July 10, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
NZ First has been making headlines over their claims the crew on the Interislander's Aratere ducked out to get coffee and didn't turn the auto-pilot off. Were these comments out of line?
The University of Otago has been praised over their new Free Speech Statement, which aimed to enable diverse idea exploration and encourage open exchanges. Is this the right move?
How ridiculous is the proposed closure of Manawatu's Country Kindy? Have regulations and red tape gone too far?
How long do we think it will be until Darleen Tana quits Parliament for good?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the Huddle with Me this evening and got Jack
tame host to Q and A Saturday Mornings in Jordan.
Williams Taxpayers Union Highlands Yoda Jack. How does auto pilot
on a ferry landed on a beach?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
A good question, very good question. I've never used auto
pilot on a faerry or any large ship.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Personally, I think that's the opposite of what an autopilot
wants to do.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
My question is, is okay, First of all, if auto
pilot was engaged, is it appropriate for autopilot to be
engaged whilst you're still in.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The sounds because the harbourmaster say yes, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, okay, So then you basically leave. And if autopilot
was engaged and no one was on the bridge, that's
not a great look. But then if autopilot was engaged
in is the middle of the night, would you honestly
even know? I mean, the thing is the thing? Is
it only needed to turn you know a little bit, yeah,
a little bit to end up in the side of
the hill. Pilot, Well, it's not very good autopilot. I
(00:57):
think F and D autopilot was to blame, but we
don't know that autopilot was necessarily to blame just yet it.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Was we know it was on.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We know it was on, yeah, but we don't know
if it was necessarily the blame.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jordan, I'm getting suspicious about I'm getting transpower suspicious about this.
Are you getting like like pylon suspicious about it?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I think you would program autopilot, you know, stay in
the ocean if you if you're programming in the look
at New Zealand's Is it a troll? I don't know
if it's a troll. It's such a good one. You know,
it's recous week. New Zealand First staff as we're sitting around,
what could we how do we inject ourselves into media?
I've got an idea her kids. I'm sure it's a
(01:34):
great yarn. On the other hand, though, New Zealand First,
I'm thinking about over the ten years of Taxpayers Union,
we've often sparred along Keebi rail issues and we've always
really resented that New Zealand First somehow they must be
close to the Maritime Union or something like ways can
be inside juice on matters to do with with uh
(01:56):
inter islander, and it really bugs us. So I looked
at this. I don't actually rule out Yeah, I don't know.
Time will tell, Yeah totally.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Hey what do you Jack make of the Otago University
free free speech policy?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Ah, it's pretty good in the free speech debate, if
we can even call it that. I am not all
the way an absolutist, but pretty close to absolutist, and
I think that the pendulum has swung far too much
in the other direction over the last couple of years.
It's interesting to go through the statement that the university's
provided right because it also includes these lines, the university
(02:29):
accepts no duty to provide a space for those who
are not members of its community to advance their ideas
or theories in ways which fundamentally undermine the university's character
as an institute of higher learning. Basically, that means the
UNI can say no to controversial people from the outside,
that they're not duty bound to give those people a platform.
And you can imagine for like elements like that, there
(02:50):
could be a little bit of tension in the future
if it a really controversial figure comes along and is
invited by you know, a student union group, for example,
or a student group of some description, and then other
people at the university or the university itself says, oh,
we oppose this person's ideology. You can imagine there being
some tension, but largely yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think in terms of like I mean, so Jordan,
where I land on this is that it's not a
university's place necessary to provide a venue for other people,
but for the people who belong to the university, like
the staff and the students, they should be entitled to
say what they want to say within reasonable parameters. And
this gives them that freedom, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Ye. Well, as Jack has pointed out, the pendulum has
moved totally the fact that we have to even say,
you know, well done Ottaga University. So pointing out that
the university is dark place to have tough discussions, and
you know, if you're offended, you know, boo her, it's
not our job to look. I'm coincidentally over in Sydney
(03:50):
with the Free Speech Union as we're launching there. What
it launched yesterday, The International Association of Free Speech Unions
is a whole lot of free speech advocates from around
the world, and we're sitting next to Johnavan ailing when
he got this news and he looking at his face,
he couldn't quite believe it how good it was, because
of course it was only a few weeks ago. Heither
(04:11):
we were talking about my former university that I'm utterly
ashamed of in its treatment particular issue no a Victoria
University and the fact that they called that someone that
was from New Zealand's premiere business think tank, the Initiative,
the New Zealand Initiative, as far right and neo liberal,
therefore dangerous and I mean we've got a absolutely the
(04:36):
comments they made about very mainstream people is just absolutely disgusting.
And Victoria University just allowed it to happen. They didn't
fight for free speech. And what's worse, despite being fully
text Bay funded, they won't even front up and answer
basic questions about it. So good on Otagi University. We've
been on the back foot and on the free speech
(04:58):
file in New Zealand University. About time we had a
we had a win, and this is a damn good one.
And Victoria University, you ought to be you ought to
be ashamed. This is the model.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And as former alumni of Aukland University. I think they
ought to be ashamed too and send all of our
children to Otago with this. Right, Okay, we can take
a break with you to come back and just a ticket.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
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Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right back with the Huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams Jordan,
how ridiculous is the situation with Country Kindy where they
shut a candy down because the kids have got to
ask who go to the toilet?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I was just waiting for David when he was our
position to come out with the outrage. He would clearly
wanted to absolutely slam it. And he's right, he's so refreshing.
Of course, we should be able to have our politicians
talk about these nuts decisions and the ways of the
last government set it up so they could hide behind
their officials and they did stupid, stupid things. You know,
(05:54):
I was at damn right. He should have changed that
book yesterday. I have. I've got two kids in preschool
and I don't want to go into detail because it'll
i'll no doubt be canceled. But some of the bonkers
stuff that our childcare center is required to force down
our kids throat is just nuts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm almost tempted to ask you to explain more, but
I will leave it there. You can tell me off there,
and then tomorrow I can say somebody who I will
not name, was telling me this story.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, surely, if you have the choice of like,
shut the place down because it hasn't done the paperwork
on its philosophy statement and you know, Lord above it
ask the kids to ask to go to the toilet
or keep the thing going, the right thing is just
keep the thing going.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, I agree with that. I think just to take
an incredibly dry position on this. If there is a
regulatory review planned for the sector, and the problem with
this candy is regulatory I kids aren't in danger. Kids
are perfectly fine, non in danger. At the moment we're
going to be reviewing the sector's regulations, Surely the sensible
thing to do is to wait until that regulatory review
(07:02):
has been completed before then making decisions, right, yeah, kind
of decisions. Well, I mean, if you know, if this
candy is breaching regulations that might not exist in a
few months time, for example, then that seems to me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You see what you're saying like the Ministry of Education
should not be shutting down Kendy's right. Now, it's just the.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Whole thing with the Ministry of Regulation.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So David Ceman was saying in that interview before, you know,
he wants to consider some of the regulation around this.
If he's going to be considering the regulation around this,
and potentially that regulation is the very regulation they're using
to shut this place down, then maybe we should just
wait a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I agree totally. I mean this to me, Jordan
is a case of what has gone wrong with the
Ministry of Education.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
If you're wondering why they cannot get kids to learn properly,
it's because the fussing over stupid stuff like.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This, yep. And we wonder why our education standards are
such further and further behind. You know, what measures gets done.
And the trouble is is that I mean, and it's
not just education either, namely one government agency right now
in Wellington it is pursuing excellence in its core job.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well I don't know, but not the reserve band.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Rotation about educating kids. It's all it's all.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, okay, hey listen, I've got something for both of
you that I haven't warned you about. So this is
going to get your real I'm going to get your real,
honest take on this.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
How long before Darlene ton Of quits?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I reckon eight days? I reckon? I reckon honestly, the
two and a half years sitting there all by yourself,
everybody everyone hating on you. It's like you might want
to do it out of spite, but spite only fuels
you for so long.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Jordan, what do you think, pretty, I'm pretty worried about her.
I mean we were we caught a few days ago
for proof of life because you know, no one had
seen her in Hanton.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Pizza arrived at her house when a journalist was there.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But she's still not fronting, is she? I call me
old fashioned, but I think if you're paying an one
hundred and eighty a year, you know they ought to
sort of, you know, talk to the public. I reckon
that she'll resign, you know, once she sort of has
to talk to the public. Yeah, because it's just un untenable.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Okay. I think she's going to resign the day before
she has to be back so she can maximize, which
is the end of recesses. She can maximize the amount
of money she's doing. That's what I would.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When you throw a surprise curve for let us, we
don't consider it properly.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Thank you. Guys are standing for the Greens? Next yit
for me?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Absolutely? Why not milk the system? Guys, good to talk
to you. Thank you very much. Jack Tame, host of
Q and A Saturday Morning Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
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news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the Huddle with Me this evening and got Jack
tame host to Q and A Saturday Mornings in Jordan.
Williams Taxpayers Union Highlands Yoda Jack. How does auto pilot
on a ferry landed on a beach?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
A good question, very good question. I've never used auto
pilot on a faerry or any large ship.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Personally, I think that's the opposite of what an autopilot
wants to do.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
My question is, is okay, First of all, if auto
pilot was engaged, is it appropriate for autopilot to be
engaged whilst you're still in.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
The sounds because the harbourmaster say yes, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Okay, okay, So then you basically leave. And if autopilot
was engaged and no one was on the bridge, that's
not a great look. But then if autopilot was engaged
in is the middle of the night, would you honestly
even know? I mean, the thing is the thing? Is
it only needed to turn you know a little bit, yeah,
a little bit to end up in the side of
the hill. Pilot, Well, it's not very good autopilot. I
(00:57):
think F and D autopilot was to blame, but we
don't know that autopilot was necessarily to blame just yet it.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Was we know it was on.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We know it was on, yeah, but we don't know
if it was necessarily the blame.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Jordan, I'm getting suspicious about I'm getting transpower suspicious about this.
Are you getting like like pylon suspicious about it?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I think you would program autopilot, you know, stay in
the ocean if you if you're programming in the look
at New Zealand's Is it a troll? I don't know
if it's a troll. It's such a good one. You know,
it's recous week. New Zealand First staff as we're sitting around,
what could we how do we inject ourselves into media?
I've got an idea her kids. I'm sure it's a
(01:34):
great yarn. On the other hand, though, New Zealand First,
I'm thinking about over the ten years of Taxpayers Union,
we've often sparred along Keebi rail issues and we've always
really resented that New Zealand First somehow they must be
close to the Maritime Union or something like ways can
be inside juice on matters to do with with uh
(01:56):
inter islander, and it really bugs us. So I looked
at this. I don't actually rule out Yeah, I don't know.
Time will tell, Yeah totally.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Hey what do you Jack make of the Otago University
free free speech policy?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Ah, it's pretty good in the free speech debate, if
we can even call it that. I am not all
the way an absolutist, but pretty close to absolutist, and
I think that the pendulum has swung far too much
in the other direction over the last couple of years.
It's interesting to go through the statement that the university's
provided right because it also includes these lines, the university
(02:29):
accepts no duty to provide a space for those who
are not members of its community to advance their ideas
or theories in ways which fundamentally undermine the university's character
as an institute of higher learning. Basically, that means the
UNI can say no to controversial people from the outside,
that they're not duty bound to give those people a platform.
And you can imagine for like elements like that, there
(02:50):
could be a little bit of tension in the future
if it a really controversial figure comes along and is
invited by you know, a student union group, for example,
or a student group of some description, and then other
people at the university or the university itself says, oh,
we oppose this person's ideology. You can imagine there being
some tension, but largely yeah, I think it's great.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
I think in terms of like I mean, so Jordan,
where I land on this is that it's not a
university's place necessary to provide a venue for other people,
but for the people who belong to the university, like
the staff and the students, they should be entitled to
say what they want to say within reasonable parameters. And
this gives them that freedom, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Ye. Well, as Jack has pointed out, the pendulum has
moved totally the fact that we have to even say,
you know, well done Ottaga University. So pointing out that
the university is dark place to have tough discussions, and
you know, if you're offended, you know, boo her, it's
not our job to look. I'm coincidentally over in Sydney
(03:50):
with the Free Speech Union as we're launching there. What
it launched yesterday, The International Association of Free Speech Unions
is a whole lot of free speech advocates from around
the world, and we're sitting next to Johnavan ailing when
he got this news and he looking at his face,
he couldn't quite believe it how good it was, because
of course it was only a few weeks ago. Heither
(04:11):
we were talking about my former university that I'm utterly
ashamed of in its treatment particular issue no a Victoria
University and the fact that they called that someone that
was from New Zealand's premiere business think tank, the Initiative,
the New Zealand Initiative, as far right and neo liberal,
therefore dangerous and I mean we've got a absolutely the
(04:36):
comments they made about very mainstream people is just absolutely disgusting.
And Victoria University just allowed it to happen. They didn't
fight for free speech. And what's worse, despite being fully
text Bay funded, they won't even front up and answer
basic questions about it. So good on Otagi University. We've
been on the back foot and on the free speech
(04:58):
file in New Zealand University. About time we had a
we had a win, and this is a damn good one.
And Victoria University, you ought to be you ought to
be ashamed. This is the model.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And as former alumni of Aukland University. I think they
ought to be ashamed too and send all of our
children to Otago with this. Right, Okay, we can take
a break with you to come back and just a ticket.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right back with the Huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams Jordan,
how ridiculous is the situation with Country Kindy where they
shut a candy down because the kids have got to
ask who go to the toilet?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I was just waiting for David when he was our
position to come out with the outrage. He would clearly
wanted to absolutely slam it. And he's right, he's so refreshing.
Of course, we should be able to have our politicians
talk about these nuts decisions and the ways of the
last government set it up so they could hide behind
their officials and they did stupid, stupid things. You know,
(05:54):
I was at damn right. He should have changed that
book yesterday. I have. I've got two kids in preschool
and I don't want to go into detail because it'll
i'll no doubt be canceled. But some of the bonkers
stuff that our childcare center is required to force down
our kids throat is just nuts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I'm almost tempted to ask you to explain more, but
I will leave it there. You can tell me off there,
and then tomorrow I can say somebody who I will
not name, was telling me this story.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, surely, if you have the choice of like,
shut the place down because it hasn't done the paperwork
on its philosophy statement and you know, Lord above it
ask the kids to ask to go to the toilet
or keep the thing going, the right thing is just
keep the thing going.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, I agree with that. I think just to take
an incredibly dry position on this. If there is a
regulatory review planned for the sector, and the problem with
this candy is regulatory I kids aren't in danger. Kids
are perfectly fine, non in danger. At the moment we're
going to be reviewing the sector's regulations, Surely the sensible
thing to do is to wait until that regulatory review
(07:02):
has been completed before then making decisions, right, yeah, kind
of decisions. Well, I mean, if you know, if this
candy is breaching regulations that might not exist in a
few months time, for example, then that seems to me.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You see what you're saying like the Ministry of Education
should not be shutting down Kendy's right. Now, it's just the.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Whole thing with the Ministry of Regulation.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
So David Ceman was saying in that interview before, you know,
he wants to consider some of the regulation around this.
If he's going to be considering the regulation around this,
and potentially that regulation is the very regulation they're using
to shut this place down, then maybe we should just
wait a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, I agree totally. I mean this to me, Jordan
is a case of what has gone wrong with the
Ministry of Education.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
If you're wondering why they cannot get kids to learn properly,
it's because the fussing over stupid stuff like.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This, yep. And we wonder why our education standards are
such further and further behind. You know, what measures gets done.
And the trouble is is that I mean, and it's
not just education either, namely one government agency right now
in Wellington it is pursuing excellence in its core job.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Well I don't know, but not the reserve band.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Rotation about educating kids. It's all it's all.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, okay, hey listen, I've got something for both of
you that I haven't warned you about. So this is
going to get your real I'm going to get your real,
honest take on this.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Jack.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
How long before Darlene ton Of quits?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I reckon eight days? I reckon? I reckon honestly, the
two and a half years sitting there all by yourself,
everybody everyone hating on you. It's like you might want
to do it out of spite, but spite only fuels
you for so long.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Jordan, what do you think, pretty, I'm pretty worried about her.
I mean we were we caught a few days ago
for proof of life because you know, no one had
seen her in Hanton.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Pizza arrived at her house when a journalist was there.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
But she's still not fronting, is she? I call me
old fashioned, but I think if you're paying an one
hundred and eighty a year, you know they ought to
sort of, you know, talk to the public. I reckon
that she'll resign, you know, once she sort of has
to talk to the public. Yeah, because it's just un untenable.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Okay. I think she's going to resign the day before
she has to be back so she can maximize, which
is the end of recesses. She can maximize the amount
of money she's doing. That's what I would.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When you throw a surprise curve for let us, we
don't consider it properly.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Thank you. Guys are standing for the Greens? Next yit
for me?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Absolutely? Why not milk the system? Guys, good to talk
to you. Thank you very much. Jack Tame, host of
Q and A Saturday Morning Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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