July 11, 2024 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and Men's Health Week director Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
It's been confirmed the Interislander's Aratere ran aground after someone accidentally pushed the autopilot button and couldn't switch it off. How bad does this look? Should the company stop hiding behind inquiries?
Does Joe Biden need to step down? George Clooney and Nancy Pelosi have recently added their voices to the growing list of people telling Biden he needs to drop out of the election. Do we agree?
Was it an inappropriate use of taxpayer money to spend $110,000 on 15 bikes for Kainga Ora tenants?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nineteen away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Huddle with me this evening we've got clear to law
journalist and Mark Sainsbury, Men's health weak director and broadcast
Hello are you too?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hello there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thinks yeah, good, thank you? Unclaire, What do you make
of the inter Island? Are still pretending that they don't
know what happened on the ferry?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think they know exactly what happened, right, And I
think they're also caught up in a process with a
lot of lawyers and I don't think that's going to
surprise anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, of course, I mean if this is going to
effect possibly somebody's employment, there will be backwards and forwards
on that. So I can actually sort of understand why
the delays. It's probably obvious to people that it's one
of two things. It's either equipment error like the something
broke down, yeah, or somebody didn't for five equipment that's right,
(00:50):
And you know it'll come down to did they know
what they were doing? Were they present? But you've just
been reassured that everyone was present, who needed to be
present where they're paying attention. I think the cup of
coffee that New Zealand first threw into it is a
little bit of a distraction. It doesn't matter why this
lack of attention or this error, if that's what it is, happened,
(01:12):
it happened. You've got to get to the bottom of it.
I notice at the moment they say their sailings are
going to be without the autopilot on at any point.
So it is possible there's an autopilot problem problem, yep.
But it's also very likely with lawyers involved, that people
are looking towards the implications for their employment right saying.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So that actually makes sense, doesn't it. But I mean,
even if that's the case, they look so silly pretending
that they don't know or obfuscating.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
A nice job in that interview. Hit it because you
cut right to the point. You guys know what happened
in the memo, someone pushed the button one of the
handful of people on the bridge. They know what tepened,
but they're sort of putting it off. And our nectural
justice mok and short yip nectal justice they have to
take its part. But it makes it just makes them.
(02:02):
You're quite right. They look stupid because they are sitting
there just trying to deny something which is sort of
they've already admitted and memos and various other things. It
just makes them excuse.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They're not actually denying what happened, but they're not going
they're not attributing it to any particular thing at the
moment because, as I say, I'm pretty sure that there'll
be lawyers over this.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
They are avoiding answering some questions though, aren't they right?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Of course the timing header, I mean, you know this
is the fairies have been a sort of a thing
for New Zealand fairs. Remember there was a there was that. Yeah,
they came up with it. They raised in the house
about the propeller falling off and the rudder doing this.
There is something a connection. So this was like you
just could not believe it. Winston's acting Prime Minister. They
(02:49):
get a tip off for come on on a fairy
and you know the Kiwi Rail just must have been thinking,
oh my god, this is a this is a.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's such antication for Winston.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's not as first Rodio, No, the fair is either yeah, absolutely,
all right, guys, we'll take a quick break and then
we'll come back very shortly.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Get back of the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Clear de Law. Okay,
Saints o Luxon. Have you seen the photos of him
at the White House with hob nobbing with all the
other world leaders and how absolutely stoked he is.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Oh, that's exactly Look that's et I was looking at
the photos. He looks so excited having the best day. Oh,
it is, it is, It is really interesting. So because yeah,
it's interesting. I'm talking a few people up here the
last couple of days and sort of you know, you
know the thing over as comming, you say, with the
(03:47):
C list and the B list and that kind of thing.
There's a little bit of smartest guy in the room,
creeping and apparently but he's certainly loving the job.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yep, what do you think there? I mean, this is
this is for somebody who is a student of American politics.
This is like the moment, this.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Is his dreams come true. He's he's on the fringes
of the A listers. And you know when Joe Biden
says he loves New Zealand. I bet he's He's told
everyone he loves the country it is remember, well, you know,
I mean, it is really good that he's there. He's
getting a little bit of FaceTime. If it was me,
i'd been trying to be really cool, like yeah, sure
I belong here.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But with him, it's sort of like, oh my god,
itself in the side of the balcony shot behind I
don't know, the Japanese Prime Minister or something, and lot
of Mazelenski and he's used the tiniest bit of.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Space to make sure he gets in that photo. Say so,
how long do you give Biden before he's out?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Look, you know I watched that. When I watched that debate,
you know, I think it was the same for all
of us, no matter where your politics. Like a minute
and a half and you just wanted a dween was
like watching a car crash. And it's just got worse
and worse. And I mean, George Clooney must be the
biggest donor to the Democrats. I mean he's saying to him,
you know, I love the sky. You've got to go,
but oh God help me. The message not getting through
(05:01):
and I can understand if you'd spent your entire life, Heather,
like he has essentially in public service in the Senate,
vice president president, you know, you start thinking about your legacy.
I'm not going to resign and destroy my records sort
of thing, you know, which, which is understandable, but it's
just wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I suspect clear that the Clooney editorial is going to
be the thing that tips him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And also Nancy Pelosi, who barely coded language, was saying,
you know, it's time to make up your mind, and
she wasn't sort of saying one way or the other.
And I think it's actually pretty sad. You talk about legacy,
and I think his legacy now is going to be
quite tainted if he insists on hanging on until he
is prized out of the job. Because you know, fundamentally,
(05:47):
that debate showed a good person looking very bad and
somebody who I consider to be a bad person looking
better than he should. Yes, and it's too important that
right now. So I just think he would be well
advised to take the advice of George Clooney, who I
think was pretty brave, because you know, if he's got
a personal friendship that will now be gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
He was quite cunning though, because he also said, look,
and if we go this way, there'll be more money
for the other campaigns.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But also what a dream come true? You know, Vladimir
Zelenski was a comedian who became president. Maybe George Kuld
be the actor who becomes president Ronald Ray.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I mean, would that not be a dream? Yes, running
the free world? So even you would be into that
hot bay running the free world?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Right, Oh, look, I think I think it would be fantastic.
Although the other thing I saw the one of the
other poles in Shallow'bama. If she stood be an absolute shoean,
she would I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Why she isn't a mile Clooney ought to be Ashuran,
but she's probably bright enough to think, yeah, I will
stick with very difficult desks spots that I'm taking cases
against all over the world.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Absolutely, what do you think sane so of spending one
hundred and ten thousand dollars on fifteen bikes for kaya
order tenants?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Look, I saw it, and it's one of those classic
ones when you look at you thought this is just nuts.
The funny thing is I can sort of where I
live the building clayger or A settlements. Settlements so building
projects and things, although one of them has just been ditched.
I said it's too expensive. It's an empty lot, and
there's a big issue over when they build them. They'll
(07:21):
build forty apartments and they're fourteen car packs. Oh yeah,
you know, and all the neighbors are going well, yes,
so where the rest of the car's going.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
On the street.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So I can sort of understand why they think, okay,
let's try and give them something different and sort of
you know, cycling, it's all sort of gung ho and
this is the way to go and e bikes and
everything like that. But again it's the delivery. So it
just didn't quite work out the way it shouldn't. You know,
something never got a look and they've got vandalizer. I
think it was built with good intentions, you know, but
(07:50):
sometimes those good intentions still of take you that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You should see Claire's face right now, Claire put your
face into words, because you are not loving this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Well, you know. Then it was a pilot. It was
to roll it out elsewhere it worked. So what was
that going to cost? And you know it was going
to be very expensive. And then as somebody who's just
had her e bike stolen. I can assure you they're
pretty hot property, and I am. I am extremely impressed.
(08:19):
I'm not one of your neighbors, thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
How much did you spend on your e bike by
the way, well, I.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Was an early adopter. No, actually I went for the
bottom of the range. And I can't tell you now
because I'm so forgotten. I've forgotten. I need to I
need to get it up. I should be running the
free world.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That's right, guys, thank you very much, really appreciated. As
Mark Sainsbury Men's Health Week director and broadcaster and clear
Delorde journalists.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Nineteen away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's
International Realty exceptional marketing for every property on the.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Huddle with me this evening we've got clear to law
journalist and Mark Sainsbury, Men's health weak director and broadcast
Hello are you too?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hello there?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Thinks yeah, good, thank you? Unclaire, What do you make
of the inter Island? Are still pretending that they don't
know what happened on the ferry?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I think they know exactly what happened, right, And I
think they're also caught up in a process with a
lot of lawyers and I don't think that's going to
surprise anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That's what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Well, of course, I mean if this is going to
effect possibly somebody's employment, there will be backwards and forwards
on that. So I can actually sort of understand why
the delays. It's probably obvious to people that it's one
of two things. It's either equipment error like the something
broke down, yeah, or somebody didn't for five equipment that's right,
(00:50):
And you know it'll come down to did they know
what they were doing? Were they present? But you've just
been reassured that everyone was present, who needed to be
present where they're paying attention. I think the cup of
coffee that New Zealand first threw into it is a
little bit of a distraction. It doesn't matter why this
lack of attention or this error, if that's what it is, happened,
(01:12):
it happened. You've got to get to the bottom of it.
I notice at the moment they say their sailings are
going to be without the autopilot on at any point.
So it is possible there's an autopilot problem problem, yep.
But it's also very likely with lawyers involved, that people
are looking towards the implications for their employment right saying.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So that actually makes sense, doesn't it. But I mean,
even if that's the case, they look so silly pretending
that they don't know or obfuscating.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
A nice job in that interview. Hit it because you
cut right to the point. You guys know what happened
in the memo, someone pushed the button one of the
handful of people on the bridge. They know what tepened,
but they're sort of putting it off. And our nectural
justice mok and short yip nectal justice they have to
take its part. But it makes it just makes them.
(02:02):
You're quite right. They look stupid because they are sitting
there just trying to deny something which is sort of
they've already admitted and memos and various other things. It
just makes them excuse.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They're not actually denying what happened, but they're not going
they're not attributing it to any particular thing at the
moment because, as I say, I'm pretty sure that there'll
be lawyers over this.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
They are avoiding answering some questions though, aren't they right?
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Of course the timing header, I mean, you know this
is the fairies have been a sort of a thing
for New Zealand fairs. Remember there was a there was that. Yeah,
they came up with it. They raised in the house
about the propeller falling off and the rudder doing this.
There is something a connection. So this was like you
just could not believe it. Winston's acting Prime Minister. They
(02:49):
get a tip off for come on on a fairy
and you know the Kiwi Rail just must have been thinking,
oh my god, this is a this is a.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's such antication for Winston.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
It's not as first Rodio, No, the fair is either yeah, absolutely,
all right, guys, we'll take a quick break and then
we'll come back very shortly.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Get back of the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Clear de Law. Okay,
Saints o Luxon. Have you seen the photos of him
at the White House with hob nobbing with all the
other world leaders and how absolutely stoked he is.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Oh, that's exactly Look that's et I was looking at
the photos. He looks so excited having the best day. Oh,
it is, it is, It is really interesting. So because yeah,
it's interesting. I'm talking a few people up here the
last couple of days and sort of you know, you
know the thing over as comming, you say, with the
(03:47):
C list and the B list and that kind of thing.
There's a little bit of smartest guy in the room,
creeping and apparently but he's certainly loving the job.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yep, what do you think there? I mean, this is
this is for somebody who is a student of American politics.
This is like the moment, this.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Is his dreams come true. He's he's on the fringes
of the A listers. And you know when Joe Biden
says he loves New Zealand. I bet he's He's told
everyone he loves the country it is remember, well, you know,
I mean, it is really good that he's there. He's
getting a little bit of FaceTime. If it was me,
i'd been trying to be really cool, like yeah, sure
I belong here.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
But with him, it's sort of like, oh my god,
itself in the side of the balcony shot behind I
don't know, the Japanese Prime Minister or something, and lot
of Mazelenski and he's used the tiniest bit of.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Space to make sure he gets in that photo. Say so,
how long do you give Biden before he's out?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Look, you know I watched that. When I watched that debate,
you know, I think it was the same for all
of us, no matter where your politics. Like a minute
and a half and you just wanted a dween was
like watching a car crash. And it's just got worse
and worse. And I mean, George Clooney must be the
biggest donor to the Democrats. I mean he's saying to him,
you know, I love the sky. You've got to go,
but oh God help me. The message not getting through
(05:01):
and I can understand if you'd spent your entire life, Heather,
like he has essentially in public service in the Senate,
vice president president, you know, you start thinking about your legacy.
I'm not going to resign and destroy my records sort
of thing, you know, which, which is understandable, but it's
just wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I suspect clear that the Clooney editorial is going to
be the thing that tips him.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
And also Nancy Pelosi, who barely coded language, was saying,
you know, it's time to make up your mind, and
she wasn't sort of saying one way or the other.
And I think it's actually pretty sad. You talk about legacy,
and I think his legacy now is going to be
quite tainted if he insists on hanging on until he
is prized out of the job. Because you know, fundamentally,
(05:47):
that debate showed a good person looking very bad and
somebody who I consider to be a bad person looking
better than he should. Yes, and it's too important that
right now. So I just think he would be well
advised to take the advice of George Clooney, who I
think was pretty brave, because you know, if he's got
a personal friendship that will now be gone. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
He was quite cunning though, because he also said, look,
and if we go this way, there'll be more money
for the other campaigns.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
But also what a dream come true? You know, Vladimir
Zelenski was a comedian who became president. Maybe George Kuld
be the actor who becomes president Ronald Ray.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I mean, would that not be a dream? Yes, running
the free world? So even you would be into that
hot bay running the free world?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Right, Oh, look, I think I think it would be fantastic.
Although the other thing I saw the one of the
other poles in Shallow'bama. If she stood be an absolute shoean,
she would I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Why she isn't a mile Clooney ought to be Ashuran,
but she's probably bright enough to think, yeah, I will
stick with very difficult desks spots that I'm taking cases
against all over the world.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Absolutely, what do you think sane so of spending one
hundred and ten thousand dollars on fifteen bikes for kaya
order tenants?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Look, I saw it, and it's one of those classic
ones when you look at you thought this is just nuts.
The funny thing is I can sort of where I
live the building clayger or A settlements. Settlements so building
projects and things, although one of them has just been ditched.
I said it's too expensive. It's an empty lot, and
there's a big issue over when they build them. They'll
(07:21):
build forty apartments and they're fourteen car packs. Oh yeah,
you know, and all the neighbors are going well, yes,
so where the rest of the car's going.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
On the street.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So I can sort of understand why they think, okay,
let's try and give them something different and sort of
you know, cycling, it's all sort of gung ho and
this is the way to go and e bikes and
everything like that. But again it's the delivery. So it
just didn't quite work out the way it shouldn't. You know,
something never got a look and they've got vandalizer. I
think it was built with good intentions, you know, but
(07:50):
sometimes those good intentions still of take you that.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
You should see Claire's face right now, Claire put your
face into words, because you are not loving this.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Well, you know. Then it was a pilot. It was
to roll it out elsewhere it worked. So what was
that going to cost? And you know it was going
to be very expensive. And then as somebody who's just
had her e bike stolen. I can assure you they're
pretty hot property, and I am. I am extremely impressed.
(08:19):
I'm not one of your neighbors, thank goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
How much did you spend on your e bike by
the way, well, I.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Was an early adopter. No, actually I went for the
bottom of the range. And I can't tell you now
because I'm so forgotten. I've forgotten. I need to I
need to get it up. I should be running the
free world.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That's right, guys, thank you very much, really appreciated. As
Mark Sainsbury Men's Health Week director and broadcaster and clear
Delorde journalists.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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