Full Show Podcast: 11 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
duplicy Ellen, Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
news talk.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Said b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
I'm going to speak to the boss of the inter
Islander about why no one on the ship knew that
they had to press the button for five seconds to
get the autopilot off. Luxeon's met with Biden probably just
a quick hello at the NATO dinner, but we're gonna
go to Jason Walls and Washington to get the details.
And the BBC's rugby commentators coming into the studio to
try to convince me the English are gonna win on Saturday.

(00:34):
Heither Duplicy Ellen, it's the inter Islander. Ah, the inter Islander.
Has nobody at the inter Islander learned anything from what
happened with Transpower and the Pilon situation just a few
weeks ago. The lesson that I took from that is
you can pretend you don't know what happened until you're
blue in the face, and you can say you need
to hide behind all the inquiries that you need to
hide behind to establish the facts. But when we find

(00:56):
out what happened, and you knew what happened all along.
You're going a ridiculous And that's exactly what's just happened
with inter Islander, isn't it. They were pretending they didn't
know what happened all the while they did know exactly
what happened, because they sent out an email last Friday
to masters and deck offices telling them what happened. So
what happened? If you haven't caught up on this, and really,
what rock were you hiding under? What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
The faery was on autopilot? After all? Someone had accidentally
while it was on autopilot, someone had accidentally pressed an
execute button, which then caused the ship to start turning right.
No one then could figure out how to get the
blinking thing out of autopilot because they didn't realize that
they had to press the button down for five seconds
to get it out of autopilot. By the time they

(01:40):
did manage to actually regain control of the ship, it
was about a minute later, and it was too late.
And we know what happens. The rest is history. At
sitting on the beach right now, here's the timeline that
I find particularly interesting. So inter Islander sends out this
bulletin to the masters and the deck officers warning them
what had happened on Friday, so they knew on Friday
what had happened. Then fast forward to Tuesday this week,

(02:02):
four full days later, New Zealand first goes public with
at least part of the story right, which is that
it was on autopilot and the crew couldn't get it off,
so they knew that that was true. What did the
inter Island do on Tuesday? When New Zealand first said this,
they basically denied it by partially denying it when actually
it was mostly true. Then on Wednesday, yesterday, which is

(02:23):
now five full days later, the email is leaked, and
what did the inter Island do? Still they do not
confirm that it is true. They hide behind their ongoing
investigations and say they can't do anything. Today Thursday, now
six full days later. I am yet to see them
put their big boy pants on and admit, yep, it
is what happened, because it is clearly what happened, because

(02:46):
they said it is what happened in an email that
we were not ever supposed to see. Now, look, I
understand why organizations do this kind of thing. Why they
order inquiries and then hide behind inquiries for months on end.
At times, it's because it buys them time, and that
time allows them to devise a good pr strategy and
then hit us with the information. So oh but everything's
fixed now, you don't need to worry about it. And
also it buys them time for us to lose interest.

(03:09):
But it is a really bad strategy because it makes
them look dishonest and that is, unfortunately how the inter
Islander looks today. They knew full well what happened. It
is absolutely embarrassing to them what happened, so they don't
want to tell us, Yes, that is what happened. But
if they're not honest about it, they're the opposite. They're
dishonest eaver due for see Allen nine two ninety two

(03:31):
is the text number. Now Duncan Roy, who's the boss
of Interreland, is going to be with us after five
o'clock and is their chance to be honest about it,
So stand by for that. We'll see the government's bringing
in a new ministerial advisory group just on another subject
altogether to bring down retail crime. Now, retail crime as
we know has got quite out of hand, right, it's
increased eighty six percent in just the last five years.

(03:51):
There's been a seventy two percent rise of sexual assault
cases at retail locations. This is according to the Justice Minister,
and the government says the new advisory group will help
to bring down victims of violent crime by twenty thousand
in the next five years. Sunny Koschel is the chair
of the new Ministerial Advisory Group for Victims of Retail
Crime and joins me. Now, hey, Sonny, Sonny, what is

(04:12):
your job here? What are you supposed to do?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Well, the first of all is to do set up
this advisory group and then we need to work on
the actionable policies. You know, no one deserves to go
to work and end up in hospital or much worse.
So we believe that this is something that can be

(04:35):
solved and we're grateful that the government is taking it seriously.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
So are you supposed to set this group up and
then actually talk to the retailers and the victims of
retail crime and so on and try to pull a
bunch of ideas together for how to fix it.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
You see, the dairies or service stations or supermarkets and
growthing stores or farmers and jewelers and tradees. You know,
they will be given a charm to shape policy that
affects us all equally and us all daily. And we
would be reaching out to those business stakeholders. I mean
it could be you know, any trades or a tail

(05:12):
end Z or MTA and farmers to say what they
want and to package that up in a way that
ships policy or development of polkis And.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
So I see, you guys have been put together for
two years. But tell me, I mean you're not going
to collect ideas for two years and then pitch them
at the government. Surely you're going to pitch them at
the government as you come across really great ideas.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you will see that. We would set
the board rolling from next week and within a few
weeks we would start presenting the action of our policies
and you will be the first to hear a.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Head on that one.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Sonny am I going to hear before the minister.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Well you know what we're going to propose, because those
are the things that actually the common sales things, those
things should have been done a long time back, and
because it's all about consequences, it's all about stopping crime.
At the end of the day, crime is crying. You know,
we need to stop it.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Absolutely, Listen, you're not a man short of ideas. You've
been around retail for a very very long time. If
I can ask you for your single biggest idea right
now for how you fix things, what would it be.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Well, the first of all, we need to look at
making or supporting our police force. You know they need
proper backup. And and also these the consequences, the message
of consequences need to go out right now. The offenders
they know there are no consequences and that's how they

(06:39):
are so fearless, and they have no fear of police,
no fear of law, no fear of being caught or
any accountability.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
That's what is missing.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, So, so tough sentences.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
That's one of them. But it's going to be you know,
a good case that you're going to put together so
that anybody, any offender was going to offend, must know
that you know, he or she would be held a contable.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, good stuff, Sonny, looking forward to seeing what you
come up with that. Sunny Koschel, the chair of the
Ministerial Advisory Group Group for victims of retail crime. Hither
it would seem that the Inter Islander has exactly the
same pr consultants as Darlene Tanna. Do you think that
the same person is working for Darlen and Transpower and
Inter Island, because I would probably fire that person right now. Listen,

(07:24):
we have got good news, very good news. The first
big bank dropping its mortgage rates after the reserve banks
flip flop yesterday and more on the Reserve bank later on.
The bank is Westpac. So from tomorrow, the sixth month,
the twelve month, and the eighteen month home loan rates
are going to fall between ten, ten and twenty five
basis points. Don't worry about ten basis most who cares
about that? That's stupid. But twelve months, that's the one,

(07:45):
the year long rate, it's falling by twenty five basis points.
So that'll be the first of many. I'd imagine quarter.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Past digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper
c Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf
for business U storks a'd be.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Does he water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now? Hey, dars, greetings,
So TJ's out. Do we know how long he's out for?

Speaker 5 (08:07):
No, that won't be too long.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, all I do now is look back at Patrick
Twee Poloto and that was supposed to be five weeks
and was half an hour. But when you're really honest
about this and this, it sounds horrible because TJ did
a really good job, and we know that Philly Christie
is quite capable coming in there. Of course, who's coming
off the bench to debut? And then you got no,
I hope them there. We're all ready for camera, we

(08:33):
got to come back, so they're all kind of fighting
for s.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
So how far off TJ's level is Phinley Christy?

Speaker 5 (08:42):
That's interesting about how you want me to phrase that?
What you want to give you a number, Laura?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Is he an adequate replacement or are we going to
notice a difference.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
I don't think we'll notice too much of a difference.
I think possibly the speed of the pass off the
deck might be he might be just a touch slower
than TJ. Pettinara there. He's very combative, defensively combative, sorry, defensively,
So I'm not sure what we'll lose there. But one
thing about him. He's playing at home and he's playing

(09:15):
in a comfortable place at Eden Park. He's done the
work and he's got the confidence after what he did
with that Blues pack. Now, I think the three Loosies
probably didn't cover themselves in glory last week and they
didn't give TJ enough room to give Damian McKenzie enough room.
I think we suffered there. So I think if we

(09:36):
get six, seven and eight, because Female really wasn't or
fen Ar could be Dulton Pupley, he's probably not overly
happy with what he did either, so there is room
to improved. Is a great player, but I think that
and that's what we like about this team. There's only
one change and that's enforced by injury, so Raises basically said, right,

(09:57):
you've had a chance, you're blowing some cob webs out,
you've had to go. You know, you're commut going.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
To come in here feeling pretty CONFIDENTB Well, they've.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Only got one change as well, Joe Marler's it's very
rare conscutive test matches only one change of sides and.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
A single point loss is not something to be too
ashamed of.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
No, it's still a loss when you look though at
the the second Test and serious. I believe that the
British and Irish lines rolled us in the second teat
from over here. The Irish rolled us in the second
Test after a resounding first Test loss.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
So stake.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
It is home and I think we all want this
as all Black fans. We want something tight and brutal.
And I believe that the guys have learned a lot
on the last week. They understand each other's tendencies, they
know what the coaching staff want. They can only get better.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Slammed for this good Darcy. TJ's pass is so slow,
Christy is so much faster. Darcy Finley has a quicker
pass of deck. Darcy stumped.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Well, I'm not stump, it's all. I like the way
people go right as well. I just don't think he
gets the ball out and quick enough. I think when
from behind, the scrum off the legs of the Lucy's
and maybe he's got a bullet. I think that TJ.
Pettinara has got the experience required. So said, I don't
think we're not lose much.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Okay, really don't. Let's see, but thanks.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
For the communication, guys.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I love it all girls not losing anything, Darcy, Darcy,
it's just because I'm stoking anti TJ stuff on this show.
Looks because he irritates me.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Why does he he doesn't eat meat, because he doesn't
eat meat.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, it's really irritating and irritate. He irritates me, It
really doesn't. It's not even a secret anyway, and plus
other things. Also, we're through to the mixed doubles.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Yeah, we've got two sets of New Zealanders. Michael Venus
has gone through, which is wonderful to see. This is
on the back, of course of Lulu. You're laughing at text.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Be worrying the whok is when TJ's back, he's only
there to lead the hacker and he's a mediocre number nine.
He's got eight twenty three starts.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Before every body is behind cam Royguard. They're waiting for
cam roy Guard. And I was sneaking especially that No
Hope him in a year or two is going to
climb in front of all of them. But Hope Finley's
listening to this and he gets irritated and he comes
out and he's more more than that.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
He's Scottsford with that here and that name.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
It's very vibrant random to say at the media session,
and it is a vibrant. It's not just an Uban,
it's a full flame.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, he's fantastic. Read here, good stuff listen before I
let you go, just yes An.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
As well as Tebrowski. So we've still got some Kiwi representation.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
That will absolutely something fun to watch. Okay, what have
you got on the show this evening?

Speaker 5 (12:37):
We've got Duckton Popolli, He joins us. Story I'll caught
up today at the media session and wrested him into
a corner and pushed the mic in his face and
he dodged me and he did. And then Andre mckaylovitch
joins us he's got double world title fight coming up
on Sunday four to middle eight belts here.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Thank you appreciate it. Does he water to grow sports
or crost. He'll be back at seven this evening. It's
full twenty two the.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Dull cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's
hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Heather TJ and Christia both a major step down from
Royguard and Hotham Hotham will likely go past them. All
that's from Gooseye. Well, I think that's actually just exactly
what Darcy had said. So you bang on hither. Can
you play some clown music for Tero Island to please
I'm tempted. I am tempted. We'll see how we go.
Thank you for the idea, Dave four twenty five. Listen,
we've got more leaks of the Darling Tanner report now.

(13:31):
The leak out today details an angry confrontation between Darlene
Tanner and a migrant worker that the police were in
the and the it was an angry confrontation that the
police were then called to. The incident is apparently described
in detail in this part of the leaked report. Now,
Apparently what happened is that the migrants said that she
had come she Darling Tanner, had come to his new workplace,

(13:53):
so he'd gone to work for somebody else, and then
she'd come to his workplace March last year and threatened
him with defamation action if he persisted in an employ
complaint against her husband's bike business. The police were then called.
Now it's not clear why the police were called, whether
it was because the argument had got so heated, or
whether it was because the guy was trying to get
rid of her, or just the whole thing was inappropriate,

(14:13):
I've no idea. It doesn't say Tanna has admitted that
she did confront the worker, but she says her mama
bear instincts got the better of her, which is a
great excuse for basically anything bad that a woman does
from here on and you're just mama bear. The report
then goes into more detail about how she kept changing
her story, which is what we told you was in
the report earlier on. In the case of one of

(14:33):
the former workers, which is Santiago Le tour Palmer, he
says that he's owned twenty five thousand dollars in wages
by this business. She apparently changed her story when talking
to the Green Party three times. So she had a
meeting in February with the Green Party chief of staff
who's now since left, and Madam Davidson, the co leader,
and in that meeting she said she didn't know anything
about this guy's issues. But then the next month, March,

(14:56):
she has a meeting with senior Green Party members and
it sounds like Chloe Swarbrick in this meeting, and then
she changes her story and she says, oh, I actually
should know about it because Palmer had tooked her about it,
but she had then just referred him to her husband,
said the husband needs to deal with it. Then she
had a meeting with the lawyer who wrote this report,
Rachel Burt, and she said Chloe was interrogating her so
hard in that meeting that she had been confused, changing

(15:18):
her story for the third time. The report says it
was more likely than not that in each of the
cases she actually was aware of the potential employment issues.
So more pressure Ollie on Darlene Tannata make up her
mind about what she's going to do. Murrayolds is with
us in ten minutes that Chap who set fire to
the house has been charged with murder. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hard Questions Strong opinion, Heather due for see allan drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news talk.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Said Bee gather cool Duzy.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Weather very soon does us in ten minutes time. Murrayolds
is standing by hither Good on Darlene Tana. How refreshing
is it that her excuse wasn't mental health or stress
or social media bullying? Mama Bear syndrome. I suppose that's
one way of looking at it. Put that one, you
know what, file that one away for next time you
behave badly and you need an excuse. I'm certainly doing
that right now, so I'm definitely going to behave badly
at some stage. Luxon, Hey, this is cool for him.

(16:19):
Chris Luckson. He's obviously over at the White House at
the moment that they had this big NATO dinner, NATO
Summit dinner just in the last few hours, and he's
met with Joe Biden there now. Because he's met with
Joe Biden at a dinner, I would imagine it would
be sort of one of those ones where they just
have a quick like sort of like hello and shake
their hands and then move on. It's not going to
be any end depth conversation, but you know, at least
you could say you've met with Joe Biden. He's put

(16:41):
out a statement. This is Chris Luckson saying I had
the pleasure of talking with the President, who expressed his
love for New Zealand. It seems also he's also talked
to Vladimir Zelenski and various others, and there's a photo
of him on a balcony with Vladimir Zelenski and so on,
which definitely he should frame. Seems like he really liked
the new Prime Minister of Italy says he talked about
out all things hobbit with the delightful Prime Minister of Italy,

(17:05):
which is nice because wasn't Georgia Maloney supposed to be
the evil far right witch of Europe just a few
months ago. Delightful. Apparently Jason Walls is over there. He's
going to be with us after five o'clock. It's twenty
three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
It's the world wires on news talks'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So NATO has announced that Ukraine will be invited to
join the Alliance once all the allies agree, once all
the allies agree and certain conditions are met, and this
will probably take years if ever, and is unlikely to
happen before the current Russia Ukraine war is over. NATO
has also sent Ukraine some jets and some air defense systems,
and here's the White House National Security spokesperson John Kirby.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Clearly, air defense, as President Zelensky has rightly said, is
one of the most important needs in Ukraine right now.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
We saw that.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
For our own eyes over the weekend when the Russians
struck a children's hospital right down right and downtown keep
you've got to make sure they have these capabilities and they're.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
On the way well.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Celebrations in England are on late into the night after
their football team reached the final of the Euros. They
managed a narrow two one win over the Netherlands and
the semi final. Here's the English coach Gareth Southgate.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
It would be a I would imagine a long time since,
or if ever, an English side had sixty percent of
the ball against aside from the Netherlands.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
So it shows that the more modern England way.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And here's some space news for you. Researchers from the
University of Queensland have found a black hole that is
close to our solar system than any other on record.
Do not panic just yet. The hole is the Omega
centaury cluster. Is in the Omega centaury cluster, which is
still about eighteen thousand like years away, so we're aoka.

(18:49):
The researchers are calling this a massive black hole because
if it's much bigger than a regular black hole but
still not big enough to be a super massive black.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Hole International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Muriel's Assi correspondents with US now mus halfnoon, do you
have a graham Man? So this guy's been charged with murder.

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Has he three counts of murder relating to three of
his children. This is the twenty eight year old fellow
who police alleged set fire to the family home early
last Sunday morning about habas Won. Three children died in
the fire, two little boys two and six and a
five month old girl. The allegation, of course is that
he tried to stop neighbors and first responders getting into

(19:35):
the home and saving people.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
His wife got out, so did four other children. His
wife's now been discharged from hospital. The four children remain
in the West Meat Children's Hospital. The father, as I said,
he's twenty eight.

Speaker 7 (19:48):
He now well.

Speaker 8 (19:50):
He remains in hospital, but he was obviously in that
induced coma. He came out of that and he's now
been charged with these three murders and five counts of
attempted murder. There was no appearance today and obviously reminded
in custody and that'll be back up in a couple
of three months time and.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Still no explanation for why he did it.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
No, you know, obviously police getting a brief of evidence
together to present the court when he's up next.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, okay, that Alice Springs curfew's ended, right, there's no
decision to extend it.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
No decision to extend it. That did expire. The seventy
two hour curf you expired this morning. And the governments
that have had a meeting.

Speaker 8 (20:28):
This morning and said, you know what is not a
good idea. The town is full of It's an annual
migration into Alice Springs from a lot of people who
live remotely and I'm talking very remotely, and a lot
of people come and to see family and so on.
But what that does, of course, is according to authorities,
is create all sorts of issues when families get together.

(20:49):
You know what Christmas can be like with a pain
of the bump with Uncle Bill and he gets full
of the State school hat rack and says inappropriate stuff. Well,
that's what's happening in Alice Springs, and people are settling
grievances and having fights and so on.

Speaker 7 (21:01):
So what the government has said, guess what, We're not
going to extended.

Speaker 8 (21:05):
But what we're going to do is have the police
are going, Northern Territory police and other springs are going
to be leading like a multi agency response to this.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
One of the most exciting your sounding things.

Speaker 8 (21:17):
Is because there's two hundred and fifty million dollars been
set aside with the federal government to help set up
programs that are.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
Actually going to work.

Speaker 8 (21:26):
And one of these is a program that enrolls Indigenous
children and young adults sixteen to twenty four.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
It's a two year program. They have a place to.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
Stay in a sort of a boarding school, setup, education, training,
and ultimately employment. If you get a few things like
that going and turn some of the young people onto that,
they won't be out drinking and punching on.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
So, yeah, that's how that works.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Marz. Listen, this business about the poicassos at Hobart not
actually being pocasos. Is this a controversy or not, well.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
To the extent that people around the world have we've
been now talking about it.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
I suppose it is.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
I mean, this is a I mean the couple who
owned Mona this is a magnificent gallery just up the
river from Hobart about fifteen to twenty minute.

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Ferry right, and you're there and it is apparently.

Speaker 8 (22:14):
I've not been there. My wife's been there a couple
of times. I've not been there, but it is the
most amazing gallery. And yes, they had two picassas on
display for the last four years. But the wife of
the museum owner has revealed today on social media she
actually paid to them herself. Her name is Kersha Cacelli.
She used social media to out herself. She couldn't get

(22:36):
picassos to show in the museum. The cost of insurance
alone would be too much, so she and her girlfriend said, bugaret,
let's do some ourselves, and they have. The only way
it's come to light is because a fellow of these
two fake, fake picassos were hanging in the ladies lounge.

Speaker 7 (22:53):
Yeah, well of Sydney man was down there at OI.
How can I cargement of the ladies Lounge? It's discrimination.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
So he's gone to the legal as system in Tasmania
alleging he's been discriminated against. The lower court found yes
he has. It's now being appealed by the gallery owner
and his wife. And as part of this process, she's
come out and said this and by the way they're
not real Picassos, but she's still insisting only women can

(23:20):
see them because there's a nude and there's a luncheon
on a rug, and so she's hanging them both in
the ladies loop.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
So look it is.

Speaker 8 (23:30):
It is a bit of a tongue in cheek, the
protest by this woman, I suppose. But certainly, look, it's
made a lot of headlines over here, and a lot
of people think this museum, that this art gallery, I
beg your pardon is really the Dutch nuts are just
as fantastic.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Maz But are you telling me that this whole controversy
about the Picasso's, there were only two Picassos and neither
of them are real.

Speaker 7 (23:52):
Not the Picassos real.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
No, she went down to two Pocassos.

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Well, there was one that was Apparently she's up in
Paris this year. She's gone to an art exhibition in Paris.
Sure enough, there's one of the Picasso's that she copied,
and she reckons hers is better. So to the xt Look,
I don't know two for Caso. She went to Bunning's,

(24:16):
got a sixth sense paintbrush and went back home and
knocked these two up.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
And make the world's been believing her up. Yeah, picsso
so whatever, Mars.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Thank you very much. Crazy things. Murriol's Australia corresponding, Okay,
so this bird, Okay, so she's gone public. She is
married to the art gallery Zoner and she's gone. But
she's just stirred up so much controversy with trying to
make a point about male privilege and stuff by keeping
the blokes out of seeing the Pocasso. She's gone. On
the website it appears voluntarily but maybe forced by the

(24:46):
Carcase admitted they're not real, and she said the reason
that she did them was she did them in green
because I wished for the lounge to be monochrome, and
I also had time working against me, not to mention
the cost of insuring a Picasso exorbitant exclamation mark. A
few days later, I was having drinks with my friend
Natalie be Natalie loves being roped into this. Maybe I
should just make the paintings myself, I said, We laughed,

(25:08):
how absurd, and then, as with many absurd ideas, I
decided it was a good one. What Dick quarter two.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Right, Barry Soper, our senior political correspondence with US.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon here.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So this will be a.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Big thing for Chris Lackson, right, just even if all
he got was a handshake with Joe Biden.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
Well, I don't know whether you have seen the photographs
from the White House, Heather. He couldn't be more ecstatic.
He's like the cat that's got the cream. But he
admits that he is a bit of a sucker when
it comes to American politics. And he went through the
Congress both sides yesterday and met a congressman and senators

(25:52):
last night or probably in the last few hours in Washington.
He was at the White House seventy anniversary dinner for NATO,
and he did have a chat to Joe Biden. I
hope Biden remembers because if Donald Trump does win the
White House, which is widely expected later this year. You

(26:13):
remember he's talked about ten percent tariffs on any imports
into the United States, so that could impact New Zealand greatly.
But look, at least he got to talk to the president.
He also got to meet Sir Kiir Starmer from the
from Great Britain and you know, that would have been,
I guess a good meeting for him, even if it

(26:35):
was a bit of a pulicide, because New Zealand it's
very important for us to be known by the British leadership.
And then jasind Diane's old mates, the French ded Duck
president Emanuel mccron. He met with him and the Canadian
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. So he did the round and

(26:57):
judging by his face, he's, like I said, a bit
like the captain's got the cream.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
It turns out New Zealand First was pretty much mostly
right about what happened on that ferry.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
Yes, it's fascinating, isn't it. The only thing they may
be wrong about is that somebody went off the bridge
for coffee that was in charge of the steering gear.
But we all have now seen the advisory that was
put out to masters what have you that run these fairies,
saying that you've got to understand how to work the

(27:29):
auto pilot, and it would seem that they didn't know
how to do it. The New Zealand First ex posting
said that someone put the auto pilot on, went off
for a coffee and couldn't turn it off in time
that someone came back, well it would seem that is
the case, but whether they went for coffee or whatever,

(27:51):
who knows. The Kiwi Rail general manager of inter Island
Operations Duncan Roy, he said there is no cover up,
although instant Peter says there is, and Peters is questioning
the need a bit like transpar and the toppling over
of the pylon recently. Header Peter's saying, why do we
have to spend time and money on a month long

(28:14):
investigation internal, I might say, into what happened on the ferry, Well,
it's as plain as the nose on your face.

Speaker 10 (28:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Quite.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
We're going to talk to them after five o'clock see
what we can find out. What do you make this
Ministerial Advisory Group on retail crime? I mean there is
You can criticize us for being just another working group ran.

Speaker 9 (28:32):
Well, you know, and look, I think the retailers in
this country have been through a hall of a time
and the government or officially they would put the loss
to retail at about a billion dollars. The retailers say
it's closer to two point six billion. You see Michael
Hill Jewelers closing down at various places, and they really

(28:53):
have been through a torrid time. But why have the
ministerial working group? Do we know what's sure, what's wrong
with people busting in and doing ram raids and.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
What have you?

Speaker 9 (29:07):
To retailer Sonny Kerschel, he's going to cheer the group,
but it's going to cost one point eight million dollars
for the next each of the next two years, which
seems a hell of a lot of money to put
into an advisory group. They're not there to take advice
from ministers, there to give the advice two ministers, So
you know, it does make you wonder why four to

(29:30):
five people on this advisory group that there will eventually
be are why it absolutely needed when the problems to
address this sort of issue have been now around for
some considerable time.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, very fair point, Thank you very much, appreciate. It's
very so for senior political correspondence coming up eight away
from five putting.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
The tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking.

Speaker 11 (29:52):
Breakfast the Reserve banker's hinting headline inflation could return to
its three percent target within a matter of months.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Former Reserve Bank economists Michael Ridella, now, are you full
of confidence, not.

Speaker 12 (30:02):
In the Reserve Bank or in the economy. I mean,
yesterday's statement was certainly a shift in the right direction,
but it was a real lurch.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
You know.

Speaker 12 (30:08):
It's very, very different in tone from the statement they
brought out only six weeks ago, which was then talking
about possible rate hypes later this year and not even
beginning to cut into August next year. So you know,
it's all over the place, and in fact people aren't
rolling out now.

Speaker 10 (30:20):
The possibility of cutting August.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
It depends a.

Speaker 12 (30:23):
Lot on what next week's SEPTI does. But he in
November seems like it's more Lee.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
In the day.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Andrew Diggins on the mi casking breakfast back tomorrow at
six am with Jaguar on news.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Talks'd be five away from five US And I'm getting
a lot of texts along this line, hither, if the
fairy has autopilot, why would it be programmed to run aground?
They must not have put any way points into it,
so it should never have been allowed to be activated.
That's from Dave. What appears to have happened is that
the autopilot was put on in a place where it
was absolutely fine for the autopilot to be on and
it seems to have been working. Okay, that's the assumption. Anyway,

(30:55):
somebody accidentally pressed and execute button. So perhaps the execute
like perhaps the thing that was supposed to execute was
a right hand turn, and they pressed it accidentally early
and started right hand turning into the beach and they
couldn't get it off. That's what happened. So it wasn't
the autopilot that was taking it into the beach, it
was the execute button that was accidentally pressed anyway into islander.

(31:17):
Boss Duncan Roy's going to be with us just after
five so he can explain all of that to us.
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (32:18):
How good is it to have the old air New
Zealand back, the old cheeky Air New Zealand. I love
it so as a result of that, like that is
how easy it is to get on the show. All
you need is a bit of sense of humor. We
just canceled what we were going to do before and
we said you were making space for you at quarter
past five because we need all of the absolute bum
bum bum puns that we possibly can get, and it
gives us another opportunity to have a crack at New

(32:38):
Plymouth over that ridiculous situation. Heads up on the warehouse,
there are job cuts coming for the warehouse head office.
It's a big head office. Actually there's over a thousand
people who work there. So they're going to announce a
restructure next week. Media've got wind of it. Don't know
how many jobs are going to go. Just know that
the thing is going to happen. And I think shareholders
will be pleased about this because clearly some things need

(32:59):
to be cut in that place. I mean they posted
a twenty four million dollar loss for the six months
to January, already got rid of the chief executive and
a whole bunch of other people in the c suite,
So yeah, that's going to have to happen. Also a
sign of the economy. Thank you, Adrian or Inter Island
and next News Talk ZB.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to Clan drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected a news talk as said, be.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Afternoon. Back to the art's heady. Thanks to eleaked email,
we now know why the faery grounded. Autopilot was on
and the crew couldn't take it off because they didn't
know that they had to press the button down for
five seconds.

Speaker 7 (33:49):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
The linked email was from inter Island. It was a
safety bulletin sent to masters and deck offices and it
went out last Friday until now. The only thing that
KiwiRail has really said publicly is that it's still investigating
the incident and Hue rails into Ryland. The general manager
is Duncan roy Hey, Duncan Hi, Heather, was the ferry
put on autopilot accidentally?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
The fairy sales and autopilot. Occasionally that master is able
to choose when and where he does standard procedure, they
have it on autopilot for some and as the heart
of Master and picked and said yesterday, it was perfectly
appropriate for to be on autopilot in that part of
the sounds.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yep on this occasion. Was it an.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Accident, sorry, an accident that it was on autopilot.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
That it was put onto autopilot?

Speaker 2 (34:35):
No things are put on autopilot deliberately.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
What we've got here, Heather, is there's an equivalent of
a maritime black box on a ship and that has
the technical data about what was happening at the time.
So we brought an International Express and had a look
at that and they've said that there was an execute
button that was pushed while it was an autopilot, which
caused the ship to turn to the right to start it.

(35:00):
And that's the what, So we know what the what is.
Now what we don't understand is the how or the why.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Get right down.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
So it was supposed to be an autopilot, but the
execute button was accidentally pressed which caused it to turn.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
That's correct. There was an execute button that was that
we know was pushed. We don't know why it was pushed,
and that's part of the investigation we're doing to find
out the how and the.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Why did the crew then have difficulty getting it off autopilot.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
So that's the how and the why, Heather, and that's
what we're waiting for the investigation to find out.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
What did you know? Because you will read it because
the bulletins.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And what we've got to do is we're going to
go through this formal investigation so that we do a
fair process to our people and we get the facts
so we know so we're not speculating the bulletin. I
know what the speculation was. I do know that the
button was pushed according to the data. And now we're
going to wait for the investigation to come out and
tell them.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
The safety bulletin says that the team attempted to switch
back to steering mode hand steering mode, but was unable
to override the autopilot in time. Is that correct or not?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
That is what is a sermation. We put that safety
bulletin out as part of good maritime practice to let
the rest of the fleet know.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
So you put out that safety bulletin, did.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
You yet that was released by.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
So you put out the safety bulletin that said that
they were unable to override the autopilot in time. So
that is accurate.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Oh, that's what we believe. But we're waiting for the
facts to come out from the in depth investigation. Okay,
because what you need to do with the safety bulletin
is a flash report to get it out to your
people so that they could be aware it's good maritime
practice and understand and time what's going on.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Did they have trouble getting it off autopilot because they
didn't realize they had to push the button down for
five seconds.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's all part of the investigation that's on going.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yes, but is that your understanding at this point in
time they didn't know they had to press it down
for five seconds.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I don't. I'm waiting for the investigation hither because I'm
not going to speculate, and we're waiting to have a
fair and equable process for the people that are involved
in this.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to
get it out of autopilot?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
The people on that ship were qualified at the time,
And as I said here that this is speculation, we've
got to go through this.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Don't do This're dunken. Look, you guys look silly. If
there is a bi bulletin that's gone out which tells
people what's going on, and then you're sitting here on
the radio telling me you can't talk about it, you
look silly. So let's talk about it like adults. Okay.
Was there somebody on that ship who knew how to
get it out of autopilot? Or was there nobody on
that ship who knew?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Here that As I said, I'm going to be fair
to the people in the investigation, We're going to let
the process follow We've had the black box, which has
told us the fact, the fact that the button was pushed.
That's what we know. We'll wait for the rest of
the investigations to go on so that we know what
occurred factually the.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Person who knew how to get it out of autopilot?
Were they on the bridge with everybody else or had
they gone off for a coffee.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
So there's a regulatory number of people that have to
be on the bridge at any one time, and especially
in coastal waters, and there's a master, a number two helmsman,
and someone observing, and we follow those regular regulatory requirements
without exception. And on that night, those people were on
the bridge, and.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Did any of them know how to get it out
of autopilot?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
As I said hither, the facts will come out when
the investigation completes. But those people were part of the investigation,
and I'm not going to speculate. We're going to have
a fair process. We're going to be follow the facts
and that will come out.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
When did you guys realize enough to put that bulletin out?

Speaker 2 (38:40):
The bulletin came out as standard maritime practice because we
wanted to get out to the fleet after the event,
so that the rest of the fleet knew what an
event and knew that the button had been pushed. As
you'll see in that bulletin, it says that this is
summation and that we'll have more to know when the
investigation finishes. The bulletin states.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
The bulletin came out on July the fifth, which is
fully six days ago. How long before the bulletin did
you actually know what had really happened?

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well, the technicians came across from overseas. They're international technicians,
and as soon as we had the facts from the
black box, we put it out on the bulletin.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Okay, so you basically found out on July the fifth,
you found out six days ago.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, because we had to bring the technicians across and
the tour.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Didn't you tell us when you put that bulletin out?
Why don't you tell the rest of us what had happened?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Because either we're going through the investigation, this is the
part we can't surmise. We've got to be.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Fair to come on you and I know what this
investigation is about, right. This investigation is just about giving
you guys a bit of time to be able to
come up with a pr strategy so you can say
you fixed everything. You don't look as ridiculous as you
do right now. Yah, mind it.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's about our people here, it's about the process, and
it's about being fair to those people that are being
investigated now by two external investigators, the Transport Investigation Can
the Maritime New Zealand and our internal investigation. Most people
deserve the right to be able to go through the
process of that speculation and have a fear and equitable here.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
How long is your inquiry going to take?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Our one?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Is?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
We're going through it. I expected. I'll he's coming back
in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
All right, look forward to talking to you. Duncan listen.
Thank you very much for coming on the show. I
appreciate it. That's Duncan Roy Inter Island A general manager.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Heather due for celis to Washington.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Prime Minister Chris Luxon has just got to meet US
President Joe Biden. He's wrapped up a dinner at the
White House, which is of course attended by all NATO's allies,
heads estate and Jason Wolves is our political editor in Washington. Hey,
Jason good on, Good afternoon. He so do we know
how this came about, how did that? How long did
they chat for? Where did they chat? What happened?

Speaker 13 (40:44):
Well, it was the White House banquet dinner thrown by
Joe Biden. So it started at roughly eight pm Washington time,
which is around mid day New Zealand time, and it
wrapped up a couple of hours later, and so we
probing journalists just wanted to get a little bit of
a insight as what happened. So we got a wee
statement from the Prime Minister saying who he met with

(41:04):
and briefly what he talked about. Of course, he met
with US President Joe Biden and the First Lady, and
he said he had a nice chat with the with
the President who expressed his love for New Zealand. He
also had a good chat with the newly elected British
Prime Minister Kiastama and he congratulated him on the election victory.

(41:26):
And then also interesting he interestingly he spoke with President.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Zelenski as well.

Speaker 13 (41:31):
It didn't go into detail the statement as to what
they talked about, but it did go on to say
that he quote talked all things hobbit with the Prime
Minister of Italy, so quite a few different conversations going on.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
It sounds like he's quite taken with her. I described
her as delightful. Yeah, is in Washington? Is Biden all
that anyone's talking about?

Speaker 13 (41:53):
It is the only story that's happening here. And of
course the NATO summer was supposed to be all about
Russia's invasion of a Ukraine and some more aid going
that way. But of course this story about Joe Biden
and his if he's fit to run for president again
is the only story that people are talking about, more
so than if Donald Trump is somebody who should be

(42:14):
on the Republican ticket. And this morning it got to
this peak level of interest I think for the retail consumer,
with George Clooney penning a letter saying essentially, Joe Biden,
you should stand aside. Now, a lot of Americans might
have heard some some senators or some congress people that
they might never have heard of before say that Joe
Biden should step down. They would have seen the debates

(42:35):
and seen it for themselves. But given that George Clooney
is such a household name, I think this has pushed
it to a whole other level.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
For the president.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, I would actually agree with you on that. Jason,
Thank you very much. Jason Wall's newsalg ZIB's political editor
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Speaker 14 (43:43):
Here?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
The snap great grilling of this guy into islander looking
like chumpsy ain't fooling us? And there's more of that in.
New Zealand has weighed in on the G string at
the pool debate, telling Keywis to forget the new Plymouth
Pool in its petition and fly to the Pacific Islands instead.
And while here we go, they've just conveniently added tens
of thousands of seats this summer. The angerity is in

(44:04):
New Zealand's chief customer and sales officer and with us
Haleyan Hey, Heather, how are you? I'm well, thank you,
But you are making an assumption that the Pacific Islands
are going to be okay with the old G string,
aren't you.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Ah.

Speaker 15 (44:15):
Look, we're just having a little bit of cheeky fun
and we're not going to try and offend anyone, but
we think it's a great way to highlight all of
the fabulous island destinations we have on the network.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Do you think, Omen, do you think that we have
got the money at the moment to be flying to
the Pacific given the situation with the economy. Is there
still some money out there?

Speaker 14 (44:35):
Oh?

Speaker 15 (44:36):
Well, our demand would suggest that people are still finding
ways to take that trip and have a holiday and
a breakaway. So yeah, look, I think there's some still
definitely a desire for people to travel.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Are you guys, Choker at the moment?

Speaker 15 (44:50):
Oh, We've got some pretty heavy loads at the moment.
We're in the middle of the holiday period, so yeah,
there's plenty of people traveling around.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Are you guys seeing the same thing the House to
Travel is seeing at the moment? W Which is that
you're getting? I think it was House of Travel or
flight scence. I'm not sure, but either way, one of
them is seeing increased bookings in the school holidays and
a decreased booking during school term.

Speaker 15 (45:09):
There's definitely some changes. I don't actually have those statistics
on me at the moment, Heather, but we do see
change travel patterns, and I think people really are booking
in line with what they can afford and when they've
got the time available to go away.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Leanne, are you going to the Pacific this summer.

Speaker 15 (45:28):
I might make a cheeky trip to the Pacific this summer, Heather,
I might do that.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Packing your G string, well, I've had four kids.

Speaker 15 (45:37):
So I'm not thinking anyone's wanting to see me in
a G string. I'm more of a full piece girl.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Got to be honest with you, mate, I'm with you.
Lean GERIZI in New Zealand, Chief Customer and sales officer. Yeah,
we're going to get to those texts about the inter
islandon just to take five to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected a used talks.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
It'd be Chris Jones BBC Rugby commentator is going to
be with us just after the news, talk us through
whether he thinks the English have God in them to
beat the all Blacks. This weekend is coming up five
to twenty five. We have to talk about the Reserve
Bank and that flip flop yesterday. Look, I think, reflecting
on it overnight, I think Adriana has lost a bit
of credibility here by lurching from one extreme to the other.
And what I mean by that, like it was quite

(46:21):
a big lurch. You know, in the space of six weeks.
Six weeks ago, he was threatening us with a possible
rate hike, and then yesterday, six weeks later, he's gone
to completely the other extreme and has basically indicated that
the next move in either direction is down. Now, how
can you justify that in the space of six weeks
nothing has changed that much in the economy. I mean,
it's not like we're undergoing volatility at the moment like

(46:41):
we were during COVID, where literally things were changing from
one day or one week to the next. The economy
at the moment has only been headed in one direction
for a very long time, which is down, and frankly
so has inflation, which is down. So it's very hard
to argue that in the space of six weeks there's
a justification for swinging wildly from literally one end to
the other end of the spectrum. Now I can't understand

(47:02):
why he's doing this, because he's trying to do what
many Reserve bank governors have done in the past, which
tried to draw bone us into believing things right, and
in his case, he's trying to jaw bone us into
believing things would be getting worse with the interest rates,
but it was not believable because even six weeks ago,
if you cast your mind back, all the talk was
that he was bluffing. And to that point, one economist
said yesterday after the OCR announcement that nothing much had changed.

(47:26):
Even though the Reserve Bank had gone from potential hikes
to potential cuts, nothing much had changed, which indicates even
that economists didn't believe him.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
The problem with this, I think, is what it says
about him, because I think we'd like to believe that
the guy who has arguably the single biggest impact on
our economy is a serious, credible, calm person, not a
person who plays games and tries to gaslight businesses and consumers,
interfering far worse than is actually possible. It's really hard
to respect someone who plays games like this, especially to

(47:56):
this extent, and I think he should be worried about
this because it says a lot about his lost credibility
that already six weeks ago hardly anyone believed him. It
makes it very hard for him to bluff us in
the future or try to scare us in the future.
It's basically like this when Adrian All says in the
future that he's going to do something. Are you actually
going to believe him or are you just going to
believe all the commentators who say that he doesn't mean it. No,
I think that's not a great position for the Reserve
Bank governor to have now put himself in.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Heather, the guy from.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
The Into Islander probably belongs to the seamen's union. He's
more interested in the company's employees than the shareholders and customers.
That's what he wants you to That's what I think
he wants you to think. Peter, I think he wants
you to think that he can't answer the questions out
of altruism for his employees. What about this? Did they
train the employees pop properly? Did they actually tell the
employees you got to press that button down for five seconds?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
As it?

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Possibly actually into Ireland's fault here that he's very shady
about the truth. Here the great interview read the Into
Islanders so pleased the ship and guy looked after the
interest of his people, didn't throw them under the bus.
I refer to my previous point here that this bloke
should be put in for the CEO position, which is
now vacant at Transpower. Well qualified quite here that why
do you need to take cognition to tell you what happened?

(49:01):
Just ask the Bridge team. I think they've already, Andy.
I think it's clear they've already asked the Bridge team
and they already know what happened, which is why they
wrote the email on Friday. They just don't want to
have to tell you what happened. It's just a petty
we've already found out. Anyway, This is my prediction. When
it finally comes out, they're just going to repeat what
was in that email and we're just going to laugh
about and play some clown music.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Headline's next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather first. Heather
duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 8 (49:34):
No funny.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
I'm a double shout of whiskey.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
There's a party because one.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Of the trailing material was incorrect or someone had updated
the software and the autopilot didn't work as it did, Steve,
that is entirely possible. It is entire they did. They
did a little update, didn't they on the ferry and
it's possible they didn't actually tell the crew that you
needed to press the button for five seconds to take
the autopilot off, so you have to leave that open
as an option. This is actually potentially interial unders fault.
We will see at the end of the inquiry. Listen

(50:03):
sin Lay's chair is going to be with us after
six because man alive. They're going to be breathing a
sigh of relief. They managed to get that support from
the shareholders they needed to save the company or get
you across the details. It's not the end of the matter.
By the sales of things to get you across the
details shortly and the huddle standing by the All Blacks
in England name so. They have named their teams for
the second Test match at Eden Park on Saturday. There's
just one change for both teams. Finley Christie's going to

(50:25):
start in the place of t J Perinado who's out
with an injury, and Finn Baxter is going to start
in the place of Joe Mahler, both again another one
another injury sustaining last week's match. Chris Jones is a
BBC rugby commentator and is with us now in the.

Speaker 11 (50:37):
Studio Hey, Chris, great to be here.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Heather, how are you feeling confident?

Speaker 11 (50:41):
I think there's a degree of confidence because this England
team has been on a good trajectory. You know that
they struggled a year ago, got to the third place
of the World Cup, then come the Six Nations Again,
the start didn't look up too much and then ever
since the midpoint of the Six Nations have really been
been growing and they will have seen last weekend as
a missed up oportunity. Their challenge now is to go right.

(51:02):
They can go toe to toe with the All Blacks.
There are areas to work on. Can they fix those
because you know the All Blacks are going to be
coming strong, especially at a place like head In Park.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Absolutely. What do you make you think you think that
confident because of how they're performing. When you look at
how the All Blacks are performing, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Well?

Speaker 11 (51:16):
I think it was really noticeable. The main emotion from
Scott Robertson after the game was relief, wasn't it. It
wasn't kind of ecstasy, it wasn't joy, It wasn't kind
of unbridled happiness. It was just relief because he's been
waiting for this job for so long, not just the
kind of years with the Crusaders, but even the last
sixteen months since he's been appointed.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And you can't really.

Speaker 11 (51:33):
Start with the loss of the All Blacks coach, can't you.
And he would have had it up against it because
you know their preparation was only ten days England been
in camp for longer, England looking settled, the All Blacks
and a load of players not around since the World Cup.
So they then played in eight months have felt like
the chance for England to catch New Zealand cold, and
they almost did so Robertson probably feels so relieved he's
got that done.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
An extra week together.

Speaker 11 (51:55):
Really noticeable how both coaches have gone, Look, let's not
mess around with the team selection. Of course Peranara and
Marlin need to be replaced, but Robertson is thinking, not
have much time make the one change he's got to make.
Apart from that, it's just about getting those combinations, honing
them and trying to get the Scott Robertson All Blacks
way up and running.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
What is it about the English team that has become
so difficult for the All Blacks lately? It feels like
they they are harder to beat than they should be.

Speaker 11 (52:19):
I think that those are the operative words hard to
beat and I think this England team has become hard
to beat, and I think that's something Steve Borthwick, the coach,
has been trying to drill in them for the last
year eighteen months or so. I think it's to do
with the defense, things to do with some of the
types of players they've got now, you know, kind of
out of nowhere. England have got a core of young
guys that have really announced themselves on the international stage.

(52:40):
You wouldn't have seen loads of them down here because
it was mainly during the Six Nations. But guys like
Channlaer Cunning himself is familiar because he knows New Zealand
so well having lived here as a boy. Guys like
many fair Bosa, George Martin at second row. There's a
few players now who just started to look more and
more comfortable at Test level, and the more comfortable to
get the more experienced, to get them more chance they'll

(53:00):
have a winning those kind of arm wrestlers. But all
Steve Borthwick coach teams over the years have been really
hard to beat, first and foremost and he's definitely trying
to instill this in England team.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
What's you take on Raiser? Is he the one?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Look?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I think it was his time.

Speaker 11 (53:12):
I wouldn't say the whole process was handled that well,
was it?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
You know?

Speaker 14 (53:15):
He was?

Speaker 11 (53:17):
I dare say there's been a few hours of air
time on this station taken up talking about how it
was all handled with kind of you know, it looked
like Ian Foster was going to go in twenty twenty two,
kind of getting the stay of execution, then being told
you're not going to continue even if you win the
World Cup, which he so only did a man. They
got so close in that that final, But it's felt
as if Roberson has been the coming man for years.
It's so interesting he's not part of this, this lineage

(53:39):
of all Blacks coaches that you've had with Sir Graham,
Henry and Steve Hanson and Foster, all great mates, worked
for each other, all a certain style, certain type of personality,
done wonderful things. Robertson's different, isn't he. You know, He's
got that kind of unique personality. The way he thinks
and talks and answers questions very very different. So it's
exciting for us to get to know someone new, but
ultimate and All Blacks coach is judged the whitewashes, isn't

(54:02):
he You know, he's not affod to.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
He can't afford to lose the first match. Can he
afford to lose the second?

Speaker 2 (54:06):
No?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I think I mean, I think he can.

Speaker 14 (54:08):
He can.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
I think that'd be I was going to say a
degree of patients from the All Blacks fans, but I
don't think. You know, it's not the most patient fan
based on you guys demand success and understandably, so I
think when he knows what's coming up with, you know,
games against South Africa Rugby Championship tour at the end
of the year, I think he saw this England series
and probably thought, oh, that's a banana skin, that that's tricky.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
That's a bit of a tough.

Speaker 11 (54:31):
Series to get through, no time with the players having
to deal with and you set up lots of experienced
players overseas on not available new captain. So I think
if he came away with two nil, regardless of how
it comes about. And I know All Blacks fans want
running rugby and triest in the end of the earth,
but I think any too nil against an England team
that have come down here with a real point to
prove would be a really good result for Robertson to
get that Regiene up and running.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Chris, thank you, I really appreciate you. I hope you
have a terrible knight on set.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
I'm sure we will.

Speaker 11 (54:58):
I think I look either way, it's Testmach to Eden Park.
We've loved O weekn aalk and we've loved us Day
New Zealand, so let be going to have a good
sign whatever, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Thank you so much mate, go well. That's Chris Jones
BBC Rugby commentator, nineteen away.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
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Speaker 3 (55:16):
With me this evening, we've got Claire Delord, journalist and
Mark Sainsbury Men's health weak director and broadcaster. Hello are
you too?

Speaker 16 (55:21):
Hello there?

Speaker 12 (55:22):
Thanks?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Good?

Speaker 17 (55:23):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Claire? What do you make of the inter Island? Are
still pretending that they don't know what happened on the ferry?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (55:28):
I think they know exactly what happened right, And I
think they're also caught up in a process with a
lot of lawyers, and I don't think that's going to
surprise anyway that's what's going on. Well, of course, I
mean if this is going to effect possibly somebody's employment,
there will be backwards and forwards on that. So I
can actually sort of understand why the delays. It's probably
obvious to people that it's one of two things. It's

(55:49):
either equipment error like the something broke down, yeah, or
somebody didn't do the five sequipment that's right, And you
know it'll down to did they know what they were doing?
Were they present? You've just been reassured that everyone was
present who needed to be present, where they're paying attention.
I think the cup of coffee that New Zealand first

(56:12):
threw into it is a little bit of a distraction.
It doesn't matter why this lack of attention or this error,
if that's what it is, happened, it happened. You've got
to get to the bottom of it. I notice at
the moment they say their sailings are going to be
without the autopilot on at any point, So.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
It is possible there's an autopilot problem problem yep.

Speaker 16 (56:33):
But it's also very likely with lawyers involved, that people
are looking towards the implications for their employment right saying.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
So that actually makes sense, doesn't it. But I mean,
even if that's the case, they look so silly pretending
that they don't know or obfuscating a nice.

Speaker 10 (56:50):
Job in that interview, Hitter, because you cut right to
the point. You guys know what happened in the memo,
someone pushed the button one of the handful of people
on the bridge. They know what's happened, but they're sort
of putting it off. And our natural justice and short ye,
natural justice does have to take its part, but it
makes it just makes them that you are quite right,

(57:11):
they look stupid because they are sitting there just trying
to deny something which is sort of they've already admitted
and memos and various other things.

Speaker 18 (57:19):
That just makes some excusees.

Speaker 16 (57:21):
They're not actually denying what happened, but they're not going
they're not attributing it to any particular thing at the moment,
because as I say, I'm pretty sure that there'll be
lawyers over this.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
They are avoiding answering some questions though, aren't they right?

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Of course, the.

Speaker 10 (57:37):
Timing header, I mean, you know this is the fairies
have been a sort of a thing for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
First, remember there was there was Yeah, they came up
with it.

Speaker 10 (57:46):
They raised in the house about the propeller falling off
and the rudder doing this. There is something a connection.

Speaker 12 (57:52):
So this was like you just could not believe it.

Speaker 10 (57:54):
Winston's acting Prime minister.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
They get a tip.

Speaker 10 (57:58):
Off when I'm a fairy in you know the Kiwi
rail just must.

Speaker 12 (58:04):
Have been thinking, oh my god, this is this is
the night.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
It's such andication for Winston.

Speaker 16 (58:11):
It's not as first Rodio, no the fairies either.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, absolutely, all right, guys, we'll take a quick break
and then we'll come back very shortly. It's coming up
quarter two.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
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Speaker 3 (58:28):
Get back of the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and clear delor
okay Saints o Luxon. Have you seen the photos of
him at the White House with hob nobbing with all
the other world leaders and how absolutely stoked he is.

Speaker 9 (58:38):
Oh that's exactly. Look that's.

Speaker 10 (58:42):
Make I was looking at the photos. He looks so
excited having the best day. Oh it is, it is.
It is really interesting. So because yeah, it's interesting. I'm
talking a few people up here the last couple of
days and sort of, you know, you know the thing
ivers common say with the sea in the B list
and that of thing. There's a little bit of smartest

(59:02):
guy in the room creeping and apparently, but he said
loving the job.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Yep, what do you think there? I mean, this is
this is for somebody who is a student of American politics.
This is like the moment, this is his dreams come true.

Speaker 16 (59:15):
He's he's on the fringes of the A listers. And
you know, when Joe Biden says he loves New Zealand,
I bet he's He's told everyone he loves the country.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Whatever it is, I don't remember, you know.

Speaker 16 (59:26):
I mean, it is really good that he's there. He's
getting a little bit of FaceTime. If it was me,
I'd been trying to be really cool, like yeah, sure
I belong here.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (59:33):
But with him, it's sort of.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Like, oh my god, himself in the side of the balcony,
shot behind I don't know, the Japanese Prime Minister or
something in lot of Mazelenski, and he's used the tiniest
bit of space to make sure he gets in that
photo saying, so how long do you give Biden before
he's out?

Speaker 10 (59:50):
Oh look, you know I watched that. When I watched
that debate, you know, I think it was the same
for all of us, no matter we your politics. Like
a minute and a half and you squatted a dween
watching a car crash, and it's just got worse and worse.
And I mean, George Clooney must be the biggest donor
to the Democrats. I mean, he's saying to him, you know,
I love this guy. You got to go, but oh

(01:00:11):
God help me. The message is not getting through. And
I can understand if you'd spent your entire life, Heather,
like he has essentially in public service in the Senate,
vice president president, you know, you start thinking about your legacy.
I'm not going to resign and destroy my records sort
of thing, you know, which which is understandable, but it's
just wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
I suspect clear that the Clooney editorial is going to
be the thing that tips him.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
Yes.

Speaker 16 (01:00:37):
And also Nancy Pelosi, who barely coded language, was saying,
you know, it's time to make up your mind, and
she wasn't sort of saying one way or the other.
And I think that's actually pretty sad. You talk about legacy,
and I think his legacy now is going to be
quite tainted if he insists on hanging on until he
is prized out of the job. Because you know, fundamentally,

(01:01:00):
that debate showed a good person looking very bad and
somebody who I consider to be a bad person looking
better than he should. Yes, and it's too important that
right now. So I just think he would be well
advised to take the advice of George Clooney, who I
think was pretty brave, because you know, if he's got
a personal friendship that will now be gone.

Speaker 10 (01:01:19):
Yeah, he was quite cunning though, because he also said, look,
and if we go this way, there'd be more money
for the other campaigns.

Speaker 16 (01:01:28):
But also what a dream come true? You know, Vladimir
Zelenski was a comedian who became president. Maybe George could
be the actor who becomes president.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Ronald Ray, I mean, would that not be a dream? Yes,
the free world? So even you would be into that
hot bab running the free world?

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
Right, Oh, look, like I think I think it would
be fantastic. Although the other thing I saw the one
of the other poles in the Shallow Bama if she
stood a shoean she would.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I don't know why she.

Speaker 16 (01:01:55):
Isn't a mile Clooney ought to be Ashuran, but she's
probably bright enough think, yeah, I will stick with very
difficult dest spots that I'm taking cases against all over
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Absolutely, what do you think saying zo of spending one
hundred and ten thousand dollars on fifteen bikes for kay
of order tenants?

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
Look, I saw it, and it's one of those classic
ones when you looked at you thought this is just nuts.
The funny thing is I can sort of where I
lived the building Cryinger order settlements, settlement, so building projects
and things sothough one of them has just been ditched.
I said it's too expense. So it's an empty lot,
and there's a big issue over when they build them.

(01:02:33):
They'll build forty apartments and they're fourteen car packs. Oh yeah,
you know, and all the neighbors are going, well, yeah,
so where the rest of the cars going over the street.
So I can sort of understand why they think, Okay,
let's try and give them something different and sort of
you know, cycling. It's all sort of gung ho and
this is the way to go, and e bikes and
everything like that. But again it's the delivery, so it

(01:02:54):
just didn't quite work out the way it shouldn't. You know,
some people never got a look and they've got vandalized.
So I think it was built with good intentions, you know,
but sometimes those good intentions.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
You see Claire's face right now, Clear put your face
into words, because you are not loving this.

Speaker 16 (01:03:11):
Well, you know the intention.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
It was a pilot.

Speaker 16 (01:03:13):
It was to roll it art elsewhere it worked, So
what was that going to cost? And you know it
was going to be very expensive. And then as somebody
who's just had the very bike stolen, I can assure
you they're pretty hot property.

Speaker 11 (01:03:27):
And I am.

Speaker 16 (01:03:30):
I am extremely impressed. I'm not one of your neighbors,
thank goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
How much did you spend on your e bike? By
the way, well I was.

Speaker 16 (01:03:37):
An earlier doctor. No, actually I went for the bottom
of the range.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
And I can't tell you now because I'm so forgotten.

Speaker 16 (01:03:45):
I've forgotten. I need to get I need to get
it up. I should be running the free world.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Right guys, Thank you very much, really appreciated its Mirke
Sainsbury Men's Health Week director and broadcaster and Clear Delord journalist.
It's coming up seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Speaker on the iHeart app and in your car on
your drive home. Heather duplic allan drive with one New
Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News talk as the B.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Five away from six. Listen, I'll get you across what's
going on with Sinlay really quickly before we talk to
them after six o'clock. They managed to get the vote
across today at two o'clock right, and this is the
vote that basically saves the company because the shareholders have
agreed that they can take one hundred and thirty million
dollar loan from Bright Dairy, which is the Chinese company.
It's got a thirty nine percent stake. That means that
Sinlay will be able to pay their bankers on Monday.

(01:04:33):
It means they're not going to go into liquidation. Seems
to be that what tip the balance today was A
two because A two declared this morning. A two is
one of their bigger shareholders with about twenty percent. A
two declared this morning it would vote for the deal.
Sounds like A two waited till the last minute because
it was still negotiating with Sinlay because it has concerns

(01:04:53):
that the loan deal now leads to a capital raise
and the implications of the capital rays for a two.
So we're gonna have a chat to the chair of
Sinlay to six o'clock. He's going to be thus shortly,
Nancy Pelosi. So, as Claire was just mentioning before, it's
not just the George Clooney editorial, and if you haven't
got yourself across this, I will read you some of
it in the next half hour. It's not just that
that's done damage to Joe Biden today. It's all so

(01:05:15):
Nancy Pelosi. She is by far and away the most
senior Democrat to sort of cut Joe Biden loose. She
didn't say it out right, but she basically said, just
give him a break, let him deal with NATO first.

Speaker 17 (01:05:27):
I want him to do whatever he decides to do,
and that's the way it is. Whatever he decides we
go with. I think it's really important and I would
hope everyone would join in. She'd let him deal with
this NATO conference. This is a very big job.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
And then she said if he can't handle NATO, then
we're going to talk about it again.

Speaker 17 (01:05:45):
And I've said everyone, let's just hold off whatever you're thinking.
Either tell somebody privately, but you don't have to put
that out on the table until we see how we
go this week.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
So what she means by this week is the NATO
and the NATO ends. The NATO summit ends tomorrow, so
it's basically tomorrow is the last free day. By the
looks of things, Friday is the last free day Biden
has of kind of being able to breathe and just
do the things. And the pressure appears that it's going
to be coming on this weekend. So pretty much any
day from Saturday Sunday onwards is the day that Joe

(01:06:22):
Biden is probably going to have to announce that he's out.
Because he's out. I mean he's out now right that
he has not done enough to be able to rescue himself. Heather,
good on you for trying with the inter Islander guy
as a clown music time. Why I almost press the
clown music button. I've got some I've got some options
for you. We'll run through some options later, we'll change

(01:06:43):
the change the clown music. We'll see what we've got.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Cause you've been track of where the money is flowing.
With the business hour, with hither duplicy Allen and my
Hr on News Talks at me Evening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Coming up in the next hour, Sam Dickie's going to
talk us through mass the card and how it's been
influenced by a potential looming economic slowdown in the US.
Liam Dan on the good news of the food price
inflation front. I'll run you through that also, Ruenda duncleman
Enda Brady. Before this hour is out seven past six now.
Dairy company Sinlay's shareholders have approved the one hundred and
thirty million dollar loan to keep the business afloat. This

(01:07:21):
means they avoid liquidation. The load has been provided by
Chinese firm Bright Dairy, which owns thirty nine percent of Sinlay.
Sinley's second biggest shareholder, A two Milk, broke its silence
this morning and announced at the very last minute that
it would vote in favor of the loan. George Adams
George Adams is Sinlay's chair. Hey George, hell about it?
You relieved?

Speaker 14 (01:07:40):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
I am absolutely How close was the vote?

Speaker 14 (01:07:44):
It wasn't toasted all. Actually we had the ninety nine
point six percent of our shaholders vuilding in favor.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
So why would say that's a landslide.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Yeah, that is a lot more convincing than it was
suggested that it was going to be right because there
were a lot of minor shareholders who were complaining about
this in the days leading.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Up to it.

Speaker 14 (01:08:00):
Funny enough, I say that might have been the kiss.
But yet when it come down to it, I would
call that overwhelming support from our actually from our broad
shareholder base, which was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Why did a TOO leave it to the eleventh hour
to announce their decision to vote in favor?

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Oh? Look, I really don't know. I really don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:08:17):
They have obviously got their own board, their own shareholders
to consider, so I think that's really a matter for them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Hell do you think it has nothing to do with
the fact that it's been in discussions with Sinlay to
the last minute.

Speaker 14 (01:08:30):
I don't think so. But again, as I said, that
will be a question for them.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
They have some concerns around the equity raise, don't they.

Speaker 14 (01:08:39):
They haven't read those directly, but if they do, we'll
certainly try and make sure that we deliberate with those
and arrive at a mutually satisfactory outcome.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Because a TOO has said publicly the discussions relate to
Sinlay's broader recapitalization plan, which includes the sharehold alone as
well as Sinlay's proposed equity raising. So they sound like
they're worried about it possibly possible. What are they worried about,
No idea, No, you not think that The answer is
that they're worried about the dilution of their shareholding.

Speaker 14 (01:09:09):
I would say that could be one of those things.
But ultimately, we've got to we've got to deliver a
significant equity areas to rescue this business, and so we
will be making sure that whatever we do is refer
to all shareholders.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, okay, is it possible that they can retain their
stake in that equity share in that capital raise.

Speaker 14 (01:09:29):
Of course, of course it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
It's not going to simply favor Bright Dairy.

Speaker 14 (01:09:35):
Look, ultimately, we haven't decided anything at this stage as
far as the equerias is concerned. But I would be
extraordinarily on ways to try and do an equerias of
this skill without involving our largest shareholders.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Yeah, what about the minor shareholders, Because this is the
thing that was being raised in the last few days,
is that share some shareholders reckon they would have actually
come out of a liquidation better than they would add
of this which includes a capital raise, because of how
much it's going to water down their equity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Look, that's I haven't heard that view basically.

Speaker 14 (01:10:07):
But look, I imagine that when we do equal is
in the next month or so, we have to go
through an independent report, an independent valuation to make sure
the job that we're doing for our shareholders makes sense
and delivers them value.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
So we will ensure that we are doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
They're in a tough position, aren't they, George, Because if
they want to be able to hold onto their stake
the same steak, they have to check a whole lot
of money in and I've already lost a lot, haven't
they on this business?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Yeah? Look, it depends.

Speaker 14 (01:10:37):
I guess when you came in, he bought your shares
about ten minutes ago. You just admit fifty percent. So
I mean, but ultimately, I'm very mindful that we've got
a group of minority shareholders who represent about forty percent
of or register that we have to say the businesses
has not performed for so I'm acute to you.

Speaker 10 (01:10:55):
Aware of them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
So how are we going to get this business performing?

Speaker 14 (01:10:58):
Oh, that's the thing that I talked about today in
terms of really a getting it deliveraged, be getting it
performing again and so making sure that all of the
assets that we have, including our North Island assets, all
performed for the shareholders. So we've got a very clear
plan to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
How confident are you can do it one hundred percent?

Speaker 7 (01:11:20):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
I like that, Thank you very much, George appreciated as
George Adams, the sim Lay Chair. The big inflation news
today is that the annual food prices have fallen for
the first time in six years. It's not massive, zero
point three percent, but listen, it's been going up for
five years. So the fact that it's come back for
one year is something I'm going to talk to Liam
dan about that shortly. Hither, I wouldn't give much credence

(01:11:43):
to what Nancy Pelosi says. She's also an eighty four
year old fossil full of full of silicone and botox,
and if you listen to her, I think she's one
sandwich short of a picnic. That's from Trevor. Listen. The
problem with Joe Biden is not his age, right, what
is he eighty one? I know heaps of eighty one
year old eighty five year old. Like frankly, I know,
I think a ninety three year old who is perfectly

(01:12:04):
capable up upstairs. It's not the age. It's the Parkinson's
or the whatever is going on there. It's something that
it's a thing that can happen to younger people, can
happen to older people. He's got a thing, right, it's
not his age, and I feel like, I feel like
I don't want to get into ages. And I really
think that's unfair. Considering yourself. Admonished, Trevor, listen, just on

(01:12:28):
my little thing that I've got with the Reserve Bank.
I've got more for you on the Reserve Bank.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I find this extraordinary. Was pointed out today by Michael
Riddell on his blog site Croaking Cassandra that the Reserve
Bank's chief economist, Paul Conway is currently on leave. I
find that extraordinary because presumably here's the guy, as as
Michael Riddell says, here is the guy who was presumably

(01:12:53):
primarily responsible for sets of forecasts and economic analysis that
goes into the decision making by the Reserve Bank. Decision
making by the way, when it reflects that as it
pertains to the official cash rate, which is so important
to what happens in our lives.

Speaker 14 (01:13:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
They have got to get that call right. They have
got to nail it because businesses will go under if
they don't. People will lose their houses if they don't.
The economy will be tipped into recession if they don't.
I think all of these things are happening because they're
making the mistakes anyway. Now they only do this seven
times a year. Is it not possible that Paul could
have scheduled his annual leave another time, not one of

(01:13:33):
these times, when they seven times a year have to
do this. Could he not have done his annual leave
afterwards or like after the last one or something. But
it seems to me extraordinary. If you only actually have
to do something seven times a year, like the big thing,
the big big thing that you do, you only have
to do it seven times a year, then surely you're
going to be there for the seven times a year.
It's not like we're asking you to be there fifty

(01:13:53):
two times. Is not like we're asking you to be
there three hundred and sixty five times, just seven times.
Take your annual holiday some other time. That to me,
I think that's alarming. That's alarming to me about their
attitude towards how serious those decisions are, and certainly how
serious I feel they are. They obviously don't she He's
on leave six fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic
Allen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Edb Rowena Duncan is going to be with us very
shortly in for Jamie McKay obviously right now. It's coming
up seventeen past six now, and newal food prices have dropped,
as I was telling you, for the first time in
six years, which is fantastic, and the degree decrease was
driven by lower prices for tomatoes, cheese and potatoes. Liam
dan is The Herald's Business editor at large and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
With us now Alim good A.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Heather, how big is this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
In terms of the factoring that the decision making for
the Reserve Bank, this particular set of data.

Speaker 10 (01:14:48):
Well, it's a subset, I guess, so it's not as
big as what we get next Wednesday. So what we
got today now, I think we're all learning about you.
You know, people know the difference now non tradable and tradable.
You've got your your domestic inflation and your stuff that
comes in from imported prices and so on, and so
the Reserve Bank's worried about the non tradable stuff. There's
a lot of tradable stuff in here, so we knew

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it was coming off. We knew, you know, after the
cyclones of last year, that fruit and veg was going
to look a lot better. Cheese prices are looking pretty
good in the supermarket right now, which you know, ironically
is not great for the economy because you'll probably hear
a bit later that's not good for the farmers. But
so you know, we're seeing that stuff. Petrol was down

(01:15:31):
across the year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
That's good.

Speaker 10 (01:15:33):
But what the Reserve Bank really needs to see is
the service sect, the rates, the insurance, all that non
tradable stuff, and we get most of that next week
in the full CPI inflation data. So that's when we'd
you know, possibly get some numbers that might justify the

(01:15:53):
kind of sort of optimistic turn we've seen in the
last twenty four hours or so.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
So the reason it's come back from largely is fruit
and veggies down sixteen percent, but then on the other side,
olive oil has it a massive price surge. One leader
is up nearly fifty percent to twenty bucks. Has your
family switched away? Have you guys gone rape seed oil yet?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Good?

Speaker 19 (01:16:13):
Good?

Speaker 10 (01:16:14):
Good point. I've been talking about that. The team go
with them, Yeah, the missus go with it.

Speaker 19 (01:16:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
Well no, actually I did the cooking, so but the
team at work, you know, go with the cheaper oil,
put a splash of extra virgin, and then you've you've
kind of got yourself a cheap olive oil substitute. Well,
I don't know if it's a fact. I just made
it up, but it seems to work. I mean, you know, olive,
the extra virgin's got all the flavor, and it's priced,
it's slightly more expensive, but you use a tiny bit

(01:16:40):
of that with some cheaper, cheaper oils. But you know,
that's crazy. That's down to you know, that's down to
what's what's happened in Spain and Italy and it's it's
one of those shocks, and it's an interesting shot because
it's one of those things that reminds us that we
need to get our own domestic inflation down because we
have no control over the stuff that goes on around
the world. You know, we could see petrol prices spike again.

(01:17:02):
Something bad could or probably will happen in the world
in the next year or so. So you know, we
can't rely on just you know, global prices going our way.
We've kind of got to get it under control in
New Zealand and yeah, hopefully we're nearly there.

Speaker 7 (01:17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Now, I know what you're going to say, Liam, You're
going to say, hither you always talk smack about Adrian
or but Liam, this flip flop is crediblity damaging, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:17:27):
Well, yeah, I thought about this. I mean, look, I
was a little confused like everyone about the September you know,
that September forecast, and I guess it was trying to
talk tough to you know, to get put the fear
of God, I get into everyone in the economy and
it kind of worked, and maybe it works too well.
But look, it's all a bit of a strategic game,

(01:17:50):
all the talking and speculating and what the markets do.
In the end, you've got to look at the results.
And so, okay, there's a fair bit of criticism for
inflation going too high. That's that's one thing. But if
you can get inflation back in its box by the
end of the year, that's that's a result. So yeah,
you know why what they played it really tough and

(01:18:12):
then they've softened it. No one they were going to
it's the problem, no no, no one, No one believed
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Going so they didn't have credibility. So basically you agree
with me they didn't have credibility.

Speaker 10 (01:18:21):
Well, I think it's part of the game. I don't
know if it's I don't know if that you know,
like again, what what counts is the inflation. If you're
going to argue the credibility line, I would say the
most important.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Thing is the inflation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, so it is a fair argument that.

Speaker 10 (01:18:35):
Is around what happened over the last year and a half.
I mean, you can talk about the global context and
all that sort of stuff, but it was well outside
the box.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
But can they get it back down, that will be
there will be I mean, I think that will be
a victory if they can get it back down this
year and they can keep unemployment under five something like that,
five point three you know, yep, But that's that's me.
You're going to have an opinion That's that's why it's.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Allowed on opinion and I appreciate that your opinion is
a positive opinion.

Speaker 7 (01:19:03):
Liam.

Speaker 14 (01:19:03):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
Liam Dan, the Herald's Business editor at large. Listen one
News is reporting that remember that independent advisory group that
was set up by Nikola Willison, those guys when they
canceled the i rex project and they canceled with the
fairies and stuff, and they set up this group and
they were like, what do we do now? What fairies
do we buy? Apparently that advisory group has recommended to
ministers that Kiwi Rail no longer run the kick straight fairies.

(01:19:24):
Listen to me, this government is going to break kei
We Rail up. They are going to take kei We
Rail and let them run the rail, and they are
going to set up a separate entity to run the fairies.
You heard it here first and this is not speculation.
I have been told this six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
Your Rural report on the Heather duper see Alan Drive
with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Beef and lamb heather re Adrian Or I'm not sure
that those who are going broken the economy are enjoying
the game. The problem is that these people are paid
hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and thus so
far off out of touch with the grief on the
ground that exactly that was exactly my point an hour ago.
I don't think that. I find it hard to respect
somebody playing a game with the economy, and what you

(01:20:09):
want is somebody serious, rational and calm. Six twenty five
are Awena Duncan of the countries with us right now?
Hey roight, hey have so the grand finals knocked off
for the Young Farmers of the Year And what are
you picking?

Speaker 20 (01:20:20):
Yeah, honestly, I don't know which of the seven regional
finalists are coming into this as a hot favorite. I've
picked it before in previous years. This year I'm not
prepared to put my name behind any of their names.
But honestly, a great bunch of finalists. But yet got
Underwear and Claudlin's today. The seven main finalists in the
FMG Young Farmer of the Year, they had there the

(01:20:43):
paper day, you know, when they go through all the
technical kind of side of things. They'll have their practical
day tomorrow. But we had some of the other contestants
from Young Farmers clubs around the country. They got underway today.
They were doing things like claybird shooting. It just seemed
like a bunch of fun there. We've also got kids
in the Agritines underway as well, and then it all

(01:21:04):
culminates on Saturday evening from six o'clock, so they're going
head to head with the All Blacks Heather in terms
of entertainment that evening. You can follow along on the
live stream, which I'll be doing from home as well.
But it's just great that it's come around again. We've
had a wonderful twelve months with Emma Pool as the
first female winner of the Young Farmer Contest in over
fifty years. I think we're in the fifty sixty year

(01:21:26):
this year of the contest, and she's done a magnificent
job representing farming over the past twelve months. She'll be
sad to hand over the cloak of knowledge on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Yeah, I bet. Hey, how's it going with that chap
who's rowing across the cookstraight?

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:21:40):
Isn't he amazing? Seventy six year old Jamie Strang managed
to make it across cook Strait made it across there
in a quicker time than a lot of people thought.
He has now raised nearly three and a half grand
for Farmstrong. And I have checked Heather, because I know
Jamie McKay, host of the Country, said he'd give Jamie
Strong one hundred dollars as he made it across. I've

(01:22:02):
checked on the give a Little page. His name is
there with one hundred dollars together, so we can actually,
like not try and head him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Up about that.

Speaker 20 (01:22:09):
But what a great achievement though it's seventy six to
be able to row across cook straight. I'm just in
awe of him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah, totally, and he managed to do it without autopilot
and just randomly turning right. Good on you, Rowena Duncan
of the Country. Right, Joe Biden, here go. This is
part of his op ed.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
I love Joe Biden. Oh, this is George Clerney. Sorry,
George Biden's Joe Biden's probably not writing op eds anymore,
like at all. I love Joe Biden as a senator,
as a Vice president, and as a president. I consider
him a friend and I believe in him, believe in
his character, believe in his morals. In the last four years,
he's won many of the battles he's faced, but the
one battle he cannot win as the fight against time.

(01:22:47):
None of us can. It's devastating to say it, but
the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at
the fundraiser was not the Joe big effing deal Biden
of twenty ten. He wasn't even the Joe Biden of
twenty twenty. He was the same man we all witness
at the debate. As Democrats, we collectively hold our breath
or turn down the volume whenever we see the president
who we respect, walk off Air Force one or walk

(01:23:08):
back to a mic to answer an unscripted question. We
are not going to win a November with this president.
On top of that, we won't win the House, and
we're going to lose the Senate. This isn't only my opinion.
This is the opinion of every Senator and Congressmen, member
and governor that I've spoken with in private. Every single
one is, respective of what he or she is saying publicly,

(01:23:28):
that is devastating. Sam Dicky Official funds is with us next.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
That's the mess. If it's to do with money, it
matters to you. The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for SME News Talk said.

Speaker 11 (01:23:48):
Bank this myself.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Every week. If you can't tell, they said, two, you
are amazing.

Speaker 17 (01:24:04):
Health.

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Well, we have the big us.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
For the English fans at the moment, it doesn't really
matter what happens the rugby on Saturday. I think they
are pretty stoked about what's just happened in the football
and end of Brady will absolutely be one of those
people who'll be with us in ten minutes and talk
us through it. Listen, we're not imagining that we have
got too much red tape in this country. The oe
CD also thinks this. They've just put out their Product
Market Regulation Study today, which they put out every single year,

(01:24:34):
and this year we are ranked twentieth in the OECD
for regulations that help businesses compete. Now, I'm gonna put
this in context. Right, that's not horrific. We are still
i think one place above the OECD average, so you
know we're still in the top half, but we are
only just in the top half. But where this isn't
good is that we are ranked. So what we're measuring

(01:24:55):
is do your regulations help businesses?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Are they actually helping hindering businesses? And at the moment
we're still just slightly more into the helping than hindering.
But this is where it's not good. We're ranked twentieth
this year and we were ranked second in nineteen ninety eight.
So in the space of just about twenty five years
we've managed to slip right down from the top, right
down to the middle of the pack. Now, the OECD

(01:25:19):
has got some suggestions for where we can improve things.
They reckon New Zealand could further reduce barriers to foreign
direct investment. Obtaining licenses and permits can be cumbersome for
both new and established businesses. New Zealand's licensing regime is
more burdensome than the average OECD economy. There is room
to streamline it. Reducing regulatory barriers in the energy and

(01:25:39):
ecommunication sectors could further enhance competition. There is still room,
they say, to ease constraints on lawyers and accountants, and
this is why we need David Seymore's red tape cutting.
The more tape that he cuts, the further we go
up that list. And it would be good to be
right at the top again, wouldn't it twenty two away
from seven?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Ever, due for clan MasterCard.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Is a great example of what investors are focused on
globally right now. What they're focused on is the slowdown
in US economic growth expectations, regulatory risk and how that
impacts companies, and new technology like open banking and neo
banks and so on. Now MasterCard, the reason it's a
great example is because it's influenced by all of those things.
And to talk us through it, we've got Sam Dickey
of Fisher Funds with us. Hey Sam, So Sam, let's

(01:26:23):
start by talking about these themes. Okay, slow down in
US growth expectations, what's going on here?

Speaker 18 (01:26:28):
Yeah, you and I talked about that last week. So
there has been a slow down US economic growth expectations,
still slowly growing, but just slowing slightly. And missus care
because economic growth drives corporate earning growth and that drive
stock prices.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
And then what about the regulatory risk? What are investors
thinking about this?

Speaker 18 (01:26:49):
Well, that that is super interesting because ideally, of course,
you don't want to own companies that run the risk
that the regulator might come knocking. But it turns out
that if you aim to invest in some of the
high quality companies in the world, they tend to attract
the attention they're regulator because they're just so large and important.
So think of companies like Google and Microsoft. They dominate
their industries, have been fabulous investments over time, and almost

(01:27:11):
as night follows day attract the unwanted attention.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Of the regulator.

Speaker 18 (01:27:16):
Open banking, Yeah, think about open banking. It's just another
I mean, innovation is running at the fastest pace ever,
which brings competition and disruption, and open banking is no
different an opportunity and as you know, it allows competitors
of or too traditional banks with customer approval to easily
access customer data and offer new services to those customers.

(01:27:40):
So I think about that as I've been up the
competition to banks and maybe some disintermediation of banks, and
investors obviously pay attention to that because banks are a
big part of global stock market.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
And so how does master Card get affected by all
of these things?

Speaker 18 (01:27:57):
Yeah, well, I think you're dead right to start. The
best way to bring a live teams that are bests
have focused on around the world and through the lend
of a single company, and MasterCard is one of a
handful of global payments network companies. In fact, with the
second largest in the Worldline visa, it doesn't ass your
credit cards that controls of the very valuable networks and
routes the flow of money between so you and I,

(01:28:18):
the coffee shop down the road, and banks, and it
is getting buffeted by all three of those things. So
when you think about it slowing economy and how that
impacts master cards. If we spend one hundred dollars with
our our MasterCard this month, master card clips the ticket
to the tune of about twenty cents. Now, if we
parton our pelts and only spend ninety bucks next month,
master card on he clips eighteen cents. So it's the

(01:28:38):
sort of a direct impact to the top line and
then gottomline you think about the regulator, master card is
kind of in the round of those companies I talked about,
so Microsoft and Google. It is so critical to global
money flowers as it does attract the attention of the
regulator via fines and legal cases of the centa. And

(01:28:58):
when you think about disruption opportunity that comes from say
open banking and neo banks, it might face more competition
from s neobanks, from virtual credit cards, for example, but
they can in that be a beneficiary because these neobanks
don't have their own you know, these networks or old
money routes to control the fly of money. So in
fact the neo banks will end up up using master

(01:29:19):
cards valuable networks.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
So what does this all mean for investors in SAM.

Speaker 18 (01:29:26):
I think most when you think about the economy, the
first one, most high quality companies globia are temporarily impacted
by backmacro backdrop. But the trick is to invest in
companies with really long growth runways, almost in respect of
the economic backdrop. So if you take master Card, for example,
it is directly impacted by the economy as we see
it as people tighten their belts, But on a longer

(01:29:46):
term view, there's still a very long runway to go,
believe it or not, of switching cash and check payments
to cards around the world. So take Europe, which we
thought was fairly developed, it still has forty percent of
payments taking against Southern Europe done by cash and and
when you think about regulatory risk, it really just does
go with a territory that most high quality companies on

(01:30:06):
Earth are tractical are the regulator we do typically need
these companies that are on the market. You can get
overly concerned about regulation, and as the competition it is
coming thicker and faster than you ever given. Innovations running faster.
So make sure any company you invest in has a
really wide economic motor of business and has a service
or product that customers can't do without.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Oh that's really good advice, Sam, Thank you so much,
as always that Sam Dickey of Fisher.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Funds ever do for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Remember those two astronauts who I was telling you about
a little while ago hitch to ride with Boeing up
to the International Space Station. They're still stuck there. They
are still like how much worse could Boeing's life get?
They are still stuck in space. This is Butch Wilmore
and Sonny Williams. They went up in that Boeing star

(01:30:55):
Liner capsule. Oh mate, if you can't do planes, why
are you getting into spacecraft. But anyway, the idea was
to stay on the station for just a few days,
where then that I was supposed to come back, And
that was in early June, and now we're in July
and they're still on the station and they are still
not expected to come back for a couple more weeks.
Because if you remember what had happened was that the
capsule had a rough time on the way up. There

(01:31:15):
were helium leagues, and five of the thrusters failed during
the approach, and so on. They have managed to fix
the thrusters and four of them are back in working order,
and now everyone's trying to work out what actually went
wrong and whether it is now safe for Sunny and
Butcher to jump back on the capsule and fly home,
because it's obviously one thing to fix the thing, but
it's quite another to make sure that they are going

(01:31:35):
to make it home safely. What's remarkable about the pair,
and this shouldn't surprise you. Like astronauts, you would have
to if you were an astronaut, you would have to
have real mental resilience, right, because that is a terrifying, claustrophobic,
lonely experience. They are in great spirits if practice are lie.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
So I have a feeling, I have a real good
feeling in my heart that this spacecraft will will bring
us home.

Speaker 7 (01:32:00):
Problem.

Speaker 13 (01:32:00):
Human spaceflight is not easy in any regime, and there
have been multiple issues with every spacecraft that's ever been designed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
So it's absolutely fine anyway. So all of us going like,
oh my gosh, that's stuck for the rest of their lives.
Are retired astronaut says No, they're not totally stranded.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
There's nothing to indicate that there's any problem to bring
them home.

Speaker 18 (01:32:18):
They're actually certified to come back if there was an emergency,
So if there's an emergency today, they could jump in
the capsule, shut the hatch and come back to Earth.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
You just hope and pray that they have. But I
don't even know if they take this kind of stuff
up there, But lots and lots and lots of span
nickers Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither dupice
Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on US talks, it'b.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
And Brady are UK correspondence with US. Now, Inda, hello, Had,
They're great to speak to you into. How much are
you fizzling over that football?

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Well?

Speaker 19 (01:32:53):
Look, I have an English wife and two children here
who flipped away between supporting the Irish rugby team and
the English soccer team. So I was trapped last night. Really,
you know, I was sitting here kind of cheering anytime
the Dutch got a corner or a kicker.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
You can't be living in the country and behaving like this.

Speaker 19 (01:33:11):
Oh look, I support the Ireland team. And look the
Irish people listening to this who will agree with me completely,
and there will be English people who say, oh, you're
a disgrace. Look, it's part of the wishy banter of
living in the Irish Isles, as I call them. Look,
let's see how they do a good luck to England.
I mean I've actually coached three of those boys when
there were kids about to speak on radio on TV.

(01:33:33):
So I'm very proud of them. And it's amazing to
see youngsters go from sixteen seventeen years of age to
now playing international soccer on the world stage. It's going
to be very difficult. I mean, Spain are just a
classic part. And to have a boy. If you haven't
seen this yet, there's a boy and he is a
boy playing for Spain. He's currently sixteen. He turned seventeen

(01:33:55):
before the weekend, so he will play in the final.
La mein Yamal. I think he's the next big thing.
You know, we're waiting to see who the next Ronald
though Messi is Leamina Mal. He will play in the
final for Spain. And he will have just gone seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
Geez, he does look really young. I just quickly googled
him right, he is a boy. Good on him, man,
what a future? Now, Inda, have they found the guy
who did the crossbow Atey.

Speaker 19 (01:34:17):
An arrest has been made. They took the unusual step
here the Metropolitan Police of issuing a name and a
picture of the suspect, Kyle Clifford, as he's now twenty
six years of age. Now it turns out he was
previously in a relationship with one of the victims. He
is arrested. He was found in the cemetery in North

(01:34:38):
London yesterday. Police obviously got a tip off he was
found injured. Now armed police moved in. No shots were
fired and a twenty six year old man was removed
from that graveyard and taken the hospital because of his injuries.
So at some point today he would be spoken to
by detectives. But the country is in shock and the
community of Bushy, which is a small community her place

(01:35:00):
outside Watford, north of London, people are devastated. A crossbow
was the weapon that was used in the triple murder.
The victims are Carol Hunt, who was sixty one and
two daughters who are twenty eight and twenty five, and
they are the family of John Hunt, the BBC horse
racing commentator. People are just absolutely stunned. And I should

(01:35:22):
say John, it's just such a popular figure in broadcasting
and in horse racing here in the UK.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
Everyone thinking of him devastating is that his entire family?

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Inda, we believe so?

Speaker 9 (01:35:32):
Oh right?

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
How tough is that? That's really rough? What about the
SYR hostess?

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
So, she apparently attempted suicide in Dubai and was then
what detained for it.

Speaker 19 (01:35:43):
She was the victim of a domestic beating. She was
battered senseless allegedly in her own home and when she
went looking for hospital treatment, instead of getting hospital treatment,
she walk up in a police station. This has caused
outrage in Ireland and the sequence of events. Tory Towie
is the girl's name. She's twenty six. She's an air

(01:36:04):
hostess with Emirates living in Dubai. She did attempt suicide.
They smelled alcohol on her breath and she was immediately
arrested attempting suicide as a criminal offense in Dubai. Believe
it or not, we learned that this week she was
thrown in a prison cell and her Irish passport was
taken off her and confiscated. It's destroyed by the way,

(01:36:26):
they've actually destroyed the passport. Now what has happened is
the family got in touch with politicians in Ireland. Mary
lou MacDonald of Shinfein, who a lot of people think
could be our next prime minister or Tea Shock. She
raised the case in the Irish Parliament, the Doll in
Dublin and immediately the Tea Shock Simon Harris, he's our
prime minister. He got in touch with the authorities in

(01:36:47):
the UAE and now she's being given a new passport.
The charges have been dropped and they're trying to get
her a flight out of Dubai. But it has put
Dubai on the front pages in Ireland. This is a
place that a lot of people are of Irish people
go to party and you know, drink and have a laugh.
There is a very sinister underbelly to that place. Absolutely
in this case is just what a disgrace. Young woman

(01:37:09):
allegedly beaten in her own home, tries to kill herself
and they arrest her.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Yeah, that's that is quite concerning. Inda, I really appreciate
you talking us through that stuff. Indo Brady, UK correspondent
eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
Yeah, the separating Kiwirellan into Rlander is a great idea,
but I'd be concerned if it was ever sold off.
That's a fair point from Ben. Actually, the taxpayer union
guys at Curia guys have done a pole of a
thousand people, and I'm telling you a thousand people, so
you know he's got some credibility there. It's not just
like five of us. A thousand people have given their views.
Forty three percent support selling the KiwiRail owned ferry service

(01:38:06):
to a private company privatizing it, forty three percent plays,
thirty eight percent opposed to a sale, in nineteen percent unsure.
So there's a little bit of support for it, but
not probably enough to be totally confident about. Now, how
good is this Okay, listen to this for how to
handle a dispute with a business. Okay. A woman in
Lower Hut bought a brand new LDVT sixty ut from

(01:38:28):
a Hut Valley dealer late at the very start of
last years. It was a twenty two that she'd bought,
and she bought it at the start of twenty three.
After she said it after she bought it, she said
the car started giving her trouble. She had difficulty moving
from two wheel drive to four wheel drive. She claims
the four wheel drive often doesn't work on cold mornings,
and she says it makes a banging sound while it's
in four wheel drive. So she took a group of

(01:38:49):
dealers and distributors to the Motor Vehicle Disputes Tribunal over
these problems, and she lost her appeal because they said
while the noise, you know, wasn't great, she couldn't prove
it was the result of any fault. So, having reached
the end of that particular strategy, she tried a new one.
She printed a whole bunch of sign writing signs and
stuck it on her car as revenge. And they say

(01:39:09):
buyer beware. LDV equals zero reliability I'm not a four
x four. I identify as a lemon. And some of
the stuff that she added also took a crack directly
at the dealership that she brought it from. I love this.
Don't internalize your anger, externalize it with some signwriting how
good is that?

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
How good is that?

Speaker 7 (01:39:30):
End?

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:39:31):
Yeah, should have just given her a free car, I think,
and made the whole thing go away.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Right, because now we're talking about whether ldvs suck or not.

Speaker 21 (01:39:37):
Make miss that you ever see a supermarket they just
you're taking your crappy grapes and they're like, here are
two whole bunches of free grapes, Please go away. I
feel like, you know, even when you scale up to
a car, that's probably still the strategy that is correct.
Mister Bright's side by the Killers to play us out tonight.
For the Killers were playing at the O two Arena,
probably really unfortunate timing around the same time as England

(01:39:57):
were playing Netherlands and the Euros, but they actually leaned
into it and during the concert they put the game
up on the big screen right for the end when
England won, and then sprayed red and White can fit
into the crowd and launched into mister Brightside, which is
pretty good way to get around the schedule conflict. I
can't tell whether they did this live or whether they
were like playing slightly later and so had time to

(01:40:19):
I edited all together and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
But that is a cool thing to do though, so
that everybody who was there, like, you're never going to
forget that night.

Speaker 21 (01:40:25):
I unless you had the game taped at home and
you were really hoping to go home and watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Oh and you didn't want to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Know what the Yeah, then spoiler true actually and spug
of them. What a great way to do it. Thank
you so much, See you tomorrow. News Talks it be.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
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