July 23, 2024 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Jordan Williams from the Taxpayers' Union joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Commerce Commission is making moves to regulate PayWave fees and online card payments to ensure Kiwis don't get ripped off. Do we agree with this? How do we feel about PayWave?
Darleen Tana has made her first appearance in Parliament following the investigation of her knowledge of alleged migrant exploitation at her husband's business. Why is she still hanging on? Do we think the Greens will resort to waka-jumping laws?
Prime Minister Chris Luxon is under fire following his decision to cut one of his regular media opportunities on Tuesdays going forward. Has Luxon made the right call?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle of this this evening, Allie Jones read
PR Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hello you too, grehead? Hi Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Do you use payWave?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Well no, I've started not to and carrying cash around
with me. How sad is that you packing machine? No
I use coins, or I don't park there, or I
take the risk. Seriously, I will not pay those fees,
I am. I'm a communtion with it. I mean, even
if you go to use your debit card, which is
your own bloody money for a start, sometimes before you
(00:37):
can do the swipe, it does the Zeppi thing. So no,
I carry cash around with me and will not pay
the fees.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yees, you got on yet? Got on yet?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Jordan? I resent paying it. We used to have the
zero merchant fees FOSS system was the best in the world.
The bank hated it the well actually the banks that
might have didn't have to cover cash hand fees that
was their benefit. Who hated it were the big card switches, which,
of course of now getting their way because we're all
(01:06):
moving to payWave and and shipping off hundreds of millions,
so we get nothing in return di Visa and MasterCard.
But of course the banks now get a kickback on it,
so they see a new revenue stream. I think it's terrible.
I resent it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What's the pick back that the banks get.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, the banks get fees on them.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So you're getting you're getting the master and fee know.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
That yet, Yeah, and they get a kickback from the
big credit card switches, so that they said, it's new
revenue for them, which is why we're all getting encouraged
to get debit cards with paywaves.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, okay, Elie, I'm here for the crackdown, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, And actually that point that Jordren just made
is a really valid one. So we've all been talked
into and the technology has now meant that virtually everything
is payWave. So then what do they do. They start
touching your fees, so you know, it's almost maca alian.
They've said it up so that they have well that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, but don't don't blame them. Don't blame the merchants.
You know they have the consumers.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
No, No, I'm not at all. No, it's the banks
and the credit cards.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The question is what's the solution, And we can take
a heavy handed regulatory approach. I think a better solution
would actually just be more competition in the area. Open
this stuff up to non bank competition. That's where it's
you know, that's where a lot of the these fintech
startups are having alternatives.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
What do you reckon Allie? Is going on with Darlene Tanner?
Has she got balls or does she just need the money?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
No, I don't want to say this, but I think
she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown reading some
of the stuff in the media this afternoon. No, seriously,
some of the stuff she said sounded really weird. Well
what she made some comments about how she identifies they
and them, and it was totally out of context. In
the interview, she talked about how long she'd been married,
(02:58):
and I mean it was just odd. But not getting
back to the whole issue, it's quite incredible that she's there.
You know, she got into Parliament as a list MP
or an electorate MP. She has got no mandate other
than the Green Party position and policies, and she's no
longer in the Green Party. She needs to go I
think she should be arrested for trespass.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Jeez, Allie, you're becoming true of Mallard as we speak. Jordan,
I what you'll take on it when we come back
from the break.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
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and results.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Allie Jones. Right, Jordan,
what do you think of Darline Tanna being there?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, we've been jumping up and down for months saying
she should. You know, we pay her quite handsomely to
be an MP. She should turn up to work. Yes,
she should resign, but she's clearly not going to. And
that's yet another example of political parties selecting candidates that
are either will suited to be MP's or frankly have
(03:56):
low opportunity cost of time. So when they've come to
scot of course I don't resign. This will be the
best paid jobs she ever had.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Do you reckon they are they going to pull the
waker jumping legislation.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I don't. I don't know, but but I don't want
this to justify saying we should have a walker jumping regime.
It is I get that you know, these are just
list MP's and they get in off the coattails of
the party and all of that is true. However, you
can't have a situation. You know that one of the
presiding MP's you have all these party apparachis if they
(04:30):
are able to be effectively sacked by the party high
leaders up high? What the hell's the points agreed? Entire
even just give party leaders voting cards and you know
on that. You know, we have a House of representatives.
We pay them to have their own judgment. Yep, she's
worn out with the party and frankly the Greens that
(04:50):
appears quite right to kick her out. Yes, she should resign,
but it all comes back to if you're heading peas
with that actually had you know candidate jobs out of
parliament the clothes?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, oh too right allie, now listen, how do you
feel about Chris lux and dropping his Tuesday afternoon media opportunity.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
It's really unnecessary for him to do that. I think
it's creating a perception that he doesn't want to speak
to the media and buy by association New Zealanders. And
that's I'll say it's unnecessary because you know it's five
minutes it's five minutes on a walk to the debating chamber.
It's no baggie and it's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Not five minutes. It's not fine that that's that is
like factually impossible. It might be five.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Minutes of black and white, it might.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Be fave minutes. It might be five minutes that he's there,
but the briefing that he has to go through beforehand
will be far longer than five minutes. It's a hell
of a lot of work to get ready for that.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh well, I thought he was actually just walking and
being like, it will be brief, because everyone's brief before
he goes into the everyone will be briefing him before
he goes into the debating chamber. But I thought that
it was just removing essentially a five minute chat to
the media outside. He's got to be out. Was it
for going into the debating chamber? Well, I don't understand
why he would drop it for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What do you reckon, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, and two minds about this. It's not really good luck,
but it's sort of a memesis. The greatest respect to
your profession here to sort of journalists, our own self importance.
The real debate is in the chamber where he gets
questioned by the leader of the opposition. It will mean
that the media focus, possibly quite rightly, will be more
on that on the Tuesdays rather than the agenda that
(06:29):
they particularly want to run.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeh yeah, although so I agree, I agree with Jordann
on this, But Ali, I think you do make a
good point, right, which is that the perception is never
a good one if you start removing media access and
it's not the first thing that he's done, because you
also roll back on the post cabinet press conferences during
recess weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, Longie, this precedent was really set by Halen Clark.
She was much more I mean John Key followed, It
was much much, much more open. Certainly you go back
and Bulger or long did not have the sort of
access that we're used to getting on both caucus runs
(07:07):
and the run into.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The chamber maybe twenty five minutes.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But my point is that this losingness is just not
worth the pushback that he's getting. I mean, as I said,
it's creating the perception that he doesn't want to talk
to media, and I just don't.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Think it's worth it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
If he wants to get rid of one of them
get rid of one of the other ones that really
does chunk into his day. But I just think this
was a no brainer, silly thing to do.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, Ali, do you reckon? There's much sympathy for the
press Gallery at the moment, though.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Excuse me, I don't think people think about it, whether
I think maybe you do, or I do, or Jordan's does,
or others that follow the media. But you know, how
many people actually know what the press gallery is for
a start. But that's a really hard question to answer
because I see it differently to I think the way
the majority of New Zealanders would.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That's fair enough. That is fair enough. Guys, listen, it's
really good to talk to the pair of you really
appreciate it. Is Alie Jones of red pr and Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive listen live and
used book said be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle of this this evening, Allie Jones read
PR Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hello you too, grehead? Hi Ali?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Do you use payWave?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Well no, I've started not to and carrying cash around
with me. How sad is that you packing machine? No
I use coins, or I don't park there, or I
take the risk. Seriously, I will not pay those fees,
I am. I'm a communtion with it. I mean, even
if you go to use your debit card, which is
your own bloody money for a start, sometimes before you
(00:37):
can do the swipe, it does the Zeppi thing. So no,
I carry cash around with me and will not pay
the fees.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yees, you got on yet? Got on yet?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Jordan? I resent paying it. We used to have the
zero merchant fees FOSS system was the best in the world.
The bank hated it the well actually the banks that
might have didn't have to cover cash hand fees that
was their benefit. Who hated it were the big card switches, which,
of course of now getting their way because we're all
(01:06):
moving to payWave and and shipping off hundreds of millions,
so we get nothing in return di Visa and MasterCard.
But of course the banks now get a kickback on it,
so they see a new revenue stream. I think it's terrible.
I resent it.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What's the pick back that the banks get.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well, the banks get fees on them.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So you're getting you're getting the master and fee know.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
That yet, Yeah, and they get a kickback from the
big credit card switches, so that they said, it's new
revenue for them, which is why we're all getting encouraged
to get debit cards with paywaves.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, okay, Elie, I'm here for the crackdown, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah. Absolutely, And actually that point that Jordren just made
is a really valid one. So we've all been talked
into and the technology has now meant that virtually everything
is payWave. So then what do they do. They start
touching your fees, so you know, it's almost maca alian.
They've said it up so that they have well that's true.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, but don't don't blame them. Don't blame the merchants.
You know they have the consumers.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
No, No, I'm not at all. No, it's the banks
and the credit cards.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
The question is what's the solution, And we can take
a heavy handed regulatory approach. I think a better solution
would actually just be more competition in the area. Open
this stuff up to non bank competition. That's where it's
you know, that's where a lot of the these fintech
startups are having alternatives.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
What do you reckon Allie? Is going on with Darlene Tanner?
Has she got balls or does she just need the money?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
No, I don't want to say this, but I think
she's on the verge of a nervous breakdown reading some
of the stuff in the media this afternoon. No, seriously,
some of the stuff she said sounded really weird. Well
what she made some comments about how she identifies they
and them, and it was totally out of context. In
the interview, she talked about how long she'd been married,
(02:58):
and I mean it was just odd. But not getting
back to the whole issue, it's quite incredible that she's there.
You know, she got into Parliament as a list MP
or an electorate MP. She has got no mandate other
than the Green Party position and policies, and she's no
longer in the Green Party. She needs to go I
think she should be arrested for trespass.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Jeez, Allie, you're becoming true of Mallard as we speak. Jordan,
I what you'll take on it when we come back
from the break.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Jordan Williams and Allie Jones. Right, Jordan,
what do you think of Darline Tanna being there?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Well, we've been jumping up and down for months saying
she should. You know, we pay her quite handsomely to
be an MP. She should turn up to work. Yes,
she should resign, but she's clearly not going to. And
that's yet another example of political parties selecting candidates that
are either will suited to be MP's or frankly have
(03:56):
low opportunity cost of time. So when they've come to
scot of course I don't resign. This will be the
best paid jobs she ever had.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Do you reckon they are they going to pull the
waker jumping legislation.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I don't. I don't know, but but I don't want
this to justify saying we should have a walker jumping regime.
It is I get that you know, these are just
list MP's and they get in off the coattails of
the party and all of that is true. However, you
can't have a situation. You know that one of the
presiding MP's you have all these party apparachis if they
(04:30):
are able to be effectively sacked by the party high
leaders up high? What the hell's the points agreed? Entire
even just give party leaders voting cards and you know
on that. You know, we have a House of representatives.
We pay them to have their own judgment. Yep, she's
worn out with the party and frankly the Greens that
(04:50):
appears quite right to kick her out. Yes, she should resign,
but it all comes back to if you're heading peas
with that actually had you know candidate jobs out of
parliament the clothes?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, oh too right allie, now listen, how do you
feel about Chris lux and dropping his Tuesday afternoon media opportunity.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
It's really unnecessary for him to do that. I think
it's creating a perception that he doesn't want to speak
to the media and buy by association New Zealanders. And
that's I'll say it's unnecessary because you know it's five
minutes it's five minutes on a walk to the debating chamber.
It's no baggie and it's.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Not five minutes. It's not fine that that's that is
like factually impossible. It might be five.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Minutes of black and white, it might.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Be fave minutes. It might be five minutes that he's there,
but the briefing that he has to go through beforehand
will be far longer than five minutes. It's a hell
of a lot of work to get ready for that.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh well, I thought he was actually just walking and
being like, it will be brief, because everyone's brief before
he goes into the everyone will be briefing him before
he goes into the debating chamber. But I thought that
it was just removing essentially a five minute chat to
the media outside. He's got to be out. Was it
for going into the debating chamber? Well, I don't understand
why he would drop it for five minutes.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
What do you reckon, Jordan?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, and two minds about this. It's not really good luck,
but it's sort of a memesis. The greatest respect to
your profession here to sort of journalists, our own self importance.
The real debate is in the chamber where he gets
questioned by the leader of the opposition. It will mean
that the media focus, possibly quite rightly, will be more
on that on the Tuesdays rather than the agenda that
(06:29):
they particularly want to run.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeh yeah, although so I agree, I agree with Jordann
on this, But Ali, I think you do make a
good point, right, which is that the perception is never
a good one if you start removing media access and
it's not the first thing that he's done, because you
also roll back on the post cabinet press conferences during
recess weeks.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, Longie, this precedent was really set by Halen Clark.
She was much more I mean John Key followed, It
was much much, much more open. Certainly you go back
and Bulger or long did not have the sort of
access that we're used to getting on both caucus runs
(07:07):
and the run into.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
The chamber maybe twenty five minutes.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
But my point is that this losingness is just not
worth the pushback that he's getting. I mean, as I said,
it's creating the perception that he doesn't want to talk
to media, and I just don't.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Think it's worth it.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
If he wants to get rid of one of them
get rid of one of the other ones that really
does chunk into his day. But I just think this
was a no brainer, silly thing to do.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, Ali, do you reckon? There's much sympathy for the
press Gallery at the moment, though.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Excuse me, I don't think people think about it, whether
I think maybe you do, or I do, or Jordan's does,
or others that follow the media. But you know, how
many people actually know what the press gallery is for
a start. But that's a really hard question to answer
because I see it differently to I think the way
the majority of New Zealanders would.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That's fair enough. That is fair enough. Guys, listen, it's
really good to talk to the pair of you really
appreciate it. Is Alie Jones of red pr and Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive listen live and
used book said be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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