondence with us now Barry.

Speaker 10 (24:44):
Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
When you were at school two hundred years ago, did
you have to do testing when you were at primary school?

Speaker 10 (24:49):
We did testing all the time and had report cards
all the time. And most common line that was used
for me is and I can't never understand why I
was is doing well but could do better?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
And did you mum look at that and think, oh jeez,
I need to try with that one? Just go on
your own themail.

Speaker 10 (25:09):
Well, I can't remember, but I think I did better.
I'm not sure, but I think it's a great idea.
I mean, from next year, all kids with in their
first year of schooling will have to run through a
phonics test that'll help teachers understand how well kids can
read by sounding out letters after twenty weeks of schooling,

(25:32):
and it'll be repeated after forty weeks, so that's in
their first year. I think these are great moves and
they should have been in place, I think long before now,
because we haven't really known as parents how well our
kids are doing progressively at school.

Speaker 11 (25:50):
There will be.

Speaker 10 (25:51):
Progression on monitoring of reading, writing, and maths, and that'll
be introduced for years three to eight, which is good.

Speaker 11 (25:59):
You you'll hither that's.

Speaker 10 (26:00):
A bit boring for you.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
No, sorry, oh, my gosh, not for on air, what's wrong?
Carry on?

Speaker 10 (26:09):
Yeah, And so it'll basically essentially help teachers understand how
well the kid's do, not only them, but they'll be
able to pass it on to the parents, and then
the parents will be able to take hopefully some sort
of remedial action at home to make sure their kids
keep up. And the objective, of course.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Is too so the teacher can right, because it will
also identify for the teacher who's falling behind.

Speaker 10 (26:33):
Yeah, well that too, and the government strategist to get
eighty percent of students at curriculum level by the time
they reach high school. Now, of course labors come out.
And Jan Tinetti, who used to be a school teacher,
she described the announcement as a step, a backward step

(26:54):
for education, saying that a number of students will be
left behind. Well, that may be the one would hope
that the parents would try and ensure that doesn't happen.
But she said that Erica Stanford has hell bent on
one size fits all in the education system. Well, isn't
that what education's about is to make one size even

(27:16):
be better than all.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I was hoping to address I am going to address
this later in the show actually, but I really keen
to know what you think about the story that emerged
on news Hub last night. It had also been on
Newsroom a couple of weeks ago about David Seymour apparently
getting in trouble for messaging kids eight years ago on Snapchat.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
My blood ran cold, and I thought, honestly, the thing
that I think annoyed me more than anything else was
the mother that said that there should be guidelines around
how politicians communicate directly with young people on social media.
Now the mother was blurred out, so she didn't have

(27:55):
the courage of the convictions to come forward and say
what she felt anymous. And then the kids, similarly, they
were now older, of course, because this was this occurred
in twenty sixteen, so and it was at a point,
I might say, when Snapchat was very much the vogue
social media go to platform and the ACT Party in

(28:20):
twenty twenty spent quite a lot of money with Snapchat
for their election campaign. So it was only right that
David Seymour was on Snapchat, and it was so innocent,
and what it denoted was what it suggested luridly, was
that David Seymour in some way was grooming young kids.

(28:43):
They loved getting a reply from a politician totally innocently.
It's telling them to look after themselves. I just think
it's disgraceful that the news Hub, in the last week
of its operation, came out with a story like this,
as though it's a damning story for politicians. Chris Bishop

(29:04):
was accused similarly back in two thousand and eighty of
replying to messages from kids. Well, you know, school kids
do go on to vote and they say, but an adult,
male politician and won. If it was a female politician
that had replied, if it was Julianne Genter replying to.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
School women aren't creeps?

Speaker 10 (29:26):
Oh is that right?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
That's well, that's the common trope, isn't it. Well it is, Hey,
very quickly, what's Shane Jones up to now?

Speaker 10 (29:33):
Well, Shane Jones is furious. He had some family competing
in a Kapahaka secondary schools competition last week and he's
furious because he, like a number of New Zealanders, can
speak Maori and listened to the wayatas that came with
these competing schools, and he said that he's convinced that

(29:58):
essentially the Kappa haka tutors conditioning these kids to be
anti government, And unfortunately, I said to show Shane earlier today,
I was talking to him and said I'd like the
English translation of some of these Wayarta by this time
that were on air. He hadn't been able to come

(30:20):
back to me in meetings most of the day. But
I'll no doubt see them what the interpretation was. But
it goes back, I guess to the hakka the women
performed with Pride and Wellington. I think it was wasn't
it that they were anti government as well? And honestly,
let kids make up their own mind. I'll tell you
one thing that he was furious at was that the

(30:43):
screaming across Parliament and essentially it's a well known Maldi
term that Maldi blood is wasted on you. Well, he
was furious at. Was the Parliament's youngest MP, Hanna Raffiti. No,
my Pie Clark. She's only she was born in two

(31:03):
thousand and two, so she's twenty two. She screamed at
Winston Peters that term that Mauldi blood was wasted on him,
and he said that is totally offensive to a man
in his late seventies from a twenty two year old.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Verry, thank you very sober, Senior political correspondence seven away
from five putting.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
The time questions to the newsmakers the mic asking breakfast and.

Speaker 15 (31:24):
As fair Digital News Marketing Bill going ahead, and we
have the second degree to disagree.

Speaker 11 (31:28):
Trigger pulled in the coalition, this time by act. David
semol was with us.

Speaker 16 (31:31):
I don't think many, if any people who voted at
want to see a policy that is based on the
Labor Party theory of economics.

Speaker 17 (31:38):
Need a company with some Let's take.

Speaker 16 (31:40):
It off them and it to someone else that might
support us. Which is all that said, It's not going
to solve the underlying and quite serious problems with media.
The issue is I don't think people want the product,
and if you start trying to subsidize by pulling down
other companies that are doing well, you're just delaying the
change that needs to happen that we need more journals
and we can actually trust.

Speaker 15 (31:58):
Back tomorrow at six am, asking breakfast with januine news
Talk ZEDB Hither.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
That story about Seymour last night was a very low
bar and news how Barry a spot on therehither regarding
the Seymour WhatsApp chat story of three hundred percent with
Barry's view, this is an example of telling New Zealand's stories.
And I can't wait for Friday to roll around and
so on. I'll deal with it in the next half
hour as well, because actually I had I had thought
that I wanted to talk to you about it. By
the way, on Biden, can I just tell you what
the latest story from Biden is. Biden has now admitted

(32:27):
that he nearly fell asleep on stage during that debate. Now,
if you watched the debate at the very start, like
in the first well, I want to say, like fifteen
minutes or so, he looks down and we were laughing
like that man is falling asleep. And then I thought, no, no, no,
we're being too harsh because he was looking down and
you know it looked like he was No he actually
we were right. He was falling asleep. He says it's

(32:48):
because he had jet lag because he'd been traveling before
the debate, and he said it wasn't very smart to
be traveling around the world. A couple of times before
the debate. I didn't listen to my staff and then
I nearly fell asleep on stage. But get this The
debate is on twenty seven June. His last trip ended
fifteen June, like two weeks beforehand, so that's some epic

(33:08):
jet lag that he was suffering. Hawksbury Regional Council.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Next, the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers, by the facts and give
the analysis. Heather due to Celum Drive with One New Zealand,
Let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Good afternoon. As we foreshadowed last night, the government has
announced today that it's launching a review into the flooding
and wire well last week. Locals reckon it's the hawks
Bay Regional Council's fault because they didn't clear the river
bar early enough, which meant that the water backed up
and flooded about two hundred homes. This was wird Lwa
Mayor Craig Little on the show last night.

Speaker 18 (33:51):
I just think they don't listen. They're above listening to
the public.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
What do you want? Do you want an apology?

Speaker 18 (33:57):
Oh gosh, yes, but vast for apology with no apology.
It's just like saying, well, actually nothing's wrong here now.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Doctor Nick Pete is the chief executive of hawks Bay
Regional Council. Heinek hi he So are they right? The locals?
Did you leave the clearing of the bar too late?

Speaker 7 (34:13):
I think that's going to be revealed with the government
inquiry that's underway and in our inquiries as well.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
What does your gut tell you? Because I mean the storm,
what was it? The flooding happened on the twenty sixth,
that's a Wednesday, and the friday before. You obviously knew
that there was bad weather on its way because you
put the contractor on standby, but you didn't order him
to clear the bar until Monday. Do you think you
left it too late?

Speaker 7 (34:37):
I think the guys that made the right calls with
the information in front of them. You need some really
specific conditions to open a bar, so you need a
really decent flow in the river to be able to
shift probably fifty thousand cubic meters of rock and shingles.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Was there not enough flow between Friday and Monday?

Speaker 7 (34:57):
No, there wouldn't have been enough.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Do you reckons that he could have done it?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Though?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Is he wrong?

Speaker 14 (35:03):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (35:04):
Look, I don't know that. Want to dispute it with
the mayor, but.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm not talking about the mayor I'm talking about the
contract to Hamish Pride, who's been working on that bar
for decades. He reckons you could have started him over
the weekend. It would give him enough time and it
would have worked. Is he wrong?

Speaker 7 (35:19):
Look, I think it's really important that we look at
that and understand that. And if that's what the review reveals,
then fine. But at the stage we've made the best
decisions with.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Have you gone to the lads who pull the pin
on this stuff are the ones who say, yep, go
clear the bar. Have you gone and talked to them
about what the river flow was like at the weekend?

Speaker 7 (35:42):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And what did they say?

Speaker 16 (35:45):
Yep?

Speaker 7 (35:45):
So the river flow on the weekend was too low
for the bar to break through, like.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
A line call or like really like massively too low.
Would never have.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
Worked too low at the weekend, but by by Monday
it was becoming clear that the amount of rain was
likely to be high enough to shift the bar. We
keep a lookout over months for opportunities to get the
bar moved and shifted across from where it's more constrained

(36:16):
to where it's got the river beerate.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Why is it not cleared all of the time like
it used to be.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
It's always been, as I understand, cleared as demanded. So
that kind of bar can shift I understand about a
meter and a half a day. So the river is
always wanting to go back to the location at the
far end of a lagoon, and we do work as

(36:44):
as is possible to shift it back to a place
where the river can et sit more easily.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
If it finds if this review finds Nick that you
guys were to blame for this, even just in part,
what are you going to do?

Speaker 7 (37:02):
Look, I think let's wait and see what the review says.
I think we've got a It's really important to understand
that there's a really complex interaction at a river mouth
between the sea, the water coming down the river, and
the potential for coastal.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I get that. But the reason I'll tell you why
I'm asking you this question because last time I talked
to you people on this show was after cyclone. Gabriel
and Mike Bush's report was pretty scathing of what you
guys did. In fact, you had people in your community
calling up and saying, hey, the weather looks really bad,
and they were told by you guys, you're overreacting. And

(37:40):
then what happened like Esk Valley was flooded and we
were plucking people off the rooftops, right. And what happened
after that when you were found to have failed is
literally nothing. Nothing happened. There was no massive mere culper.
You didn't go out and pay people compensation. And I'm
worried that if you'll found again to have dropped the ball,

(38:00):
nothing's going to happen.

Speaker 7 (38:03):
Just in terms of cyclone Gabriel, the evacuations that are
not done by the regional.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Council, it's not by emergency management. But isn't that part
of you do? You guys not run that.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
We provide the funding for it, but it's done on
behalf of all of the councils of Hawk's Bay, not
just the regional council.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Are its own fair enough.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
But so emergency management. So in that situation, nothing happened.
You have a hand in that, you provide the funding.
Hnue Ormsby, who's part of your team was fronting that situation.
Nothing happened. And here we are again with Hawk's Bay
Regional Council involved in some way. What's going to happen
if this time you are found to be in fact responsible.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
So look, if we've made significant mistakes in the process,
we'll absolutely take that on the chin and then look
at what we need to as a result.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
You apologize. Craig Wan's an apology, would you give them
one if if you are found to be responsible, look to.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
Say, let's see what the reviews say and you know
whether we agree or not with what Craig's saying at
the moment. I think it's really important and it's really
good practice after any event like this to review it.
You review your operational response, and you review why in
this case, why we all flooded. Until you've got that

(39:21):
information and you'd need to do it quickly. We all
sitting guests, so I think it's really critical that we
go through this process and as a result, really welcome
what the government's doing today.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Fair enough, Nick, thank you very much, and thank you
for turning up and talking to us. It's doctor Nickpete,
the chief executive Hawks Bay Regional Council Heather.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Due to cla how the.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Government's confirmed they're bringing in tests for school kids from
the very first year that the kids are in class,
So new year one students are going to be tested
twice in their first years just to see how they're
going with the phonics, and then from year three to
the year eight they're going to be tested twice a
year for progress on reading, writing, and maths. Erica Stanford
is the Education Minister.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
Hey Erica, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I'm well, thank you. Are teachers on board with this,
but we were.

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Really cautious and careful in our approach with us that
we want parents to have really good information about how
their children are progressing through school, but we also wanted
to make sure that we weren't putting more burden on teachers.
We've chosen tools that teachers already know, already use, and
we're going to be investing a lot of PLD to
make sure that all of the upskilling that we may

(40:24):
need to do in the center that we do over
the next year.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Is it fair to say that, given that ninety percent
of schools are doing this in some way already, there's
a level of acceptance from teachers and educators that it
needs to happen.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Well, Look, I absolutely think there is a level of acceptance.
Most schools are doing assessments and using tools, and they're
doing it in a really good way. But GERO have
been saying for a long time that there is no consistency,
we don't use consistent tools, and that while some schools
are using assessment data to inform practice really well, there
are many other schools who are doing it sort of averagely,

(40:57):
and then a number of schools who aren't doing it
very well. And so we just want to make sure
it's consistent across the country, and we'll put in resource
where it's needed to upscoo those teachers in schools to
make sure that they are using assessment data effectively.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
What happens if the kids are falling about behind, if
the tests show that they need a little bit of help.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
This is the whole purpose of assessment, because, as you know,
assessment on its own is going to do nothing. The
whole purpose of assessment is to make sure that early on,
as early as you can in year one, which is
why we're doing the phonics check. In year one, you
can tab those students who are not progressing as expected
and put that early intervention in place, which is what
we're doing with structured literacy in terms of our small

(41:36):
groups and one on one interventions. So these phonics checks,
for example, will trigger that early intervention. Currently we wait
till the kids are aged fifteen, forty percent of them
can't pass literacy or numeracy assessment, and then we go,
oh dear, we want to get to them in year
one and get them on the right track and say
to parents, this is how they're progressing. These are the
inventions we're putting in place. And because parents more knowledge

(41:59):
about how the children are progressing.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Yeah, good stuff, lover, Erica, Thank you. Erica standfor the
education minister. Right, we're going to talk about those weird
scooters next sixteen past five. Hey, next time you're outside
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(42:23):
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(42:45):
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for New Zealanders. So let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Heather duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Nineteen past five. A new kind of scooter E scooter
has hit the streets of Auckland today. This one is
a three wheeler as opposed to the two wheelers we've
got used to it and it can be remotely controlled,
which means that you can get it out of the way,
out of the middle of the footpath where someone's abandoned it.
The scooters are run by a company called Ario, and
Adam Musen is Ario's general manager.

Speaker 19 (43:24):
Hey Adam got to Heather, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
You're welcome. Things are coming in Now. Your scooters have
three wheels, kind of like a big version of the
Kid's safety scooters. Is that there to deal with drunk idiots?

Speaker 19 (43:36):
No, it's not there to deal with drunk idiots, but yes,
it is there to help people who have any challenges
with balance or with standing up period.

Speaker 20 (43:45):
Idiots though, isn't it make a least likely low I
can tell you I haven't had that as feedback, but
what I have had is a lot of feedback from
pedestrian and disability advocacy groups that are really impressed with
how these adjustments are going to improve safety and access
for everyone.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Yeah. I mean the safety and access. Safety obviously is
when you're on the thing and you gave me a
ride earlier and it is so much more stable than
general lime scooter or something like that. But the access
thing is about people just you know, parking them on
the footpath blocking the footpath. You can't get your pram passed.
You can actually log in remotely, can't you, and move
it away?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (44:23):
Absolutely, And I think there's two layers to that versus
the traditional model. One is knowing that they're poorly parked
at the moment. Traditional scooter companies are hoping that the
rider will take a photo and if they take a photo,
that it's actually a usable image and not just something
that's blurry or zoomed in their shoes. And then if
if you have the image, okay, what are you doing

(44:45):
with it? And then lastly are you able to address it?
And if so, how long does it take you? With us,
we don't ask the rider to do that. The scooter
will take three to six degree image and depth information.
If it's not complet client or considerate parking, then we'll
get notified in our warehouse. We can remote in move

(45:06):
it a couple of meters so it's out of the way,
so we know more often and we're able to deal
with it really quickly. We're not dealing with competing priorities
and sending someone across the city in two or three days.
We're dealing with it in minutes.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
Yeah, brilliant. So you guys are only in Newland at
the moment. That's the permission you've been given in West
Auckland and the surrounding areas.

Speaker 19 (45:24):
Yeah, so we're really excited that Auckland Council's.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
If it's a hat you'll be able to go everywhere,
won't you.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (45:30):
So they've given us a license for what they call
Tier three of the outer city suburbs. We've started with
new Land specifically to support the transport hub there and
we're going to be expanding over the next couple of
weeks with the view in the midterm to look after
the whole city from November. So we're busily applying for
a license to manage the full city in Auckland and

(45:52):
christ Church right now.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah, good stuff, best of luck with it. It's a
really great idea. That's Adamyerson, general manager of Ario, New
Zealand five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Heather Dup to c Ellen, cutting through the noise to
get the facts. It's Heather dupericy Allen drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Haha, Heather. Are they going to be able to remotely
remove those scooters when they're submerged in the sea around
the Auckland waterfront. Yes, there's a weird thing. Apparently people
pick up the e scooters and throw them in the
water all the time. I guess it's like sticking the
road cones at the top of a high high thing.
It makes absolutely no sense to a sober person. But
when you've had two or three sherbets great only five

(46:31):
to twenty five. Now on David Seymour, let's talk about it.
I think David Seymour has reason to be really upset
about that story that was on news Hub last night,
and actually, for that matter, the similar story that was
on Newsroom, dot co dot nz at a couple of
weeks ago. If you didn't catch either of these things,
the gist of the story is that back in twenty sixteen,
when politicians were still using Snapchat regularly, it was a

(46:51):
thing for school kids to message politicians and see if
they could get a response, and so some of the
message David and he responded. And now they're in their
twenties and they're complaining about it now. The important thing
to know is that they all stress that nothing untoward happened.
He did not say anything weird, he did not behave badly.
He only responded with innocuous things like no, I can't

(47:14):
come to your party, but you guys, have a great
night and be safe. But now that they are adults,
they still feel uncomfortable about it because they don't think
that an adult politician should be messaging kids. Now, let's
let's just let's just get this straight. The kids who
initiated the contact, who admit that he did nothing wrong,

(47:35):
and now complaining because he messaged them back, which is
why they messaged him in the first place. They now
complaining that he responded to them. And these are kids
who are apparently old enough to have been on Snapchat.
Now this is nuts. I mean, this is not a story.
And worse than that, let's be honest about it. It's
worse than that because these stories are insinuating that David

(47:56):
Seymour is a creep. No one's saying that out loud,
but that is the dog whistle that is being sent
in a news item about an older man messaging school
age kid. Shame on them for that. I know that
there was at least one other media outlet who got
the same information, looked into it and made the responsible call,
which is not to do the story because it is
not a story. When media companies wonder why they're losing audience,

(48:17):
they might want to think about stories like this because
it's very hard to respect outlets and journalists who pedle
this kind of a hit job without any evidence of wrongdoing,
only insinuating, which the point of it only serves to
insinuate creepiness when there is no evidence now short of
some evidence emerging to show that, in fact, David Seymour

(48:38):
is the creep that they are insinuating that he is.
I think he has every right to be really really
upset about those stories. Together do for Sea Well, welcomes
away in on at nine two nine two, that's the
text number. We're going to talk to the Hudd about it.
This evening, got Matt Heath and Jack Tame standing by
for that. Tim Grosser, former ambassador to the US, is
going to be with us very shortly on Chris Luxon

(48:59):
going over to the US for that NATO summit. I
want to know whether he's going to meet Biden and
with a Biden will stay awake. And also I want
to know whether he's taking the Air Force I suspect
he's not going to take the Air Force plane because
there is absolutely no point in doing that. I mean,
you can if you can jump on a commercial flight,
you may as well. And they've got some American correspondence,
so it's not like they need to slip the media
over their media going to cry about it, sad face. Yeah, anyway,

(49:23):
that's going to happen very shortly. News talks by.

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Speaker 3 (49:52):
When I'm standing by to have a chat to. It's
very shortly that Heath and Jack's hey, get a loaded.
This apparently AI is now being used to develop and
discover new medicines. Deborah l Amby of Milford Asset Management,
who's regularly on the premem, she's going to be with
us later. She has just come back from a trip
to the States to actually see how they're using AI.
Like it's like a kind of like we use it

(50:14):
for chat GPT, you and I normal people, but they
use it for like medicine GPT. Anyway, so she fascinating stuff.
She's going to talk us through it when she's with us.
At six twenty five, hither I had Jasina Aardun and
my salon When she was the labor representative for Auckland Central.
Another client asked if she would reply to her twelve
year old son's questions, three of them to be exact,

(50:34):
which she did graciously. Was that also grooming or just
a politician responding to a young inquiring mind? Can we
stop this nonsense? Please? Hi here that Jacinda Ardun used
to reply to kids on Facebook. She messaged my eleven
year old daughter back, Ben, thank you. But the difference is,
of course, ladies are not creeps. Men are. That's the trope.
Twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
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Speaker 3 (50:55):
Minister Chris Luxen is headed to the US next week
to attend the NATO Summit in Washington, where he's going
to meet with members of the US Administration and Congress,
and then he's also going to head over to San
fran to promote business and investment. Tim Grosser is the
former New Zealand Ambassador to the US and is with
US now. Hate Tim, good evening. Do you reckon he's
going to get to meet Biden.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
Well, I'm sure he will shake his hand, but I
don't believe for a minute there will be enough time
for President Biden to have a separate bilateral given the
number of leaders that will be there from NATO countries
vastly more important than US, But I still think it's
a terrific thing that he's going there, and I can't
think of a more tense or important time. So I mean,

(51:36):
let me give you my overall perspective. I mean, the
rest of the visit is all I mean. I would
use the term boilerplate, but that's some negative. I don't
really mean that. The key issue is what is going
to be able to perceive amongst the other leaders of NATO,
given the confluence of the huge strategic threat from the

(51:56):
Ukrainian situation and the resurgence of Donald Trump's chances winning
the presidency. If you give me two or three minutes,
I'll elaborate on those things. So we start with I'll
try and keep this basic. You know, the NATO existed
after the War to protect European security. It's been a
fantastic political success. It was aimed at the then Soviet

(52:18):
Union and then that became Russia. And the core commitment
technically is called Article five. What it means is you
formerly the Soviet Union or Russia attack any of our
members and it's an in tank on all of US,
and US includes most importantly, the United States, doesn't include
New Zealand.

Speaker 20 (52:37):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
So this kept the peace in this ghastly Faustian bargain,
you know, attack US and face nuclear armageddon for seventy
five years. And then Putin decided to invade first prime
year in twenty fourteen. I was stuck in Moscow at
the time, the exact time that's happened, but that's another story.
And then in twenty two, twenty two, his tanks and

(53:03):
his troops invade Western Ukraine, the most serious threat to
European security for seventy five years. Now Ukraine is not
a native member. They'd love to be, they never will be.
And the reality is that the fantasy of you know,
Boris Johnson, lez Trust and co. Of total defeat of

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Russia now two plus years on, is now clear to everyone,
even if nobody's worked out a way to say it
in public. And that's the underlying issue. And then along
comes Donald Trump's resurgence last week. So go back to
I think twenty sixteen, just after I was appointed ambasador

(53:45):
in Washington, Trump made a statement that basically said Russia
has no longer a threat, and then he went a
step further. I think in either twenty seventeen or twenty
eighteen by actually questioning whether the United State dates would
validate Article five, the mutual deterrance central component of NATO.

(54:07):
And I went to this. So he went there, and
there was shock and horror throughout Europe when he basically
left it ambiguous. And I went to a catch up job,
a massive, elegant black tie dinner for about six hundred people,
and all the Western ambassadors, including me, were invited at
an elegant hotel in Washington, and you know, all the

(54:30):
great and the good Stoltenberg, the then Secretary General of
NATO and all came up to say, the support of
the United States for Article five and for the defense
of Europe is unquestionable. And Mike Pence, who's then still
the Vice president and on Donald Trump's stide, got up
and said the same thing, and there was dead silence

(54:51):
because everybody is thinking what I'm thinking. It doesn't matter,
mister Vice president, what you think if your boss has
just said this that can't be repaired by a gloss
over show like this, blank tied dinner.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
And so is this the threat of Trump winning a gain?
Is that we go back into this particular the possibility that.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
That's my point exactly my point either. And I think
that our Prime minister, I mean, you can receive as
many briefings as he likes from foreign policy experts people,
you know, like I was in the past, but he
really has to go and hear it amongst the leaders
have to make real decisions. And I mean, I don't
know what your take on the debate is. While there's

(55:32):
a massive cover up. That's what is very clear to
me from a series of brilliant analyses that I've read
in the last forty eight hours and a few conversations
I've had with friends in the United States still deeply
inside the political process, this has got to be played out,
and the chances of a second Trump presidency have increased

(55:54):
by some factor. Nobody can say quite what please that you.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Say that, because that's quite obvious to ever. I please
somebody with your expertise and your years and politics sees
it as well.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Tim.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Thank you, I appreciate it. Tim Gross, a former New
Zealand ambassadors to the US, just on what Tim was
just saying about Ukraine not joining NATO next week when
NATO meets. According to the Telegraph, Ukraine is going to
be told it is too corrupt to join NATO, and
it's so it's not going to be able to seventeen
away from six.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
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Speaker 3 (56:26):
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Speaker 11 (56:32):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I'm very well?

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Thank you, ok, Matt so on the David seymour yarn
about him messaging the kids. What do you think?

Speaker 15 (56:38):
I think we need to stop treating men like they're
all creeps. It's the sort of sexualization of everything. Sometimes
a man that's an adult can talk to a child
and it has absolutely nothing to do with anything sexual
or creepy. Otherwise, what kind of world are we saying
where adults don't ever talk to children, We'll.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Just adult men.

Speaker 11 (56:58):
Well, yeah, adult men never talk to children.

Speaker 15 (57:00):
And not so long ago would have been seeing quite
wholesome and that a politician was taking the time out
of their life to talk to a young person. That's reach,
you know, like back in the day, if a politician
had written back in fact, I wrote a letter to
a politician when I was a kid and got the
letter back and I was really stoked. There was nothing
creepy about it at all. And so I think people

(57:20):
that are saying this is totally partisan, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I think so, Jack. I think it's irresponsible to even
run a young like this where there's no evidence of
any wrongdoing, but you're just hunting the guys a creep.

Speaker 7 (57:29):
Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 17 (57:30):
It's like, what's the story.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
The second sentence in all of these stories is there's
no suggestion that anything was inappropriate. It's like, oh great,
it's my story. That's it. As far as I'm concerned.
I when I first saw this, I felt just deeply
uncomfortable about the reporting because it's the insinuation. It's the
inuation that something inappropriate has happened, whilst at the same
time saying, well, but nothing inappropriate has happened. I'll tell

(57:53):
you what would have made it different, I think, and
that's if a politician in David Seymour's position had instituted
the conversation, like if he had reached out to a
young person their social media, not the other way around.
By all of these from all of the reportings, just
that these young people have reached out to David Seymour
and that he has responded by seeing them an entirely

(58:14):
appropriate message back. So I just, yeah, I think the
reporting is absolutely bordering on being irresponsible personally, because because
you know, nothing inappropriate has been suggested. And if we
get to a point where really no politician can respond
to anyone under voting age, I think that's the pretty
sad situation for our democracy.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
Most of us men are actually pretty good people. We're
actually across the board.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Of increase civics education. Are we trying to increase political
mouse and young people are trying to sage young people
more in the political process, right, so in the same breath,
we're getting them not to talk to politicians. It's funny.
I think about my own interest in politics, and I
can plot it right back. I can still you all
remember getting visited by David Carter, by Rod Donald, by

(59:04):
Ruth Dyson when I was in school, when I was
like eight or nine years old. I can remember they
were MP's in our area and they came and spoke
to us in school and it sparked in me an
interesting politics. And I just think we're really at risk
of policing something for which there's absolutely no subjection whatsoever
that anything in appropriate has happened.

Speaker 15 (59:22):
Yeah, Well, David Seymour came to my son's intermediate school
and had quite a good discussion. My son came home
to school and he talked to their class and he
had quite a back and forth with David.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Seymow And to snapchat message, I didn't go, oh.

Speaker 11 (59:38):
What was he talking to you about? Freakat? It was
like a politician talking to a kid, and I thought.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Buddy, great, yeah, absolutely what access. Hey, listen, we'll take
a break, we'll come back and just to take us
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Speaker 3 (59:54):
Matt Heath and Jack Tame Jack, what do you think
about these standardized tests for primary primary school age kids?
You into it?

Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
I actually have no problem with it, and I don't
really understand that the arguments against it other than teachers
are stretch. And I'm not denying for a moment then
that teachers aren't stretched at the moment, but you know,
I mean, from what I can understand it Basically, the
standardized tests are designed so that parents have a good
understanding of how their child is progressing. That's how they're

(01:00:22):
intended to be introduced.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
The Education Minister herself has said that there were some
issues with national standards when they were in place, But
from what I can see, I don't think these are
going to be so stressful or so onerous that they're
going to have massively negative consequences. But of course, the
proof of the puttings in the eating it all depends
on how teachers actually rolled out this testing, and you
can you can imagine how in some classroom environments it

(01:00:46):
might be a bit more stressful for some kids. And
I suppose that's where we're relying on the talents of
teachers to try and make the stress out of it
and just give parents an understanding of where their kid is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
At that did your kids have them?

Speaker 11 (01:00:56):
What did you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
What did your kids have the test?

Speaker 16 (01:00:59):
Don't?

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Did you have the match?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Were?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
You're not even interested?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I didn't have the mess.

Speaker 15 (01:01:05):
What I remember from my kids being at primary schools
a while ago now, so I can't remember there's seventeen
and fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
It's not that long ago.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
It's long ago. For me, I can't remember, but I
do remember.

Speaker 15 (01:01:14):
And you talk about teachers and their time was I used
to be the one that picked the kids up from school,
so I've been waiting in the front of the class.

Speaker 11 (01:01:21):
And there's a certain type of parent.

Speaker 15 (01:01:22):
That goes into the class at the end of school
absolutely punishes the teacher for information on how their kids going.
Is that you no, on the on the I was
the dad's just looking for shoes and make sure that
all the socks and shoes got.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
I'm fascinated by this. You're not into it. You're not
interested in whether they're learning all the stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:01:39):
No, what I'm saying is this actually the teachers.

Speaker 15 (01:01:41):
If the teachers can go look, we've got a quantified
information on how your kids are going without really concerned
parents really really has.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Something after class, you know, absolutely.

Speaker 15 (01:01:50):
But also you know, the sooner we can identify problems
with kids, the better. There's no point in trying to
work it out when they're fourteen or fifteen and the
horses bolted. I mean that multidisciplinary study out of Dunedin
was even saying we need to find it out in
the first three years, in.

Speaker 11 (01:02:04):
The first you know, before school.

Speaker 15 (01:02:06):
So the sooner you find out that a kid has
a problem and you can identify that and help them,
then then the better.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Absolutely, Jack, what about Biden's jet lag excuse?

Speaker 17 (01:02:17):
Oh, it's just hopeless.

Speaker 4 (01:02:18):
It's just absolutely hopeless. I mean, it's just honestly, they're
just gaslighting people. But he doesn't have a problem. I mean,
is it's actually insulting to support it to everyone who
wants that, because you're expecting people to somehow not believe
what they saw unfold in the most calamous style over
ninety minutes. I think it's insulting. And here's the thing

(01:02:39):
I'm not denying for a moment that Biden hasn't had
a tough schedule. He's been back and forth over the Atlantic,
He's had all sorts of things to try and juggle.
That's what being president is like. Yeah, I'm sorry. If
you can't keep up with the schedule right now, then
why are we to expect that you can continue to
do this for the next four and a half?

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
Tears right is right a Jack's rights light, it is,
and it's been happening for the longest time. You know,
American press, the MSNBC, CNN was saying it was a
hoax that this was going on, and people cutting the
footage together of him to make him look, you.

Speaker 11 (01:03:11):
Know, discombobulated and stuff previously had ninety minutes there was
with no edit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
It was him, and it was Heim and Obama just
stopping for applause, not him freezing on stage.

Speaker 15 (01:03:21):
Yeah, and then I mean, I didn't hear a word
Trump said because I was just con totally transfixed with
the screen that Biden was in his facial expression. So,
I mean it's bolted now, and I'm not sure what
they can do about that. I mean right now the longer,
and I don't know if they can get rid of them.
It's incredibly complex. Kimilla is a problem. Karmela is a problem.
But boy, oh boy, it's it's you couldn't have set

(01:03:44):
up a bigger freaking disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
What times to live in a How good we're town
our grandkids about this stuff, aren't we?

Speaker 11 (01:03:50):
It's concerning.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
It's brilliant. Hey, thank you very much appreciated from the
pair of you, Jack Tamer, Matt Heath. How huddle this
evening seven away from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart and in your car on
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Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Here their own g Since we removed all the stress
from our little darling's lives and stop them learning how
to win and lose, they've become unable to cope with
adult life. This is very true, right, since you started
helicoptering them and being like, no, dann darling, don't come
down to the slidew Facts' not darling, you might fall
on a little plastic mat. Oh No, since you started
doing that, they're not coping with life. You've got to
let them do the things that you did. Fall learn

(01:04:30):
fail do all the stuff we do them ato service,
expecting so little from the That's right. So here the
why do the bloody left not want kids tested? Is
it some warped ideology? Paul? Actually I can answer that
question for you, because remember I talked about this a
couple of weeks back on the show, or maybe a
little bit more so. I was fascinated by this, so
I went to have a look. Why is it that
the unions in New Zealand oppose it? Well, it's because

(01:04:51):
the unions around the world teaching unions oppose testing, which
is why labor opposes it, because they need the money
from the unions. And the reason that the unions oppose
it is because once you start doing the testing, you're
going to find out quick smart who's a good teacher
and who's not a good teacher. And the teachers are
terrified of that because what that means is it starts
to break up the idea that all teachers are the same,

(01:05:11):
and you got to pay them all the same, and
they got to all be under the collective agreement from
the union. And the minute you start to think, oh,
maybe we should teach, we should pay the good teachers
a little bit more, suddenly the unions lose the members
and start becoming less relevant. This is about unions preserving
their own place right. They don't want you to see
how well the kids are doing and how good the
teachers are versus the ones who are crappy. Anyway, we're

(01:05:31):
going to talk to Chris Bishop next because the government's
just announced the replacement board for kying or order. You'll
remember five of them quit earlier in the week. Got
the five names. I'm going to run you through it shortly.
Also set out a new letter of expectations. The top
priority is financial sustainabilities, so Chris Bishop will run us
through the details. Did you know did you realize that
the reason that tennis balls are yellow is partly because

(01:05:52):
of days David Attenborough. They used to be either black
or white and when the TV went to color back
in the late sixties. He was working for the BBC
at the time and they were trying to figure out
how to make the viewing experience better and he was
one of the people who came up with the idea
of using a yellow tennis balls tennis ball, and then
by nineteen seventy two they were introduced into the rules
of Tennis by the International Tennis Federation because they were

(01:06:15):
more visible to viewers. Wimbledon kept using the white bulls
because of course Wimbledon, because Darling, It's tradition, all the
way through to nineteen eighty five, but the white bull
was getting stained by the greenrow grass and impossible to
see on the TV, so eventually they finally gave in
nineteen eighty six the yellow bull And that's all we know,
isn't it brilliant? How good David Attenborough News talks 'bud, you've.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Been track of where the money is flowing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Evening. How was AI helping to develop medicine? Well, that's fascinating.
Deborah Lamba of Milfabaset Management on that very shortly genative
straineye on why Nikola Willis is not so on independent
checks on government spending and how much can your boss
see of what you do on your phone? We're going
to try to answer that question before this hour is
out right now at seven past six. Now, the crackdown
on coying your order continues. After the resignation of the

(01:07:12):
five board members and the chief executive this week, five
new appointments have been announced today along with the new
letter of expectations in which financial stability is to be
the top priority of the board. Remember last year Coyinger
Order ran a five hundred and twenty million dollar operating loss.
Chris Bishop is the Housing Minister, high Bish, good day.
Are you expecting these guys to get back into surplus?

Speaker 16 (01:07:31):
Are you?

Speaker 18 (01:07:33):
I'm expecting them to eliminate losses ki Or has been
running multimillion dollar deficits and those were forecast when we
came into government to get worse, and so we are
expecting them to eliminate losses. Financial sustainability of the organization
is extremely important. This is a forty five billion dollar
Crown company at houses said, well, it's got owned about
seventy thousand houses around the country. Very important that it

(01:07:55):
operates effectively and efficiently, and so that's our real focus
and that's why we've refreshed them in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Order to do that. Do they need to potentially raise rents?

Speaker 18 (01:08:05):
Well, it's a conversated financial picture in the sense that
they get operating funding for their rents from the Crown
through a thing called income related rents. So yeah, your
average coin or or a tenant pays twenty five percent
of their income and rent and then the Crown tops
up the rest. So it's very extensive for the government,

(01:08:27):
but of course we do that because there are a
whole lot of people out there who can't afford the
private rental market and they need access to good quality housing.
That's why we own kin Or, and so that's why
it's really important it operates effectively and efficiently because it
houses a lot of very vulnerable people and we need
it to be operating in a financially sustainable way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah. But I mean, given as you point out that
they are designed to basically give people a really really
good deal on rent, how are they going to get
back into surplus? I mean, it's not like that. They're
not a profit making organization. So what would they do.

Speaker 18 (01:09:01):
Well, they can reduce their overheads and they can cut
the costs, and that's what the independent review suggested they
should do. And their build program is also something where
I would like to see them make real efficiencies and
savings as well. I mean, I would be contacted by
builders who build for kind or or probably on a
weekly basis, around and around some of the extra costs

(01:09:23):
that kind of or imposers that the private sector will
just never impose, for example, And so we will be
asking the board to cut costs and work efficiently and effectively.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
So are they are they going to be able to
build any more houses? They allowed to build anything?

Speaker 18 (01:09:38):
Yes, They've got a big build program underway right now.
They'll build around four eight hundred homes over the next
year or so and a little bit beyond that as well.
So they have a big bill program and they also
have a retrofit program. They've got a very aged stock
of houses lot built in the nineteen fifties and sixties,
kind of coming to the end of their life. They've

(01:09:58):
got big challenges to of their stock, so got retrofit
and maintenance program underway as well. So fundamentally they are
a very large company and a very large landlord. We
want them to focus on being a good landlord, look
after your tenants, and we want them to focus on
growing their stock and doing so in a financially sustainable

(01:10:19):
and efficient way as cheaply as possible, housing people in need.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Are they allowed to grow this stock because my reading
of the leader says no net new growth in KO
social housing places from GUS.

Speaker 18 (01:10:34):
That's the situation at the moment, while we demand a
turnaround plan from the board to cut their costs. So
we have not given them any extra funding beyond the
thirties of during twenty twenty five, so that what they're
building at the moment is what's already been funded. We
are not giving them giving KLIM or any new funding
for extra places beyond cities of June twenty twenty five.

(01:10:54):
We funded the community housing sector instead, so groups like
a Merge and The Salvation Army and are some of
these other community groups. They will be building social housing.
So there's still a pipeline there, and kine Or has
still got to build pipeline themselves. But we want to
get the new board in place, a new chair with
Simon Moves, a refresh board of extremely experienced people. We've
demanded a turnaround plan from them, which will come to

(01:11:16):
ministers towards the end of the year. Once we've considered
that turnaround plan, we will then consider future funding for
future building. But it's very important that kind of or
exists in newsy One. They provide a very important social
and social service and a very important safety net.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
For many people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Tell me something, Okay, So Andrew McKenzie was obviously Simon
Moota didn't deny the fact that he basically told Andrew
McKenzie to quit. Did you guys not have any confidence
that Andrew McKenzie could actually do these things or was
it that he was just too tainted from all the
other stuff he had already stuffed up?

Speaker 18 (01:11:46):
Look, it's not a question for me. My relationship is
with the board and particularly the chair of Kinda or
employment matters around the actual staff at kinl are matters
for the board.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
But fair enough, I suppose Chris Bishop, thank you very
much for the time. Always appreciated Chris Bishop of the
Housing Minister.

Speaker 10 (01:12:03):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So the five people who've been appointed to the board.
Arihir Bennett, who is the CEO of Teru Nanga Ungai
Tahu or has been for almost twelve years until I
think it might have been March or thereabouts this year.
Jen Bestwick has been the Chair of the Tertiary Education Commission.
Also a government appointed board member at Antarctica, New Zealand,

(01:12:25):
Utter christ Church Politech, Polytechnic Southern Response Earthquake services to
Tourism in New Zealand and so on. Heaps of board experience.
Alan Dent who was a partner for twenty six at
Deloitte in zed Peter Jeffries who was the manager at
the Community Refuge Trust a Housing a community housing provider
in Auckland. I think it's kin Win McNeil. I think

(01:12:47):
is the pronunciation of Kinewin's name. Panel member of the
Panel for the Independent Review of Kying Orders. So did
it alongside one of the three people who did it.
It was Bill English and Kinwin McNeil and somebody else.
As well who did it. And then Fiona Mules who
was on the Kayinger Order Board from January twenty three
to February twenty twenty four when she resigned to prevent
any perceived or potential conflicts of interest with any other

(01:13:08):
advisory work back on it. Now also a director of
Rural Livestock in z also previously a director of the
Reserve Bank of New Zealand and Kiwi Rail, So lots
and lots of board experience, so you know, you'd have
to say you'd have a reasonable amount of confidence that
these people understand governance. And then there's a little bit
of community housing perspective on there as well, which is
pretty handy. I would have thought, listen, just how things

(01:13:29):
how tough things are in you know, the economy at
the moment, and I'm still hopeful. I just want to
remind you, I'm still hopeful. We're going to get a
cut this year, so things are gonna it's going to
be it's darkest before dawn. But when we get that cut,
it's just going to be full tilt on the spending
because people are going to suddenly see we're in the
right direction. But on how tough it is at the moment.
This is how tough it is to sell cars right now.
It's the worst June for selling new cars in more

(01:13:52):
than ten years, down sixty percent. That's massive on last year.
But to be fair, last June was a record because
of the clean levies and stuff were coming in. These
are the cars, These are the top cars in the country.
Number one Ford Ranger that's right ute. Number two Toyota
High Lux that's right ute. Then you got the Toyota

(01:14:12):
Rav four. Then you've got the Mitzi Triton, another yute,
Mitsubishi Outland and Mitsubishi Asx, Suzuki Swift, Kia Seltos, Hyundai Kona,
Hyundai two.

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
So on.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
The reason I'm telling you every time it's a ute
is because justin To tried so hard to get us
to stop using the utes, didn't she. But we love
the ute, And as I've said before, my next car
is going to be a ute. And that's not even
being spiteful, like it's just handy with children, isn't it.
Chuck all the bikes in the back, chuckle, the wet
stuff in the back, no problem, and then everybody that's
clean in the front, the dirty ones at the back

(01:14:42):
obviously quarter past crunching.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
The numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic Ellen
with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR
platform for SME on us talksb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Hey, I've got to get you across why we're going
to talk about what your boss can see on your phone?
Because I'm fascinated by this. My boss told me one
time what he can see on our phones, and I've
passed it on to every single staff member. But anyway,
I'll tell you about that in a minute. I'll tell
it in a minute. Eighteen past six. Now the government
is being told it needs an independent unit to make
sure government spending is sustainable and to check cherry treasury
forecasts and so on. Vast majority of OECD countries do

(01:15:17):
have this kind of institution, but the Finance Minister isn't
so key. The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Jenetive trainees with us,
Hey you name hey hev. Why doesn't she like the idea?

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Well?

Speaker 21 (01:15:27):
Nikola Willis reckons that the Treasury does a good job,
and also that the oversight provided by the Order to
General is good enough, although it could be beefed.

Speaker 10 (01:15:37):
Up a little bit.

Speaker 21 (01:15:38):
Niicola Willis is open to establishing a new unit that
checks political parties' policy costings. You know, this is something
that we've talked about quite a bit because you know,
every election, parties come along and we end up getting
all tied up and whether their promises stack up in
terms of the money, and you know, that's potentially a
distraction from us actually discussing the po So she is

(01:16:01):
open to that, but she's not, you know, particularly exercised
to you know, progress something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
So would this just be an agency that has a
look if the government says we're going to do the
following thing for this much money, it checks it over
and goes, yep, that's reasonable. Is that basically what it
would do?

Speaker 21 (01:16:18):
Well around the world. These sorts of institutions have different mandates,
so some of them just do that. But what the
OECD reckons and also someone who did a big review
of our budget processes, they believe that we need a
sort of more broader institution that checks the Treasury's forecast,
you know, checks that the finances are on track and

(01:16:39):
also checks the political party's costings. Now Cameron Bagriy, an economist,
Allisses might might have heard a bit from he made
a point in a column recently. He noted that the
Treasury at the budget assumed that in the future our
productivity growth would be pretty high, like thirty year average high,

(01:17:01):
but recently our productivity has been super low. So he
raised the point that if our productivity growth continues to
be as low as it's been in recent years, we
should forget about getting the books back and surplus. So,
you know, I thought that was quite a good point
that Cameron made because the Treasury's modeling is based on
the assumption that productivity growth is going to improve, But

(01:17:22):
what if it doesn't improve? So this is the type
of thing that the experts reckon. A independent unit could
shed some light on interesting stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Jana, thank you. I really appreciate it. Jennet tip Trainey,
The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Hither there's a new KO
block next to my apartment. My two bedroom is fifty
five square meters. Their one bedroom is seventy square meters.
Our hallway lights are on motion centers sensors to save
money when they're not needed on theirs are on twenty
four seven, So there is a lot of money that

(01:17:53):
could be saved at KO. Jonathan, thank you. That's a
very fair point, Heather. Apparently, yellow is the easiest color
to see, which is why the tennis balls are yellow.
The cop fans in South Africa are yellow. For that
is that the stripes on our cop the are stripes
on our cop cars yellow as well. Do you want
do you actually want to see a cop car? I
don't want to see the cop car. They freak be
out and I've got that they're not coming for me.

(01:18:15):
Now listen to this, Ocay. It was this case in
the last week or so of Ministry of Justice officials
getting busted referring to an academic by the B word
that rhymes with which because they didn't like her, because
she was hassling them with information Official Information Act requests
all the time as part of her PhD recess, just
getting on their tits anyway, So they got busted on

(01:18:35):
teams saying this is like a teams is like a
teams is like a thing like you can it's like
a workplace conversation thing or whatever. I don't use it.
I don't know anything about this stuff. I've got time
for it, but other people do. And they were saying
these nasty things about her, and they got busted because
she asked for she made a request for through the
Privacy Act for information or whatever it was. Now, presumably
they thought that the stuff that they were saying on

(01:18:56):
teams was private, but it wasn't. And that now sparks
a bunch of questions about how much your boss can
actually see of your messages. And it's actually more than
you may think so your boss, if you are, depending
on what the situation is. But if you're like me
and your boss not only pays for your phone but
has actually given you the device, they can probably read
your emails and your messages. Now I'm not sure if

(01:19:17):
they can like just log in remotely and read them.
I'm not sure if that's the thing that they can do,
or whether if they say give me your phone, I
need to look, whether I'm obliged to hand it over.
I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes outsiders can also
see what you've been up to if they make a
request under the Privacy Act. So if I was to
send a message to Violin playing multiple language speaking German
producer Laura, and I was to say, oh, that Chris

(01:19:41):
Bishop is such a babe, Hey, you could ask for
that under the Privacy Act and see that I said
that to her, So there's that. Okay, you're to be
aware of that, obviously, as using Christ Bishop as an
example because we've just spoken to him, not because he
was four of my mind is like a sex god
or anything. There are some exceptions, like if you're having
a legally privileged conversation with the lawyer or your boss

(01:20:04):
or whatever, there's some information that could lead to the
disclosure of somebody else's details. The boss can't see that stuff,
then that and blah blah. Anyway, my boss said to me,
and I might get in trouble for telling you this,
but I don't really care. My boss, I do care
a little bit. I'm just trying to ask cover a
little bit by acknowledging this is but naughty. But anyway,
he said to me, he can see that if we're
he can see if we're watching Paorn on our phones.
So that suggests to me. And I don't know if again,

(01:20:27):
I don't know if that's real time or if it's
like he goes back and searches through the history. I
don't really know. And I don't know. I don't know,
but it sounded like you watch the porn. He knows
pretty quickly there after you've been watching porn. Ah, how
creepy is that anyway? So as a result it's not well,
how worried should you be? We're gonna have a chat
to employment lawyer Joe Williams before the end of this
program just to get us across all of what we

(01:20:48):
need to know about what you're doing on your phone.

Speaker 9 (01:20:49):
I think hither as well, after a conversation where we've
talked about Chris Biship and whether he's attractive in porn,
I think the boss is definitely going to be going
through your emails.

Speaker 7 (01:20:56):
He wasn't doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
There's probably a thing that alerts him right now that
the word pawn has been used and sex god as
a phrase. What do you think? And he's getting a
ping right now and he's logging onto my phone. Hold on, yep,
he's the curses. Yep, there is Hello Jason six twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
News, talks that'd be must be a slow day for
someone to be watching porn on their work device and
saying that that's how one of the colleagues got the sack. Well,
there you go, Sonny. And also remember you take your
work device home with you, right, so you go home
with the thing and then you can tito away happily
on that. Okay, listen, as you know, news hubs news
programs are going to end on Friday. This is the
AM Show, the News Hour, the five point thirty news

(01:21:42):
bulletin on the channel that used to be Prime, which
is now called Sky Open. They've got we've got the
schedule of things that are replacing them. I'm going to
rang you through something quickly. Okay, this is what if
you're an AM watcher. This is what's replacing AM between
six and nine in the morning. A rerun of a
home renovation show called Bones, then a rerun of a
home renovation show called Hometown. Then a reality competition series

(01:22:06):
called Spring Baking Championship. That's pretty bad. There's more to come.
Stand by.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due
to see Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,
the HR platform for SME on us talksb.

Speaker 11 (01:22:24):
Stuff working, Did your truck great?

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Did your birth?

Speaker 15 (01:22:28):
Through my diner, it's fun house.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Here are those TV shows you just rattled off sound awesome?
You wake to hear the rest of it, though, stand by,
I'm when we get to it. Gavin Gray is gonna
be a US and ten minutes time, of course for
the latest in the UK election, which is what like tomorrow.
Let's go first to Bilford Asset Management Deborah Lambie of course,
high Deborah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
Hi, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Thank you? So how was AI being used to discover
new medicines?

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
So it's interesting. I'm just recently back from a US
trip visited over forty different global health companies, and one
of the themes that really stuck out to me was
actually just how excited companies and investors are about the
potential of AI to transform the drug discovery process. And
that's the process that identifies new molecules that have the
potential to be used as a medicine. So artificial intelligence

(01:23:17):
models that you or I might use, these are trained
on language and generate a language output, and a good
example of this would be chat GPT, but then there's
also drug GPT. I mean, this is an example of
an AI model which has trained on huge data sets
of known molecules and its output is to help discover
new molecules. And then this is really exciting because it

(01:23:38):
has the potential to make the drug discovery process much
faster and cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yeah, why is it that the traditional drug discovery process
is so time consuming and expensive?

Speaker 6 (01:23:48):
Exactly so, for a medicine to be approved for use
in patients, all medicines have to go to the time
trimming and expensive process of completing phase one, phase two,
and place three clinical trials to demonstrate a medicine is
both safe and importantly effective in people. And this cost
on average over two billion dollars per new molecule and
takes on average around ten years. And then the success

(01:24:11):
rate isn't great either, with many medicines not making it
all the way through the process and in fact, on
average only around seven percent of molecules make it all
the way through from phase one clinical trials to approval.
And so if artificial intelligence can help bring costs of
drug discovery down, that can only be a good things,
given that governments and healthcare systems all around the world,

(01:24:31):
including here in New Zealands, are dealing with increasing costs
of healthcare.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
So right, yeah, how is it actually doing it. How
does AI bring down the cost and the time of
developing these new medicines.

Speaker 6 (01:24:40):
So it's really complicated to design new molecules. And what
we're seeing is that artificial intelligence can go to the
design process of new molecules approximately ten times faster, and
then it can run simulations or testing on those molecules
about one hundred times faster compared to traditional labs. And
this reduces the time and the cost involved in developing

(01:25:02):
new medicines. And so if we think about how companies
are doing this, you will heard of the concept of
self driving cars. Then in the world of farmer there's
also the concept of self driving labs. So these labs
are using artificial intelligence and robotics combined to run a
cycle of kind of prediction of new molecules, experimentation on

(01:25:22):
those new molecules, and then analysis of those molecules to
identify most promising compounds that are then tested in the
real world.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Who are the companies the main companies who are involved here, So.

Speaker 6 (01:25:33):
A good example another company that helps with self driving
labs so US company called Betton Dickinson and it's leader
in lab automation systems and its technology can take out
around a third of the costs of a traditional lab.
And then on the drug discovery side, what we're seeing
is a number of AI focused companies are partnering with
big pharmaceutical companies. So, for example, there's a UKAI company

(01:25:56):
called Benevolent Ai and it's partners with AstraZeneca, which is
a large farmer company, and astra is using its platform
to find new ways to treat disease and personalized medicine.
To patient Deborah, this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Stuff is absolutely fascinating, isn't it. Thank you so much
for talking us through this, Deborah Lamby, Milford Asset Management,
Heather do right, how about this. If you have a
habit of using colorful language or slagging people off in
your work emails or your work chat on the phone,
you better be careful because your boss might be able
to see more than you think. Two Ministry of Justice
staffers got in a bit of trouble for calling an
academic the B word in some Microsoft Teams messages that

(01:26:31):
have now been made public under the Official Information Act.
Joe Williams is an employment lawyer at Duncan Cotrell.

Speaker 6 (01:26:36):
And with us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Now, hey, Joe, a very well, thank you now for
the purposes of this discussion, my boss pays for my
phone and gives me the device, can he read my emails?

Speaker 17 (01:26:49):
In a word, yes, unless there's an agreement otherwise. Essentially,
the work owns the device, they pay for it, so
they're entitled to access it just as.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Any other tool of trade without telling me.

Speaker 17 (01:27:05):
I think you'll often see workplaces in terms of delivering
these devices to staff and giving them to you, that
there will be some expectations setting around that. But ultimately
you have to assume, yes, that there's going to be
fair game for employers accessing essentially devices that they own
and data that they are own. Again, unless there's been

(01:27:26):
an agreement otherwise, or if there's been particular areas of
the device carved out that are private.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
What about if you are running on your work supply
device a private Gmail account, can they access that?

Speaker 17 (01:27:38):
Yeah? So this is an interesting one, and I can
say I've done this as well on my work devices,
as I think a lot of people do. In terms
of an employer going into your personal Gmail accounts and
things like that, I think that potentially would be seen
as invasive, But the simple point is, if you want
to make sure it doesn't happen. Then just be a
bit guarded about your own data privacy and the logging

(01:28:00):
out of those accounts on work devices. Ultimately, you don't
own them. You can't be in total control of who
is going to access the stuff.

Speaker 18 (01:28:09):
That is on them.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
But you're making it sound like they are able to
access things remotely, like potentially while you're not aware they
are logging on and going through your apps. Is that
what's up?

Speaker 17 (01:28:23):
I think it would depend a bit on the capabilities
of a business. So, you know, large corporates with sophisticated
IT teams, you know, I wouldn't be surprised. And often
there's a very good reason for having an IT team
remote onto someone's device to help them out with an
I issue. For example, smaller smaller businesses where you're talking

(01:28:44):
giving a small teams and funds to you and things
like that, I'd say it's less likely to be that
active monitoring. But ultimately, if the employer owns the device,
they do have an entitlement to the data that's from it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Fascinating, Okay, So that would mean basically that it's everything
that you do on your device, if you're sending text messages,
they'd be able to see if you're accessing websites like porn.
They'd be able to see that stuff, wouldn't they.

Speaker 17 (01:29:08):
I mean, to a degree, the porn question is interesting,
I'd say yes, and it's probably never a good idea
in the first place to be doing that sort of
thing on a work device. But in terms of private
text messages, I mean, there is a line there in
terms of a reasonable expectation of privacy, and again there
there's been a degree to which an employer would be

(01:29:29):
criticized for intruding into that. But again the simple messages.
If you don't want to have to deal with the
situation where that's happened, just be a bit guarded about
your data privacy in the first place, and you won't
get into hot.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
Water fascinating stuff. Joe, thank you very much. I really
appreciate it. Joe Williams, employment lawyer at Duncan Control. Okay,
here you go, So I told you am show is
going to What did you just learn from that? What
did you learn? Use a Berna phone? Which is why
you use a Burna phone, don't you? Ants? As long
as I've known, Ants always two phones so that he

(01:30:03):
can have his private email accounts that's incorrect.

Speaker 9 (01:30:05):
Hither, I just have one phone, it's not a work phone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Did you forego them paying you? Did you forego them
paying your phone bills so that you would have absolute autonomy?

Speaker 9 (01:30:15):
I'm a paranoid nutcase either. And there's a thing with
the work emails where you put them on the phone
where they can remotely wipe your phone if like, which
they need in there so that they can make the
emails work. And I was like, no, I don't want
the company to be able to wipe my phone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Did you read that in your contract or something like that.

Speaker 9 (01:30:29):
Yeah, well yeah, it's when you install the app. It's
in the big list of terms. And can yell paranoid?

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
And this is the kind of guy answers.

Speaker 9 (01:30:35):
Let me just put the phone back and it's Faraday cage.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
He wrap it with a tin foil first. Don't forget that.
This is why Answer is the one member of this
team who has read the updated version of the broadcasting
standards like whatever, whatever guidelines or whatever I have to
say to ants often on a day, Answer, am I
allowed to say that word that starts with And he goes, oh,
absolutely not, that's top of the list.

Speaker 9 (01:30:56):
I'm going to say, what's the answer usually to that question.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
No, if you have to ask, Heather, don't say it.
Thank you. Anyway we're going, I'm going to come back
to it. I'm going to come back to the TV
shows in a minute. And obviously Gavin Gray's with us
next sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
US talks B.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
They don't need to access your phone to read your emails.
They can do that from office three six five Admin tools, Jeff,
thank you. And actually I've made it quite easy for
them to be able to read my emails because I've
deleted all the spamy stuff and it's just like the
only things in my email account. As I've told you,
nothing's unread and it's all just important stuff. So whatever
they're looking for they'll find very easily. Thirteen away from
seven Gavin Gray, the UK correspondents with us right now. Hey, Gavin, Hi, Gavin.

(01:31:41):
So we are seriously talking now about the possibility that
Keir Starmer, the most boring man I've seen in ages,
is going to outperform Tony Bleir's landslide.

Speaker 22 (01:31:53):
It's looking that way. So the polls open here for
the general election in twenty three and quarter hours. So
very exciting stuff. But the last most recent opinion poll
from a very very well respected Polster group is that
the leader of the opposition is on for a massive landslide.

(01:32:16):
They are predicting that out of the six hundred and
fifty seats in Parliament, the Keir Starmer's Labor Party will
win four hundred and eighty four. Now that'll mean that
they then possibly have a massive, massive majority of over
three hundred. I mean normally, when Boris Johnson got elected
in he won with a majority of eighty people were

(01:32:38):
amazed at that. The idea somebody's going to get in
with a majority of over three hundred is stunning and
deeply worrying for the Conservative Party, the party of power. Indeed,
according to this opinion poll, these latest figures anyway, suggest
that the Conservative Party, Rishie Sunac's party may be down
to just sixty four MPs. Now that'll mean some very

(01:33:00):
very big names just disappear off our political map and
it means that they are only just the second biggest
party so the Liberal Democrats normally who are you know,
in the past really really suffered, particularly following the coalition
with David Cameron's government, would get sixty one, so only

(01:33:21):
a little below. Of course, all these are just forecasts,
they aren't accurate votes. But they were done on thirty
four and a half thousand different interviews with people up
and down the country. And yeah, the big question is
what will happen tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
Yeah, Now, obviously there has been a little bit of
a problem with the polling in the UK and the past.
Do you think they've got on top of it? Im
in these poles completely trustworthy.

Speaker 22 (01:33:45):
I think the thing is with British people is we
quite like to be a bit naughty and do you
know what at the moment, I don't know anyone who
would really tell me that they're going to vote Conservative.
I think there's a little bit of an era of
embarrassment about it. Certainly, I've never seen fewer Conservative posters
going up around, you know, outside people's housing and so forth.
I think it's the fact people are just embarrassed to

(01:34:07):
admit it. But many are saying there's such a bad
choice between the two main parties. They probably feel they
might be compelled to go for something less palatable.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
Yeah, I understand that. And speaking of elections over in France,
more than two hundreds of the left wing candidates have been.

Speaker 22 (01:34:22):
Withdrawn, have they Yeah, so on Sunday it's the second
raft in the French election, and these of course the
votes for the parliament they have there. What's very interesting
is that as we approach the second round, it normally
goes down to three candidates in each constituency, and normally
that means you get a centrist for the left winger

(01:34:44):
and then the right wing Marine Le Penn's party. Now
the far right parties we know did incredibly well in
the first round and it has now really put the
scarem tactics on the others. They the other parties are saying, right,
in a three way race, we want one of the
candidates of the left or the center to drop out

(01:35:06):
and throw their support behind the other left wing candidate
in order to keep out the far right. So we
believe that some two hundred and maybe more of these
three way races are becoming two way races instead, and
that I mean that it's going to be a very
very interesting, significant runoff vote on Sunday to add for

(01:35:29):
that spice, the far right parties stay unless they get
an overall majority, they are going to refuse to appoint
a leader a prime minister. It looks like they might
be slightly faltering and waving on that. Actually in a
recent radio interview that the outright intention which we leave
French politics in a complete hole and really a constitution

(01:35:50):
on night Man, nobody quite knowing what's going on. So
they are trying to strengthen their support. The left wing
are trying to coalesce the different parties to strengthen their support.
Either wait, interesting time ahead. Keep a note in the
DARI for Sunday and those exit polls.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Yeah, I mean for political geeks. This is quite a week,
isn't it. Gavin, Thank you so much appreciated and good
luck with the election tomorrow. That's Kevin gray Are UK correspondent, Heather.
I can assure you one hundred percent that your boss
can view all of your emails, texts and any website
that you view, et cetera. I'm only an SME owner
and I've done it, maybe not legally, Michael, thank you

(01:36:25):
for your honesty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
It away from seven, whether it's macro micro or just
playing economics. It's all on the Business Hour with Heather
Duplicy Ellen and my HR, the HR platform for SME used.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
Talks it b hither you this is fascinating, This is
really this is fascinating, and this is the news you
can use hither. You can just upload your contracts and agreements,
like your phone agreement with your boss or whatever, into
chat GPT and then you can ask any question you like.
It's going to save you a ton of time and
brain power. So if you want to know if your
boss can have access to whatever it can leat, you know,
in a matter of seconds you could say something like,
what does this agreement say about my privacy and how

(01:37:00):
I can protect myself? Great for housing contracts, Thank you.
I just gonna put lawyers out of business, isn't it? Okay?
Here we go. So this is what's replacing the shows
being pulled off TV three, The news shows, AM Show,
as I told you, is going to be replaced every hour.
It's going to be one home renovation show at six o'clock,
then at seven o'clock on another home renovation show, then

(01:37:20):
a reality competition that sounds like a baking baking championship
or something. Then from nine o'clock in the morning to
ten thirty it's going to run infomercials, and then at
ten thirty they're going to rerun as a reality series.
So it's like the fourth three run of the Morning.
That's Monday to Friday, so the Saturday, then on Saturday,
oh okay, no, then sorry, wait then the news, the

(01:37:43):
news Monday to Friday is going to simply be replaced
by the news that stuff is going to make okay
at the weekends, though, the news is going to go
down from one hour to half hour, so that will
be stuff produced news for a half hour on Saturday
and Sunday. Six thirty on Saturdays, brand new episode of
bond I Rescue, Yes, bond I Rescue, You Can't Wait
six point thirty on Sunday, David Lomas investigates rerun. That's

(01:38:04):
actually a fantastic show, but it is a rerun over
at Prime, which you know is now called Sky Open.
The half hour News is gone, Pawn Stars, Pawn Get
your Mind out of the Gutter. A rerun is going
to be on Monday to Friday. On Saturday, a new
episode of Diners, Drive Ins and Dives and on Sunday,
Rugby Nation, which is normally on at five o'clock, is

(01:38:25):
the sports talk show is going to go to five thirty.
Now that's the future. That is the future of linear
TV in this country is just reruns, like it's basically
going to be. It's just going to be like chucking
things in there, like all of these old reruns of
all these other programs that you've never watched the first
time around, because who wants to watch that much? Home
Reno that's going to be wall to wall what they

(01:38:45):
just like like a cheap cable channel basically.

Speaker 9 (01:38:48):
And Boy with Love by BTS to play us out tonight.
Jin from the Korean group BTS has just finished his
compulsory military service with the Korean Army, so he is
going to be going over to France to part in
the Olympic torch relay. Apparently South Korea get to put
a delegation in there to you know, carry the torch
for a little bit, and he's gonna be one of
the ones who does it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Why bid He's come out of that buff day.

Speaker 9 (01:39:08):
Oh yeah, absolutely, and hopefully he's learned some things about
aerodynamics and stuff so he won't make the same mistake
how Prime Minister did when she put the bloody thing
out back in two thousand and she didn't. Yeah, remember
she was running down the steps of Parliament, Helen Clark,
and she ran with the flame into the wind and
the flame went out. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully there's a
tip for you, Jen, if you're listening, don't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
I didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
About that, but I enjoyed that. Hey, thank you. AD's
appreciate it. All right, we'll see you tomorrow and enjoy evening.
Here's tigs IV, but not.

Speaker 11 (01:39:31):
Touching and nut that touching back and we'll spend that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Goodle an inn goodle.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
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