Full Show Podcast: 9 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
New stog said, be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the
show coming up today. Former Green MP Gareth Hughes on
why the Greens should absolutely not use the waker jumping
legislation to get rid of Darlene Tana. The government's announced
it's relaxing the climate rules and what cars can be importable.
Chat to the Motivate Industry Association on that, and we're
going to find out what the University of Auckland actually
did wrong in the Susie Wilds case.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Heather Duplicy Ellen on Darlene Taner.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now, I'm not convinced yet, and I stress yet, I'm
not convinced yet that she needs to quit parliament like
Chloe wants her to. That report that's been done, from
what I understand, does not find that she is guilty
of migrant exploitation. What it finds, apparently is that she
FIBs to them, to the party. That is apparently she
gets busted fibbing, not just once, but as I say,

(00:56):
does not find against her on the migrant exploitation matters.
So the reason I'm telling you this is because it
slightly changes what we're talking about. Right, We're not talking
about an MP who is a proven migrant exploiter. We
are talking about an MP who's been busted in telling porkies.
So absolutely there are some character issues there, and they
may speak to bigger problems, but you know, a hell
of a lot less of a problem than exploiting a

(01:18):
poor migrant or two. So should she quit? This is
fundamentally the question should she quit over apparently fibbing. If
we're going to draw that line in the sand and
say she got busted telling porky, she needs to quit,
that's going to force a lot of our MPs to quit,
isn't it, because a lot of them tell the porkies.
I don't reckon that that's high. I don't reckon that
meets the standard of forcing an MP out. Mainly, to
be honest with you, because I'd like to see life

(01:39):
made a little uncomfortable for the Greens because they put
her there. They must have liked when they're putting the
list together, they must have looked at it and thought, oh, look,
there's a mildy woman involved. In a climate friendly small
business like electric bikes. That's awesome. Ley's chuck her on
the list. That'll make us look diverse and down with
the people. But so it suited them then, But they
didn't do their due diligence, did they, And now it
does suit them anymore to have that person that they

(02:02):
want to get rid of her. Now that would be
just a little too convenient for them, wouldn't it to
be able to get rid of her and just file
this one away and make us forget about it. I
rather like the idea that she sticks around to remind
us of the kinds of characters, because there are many
of them that the Greens bring in. But also, more importantly,
this is how democracy works. You vote for a party

(02:23):
based on their diverse list that happens to include Darlene Tanna.
You look at the list, you go, geez, that's a
great list. I'm going to vote for that party. She
also then gets her own share of personal votes given
to her. She has earned her place. And it should
be a very very high threshold for someone who's democratically elected,
whether in a seat or on a list, to be
removed from Parliament. It shouldn't be because it is now
inconvenient for the co leaders of the Green Party to

(02:46):
have her around anymore. Now, absolutely, I take that she will.
I take your point if you're going to make the
argument that she adds no value if she becomes an
independent MP. But frankly, she added no value as a
Green List MP in all position, and the guy who
might replace her if she does go ahead and quit
one hundred percent add no value as a Green MP

(03:07):
who is in a list position and opposition. So it's
not like we lose anything if she stays, other than
being reminded of the characters. As I say that the
Green Party brings in together do for c Ellen's well,
welcomes away and on that nine two nine two is
the text number. Standard text fees apply. Now, how do
you feel about an inheritance inheritance tax? It is understood

(03:29):
that Labor is considering whether they advocate for an inheritance
tax or not, and they're reportedly taking inspiration from Ireland's version.
Now what happens in Ireland is they don't pay any
tax on anything that they get inheritance wise of up
to five hundred and fifty eight thousand. New Zealand dollars,
but then if it clicks over that, it's thirty three
percent tax on everything else. Jeff Nightingale is an independent

(03:49):
tax advisor who joins me.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Now, hey, Jeff, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
You like the Irish version of it?

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well, I'm not sure I like any versions of inheritance text,
but they're pretty common likens seec, and most of them,
like the Irish version, do have an exemption, both for
a financial level, but also usually exempting your personal house.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh so your personal house you can inherit from your
parents and then also another five hundred and fifty eight
thousand New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, different jurisdictions have different rules, but in principle most
of them have that.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yet, why don't you like an inheritance tax?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, I think there are some really good arguments for
it from a wealth redistribution and an equity sense. It
sort of provides a catch all at the end of
life to pick up untaxed capital gains and things, and
it's a decent source of revenue for the government. There
are a number of reasons why you might not like it.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
It can get very.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Complex to administer because it's based on valuations it can
drive some really unwelcome economic behaviors because you've got to
find cash to pay it, and therefore you might realize
you might sell a family business, or you might realize
some sets that are not yet you know, that's not
the right time to do that. And then the final
thing is people tend to hate it. Voters don't like it.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, I would have thought so. I mean, yeah, it
seems like it's death to the party who comes out
with the death tax. Right. Is there an argument for
us doing it because we are outliers?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean, there are some reasonable arguments for doing it.
The OECD often recommends that we consider it. We're outliers
in a couple of senses. One is we don't have
a capital a broad based capital gains tax, and therefore
an inheritance tax would act as a sort of a sweeper,
a cover in the life to pick up some of that.
And then the other reason is the economic reason, which

(05:42):
is to try and encourage the handing down and the
using of assets during someone's lifetime rather than accumulating big
wealth inequalities. That's why, you know, that's why the OECD
recommends it. But voters don't like them.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, absolutely. Do you think just on the capital gains
tax were which you mentioned just before, do you think
that the attitude has changed in this country on the
CGT or is it still a nago.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
I think it's shifted a bit, but I'm biased.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
I was a member of the Tax Working Group in
twenty eighteen that recommended one, but I think it has
shifted it. I think people are starting to look forward.
We're going to have a bit of a bit of
a tax revenue shortage in this country over the next
twenty or thirty years. Treasury is projecting unless we deeply
slash government expenditure, and I don't think you know, the
voters have not indicated they want to deeply slash They

(06:31):
want to control it, but they don't want to deeply
slash it. And so we may need some more revenue
and probably the most sensible thing to go to would
be a realization based capital gains tax.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Jeff, there is a text that's come through. Can I
please ask Jeff. This is Heather. Can you please ask Jeff.
Wod asset's owned by a family trust likely attract the
inheritance test because that tax because there would be a
big growth coming for trusts.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
If so, yes, I.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Mean it's all in the question of design. But almost
certainly if you wanted the inheritance tax to stick, you
would have to apply it to family trust and somehow
transferred the exemptions over New Zealand. Did you just have
an inheritance tax? We got rid of it in nineteen
ninety two, but it was very unpopular. But in those
days there was a lot of effort. You know, tax
advisors like me made good business out of putting people

(07:16):
into trust and trying to avoid the thing. And that's
the other kind of argument against them.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, so from a personal point of view, actually, Jeff,
it might suit you if we bring these complicated things.
And thank you very much for your time. I appreciated, Jeff.
Jeff Nightingale, Independent Tax Advice. Geez, I'm having trouble with
the English today. Sorry, bear with me. I'll explain to
you why, and then you will understand why, and then
you'll cut me a whole bunch of just like we'll
get to that. What about Lulu sin though, Eh, Lulu,
I wanted to come to work yesterday. I'll tell you what.

(07:42):
When I heard the seven o'clock bulletin and ZB I
was like, oh jeez, I can't believe I'm missing work today.
I want to talk about Lulu. What an absolute legend.
She's come out of nowhere. Thank god she switched to
us A. I mean, there are times where you're like, absolutely,
you should be a defector, and this is one of
these times. Her next match, by the way, if you
want to catch is tonight. She's playing Croatias on a
vickage and this will be the first quarter final. You

(08:03):
can watch it on TV and Z one. It'll be
on eleven fifty five. I don't think that they actually
start heading the ball around eleven fifty five. That's just
when they start the prattle before the actual game they
play after midnight. Now here's the thing. Okay, she's done well.
I mean she's she's defied the odds, but these are
the odds for her. Her ranking this is Lulu's ranking
as one hundred and twenty three and Donna from Croatia's
ranking is thirty seven Best of luck Girl quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
For business used talks at.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Byah, can the government tax me for a headache? Because
that's all I will be left with is a fair
point eighteen pass four. Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters
with me right now. Hello, Darcy. Don't give them any ideas, no,
just to hop that don't because their next minute Barbara
Edmonds is taking it to the Labour Party conference and
they're thinking about taxi your headache as well? Dars? How
late was that tackle? That was a disgrace?

Speaker 8 (08:56):
Ah?

Speaker 9 (08:56):
I think possibly three to four.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Years mate, Okay, so what they've.

Speaker 9 (09:02):
Said it's unacceptable, right dya mal Graham? Or they can't
do anything about it, can they?

Speaker 2 (09:07):
This sucks? This is I mean, like, look, I love
hating on the referees. There's gonna be another reason to
hate on them. So it's it happens, it's pointed out
to the ref The ref sees it as what head high,
not late, and goes it's not hit high, but it
was late. Ignores that fact, which means the Warriors don't
get the penalty. They could have won the game. Yes,
it was very material.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
It is.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
However, how many errors from the referee have been advantageous
to the Warriors?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
How many?

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Well, I don't know, but you go back over history
and go, well, we've we've got the rubber of the green.
Sometimes sometimes they haven't got the rubber of the green.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Look does it was just so obvious the commentators could
see it all because.

Speaker 9 (09:46):
We could all see it. But do you really think
that that was malice? Are we going back to Handlin's
razor again? You know it could be matas or it
could just be pure stupidity and it was just dumb.
He just made a really bad call. So what do
we get the CEO of Telco company to climb it?

Speaker 10 (10:00):
And the cheat?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Whereas I don't know.

Speaker 9 (10:03):
I was considering a messaging and go, Jason, I want
a word, but I didn't because he knows. We've got
Bill Harrigan on the show to night up after seven attack.
Now he was referrering in the NRL from nineteen eighty
six to two thousand and three. I think roundly believe
is one of the best refs they've ever had. So
we're going to talk to him about crime and punishment

(10:25):
when it comes to the NRL and what length they
have to go to. I get the feeling that we
just have to go it happened tough, move on, because
if we sit there and fester over, it will get
angrier and angrier. And another theory is this, the Warriors
are in no state right they lost half their team.
I was amazed they lasted that long. If the season

(10:46):
comes down to that one bad calls, that's beyond the
ref They ain't the referees for us. So I feel
I hate Golden Point with a passion scarcely human, although
I shouldn't hate something that's not a being. But it's
awful and it's stressful, but I love its stress. It's
pointless because if you end up going that both links
of extra time and nothing happened to get a drawer anyway,

(11:07):
So what have you got? A whole of really tired,
broken down, destroyed places. I didn't think about that and
they destroyed. So it's actually a player wealthier situation too.
The only time you have Golden Point when you actually
need it. Semi Finals.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Jamie Joseph doing back at the Harghlanders.

Speaker 9 (11:26):
Oh well, probably hopefully better than Clark Dermody, who didn't
have the best time of it. Did He was the
head of rugby, was Jamie Joseph. He'd be looking at
his office going. Oh, but he's the only coach in
Highland's history that's actually brought success. But it's good is

(11:46):
he's a hard man. He's been internationally at the Brave Blossoms,
some great results there, so I feel for Clark. Do
would agree, But at the end of the day, I
think Jamie might be the mand to drag him out
of that.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Mae so good paces text me. So Lulu did manage
to beat the number eight in the world, so she
should be able to beat number thirty seven Donna from Croatia.

Speaker 9 (12:06):
Not quite how it works, but hey, I like the
way they're landing. We've actually got the president of the
Tiano Tennis Club on the program tonight.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Did she ever play tennis? And Ta yes?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Did she? Yes?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
They started her Yes, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 9 (12:22):
That legends she played over the holidays. When she goes back,
she rings up the tennis club and goes, anyone want
to hit a few balls? And guys come down out
the door. Now that's what I think too.

Speaker 11 (12:33):
It to be.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
Although I was at two and a half hour drive
to Queenstown, I think the Q will go right the
way back there, so hopefully she comes back. She might
not want to biggest news in Tiano, So be really
interesting Chattle green tonight about what they've done.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
No, man, Nana, it's tempting. A, it is tempting.

Speaker 9 (12:50):
If I come in here tomorrow my eyes on strings,
you'll know I was tempted. How about that?

Speaker 10 (12:55):
Right?

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Thank you? Darcy? All Right, Darcy water Gravell, we're back
at seven o'clock for sports talk. It's for twenty two
right now.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather duple c Allen drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Heather, what time is her tennis game? Tracy? The tennis
games just after midnight. And Darcy just pointed out to
me that if you're looking through the drawer, you're not
going to find a Lulu Soon in there because she's
still playing under her father's name, which is like something
Croatian Lulu radobbed it or something. Anyway, I'm just repeating
what he said to me, So I've absolutely stuffed up
her name. But if you look for Luluah with a
Croatian name, you might be able to find her there. Anyway.

(13:32):
The government, by the way, has announced that it's going
to relax the emission's standards for importing cars is basically
the climate rules around the cars. You might remember that
the doing government actually did two things. I mean, we
talked a lot about the UTAX, but there was a
second thing that they did. So they did the UTAX
with the Tesla money, and then they also changed the
rules around what Kina cars could be brought in, like

(13:53):
in terms of the emissions and stuff. This government is
now relaxing those rules. They're making the rules the same
as over in Australia. They say the reason is because
the importers would have paid these huge penalties and it
would have added about five and a half thousand dollars
to every new car and that's too much. Not everyone
loves it because the penalties here for like going beyond
what you're allowed are way less harsh than Australia. So

(14:13):
in Australia they pay about one hundred and ten New
Zealand dollars one hundred and ten New Zealand dollars for
each gram per killometer travel that a car exceeds its emissions,
whereas here we're just paying forty five bucks or twenty
two point five twenty two dollars fifty for used cars,
so it's not quite the same same. I'm stoked about
it anyway, because you know, you know I feel about
these things. Don't like extra penalties. A Motor Vehicle Industry

(14:35):
Association is going to be with us ten past five,
talk us through, so listen. By way of explanation, here
is why I wasn't here yesterday because then because the
boys got croup, like what a Victorian sounding feral disease,
that is, he's got croup. Woke up at the weekend
with the old fever and stuff. Took him to the GP,
paid through the nose for that at the weekend, and

(14:58):
she was brilliant. She was because she's a young g
All the young gps are awesome. And she looked at
him and was like, yep, croup, and she said keep
an eye on him that he hears a steroid and
dad day and make sure he's breathing well. Then little
mate decided to start holding his breath in the middle
of the night, and Mummy heard it because I was
lying on the floor. So anyway, made the call at
two am to take him to Starship where they are awesome.

(15:18):
Graham the nurse it is not my first time with
Graham the nurse at Starship and Kate the doctor. Both
these guys are amazing over at Starship Bay. But then anyway,
you're up like trying to get this kid to sleep
at half past five and he's jacked up on steroids.
I don't know if you've ever seen it, but steroids
is like cocaine for a child. So anyway, mummy did

(15:40):
not have a lot of sleep, so I had to
catch up yesterday. Anyway, he is better now, but we are.
We are fragile today, so we're very tired, but hard enough.
This is what happens when you have the babies. Hey,
you made the choice headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
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news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh, I'll tell you what labour will be dicing with
it a if they bring in this inheritance tax. The
number of texts that I'm getting about families who had
to sell up the farm and stuff like that to
pay for the inheritance tax. My mother's side of the
family had to sell the family farm due to inheritance
tax after two generations died within a couple of years.
It was very I'm very against it here. The both
sides of my family, great grandparents lost farms to death

(16:41):
duties due to great grandfathers dying young and then the
family being unable to raise the cash to pay duties.
It was brutal. My granddad had to work for room
and bought a twelve years old that's from Kerry. Similar thing, actually,
I think, if I remember correctly, similar thing happened to
my husband's family where the grandfather died and then the
farm had to be sold to for things and whatnot.
And then basically, you know, you go from being really

(17:03):
wealthy family, wealthy farming family to yeah, not being wealthy
at all. Unfortunately. Good luck labor, looking forward to seeing
if you do that. Listen, We've got more numbers to
back up what you're seeing in the housing market at
the moment, which is that it's pretty flat, if not
going backwards. Qv's latest house price indexes out it shows
that it. Yet, in fact, prices are coming backwards, and

(17:24):
they're coming backwards a little bit faster than they were before.
So in autumn early winter comeback sort of at zero
point two percent or something like that. Last count endo June.
Over the three months has come back in zero point
nine percent. Nothing to be alarmed about. I think that
kind of thing just happens in winter anyway. Still up
slightly on where it was the same time last year,
up but nearly three percent. And unfortunately, though we are

(17:47):
quite away away from the giddy heights of late twenty
twenty one where we were fueled while all that COVID money,
the national average is still fourteen percent below that twenty
two away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
It's the world wires on newstogs.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
US President Joe Biden's team is in full damage control
after the news broke out of Parkinson's expert being a
regular visitor to the White House in recent times. A
neurology consultant has visited their White House eight times in
the last eight months and has met with the President's
personal doctor at least once. Here's the White House Press secretary.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
Has the President been treated for Parkinson's?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Is he being treated for Parkinson's?

Speaker 1 (18:22):
No, he's not.

Speaker 12 (18:22):
Is he taking medication for Parkinson's?

Speaker 13 (18:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:25):
So those are the.

Speaker 12 (18:26):
Things that I can give you, full blown answers on
but I'm not going to do I'm not going to
confirm a specialist any specialist that comes away.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
A seventy two hour curfew has been imposed in Alice
Springs after a weekend of violence there. There were a
number of brawls. Some off duty cops were attacked. The
Northern Territory Police Association says police need more support from
the government to be able to just do their jobs.

Speaker 14 (18:49):
Take the handcuffs off the police, Let the police do
the job that they need to do to make sure
that the town of Alice Springs and the town of
all the towns within the Northern Territory are well looked
after and police can do their job. We're sick of
walking around with one hand tied behind our back when
this youth we know and they know that they're going
to be released before we even do the paperwork.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
And finally, the UK Coastguard has retrieved an ice cream
van that was almost lost to see. The van unfortunately
got stuck in the mud on a Cornwall beach and
it was being carried out to See by the tide.
Despite several rescue attempts by passing surfers and beach goers,
the driver was able to get out safely and the
Coastguard has brought the vehicle back to short It's unclear

(19:28):
what happened to all the ice.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
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Speaker 2 (19:36):
Murray OL's OSSI correspondents with us.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
Now, how mus good afternoon, Heather Mauz.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
What is the point and bringing in a three day
curfew at the start of the week when people always
get on the turps at the end of the week.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
Yeah, well, good point, And there's a one thousand and
one question swirling around about this. You'll recall earlier this
year there was a three week curfew, violence vanished off
the streets.

Speaker 10 (19:56):
This one will run three days, expires on third. But
I heard that.

Speaker 8 (20:01):
Clip you just played there. It's not just about policing.
I mean, the police can go on there and arrest everybody,
but there aren't enough the jail cells and Alice Springs
and anywhere else in the Northern Territory for that matter,
to take everybody.

Speaker 10 (20:13):
It's much more complex than just wallapers going in and
you know, banging heads with billy clubs.

Speaker 8 (20:20):
It is a really complex, highly highly integrated kind of
all branches of government.

Speaker 10 (20:28):
Solution required here.

Speaker 8 (20:29):
I mean, you had four off duty police officers, three women,
one fella going home on Sunday morning attacked by twenty
young people. There was a police officer run over outside
a bottle shop last Friday night. A woman stabbed on Sunday.
Now you know what's the answer. No, one's got an answer.
A lot of these kids come from dysfunctional homes. There's
no home to go to. They're not getting fed, they're

(20:51):
not getting clean clothes, they're not going to school. And
it's just really simplistic to say it's a police issue.
It's a whole lot more than that. Ever, where the
answer lies on bugget of my note?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know either. I mean I think
they've got to find it within themselves unfortunately. And Alice
Springs listen, speaking of violence, though, You've got a guy
who is charged with stabbing his partner to death, who's
actually peared in court.

Speaker 8 (21:11):
Now look if he hasn't, he's about to a twenty
one year old fellow. The allegation is that he stabbed
a twenty one year old woman who's partnered to death.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
Yesterday run away from the home they shared and ended.

Speaker 8 (21:25):
Up back I think at the family home about ten
k's away. Now, to say that's the tip of the
iceberg is ridiculous. There's a new start out this afternoon
in the Australian newspaper over here, the Murdoch Press.

Speaker 10 (21:39):
Have a listen to this. Are you sitting down? Up
to ten times as many.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
Women are taking their own lives as those who were
murdered by their abuses. And here's another stat from a
Sydney lawyer we spoke to this morning. She specialized in
domestic violence. She's an Indigenous woman herself, a victim of DV,
a victim of sexual assault. She says, nearly two women
dying every week in this country at the hands of
their abusive partners. And here's another stat I want to

(22:07):
share with you. This lawyer who is in the front
line of all of this. She's dealing with these women
every single day and their kids. She says, ninety percent
of women who are getting flogged by their partners or
getting sexually assaulted by their partners don't even bother reporting
it to police. They either don't trust the police or
don't think it'll do any bloody good.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
Can you imagine that.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, what's wonderful. How much of what also is that
they're afraid of the retribution of their partner if they
do report it.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
Of course, all of that, and you know it's not
just themselves they're concerned about.

Speaker 10 (22:39):
They're worried about their kids. About their children.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
Look what happened on Sunday morning in Sydney when that
guy allegedly set his house.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
On five By the way, do we know what was
going on there with them?

Speaker 10 (22:47):
No, we don't. They still haven't been able to speak
to them. He remains in a coma.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
But the allegation is he splashed the patrol around the house,
set the joint on fire. One child said to a neighbor,
Daddy tried to kill.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Us rough man. There's something's gone very very wrong with
that guy. Hey listen, I see the Home Affairs Departments
ordered government wide audit of all Internet facing technology. That
suggests to me that they think that there's bugs.

Speaker 10 (23:10):
Oh no, kidding about absolutely.

Speaker 8 (23:12):
As we go to were this afternoon, me speaking to
you just today, there's a brand news story at the wires.
The Australian government and allies, which I guess includes Wellington,
are accusing a Chinese spy agency of targeting government and
private sector networks in this country. A major escalation of
concern at government level that this order comes after growing

(23:36):
concern about foreign interference and influence threats.

Speaker 10 (23:39):
That's according to the ABC.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
The government of course responsible is responsible for operating really
really sensitive things, I mean critical systems, safeguarding vital data.

Speaker 10 (23:50):
I mean think about defense, think about social.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
Security, and so there's a real concern that ever more
sophisticated foreign actors think China in this case is the
allegation getting smarter and better at sneaking in, pinching data
and then using it back against Australia. So this is
a is a federal government wide audit. Exactly what they

(24:13):
mean by Internet facing technology, I'm too dumb to understand that,
but suffice to say, very clever people are now carrying
out that order to try and make things a hell lot.

Speaker 11 (24:24):
It just means.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It means your phone that's connected to the internet or
your laptop that's connected to the internet. That's all it means. Really, Yeah,
thanks for You're welcome anytime.

Speaker 10 (24:33):
Muzy, You're clever.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Thank you very much. Murray Olds, Australia correspondent here that
at seventy five. I'm amongst the last of those who
paid inheritance tax all the way back in nineteen seventy six.
My dad was a hard working man who saved hard,
and it was quite galling to have to write a
significant check to the government, especially when others around him
had spent or wasted their money. Additionally, a lot of
time and mental energy was wasted by professionals, and I
was one devising ways to avoid the tax trusts, et cetera. Lindsey,

(24:58):
you take your experience to make the world a better place.
Thank you. Barry Soper's the next quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
To politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Certainty Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with us. Hey, Barry,
good afternoon her does So what do you make of
Darling Taner Well, I think she needs to leave.

Speaker 15 (25:14):
Well, we haven't seen the report, which is a big
problem because if as Chloe Swarbrick suggested this morning, that
the only person that's holding up the making public of
the report is Darlene Tana herself, well, she's been unavailable
for comment anywhere. And if it is as you say

(25:37):
that she wasn't involved in migrant exploitation that I think
would come as news.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
No, I just say the report didn't find that.

Speaker 15 (25:45):
Didn't find it. Well, if that's the case, it come
as news to the caucus of the Green Party, the
fourteen members excluding Darling Tana, because they've all said that,
you know, she is unsuitable to be an MP. I mean,
if they can't sack her on telling Porky's because like
you said, all politicians tell Porky, so that that is

(26:09):
not a case. But the interesting thing to me is
that Tamaki Mikaldo, which is where she stood in the
electorate of and that was formerly the home of Madama Davidson,
who decided to get out.

Speaker 10 (26:23):
She couldn't win it, and.

Speaker 15 (26:24):
Neither of course could Darling Tana. She got two nine
hundred and twenty five votes, well behind the other two
Tutakai tash KEMP, who's that young Mauldi MP. She won
it by forty odd votes over Peni Hena, and of
course that's being contested at the moment as well. So

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that's provided a lot of news what the Greens do
have available to them though, and don't forget they begrudgingly
supported the Rockert jumping legislation in twenty eighteen when it
was brought back as part of the coalition agreement between Labor.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
And New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (27:04):
First they are in their confidence and supply decided they
would support it. Well, you know, they've eaten a humble.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
Pie once, although James Shaw said they swallowed a dead rat.

Speaker 15 (27:15):
Well, I've done it once. And if they're really intent
on getting rid of Dahli and Tanna, they can simply
do it under this legislation, writing to the Speaker saying
that she's no longer a member.

Speaker 9 (27:28):
Well, because as.

Speaker 15 (27:31):
Themselves when they voted for the legislators.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Absolutely, you're right. But their opposition to this goes all
the way back to Rod Donald. They have held the
firm that it should not be the place of party
leaders to be able to kick out MPs because those
MPs are now no longer convenient to them, which is
literally what they will be doing.

Speaker 15 (27:48):
Yeah, but the argument was party leaders are having all
the total power. Well, in this case, it was the
party itself, the MPs, the fourteen members of the caucus
that decided that she should Gods, well, not everybody agrees
with their party leaders. And on this occasion, if you

(28:09):
listened to Chloe Swarbrick anyway, and we've got to take
their word for it because nobody else is talking that
she said unanimously behind it, Darlenana should go.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Do you think she should? Do you think she should
quit parliament?

Speaker 12 (28:24):
Oh?

Speaker 11 (28:24):
Yes, I do?

Speaker 10 (28:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (28:25):
I mean she's lost the faith of her parliamentary colleagues.
And she got there on the Green ticket, so you
know she's got no choice. Independent, she'll have no power
whatsoever as a former Independence have shown on that place.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Can I talk to you about Biden?

Speaker 15 (28:42):
Yes, indeed you can.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Is Luxon going to meet her?

Speaker 15 (28:44):
Well, we'd love to know, wouldn't we because he'll be
rubbing shoulders certainly at the NATO summit, like this is.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
What Parkinson's looks like? Can you just tick off whether
you see.

Speaker 15 (28:58):
It's interesting because the New York Post that reported that
Biden's personal doctor met with Parkinson's expert.

Speaker 10 (29:07):
What eight times?

Speaker 15 (29:09):
The Press secretary said, he hasn't got Parkinson Parkinson's disease,
but I do hope he remembers this is Joe Biden
when he sees Chris lux and what he told us
when he was here almost eight years ago to the
day he was singing the praises of the Pacific and
America's place in it.

Speaker 16 (29:27):
When the President and I took office, we made a
basic determination, and I mean this sincerely. We made a
determination in the Asia Pacific region is where much of
the history the twenty first century will be written. We
are a Pacific power. We have always been a Pacific power.
We are going nowhere. We mean what we say when

(29:50):
we say we are rebalancing to the Pacific.

Speaker 10 (29:53):
This is where the action is going to be.

Speaker 16 (29:56):
The energy and dynamism of this region is absolutely undeniable.

Speaker 15 (30:00):
Well, you know, let's hope some of that dynamism rubs
off because in the four years that subsequent to that meeting,
Donald Trump took no notice of New Zealand or the
Pacific really at all, and even Biden's administration he seems
to have forgotten the words. So maybe there's a bit
of Parkinson's involved. Then what are you saying about the

(30:22):
Pacific when he was the vice president under Obama at that.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Time, Barry, thank you very much, appreciate as Barry Soper,
Senior political correspondence coming up seven away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Tough questions to the newspeakers some Mike asking breakfast Darling Tanner.

Speaker 17 (30:36):
The Green Party has asked Darlene to resign from parliament
following their report into allegations of migrant exploitation, joined now
by Green Party co leader Coe Swarbrick.

Speaker 15 (30:44):
Are you saying she lied to you?

Speaker 13 (30:45):
I'm real people's chance.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yet, why don't you release a report so we can
find out how she lied to you?

Speaker 18 (30:50):
I'm completely king.

Speaker 13 (30:51):
Kill elsa reporting of given by consenters other people involved
with in the Green We've been crystal clear in the
findings of their report. Darling Tanner is not said to
be im padding emp but more so than that a
member of Parliament. I am not interested in this. Tips
at out and everybody's test interest to be escalate here
and for Darling to resign.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Andrew Dickens on the Mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at
six am with the Jaguar on News.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Talk said, b sorry, Heather, but I agree with Barry Darling.
Tana should be gone now and not remain as an
independent list MP for two and a half years. The
Green need to Greens need to invoke the Waker jumping legislation.
What does it matter, You're just gonna she's just gonna
be replaced by another useless green MP is going to
do nothing. It makes no difference whatsoever to you. It's
just it's just Darlene who does nothing sitting out there
as an independent versus the new guy who does nothing

(31:35):
sitting there as a green. I think there's more value
in her just making them feel uncomfortable the whole time,
reminding us of what's going on with the party. Anyway,
we're going to have to talk about the g strength thing.
Come on, New Zealand, stop it like this is ridiculous.
Can we not just all check ourselves about what prudes

(31:56):
we are?

Speaker 13 (31:57):
So?

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh mate, Amy Dixon from New Plymouth, Amy, you should
know better, has had a winge because she went to
the local pool or whatever with her children by boys,
and there were some birds wandering around with g strings on,
and she made the boys feel like, No, it did
not make the boys feel uncomfortable. They had the best
day of their lives because they saw naked butt. Made

(32:18):
Amy feel uncomfortable though, she said the togs are pornographic.
So she's gone on change dot org and she says
her family often feels uncomfortable and she wants everybody to
go with her and get the swimming pool to ban
the togs. Anyway, the swimming pool or the manager responded
by saying, yeah, all right, we'll have a think about it.
It's fair enough. At which point I don't know why,

(32:39):
but new Plymouth District Council Aquatics lead Mike Roberts has
got involved and he's the hero of the day because
he was like, no, actually overriding the manager. We're not
going to change anything about this is absolutely appropriate. Of
course it's appropriate. Do you know what we should do?
We should all pool our money together and buy Amy
a ticket to the Mediterranean so she can go see
what the rest of the world's doing with her butts
out in the sun and stop being weird about this.

(33:00):
We'll talk about it in twenty minutes. Gareth Hughes, former
Green MP.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Next the only Drive show you can trust to ask
the questions, get the answers by their facts and give
the analysis. Heather due to see Alan Drive with One
New Zealand let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Good afternoon. The Greens are facing a conundrum. They've got
the power to kick Darlene Tunner out of Parliament under
the Walker jumping law. But they've made such a song
and dance of how much they opposed the law in
the past that using it would make hypocrites of them.
But if they don't use it, Darlene Tanner might stick
around because she so far ignored their request that she
resigned from Parliament over the report into her. Former Green's
MP Gareth hugheses with me on this, Hey, Gareth, Yeah, Heather,

(33:46):
do they use it or not?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Well?

Speaker 18 (33:48):
I would be really surprised if they did use it,
and it would be a huge departure for the Greens
to use it given their decades long opposition to it
under multiple leaders and multiple caucuses. They haven't used them past,
They've spoken out very strongly against it, so it would
surprise me if they did end up invoking it.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So why aren't they ruling it out?

Speaker 19 (34:08):
Yeah, this is one a.

Speaker 18 (34:09):
Little bit baffled, to be honest. I guess it's a
question you'd have to ask Chloe and the Green Party
while they're not you know, perhaps it looks like the
relationship really has broken down. So perhaps when you're in
a tough negotiation, you want to keep a little something
up your sleeve. That's just me speculating, But yeah, I
would be surprised if they invoked it.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
So what you're suggesting is it might just be a
leverage to help her make her decision herself with the
threat of them using this potentially.

Speaker 18 (34:37):
Oh, it's possible, you know, I'm just entirely speculating at
this point. You know, the party has voted against it
in parliament. They begrudgingly voted for it, describing it as
a dead rat in the twenty eighteen term when it
was a part of the commitment of being in government
alongside Labor in New Zealand first. So they've always spoken
out very strongly against it because of the fact that

(35:00):
it stifles the freedom of speech of elected representatives. It
sort of maintains the party dominance and the power of leaders.
We've got some of the most party dominated parliamentary mechanisms
in the entire developed world. Our parties are stronger in demand,
more than almost any other country. So this does strengthen
the hand of party leaders who have used it to

(35:22):
stifle defense descent within their parties. And that's why co
leaders like jennetfit Simon's and what Donald spoke out so
strongly against it.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah too, right. I agree with you on that, Gareth,
Thank you very much, appreciate time. Mate. That's Gareth Hughes,
former Greens MP Heather Do for z L. The government
has announced that they're relaxing the climate rules around imported
cars and these rules will now align with Australia's rules
and this basically means, in effect that we can start
bringing in some slightly more dirty cars than we were
able to before. The reason the government's doing this is
that the harsher rules would make cars about five and

(35:52):
a half thousand dollars more expensive each of them in
just three years. Amy Wiley is the chief executive of
the Motor Industry Association and with us now, hey, Amy,
hi here, how are you well?

Speaker 8 (36:02):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Are you on board with this?

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Absolutely? Absolutely? The targets that New Zealand have set from
twenty five to twenty twenty seven were so stringent they
got ahead of the source manufacturing country targets. And what
that means is that if we don't have cars that
are at a technological capability to deliver on those targets,
and all we're going to do is push penalties onto

(36:26):
consumers and make them pay more without any environmental or
social benefit, and it doesn't really make sense. So what
the governments come out and announced today is that they're
resetting targets. The targets are still still a stretch for importers.
They're not easy to achieve. They're still a stretch to achieve.
But it means that they're trying to time the achievement
of those targets with the product availability and customers willingness

(36:50):
to buy those vehicles as well.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
If the harsher rules that were introduced under the Idean
government would have added five and a half thousand dollars
to each car, how much are these new more relaxed
rules going to going to add to it?

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Are dearly nothing?

Speaker 19 (37:03):
Okay, we've got to yeah, correct.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
So all we've asked for is for targets that get
set that are still still tough for industry achieved. But
when we get our mix of zero emission vehicles and
we can offset the credits we earn from those against
some of the debit penalties for some of the slightly
dirtier and overall there's no cost impact to consumers and
we're nearly getting better.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I mean, the critics say that the problem is while
we're aligning with Australia in terms of you know what
we're expecting the emissions to be. The penalties are not
nearly as much. Like in Australia they pay about one
hundred and ten thousand dollars for each gram per kilometer
to travel that's above the threeshold for us, they're one
hundred and ten for US is just forty five bucks?
Is that a fair criticism?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Not?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Actually not true. So in Australia they set it one
hundred dollars per gram, but they only charge fifty percent
of that if they don't meet it, so it's only
fifty dollars in New Zealand from next year. It'll be
sixty seven dollars fifty a gram from twenty twenty five onwards,
so we're actually seventeen dollars fifty more.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Ah, good to know, Amy, thank you for setting the
record straight. That's Amy Wyley. Motor Industry Association Chief Executive.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Heather Duplessy Ellen, listen, we have just got.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
One of the pages of the Darlene Tanner Report, so
it's been a little bit of you've just been doing
a bit of something something here to get a hold
of it, because obviously it's not actually been publicly released.
We've only got one page. I'd love to be able
to read it to you, but I literally cannot open
it on my computer because I am not a gen zer,
and I I've just got I've got the wrong program,

(38:31):
and now I've got a blank page. And now producer Laura,
who's much more technically savvy, is having to sort this
out for me to fix it. So when we get
that to you, I'm going to start reading you what
it says about Darlene Tana, so you don't have to
rely on what Chloe saying anymore. You can over yourself.
So stand by. We'll do that as quickly as we
possibly can. You will have seen a shot clock was
just in the bullets and just then has finally been

(38:52):
agreed that it will be shown on Eden Park's big
screens and also on TV this weekend. Come on, guys, like,
come on, why didn't you do this? But this is
basic stuff, Like the shot clock rule has been around
for some time. Right, it used to be ninety seconds
you'd have to do the conversion. Now it's sixty seconds.
You've got to do the conversion. Anybody who understands anything

(39:14):
about television or just sport would say Hecker's got sixty seconds,
stick it up on a clock on the on the screen.
So there's a bit of drama, like, you know, wh
while while Damien is trying to do his like look
once with serious face, look twice with a smile, and
then kick it, you'd be like, he's gonna do that
fast now because he's only got ten seconds, right, it's drama.
Apparently parently what's been going on in rugby is that

(39:35):
they have been relying on the refs just have a
little nice chat with the kicker be like, hey, you're
running out of time, harry out. But where's the drama
in that for the viewer? And this is this is
fundamentally the problem with the rugby officials. They're not ejecting
enough drama into the game. And drama is what's sport
is about. So thank god they finally come round to it.
I mean, if there's one good thing that comes out
of d Mac not getting that kick, it's this, isn't it?

(39:57):
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Speaker 3 (40:59):
Forgever to see Alan you've got.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
The page out, We're going to get you some of
that very very shortly. Although can you believe it, By
the way, it's eighteen plus five, can you believe it?
We are actually talking about people who want to ban
g strings from public pools. A mum in Taranaki thinks
it's time to do that because and she's got the
support by the way of one hundred and fifty others
in a petition. She says that this type of swimwear
is pornographic and that she was frustrated with having to
constantly be on alert at rivers and at pools for

(41:25):
the dread of g string. Sex and relationship expert Joe
Robertson is with me. Hello Joe, Hello, he's a miscun
is it?

Speaker 10 (41:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I suppose it? Like that's a nice way of looking
at it. I'm looking at it going this is very prudish, Joe,
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Now?

Speaker 19 (41:39):
It's fun to talk about, you know, it's I think
it's a really great conversation around what do we do
and our kids are seeing stuff that maybe we don't like,
and we're all going to have different ideas about that,
about what we do and don't want our kids to see.
So it's you know, the g string conbo is backing
another very good conversation.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Okay, do you think it's okay for young boys eight
years old to see a lady walk past with the
butt out in a G string? I, having three young
boys myself, am okay with that.

Speaker 19 (42:15):
And the reason I'm okay with it is because bodies
are inherently great. So bodies are great, they're fun, they're
they're you know, we're like we use our bodies functional reasons.
But also they look beautiful and they're interesting to learn about.
And that's the position that I've always taken with my
kids is that if they're seeing something, even if I

(42:36):
might not think it's the best thing ever for them
to be exposed to at an early age, I use
it as an opportunity to talk to them. So if
they're seeing something on a beach, I would probably say, hey,
you looking at that woman? And then they'll maybe say yes,
and I'll go what do you think about it? What
do you think about those togs?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah? Mostly they'll be like awesome. If you are a
parent who is who is very uncomfortable about ladies butts
out in the g strings, What do you say to.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
The kids.

Speaker 19 (43:06):
If you're uncomfortable about it? I would actually encourage you
first to reflect on that, so before saying anything like.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Why aren't you comfortable about you?

Speaker 19 (43:15):
Yeah, Like, I would really want you to do some
good self reflections, develop some awareness around what that brings
up to you. And it probably brings up lots of
stuff from your own childhood, and so think about that,
and then you know what was good about the messages
you got about bodies growing up and what wasn't good?
How has it been damaging actually, and which do you
want to pass on or not to your own kids?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Okay, I like where you're going with this, Joe, thank
you very much. So it's not about the butt. It's
about you. If you've got a problem with the butt,
that's Joe robertson Sex and Relationship Expert. Okay, listen, let's
deal with the bits that we've got. It's not a lot,
it's just one page of the report, but it's more
than we had before. So I'll get you through that shortly.
Five twenty Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen, drive with one. You see, let's
get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
They'd be whether I'm from New Plymouth. Comparing our butts
in New Plymouth to Mediterranean butts is a big stretch.
You said it five twenty three. Listen, I'm happy to
say I've been pleasantly surprised by the stuff news bulletin
that replaced news Hub on Saturday. I'm sorry for talking
about it today because I mean, it's like three full
bulletins later. But and I would have talked to you
about it yesterday, And this is my excuse. I would

(44:22):
have talked about it yesterday had I been here, but
I wasn't, So now's my first chance. Actually wasn't nearly
as ropey as I was expecting. Now, part of that
will be that they've managed to lock in a couple
of veteran TV people to pull the thing together. These
people know what they're doing, as a chap called Angus
Gelliesh's been at Newshub forever, and then a former EP
of Mine actually Executive producer of Mine, Claire Watson, both
of whom have decades of TV experience under their belt.

(44:44):
So this would have just been like that could have
done this in their sleep right. Having said so, I
actually think that they ought to be really proud of
themselves as a as a newspaper organization for managing to
pull this off. This is a really big ask of them.
But I stand by my prediction. This thing is going
to bleed audience because it's cheap, and it is really
obviously cheap. We have got very used to in this

(45:05):
country being very very spoiled with our expensive and flash
TV bulletins, big intro music. You know, it starts the
do do Do Do Do Do Do Do Doore Why
the news is on? And you go, and it's got
sweeping camera shot as they come into the studio and
the anchors standing up there in front of the screen,
all of the fancy stuff. Bulletin doesn't have it right
On Saturday, it had about three seconds of downbeat electronic

(45:28):
music before we basically get into the spoken stuff, and
then like another three seconds and then you're out of it.
Ye're straight into a VR studio with the anchor sitting down.
It's very like half hour bulletin around the World, done
on the cheap. The camera work that is obviously done
by the reporters as shaky as all hell, like slightly
nauseating sometimes to watch. And there are so many zoom

(45:48):
interviews is there's almost as many as real interviews, if
not more. It's just all in all, I mean, it's
perfectly plausible. It gives you the news, which is what
you want, but it's just not as pleasant to watch.
I suspect that change right there from decades of having
our eyes pleased by the TV news is enough to
drive a whole lot of audience, if not back to
TV ands, just away from the news altogether. Also, and

(46:11):
I think this is going to be a problem for
them if they keep on doing the editorial line that
stuff takes. That's going to actually be a problem for
them too, because stuff is pretty doo good. A right
they are, but bleeding heart Graylynn type of people. News
Hub was a little bit like that as well. But
it feels like stuff has just really ramp this up
in the bulletin. I mean, I don't know if you've
seen it, but they have had two stories now about
how awesome the bay of plenty black power bosses because

(46:33):
he went to university now in gray Lynn's that's awesome,
what a lovely story. The rest of the country. Mm hm, No,
we do not buy that, so that's only going to
appeal to certain and I suspect very small numbers of viewers.
So one hundred percent good on these guys for pulling
it off. It was way better than expected. But I
still suspect it's going to go the way of every

(46:53):
other TV bulletin in the future, which is it's going
to end at some stage. Ever do here we go?
This is page two of twelve of the Darlene Tunner Report,
written by rachel Bert. Rachel Bert quite clearly was not
asked to look at migrant exploitation and whether Darling Tunna
was actually involved in it. She says, she was basically
looked at. I was asked to ascertain what steps, if any,

(47:13):
Darlene took to inform the Green Party of the dispute.
So was she telling the party what was going on
with her husband's business and whether she was operationally involved
in e cycles en Z when the breaches of employment
standards or conditions were it alleged to have taken place,
So was she working there at the time that it happened.
Rachel then says the investigation has been complicated and the
key difficulties are that the two original complainants did not

(47:34):
want to meet with her at the outset and only
provided selective documentation. Also, the complainants representative decided, just as
she was finishing my draft report to send me over
five hundred pages of new and relevant information to review,
which is why weeks ago Chloe was saying it's nearly finished,
and then all of a sudden it wasn't finished because
they got a dumping of five hundred pages that they
had to then get into. This is the stuff that

(47:56):
you're interested in, the owner of the business, this is
the husband did not provide a coherent or consistent verbal
account and his evidence and both oral and documentary, tended
to off the skate rather than a looser date. So
he wasn't trying to explain himself. He was trying to
talk rings around the situation. He was not very helpful

(48:18):
the respondent's evidence. That's Darlene Tanner shifted over the investigation
with different explanations as to why that was so, requiring
significant cross referencing to earlier accounts and documentation to come
to findings. So this is what we've heard that the
report finds. She is busted on a number of occasions,
telling FIBs. So she'll tell this fib and then say

(48:39):
knew absolutely nothing about it, and then evidence will prove
she did know something about it, and then she said, oh,
you know I did know about it because blah blah
blah busted, but then busted again and busted again, and
that's a pattern that keeps on repeating. Hopefully we get
more headlines next, hard.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Questions, Strong opinion Heather due for see allan drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Let's get connected and news talk said be.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
It's just conversation.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
The free news was spine at the half an hour mark.
They're focused on the news and stuff. And then an
hour and they lost me at the gang praise peace.
Back to listening to z B at six. Oh, I'm
not sorry about that. Thanks that that gang guy had
really nice teeth, though, did you notice that like he
had an awesome smile. I reckon if I had met
him in person, like San Hayes, I also might have
been sucked in by that smile. Who knows? The government

(49:38):
I love this wants to make remote building inspections the
norm so that we get building fast down and we
get building cheaper. I'm here for it because if you've
ever done a build or a reno, you know that
sometimes you gotta wait for weeks for those building inspectors
to come around because they are so chock a blockbooked
and you can't do anything. You just like sit there
waiting until they can come check whether you've done the

(49:59):
noggins correctly. Anyway, it's a terrible process. Nowadays, you can
use like a smart there's a bunch of smartphone applications
you can kind of do it like that, and they're
designed to kind of keep the trickery out. Let's be
honest about it. If the person's not coming to the site,
there will be some trickery going on. But I think
a little bit of trickery might be the price worth
paying so that this system is scrapped because it's rubbish.

(50:19):
So we'll have a chat to Chris Pink who's the
Building and Construction Minister, will be with us after six
o'clock the huddle standing by. We've got Josepeganey and Patrick Gower.
This evening twenty three away from six ever due for
c Allen, members of the academic community are celebrating the
Employment Courts ruling in favor of Susie Wilds. Last night,
the court found that the University of Auckland failed to
do enough to make sure that Susie Wylde's safety was

(50:41):
protected while she was acting as a health commentator during
the COVID pandemic. A number of other familiar figures from
the pandemic, like Michael Plank, Michael Baker, Shawan Hendy, have
all said this decision is an important acknowledgment that Susie's
public statements on COVID were part of her job, which
is something that the university disputed. Doctor Dawn Duncan is
from the university's University of Otag Faculty of Law and
is with us. Now, Hey, Dawn, you're the what should

(51:04):
the university have done that they didn't do?

Speaker 20 (51:07):
Yeah, well, this area is one that a lot of
New Zealand employers really struggle with because the risks of
harassments and threats and violence are coming from people that
they don't control. Right, They're not your workers that are
making these threats, and you don't always have the ability
to identify them or even take any action. So often

(51:28):
employers struggle, they don't do enough, or they push it
back onto the employee. And what this case is highlighting
is the need for employers and universities to be proactive,
to do proper risk assessments for individual employees to find
out what's going on in their job, their specific situations,

(51:51):
acknowledge the reality of the job, and then take action.
So what the case was highlighting here is they needed
to get advice and they needed to implement it before
the emergency situations happened. They needed to listen to the
staff and to really take action to take the threats seriously.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
So what would I mean? You could do the risk
assessments and stuff, but then what kind of action would
you take if, for example, Susie Wilds was getting death threats?
Would that be to the extent that they would be
paying for and installing security cameras at her house, maybe
considering putting in a safe room, getting some security guards,
like would it go that far?

Speaker 20 (52:35):
Well, how's infected workout says you have to take all
reasonable steps, but what amounts to reasonable depends on the
extent of the risk. So there's a range of things
that they could be doing here, from changing the way
she's working so that she's not being exposed to those threats,
changing the way that perhaps the online technology is being managed.

(52:58):
Who's managing that technology. It could include physical security, security
at the university. It could include help in contacting police
or other agencies, or setting up a security system at home.
It could include just additional support, extra workload support. It
could include counseling. There's a whole range of things that

(53:21):
employers can do. And the people you think of that advice.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Where do you draw the line between somebody who's commenting
on social media, like on Twitter or Facebook and their
capacity as an academic and then somebody who is also
just like having some banter because you know, in the
private capacity, because the line is often quite blurry on
social media, the.

Speaker 20 (53:40):
Line is incredibly blurry, and academic jobs are often incredibly
blurry to start with. There's a lot of things that
we do that are in that weird, slushy service category
that are kind of our jobs and kind of outside
of the strict parameters of our job as well. And
media commentary, public talk, they all sit in that box.

(54:02):
So it's really hard to define an advance.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, I really appreciate your time. Thank you for talking
us through it. As Dawn Duncan, the University of Otago's
Faculty of.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
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Speaker 2 (54:17):
Now on the huddle, we'll go jose SPEGANI child funding,
Patty Gower, journalist, Hell are you took?

Speaker 10 (54:23):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Well, I'm unemployed, Heather, and I'm happy to admit it
at day two. I've been unemployed since Monday, two days
in going good? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Did you watch the new three news bullets and Petty?

Speaker 6 (54:35):
Yeah? I did, look I am. I actually watched it
on demand because I was down. I was down at
the bridge down the road here in the hot valley
over the hot river, fishing and terified, just getting a
bit of just getting a bit of kai for the family,
you know, so they'll enjoy a good feed of hearing.
But yeah, I did watch it. I did watch it,

(54:56):
and luck it was it was really good.

Speaker 11 (54:59):
Would Patty?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Would you say better than expected? But obviously cheap and
that's not going to be that's not going to be
good for all members of the audience, right, some people
will find that little hard to watch.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Well, I'm an absolutely expert in the program, obviously, and
I thought it was exactly what they should have delivered. Yes,
it's cheaper. It had to be peras it was going
to get cut off, so it has to be cheaper.
And in terms of the cheaper product, that was pretty
damn good looking the three nights that I've watched, So yes,
it looks cheaper, but it's still there. They've done a

(55:32):
good job. There's no big mistakes. There are three nights,
and I know the people involved in the background, they're pros.
They'll keep it going from here, checking on it in
two months time. But at the moment, that's looking pretty
damn good.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
What do you reckon, Josie, Yeah, well, I just got
back from the US last night, so I didn't actually
watch it yet, but I just sort of did a
box pops, you know, focus group around the office, and
quite a few people watched it and they liked it.
And I think in some ways that the cheapness that
you're talking about head that I think people quite like that.

(56:05):
It's a little bit like how we all listen to
long form podcasts now and you couldn't get anything cheaper
than that, but we love it, you know. We listen
to podcasts on everything from politics to history to you know,
funny crime stories to whatever. So I think. I mean,
just what we know is that news is changing so much,
and you know, talking about the US where I've just been,

(56:25):
I mean, okay, the Biden Trump debate was you know,
water war, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, all the big kind
of cable news channels. But also you look at the
figures about ninety percent of Americans actually get most of
the news on their smartphones now, so they're not looking
first ye you know.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Point right, we have got used to it, so maybe
we don't need to have like a blockbuster TV news
in the evening and fair point. Now, listen, I want
to talk about Darlene Tanner, Patty. Does Darleen Tannan need
to quit Parliament?

Speaker 10 (56:55):
She needs to quit.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
She should have quit yesterday or one hundred and whatever
days ago, but she definitely should have quit yesterday. I
cannot think of an MP in the living history or
the history of this country that has less of a
mandate than her. She is a disgrace for staying on.
She is dumbing her nose. You know, not just at
the Green Party, who have given her the ultimate Kumbai

(57:19):
kiss and Cattle's kind of approach to justice, but to
the voters and the taxpayers she needs to get out
of their darling. Tanner needs to go and go now, Josie.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Yeah, it's not acceptable that an MP refuses to front up.
So she's said she's been treated badly, unfairly, but she
hasn't really given her side of the story. We just
don't know the fact. But on the other side, you know,
the Greens have failed to really tell us what the
reporter is. I mean, you've told us more than the
Greens have, Heather. They haven't really told us what's in
the report. They're not and they're using these kind of

(57:51):
slightly smoke screen excuses about privacy. And we've got to
check with everybody who's names. I mean, you can redact
names for why.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Okay, so the Greens can get all the legal advice
and release the thing. They're not releasing it. Why do
they not want to release it?

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Yeah, well that's the question. So it's really hard for
us to understand. I mean, you're absolutely right, Patty. I mean,
she's got to go. She spent one hundred and over
half her time as an MP on full pay sitting
there waiting this thing out. Yes, there's a natural justice process,
but I think it's just you know, I mean, clearly
there's been a breakdown in the party. She's a list MP.

(58:28):
I think the biggest thing for the Greens though, is
looking at this and going all the way back from
even Materia Toure. But you know, Goldritz, Elizabeth, Ketty, Kenny,
Julian and Jenter. There's something wrong in that, isn't that party?

Speaker 10 (58:40):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Rather maybe Heather, it's just that they've got as many narcissistic,
self serving politicians and their party and it's not been
such a woman morally superior.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
She has done nothing since she's been in the Parliament.
She got elected because she was in the Greens. She's
a listing p people voted for the Greens. Nobody voted
for Darling Tanner whatever is in that report, and the
Greens are being soft and not releasing it all. Whatever. Look,
at the end of the day, if they're annoyed, it
takes a lot to annoy a Green. You know, they
want they are instinctively driven to cuddle someone rather than kick.

Speaker 21 (59:17):
Them, you know, I mean, yeah, you know, and yeah, yeah, okay,
but you know they can actually, like all of us
choker cattles, they can get the odd they need to
give the old choker cattle, don't they anyway?

Speaker 6 (59:30):
Anyway? They she's done nothing. She's just got to go,
and they should. They should release the report, leak the report,
start leaking on it. Driver out of there. They'll have
to do all this sort of stuff. Yeah, but she's
just got to go.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
I suspect I just have a sneaky suspicion. The report's
not as damning as they've painted it out so be.
But well, see, Laura, have you got any more of
that report?

Speaker 22 (59:50):
Not yet?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Okay, standing by though, take a break. Come back with
the Huddle thirteen two, The Huddle.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
With New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unparallel Reach and Results.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Right back with the Huddle, Joseph Bagani and Paddy Gower. Josie,
what do you make of this Labor considering an inheritance tax?
But this is a dumb idea, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Well, the problem for labor is they haven't quite you know,
got rid of the ghost of their last tax policies,
which really died in the service of its spending followings. Right,
so that the reason that no one trusted labor in
the last iteration with it with their tax policy was
that they didn't want to fund lake Onslow. They didn't
want to fund fifty billion dollars for Lake Onslow and

(01:00:33):
light rail. So the problem they've got again, it's sort
of political management. They've come out with this policy saying
do you want an inheritance tax. Let's say, do you
want to be you have your arm cut off? I mean,
no one wants to say yes for that, So they've
got to come out and say something more coherent like
would you pay this amount for an inheritance tack at

(01:00:53):
this tax? At this level if you could have free
dental care for the rest of your life, then they're
going to go, Okay, let me think about that. Yes,
maybe I will pay that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, I mean, Patty, it was so unpopular before, it's
proven so unpopular over other parts of the world when
it's been bumped up or brought in. I don't know
that this is going to go anywhere. What do you think?

Speaker 22 (01:01:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
I just think that to the middle class, key we
and upwards, inheritance is everything. People think about it all
the time, you know, coming in and texting it is
not going to go down well with the punters. Labor
should know this if they're going to come in and
get something like that. Josie is right, she knows all
about this. She's watched this movie upteen times. Labor need

(01:01:34):
to come in with a comprehensive tax that is wide
and sweeping, but people get something on the other side,
going in, going in and looking like you are this
inheritance thief is a quick way to go to opposition.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I agree with you. We have to leave it there
because I need to talk to you about this, Patty.
I've got a text, Heather. You must get new Plymouth
legion Paddy g to take on the town pool swimwear
prood Fest.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
Yeah, well I'll take it on. I mean, I've spent
many many years in my life at the card and
and and you know where was the G string when
I was at the g string tree when I was
fifteen years old in nineteen ninety two. You know, we're
you know about time, you know, so I'm driving up
for here tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Actually, you're a brave man, Patty. You're a very brave
man to say if you've never worn a G string. Obviously, Patty,
I'm scountable. I'm not judging that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:31):
I'll be wearing one tomorrow at Carrah Bars and so
will my dad Gordon Gower, who was seventy three years old.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
He jo U tomorrow get us both one for you
the bum, Jose, can you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Just just just arbitrate this week? This is a prudish
thing to do, right, Get the bum out. If you
want to turn your bum, go for your life.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
Yeah, it's an indoor pool though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You want to get your bum out and walk around,
go for your life.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
And it's like, and I think it hadn't been all bum.
They're equaled, Like it's not just a nice bum, but
a fat bumb and the oddly shaped bum whatever. Yeah yeah,
I mean, look, the world's going to hell and a
hand basket wars are breaking out. We're about to elect
in the US a convicted felon whose pitture electorate is
I did not sleep with a porn star? And what
are we doing in New Zealand having a petition about

(01:03:18):
banning g stream.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
You know what, there is there is something about that
that's oddly comforting. Guys, Thank you, I appreciate is Paddy Gower,
Joe Spagania a common sense huddle this evening seven away
from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car
on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen drive with
one New Zealand one giant leap for Business News talk as.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Hither are you in favor of the budgy smugglers fears fair? Listen,
you want to you want to go around in a
budgy smuggler, I'm not. I'm not starting a petition to
get the budgy smuggler band. That's your prerogative. You want
to walk around in that, think go for your life.
I'm going to look at it like a lot. I'm
really going to look at it in the same way
that I'm going to look at that g string as well,

(01:04:02):
and obviously one is better than the other to look at.
I'm not gonna lie, but I'm like, come on, let
people be people. Stop the banning. That's ridiculous. Listen. Dosh
is an outfit that has become that has just applied
to become New Zealand's first ever key we owned digital
only bank. I'm going to talk to them after half
bus six and get us all across there. Got to
talk about Biden. The White House press conference today was

(01:04:23):
dominated by questions over whether he's got Parkinson's.

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Question, Wait a second, times or ones in regards.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Hold on a second.

Speaker 10 (01:04:39):
You should be able to answer by this point.

Speaker 12 (01:04:41):
Wait no, no, no, no, no no no, Ad, please
a little respect her please.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Ed's got himself worked up because the Guardian over the
weekend was reporting that an expert on Parkinson's disease had
visited the White House eight times in eight months from
July last year to March this year, including at least
once for a meeting with Joe Biden actual personal physician.

Speaker 12 (01:05:01):
There's no reason to get back and go back and
forth with me in this aggressive way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
You missed around here about how information has been shared
with the press for.

Speaker 12 (01:05:08):
What What are you missed about?

Speaker 10 (01:05:10):
What are you He just asked about what do you And.

Speaker 12 (01:05:13):
Then every time I come back and I answer the
question that you guys ask erectly, don't have to come
back and clear I've never answered.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
The question incorrectly.

Speaker 17 (01:05:19):
That is not true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Did she answer the question though?

Speaker 12 (01:05:22):
And I am telling you right now that I am
not sharing confirming names from here. It is the security reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I am not going to do that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:31):
Ad.

Speaker 12 (01:05:32):
It doesn't matter how hard you push me, it doesn't
matter how angry you get with me. I'm not going
to confirm a name. It doesn't matter if it's even
in the log I am not going to do that
from here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
So no, So it does appear that's possible that what
Biden's got is Parkinson's. Another expert who didn't really want
to diagnose from Afar said what he's seeing in the
President is consistent with Parkinson's. The frozen face, the way
that he walks, and also the loss of attention when
he's talking. So that may explain everything, mightn't it. Chris
Pink next m.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
We're Business Insight the Business Hour. We're header due to
clan and my hr on NEWSB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Evening. We've got an o CR announcement tomorrow, so infametrics
will be of us shortly tell us what they are expecting.
Jamie McKay on d Day for Sinley and we're gonna
speak to Doosh. This is the bank that's applied to
become New Zealand's first ever key we owned digital only bank.
It's eight past six now. The government wants to force
every council in this country to allow building inspections to
be done remotely. At the moment, some councils are already

(01:06:39):
doing remote inspections, but some still require the respect inspections
to be done in person, which you know, if you've
been here before, you know, can lead to delays while
builders wait around for the inspective, sometimes for weeks to
find times to fit them in. Chris Pink is the
building in construction minister. Who's with us now?

Speaker 23 (01:06:53):
Hey Chris, Hello, good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Why are some councils resisting?

Speaker 23 (01:06:58):
Well, I mean they've all got their own practices and
policies and that's actually an issue itself. So we're trying
to provide a bit more certainty and consistency across the way.
But as far as remote inspections are concerned, I mean,
there's no good reason for them not to, and that's
borne out by the fact that some councils already on
board and embracing this new technology that we're all using
in every other aspect of our lives too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
And are they basically using apps? Are they?

Speaker 23 (01:07:22):
Yeah, there's a couple of Well, there's actually a few
sort of prominent apps which you know, allow people to
upload videos and photos and other information in some of
it's real time, so there's no possibility that people can
sort of be gaming the system. And uploading photos of
other sites. So technology exists, we just got to be

(01:07:42):
bold enough to actually use it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
I mean, would you agree that if we are not
doing in person and we are doing apps there is
a greater chance that the system is gamed.

Speaker 23 (01:07:53):
Well, theoretically that might be possible, but actually there's some
good mitigations. For example, there's a geolocator funk in the
app that says you can, you know, pinpoint the property
that's actually being inspected, so you know, there'll always be people,
I suppose that a small minority who want to pull
the all over the eyes of the authorities. But the
reality is these ways we can get around that. And

(01:08:15):
if we're so risk averse that we have a gold
player system that takes frankly, as long as it takes
currently to build, then we're going to increase the delays
and the costs even beyond.

Speaker 10 (01:08:24):
That they are.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Now, how much do you reckon it would save on
a house build just doing this remotely?

Speaker 23 (01:08:29):
Yeah, it's hard to know, to be honest, because it
depends how many inspections take place, and there's no consistent
data or again practices across the different councils for that. Actually,
the Building Act doesn't even require inspections, so it's sort
of really an ad hoc system that's built up with
the best of intentions. And you know, I can imagine
for a council that's trying to be risk averse because
they don't want the whole liability if something goes wrong

(01:08:51):
and the builders nowhere to be seen.

Speaker 10 (01:08:52):
So it's hard.

Speaker 23 (01:08:54):
It's hard to know exactly how much, but I will
tell you, in a high interest rate environment, a couple
of weeks or four weeks maybe by the time you've
had two inspections that are blown out by a fortnight each,
that's a huge amount of extra interest that these guys
are paying and of course then passing on to the
hapless homeowner at the end of the process.

Speaker 24 (01:09:10):
Fair.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Thank you very much, Chris, really appreciate talking to you
about that. It's Chris pank the Building and Construction Minister. Heather.
I will never forget around about nineteen sixty eight being
on Campbell's Bay Beach as a twelve year old boy,
when a couple of fourteen to sixteen year old girls
paraded along the beach with crocheted g string bikinis. It
was fantastic and it was beautiful, Nigel, you old perv.
It probably was. It probably was. If they've got it,

(01:09:34):
flaunt its sisters. Okay, listen.

Speaker 12 (01:09:36):
So this, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
M might be something in this. New Zealand First's Twitter
account has suggested that the possibility of what happened with
the ship running aground was that somebody put it on
autopilots go and get a coffee. They've written, is it
true that the Aditari ran aground when someone put the
autopilot on, went for a coffee and then couldn't turn
the autopilot off in time when that someone came back

(01:10:00):
question mark. So what makes me think that's not just
a crazy idea that's been posted, because I mean, first
of all, I mean you do know that Shane Jones
is in the party, and Shane Jones is all over
the Kiwi rail situation, right, so he would know what's
going on. What makes me think that there may be
something to that is that the media then went to
Maritime New Zealand and asked them if that's what happened,

(01:10:24):
and they said, conjecture around the cause of the incident
is unhelpful. That's not a no. Then they went to
the Marlborough harbor Master Jake Oliver, and he said he
could not comment on New Zealand First Post as investigations
into the grounding were ongoing. Also not a no. Then
they went to Kewi Rail's in a quirel Into Island
as Executive General Manager Duncan Roy, who said Kei We

(01:10:45):
Rail would not normally respond to speculation while an investigation
is underway. Again not a know, a little coffee, but
I think the important thing is the autopilot couldn't come off.
That's there's a problem right there.

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Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Listen. It's D day for Sinlay on Thursday at two o'clock.
And that's the reason it's D days is because that's
when the shareholders are going to vote, and what they're
going to vote on is whether they need to take
the one hundred and thirty million dollar loan from one
of Sinlay's major shareholders. I think I think Bright Dairy International,
which is a Chinese dairy company's got about thirty nine
percent stake in Sinnay or something like that. Anyway, they're
going to make a vote on that. If that vote fails,

(01:11:43):
according to the chairperson George Adams, there is no plan
B and the company will go out into receivership because
they need to make some payments to bankers next Wednesday
and if they do not take the loan, they do
not have the money. So Jamie McKay is going to
be talking us through that shortly. It's sixteen past six
at the moment. Bank is going to consider the official
official cash rate again tomorrow. It's five and a half percent.

(01:12:05):
It's been there for a year and a half. Gareth
Kiernan is Infametric's chief forecaster in for Brad Olson Tonight, Hey, Gareth, evening, Heather.
Obviously nothing's going to change. It's the commentary we're interested
and what are you looking for there?

Speaker 7 (01:12:18):
Yeah, for us, it'll be looking at the responses that
the Reserve Bank has to a couple of key indicators
or things that come out over the last six weeks
since the previous review. Firstly the budget, which was probably
a bit less contractionary than people have been anticipating, so
the Resert Bank had previously expressed some concern about just
how much more stimulitary government policy might be. And the

(01:12:41):
second one is last week's quarterly survey Business Opinion, where
business confidence was well down. But probably more importantly, there
are a couple of key indicators, and they're showing that
the labor market is deteriorating further, and also that inflation
does those cost and prices and pricing pressures do seem
to be easing. Inflation due out next week probably claim
to be close to three percent and four percent, which

(01:13:01):
is good news.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
If the Reserve I mean, what the Reserve Bank's been
doing up to now, Gareth obviously, is that they've been
jaw boning pretty hard and making it sound like there's
even the possibility of another right rate hike in some instances.
They surely cannot keep that tone up when the economy
is in the state that it is at the moment,
can they?

Speaker 7 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I fully agree with you there. I mean, we
were surprised at the previous review where they had talked
about the possibility of a rate rise. The difficulty for
us is, even even with tomorrow's review, they have tended
to flip flop from sort of one message to another,
from meeting to meetings, So we won't be reading too
much into necessarily the tone. Initially, we'll sort of, you know,
hold fire and see how the following one goes as well.

(01:13:42):
But also he will be the inflation and the labor
market data that come out over the next couple of
weeks whether that does confirm some of those sort of
weaker readings that have been coming through.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
And you're still picking November before a.

Speaker 7 (01:13:52):
Can No, We've pushed out to February. We did that,
I think following their most their previous meeting where they
know we're still talking about rate rises. We think November probably,
given how the economy is evolving, would be appropriate. But
our worries the Reserve Bank pretty backward looking in terms
of how they're setting policy. You know, we're pretty vocal
in terms of on the way up, they need to

(01:14:13):
move faster, and we're sort of feeling sort of a
bit like history repeating itself at the moment where they
may be a bit slow on the way down as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, Hey, really good to talk to you as always.
Gareth really appreciate it.

Speaker 10 (01:14:22):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
There's Gareth Kern and Chief full Custer it informetrics. Hither
I had a concrete place for a forty years plus
do my driveway and paths an exposed aggregate. He had
no idea. He failed to lift the steel radius the
edge's property and make the appropriate cuts to stop the cracks.
No physical inspection of the foundations. And I know that
the contractors pull stuff like that out the steel, They
put it in there, get it inspected, and they rip

(01:14:42):
it out for the next job. Now listen, I know
that that stuff happens as well, right, But if that's
happening with in person inspections, how it's happening, it's going
to happen with the other inspections as well. It's already happening,
isn't it. Nineteen past six Have a chat to Jamie McKay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
Next the Rule of Board on the Heather Dupe Drive
with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Jamie mckaye hosted the Countries with us right now, Hey, Jamie,
can I hear that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Why does this guy this is a farmer from Winded
Upper Why did he row across the Cook Straight.

Speaker 24 (01:15:14):
Well, his name's Jamie Strang. He's a wire at the Farmer,
current judge of the balanced farm environment towards He said,
he's been fit all his life. He's a keen cyclist,
took up rowing a couple of years ago to keep
him fit. He's seventy six. So today as you do
here that he just decided to row across Cock straight
to raise some money for Farmstrong. And isn't there a

(01:15:36):
deliciously rich irony in the fact that a seventy six
year old farmer can get across Cock Straight with the
fairies cart.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
What was the weather? I mean like, if anybody said
to me, I'm going to row across Crook straight, the
first thing I would say to them is, no, you're not,
because it's going to kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
What was the weather like?

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
It was beautiful.

Speaker 24 (01:15:54):
There's a big high plumped over New Zealand obviously this week,
very low swells, perfect conditions and he did it quite
comfortably apparently in the end, and having flown over Cook
straight last week, he chose the right week to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I think, yeah, good on him. Okay, So listener, you're
going to go to the Young Farmer of the Year
Grand Final.

Speaker 24 (01:16:14):
No, I'm going to lick my wounds. I've been on
the road far too much. But it's going to be fantastic.
It's being held gets Underway and Hamilton on Thursday Claudland's
Events Center there in the middle of town. Great venue
culminates on Saturday night with the cloak of knowledge being
handed over by the twenty twenty three winner, Emma Paul,
first woman to ever win the Young Farmer of the

(01:16:34):
Year Final. And we've got seven first time finalists. Often
with the Young Farmer of the Year Grand Final Heather,
sometimes you have to be a repeat offender to win it,
just to get that experience. It's quite a few young guys,
all blokes this year, no women in the final and
they're all first timers. So we will have, as I say,
first time I winning the Young Farmer of the Year

(01:16:56):
once again. There's a lovely synergy with fat I Warrant Katto,
Jamie Strang's fellow judged for the Balanced Farm Environment Awards.
He won the Young Farmer of the Year contest, repeating
the effort of from his twin brother who won it
nineteen ninety two, and if you think twin brothers winning
the Young Farmer of the Year in the nineties, it's
pretty cool. Well, Emma Paul's brother and Dan Jin won

(01:17:21):
it in twenty twenty two, better husband was runner up.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
It's in the family and the family, isn't it. Jamie,
What do you think is going to happen with Sindlo
what's the most likely outcome?

Speaker 24 (01:17:31):
Well, I think it's Hobson's choice, sarahwe but I think
they're going to have to vote. So a special shareholders
meeting's going to be held on Thursday to approve this
one hundred and thirty million dollar loan from the biggest shareholder.
It seems it's the only only only porter call for them.
Sorry to use the cook straight analogy again. So that's
Bright Dairy out of China, So siddenly needs the money

(01:17:52):
to repay loans due on the fifteenth feb Very Bright
Dairy cannot actually vote, so it's up to the shareholders.
The tituitional shareholders own about forty one percent of the company. Interestingly,
the other twenty percent is owned by a two milkom
It's a question over there whether they're keen to support
this is the throwing good money after bad. So if

(01:18:14):
it doesn't get the vote, they're going to be left
with limited options. One of them would obviously be voluntary administration.
And I'm sure no one it's in they wants to
see that. So the deadline proxy for votes I think
finished this afternoon. That special shareholders meeting will be held
on Thursday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Watch this space, Jamie, good to talk to you. Thank
you so much. Appreciate as Jammie MacKaye, host of the
Country Heather, even if the faery was on autopilot, the
skipper still has to stay at the wheel, not off
making a coffee. It's up there with the power. Pilon Steve,
thank you for pointing that out. It feels like there
might be just an era of truth, just a whiff
of truth to this because Key we Rail has said,

(01:18:54):
quote the regulated number of qualified people were on the
ship's bridge on the night the grounding, which suggests that
what they're not saying, oh yeah, no, he went off
and made a coffee. What they're saying is there were
enough people that I mean, I don't know about you,
but I have been in this situation with people who
are trying to lie to me and trying to get

(01:19:14):
away with something. And that's a classic move, isn't it.
You just go yeah, but it's okay because and that's
what they're doing. No, it's not okay. The problem doesn't appear.
I think the clue is in the fact that they
could not get the autopilot off in time. That seems
to be the problem. Now Novak Djokovic, Okay, I don't
know if you've caught up on this, but Novak Djokovic
continues to be the guy that everybody loves to hate,

(01:19:35):
and I'm starting to see whys. I've actually had a
lot of time for him, because she thought he was
quite brave with his position or not wanting to take
the jab. I was like, I take the jab, but
you know, if you don't want to take the jab,
do you do you whatever, It's quite brave that you're
being Novak's da da da. But now I'm starting to
see why people hate him. Because he was playing a
chap at Wimbledon called holgaroone and what happened is the

(01:19:56):
crowd kept shouting rue, which sounds a lot like boo
to Djokovic, and he was not gonna let.

Speaker 25 (01:20:03):
It go and to all those people that have chosen
to disrespect the play player in this case me.

Speaker 11 (01:20:10):
Have a good night, good night, good night, very good night.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Okay, you made your point.

Speaker 24 (01:20:26):
Not enough.

Speaker 25 (01:20:27):
I'm hoping that they were just commenting on RUNA and
that they weren't disrespecting you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:32):
They were, they were, they were.

Speaker 10 (01:20:34):
I don't accept it.

Speaker 25 (01:20:35):
No, no, no, I know they were changing for Rune,
but that's an excuse to also boo. I listen, I've
been I've been on the tour for more than twenty years,
so trust me.

Speaker 11 (01:20:47):
I know all the tricks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I know how it works.

Speaker 25 (01:20:50):
It's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I focus on irrespectful
people that have respect. I played in much more hostile environment.
Trust me, your guns, you guys can't touch me.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Can't touch me.

Speaker 19 (01:21:00):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah. I was sun to see why you don't like him.
Why there's only one person in my whole life who
does like him, and we got rid of her from
the show. We were like, I can't have you with
that kind of an attitude. Let's talk to Dosh next.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Headlines as well, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics,
it's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for SME used talks
at b.

Speaker 10 (01:21:27):
I'm amy out of the double shot of whiskey. They
nam j istues, there's a party downtown. You're fish.

Speaker 13 (01:21:36):
Everybody had buget, everybody had by.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Hey, well, we are going more and more online, aren't we,
Because it's been revealed that we're now using more online
data through our fiber connections than we were during lockdown.
Lockdown was previously the peak. This is according to Chorus
that put the numbers out Back in lockdown, we were
we were heading I think jeez, six hundred twenty one
gigabytes when we were in lockdown, and that was due

(01:22:04):
that was like twenty twenty one, and since then it
dropped off and it hasn't really surpassed that. This is
per person by the way, But then all of a
sudden June last month, we're up at six twenty three.
We beat it for the first time, and it's gone
up like in space of March to June, it's gone
up by twenty five gigabytes. That's not bad. I don't
know what you're doing on the Internet, probably looking at
butts in g strings to be honest, because you don't

(01:22:27):
live in New Plymouth, then you can't go to the pool,
so you're just gonna have to google it, spending a
lot of time looking at that. So anyway, at least
you're doing something with your time. I suppose, Heather, what okay,
So get a load of this test what let's say
someone had set the autopilot even if it exists on
that particular vessel, and then left the bridge. Was the
autopilot set to go into a hell? If you can't
turn it off, doesn't it just drive its own way

(01:22:47):
to Wellington? Isn't the consequence of not turning off the
autopilot that it continues on the course. Or if all
of those qualified and necessary are New Zealander is actually
saying not one of them noticed the looming forest coming
at them. So many good questions you should be working
for Maritime New Zealand. Twenty three away from seven company,
DOSH is trying to become the first New Zealand digital
only bank. DOSH has started the application process to become

(01:23:10):
a registered bank in New Zealand in the hope that
it will increase banking competition. Shane marsh is Dosh's co
founder and chief executive and with us.

Speaker 11 (01:23:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Hey Shane, Hey, so if you're digital only, what was that?

Speaker 26 (01:23:22):
Thanks for having me a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
You're more than welcome. If you're digital only, does that
mean you've got no ATMs where I can take money out?
You've got no bank branches? Nothing like that?

Speaker 26 (01:23:31):
Yeah, traditional bank has branches. You'll feed them along all
the high streets of the New Zealand cities and towns.
And these branches cost a lot of money to rent,
to maintain, and to staff as well. So with the
prices that are set by a normal banking organization, they
need to cover all of these costs. A digital bank
doesn't have those branches as much, lower number of staff,

(01:23:54):
and therefore the price is in value to consume, it's
as much better.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Do I have the option of withdrawing cash from my
bank account though?

Speaker 20 (01:24:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:24:03):
Absolutely, you can remove it from your bank account through
just normal internet banking or mobile banking as people do today.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
What about no bank card? I can't go get twenty
bucks for I don't know Lolly's.

Speaker 26 (01:24:19):
In terms of cash, yeah, well, we find most people
are not operating with cash today, and most people are
using a card or a digital card to make their payments.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I noticed that you guys say you'd become the first
New Zealand owned digital only bank. Are there others who
are not New Zealand owed who are already doing this?

Speaker 26 (01:24:37):
There Rabo Direct, who's a Netherlands bank, And previously you
may recall Bank Direct which was owned by Australian based ASP,
which was amalgamated into ASB some four or five years ago.
So since those banks were created, there's been a lot
change from a technology perspective. From what we've seen in

(01:24:59):
the last ten years across the world is the emergence
of mobile based digital banks offering the latest technology, news
services and better value for consumers and have been wildly popular.
In the UK, for example, two and every three people
have a digital only bank accounts.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
What are the hurdles that you have got to overcome
in order to be cleared for this?

Speaker 22 (01:25:24):
Yeah, so we'll be working with.

Speaker 26 (01:25:25):
The Reserve Bank on our application and they look at
a number of factors such as our compliance and the
security and also our systems and the amount of capital,
which is a cash that we have set aside if
things don't go well, we have our fund he held
in a bank today and so those funds are secure

(01:25:49):
and we're also compliant in the same way as bankers,
so we feel confident we can meet most of the
quirements that only'll be a few that will work with
on the reserves.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
With the Reserve, how many millions do you have to hold?

Speaker 26 (01:26:03):
Well to become a regis spank in New Zealand, you
actually have to hold thirty million dollars of capital, which
is a lot, particularly compared with other countries such as
Australia at fifteen million dollars the capital, or perhaps the
UK where it's only million pounds of capital. But what
we're finding in the market at the moment is that
both the Commerce Commission and the Reserve Bank and the

(01:26:25):
government are looking for greater competition in the banking market
and they're looking again at some of these rules in
terms of how can we better enhanced competition, bring your
players like Dosh into the market so we can offer
new services.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
So ultimately, shape.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Are you are you hoping to have that threshold clear,
like for them to drop it down from thirty mil
in order for you to be able to get in
or are you going to scrape together thirty mil?

Speaker 26 (01:26:50):
Yeah, we we're confident that we can meet the requirements
that the bank were said, and we were forward to
working with them on that. So yeah, look, it's an
interesting it's an interesting topic about the at all, but
ultimately for us, it's more about how can we do
better for consumers and boss for them better value in pricing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Yeah stuff, Best of lucky that Shaneanks for talking us through.
It's Shane Marsh, the co founder and the chief executive
of Dosh. Heather My husband has got Parkinson's and Biden
presents all of the same symptoms. The soft tired voice
as a dead giveaway Erica, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
You for that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
It's actually more on this. So Axios, which is a
political website over in the States, is reporting that Joe
Biden has been given like what looked like a four
sized bits of sheet of paper with which they print
out with essentially picture guides telling him how to walk
on and off stage, and they've got a few examples

(01:27:41):
of them, and it's like what it is. It's like
it's an official White House documents. It's got the White
House logo on the top and then it's basically white
with it it says walk to podium, and then it's
got a picture of basically the path that he would
take to get to the podium, So him walking up
to the entrance to the stage so you can see
the curtain, you can see the stage to one side
that picture, so that's where he needs to go. Then

(01:28:02):
the next page has got again also walked to podium,
and then a picture of what it would look like
like the point of view if you're standing in the
wings off the stage looking out at where the podium is. Apparently,
not only that, but there's also like pictures showing view
from podium, so what it will look like for him
when he's there, and then view from audience and so on. Now,

(01:28:25):
Kirsten Allen, who's a spokesperson for a Man, a spokesman
for Karmla Harris, said these documents are standard logistical briefing
materials and photos for any principle, including the vice president, right,
so it's normal stuff to provide them, apparently, But two
former aides who've worked with Biden during his vice presidency
said that his preparation documents were different and often and

(01:28:46):
more often relied on site diagrams. So he had different
prep documents when he was the vice president, but now
he's the president and if he does have Parkinson's and
if the symptoms have got worse, he needs a lot
more assistance to be able to cope with it. Explain
maybe in part, why he sometimes freezes and doesn't know
what to do when he's on stage. He needs Obama
to come and help him and walk him off with

(01:29:06):
Jill Biden or something. He needs these kinds of pictures.
He also, by the way, is copying it for calling
into the morning TV show Morning Morning Joe Today, Heavy Listen,
you might be able to pick why he's copping it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
We have a special guest joining us now, the forty
sixth President of the United States and presumptive Democratic nominee.

Speaker 11 (01:29:30):
Joe Biden, calling in to Morning Joe right now.

Speaker 27 (01:29:34):
Good morning, sir, Hey Mika, I'm more of a presumption
I'm going to be the Democratic nominee.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Okay, well, yeah, so the answer is obviously good luck
figuring out what what the hell he's saying there. He does, though,
to his credit, get clearer as the call goes on.

Speaker 27 (01:29:50):
And I've gone over a country for several reasons, one
to make sure my instinct was right.

Speaker 10 (01:29:55):
About the party still.

Speaker 27 (01:29:56):
Wanting me to be the nominee, and all the dat
all the data shows that the average Democrat out there
who voted, fourteen million of them had voted for me,
still want me to be the nominee number one.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
So the problem, according to commentators, is that he's basically
he seems slightly unhinged because he's just done the old
Trumpian trick of like randomly calling in. It's not very
presidential and statesman just be calling in like a talkback caller.
He's too defensive, he's too angry in the call, he
lashes out at his own party, the elites, and basically
all of those things combined, he hurts his own chances.

(01:30:32):
Heither I just tuned in. Have you confessed to knowing
nothing about League? The rubbish kicking from those young halfs
gave us bad field position and little chance of winning.
We needed Sean Johnson, Matt, I will concede that. So
Mighty Martin was disappointing on Saturday. I was disappointed. Still
think he's the blog, but I was disappointed. Sixteen away
from seven, everything.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
From SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour with
Heather Duple c Ellen and my HR, the HR platform
right with us.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Now we have our UK correspondent in the.

Speaker 22 (01:31:04):
Brady Ay Inda, Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
So Keystama is off tonight, so I mean this will
be easy stuff for him. He's not going to stuff
this up as he No, absolutely not.

Speaker 22 (01:31:14):
No, He's hit the ground running. We've seen legislation pasted already,
new MPs coming into Parliament today, and honestly, it feels
like the winds of change, a breath of fresh air.
I'm just running out of cliches here, but you know,
to have had three or four days of competent governance,
it's quite remarkable. Really, we're just getting used to it
and it seems to be quite a positive good thing.

(01:31:35):
So yes, he's heading to Washington, d C further natal
summer tomorrow, and the big talking point, of course, from
a European perspective, will be the ongoing war in Ukraine,
so he will reiterate UK support for that. Already he's
getting squeezed by various different army chiefs who are coming
out and saying we need more spend on defense, and

(01:31:55):
I think that is something that quite frankly, will have
to be addressed because the latest one is an army
chief coming out today and saying that if Britain went
to war, it would have enough materials to last a month.
So that's where the state of everything is after fourteen
years of the other lot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Yeah, it's pretty grim, hey, Jesus.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Compact from France, Yes, literally just in the door.

Speaker 22 (01:32:15):
So big, big news on the election over there. Everyone
was expecting this far right. I think everyone in the media,
certainly in the UK was expecting this far right and
they are very far right National Rally Party to win.
All the other lot on the left and kind of Greens,
everyone who hated them cobbled together this very loosely held

(01:32:36):
coalition and they've won the election. So France has now
swung to the far left. There are communists in this group,
there's a guy who leading it who's actually a Marxist,
and there's a policy in the papers today saying that
so Macron now is the kingmaker. He can choose who
he wants and he can kind of put together a
moderate coalition. That's what he wants to do. However, the

(01:33:01):
left wing group themselves are saying that the first tax
priority when they come in is a tax on the
super rich, anyone earning over four hundred thousand euros a
year will be paying ninety percent tax at a certain level.
And they also want to reduce the pension age back
down to sixty So you can see why a lot
of people vote for them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
That's not going to happen, is it.

Speaker 22 (01:33:24):
No, it's not gonna happen. But I tell you what,
I've spent a few days in France. Now there's a
lot of anger over there. Macron is not popular at all.
People have people on the right and the far right
are very angry about migration. People on the left are
angry about the super rich just basically getting richer, and
everyone else kind of just really struggling to make ends meet.

(01:33:47):
It's not in a good place. And I spent two
days in Paris, and let me tell you, A, they
are not ready for the Olympics. And B you speak
to Parisians and I know they're famously grumpy. They're beyond
board of telling people that they don't want the Olympics.
So it's strange. I mean, you know, seeing security ramping up.

(01:34:07):
I went to look at the Eiffel Tower. We did
some filming yesterday and all Parisians can tell you is
that this is going to be a terrible thing for Paris.
So I was telling them that, you know, with the
same thing in London and twenty twelve Londoners felt it
wouldn't be good, and by two days in they were
loving it. So Refrench change, I say, they're not ready
because I'm seeing scaffolding everywhere. I'm seeing security operations with

(01:34:31):
people who genuinely didn't seem to have a clue what
was going on yesterday. And on top of that, what
I really don't like is the fact that the Metro,
the underground system out there cube basically you can't tap
and go with your mobile phone, so having hundreds of
thousands of people on the move every few hours for
sporting events, the quickest way to get around the city

(01:34:52):
is the Metro. And yes, you can go and buy
a book of twenty tickets in advance if you qu up.
But I think we're so used to certainly in London,
you know, tap on your mobile phone, off you go.
Seven stops later you're out where you want to be,
and that can't happen in Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
And to thank you very much, appreciate it. Talk to
you in a couple of days. It's into brady Are,
UK correspondent, I've got fantastic news for you. Country Kendy
is going to remain open. I don't know if you've
been across this, but Country Candy is the daycare, early
childhood education center whatever in the minnow we two and
it's like the only it's somewhere near Hunterville. I'm not
entirely sure exactly where, but around about there and it's

(01:35:27):
the only one for miles and miles and miles and miles,
and the Ministry of Education she shut it down last week.
It was just like, okay, you know you're not meeting
the curriculum requirements. Bang gone, and then what are the
parents going to do? Just like that, Just like that,
appearents now have got toddlers at home and how do
you go to work? David Simol has just put out
a press release says Country Candy in Manaouo two is
going to stay open after being granted a stay from

(01:35:48):
the Ministry of Education for twelve weeks. When I heard
of the decision made last week to shut down Country Candy,
I was immediately concerned. I asked officials to explain the
government is currently undergoing a sector review for the early
childhood sector to basically, you know, deal with all affordability
issues and all the retape and stuff. If we can
make it easier for educators to focus on kids safety
and learning and less on the paperwork, then it will
be in the children's interests because they benefit the most.

(01:36:10):
Thank God, an adult has stepped in here. There is
a court process underway, so hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, I don't
know if it means that the twelve weeks day gives
them the opportunity to get the court process done or whatever,
but hopefully that some common sense makes its way through,
because you can't just do that to parents. Ministry of
Education seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
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on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
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Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Talksp OH five away from seven. Oh, Heather, can someone
please confirm the elephant in the room, which is the
actual reason that lu Lusun has changed allegiances because she
didn't make the Swiss Olympic team. It's really lovely that
she loved the ASB open, but this fluffy narrative is
a bit exhausting. Neil Yes, Neil, I think that you're correct.
It hasn't really been as far as I can tell.

(01:37:00):
It hasn't been set out right that Lulu has come
back to New Zealand and I no my height a
my Lulu because I'm loving what you're doing at Wimbledon.
It hasn't been set out right that the reason that
she's come back is because of the missing out on
the Olympic team. But it's been hinted at, for example,
in an article in The New York Times, which has
been charting her recent success. It's set in March. Luluson

(01:37:23):
confirmed the switch, incentivized in no small part by the
carrot of being able to represent the country at this
summer's Olympics in Plaris. She will play doubles and is
on the Alternative Alternate list for singles. So yeah, you
bang on, Hey, listen to this. This is crazy. Did
you realize that there are appearents hoe gets so stumped
by being able to pick a baby name that they

(01:37:43):
pay tens of thousands of dollars to hire professional baby
namers for them. I am not making them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
This up.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
One of them. Taylor Humphrey has spoken to media about this.
She says some of her VIP clients pay her thirty
bucks just to find a name for the thirty thousand
bucks excuse me to pay a name for them, find
a name for their babies. I get clients who come
to me when they're trying to conceive and they want
that name, so as they're going through IVF or their
conception journey, they can really call in the spirit of
their baby, just leaving that there for you. Not everyone's

(01:38:13):
normal ants.

Speaker 17 (01:38:15):
Rush by Troy Sevanta take us out tonight. Troy has
announced that on his tour of Australia, he's going to
squeak a New Zealand date in as well, so he
will be playing at Spark Arena in Auckland. Unfortunately that's
the only New Zealand shur so you will have to
get to Auckland if you're in the rest of the country.
That will be on December the second. It'll be his
first time here since twenty nineteen when he also played
at Spark Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
Thank You Ans, I did a song once that I
really liked, so you know it was next one.

Speaker 10 (01:38:44):
You've never heard this one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
Before, but it's not horrible.

Speaker 17 (01:38:46):
Frey ticket oh eight hundred and eighteen eighty Troy to
call through and saw that what he does for atrics?

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Oh it goes yet. Date all right, enjoy an evening,
See you tomorrow Bike.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
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