The Green Party's discipline of Julie Anne Genter's come into question, compared with the departure of Darleen Tana and Elizabeth Kerekere last year.
Genter's been forced to apologise to the House, after crossing the floor in May and yelling in the face of a National Minister.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper predicted Genter wouldn't receive much punishment in the first place.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, you're almost forgotten your mic button.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Entry just geting. But I was also looking at your
smiling face and going, thank goodness, you're back. Thank you
are you, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm very well indeed, thank you. Now.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Ethnicity Priority list, the list that prioritizes treatment on
the base of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand
and I ever existing. Well, look at that that list disappeared.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, isn't it interesting that you remember the bombshell that
was dropped about this time last year. It caused all
sorts of friction, not just from the public's point of view,
but certainly within the political system as well. A review
that's just out today and that was carried out by
Health New Zealand said that it was legally and ethically
(00:44):
justifiable but didn't follow best practice. Well you can't. You
can't justify any waiting list based on ethnicity. And I
got it from the medics. I got basically the list
showing me that if you were Mali or Pacifica you
would take a much higher place on the list than
(01:05):
if you were Pakia, or Indian or Chinese or any
other ethors.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've seen the list. There's like twenty different ethnicities and
they're ranked one to twenty. Yeah, you know that's our list.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, I know, and it's to me, it was reprehensible
and it's nice to see a good conclusion to the story.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
At the time, you'll remember that National and Act they
both strongly opposed prioritization being given on ethnic grounds. David Seymour.
He went further. He said that the government treats New
Zealanders differently depending on who their ancestors are, and that
seemed to be true. But I'll tell you what this
(01:43):
was the then Minister of Aisha Verraal's defense of the
policy when she spoke to here the last June.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What I am not okay with as the fact that
we know those very long later as people who are
Mary Pacific.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
If you're okay with me, if you're okay with your policy,
you're okay with it. Say that you're okay. So you
are okay that a sixty two year old marty man
who was waiting a shorter period for surgery got it
ahead of a woman who's fourteen years older and waited
two weeks longer because she's Pakiha, you're okay with that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I am. I am not Okay, with the fact that
it has there is clear evidence that we don't get
the same surgical access for people from the country. For
Marti and Pacific a teaminal.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You don't sound like you even believe in your own policy.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And they need to turn it around. No, look, I
am happy with the policy.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well there you go. But I'll tell you what a
spokesman from Health New Zealand he said today that they're
looking at the possibility of adopting a new prioritization que
for the whole health systems, but no decisions have been made.
We'll tell you what I can make the decision for them.
Just base it on need. That's what the surgeons believe,
(02:51):
and just base it on need. If you need healthcare,
you need it, regardless of what ethnicity you come from.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Absolutely, okay, we've got discipline disciplined for Julianne Jenta, Well,
is it disciplined or not? It's not really as well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.
And I must say I said at the time Andrew
hate to be was proven right, But I said that's
exactly what she would get. Now the Privileges Committee met
and you'll remember the antics of her rushing across the
house to Matt Doocey, waving paper in front of his face,
almost spitting in his face as she leaned towards him. Now,
(03:27):
that is unprecedented in my view in parliament. The worst
that had happened up until then was a bar row
pen I think, being thrown at Jeffrey Palmer once. But
I'll tell you what in Parliament today, Jenta delivered the
part of the privilege's decision that was required of her
in the slap on the wrist with the wet bus ticket.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Is she is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I apologize unreservedly for my conduct in the House on
the evening of the first of May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's it. Let me tell you what. There are people
I've talked to in Parliament about today, and there are
people who believe that she should have not only been
censured what she has been, she should have been penalized
as well. And what they can do is suspend them
from the House saved for a week, and they suspend
their wages for a week as well. That's what should
have happened here because that was unruly in the extra.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's a red card speaking about talking to people U
from Parliament. You were talking to Jerry Browne over the
course of today, could a bit of argie bargie about
him and the pelpins and insignia and all this sort
of thing, and he's falling out with David Seymour.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is here that the point
that I think the Speaker would make is that look,
la pelpins, they're very small, they're inoffensive and you remember
John Key always wore a silver fan on his lapel. Yeah,
but that wasn't a political statement. The Act one is.
And the point that Jerry Browne made, and he makes
the rules around Parliament, is entirely within his right to
(04:54):
do that. He said political logos in Parliament should be
banned totally. Now it seems I guess penny pinching. But
you know, if you make one rule, it's got to
be abided by. And I think Act you know that
they're obviously trying to get under the Speaker's skin and
are succeeding, I think. But really it sounded draconian to
(05:16):
me that you can understand the reasons.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Why very so lovely to have you
Speaker 4 (05:21):
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Hello, you're almost forgotten your mic button.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Entry just geting. But I was also looking at your
smiling face and going, thank goodness, you're back. Thank you
are you, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm very well indeed, thank you. Now.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The Ethnicity Priority list, the list that prioritizes treatment on
the base of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand
and I ever existing. Well, look at that that list disappeared.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, isn't it interesting that you remember the bombshell that
was dropped about this time last year. It caused all
sorts of friction, not just from the public's point of view,
but certainly within the political system as well. A review
that's just out today and that was carried out by
Health New Zealand said that it was legally and ethically
(00:44):
justifiable but didn't follow best practice. Well you can't. You
can't justify any waiting list based on ethnicity. And I
got it from the medics. I got basically the list
showing me that if you were Mali or Pacifica you
would take a much higher place on the list than
(01:05):
if you were Pakia, or Indian or Chinese or any
other ethors.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've seen the list. There's like twenty different ethnicities and
they're ranked one to twenty. Yeah, you know that's our list.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, I know, and it's to me, it was reprehensible
and it's nice to see a good conclusion to the story.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
At the time, you'll remember that National and Act they
both strongly opposed prioritization being given on ethnic grounds. David Seymour.
He went further. He said that the government treats New
Zealanders differently depending on who their ancestors are, and that
seemed to be true. But I'll tell you what this
(01:43):
was the then Minister of Aisha Verraal's defense of the
policy when she spoke to here the last June.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
What I am not okay with as the fact that
we know those very long later as people who are
Mary Pacific.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
If you're okay with me, if you're okay with your policy,
you're okay with it. Say that you're okay. So you
are okay that a sixty two year old marty man
who was waiting a shorter period for surgery got it
ahead of a woman who's fourteen years older and waited
two weeks longer because she's Pakiha, you're okay with that?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I am. I am not Okay, with the fact that
it has there is clear evidence that we don't get
the same surgical access for people from the country. For
Marti and Pacific a teaminal.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
You don't sound like you even believe in your own policy.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And they need to turn it around. No, look, I
am happy with the policy.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well there you go. But I'll tell you what a
spokesman from Health New Zealand he said today that they're
looking at the possibility of adopting a new prioritization que
for the whole health systems, but no decisions have been made.
We'll tell you what I can make the decision for them.
Just base it on need. That's what the surgeons believe,
(02:51):
and just base it on need. If you need healthcare,
you need it, regardless of what ethnicity you come from.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Absolutely, okay, we've got discipline disciplined for Julianne Jenta, Well,
is it disciplined or not? It's not really as well.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
It's a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.
And I must say I said at the time Andrew
hate to be was proven right, But I said that's
exactly what she would get. Now the Privileges Committee met
and you'll remember the antics of her rushing across the
house to Matt Doocey, waving paper in front of his face,
almost spitting in his face as she leaned towards him. Now,
(03:27):
that is unprecedented in my view in parliament. The worst
that had happened up until then was a bar row
pen I think, being thrown at Jeffrey Palmer once. But
I'll tell you what in Parliament today, Jenta delivered the
part of the privilege's decision that was required of her
in the slap on the wrist with the wet bus ticket.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Is she is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I apologize unreservedly for my conduct in the House on
the evening of the first of May twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's it. Let me tell you what. There are people
I've talked to in Parliament about today, and there are
people who believe that she should have not only been
censured what she has been, she should have been penalized
as well. And what they can do is suspend them
from the House saved for a week, and they suspend
their wages for a week as well. That's what should
have happened here because that was unruly in the extra.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
It's a red card speaking about talking to people U
from Parliament. You were talking to Jerry Browne over the
course of today, could a bit of argie bargie about
him and the pelpins and insignia and all this sort
of thing, and he's falling out with David Seymour.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is here that the point
that I think the Speaker would make is that look,
la pelpins, they're very small, they're inoffensive and you remember
John Key always wore a silver fan on his lapel. Yeah,
but that wasn't a political statement. The Act one is.
And the point that Jerry Browne made, and he makes
the rules around Parliament, is entirely within his right to
(04:54):
do that. He said political logos in Parliament should be
banned totally. Now it seems I guess penny pinching. But
you know, if you make one rule, it's got to
be abided by. And I think Act you know that
they're obviously trying to get under the Speaker's skin and
are succeeding, I think. But really it sounded draconian to
(05:16):
me that you can understand the reasons.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Why very so lovely to have you
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Back for more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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