July 19, 2024 • 9 mins
Newstalk ZB Sport news director Clay Wilson and Newstalk ZB rugby commentator Paul Ellison joined Jack Tame for the Sports Huddle.
The Warriors are entering do-or-die territory, with their efforts hampered by a season-ending injury to skipper Tohu Harris.
The All Blacks have headed stateside to San Diego - where coach Scott Robertson named a team full of debutants in tomorrow's clash with Fiji.
And Ardie Savea has been linked with a shock move away from the Hurricanes to Moana Pasifika.
And one week away from the Olympics, the hype level is starting to build for Paris.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Sports Tuddle with us this evening newstalks 'DB sports news
director Clay Wilson and newstok's 'b Rugby commentator Paul Allison,
Calcudawa Calder Jack Jack And let's start off with the
Warriors this evening ten o'clock. They're up against the Raiders
and Clay, it's a tough ask. Are they stuffed without
Toahu Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Ah, stuffed in what context? Stuffed in terms of making
the top eight or stuffed in terms of well both
winning a premiership. In terms of winning a premiership, I
think they were already up against it.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Winning a premiership is very tricky.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, And making the eight, I don't think so. I
think the NRL is such an open competition. There's seven
rounds to go still and they're only three points out
of it. I wouldn't be shocked either way. If they
make it, no surprise. If they don't make it, no
surprise either. Those teams around the eight, inside the eight,
there's not much between them, and yes, Wiley's a key play.
I think they've got enough depth there and enough good
(01:03):
players in the team they could still make it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, right, I mean, I mean that's the thing with
the worries, right, they might they could or they could
be disastered. We never know. There's why we love them, Paul.
How much do you think they're hurting from losing Tohu
Harris for the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Oh, that'll hurt them, no doubt about that. Nicol cole
STD's not there tonight. Neis Montoya and Jamal Foggerty's back
for the Raiders. But you look at where they are
in the season. They've had seven wins out of seventeen.
Last year you needed thirteen wins to make the top eight.
The previous year you needed fourteen. You go back to
twenty twenty one, it was ten wins. So they've got
(01:37):
seven games left and five of those teams are above
them on the table. We know they're hot and cold.
Sometimes they perform superbly well, other times they're at the
cellar door, So you really start to wonder whereabouts they
might be. They need to be consistent. The Raiders are
in a similar position on the table. Clay's right. I mean,
they can certainly still make the top eight, but every
win from here on is pretty well crucial. I think
(01:59):
they need it least five out of the next seven
next to win it. And if you don't do that,
and the fact that, as I said, five of the
remaining seven games they've got teams above them on the table,
it's not going to be an easy ask. And I
think you talk about Taho Harris, his loss will probably
certainly hurt them. But we've seen in the passmen they
had some key players out. That's when sometimes just sometimes
(02:21):
they performed their best.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Paul, looking at that squad for tomorrow's All Bags match
against Fiji in San Diego, of course, do you reckon
there is a risk that Raiser is maybe taking Fiji
just a little lightly with such a debutante heavy squad.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, he's got to play them somewhere. He's picked thirty
two and it added two more, so he's got thirty four.
We saw he's very consistent in that English series and
he has experienced guys and didn't really give any deputantes
a chance apart from Radom and gotta run in that
second Test. This is the opportunity to do it Fiji. Sure,
they went really well at the World Cup last year.
(02:56):
They've got a lot of players there from that Fiji
and drew It super rugby team. This year they played
Georgia and beat them twenty one twelve. Earlier this month
they got beaten by the bar Bars, but they haven't
got the same depth of squad as the All Blacks.
I don't think he's taking a risk. I think he's
doing exactly the right thing. And I think he's got
to love them somewhere because it doesn't get easier for
the All Blacks after this. This will probably be one
(03:17):
of the easiest tests that they play in the twenty
twenty four calendar season.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Dangerous words there, poor.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Whill you go?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Paul I hopefully it doesn't come back and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We'll be clipping up those comments as we speak. Well,
what is going to be gameplay from having this game
in San Diego outside of a quick buck.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, every sport in recent memory has been after the
US market. It's such a massive market financially obviously, the viewers,
you can attract, sponsorships, all those things. And yes, while
you might argue that rugby is never going to be
the NFL the NBA, the EMAILB, you know, the big
four that dominate in the US and other sports. If
(04:01):
you can gain even just a chunk, a small chunk
of that US market, you know there's a lot to
be gained for ends R for going there right so,
and for World rugby. If they can increase rugby's presence
in the US, you know that that increases things for
rugby globally. So I get why they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I just prefer to say the game and suver. I know,
I know they're making money. I know this might well
make them a whole lot more money in the Fijian
Union than they would if they were hosting this game
in Fiji. I just it's always going to be a
massive off broadway sport in the US. They try and
explain the breakdown, Try and explain, oh, the scrum has
to reset because this prop didn't have his buying right like,
(04:43):
try and explain that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's not going to work American football. You know, we
compare American football to rugby. It's just so dominant.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But it's a spectacle. American football a TV and made
for TV spectacle. It is arguably better suited to introducing
it to a new audience. I'm not I love Rugby.
I'm just saying I.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Guess New Zealand rug in the position they are and
are looking at, they're really trying to maximize what they're
doing financially. I mean you only have to look at
what's going on with the governance stuff right that they're
trying to get financially back on track and this is
this is part of that, whether some people like it
or not. I would prefer to see the game in
Suver as well. I'm sure a lot of Keywis would.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, all right, we're back with the U S Talk
Z'B sports Huddle in a couple of minutes. Clay Wilson
Paul Allison with us this evening.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
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Speaker 1 (05:29):
Paul Allison Clay Wilson on the huddle this evening. An
amazing report from Liam Napier in The Herald Today suggesting
that Ardie Savia might be set to leave the Hurricanes
and join Moana Pacifica instead. Paul, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well, my understanding, that's exactly what he wants to do,
and it's just a matter of making that fit. I
think it's an outstanding decision that Moana Pacifica Ken greb
his services. Obviously he's got some own here atage, born
in Wellington, one hundred and thirty one games or something
for the Hurricanes already and get a bigger name signing
for Mowana Pacifica, who have been really mucked around since
(06:04):
they've come into this competition three years ago. They haven't
had a stable home base, that've been shoved around all
over the place. They finished at the bottom of the
table the first couple of seasons, got four wins this
year and got some big names around them, likes of
Sir Brian Williams and Michael Jones and Tanomang of the
coach and so they've got some heavyweight players or ex
(06:25):
players that have got a lot of influence, and Artie
Savia would be the perfect fit for them to be
able to launch them to another level. I think it's
a great decision because the Hurricanes, let's face it, they've
got a richer you know, the sport for riches and
the loose forwards with Lackey and Jose and Shields and
Careffe and Flanders and the like. So they're not going
to miss him too much. He's an outstanding player. But
I'll tell you what he's going to be met every
(06:46):
for Minor pacifica than what he probably will be for
the Hurricane.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, you can only imagine what it would do for
that for that franchise class.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, I'm massive, And I think Artie Severe has talked
about this probably. I'm sure he has spoken about this already,
about how much you love the concert of Mowana and
then how he could see himself later in his career
going there. And I think it makes sense at this
time where the Hurricanes are performing well and like Paul says,
are just you know, if there was one position where
the Hurricanes are spoiled for good players and young players
(07:14):
that are going to play in that position for years
to come, it's in the loose forwards. So, you know,
while disappointing, I'm a Hurricanes follower fan, but I think
it's a great move for him to go to to Mowaana,
lead the side and really you know, be a role
model for the for those youngers.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So what a leader, man, what a leader he's getting.
I mean he is already obviously, but for that team,
you can just imagine that you know what kind of
influence he's going to have.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, just like you think about the money he will
have in that team, but also the the ip that
he brings in terms of into the into the trainings,
into how they're playing. Those players are just going to
follow him and watch what he does with so much interest.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So we are less than a week away now, about
a week away from the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Paul,
where is your hype level at building?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's starting to build. I'm really quite excited about some
of the New Zealand athletes in Action one hundred and
ninety five. We've got ninety seven women's spread across twenty
two different sports. Most of those are actually in team
sports thirty six footballers and twenty four and rugby sevens.
But we're well covered. I think we've actually got a
really strong team. And as you get closer in the
(08:21):
action starts, it's only seven days away, sixteen days of glory.
They talk about it. I'm really excited by it. I'm
not quite sure how they're going to get on the
Sane river though, because I see the Paris met had
a bit of a dip there in the last couple
of days, and they're saying that if that water isn't
clear enough to be able to swim in the triathlon,
(08:42):
is going down to a jew athlon.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It would be so embarrassed. Again, what do you think
as your hype level for the games?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I like Paul building and I think it's one
of those things here in New Zealand once it starts,
we get into it because we love our sport and
we love to see our qe athletes doing well. And
I agree we've got a pretty strong team. I mean,
it was so successful, wasn't it in Tokyo. I think
twenty medals in total, seven goals, and I think we
could we could achieve the same kind of success. And
it's not just the Kiwi events, it's it's all everything
(09:13):
that comes with it. One hundred meters you know, the pool,
the pool, all those things. It's great obviously.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Becoming an expert of sports that you haven't watched at
all for the last Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The track coming and the rhythm. Yeah, we all become
experts in sports that we've never watched. So definitely looking
forward to it with great interest and it's going to
be a great two and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Very good. Thanks so much for your time, Guys, Klay Wilson,
Paul Ellison huddle this evening
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Sports Tuddle with us this evening newstalks 'DB sports news
director Clay Wilson and newstok's 'b Rugby commentator Paul Allison,
Calcudawa Calder Jack Jack And let's start off with the
Warriors this evening ten o'clock. They're up against the Raiders
and Clay, it's a tough ask. Are they stuffed without
Toahu Harris.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Ah, stuffed in what context? Stuffed in terms of making
the top eight or stuffed in terms of well both
winning a premiership. In terms of winning a premiership, I
think they were already up against it.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Winning a premiership is very tricky.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, And making the eight, I don't think so. I
think the NRL is such an open competition. There's seven
rounds to go still and they're only three points out
of it. I wouldn't be shocked either way. If they
make it, no surprise. If they don't make it, no
surprise either. Those teams around the eight, inside the eight,
there's not much between them, and yes, Wiley's a key play.
I think they've got enough depth there and enough good
(01:03):
players in the team they could still make it.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, right, I mean, I mean that's the thing with
the worries, right, they might they could or they could
be disastered. We never know. There's why we love them, Paul.
How much do you think they're hurting from losing Tohu
Harris for the rest of the season.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Oh, that'll hurt them, no doubt about that. Nicol cole
STD's not there tonight. Neis Montoya and Jamal Foggerty's back
for the Raiders. But you look at where they are
in the season. They've had seven wins out of seventeen.
Last year you needed thirteen wins to make the top eight.
The previous year you needed fourteen. You go back to
twenty twenty one, it was ten wins. So they've got
(01:37):
seven games left and five of those teams are above
them on the table. We know they're hot and cold.
Sometimes they perform superbly well, other times they're at the
cellar door, So you really start to wonder whereabouts they
might be. They need to be consistent. The Raiders are
in a similar position on the table. Clay's right. I mean,
they can certainly still make the top eight, but every
win from here on is pretty well crucial. I think
(01:59):
they need it least five out of the next seven
next to win it. And if you don't do that,
and the fact that, as I said, five of the
remaining seven games they've got teams above them on the table,
it's not going to be an easy ask. And I
think you talk about Taho Harris, his loss will probably
certainly hurt them. But we've seen in the passmen they
had some key players out. That's when sometimes just sometimes
(02:21):
they performed their best.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Paul, looking at that squad for tomorrow's All Bags match
against Fiji in San Diego, of course, do you reckon
there is a risk that Raiser is maybe taking Fiji
just a little lightly with such a debutante heavy squad.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, he's got to play them somewhere. He's picked thirty
two and it added two more, so he's got thirty four.
We saw he's very consistent in that English series and
he has experienced guys and didn't really give any deputantes
a chance apart from Radom and gotta run in that
second Test. This is the opportunity to do it Fiji. Sure,
they went really well at the World Cup last year.
(02:56):
They've got a lot of players there from that Fiji
and drew It super rugby team. This year they played
Georgia and beat them twenty one twelve. Earlier this month
they got beaten by the bar Bars, but they haven't
got the same depth of squad as the All Blacks.
I don't think he's taking a risk. I think he's
doing exactly the right thing. And I think he's got
to love them somewhere because it doesn't get easier for
the All Blacks after this. This will probably be one
(03:17):
of the easiest tests that they play in the twenty
twenty four calendar season.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Dangerous words there, poor.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Whill you go?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Paul I hopefully it doesn't come back and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
We'll be clipping up those comments as we speak. Well,
what is going to be gameplay from having this game
in San Diego outside of a quick buck.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Well, every sport in recent memory has been after the
US market. It's such a massive market financially obviously, the viewers,
you can attract, sponsorships, all those things. And yes, while
you might argue that rugby is never going to be
the NFL the NBA, the EMAILB, you know, the big
four that dominate in the US and other sports. If
(04:01):
you can gain even just a chunk, a small chunk
of that US market, you know there's a lot to
be gained for ends R for going there right so,
and for World rugby. If they can increase rugby's presence
in the US, you know that that increases things for
rugby globally. So I get why they're doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I just prefer to say the game and suver. I know,
I know they're making money. I know this might well
make them a whole lot more money in the Fijian
Union than they would if they were hosting this game
in Fiji. I just it's always going to be a
massive off broadway sport in the US. They try and
explain the breakdown, Try and explain, oh, the scrum has
to reset because this prop didn't have his buying right like,
(04:43):
try and explain that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It's not going to work American football. You know, we
compare American football to rugby. It's just so dominant.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
But it's a spectacle. American football a TV and made
for TV spectacle. It is arguably better suited to introducing
it to a new audience. I'm not I love Rugby.
I'm just saying I.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Guess New Zealand rug in the position they are and
are looking at, they're really trying to maximize what they're
doing financially. I mean you only have to look at
what's going on with the governance stuff right that they're
trying to get financially back on track and this is
this is part of that, whether some people like it
or not. I would prefer to see the game in
Suver as well. I'm sure a lot of Keywis would.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, all right, we're back with the U S Talk
Z'B sports Huddle in a couple of minutes. Clay Wilson
Paul Allison with us this evening.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty,
Unparallel Reach and Results.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Paul Allison Clay Wilson on the huddle this evening. An
amazing report from Liam Napier in The Herald Today suggesting
that Ardie Savia might be set to leave the Hurricanes
and join Moana Pacifica instead. Paul, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Well, my understanding, that's exactly what he wants to do,
and it's just a matter of making that fit. I
think it's an outstanding decision that Moana Pacifica Ken greb
his services. Obviously he's got some own here atage, born
in Wellington, one hundred and thirty one games or something
for the Hurricanes already and get a bigger name signing
for Mowana Pacifica, who have been really mucked around since
(06:04):
they've come into this competition three years ago. They haven't
had a stable home base, that've been shoved around all
over the place. They finished at the bottom of the
table the first couple of seasons, got four wins this
year and got some big names around them, likes of
Sir Brian Williams and Michael Jones and Tanomang of the
coach and so they've got some heavyweight players or ex
(06:25):
players that have got a lot of influence, and Artie
Savia would be the perfect fit for them to be
able to launch them to another level. I think it's
a great decision because the Hurricanes, let's face it, they've
got a richer you know, the sport for riches and
the loose forwards with Lackey and Jose and Shields and
Careffe and Flanders and the like. So they're not going
to miss him too much. He's an outstanding player. But
I'll tell you what he's going to be met every
(06:46):
for Minor pacifica than what he probably will be for
the Hurricane.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, you can only imagine what it would do for
that for that franchise class.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, I'm massive, And I think Artie Severe has talked
about this probably. I'm sure he has spoken about this already,
about how much you love the concert of Mowana and
then how he could see himself later in his career
going there. And I think it makes sense at this
time where the Hurricanes are performing well and like Paul says,
are just you know, if there was one position where
the Hurricanes are spoiled for good players and young players
(07:14):
that are going to play in that position for years
to come, it's in the loose forwards. So, you know,
while disappointing, I'm a Hurricanes follower fan, but I think
it's a great move for him to go to to Mowaana,
lead the side and really you know, be a role
model for the for those youngers.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So what a leader, man, what a leader he's getting.
I mean he is already obviously, but for that team,
you can just imagine that you know what kind of
influence he's going to have.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Yeah, just like you think about the money he will
have in that team, but also the the ip that
he brings in terms of into the into the trainings,
into how they're playing. Those players are just going to
follow him and watch what he does with so much interest.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So we are less than a week away now, about
a week away from the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Paul,
where is your hype level at building?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
It's starting to build. I'm really quite excited about some
of the New Zealand athletes in Action one hundred and
ninety five. We've got ninety seven women's spread across twenty
two different sports. Most of those are actually in team
sports thirty six footballers and twenty four and rugby sevens.
But we're well covered. I think we've actually got a
really strong team. And as you get closer in the
(08:21):
action starts, it's only seven days away, sixteen days of glory.
They talk about it. I'm really excited by it. I'm
not quite sure how they're going to get on the
Sane river though, because I see the Paris met had
a bit of a dip there in the last couple
of days, and they're saying that if that water isn't
clear enough to be able to swim in the triathlon,
(08:42):
is going down to a jew athlon.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It would be so embarrassed. Again, what do you think
as your hype level for the games?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, I like Paul building and I think it's one
of those things here in New Zealand once it starts,
we get into it because we love our sport and
we love to see our qe athletes doing well. And
I agree we've got a pretty strong team. I mean,
it was so successful, wasn't it in Tokyo. I think
twenty medals in total, seven goals, and I think we
could we could achieve the same kind of success. And
it's not just the Kiwi events, it's it's all everything
(09:13):
that comes with it. One hundred meters you know, the pool,
the pool, all those things. It's great obviously.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Becoming an expert of sports that you haven't watched at
all for the last Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The track coming and the rhythm. Yeah, we all become
experts in sports that we've never watched. So definitely looking
forward to it with great interest and it's going to
be a great two and a half weeks.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Very good. Thanks so much for your time, Guys, Klay Wilson,
Paul Ellison huddle this evening
Speaker 2 (09:40):
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