July 24, 2024 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Paddy Gower and David Farrar from Kiwiblog joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
A harrowing report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into historic abuse and neglect of New Zealanders in state and faith institutions has been branded a 'national disgrace'. What do we make of this?
A new report has revealed Health NZ is encouraging staff to incorporate Karakia - or prayer - into their work. Does this need to go?
Trump's VP JD Vance has been taking digs at Kamala Harris over her lack of biological children. Is this a serious political strategy?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm huddle with us this evening. We've got David Farrer
of Kiwi Blog and Patty Gower journalists.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Tell her you too, Hello, Hello David.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't think I can bring myself to this to
read this report into what's happened to these because it's
just too sad. Are you going to.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I don't know, but it made me reflect. I find
it hard to read the stories about Yeah, let alone
the report, but then think about the people who lived
through this and spent twenty years of to be blunt
cover ups and denial the I think we are it
to them to try it, But like at some stage
(00:41):
I want to go to outswitch. Not because it will
be in any way a nice thing to do, but
when terrible things have happened, I think we do have
to force ourselves to confront them. Yeah, what are you reckon?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, I'm actually reading it now. I've had tears in
my eyes just reading the part about the way that
some deaf deaf people were treated in care, just just
one tiny, tiny bit, just terrible to think that people
who were born deaf were treated like that. Unmarked graves.
(01:15):
I did not know about the number of unmarked graves
that we've got around these There's not a number on it.
They're calling for an inquirer on it, but it sounds
like there's a lot of people buried in unmarked graves
around these places. I had never heard of that, and
you know that that is something that's that's really frightening.
(01:37):
They mentioned the Porrua mental hospital. I walk up around
there with my dog sometimes there's obviously make unmarked graves
up around there. So yeah, it's incredibly harrowing. And for
me personally as a Catholic, I'm ashamed by by what
I read in here about what the priests have done
(01:57):
to my fellow Catholics and the church that I'm out of.
I'm bigly, deeply ashamed by what I'm reading in here.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, you know, David, I mean some of the stuff
that's in this report feels so archaic, right, you know,
like electric shocking kids with like the electrodes attached to
their genitols and stripping them off in the middle of
the night and making them stand outside naked while you
hose them down, and putting them in solitary confinement for hours,
if not weeks in some cases on end. But I
(02:25):
wonder how much of the stuff is still actually going on.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I would hope none, but some is stuff that happened
one hundred years ago. This happened after I was born.
This isn't the deep distant past. And yeah, some of
the stuff on the ect it was done without seedy
tip that was done to punish, not cure. Kids were
(02:49):
given injections as a form of punishment because they would hurt.
It is unthinkable, but happened. And one of the big
challenge for the government and its response, and there a
Cassander's leading there is how do we ensure it doesn't
happen again, because we do need to have that assurance,
(03:10):
can you.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Though, Paddy, Because at the heart of it, right, this
is not I mean, this is basically bad people and
bad people will find other people to do mean things
to and I don't how do you ever get rid
of that.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well, decent systems can out bad people, and we just
did not have those systems in the state or in
our religious institutions. I mean, looking at this, fourteen percent
of clergy, so fourteen percent of priests have had allegations
against and that's basically well, it's over one in ten.
So if you're someone like me, you know you had
(03:43):
a one in ten chance of coming into contact with
some sort of abuser while you were within the Catholic system.
You know that is shocking. You're you know, you are
dicing with abuse literally, and I'm lucky, and I count
myself lucky actually when you read this, to get out
of a Catholic life without can you abused? And you know,
one of the most harrowing things in here is our
(04:03):
chaps described going into prison and knowing everybody because they
were all in state care. Now, that's the sort of
thing that we've had to carry as a country. This
abuse has a cost to us, and that it's filled
up our prisons and we've got to deal with all
of that. That's that sort of cost to us as
a nation. So yeah, I think honestly that bad people
(04:25):
will do bad things to other people. But it's a
lot easier when you've got a system where you're enabled
to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, and we you rooted out David. Here's the thing, right,
one of the recommendations is shut down ordering a tamriiqi altogether.
If we do go down that path and we shut
it down, what do we replace it with, because we
still have to have some sort of a system to
take kids away from parents who smash them.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I think the state's role should be regulat tree
and quality and checking this doesn't happen. The trouble all
came because, of course the same people meant to be
checking up where the ones running it. So I would
happily those that part of them down and have instead
(05:04):
the government focus on licensing community providers, salvation army, religions.
You know, as long as you've got that independent checks
for qualities where inspectors can go in at the stays.
But look, I've been involved in politics for twenty five
duty years. I think every three years there's a review
(05:27):
of what used to be ships or CYF or it's
had ten different names, that's had ten reviews, and we
just haven't got to where we need to be. So
I think it is time to say, maybe the government
can be good at something, but actually looking after the
most vulnerable isn't one of them.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
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Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Patty Gower David Farah, Patty,
what do you reckon Should public servants be doing prayers
as part of their daily routine.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well, if it's talking about katakia, they aren't prayers for status.
Kadakia is not a prayer, yes it is. No, it's not.
It is not a prayer, No, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's literally.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
A kadakia is different from a prayer. It's not the
mighty word for prayer. You don't get on Google and
check it out.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And I learned the language to explain to me how
it's different.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's it's it's like a prayer. You're not praying to
God or anything. You know, You're you're sort of saying, hey,
thanks to the youth's unseen sky.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You're praying to the earth. It's a prayer.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm not praying when I do a kadakia, i am
not praying. I'm doing a kadakir. And I'm chill with it.
And do you know, do you know what I think
us talking about it is actually a bit of a
waste of time. The problems in the health system. I
couldn't get a doctor's appointment the other day, and that's
not because people are doing kadakia. That's because we don't
have enough GPS. The reason that we have got a
(06:58):
short for four thousand nurses is not because someone is
doing a cudakia somewhere. This guy, Todd Stephenson from the
ACT Party should actually give up on this and go
to Parliament and do some work.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Patty would actually do some work.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I did a google like you told me to Katakia
in Wikipedia. In Marii religion, katakia are ritually used to
cleanse the homes of the deceased. And then the next
head is the University of Otago. Katakia are prayers. The
next one as the Taka Maldi dictionary, which is my
go to as you know, like a bit of a
(07:31):
dodgy speaker. Katakia verb to recite ritual chance, say grace, prayer,
recite a prayer. Next one katakia Kadakia are prayers. Next
one Menicaw Institute of Technology. Cutakia are prayers. What are
you talking about, Patty? You can't rewrite what the facts are.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No, I just don't think of it as a prayer.
It can be used to describe it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, what you think of it? As you're ringing me
some Donald Trump alternative facts here.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Oh, I don't give you an alternative thing.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I don't think of it as a prayer. I'm not
praying through a religious species.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, I don't think of you as a human being,
but you are it anyway, David.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Carry Well, I should just point out with your site
in Wikipedia there I used to to win argument, would
go to the Wikipedia on my phone editor to reflect
what high asserted, and then say, let's go check Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's only available to people like you who understand technology,
not the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Look, Petties, writer, is not the most major issue, but
it's clearly spiritual. It's saying we believe there is a
spirit of the earth, a spirit of the air. Two
and well, it's not the biggest issue. Is an appropriate
for a secular public service? And yes, I also think
the parliamentary creation should be changed free. I think it
was ridiculous we had Muslim MP's having to sit there
(08:48):
around Jesus Christ was sighted than the house for example.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah not cool, okay, Patty, Then tell me what your
weird takers today on JD Vance's Childless crack at Kamala.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Harris, Well, it's a dick and yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You've redeemed yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Am I track?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Track, if we got there, we got petty back.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
On track, You're forgiven. Yes, it is a dick.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Do you think I malfunctioned before? Do you think there
was a Do you think there was a glitch.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
In the teaching?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know what I mean? What I reckon happen to
you is that you know full well what the right
answer is, but you put yourself through the Wokester machine
and you had to do some mental contortions.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Do you think I got out of the work side of.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Being I think you're terrified of not landing a job
at AAR and Z. And if they hear that you
say this stuff, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I'm not going to get a jump on with that
last back, Am I I ruled myself? I think I
ruled myself out for years of This might be my
last title. This is the last tittle.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But you've redeemed yourself with the second comment, David, you
get a crack at it.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now we're allowed to agree disagree with Heather. Actually, it's
not like that's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
The secret rule of fight club. You are which don't
try to encourage it well with.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Jade Evans to defend them slightly. I believe he said
it three four years ago before he was Ema a senator.
But Republicans are in pole position. They should win, but
anything will take them down. It's the overconfidence there, sneering,
derisory remarks about Kamala Harris at will allow her to
(10:43):
turn it into a referendum on woman's issues. So he
didn't say it your last and became the presdential nominee.
That they've dug it up. But they do have to
be very careful because I think they think after the convention,
the shooting and Biden I've been obviously see now that
it was home and home. Yeah, and it's now competition.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, they do have to be a bit careful.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It is so good to talk to you. Thank you
so much. Thank you Patty for tolerating me. That's Patty Gower.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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for every property.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm huddle with us this evening. We've got David Farrer
of Kiwi Blog and Patty Gower journalists.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Tell her you too, Hello, Hello David.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I don't think I can bring myself to this to
read this report into what's happened to these because it's
just too sad. Are you going to.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I don't know, but it made me reflect. I find
it hard to read the stories about Yeah, let alone
the report, but then think about the people who lived
through this and spent twenty years of to be blunt
cover ups and denial the I think we are it
to them to try it, But like at some stage
(00:41):
I want to go to outswitch. Not because it will
be in any way a nice thing to do, but
when terrible things have happened, I think we do have
to force ourselves to confront them. Yeah, what are you reckon?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah, I'm actually reading it now. I've had tears in
my eyes just reading the part about the way that
some deaf deaf people were treated in care, just just
one tiny, tiny bit, just terrible to think that people
who were born deaf were treated like that. Unmarked graves.
(01:15):
I did not know about the number of unmarked graves
that we've got around these There's not a number on it.
They're calling for an inquirer on it, but it sounds
like there's a lot of people buried in unmarked graves
around these places. I had never heard of that, and
you know that that is something that's that's really frightening.
(01:37):
They mentioned the Porrua mental hospital. I walk up around
there with my dog sometimes there's obviously make unmarked graves
up around there. So yeah, it's incredibly harrowing. And for
me personally as a Catholic, I'm ashamed by by what
I read in here about what the priests have done
(01:57):
to my fellow Catholics and the church that I'm out of.
I'm bigly, deeply ashamed by what I'm reading in here.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, you know, David, I mean some of the stuff
that's in this report feels so archaic, right, you know,
like electric shocking kids with like the electrodes attached to
their genitols and stripping them off in the middle of
the night and making them stand outside naked while you
hose them down, and putting them in solitary confinement for hours,
if not weeks in some cases on end. But I
(02:25):
wonder how much of the stuff is still actually going on.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I would hope none, but some is stuff that happened
one hundred years ago. This happened after I was born.
This isn't the deep distant past. And yeah, some of
the stuff on the ect it was done without seedy
tip that was done to punish, not cure. Kids were
(02:49):
given injections as a form of punishment because they would hurt.
It is unthinkable, but happened. And one of the big
challenge for the government and its response, and there a
Cassander's leading there is how do we ensure it doesn't
happen again, because we do need to have that assurance,
(03:10):
can you.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Though, Paddy, Because at the heart of it, right, this
is not I mean, this is basically bad people and
bad people will find other people to do mean things
to and I don't how do you ever get rid
of that.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Well, decent systems can out bad people, and we just
did not have those systems in the state or in
our religious institutions. I mean, looking at this, fourteen percent
of clergy, so fourteen percent of priests have had allegations
against and that's basically well, it's over one in ten.
So if you're someone like me, you know you had
(03:43):
a one in ten chance of coming into contact with
some sort of abuser while you were within the Catholic system.
You know that is shocking. You're you know, you are
dicing with abuse literally, and I'm lucky, and I count
myself lucky actually when you read this, to get out
of a Catholic life without can you abused? And you know,
one of the most harrowing things in here is our
(04:03):
chaps described going into prison and knowing everybody because they
were all in state care. Now, that's the sort of
thing that we've had to carry as a country. This
abuse has a cost to us, and that it's filled
up our prisons and we've got to deal with all
of that. That's that sort of cost to us as
a nation. So yeah, I think honestly that bad people
(04:25):
will do bad things to other people. But it's a
lot easier when you've got a system where you're enabled
to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, and we you rooted out David. Here's the thing, right,
one of the recommendations is shut down ordering a tamriiqi altogether.
If we do go down that path and we shut
it down, what do we replace it with, because we
still have to have some sort of a system to
take kids away from parents who smash them.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I think the state's role should be regulat tree
and quality and checking this doesn't happen. The trouble all
came because, of course the same people meant to be
checking up where the ones running it. So I would
happily those that part of them down and have instead
(05:04):
the government focus on licensing community providers, salvation army, religions.
You know, as long as you've got that independent checks
for qualities where inspectors can go in at the stays.
But look, I've been involved in politics for twenty five
duty years. I think every three years there's a review
(05:27):
of what used to be ships or CYF or it's
had ten different names, that's had ten reviews, and we
just haven't got to where we need to be. So
I think it is time to say, maybe the government
can be good at something, but actually looking after the
most vulnerable isn't one of them.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Patty Gower David Farah, Patty,
what do you reckon Should public servants be doing prayers
as part of their daily routine.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Well, if it's talking about katakia, they aren't prayers for status.
Kadakia is not a prayer, yes it is. No, it's not.
It is not a prayer, No, it isn't.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's literally.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
A kadakia is different from a prayer. It's not the
mighty word for prayer. You don't get on Google and
check it out.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And I learned the language to explain to me how
it's different.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
It's it's it's like a prayer. You're not praying to
God or anything. You know, You're you're sort of saying, hey,
thanks to the youth's unseen sky.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You're praying to the earth. It's a prayer.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm not praying when I do a kadakia, i am
not praying. I'm doing a kadakir. And I'm chill with it.
And do you know, do you know what I think
us talking about it is actually a bit of a
waste of time. The problems in the health system. I
couldn't get a doctor's appointment the other day, and that's
not because people are doing kadakia. That's because we don't
have enough GPS. The reason that we have got a
(06:58):
short for four thousand nurses is not because someone is
doing a cudakia somewhere. This guy, Todd Stephenson from the
ACT Party should actually give up on this and go
to Parliament and do some work.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Patty would actually do some work.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I did a google like you told me to Katakia
in Wikipedia. In Marii religion, katakia are ritually used to
cleanse the homes of the deceased. And then the next
head is the University of Otago. Katakia are prayers. The
next one as the Taka Maldi dictionary, which is my
go to as you know, like a bit of a
(07:31):
dodgy speaker. Katakia verb to recite ritual chance, say grace, prayer,
recite a prayer. Next one katakia Kadakia are prayers. Next
one Menicaw Institute of Technology. Cutakia are prayers. What are
you talking about, Patty? You can't rewrite what the facts are.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
No, I just don't think of it as a prayer.
It can be used to describe it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Okay, what you think of it? As you're ringing me
some Donald Trump alternative facts here.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Oh, I don't give you an alternative thing.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
I don't think of it as a prayer. I'm not
praying through a religious species.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well, I don't think of you as a human being,
but you are it anyway, David.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Carry Well, I should just point out with your site
in Wikipedia there I used to to win argument, would
go to the Wikipedia on my phone editor to reflect
what high asserted, and then say, let's go check Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
That's only available to people like you who understand technology,
not the rest of us.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Look, Petties, writer, is not the most major issue, but
it's clearly spiritual. It's saying we believe there is a
spirit of the earth, a spirit of the air. Two
and well, it's not the biggest issue. Is an appropriate
for a secular public service? And yes, I also think
the parliamentary creation should be changed free. I think it
was ridiculous we had Muslim MP's having to sit there
(08:48):
around Jesus Christ was sighted than the house for example.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah not cool, okay, Patty, Then tell me what your
weird takers today on JD Vance's Childless crack at Kamala.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Harris, Well, it's a dick and yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
You've redeemed yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Am I track?
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Track, if we got there, we got petty back.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
On track, You're forgiven. Yes, it is a dick.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Do you think I malfunctioned before? Do you think there
was a Do you think there was a glitch.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
In the teaching?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know what I mean? What I reckon happen to
you is that you know full well what the right
answer is, but you put yourself through the Wokester machine
and you had to do some mental contortions.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Do you think I got out of the work side of.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Being I think you're terrified of not landing a job
at AAR and Z. And if they hear that you
say this stuff, you're not going to get it.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I'm not going to get a jump on with that
last back, Am I I ruled myself? I think I
ruled myself out for years of This might be my
last title. This is the last tittle.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But you've redeemed yourself with the second comment, David, you
get a crack at it.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Now we're allowed to agree disagree with Heather. Actually, it's
not like that's.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
The secret rule of fight club. You are which don't
try to encourage it well with.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Jade Evans to defend them slightly. I believe he said
it three four years ago before he was Ema a senator.
But Republicans are in pole position. They should win, but
anything will take them down. It's the overconfidence there, sneering,
derisory remarks about Kamala Harris at will allow her to
(10:43):
turn it into a referendum on woman's issues. So he
didn't say it your last and became the presdential nominee.
That they've dug it up. But they do have to
be very careful because I think they think after the convention,
the shooting and Biden I've been obviously see now that
it was home and home. Yeah, and it's now competition.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, they do have to be a bit careful.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It is so good to talk to you. Thank you
so much. Thank you Patty for tolerating me. That's Patty Gower.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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