Full Show Podcast: 16 July 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newswakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Jack dame on, hither dup to c Allen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected newstalk, said.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
B Oh the drama the theater. At the Republican National Convention,
Donald Trump walks in JD Vance by his side, a
bandage on his ear, standing ovation. Of course, what else
would you expect. We're going to take your live to
the US after five o'clock, receeding for the very latest

(00:34):
on Donald Trump and his appearance at the Republican National Convention,
his VP pick as well. Very shortly, the Minister of
Transporters with us. Why do we need warning signs for
speed cameras? And before five? Excuse me? Why is Richie
Monger training with the New South Wales Blues and State
of Origin right now? It is eight minutes past four.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Team.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
It is so much about the state of US polotic
that someone who once described Donald Trump as America's Hitler,
those are his exact words, America's Hitler can be selected
as Trump's vice presidential candidate. From one perspective, JD Vance
is a great choice. He's young, he's dynamic, he's smart,

(01:19):
he is an excellent media performer. He didn't let shin
splints stop him from serving in the US military. And
the thing that I think Democrats still haven't learned is
that it doesn't matter what jd Vance once said about
Donald Trump. It doesn't matter that he slagged him off

(01:39):
in splashy magazine articles. It doesn't matter that he described
him as reprehensible and his policies is absurd. None of
that matters. None of it matters. All that matters is
that he went to mar A Lago, he kissed the ring,
and he has never faulted since. There are so many
examples of people who stood against Donald Trump or spoke

(02:02):
against Donald Trump, who thought he was losing his grip
on power at a certain point in time, and who
have conveniently recalibrated their position once they realized that actually
Donald Trump was here to stay. Half of the Republicans
in Congress thought that January sixth was an attack on democracy,
but have curiously tapered their criticisms since. When it comes

(02:25):
to the last election, jd Vance has proved himself to
be completely loyal to Donald Trump. Publicly, he claimed the
election was rigged, that it was stolen. He happily went
on TV to fight for Trump's position, and perhaps more
than most other candidates whom Donald Trump was considering, J
d Vance clearly knows the rust Belt, He knows the Midwest,

(02:50):
He knows the working class people, the communities that have
been left in a permanent state of decline over the
last three decades, poor, ravaged by the open crisis, and
quite understandably angry. The only meaningful criticism, if we can
even call it that, of jd Vance is that perhaps

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he doesn't grow the base, but I don't think that matters.
He doesn't bring new voters to the Trump ticket. But again,
this campaign will be decided by energy, by turnout, and
jd Vance knows the likes of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania,
and ultimately those are the states that will decide the presidency.

(03:31):
Team two ninety two is our text number if you
want to get in touch. Jacket Newsbooks, headb dot co dotting.
What a day for Donald Trump. So we had that
the unauthorized documents case thrown out of court. He returned
to the RNC with the kind of welcome that you
would expect. Really, it's pretty epic. So how has Joe
Biden responded, we'll tell you about that before five. Right
now it's ten past four. Warning signs for fixed speed

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cameras will be rolled out across the country. The government
hopes this move will allow key we the opportunity to
check their speeds in high crash areas to avoid tickets
and accidents. The role that's going to take place as
m ZTA takes over speed camera responsibility from police. The
speed signs are already going up and are expected to
be fully implemented by June of next year. Samin Brown

(04:15):
is the Transport Minister and is with us this afternoon.
Kielder Minister, Good afternoon, je, So talk us through what's
happening in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Well, today we unveiled the first of mzta's speed camera signs.
This is about ensuring that motorists have good signage head
of speed cameras to ensure that they are able to
be warned are just their speed if necessary. Ultimately, speed
cameras are about improving safety on our roads rather than
simply just revenue raising, which is a fear that many

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motorers have.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah talk us through the alternative, because there will be
a lot of people who say isn't the whole point
of speed cameras to catch out people when the speeding.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well, ultimately they're about improving safety on our roads and
so if you do break the law. Ultimately, speed cameras
are there in order to make people who are speeding
to pay a fine. But at the same time they're
also about improving safety and if people don't have an
opportunity to check their speed are just if necessary, then
ultimately people do see them as simply just being about

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revenue raising, which is certainly not what they're intended to be.
So this government will be rolling out this signage across
all fixed camera sites across the country over the next
twelve months.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
There's been two so far.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Second one in Wellington today we progressively rolled out so
all fixed camera sites have signage to warn motorists ahead
of them approaching these cameras.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, important to point out that this is the fixed
speed cameras right as opposed to mobile speed cameras.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
That correctly, So the reality is, you know, ultimately, if
if motorists an't breaking in the law, there could be
mobile cameras and other places. This is about fixed cameras,
which are meant to be in high risk spots where
there is a risk to others, and ultimately it's important
that motorists keep to the speed limit.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yes, So just to imagine here that I'm in Mosk,
what is to stop me from speeding until I get
right up to the area where you've got a sign
saying there's a speed camera going slowly through that area,
and then immediately speeding up again afterwards.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, ultimately, you know, reality is that the law is
the air and we all motorists must follow the law.
But at the same time, speed cameras are there to
ensure that in high risk locations motorists are following the law.
And so that's why this signage is important and encourage
motorists to check their speed. It's about ensuring they've got

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an opportunity to slow down so they're not just simply
penged win going past, and it's about giving that warning ahead.
But at the same time, the mobile cameras which the
police which we transfer everytht en ZTA as well, they
will continue to operate across our roading network at the
same time.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I suppose that that's the other theory with this though, right,
that motorists will simply drive quickly and then when they
get to a speed camera or they'll slow down and
then they'll speed up again afterwards. And I suppose if
there wasn't a sign and they got pinged for that,
then that might mean they slow down everywhere a bit
more in the future. Can you understand that?

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Well, ultimately that's ultimately mobile cameras can operate anywhere at
any time, and motorists are required to keep to the
speed limit. You know, the government's got a separate piece
of work underway around making sure that we don't just
simply have blankets speed limits to slow everyone down and
make them crawl through our cities. But where there are

(07:26):
where what the law requires, motorists are required to keep
to the speed limit, and these signs are about providing
fure warning. But at the same time, mobile cameras will
continue to operate anywhere at any time, and motors are required.

Speaker 6 (07:39):
To keep to the law.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And these fixed speed cameras they're going to be operated
by n ZTA rather than by police.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
So the under the last government approved transferring speed cameras
away from police to n ZTA, that work is now underway.
They will now be operating it. They've got a new
tech back office that's are setting up to enable it,
and there's also new average speed camera checks that are
also being installed in different parts of the country. It's about,

(08:08):
rather than a spot check, checking your speed over a
period of time. You see that in other countries such
as Australia, So rather than just being what your particular
speed might be at that particular location, it'll be actually
looking at your average speed over a particular length of
a road as well. So that's about a different way
of ensuring people are keeping to the speed limit, rather

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than just paying them for what speed limit they were
got speed they were going at a particular.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Did they have that in the Waterview tunnel at the moment?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
No, they don't.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Okay, no, I thought. I've had a friend who got
a couple of nasty surprises in the mail while driving
my car, I might add going through the Waterview tunnels.
So it's always good to go to the expert on
this front. Have you ever had a speeding ticket, Minister, No,
I haven't. I'm not surprised by that. Thank you very
much for your time. That is Transport Minister Simeon Brown.
You'll be pleased to know that. I did go back

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to my friend. It was one of the slightly socially
awkward things because they were they're like a friend, but
they're not like a really close friend. And I went
back to them and said, hey, I've got four hundred
dollars in speeding tickets from a time that you were
borrowing my car and I wasn't actually in town. Do
you think maybe you could you could pay them? And
they said, yes, I tell you you're a good friend.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
If they're not even a close friend and they were
able to use your car, well, this is what I thought,
because I mean they to be honest, they were a
bit hard up at the time. But then I thought,
I'll do the generous thing. I'll let them borrow my
car next minute. Thanks for your feedback, Jack. Why the
hell would you put up warning signs? This is really
dumb speed and you get caught at simple ces Lynn.
Will the signs actually tell you the speed and the limits.

(09:38):
I'm just so unsure as to how they work now. Basically,
the signs are going to say speed camera area. That's
what they're going to say, or something along those lines.
They're not like those ones that have your speed, although
personally I find that those are quite effective, Like if
you're doing fifty five and it flashes and says slow down,
and you go down to forty nine, then it is
quite effective for making you slow down. Ninety two ninety
two is the text number if you want to get

(09:58):
in touch. Seventeen past four on You Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
It's Heather duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand
one give Leap.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
For Business US Talks, he'd be nineteen past four. You
were Jack tame in for Heather on News Talks, he'd
be this afteren and really sad news today. Norm hewittt
for all All black well now as being a I
think the first ever champion of Dancing with the Stars,
big public campaigner for public health messages, passing away at
the age of fifty five after suffering mode and neuron disease.

(10:28):
Aleix Smith is on Sports Talk tonight and is with
us now this is a real shock to me.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Yeah, really, we're really sad when that news began filtering
through this morning. And a wonderful player on the park
and remembered for so many different things. I guess throughout
his career that remember that confrontation he had with Richard
cockran England in Manchester and that's one of those things
he's probably best from Trafford eight it was. Yeah, that
was a remarkable moment and one that still gets talked about.

(10:54):
What twenty five years later, played with the broken arm
for a period in the NPC final one year Wellington
and then had his well publicized battle with alcoholism, then
turned his life around and used that as a force
for good, wrote a very very compelling book. I remember
reading That's around It and it, became an advocate for

(11:14):
the Alcohol and Drug Help Line, and then had this
twist to you know, do Dancing with the Stars, and
you think about what twenty years ago, Yeah, a rugby player,
much of a rugby player like Wim you were going
to do that, not only doing it, but winning it, crushing, rushing, absolutely,
kill Blay absolutely, you know, a remarkable character and so
multifaceted and you're really really sad news to hear that past.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I think I think about how he used his public
profile to talk about alcohol harm in the way that
I think was really brave for that time as well.
You really brave, and you know, he'd had that all
the bad headlines and stuff and he turned that around.
I just I thought he was a really remarkable individual
for doing that at a time when that sort of
response wasn't necessarily guaranteed. Toyo Harris, it was the remainder

(11:57):
of the season.

Speaker 7 (11:58):
Not good news for the worrying is injury that he's
been battling all season long, and they've tried to sort
of keep him going on. He's come off the bench
a couple of times, and he's had a we break
from things, but they've decided now that that's him done
for the season, so they needs to have it properly,
sort it out and won't be back till next year.
Not what the team needs. They're currently in that battle
for the top eight and down on eleventh at the moment,

(12:21):
chasing a playoffs. What they've got the Raiders this week,
which looms is a bit of a four point game
to win that maybe they're back in the reckoning they
lose it, you'd probably say it's going to be really
hard to reel some of those teams back in. But
the kind of leader that is very talismanic for the Warriors.
You lose him. Shaw Johnson's already not there, a couple
of other experienced players, you know, the season that had
promised so much at the start of the season, given

(12:43):
what they did last year within a win of the final.
It's all sort of crumbling at the moment for the Warriors.
And look, hopefully they can do it without him, but yeah,
big loss for them.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I want a number before you go of the starting
fifteen from last weekend. How many do you think it'll
be starting in Sadie this week?

Speaker 7 (12:59):
Let's a six I've plucked out of nowhere. Let's see
how right I am on Thursday when it's name. But
expect me a few changes for the for the All Blacks.
Chatting with Leo McDonald early of Patrick tweep a lot
too has stayed at home because he's not even mentally
back by now and he's gone and played three Titanic
games for the Blues and the All Blacks. So they're
going to reach a few players, get some new ones
in there and better change for Fiji.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Very good thanks to that is Alie Smith. He's on
Sports Talk this evening from seven o'clock twenty three past
four on News Talk's ZB.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Jack tam cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Jack tam on Heather duple to see Ellen drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk b.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
See Rogers onto the money, Jack. Speed camera area warning
signs are actually a great tool for the police, not
because they make people slow down necessarily, but it's simple.
Police just set up a mobile camera just past the
fixed camera and then catch all the smart asses who
speed up as soon as they pass the fixed site.
Easy money. Very very cunning there, Roger. That's a good

(14:00):
point regarding jd Vance, Donald Trump's vice presidential pick, he
is the most excellent choice, says Pauline. I'm right with him, Jack.
Interesting to see jdie Vance flipping his position, same as
Meghan Kelly and Jack. Who would want a running partner
who has previously condemned you in public? Nothing says and
nothing about American politics has credibility, let alone integrity. It's

(14:23):
all about personal gain and personal power. Sorry, Anne, Is
that different to politics here, there, anywhere? No, You're right though,
I mean it's remarkable. I mean it is crazy when
you think about it, that someone can be caught on
camera describing a politician as America's Hitler. It's pretty hard
to think of a worse criticism than that, not only

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that he published a very splashy article in the Atlantic
that's been read by millions and millions of people and
go from that position to completely reverse it a one
hundred and eighty degree switch and be named as the
vice presidential candidate. So take you to Milwaukee in Wisconsin,
one of those critical swing states that it's likely to

(15:06):
decide November's election, and get the very latest from the
first day of the Republican National Convention, Donald Trump appearing
before thousands of supporters, abandoned on his ear jd Vance's
vice presidential pick at his side. That is just coming
up to four thirty though, I'm Jack Tame, this is Newstalk, zedb.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Hard questions strong opinion Jack Dame on, Heather duplicusy Alan Drive,
who is one New Zealand Let's get connected news talk
zed bne.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
So in the last thirty five minutes or so, David
Seymour has released a public letter that he's addressed to
Paula Bennett and her role as chair of FARMAC. It's
quite a dense letter, takes a bit of reading, but
here's the bit you might be most interested in, certainly
the bit that a lot of people are going to
be asking David Seymour about Treaty of White Hongy. I
note that in the previous letter of expectations, FARMAC has

(16:07):
provided a specific expectation to consider how it contributes to
quote embedding to three T or White Hungey across the
health sector. I do not believe this is an appropriate
expectation to place on Farmac. FARMAC should be serving all
New Zealanders based on actual need, without assigning their background
as a proxy of need. So David team was going
to be with us after five o'clock. We will ask

(16:29):
him about that very soon. Right now, it is twenty
four minutes to five.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
They'd be drive And Day one of the Republican National
Convention in Milwaukee has wrapped up. Former US President Donald
Trump was in the building and arrived to a raucous
maga crowd. Other Republican lawmakers have been soapboxing too. Here
is Michigan Representative John James.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
Joe Biden and Democrats think they know how to spend
your money better than you do. They want to take
your dollars. They want to take your voice. They want
to take your control and give it back to DC
bureaucrats to execute derrel Wolke and green new dial agenda. Well,
that plan doesn't work, because hope is.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Not a plan. More members of the public have come
forward saying they tried to warn police about Thomas Matthew
Crooks before he shot at Donald Trump. Over the weekend.
Videos have been posted online that show people trying to
raise the alarm as much as two minutes before the
attack happened. The local sheriff says a police officer was
checking out the rooftop Crooks was on moments before he fired.

Speaker 9 (17:32):
The officer had both hands up on the roof to
get up onto the roof, never made it because the
shooter had turned towards the officer, and rightfully and smartfully
the officer let go.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And finally, a local man has broken the world record
for the fastest crossing of Ireland by unicycle. He wrote
his unicycle all the way from the Republic of Ireland's
southernmost point to its northernmost point and five days, five hours,
twenty three minutes. He says he is now looking forward
to recovering from the swollen ankle that he picked up

(18:06):
towards the end of the trip.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
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for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
And Murray Old is with us from Australia this afternoon.

Speaker 10 (18:17):
Get I Murray, Hi Jack, it afterninge to you.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And the latest poll has the opposition gaining on the government.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
Oh big time.

Speaker 11 (18:25):
This is pretty big figures for the Opposition that Peter
Dutton the key takeaways.

Speaker 10 (18:31):
This has come out of a Resolve poll.

Speaker 11 (18:33):
Fifty five percent of the Australian population says the national
outlook is going to worsen. That's not a good stat
for Labor, which is trying to portray itself as the
party that's going to deliver you tax cuts in the
better standard of living while driving down prices. The coalition's
primary vote jack up from thirty six to thirty eight percent.

Speaker 10 (18:53):
Labour stuck on twenty eight percent.

Speaker 11 (18:56):
That's the lowest level since Albanezi became Prime minister last election.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
And this is frankly astonishing.

Speaker 11 (19:02):
Peter Dutton is now in front of Anthony Albanesi at
preferred Prime minister. The margin skinny thirty five to thirty four,
but twelve months ago Elbow was in front of Dutton
forty six points to twenty five. So labor on the
nose big time, and people are clearly liking what Peter
Dutton's out there is proving.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, that's the interesting is because Peter Dunton is a divisive character, right,
people absolutely love him or really don't like him.

Speaker 11 (19:29):
Oh, absolutely right, But he seemed to be playing a
pretty mean hand of cards the primary vote over here,
because it's a silly voting system.

Speaker 10 (19:38):
It's all you know, with preferences and so on. But
the bottom line is it's fifty to fifty. Now, was Anthony.

Speaker 11 (19:45):
Albanesi going to call an early election, Well, this isn't
going to help confirm that in his own mind, households
are suffering from rising prices, higher interest rates. Fifty three
percent of voters have said the cost of living the
single most important issue that will determine their votes whenever
the election's.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Herel Speaking of the Prime Minister, Elbow and Victoria Premier
to Cintra Ellen were both warned about the CFU in
twenty twenty two. That's the criminal infiltrated union.

Speaker 10 (20:17):
That's right, that's the construction.

Speaker 11 (20:19):
Look, look it's full the title Construction, Forestry, Mining and
Energy Union. So it's a huge union with lots of tentacles.
But the rotten apple and the barrel, we are told,
is the construction portion of that, and not justin Victoria
where they've had problems for years and years and years.

(20:40):
Channel nine over here with sixty minutes to sixty minutes
television show and Fairfax Media have done a really good
expose on this union.

Speaker 10 (20:49):
And the results are frankly pretty shocking.

Speaker 11 (20:52):
The allegations include that, you know, underworld criminals have got
special deals on on tendering for building contracts, big building contracts,
government contracts. Vicky leaders have got armchair, cushy armchair jobs
on building sites, you know, sweeping brooms and yelling at

(21:13):
people whatever the hell they're.

Speaker 10 (21:14):
Doing there, all of this under the nose of labor,
state and federal.

Speaker 11 (21:18):
Now, the allegation, as you said rightly point out back
in twenty twenty two, just cent to Allen as the premier.

Speaker 10 (21:24):
Now, she wasn't back then.

Speaker 11 (21:25):
She was actually i think from memory was she industrial
relations minister back in twenty twenty two, and she was
sent a very detailed set of allegations that said the
construction Union was basically running crooked construction sites right across
the state. When nothing was done, the allegation was bumped
up to the federal government, which was out of the

(21:46):
al but easy and still nothing done. And if you
think it's confined to Victoria, Channel nine, the reporter involved
in all of this says, you're cracking jokes just as
bad and Sydney and New South.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Wales Murray Gas Game three, State of r tomorrow night.
How did Richie Morena of all people end up training
with the New South Wales Blues.

Speaker 10 (22:06):
Well, he's finished up in Japan for the season.

Speaker 11 (22:09):
He won that with what the name? What's the name
of his club up there? I forget now, but anyway
to Sheba, I think it is. Look, I may be
wrong there, but Mwanga won the competition for his Japanese club,
so he's a free agent. The club said, what about
some personal development? What about shooting down to Brisbane and
having a look at the New South Wales setup because

(22:33):
he's a because up there at his club is and
i'ld yea to Sheba.

Speaker 10 (22:38):
That's my notes here. The director of his Japanese team.

Speaker 11 (22:44):
Is a good mate of Michael McGuire, who is the
coach of New South Wales. He said, look, just go
down and see the way that that a top level
rugby league team sets up for a big game.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
Well he's done more than that. He's pulled the boots on.

Speaker 11 (22:56):
He's taken part in an opposing session at four up
against New South Wales. He had like a decent level
club side he was playing with and he's.

Speaker 10 (23:05):
Just been stooging around having a look.

Speaker 11 (23:08):
Interesting too, he said, Look, my whole family, every one
of my family is a Queensland fan except me.

Speaker 10 (23:14):
I love New South Wales.

Speaker 11 (23:15):
So that's a big bone of contention amongst the family.

Speaker 10 (23:18):
He also pointed out I never heard this.

Speaker 11 (23:20):
His dad forbade him all those years ago from playing
rugby league. His big brothers played in christ Church, but
they had bigger plans for Richie because he was a
very good rugby union player, had a scholarship. The rest
is history, of course, multiple All Black and let's hope
he can come back and play with the All Blacks
next year.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, indeed, hey, thanks for your time. I was really
appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia correspondent there, thank you for
your feedback as well. Here's the tickets to come through.
Regarding speed cameras. So in Cashumbista interview with Transport Minister
Simeon Brown, basically they're introducing speed cameras right across the
upper part of the North Ender, looking to spread them
around the country. That all have fixed speed camera warning signs.

(23:58):
So you're driving along the street, there's a warning sign
that says hang on, there's a speed camera here.

Speaker 10 (24:02):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Speed cameras are for saving lives as opposed to making money,
says Dennis, Hence signs warning cameras. Ultimately that has to
be the priority with all of these things. Yes, they
raise a bit of money as well, but ultimately the
purpose of these things is to get people to drive slow.
If you want to send us a text, ninety two
ninety two is our text number. I find. I find
this situation with the shooter on the roof. I mean,

(24:25):
it's obviously absurd for the Donald Trumpets attempted assassination, but
what a ridiculous explanation from the local sheriff saying that
yes they had got calls from witnesses who said there
was a man with a gun on the roof. Looking
towards the former president as he was speaking. He says
that one of his officers was climbing up on the roof,
but that the gunman turned around and said the officer

(24:45):
very quickly got back down off the roof. Isn't the
whole purpose of law enforcement to try and stop that gunman?
I would have thought that's a perfect opportunity for you know,
law enforcement to try and engage him so that he's
not shooting at a former present. Isn't that the whole purpose?
It recalls that awful shooting and Aurora someone like that right. Well,

(25:06):
no in Texas, whether police officers didn't want to go
inside the school when there was a shooting because they
were concerned about their own safety. I mean, yeah, sadly,
isn't that Isn't that part of the job. Can't imagine
there are going to be many people not expecting some
big answers sometimes soon. Right now, it's quarter to five
on news Doorks.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
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Speaker 3 (25:27):
He'd be political to Jason Walls is or with us
this evening, Hey, Jason, good evening, Jack, So what did
you make of the full Darlene Tana sit down interview.
You know, it was.

Speaker 12 (25:38):
Enlightening in how much we didn't learn, and I know
that sounds counterintuitive, but it was a bit of an
exercise in reading between the lines. The big question is,
of course, what happens next, and that was asked, but
I don't think it was really answered sufficiently. At present,
she's an independent MP as she's resigned from the Greens,
or more accurately, she was made to resign from the Greens,

(25:59):
but she's still remains a member of Parliament. So obviously
the question is will she resign from parliament? And her
answer was that she's taking advice from Ewe and Hapu.
She says a lot of people have reached out to
her asking her to continue to do the machi that
she's doing.

Speaker 10 (26:14):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Just what the mahi is remains.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
A little unclear because she's been an MP for all
of nine months and spent about half of that on leaves.
So essentially she says she's going to be making a
decision soon. So my read on all of this it
sounds like she's not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
She keeps coming.

Speaker 12 (26:30):
Back to the values that she brings to the table.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
In terms of being an MP.

Speaker 12 (26:34):
She talks about how she was the only MP that
could weave Tiamari science and politics together. And you don't
say these sorts of things unless you're digging in for
the long haul, which very much sounds like she is now.
When asked about the time frame, she said that the
ball was in the Green Party's court, So it sounds
like we're actually in line for a bit of show

(26:55):
a bit of a showdown here. The Greens were extremely
against the Waker Jumping Bill, you'll remember, and that legislation
allows parties to expel members of Parliament if they leave
the party that they came into parliament with. The Green
say it's anti democratic and fought tooth and nail against
it to be introduced and voted into Parliament a few
years ago. And now they're faced with somewhat of a

(27:17):
Sophie's choice, trigger the Waker Jumping legislation. Expel Darling Tana
but make themselves extreme hypocrites, or stick to their values
and have Darling Tana sitting in Parliament for the better
part of two and a half years, depriving them of
having their own new Green MP coming into Parliament. So
obviously it's a tough choice for the Greens there. But

(27:38):
at the end of the day, let's not lose sight
of the fact that it is one quote MP with
no constituents, no mandate at all, holding everybody else hostage
taxpayer's expense. So she should make the right call herself
and walk away from all of this. But it sounds,
as I've said, like she's not going to do that now.
In terms of the Green Party's response, it was a

(27:59):
very very Green Party response. Ricardo Menendez March said, the
planet is burning and wealth in quality is growing and
we have to fight for it all and Dary needs
to remind herself that no one is bigger than the
party and therefore the best thing for the collective movement
would be for her to move on. So they've drawn
a bit of a line in.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
The sand here. Jason David Seymour has made his expectations
clear to farm X so what he seid It's an
interesting one, this one.

Speaker 12 (28:27):
He's basically made public his letters of expectation. Now, this
happens all the time. A few weeks ago, Nikola Willis
sent about fifty of them off and you just eventually
find them buried on the Treasury website. Essentially, you send
as a minister what your expectations are to the ministries
that you're in charge of. Today, Associate Health Minister David
Seymour called a press conference to do it for FARMAC.

(28:50):
So it's clear that he wanted to put the spotlight
on what he was announcing today because he did it
so publicly. So in the letter and the subsequent press conference,
David Seymour said that he's made it clear the need
for FARMAC to focus on delivering improved health outcomes underpinned
by robust data in evidence.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
But here's the kicker. One change that I've outlined.

Speaker 12 (29:10):
Is that I do not believe it is appropriate to
require FARMAC to continue to consider how it can contribute
to embedding the Treaty of Wypugi across the health sector,
which was the expectations in the previous government's letters of expectations.
He went on to say that farmac's roles should focus
on serving all New Zealanders based on actual need, without
assigning their background as a proxy of need. And so

(29:33):
obviously there's going to be a lot of pushback on
this one. There's going to be a lot of discussions.
I'll be interested to hear what those that are against
this have to say. Against this argument, because it's the
bedrock of Farmac, it probably should be the fact that
everybody gets the same access based on need of their
access to the medicine rather than anything else. So there's
a lot about partnership and various different objectives in the

(29:56):
letter of expectation that he's made clear that he's made
available now. But of course the big news is the
treaty of White Tommy stuff. Paula Bennett, who is the
new head honcho over there at FARMAC, it was seemed
very very receptive to all of this and stood up
and after see Moore in the press conference and said
that we will be listening differently and really commended Seymour.

(30:17):
So it'd be interesting to see where this one ends up.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
He's going to be with us after five, so we
can ask him too. Thank you so much, Jason. That
is newsborks. He'd be political editor Jason Walls putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
Breakfast running the country at the moment is David Seymour,
who was what this How incompetent is kiwi rail to
say this is the final number grant and then go WAPs.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
It's billions of dollars more.

Speaker 14 (30:38):
I mean, when it comes to running a train service,
I don't think that bad.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
But that's the thing.

Speaker 10 (30:42):
It's Kiwi Rail.

Speaker 14 (30:43):
Once they tried to get into the port building business,
turned out they were pretty incoonfident. If you wanted on
a one to ten, I'd probably give you about an eleven.

Speaker 10 (30:50):
Are you enjoying this?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
By the way, the running the country thing, well.

Speaker 14 (30:52):
I'm a libertarian, so one of the worst things that
could happen to me is I could actually become in
the government. I just want to point out I don't
actually think I'm running the country. Five point three million
New Zealand running the country. Well, so we're running the government.
Up to everyone else to get on and make the
most of their lives in this beautiful country.

Speaker 13 (31:06):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
Jaguar Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Newb You were Jack Tamen for Heather to pic Allen.
Thanks for your text, Jack, good evening. Regarding the police
officer in the Trump attempt at assassination, The thing I
don't understand is why the police didn't immediately get on
their radios and shout shooter on the roof, shooter on
the roof, so that Trump got off stage. I mean,
this is maybe the biggest question out of the whole thing.

(31:31):
If indeed witnesses had drawn police and Secret Service attention
to the man on the roof with a gun, why
on earth was Donald Trump allowed to continue speaking? Just
so you know, in the last couple of minutes, our
CNN has started reporting that there were actually law enforcement
snipers inside the building that the shooter was shooting from.

(31:53):
So he was on the roof, but inside the building
with snipers. That's what CNN is reporting. Jd Vance. He's
been aimed as Donald Trump's vice presidential pick. Very interesting choice.
He was, of course, the author of the best selling
book He'll Billy Elogy. I've read that book. It's a
great book. And he was once a vociferous critic of
the president, now a big supporter of the president. We'll

(32:14):
show you a couple of clips. This is him talking
about Donald Trump. He says that Donald Trump is one
of the healthiest people he knows.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
John, I got to say, Donald Trump is as healthy
as anybody I've ever met.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I tell him all the time. He's got ridiculous genes.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
I plan to be a very good vice president for
Donald Trump four years.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Joe Biden says he's not surprised by j. D. Vance's
peck going to surround himself.

Speaker 8 (32:36):
The people agree with completely with him, avoting records.

Speaker 10 (32:40):
They support him. Even though if you go back and
listen to J. D Man said about Trump, he said
something about you.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, he says.

Speaker 10 (32:49):
Something that I mean. But see what he said about Trump?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
What's with you? Guys?

Speaker 10 (32:53):
Come on, man, that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Is Joe Biden speaking today. We'll take you to the
US after five o'clock for the latest from the republic
National Convention. It's almost five though, you were Jack tame
This is News Dog ZEDB.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
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Speaker 10 (33:19):
Talk zed B.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Donald Trump has been officially nominated as the Republican presidential
candidate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today. Trump has also enlisted Ohio
Senator JD. Vance as his vice presidential pick. And it
didn't stop there for Trump with Judge Eileen Cannon, also
dismissing his Marra a Lago classified documents case. Today, Lauren

(33:41):
Tomazi is Channel nine's US correspondent and is with us now.
Good evening, Good evening to you, Jack. So what has
the reaction been to Donald Trump's appearance at the RNC.

Speaker 15 (33:52):
Look, It has been quite remarkable. The eruption of cheers
that you had from the Republican Party faithful here in
Milwaukee was really quite insane. It was been hours that
people were waiting here hoping to see Donald Trump, forty
eight hours on from that assassination attempt, and the former
president walked out with a bandage on his ear, slowly

(34:13):
stepping into the Republican National Convention arena, and there were
just thousands of people here cheering him on.

Speaker 16 (34:19):
He didn't say anything.

Speaker 15 (34:20):
He just put his fist in the air show of
defiance after that assassination attempt.

Speaker 16 (34:26):
It was truly quite remarkable to see.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
So talk to us a little bit about JD. Vance
because in the past he has been openly critical of
Donald Trump. He called him famously America's hitler. So how
has this one hundred and eighty degree flip flop happened?

Speaker 16 (34:41):
It's truly quite remarkable. JD.

Speaker 15 (34:43):
Vance was a really intense critic of Donald Trump and
really kind of switched gears when he went for a
run for the Senate in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 16 (34:52):
JD.

Speaker 15 (34:52):
Vans has only been in the Senate for a couple
of years now, but he changed his narrative and began
getting on board. I guess with that MAGA movement. You
started hearing him talk about the MAGA policies and Donald
Trump about the stolen election, which of course we know
was not the case, and Donald Trump embraced him, he
endorsed him for the Senate, and now here we are

(35:13):
two years on, JD. Vance on the Republican Party ticket
as the vice presidential nominee. Now, for those people at
home who were like, who is this guy?

Speaker 16 (35:23):
You may have actually read his book.

Speaker 15 (35:25):
He wrote a bestseller, Hill Billy Elogy, and that was
adapted into a Netflix series which was really quite popular.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, it's just what an amazing life for a guy
who's not even yet forty to now find himself as
potentially the favorite to be the next vice president of
the United States. Have we heard anything in terms of
polling over the last couple of days following the extraordinary
events in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 15 (35:48):
Look, this is going to be so interesting to see.
We haven't had a poll come out yet since that
attempted assassination, but the polls within the last week again
show Donald Trump taking a bit of a lead over
Joe Biden. That's kind of been the nature of these polls.
We're seeing a bit of a growing divide, Donald Trump
gaining more and more momentum. I expect that you'll see

(36:09):
much of the same when we get the next round
of polls. In the wake of that attempted assassination, and
also today, Donald Trump had a huge court win. He
had his classified documents case tossed out by a judge
in Florida.

Speaker 16 (36:21):
There has been a lot going on for the former president.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's remarkable. How has he reacted to that.

Speaker 15 (36:28):
He took to True Social this morning to post he's
certainly very pleased with that. It was a bit of
a long shot appeal that his legal team had put in,
never thinking that it would.

Speaker 16 (36:38):
Come to fruition.

Speaker 15 (36:38):
But then, of course we had the Supreme Court ruling
on immunity for Donald Trump, and one of the justices,
Clarence Thomas, very much caved the way wrote in the
arguments there the case for the judge in Florida, Aileen Cannon,
to make this ruling.

Speaker 16 (36:55):
And so that is what has happened.

Speaker 15 (36:56):
The case has been tossed down and it now places
in jeopardy the other case, which is Jack Smith prosecuting
the January sixth election interference case.

Speaker 16 (37:05):
So very well, you could see.

Speaker 15 (37:07):
Quite a number of these court cases of Donald Trump's
topple over.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
These big political conventions are full of drama, but they
like to drip feed it, right, So we see Trump
and jd vance today. Then we have a series of
speeches in the coming days. When are we actually likely
to hear Donald Trump's presentation.

Speaker 15 (37:25):
Thursday is the big day for Donald Trump. And as
I stand here in the Republican National Convention right now,
I can see balloons are all in netting above the ceiling,
and that's.

Speaker 16 (37:35):
The day you'll have that really big speech.

Speaker 15 (37:37):
Now, Donald Trump has said that he said he had
a humdinger of a speech as it was, but he's
actually changed it all around in the wake of that shooting,
an attemptive assassination on the weekend. So it'll be interesting
to see what the former president has to say, because
he's moving forward with this bit of a show of unity,
so it will certainly what we have to hear from him.

(37:58):
How long this goes for, it's going to be interesting
to watch.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Thanks for your time, Lauren, We appreciate it. That is
Lauren Tamazi, who is Channel nine's US correspondent Jack twelve
past five on News Tools. He'd be the government's released
and open leader to farmak around expectations for improved medicine access.
The guidelines include funding, prioritization improved health outcomes with evidence
and hard data, alongside halting considerations of titidity or white Honguey.

(38:24):
In its decision making, Associate Minister of Health David Seymour
is with this evening, good evening. Hey Jack, Hey, what
in your letter or of expectation would you say marks
the single biggest difference from farmac's current operations.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
It's the idea that FARMAC should be looking not just
at how to make the most out of a fixed budget,
but how it can make better budget. Bits to the
Minister of Finance and say hey, if we funded more medicines,
we could maybe save you some hospital admissions and some
operations and keep people working and unless people dependent on

(39:03):
a sickness benefit, because I think often there's an opportunity
for a win win where if we funded more medicine,
we wouldn't actually need to spend money on other things.
A classic example of that is since the government did
fund try cafter for assistic fibrosis, there have been almost
no lung transplants in New Zealand. Now I don't actually
know how much the lung transplant costs, but I would

(39:24):
guess that's one of the most extensive things the healthcare
system does, not to mention one of the most brutal
surgeries that you can have.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Is there any evidence that FARMAC made funding decisions that
prioritized MAUI over other people.

Speaker 17 (39:39):
No, there's not.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
But then again, their operations are a bit of a
black box, and rightfully so, because they're supposed to be
answering from politicians and confidential.

Speaker 18 (39:49):
What is important is that.

Speaker 5 (39:51):
If embedding the Treaty and Everything means treat every person
the same according to their medical need, then they're all
could in. That's carb if it means to treat different
New Zealanders differently based on whether or not they had
an ancestor who was Mari, then we want nothing to
do with it. Either way, there is no need for
FARMAC to continue with the previous government's directive of betting

(40:14):
the treaty and everything it does.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
You say that it's your expectation. FARMAC listens and engages
with patient groups, and those groups are often at the
heart of really emotional public campaigns to have certain drugs
or medicines funded. Isn't the whole purpose of FARMAC to
take emotion out of the equation.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
It's to some extent that is true. However, it's also
the case that sometimes what people want is important. Sometimes
they can give feedback on how a particular treatment or
device works that FARMAC might not have considered. For example,
there's recently been a major exercise to fund continuous glucose

(40:57):
monitors and insulin pumps, recommended a change to the partems,
and a whole lot of patients were consulted and said, actually,
for technical reasons to do with my particular body, that's
going to be a big problem for me. Now. I
think it is important to factor and information that sometimes
only patients have.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Thanks your Tom, we appreciate it. Associate Health Minister David
Seymour give us your thoughts ninety two. Ninety two is
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Speaker 3 (42:29):
Really really sad news today, all black violence prevention advocate
Dancing with the Stars champion Norm Hewitt has died. He
was aged just fifty five and had been diagnosed with
motor neuron disease. Laurie Mains was the first to pick
Norm Hewitt as an All Black and is with us
this evening. Hi Laurie, Hi Jack. Yeah, I'm really sorry

(42:51):
on behalf of all of our listeners for your loss.
How will Norm be remembered by you?

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Oh, He's one of the special all successes that rugby
has brought to individual players. When I first took Norman,
he was a bit of American and I had to
speak to him quite sternly before I selected him into

(43:20):
the All Blacks, and he took that on board, came
into the team and immediately showed not only good performance
on the rugby field, and I selected him because of
how well he had played for Hawks Bay, but also
he took a real turn in his personal behavior. And

(43:46):
I attribute a lot of that to the All Black
environment and to the players around him.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Yeah, it's a arkable When I think about him as
a rugby player, he was fearsome and he was to
you know, I can remember that occasion. I think he
played a game with the broken arm. But it was
actually that character stuff outside of rugby, when he took
you know, some troubles in his past and actually used
it as an opportunity to promote some really important messages when
not many people in his position might have chosen to

(44:16):
do so. Don't you think that sort of spoke a
lot about his character?

Speaker 6 (44:21):
Well, it did, and he had he did have a
lot of character, and as I said, I think the
all black environment enabled him to bring that out and
gave him the platform to be able to explore those
activities that he did after rugby. Yeah, and he he

(44:47):
is one of the real successes of what all black
rugby or any rugby team can actually do to individuals
that have been off the track a bit. Yeah, and
that was a turning point in his life. And you know,
we el Kurtin and I, the selectors and coaches at
the time, got a great deal of pleasure out of.

Speaker 18 (45:09):
Seeing Norm.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Fit into the environment become a really solid person. And
he was an outstanding rugby player, make no bones about that.
He was just unlucky that Sean Fitzpatrick, the old Black
captain and you know, one of the best in the world,
just happened to be keeping him out of the planet fifteen.
But yeah, I remember Norm in the early days when

(45:34):
we got him. As I said, he was a bit
of American and before I made a rule with him
that before he goes out anywhere at night after matches
and that sort of thing, he had to come and
tell me who was going to be his minder.

Speaker 11 (45:49):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 19 (45:52):
It either had to be Olove Brown or Frank Bunks.
And they were players that Norm respected, and they had
they had the strength to keep them in line. And
I mean he never put a foot roll.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
Yeah, and no, he was a great individual.

Speaker 10 (46:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Oh, that's some really lovely comments. Thank you so much, Lurie.
We really appreciate your time, Laurie. Maybe. Yeah, probably a
good thing actually that they you know, they chose Frank
Barcarolo Brown to accompany Norm, not me, not Andrew Mertens
in his semi professional era, weighing in at sixty two
kilograms with a wet shirt. Twenty three minutes past five.
You with Jack Tame. This is newstalks hedb.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's Jack Tame on Heather due to see Ellen drive
with one new Zealand.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Let's get connected us talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
What is the point of a speed camera? Is it
to make our roads safer? Or is it to raise
a bit of cash for the state coffers by finding
motorists who are driving too fast? Or or let's be honest,
is it a combination of those two. Over the next
few more than one hundred speed cameras in Northland and
Auckland are being transferred from being the responsibility of police

(47:06):
to that of NZTA instead, and while mobile speed cameras,
So the cops in the back of their cars with
those speed camera guns, those are still going to be operational.
They're not going to come with any warnings. Each of
the permanent speed cameras is going to be accompanied by
a permanent speed camera warning sign. So if you're driving
fast and you are near a speed camera, you're going

(47:29):
to get warned. Now, I get why some people think
it's antithetical. Surely a warning for people about speed cameras
will make them slow down before they get pinged for
driving too fast. Wouldn't it be better to surprise them
with an unwelcome letter in the mail? Oh, bad news,
you owe us a couple hundred bucks nah, I reckon
it's good. I reckon it's good. After all, the most

(47:51):
important thing about a speed camera is ultimately not whether
it makes us money, but whether it makes drivers slow down.
That is the whole point. And the key thing about
permanent speed cameras is if they're in high danger areas. Right,
I see. I would much rather get all vehicles to
slow down in a high danger area and save a

(48:11):
few accidents, then get some vehicles slowing down and make
a few bucks. But of course, there is one way
to improve the system. Put up your permanent speed cameras.
Put up your permanent speed camera warning signs, but then
add a couple of one hundred extra signs for good measure,
not too many, just enough and in just the right

(48:32):
places for it to seem believable. You don't need the cameras,
just put up the signs. After all, it is not
the fines that matter. It's not the cameras that matter.
All that really matters is whether or not drivers slow down.
Jack Team ninety two is the text number if you
want to get in touch. We have had gazillions of
texts that I will do my very best to get

(48:52):
to Jack. In the professional era, Andrew Martin's got his
weight to ninety five kgs?

Speaker 10 (48:56):
Did he?

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Brent? How do you know that? Who would be a
better example? Terry Wright in his in non professional era,
Terry Wright in his lighter days. Maybe I'll get to
build more of your feedback very shortly, including your text
regarding speed cameras. After five point thirty, a christ Church
based Catholic order has had its authority removed and its
priests have been stripped of their religious faculties. We'll give

(49:19):
you the details on that. News is next on newstalk ZEDB, the.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Day's newsweakers talk to Jack First, Jack daime on Hither
Duplicy Allan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected
News Talk BB.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
With Jack daim In for head the Duplicy Alan. Tomorrow
is the big day all eyes on Stats and Z
their quarterly Consumer Price Index data. It's the sort of
thing that we don't usually care about that much, but
at the moment it's absolutely vital when it comes to
the Reserve Bank and whatever decision they're going to make
around the ocr So for the last data, we're at
four percent. That was the annualized data for the CPI

(50:07):
for the quarter to the end of March. The banks
ain z at asb picking three point three, Kiwi Bank
three point four, Westpac three point five. Tell you what,
it'd be nice to see something's done with it. Two.
That would be very nice. Indeed, it might hurry the
Reserve Bank on a little bit. But we are expecting
those numbers tomorrow. We'll talk to Brad Olsen from infor
metrics after six o'clock tonight get his pick on what

(50:28):
that baseline number might be. Right now is twenty three
minutes to six.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Jack Team and the.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Leaders of a controversial Catholic group have been forbidden from
practicing in the christ Church Diocese. The Sons of the
Most Holy Redeemer have been accused of abuse and of
carrying out unauthorized exorcisms. After a Vatican investigation, all members
of the group have been asked to leave the christ
Church Diocese by Bishop Michael Gelin or Gielan rather. Peter

(50:54):
Linham is a religious expert from Massi University and is
with us this evening. High Peter, Yeah, hello, yeah, very well,
thank you. So what actually happens to this group now.

Speaker 20 (51:05):
Well, we will have to wait and see. They've lost
their license to act as Catholic priests, so they can't
conduct the Mass, they can't conduct baptisms or any other
of the seven sacraments of the Catholic Church. That may
not stop them, because this group was once a renegade

(51:25):
group pulled back into the Catholic Church by the previous pope.
I wonder whether they'll go out again into the cold.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Ah right, And one of the group's supporters says they're
going to take legal action against the Church over this.
Can they do that?

Speaker 20 (51:41):
No, of course, they can't take legal action about them.
The pope has complete authority over the priests. The priests
sign a piece of paper submitting to the vows of
obedience to the church. If they choose to disobey, well
they're not part of the church, as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Really, Do we know what the Vatican's investigation actually found.

Speaker 20 (52:01):
Yeah, well no, we had hasn't been released to it,
but they did it. They took it very seriously. They
sent a retired bishop from Australia and he went in
and we understand that he talked widely to both the
people who were reporting abuse and to the people who
were involved in the services. I'm not sure whether the

(52:22):
actual priests talked to them because they seemed to be
inclined to do their own thing, and so it was
probably pretty thorough and Michael Gelan's letter looks as though
he felt he had absolutely no choice and this gave
him complete authority on an order from the Vatican that
they had to be suspended. And it's interesting because it

(52:45):
was from midnight on Sunday night, very precise. Yes, they've
got to stop.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah, that is very precise. Indeed, So just theoretically, then,
is there anything to stop this group from, say, getting
on the phone to the Bishop of Aberdeen, or breaking
away from Catholicism and taking their supporters and followers with them.

Speaker 20 (53:05):
No, Well, the Bishop of Aberdeen. That's interesting because I
would have thought that he would be very quickly informed
that the original branch of this was formed in the
Orkney Islands and then strange place to extend themselves to
to the other end of the world, to christ Church.
But that's what they did. They could retreat there, the

(53:28):
priests were once there. But I would have thought that
the Bishop of Aberdeen would probably say, well, presumably much
the same applies to you. I don't want to have
the risk unless he's a very conservative bishop of course.

Speaker 10 (53:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
What do you think of the Catholic Church's handling of
this whole situation.

Speaker 20 (53:49):
I think initially very poor. I think initially there were
a lot of complaints from over a period of five
years about things were going wrong under the previous bishop,
now Archbishop Paul Martin. Nothing seems to have been done.
They seem to have just made cursor examinations. They didn't

(54:09):
even reply to some of the complainants. Then the new
bishop arrived and pressure was brought to bearby TV three's
reporter Michael Morrow, who did a great job I think.
And then very very quickly Gillan was over in Spain
to attend the World Use Day, dropped in on the

(54:30):
Vatican said I've got a problem, and you know, action
took place. Cathy Church never rushes things, but in Vatican
time this has been fairly prompt.

Speaker 10 (54:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Right. So do you think these allegations need to go
to the police.

Speaker 20 (54:48):
I think some of the allegations have gone to the police.
They are serious. They are all the stuff of the
things that led to the churches being subject to the
Royal Commission on Faith Based Groups. You know, it went
beyond state care at the request of the church. Interestingly,
but I mean for sure, when the report comes out,

(55:10):
probably next week, we are going to hear a significant
list of you know, massive issues that particularly the Catholic Church,
but a lot of other churches too have faced over
these issues. No, and I think some of those complainants
have every right to sue the congregation, which does own property,

(55:32):
and to demand compensation.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, it'd be very interesting to watch that. Thank you
so much. Peter Lynham with us this evening. Right now,
it is eighteen minutes to six.

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Speaker 5 (55:52):
Kordaa get a.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Let's start off with the US and Allie. Donald Trump
has picked JD. Vance as his running mate and confirmed
as Republican candidate the Republican National Convention. Had you heard
of J. D. Varnes before today?

Speaker 21 (56:07):
No, I hadn't, and I didn't really want to know
much about him, but I felt that it would have
been remissive me not to at least done, you know,
I have done a little bit of research. I was frightened.
I was frightened before this news, and now I'm petrified.
This guy is really scary. I mean, he not only
echoes Trump's position on a number of key issues. He's louder,

(56:28):
he's harder, he's more revolting in his positions. Right, so
he doesn't want any supporter helps go to Ukraine and women,
well we all know where Trump sits on women. That
came out wrong. And on the abortion issue, Vance has
said that women should not have abortions even if the
pregnancy as the result of him says or rape. I mean,
this guy is just revolting. And you know, it's interesting

(56:52):
that he has spoken so negatively of Trump in the past.
And I wonder if it's a way to say to people, Hey,
this guy didn't like me, Now he likes me and
I really like him. This could work for you too,
I mean, is that part of the plan.

Speaker 3 (57:04):
It's a very interesting character. So for those who aren't
aware of his background, he was a best selling author
who wrote Hillbilly Allergy. He's had some pretty high profile
corporate gigs over the years. Being a literary man, you
would have read He'll Billy allergy, hadn't you done?

Speaker 18 (57:19):
I do know that it was well reviewed by the
New York Times, so she isn't typically accustomed who reviewing
the books written by Republicans agreeably. Hey look, Ellie, I
respect you. I think you're amazing, but I could not
disagree more with you, particularly as my birth mother conceived
me at fourteen, had me at fifteen, and I have

(57:42):
a very different view on abortion to you.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Now.

Speaker 18 (57:45):
I don't see how the circumstances of my conception were
not my fault. I don't see why I should be
ever blamed for it, and that's just sorry I had
to go there.

Speaker 22 (57:56):
I think JD.

Speaker 18 (57:56):
Vance is a fascinating character. He's had more lives than
almost any of us. I mean, what is a raised
port in Appalachia? He was a marine and Iraq, went
to law school, a venture capitalist, a senator, and yes,
a well reviewed author. We need politicians who had previous lives.
He's had tons go for it.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
My position to is that I think he certainly reinforces
the base.

Speaker 17 (58:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
There's no one who wasn't going to vote for Donald
Trump who now are seeing that he has JD. Vance
as vice presidential Peck is now going to be brought
on to support Donald Trump. But the thing is, he knows,
he knows the Midwest, he knows the Ross Belt, he
knows the kind of people in the kind of communities
that are ultimately going to decide the election, the likes

(58:41):
of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin where this RNC is being held.
So in a way, do you think jd Vance's peck
is just an opportunity to kind of excite the base
rather than expand it.

Speaker 18 (58:54):
Tim, Yeah, I think, yeah, I think I think you're
right there. I think also does add a deepening to
whatever you might call Trump's you know, Trump's platforms, and
one of the things, you know, to his to his
change of heart on Trump, he despised Trump in twenty sixteen.
He called them cultural heroism, heroine, pardon me, cultural.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Heroine America's Hitler.

Speaker 18 (59:18):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. His view was that this populism doesn't
have any policy base. But then he saw what Trump
did policy wise, and he said, I changed my mind.
And I admire people who changed their minds when they've
got the evidence.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Jacob.

Speaker 21 (59:35):
The issue here is, and look, I take Tim's point about,
you know, abortion, and that's going to be a personal
decision and position, and you know, I would never force
that on anyone, but this guy, and both of them
are forcing this on women talking about the abortion issue,
and it's hugely polarizing. But what's frightening I think about

(59:55):
Vrance especially, and I've looked at some video of him,
is that he's charismatic. He's articulate. You don't stick him
in the lunatic box as easily as you do Trump,
and I think that's what makes him really frightening. He
can write, he's well known, he appeals to that ross
belt and I think that and he's young, he's energetic,
you know, And I think that's why I'm finding it

(01:00:17):
really frightening that the sky is going to be there
sort of shadowing and supporting Trump in his lunacy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Tell you what, it's going to be an amazing couple
of days watching the events in Milwaukee. So they tend
to drip feed these things out. So it was day
one today. We'll expect Jadie Vance to make a big
speech in the next couple of days, and then of
course Donald Trump will be doing the same thing, and
you can only imagine what that's going to be like.
He says he's changed his speech from his original plans
in the wake of that attempted assassination. But yeah, pretty

(01:00:45):
remarkable to see his entrance today in Milwaukee. We'll be
back with the Huddle Allie Jones and Tim Wilson in
a couple of minutes. Right now, it's thirteen to six the.

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Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
SAD News Today. Norm Hewitt, for All Black Dancing with
the Stars Champion public health Advocate, has died at the
age of fifty five. Tim. I know you're not a
big Rugby fan, but you must have been a dance
but the Stars fan, won't you.

Speaker 18 (01:01:13):
Oh well, you know I waited for the call. It
never came, unfortunately.

Speaker 23 (01:01:16):
That's okay, and it's said.

Speaker 22 (01:01:18):
And when I heard when I heard the.

Speaker 18 (01:01:20):
Age, I mean fifty five, I'm fifty eight, and that
just it just seems so so very young. But what
I admired about him, and it was great to hear
Laurie Mains throwing that in the mix as well, was
his character in the sense that you know, what is
it He broke into a hotel room after getting on
the Rastaz that wasn't his own, and he sort of
reformed himself and he had a great It was a

(01:01:42):
great mentor to young men who need mentoring, as saying,
your current circumstances don't define your future, and that's a
message people need to hear, particularly young guys.

Speaker 21 (01:01:51):
Yeah, Allie, how do you remember Norm Heartt Yeah, look,
I've got nothing to add to that, because I think
Tim summed it up absolutely beautifully. I didn't follow the
rugby closely. I certainly didn't follow Dancing with the Stars either,
But didn't you know that age.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
It was huge. That was the first season. Oh no,
it was all go. That was it. It was all go.
There was twenty years ago. Twenty years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker 18 (01:02:12):
I'll tell you what, Ellie, Ellie, Jack coloneia the videotapes
he's still got.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
The thing is he was born was well, no, the
thing is the norm because he was a big, burly
rugby player, but he was so kind of dainty and nimble,
you know, and he had a really good sense of balance.
So it was really amazing.

Speaker 21 (01:02:29):
Yeah, and look, I might try and look at it
a little bit later. The point that him made about
him being fifty five. You know, I'm fifty six.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Or fifty seven.

Speaker 21 (01:02:36):
I can never work it out. And it's you know,
it's the same for me too. You go, oh, my
goddad is so young. But condolence as to the family,
I mean moting your own helmful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Yeah, it really is. Ellie. What do you think about
having warning sides for speed cameras.

Speaker 21 (01:02:50):
I think it's brilliant. I do like to have the
opportunity to not get a big fact ticket. I mean
who doesn't, right, So it is not one speed camera
in christ such well there wasn't six months ago, not
a single one, right, So this is very new to us,
and so I'm very happy to be driving along and
see a little sign that goes hi. You might be

(01:03:12):
going a little fast, but you know, slow down because
then you won't get a ticket or you know, I'm
very happy to get a warning. And if people slow
down and there's not actually a speed camera there, then
that's working. I don't have a problem with it, Jack, Tim.

Speaker 18 (01:03:27):
Yeah, look, I liked your comments just before the news.
Which is the issue here is safety. Those signs will
produce that. I mean, look, can we extend this a
little bit? Warning signs without the speed cameras, murd them around,
keep people just a little on the back foot. I
think I'm all for it.

Speaker 10 (01:03:44):
Yeah, good well.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Another sitation we've had on the text is that if
police really need to make a few extra bucks just
to plump up the government coffers or the state coffers
at the moment, maybe they could have the mobile speed
cameras just past the permanent speed camera. So if anyone
does go through lolows down just in time for the
permanent camera, gets through, speeds up again, Bam, they'll be pinged.
So that way you get them both ways. Thank you

(01:04:06):
so much for your time, guys. Alie Jones from red PR,
Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute Our huddle this evening.
It's seven to six.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
As the be So, we were talking to former All
Back coach Laurie Maines, who was recalling Norm Hewitt the
first time he selected Norm Hewitt in the All Blacks.
He said back in the day that he used to
assign oither. Frank Bunce Rollo Brown is a bit of
a supporter for Norm Hewitt, bit of a minder if
the team was going out for an evening. Well, it
turns out that Frank Bunce and Olo Brown weren't the
only ones with that role. Jamie McKay, of all people,

(01:04:48):
was also given that role once upon a time. He's
gonna be with us after six o'clock this evening with
his memories of his old friend Norm Hewitt, And I mean,
you know, it really is quite incredible just to try
and go back in time a little bit twenty years
or so and think about how Norm Hewitt promoted those
really good public health messages, how he went through a
bit of dark stuff in his life but was able

(01:05:10):
to see the ways in which he could get through
that he could build a better, more responsible life, and
the ways in which he imparted those messages onto other people,
and in particular onto other young men. So we'll talk
to Jamie McKay about that after six o'clock this evening.
Andy has flipped me a note jack. Speed camera notifications
are a win win as far as I'm concerned. They

(01:05:31):
effectively slow traffic down where conditions are clearly needing slower speeds,
and that is the whole purpose of them. Yeah, I
mean I tend to agree. It's very hard to quantify, right,
What is more likely someone who's speeding is going to speed,
is going to drive more safely for a longer period
if they've received a fine. Maybe, But by focusing these

(01:05:52):
permanent speed cameras and the permanent speed camera warning signs
in areas where we know this high risk and there
are lots of accidents, I think that makes a lot
of sense anyway. Ninety two ninety two. If you want
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(01:06:13):
about the over prescription of antibiotics, plus what to expect
when tomorrow's inflation data is released, News is next?

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Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
CPI data due out from Stats New Zealand tomorrow. This
is the quarterly data that of course informs the big
decisions from the Reserve Bank, So what's it likely to
be well for the last quarter to the end of March.
We're at four percent for annualized data. Most of the
big banks are picking somewhere in the mid threes tomorrow.
Really the numbers that are perhaps more hotant to the

(01:07:00):
tradable non tradables, so the offshore versus the domestic inflation.
Get this, the last reading in March tradable inflation, so
offshore inflation global inflation, if you like, was at one
point six percent, non tradables at five point eight So
we need to see a big reduction in that number
before the Reserve Bank again to feel like they're fully
confident for an OCR cut. Anyway, we'll get Brad Olson

(01:07:23):
from Informetric's thoughts on that when he joins us in
a couple of minutes time. Right now, it's eight minutes
past six, Jack Team and a disease physician is calling
on healthcare leaders to stop prescribing antibiotics to patients who
don't need them. Professor Mark Thomas has warned that New
Zealand currently has one of the highest antibiotic resistant rates

(01:07:43):
in the world. His briefing has encouraged toff ufter order
and the Royal College of GPS to set goals to
reduce inappropriate antibiotic prescribing and disease. Physician Professor Mark Thomas
is with us this evening high Mark Hi Jake. So,
why is New Zealand's rankings so poorly when it comes
to antibartic prescriptions and antibarnic resistance.

Speaker 22 (01:08:05):
It's just been a culture that has built up over
a long period of time, decades of gradually increasing for
some decades of rates of gradually increasing antibotic prescribing for
people in the community. People in the community consume about
ninety five percent of all the antibiotics that are given
to people in New Zealand, so only five percent in hospitals.

(01:08:28):
Most of it's in the community. And it's gradually gone
up over the years. It's actually peaked at about twenty
and thirteen twenty fourteen and since then has been gradually
coming down. But it's but it had got up, and
it's still is at high levels compared with most countries
in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
And so for what things are people being inappropriately prescribed antibartics?

Speaker 22 (01:08:52):
The things that most people are most commonly inappropriately prescribed
antibiotics are colds, the flu, cough, you know, an episode
of bronchitis, some children with mild episodes of titus, media
people who wouldn't get rheumatic fever but have a sore throat,
but have no risk of getting rheumatic fever from the

(01:09:12):
sore throat. So anybody who's not Mari or Pacific and
aged to thirty five, they shouldn't be getting antibiotics for
a sore throat. So there's lots of what are called
upper respiratory tract infections, yeah, but not almost always caused
by viruses.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
I mean, I would have thought most doctors are pretty
aware of the concerns around antibiotic resistance. Nay, So why
would they be prescribing antibiotics for colds and viruses?

Speaker 22 (01:09:37):
Well, you've got to think about it. It's a business interaction.
The patient is coming to you. You don't have very
much time with them. As a general practitioner, you're under
pressure all the time. And some patients very strongly expect
an antibiotic for those sorts of infections. Others just don't know.
But it's sometimes difficult unless the GP asks well what

(01:09:57):
are you expecting? Do you want antibiotics or not? And
there's a time pressure, and for some patients there's the feeling, well,
I've come to see you, I've taken a lot of
time out of my day. My illness is dragged on.
I'm feeling terrible. After five or six days, my snot's
gone green, I'm still coughing. Whatever else. Just give me
something neat to or madam to fix it up. Yeah,

(01:10:19):
and quite a bit of pressure.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Yeah, I'm dad, you can understand that.

Speaker 22 (01:10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
So what are the gold standard countries for antibiotic prescriptions
and how might we do a better job of emulating
their processes?

Speaker 22 (01:10:33):
The gold standard countries are the Netherlands, Sweden and some
of the other scan all much pretty much the other Scandinavian.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Countries, right, And what do they do well that we don't.

Speaker 22 (01:10:44):
Well, they don't we have a big surge and antibiotic
prescribing through the autumn and winter and early spring months
when the viruses are spreading around a bit more because
we're more cramped up inside, and they don't have a
big surge, then they don't run a knock on giving
ele antibiotics, you know, during those months when people are
getting cops and colds, etc. Right, But they start off

(01:11:05):
with a lower baseline as well. Now we are not
the same as the Netherlands or Sweden. We have a
different population than them. We have more people, you know,
in relative poverty, and we have Marian passive people who
have a particular issue with getting rheumatic fever and some
other higher rate of all sorts of other infections as well.

(01:11:27):
So we will never get down to the same level
as them, but we could get closer to them without
having a deterioration in the health of the people of
New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
So talk to us about how you understand the goals
for reducing antibodic prescriptions are going to work. Do you
understand how that's going to function?

Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:11:45):
I think if the Ministry of Health and or the
Royal College of General Practitioners said we think that a
reduction each year of about five percent in the rate
of antibiotic prescribing across the whole country would be a
good thing for a number of years, then I think
GPS would respond to that encouragement, and I think the

(01:12:06):
general public would hear it and think, ah, yeah, well
we should be doing what they're saying, and I won't
put my GP under pressure, And maybe when I've got
a cold, I'll just stay at home because I can
look after myself perfectly well without getting going to the
doctor and expecting maybe some antibotics.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
As someone who's got a lot of expertise in the space, professor,
what do you think about as being a worst case
possibility in the near future When it comes to antibiotic resistance,
it is.

Speaker 22 (01:12:35):
A gradual thing. It's like, you know, pollution of rivers
and lakes with too much fertilizer. This is something the same.
It's pollution of the organisms, or you know, a change
in the microbiome the families of bacteria that live in
US as a result of exposure to all the antibiotics,
and it changes slowly, imperceptibly. That's why we tend to
forget about it. But it is changing. And what happens

(01:12:58):
is that eventually, and it's all already happening to a
very small degree, but it's more overseas in some of
the countries that use even more antibotics than US, is
that you see patients with bacterial infections and there's three
or four antibotics that would have worked well against that
bacterium in the past, and there's none now. That work
against that particular bacterium that that patient's got, and they

(01:13:19):
end up dying of the infection, or they end up
having to have the infected foot, for instance, cut off,
because you can't beat the infection with any antibiotics and
so you've just got to cut the infected foot off.
So yeah, those are those are the worst case scenarios
that we see increasing numbers of people with infections that
can't be treated and that cause catastrophe and that will

(01:13:41):
happen unfortunately to the populations in New Zealand who have
the highest rates of infections and have the highest amount
of antibotic treatment. And that's going to be the relatively
you know, underprivileged people in our society and particularly Marian
Pacific people. It will be a terror if we allow
it to have.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it.
That is Professor Mark Thomas. Right now it is quarter past.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
EDB Matt on the text has flicking me your message, Jack,
I reckon that CPR data is going to be a
bit of a shock tomorrow. Inflation coming in three point
nine four point one percent. Maybe, Matt say it ain't.
So let's go to CEO of Informetrics Brad Olson, who
is counting down the ours to Statistics New Zealand and

(01:14:49):
their latest CPI data. Tell me Matt's wrong. Brad, tell
me he's wrong.

Speaker 23 (01:14:54):
Look, I think it'd be pretty heroic for the inflation
numbers to remain at that level. Heart we're actually an
annual rate of three point three percent, so we think
it's actually going to be improving quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yeah, the same right, picking three point three.

Speaker 23 (01:15:10):
Yeah, around that sort of level. But I mean, I
think the thing that we're looking at now and the
piece of a puzzle, we're a bit unsure about it.
Even if that headline number comes down, do we see
enough traction on the non tradable and domestically based inflation front,
because that's what the Reserve Bank is worried about. But
you look at some of the numbers recently that have
come out. Food prices dropping for the first time in

(01:15:32):
the month of June in about six years. You know,
that's encouraging. You look at the likes of the pace
of rental growth. It's it's high, but it seems to
be sort of curving around the other side. So there's
some encouraging signs I think that are coming through. The
inflation is starting to move into closer to where we
want it to be. The challenge all I think the

(01:15:53):
difficulty writes the households is that, sure, three point three
percent is a good number, and it is important for
monetary policy. It will help you with the Reserve Bank
where they want to set interest rates slower. But if
I'm a household three point three percent still feels harsh.
When it's three point three on top of you know,
some pretty big numbers the last couple of years. You've
had like a twenty five percent increase in inflation over

(01:16:15):
the last couple of years, So households are still hurting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, And in terms of baseline figures,
stuff is certainly expensive, but I mean they're closer to
three it is the more likely surely that the Reserve
Bank is going to cut sooner.

Speaker 23 (01:16:31):
Yeah, I mean definitely, given their sort of pivot in
the last couple of weeks and you know, moving from
or moving to a bit of a softer view, if
you will, on the economy. And that's sort of consistent
with other business surveys as well, which businesses themselves are saying, Look,
there's not that great domestic trading conditions out there. As
a business, I can't get great numbers of sales. If

(01:16:52):
that's the case, I'm pretty reluctant to put up my
prices because they don't want to scare away even more consumers.
And so that is, you know, all of that is
to work in the economy, and I think, you know,
when we look at the Reserve Bank's outlook, we do
think that could change around the challenge or the question
I think, and this is always the struggle. We'd also hate, though,
to start jumping sort of from one data release to another.

(01:17:14):
So we'd hate to see a business survey out a
couple of weeks ago turn softer and then all of
a sudden everyone's like, well it's time to cut. If
inflation came in a bit hotter than expected, you know tomorrow,
you'd or equally sort of hate it. If everyone then
moved back to a it's going to take longer to
cut interest rates position.

Speaker 22 (01:17:32):
So I think we're.

Speaker 23 (01:17:33):
Trying to sort of hold our nerve a little bit,
looking through all the bits of dark to try and go.
Is this sort of persistent? Are we actually sort of
properly back towards the goal zone? But gosh, if we
can get to three point three, that also says that
comes through to the end of this year, you should
be back within that one to three target band. If
that's the case, that certainly should give the Reserve Bank
a lot more confidence. So we're building that strong picture

(01:17:56):
for interest rate cuts at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Yeah, very good. Fingers crossed, Thanks Brad. That is Brad
Olsen from Informetrics.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
A rural report on the heather topers Elan Drive with
Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Host of the Country, Jamie Mackay with us this evening.
Hey Jamie, Oh hang on this second, Hey, Jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Hey, good a Jack there, we take two.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Take two. Hey. I know you are a man of
many talents, but I didn't know that I'd be putting
you in the same group as Frank Bunce and Olo Brown.
But you are remembering your old mate Norm Hewitt tonight.
And like those two gentlemen, once upon a time, you
called your self Norm Hewitt's minder.

Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
Well, I was asked to be his minder. To be
perfectly honest, I failed miserably in that job. Jack, Look,
I meane my connection with Norm Hewitt and I was
so taken aback to hear he died today, just fifty
five years of age of motor neuron disease. But my
connection with Norm came when an outfit called Southland decided

(01:19:01):
in the mid nineteen nineties that we would beef up
the Southland rugby side and had a crack at First
Division by importing a few players. We took the likes
Marty Brook, Robin's brother who was an All Black at
the time, and Norm Hewitt, and he was paid for
or funded by the Matara Licensing Trust. I was involved
with him at the time and the chief then chief

(01:19:22):
Executive asked me to be Norm's minder while he was
down in Southland for two or three years. And as
I say, I probably failed a bit, especially when he
was drinking. He was a weep at heart to control.
But there were two sides to Norm Hewitt, A sober
Norm Hewitt or Norm Hewitt of latter years, as an
absolute gentleman and had a certain sort of air of

(01:19:42):
grace about him, almost Maori Royalty. I don't know what
it was, but he had that. He had that mana
and air of grace about him. So yeah, I failed
probably looking after Norm, but I loved him as a
bloke and in recent years, like you, I appear on
the MC circuit on occasions, and i'd see him when
he was a keynote speaker at conferences. In my last memory,

(01:20:04):
the last time I ran into Norm was at Field
Days not too many years ago, when he wandered up
and he did a week slot on our show and
it was great to connect again and we went and
had a coffee and that's the last time I saw Norm,
just one one week statistical comment and I heard LORR
Maine's tribute to him, which was lovely as well. Norm
Norm I played for the All Blacks for six seasons

(01:20:26):
and only got nine tests. The bloke who was in
front of him fits he played ninety two tests. If
Norm was an All Black today he would have played
seventy or eighty tests. So he was a patient man
because he rode the pine for a lot of years.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Yeah, yeah, how well said the GDT auction tonight, Jamie,
what are you expecting?

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Well, mine's far greater than mine. Jack. I always there's
a couple I go to, Mike McIntyre at Jardin and
Emma Higgins at Ravo Bank. Look, it looks like we're
heading for three down in a row, which is a
bit depressing considering the last auction on July the second,
a fortnight ago, was down six point nine percent. Now
the futures market is picking at powder's skim milk. Powder

(01:21:11):
whole could be down by as much as five percent.
Mike mcintires saying the GDT index cross the basket of
goods down three percent. Emma Higgins is slightly more positive
out a Ravo Bank. She's saying powders could be down
to two and a bit percent due to increased Northern
Hemisphere volumes on the GDT platform. There is a rider

(01:21:32):
to this, So Jack, if you're going to get a
drop in the GDT auction results, now it's not a
bad time of the year. It's effectively our off season.
Our payment is locked and loaded for the season just gone,
and we've got a long way to go till September
twenty twenty five before we announced the payout for the
season we're currently in.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
And Jamie, are we living through the beginning of the
end for free trade?

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
I don't know I should ask you. I know you
spent a lot of time in the States following the
likes of Shrump and Biden. Look, I was just reading
an interesting article Jack and Farmers Weekly, and I do
need to credit them for putting this together. They're basically
saying both candidates Biden and Trump look like they're going
to have presidential election policies imposing tariffs on imported products

(01:22:20):
that could provoke global retaliation. Obviously, China's their primary target.
China's one of the world's biggest traders, if not the
world's biggest trader, so that's going to have an effect
on US. Donald Trump is going to threatening to impose
a sixty percent tariff on all imports from China and
add a ten percent tariff on imports from the rest

(01:22:41):
of the world. That would sting. And while Joe Biden's
already moved on the Chinese for instance, if you want
to buy Chinese electric vehicle, you'll pay one hundred percent tariff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Yeah, that's massive A thank you so much, Jamie. That's
Jamie MacKaye, Host of the Country. It's a very good point. Actually,
after Trump's first term, a lot of people thought that
Joe Biden would want line back a lot of those
trade policies with China, but actually, if anything, he's kind
of doubled down on them. So it'd be interesting to
see if we do have a second term of a
Trump presidency, just how much he increases those Again, it's

(01:23:15):
like an arms race at the moment. News is next
on Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Jack Team
with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR
platform for s Ons talks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
When it comes to political philosophies, you would have to
say Britain's new Prime Minister Kiir Starmer, George's Georgia and
Italy's lead Georgia Maloney would be at opposite ends of
the scale. However, Kirstarmer has reached out to Georgia Maloney
for a very interesting conversation. We're going to take you

(01:24:10):
live to the UK before seven o'clock this evening give
you the details on that right now though. It is
twenty three minutes to seven and the government team is
considering rolling back insulation standards because of overheating and new
build cost blowouts. The new standards are estimated to save
a new home around forty percent on heating. Building and
Construction Minister Chris Penk has reportedly asked mb to quote

(01:24:34):
urgently investigate the cost of the changes. John Tukey is
a professor of construction at aut and is with us
this evening. Hi, John, good evening overheating and new built.
Is this a thing?

Speaker 17 (01:24:47):
It's a new one for me. I have to say,
I just looked at it one seriously. Really is that
a thing? I'm not sure? I'll say, not so much.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Yeah, So what's the problem.

Speaker 17 (01:24:59):
Okay, So the issue here is it comes down to
the cost of acquisition and through life costs and the
difference between the two.

Speaker 23 (01:25:07):
Right.

Speaker 17 (01:25:07):
So, if you when you acquire a new build and
you try to upgrade the capability of the new build
to be able to deal with insulation and but whatever,
you know, pick an issue, then you you have to
spend more. And that's the way of things, and they're
spending more in the short term means that long term

(01:25:28):
is through the through life sales or sorry, through life
costs associated with you know, fifty years or more of
operation means that you make it all back and more
just on the basis of the lower costs.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Right. So what you're saying is that it makes more
financial scenes to look at things over the longer term,
and that justifies the investment in really good quality insulation
when a building is constructed.

Speaker 17 (01:25:57):
As a general sum, absolutely, I mean you're talking about
relatively speaking, a few thousands of dollars upfront as opposed
to tens of thousands of dollars through life. You know,
you're if you're talking about fifty sixty seventy years of
the operation of the build, then guess what, you know,

(01:26:18):
you're going to get get a better bang for your
book over the long time rather than the short time.

Speaker 10 (01:26:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
So the thing that the Minister is apparently investigating at
those upgrades to insulation and glazing requirements that were introduced
in May of last year. So how significant were those changes?
Oh are you there? John?

Speaker 10 (01:26:39):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
What if you I've lost John, we'llever we can get
him back in a moment. So this has come about
because of official because of correspondence that has been released
under the Official Information Act to arn Z and in
which case the Minister was warned about upgrades potentially leading
to some overheating, although it was noted that in that

(01:27:01):
official information apparently those upgrades had overwhelming support. I mean,
I mean, it probably all depends on the nature of
the upgrades, but you know, they certainly reduced heating requirements
according to this information, and like a four bedroom home
by up to forty percent, which is significant. And when
you imagine what energy bills might be over the lifetime
of a house or said building, you think you'd make

(01:27:23):
that money back in no time. Sorry, Sorry, John, I
think you beck with us now. I was just asking.

Speaker 17 (01:27:27):
I'm back. I'm definitely back. West of Auckland is a
wonderful place.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
It certainly is, just not when it comes to cel
phone reception. So how significant were those changes to insulation
and glazing requirements that were introduced last year?

Speaker 17 (01:27:40):
Look the way of you, I mean to sit here
and start complaining about overheating is laughable. No, it's not
an issue as far as overheating is concerned. Guess what
all you have to do is I don't know, open
a window, knew who knew that this could fix it?
It's not complicated long term. If you're interested as an organization,

(01:28:04):
as a country, or anything else in terms of being
able to deal with you know, greenhouse gas emissions and
bloody blah, then you know, guess what you're going to
have to You're going to have to insulate. You're going
to have to insulate effectively. You're going to have to
insulate over the long term, and you're going to have
to deal with that cost up front. You know, to
to to play games and start talking about this notion

(01:28:27):
of overheating. My god, yeah, really you know this, this
this is not a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Well it's in good faith. Let's take the other side
of the argument. Let's take the capital out lay and
so say, you know, the insulation costs forty or fifty
thousand dollars to meet the eight one standard. What is
the likelihood that their expense for people or companies building houses? Ultimately,
is the difference between us addressing you know, the housing

(01:28:56):
shortage and not addressing it as effectively as we might
is having that standard costing us in terms of new houses?

Speaker 17 (01:29:06):
Well again, I'm going to come back to the requirements
that we have as a nation with regard to meeting
the requirements of the of the climate cords that we've
signed ourself up to legally as a nation in terms
of greenhouse gas emissions. Now, am I some sort of
zelop that's going to sit here and say, oh, we
need to do this for this reason. No, that's not

(01:29:29):
my point. You know, if you're talking about the long
term through life costs associated with the expenditure on heating, right,
let's say that fifty years is your baseline. Fifty years
is your baseline, and you've spent fifty thousand dollars at
thousand dollars a year at current prices, you know, which
equates to a lot more over the longer term, you know,

(01:29:51):
in the future future cost basis. You know, I'm sorry,
but you know it is an absolute no brainer in
terms of in terms of savings made, and it's also
some substantial change in terms of the total amount of
greenhouse gas emissions and blah blah blah that is that
is required. You can't have it both ways. You can't

(01:30:12):
just sit and say, well, we're going to sit here,
We're going to go for the lowest cost of acquisition,
and it's a case that's nice, but actually, if you
if you really are serious, if you're really playing the
game of being able to achieve all these outcomes. And
by the way, all governmental ministers are going to be
really keen on saying, oh, yes, we've met our climate

(01:30:34):
obligations and so forth, all of them throughout the Western
world are very keen on this. Then you know that
there is a there's a there's a payment of the
paper that's required.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Right, yeah, yeah, And I suppose you know when you
when you think about all of those related costs, right,
even just the healthcare costs from from people who have
illnesses that might have been prevented had they been living
in warmer, dryer home. So I mean, there are all
sorts of flow on effigs that you can imagine that
are quite hard to equate for, to account for. But
but but significant.

Speaker 17 (01:31:08):
Yeah, it is. And you know, you know, at what
point do we do we step back from going for
the lowest cost of acquisition? You know, I'm serious. You know,
as we sit here now, the biggest single issues associated
with this government and the previous government, in the previous
government prior to that, in the previous government pride of that.
I've been talking about this stuff in the last couple

(01:31:28):
of decades, and I'm telling you here and now the
issues are around infrastructural acquisition. They are about dealing with
things like stormwater, ruff toilets, flipping, dealing with you know, sewerage,
water supply, power roading, all the other infrastructure around, dealing

(01:31:49):
with you know, having doctors, surgeries and hospitals and YadA, YadA, YadA.
All this stuff is are things that we need to
consider and to play the game. And this is not
me being political in any way, shape or form, but
to actually say with a straight face that we're going
to now talk about the problems of overheating really in

(01:32:15):
New Zealand. Are you sure? Yeah? Really, I'm honestly, I'm
I'm I'm at a loss to know how to respond
to that. I'm sorry that that's that's a fatuous position
to take.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Thank you so much for your time, John, We really
appreciate it. That is John Tookey, who's a professor at
a UT right now it is quarter to seven on
news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
He'd be whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
It's all on a Business Hour with.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Jack Tame and my HR, the HR platform for SMEB.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Glenn has flipped me and up to say Jack, thanks
for that. Overheating is actually an issue, though primarily due
to the amount of unshaded glazing facing east or west,
which is more common as we build a higher density,
the increased insulation then keeps the excess heat in. But
insulation is not the problem. Lack of shading, the lack
of proper mechanical ventilation is as well as windows in

(01:33:11):
silly places. We need to keep the H one upgrades,
but introduce upgrades to shading and ventilation requirements to suit.
Thank you Glenn, that is a very thoughtful message ninety
two if you want to flick us a note as well.
Time now to catch up with the UK correspondent in
the Bradyinda, Hey jacko a very well thank you. So
King Charles is set to open parliament officially.

Speaker 24 (01:33:34):
He is, and it's a big deal really because this
is obviously the first labor government of his reign and
a new Prime Minister just settling into the job in
care Starmer. It's it's a big deal, so there'll be
all the pump and pageantry. He will read out all
the various different bits of legislation that will be brought
in during this term or the government has had the

(01:33:54):
ambition to bring in. There's about thirty five pieces of
legislation so far already, So all eyes on Westminster tomorrow.
But Charles is looking fantastic and I think it'll be
quite a spectacle.

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
And some of the legislation coming in will include something
that will make spiking a specific criminal offense. Is in
drink spiking right.

Speaker 24 (01:34:15):
Yes, So this is something really that is badly needed
because would you believe that the police are actually using
a piece of law from eighteen sixty one to deal
with spiking at the moment, I mean, criminals move on
at pace. The law seems to crawl eighteen sixty one.
It's some branch of the Public Order Act. So going
back to the time of Queen Victoria, that is what

(01:34:38):
we're looking at the moment, But that will change as
of tomorrow. Spiking is going to be a separate, specific
criminal offense. So this is when predominantly guys go to
bars with these little droplet things or whatever like ro
hypnol and they're looking to spike women's drinks. We've seen
incidents of it with people being injected, and men can

(01:34:58):
be victims as well, but it is predominant a male
offense against women. We've seen syringes used, people putting drinks,
spiking and what have you. It's absolutely disgusting. It's so
bad that in twenty twenty four we're using legislation from
eighteen sixty one. So all of that is changing as
of tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Indo, why are forty five European leaders in Oxfordshire?

Speaker 24 (01:35:22):
So this is a big deal. Actually, Starmer's government have
made no secret of the fact that Britain will be
rebuilding relationships in Europe. I mean they were on the
floor for the last few years. Europe is looking in.
They see a new leader, a new kind of political ideology,
and they're curious. So while Britain has left the European
Union and that in itself has been an absolute catastrophe

(01:35:44):
for the UK, Starmer still has Britain as a member
of the European political community. That can't change. Britain is
still geographically in Europe and will be forever. So all
these European leaders are being brought to Blenham Palace, which
is a beautiful play. Actually, if you ever ever get
over this way. Jacket's absolutely one of the top notch

(01:36:05):
destinations to go visit in Britain. It's in Oxfordshire. Winston
Churchill was actually born there. And the plan is that
forty five European leaders will arrive here tomorrow. Starmer will
get a look at them, they'll get a look at him,
and I think in particular he wants to start building
relationships and seeing what he can do about migration and
stopping those boats coming across from France.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
And is this part of the reason is in trying
to improve relationships in Europe. I think Kyo Sam's reaching
out to Italy's Prime Minister Georgia Mliiney.

Speaker 10 (01:36:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:36:35):
So she's been a big leader on this. She's a
very interesting woman to watch. She is someone who has
surprised I think since she came into powers. She had
a lot of far right, kind of right wing rhetoric
before she got the job. She's toned a lot of
that down. She's quite smart, She's building alliances in Europe,
and she is a mover and a shaker. She is
absolutely a leader going places now. She helped change European

(01:36:59):
Unions policy on migration in the last twelve months, and
I think Starmer realizes that, you know, a lot of
the migrants who ultimately get on these dinghies in France
coming to the UK, their first port of entry or
point of entry in the Europe is the Italian islands
of Sicily and off Sicily. So Starmer will want to
speak to her. She has ambitions to have her own

(01:37:22):
offshore kind of asylum application processing center. He's already killed
Orruwanda plan dead on day one, so let's see what happens.
But I think, you know, having had fourteen years of
everyone here being told that, you know, be suspicious of
Europe and we don't want to be friends with these neighbors.
There are so many problems. We've got a war in
Europe right now. Jack, I think Starmer is smart enough

(01:37:45):
to realize that you can only get places if you
have friends.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Yeah, well said, hey, thanks Cinda, you take care. That
is Brady UK correspondent Right now. It is seven minutes
to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Whether it's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR
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Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
S use talks. It'd be just coming up to seven
o'clock on your Tuesday evening after seven Joe Elliott Smith
for Sports Talk this evening Elliot Smith, he's that bobble.
That man is his firm?

Speaker 25 (01:38:22):
Airs was I about to what? Were you about to
give yourself another hour on the radio? Yeah, on sports Talk,
got some sporting opinions for the audience.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
No, I'm not back with you until tomorrow afternoon. Until then,
what have we got to ants?

Speaker 25 (01:38:33):
There's nothing holding me back by Sean Mendy is to
play us out tonight on again off against celebrity couple
Sewn Mendes and Camilla Cabayo.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
Maybe back together again.

Speaker 25 (01:38:43):
So the evidence that has been put up for this
is the fact that they went to the Copa America
Grand Final.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Together. Did they hang on so they weren't caught in
the whatever? They probably were caught in those crazy scenes.

Speaker 25 (01:38:54):
Hopefully they paid for their tickets and didn't sneak in
through the interview, You had to hope. So yeah, they
could certainly afford it. Yeah, but yeah, So the thing
is them sitting together, unfortunately is not really a smoking gun,
just because they generally stay friends even when they're not dating.
So going to watch the football with your mate is
actually quite an normal thing to do, so I don't
think we can really start an is it because they
know that all eyes would have been on them, right, yeah,

(01:39:16):
come on, and they were smiling for the photos and
stuff as well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
But again it's not a smoking gun jack. We'll sleep,
We'll see how it develops. Yeah, we will keenly anticipate
our list develops and be struggling to sleep tonight on
that news. Thank you very much, Chance, thanks to Andy
for doing the tough stuff as well. I'm back with
you tomorrow afternoon for Drive. Elliot Smith with you very
shortly until then. News is next. It's almost seven. This

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Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
It'd be.

Speaker 14 (01:39:44):
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