July 4, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Kiwiblog head and Curia pollster David Farrar and former Health NZ chair Rob Campbell joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Housing Minister has announced a raft of changes designed to fill urban areas with development land and remove council powers to mandate boundaries and standards. Do we agree with these changes? How will we cover the hidden costs?
Consumer NZ has called for a ban on sunbeds, after an increase in young or vulnerable users putting themselves at risk to use them. Do we agree with this?
Joe Biden has dug his heels in and refused to drop out of the presidential race, despite growing calls from the Democrats after last week's debate. Do we think Biden can hang on until November?
Do we agree with Razor's All Blacks squad picks ahead of their clash against England?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle of this This evening got David Farrakuria Polster
obviously runs Kiwi blog as well, and Rob Campbell at
Chancellor former Health New Zealand Share.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello lads, Hello y Rob.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are you feeling about? It's your first time?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You're nervous?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, yeah, there's two people like here. I'm very nervous.
I'll just struggle to try and get through that to JK,
sounds like it will help me If I can't, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
David will be gentle on you. David, what do you.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Make less nervous than?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh, everybody's less route nervous than Razer this week, even
Biden's less rute nervous than Razor. Listen, what do you make,
David of Chris Bishop's plan to flood the cities with
more housing.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I am a huge fan. And the reason then is
there's a Metra and I've been seeing it for a
few years. You have to build both up and out.
You can't just do one. If you just do urban
sprawl when you don't tenpify won't work. If the intense
to five that you don't allow more growth won't work either,
(01:06):
And that is like, it's actually prolifically husky does because
you really may see house prices stop here, things like
getting rid of the minimum size as the balconies might
not sey eighty thousand dollars top apartments. But also I
really like that Le's saying. Yeah, everyone's saying you need
to plan for thirty years of growth, but the key
(01:27):
difference is they're now saying, don't just release a couple
of years at a time. Release the thirty years now,
because that actually should see lamb pips stop. So we'll
see how it goes. But I'm it's very very possible.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The wrinkle in all of this, well, there's a bunch
of wrinkles, rob, But one of the wrinkles is who
pays for the infrastructure underneath those developments. The developers say
they don't want to, but if a push came to shaft,
do you think they would, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Some developers would have the economics stacked up. But it
is a crucial issue. It's one thing to sort of
throw those regulations in space wide open or further open.
It's another thing to have the infrastructure in place that
can support that, and that's a problem not just out
on the fringe of our cities a place like Tarmaki,
but it's an issue in the inner city as well,
(02:14):
where it's all very well to say the infrastructure is
already there, but the infrastructure is stuffed. So there's a
much bigger issue facing the government than just this kind
of loosen up the regulations around the place and everything
will be all right. That's simply not true.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do you feel rob about shoe box apartments?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well, I don't think Chris Budgett lives in one. I
certainly don't. And you know, there's a role for relatively
small apartments, but there's some pretty small ones built. Again,
talking mainly about the city in Turnkey, where I live,
there are some pretty small ones built and they don't
leave very satisfactory living conditions for lots of family types.
Now for some people living on their own, may be
(02:55):
for small families maybe, but I don't think we sold
our housing crisis by building a lot of tiny apartments,
or indeed by checking portable homes on the back of sections.
There are some sort of short run attractions to that,
but it's not a way to address good healthy living
standards for our growing population.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, David, I'm okay with it because I've lived in
a tiny apartment and I know it's just a temporary thing,
right you just it gets you on the property ladder.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's a key lot. No one I think
would say that you spend forty years within a tiny apartment,
but for people their first home to get there when
you're single and you're working late and you need a
place to crash. I know some very actually quite well
off people who are really tiny houses because they prefer
(03:44):
that it's actually easier to maintain. Two key is that
you want to make sure you don't end up with
people stuck in these thought for decades and decades.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's a fat You've got to watch this idea of
a property ladder too. People forget that ladders go up down,
And it's one thing to get into some of these
places and think that you're on a property ladder going up.
But you've got to remember part of the logic this
is to drive house prices down, so people buying these
things now are not on any way entering into a
ladder that's guaranteed to always go up.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, we'll certainly we're seeing that at the moment, aren't we.
That's a fair point, all right, guys, will take a break,
come back to you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Short lived the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,
unparalleled reach and results.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Back of the Huddle, Rob Campbell and David Farrell. Rob
our consumer wants us to ban some beds, should we.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm not a fan of some beds, I've got to
say so. I certainly wouldn't care if they were banned.
So it's not something that excodes my mind a heck
a lot. Really, if you can afford town a sun
bed and you're stupid enough to have one, I don't
have a big problem with it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
David.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't use these things either, but I figure if
if it brings you happiness, if it makes you happy,
what might tan? What tan do you think I've got
in the middle of bloody when I.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yes and actually said, I think you're stupid if you
use sunbeads. They go health for us. But people have
the right to be stupid. People want to take the risk,
and you know, do as long as the institutions that
provide them are following the law, especially you. But concerning
(05:22):
what consumers said that some young people will.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Have been about to Yeah, that's illegal.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
That comes down to enforcement.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, totally, Robert. I don't know if you know this,
but because you were once running Health New Zealand, I
expect you to do you do they do you get
vitamin D out of a sun bed?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Oh? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's for clinical question. I have no idea. I certainly don't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I was trying to find a positive and hey, listen,
what do you reckon, Rob Is Biden going to quit
after the last twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Look, it doesn't look to me as if he is.
I mean I watched this with the same kind of
horror and fascination that most people do like this. But
you know, I think it looks like they are actually
going to both go to the polls and it really
will be a very, very tough thing for anybody to
walk into a voting booths and have to pull one
of those leaders.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I've changed my opinion, David, I reckon, he's going.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I actually think he will go. You have to keep
defending him and saying, of course he won't go right
up until the second a different decisions made. But what
I see is how can they change the channel from this.
It's such a big thing that making some jobs announcement
won't do it. Trump being Trump probably won't do it.
(06:38):
So they can have weeks or months of people looking
and every time he stumbles it's going to be major news.
So I think in a week or so, as the
poles come in and they're looking pretty dismal, he will
go as captain.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, and also rob because he has got no room
for error. If he makes even one mistake and it's
like months that he has to get through one mistake
that looks like he's going scene, that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, Look he's sitting in a very exposed position. He
came forward to lose too many more rounds. But you know,
I have an abiding belief in the overwhelming and continuing
stupidity of a lot of electoral systems, way beyond when
you think they should be able to do better than
they do. They go on, and I think this is
an example of one that could well do.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
David, you a Rugby fan, of course, Okay, do you
think it was the right call to put Demo in
over body?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I do think that is.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think so Jaka touched on that lot. If you
do go off and play club rugby in Japan, you're
not going to be at the same level as when
you've been playing super rugby. Nues I think he'll actually
still play. I think they won't bring him on as
an impact player, but I actually think you do want
those incentive there for people to be playing New Zellan
(08:03):
super rugby. It's not to punish them. If they go
off and do club rug be great on them, but
you need to make sure they're on this pot.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah what about you, Rob, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah? Look, I'm all was a bit disappointed when the
all black teams are read out and my name's not
in there, but I've gradually got used to that over
the years. So honestly, whoever raised as all back on,
it's the exact opposite for me to like if we
when we appoint a cabinet, I just regard that as
an opportunity to get stuck into a new group of people.
(08:34):
But when when we appoint the all black team, I
couldn't really care if Raser appointed the entire Crusader's team
as the All Black so I'd still support them. I
wouldn't be happy, but I'd be there.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I love that. I love that blind faith in him.
That's awesome. Hey, guys, thank you so much. David Farah
and Rob Rob Campbell a huddle
Speaker 1 (08:50):
This evening For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeart Radio ou
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle of this This evening got David Farrakuria Polster
obviously runs Kiwi blog as well, and Rob Campbell at
Chancellor former Health New Zealand Share.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hello lads, Hello y Rob.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How are you feeling about? It's your first time?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You're nervous?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well, yeah, there's two people like here. I'm very nervous.
I'll just struggle to try and get through that to JK,
sounds like it will help me If I can't, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
David will be gentle on you. David, what do you.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Make less nervous than?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh, everybody's less route nervous than Razer this week, even
Biden's less rute nervous than Razor. Listen, what do you make,
David of Chris Bishop's plan to flood the cities with
more housing.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I am a huge fan. And the reason then is
there's a Metra and I've been seeing it for a
few years. You have to build both up and out.
You can't just do one. If you just do urban
sprawl when you don't tenpify won't work. If the intense
to five that you don't allow more growth won't work either,
(01:06):
And that is like, it's actually prolifically husky does because
you really may see house prices stop here, things like
getting rid of the minimum size as the balconies might
not sey eighty thousand dollars top apartments. But also I
really like that Le's saying. Yeah, everyone's saying you need
to plan for thirty years of growth, but the key
(01:27):
difference is they're now saying, don't just release a couple
of years at a time. Release the thirty years now,
because that actually should see lamb pips stop. So we'll
see how it goes. But I'm it's very very possible.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The wrinkle in all of this, well, there's a bunch
of wrinkles, rob, But one of the wrinkles is who
pays for the infrastructure underneath those developments. The developers say
they don't want to, but if a push came to shaft,
do you think they would, Well.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Some developers would have the economics stacked up. But it
is a crucial issue. It's one thing to sort of
throw those regulations in space wide open or further open.
It's another thing to have the infrastructure in place that
can support that, and that's a problem not just out
on the fringe of our cities a place like Tarmaki,
but it's an issue in the inner city as well,
(02:14):
where it's all very well to say the infrastructure is
already there, but the infrastructure is stuffed. So there's a
much bigger issue facing the government than just this kind
of loosen up the regulations around the place and everything
will be all right. That's simply not true.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How do you feel rob about shoe box apartments?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Well, I don't think Chris Budgett lives in one. I
certainly don't. And you know, there's a role for relatively
small apartments, but there's some pretty small ones built. Again,
talking mainly about the city in Turnkey, where I live,
there are some pretty small ones built and they don't
leave very satisfactory living conditions for lots of family types.
Now for some people living on their own, may be
(02:55):
for small families maybe, but I don't think we sold
our housing crisis by building a lot of tiny apartments,
or indeed by checking portable homes on the back of sections.
There are some sort of short run attractions to that,
but it's not a way to address good healthy living
standards for our growing population.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Oh, David, I'm okay with it because I've lived in
a tiny apartment and I know it's just a temporary thing,
right you just it gets you on the property ladder.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I think that's a key lot. No one I think
would say that you spend forty years within a tiny apartment,
but for people their first home to get there when
you're single and you're working late and you need a
place to crash. I know some very actually quite well
off people who are really tiny houses because they prefer
(03:44):
that it's actually easier to maintain. Two key is that
you want to make sure you don't end up with
people stuck in these thought for decades and decades.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's a fat You've got to watch this idea of
a property ladder too. People forget that ladders go up down,
And it's one thing to get into some of these
places and think that you're on a property ladder going up.
But you've got to remember part of the logic this
is to drive house prices down, so people buying these
things now are not on any way entering into a
ladder that's guaranteed to always go up.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
No, we'll certainly we're seeing that at the moment, aren't we.
That's a fair point, all right, guys, will take a break,
come back to you.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Short lived the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty,
unparalleled reach and results.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Back of the Huddle, Rob Campbell and David Farrell. Rob
our consumer wants us to ban some beds, should we.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
I'm not a fan of some beds, I've got to
say so. I certainly wouldn't care if they were banned.
So it's not something that excodes my mind a heck
a lot. Really, if you can afford town a sun
bed and you're stupid enough to have one, I don't
have a big problem with it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
David.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't use these things either, but I figure if
if it brings you happiness, if it makes you happy,
what might tan? What tan do you think I've got
in the middle of bloody when I.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yes and actually said, I think you're stupid if you
use sunbeads. They go health for us. But people have
the right to be stupid. People want to take the risk,
and you know, do as long as the institutions that
provide them are following the law, especially you. But concerning
(05:22):
what consumers said that some young people will.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Have been about to Yeah, that's illegal.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
That comes down to enforcement.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, totally, Robert. I don't know if you know this,
but because you were once running Health New Zealand, I
expect you to do you do they do you get
vitamin D out of a sun bed?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Oh? Crazy?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's for clinical question. I have no idea. I certainly don't.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I was trying to find a positive and hey, listen,
what do you reckon, Rob Is Biden going to quit
after the last twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Look, it doesn't look to me as if he is.
I mean I watched this with the same kind of
horror and fascination that most people do like this. But
you know, I think it looks like they are actually
going to both go to the polls and it really
will be a very, very tough thing for anybody to
walk into a voting booths and have to pull one
of those leaders.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, I've changed my opinion, David, I reckon, he's going.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
What about you?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
I actually think he will go. You have to keep
defending him and saying, of course he won't go right
up until the second a different decisions made. But what
I see is how can they change the channel from this.
It's such a big thing that making some jobs announcement
won't do it. Trump being Trump probably won't do it.
(06:38):
So they can have weeks or months of people looking
and every time he stumbles it's going to be major news.
So I think in a week or so, as the
poles come in and they're looking pretty dismal, he will
go as captain.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, and also rob because he has got no room
for error. If he makes even one mistake and it's
like months that he has to get through one mistake
that looks like he's going scene, that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, Look he's sitting in a very exposed position. He
came forward to lose too many more rounds. But you know,
I have an abiding belief in the overwhelming and continuing
stupidity of a lot of electoral systems, way beyond when
you think they should be able to do better than
they do. They go on, and I think this is
an example of one that could well do.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
David, you a Rugby fan, of course, Okay, do you
think it was the right call to put Demo in
over body?
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Actually?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I do think that is.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
I think so Jaka touched on that lot. If you
do go off and play club rugby in Japan, you're
not going to be at the same level as when
you've been playing super rugby. Nues I think he'll actually
still play. I think they won't bring him on as
an impact player, but I actually think you do want
those incentive there for people to be playing New Zellan
(08:03):
super rugby. It's not to punish them. If they go
off and do club rug be great on them, but
you need to make sure they're on this pot.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah what about you, Rob, what do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah? Look, I'm all was a bit disappointed when the
all black teams are read out and my name's not
in there, but I've gradually got used to that over
the years. So honestly, whoever raised as all back on,
it's the exact opposite for me to like if we
when we appoint a cabinet, I just regard that as
an opportunity to get stuck into a new group of people.
(08:34):
But when when we appoint the all black team, I
couldn't really care if Raser appointed the entire Crusader's team
as the All Black so I'd still support them. I
wouldn't be happy, but I'd be there.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I love that. I love that blind faith in him.
That's awesome. Hey, guys, thank you so much. David Farah
and Rob Rob Campbell a huddle
Speaker 1 (08:50):
This evening For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen
live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeart Radio ou
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