Full Show Podcast: 1 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newswakers to get the real story. It's Andrew Dickenson,
hither due to see Allen drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected news Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Said B.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's good afternoon, welcome to the program. It is the
first of August and I'm Andrew Dickins here till seven
on the program. Today the tower fell over? But who's
going to pay? The Transpower CEO? Just after five, after
his company produces a report that tells us everything except
the issue of compensation. We've got a warning that drug
runners and international gangs are about to invade this country

(00:35):
at an even higher rate than ever before. How real
and large is the threat? Chris Cahole After five and
former Olympian Eric Murray is a rowing hits finals time
and is there going to be gold on the water
of Paris? You can text me on ninety two ninety two.
You can email me Dickens at Newstalk zeb dot co
dot m zen buckle up, Let's.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Go news talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, the Health New Zealand War of world words rumbles
on time and time again. By the way, we've been
asking Shane Letti to speak with us, and time and
time again, he declines, but we'll need to talk to
the minister at some point. What's going to happen next.
All of this has brewed up over the last week,
principally because of the Prime Minister's words and then the
appointment of Leicester Levy as a commissioner replacing the board.

(01:25):
So Christopher Luxen introduced us to the infamous fourteen layers
of management comment and also said the Health New Zealand
board lacked financial literacy and had no great understanding around
cash flow analysis whatsoever. So on the fourteen layers of
management last night I asked former Chair of Health New

(01:47):
Zealand Rob Campbell if that's true, and he said, well, yeah,
of course it is. In fact, he reckons there might
be even more layers in certain areas of the business.
And then he pointed out the bleeding obvious. That's why
he was employed. The Health New Zealand was being restructured
and a board put in place was to tackle the
bloatd management and to make the organization more efficient and

(02:10):
something that does not happen overnight in something that's proving
to be very difficult. So I also asked Rob Campbell
whether the board was financially illiterate, and he said, no,
it's not. And when Mike Hoskin asked Ian Powell the
same question this morning, Ian Power reckoned that that whole
thing was scapegoating, throwing the board under the bus so
they could appoint a commissioner. Now here's the thing. A

(02:33):
board member who resigned at the beginning of this month
was Amy Adams. She is National's former finance spokesperson. Do
you think she is financially illiterate? And secondly, how do
you think she feels about the Prime Minister and his
theory about the board right now saying that they are
all financially illiterate and no understanding about cash flow? Amy Adams,

(03:00):
It's worth looking at some of the comments around when
Amy quit at the beginning of this month, and when
she quit, a number of people are Rob Campbell and
others said that a number of people on Health New
Zealand's board, including Amy, had found the approach of the
Ministry of Health and successive ministers unhelpful when it came

(03:20):
to meeting the objectives of the health system reforms. And
that is the real issue about Health New Zealand. The
Health Ministry just don't believe in the reforms, and they're
digging their heels in and they're making it hard and
they're making it wrong. So Lester Levy has his work
cut out for him. And Rob Campbell knew this, and
Amy Adams knew this. Amy Adams knew it and actually

(03:42):
quit because she was hitting her head against a brick wall. Now,
it would have been better for the Prime Minister to
have said all of this rather than just dissing the
board and telling the whole world that's stupid. But you know,
I think that's his method of operation as m O,
his modus operandi. And I've said before that he sometimes
acts like an opposition leader and he escapegoats a lot.

(04:04):
He scapegoats a former government for every ill ever in
this land, even the ones that date back to decisions
made by Key and Clark and Bolder and even Muldoon.
And he does exaggerate some problems and he's always making
out that this country is a basketcase. Now, look, we've
got big problems and most were caused by Dern and

(04:24):
Hipkins and co. But we're not a basket case. And
that sort of rhetoric is not uplifting. And I don't
think it's leadership either. It's eleven and.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
After four news Talk said b.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Excuse me, and my computer's briefly gone.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Down with the news Talk said B.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
The public are being invited to weigh in on the
End of Life Choice Act once again. The Ministry is
required to review the operation within three years of it
coming into force. So this is the time for the review.
Let's get the review happening. Do we need to make changes?
Do we not? Now? The Government will not make changes
to the Act following the review. However, individual political parties

(05:09):
can then progress changes through members' bills. So so far
since this came into place, three hundred and forty four
people have chosen a Sister Dying. This is in the
year to March. So to discuss this, I'm joined by
Dr Brian Betty, here's the Chair of General Practice, New Zealand.
Good afternoon, Brian, ood Bean Andrew, by your measure, has

(05:31):
a Sister Dying being a success so far?

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Well, certainly in the conversations I've had around this and
sort of listen to the sector, it seems to have
worked in the way it was designed to do. So
I haven't heard that there's been a big problems in
terms of what it's done, but that the way it
was designed, the way it was put into place, seems
to be working as an tender and I suppose that

(05:56):
would be my comment.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
However, some people have expressed a design to make it
better that it currently is. For instance, a lot of
rest homes won't let their clients advanced conversations about getting
into the process, and that's called organizational conscientious objection. That
sort of thing should be debated, don't you think, I.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Think around the edges of this, You're actually right, that's
where the tension will arise. So how the acts being implemented,
the safeguards around it, the restrictions that are in place,
and how that works. I'm always the intention an ability
to participate in news in Asia was always voluntary. That
was always the intention. I believe that's the way.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
It should be.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
And yeah, there are absolutely certain certain facilities for a
number of reasons, don't want to engage in that. But again,
I suppose the reason for doing a review like that
is to uncover those type of issues and to see
how this has been operating and if there are any
things there that we should be thinking about going forward and.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Surely at the heart of this whole issue is personal responsibility.
It's the ultimate personal responsibility, So it should be down
to the individual themselves rather than the organization that might
be you know, accommodating them at any one time.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I think there's a lot of there's a number of
arguments around that, both for that approach and against that approach. Again,
you know a number of practitioners, health practitioners and organizations
have taken a particular stance against euthanasia as such, and
is their right to do that. So I think this

(07:33):
is an ongoing debate, It will be an ongoing issue
as we go forward, and one that we need to
engage in. But my comment around that as well is
often the argument around that is that palliative care services
per se in this country are not fully funded or
adequately funded, and there should be equal weight into two

(07:54):
proper funded health care service and that's part of what
pluts around this as well.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Absolutely, just look at some of the issues that were
raised when we first discussed all this. Now that it
has been in place for three years, have there been
any issues with coerci?

Speaker 7 (08:14):
Look that.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Again, the reason for doing a review like that is
to pick up on any of those type of issues.
But certainly I certainly haven't come across any concerns raised
in the sector around that. So again I go back
to my original comment that the actors that was put
into place and the safeguards that were put around those,
but for reasonably rigorous in terms of what was done,
seems to be working.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
And has it had any effect on our suicide rates?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Look, I couldn't comment on those rates, Andrews, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Now at the end of the day, the government will
not make changes to the act no matter what the
review says. However, then political parties can progress changes through members' bills,
so if there were going to be any changes to
the legislation, it might take years if at all.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
That's the process that's place, if that was to happen,
and it becomes a conscious folk generally in the Parliament
because of the nature of this of euthanasia and what
actually happens the end of life, so it's a remotive
area obviously, But yeah, that is a process is in
a place, and that's what's been put in place at

(09:18):
this point.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
So I guess you could say, though, the good thing
is that the process is working quite well right now,
and there isn't an urgent need to make a change,
because even if we wanted to make a change, we
couldn't do it urgently.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Look, I think that's probably a fair summation of the
situation that it does seem to have worked in the
way it was intended. There doesn't seem to be a
huge urgency to review or change anything. So we probably
are in a reasonable space at this point.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Because Brian Betted to Brian Betty Tear of General Practice,
New Zealand, I thank you for your time. It is
now for seventeen. So a text threw from William who says,
my father in law at seventy five and my mother
in law at seventy four used the Euthanasian Bill. It
is a fantastic bill that allowed them to die with
dignity both days before they have died. Anyway, I would
love to come against the opposition to this bill and

(10:04):
have a conversation with them. Well, they won't be happening
with this review. This review is not to oppose the bill,
it's to make it better. It will continue as we
go forward. It is four seventeen. Who watched Hayden Wild
last night? My comment was it was the best movie
that Sky has ever shown. A million people watched that race.

(10:27):
What an incredible race. We've got darcyan in just a
few months time, we'll talk about that, We'll talk about
Rob Penny, We'll talk about rowing here on news talks at.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
B digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand
one giant leap for business US talks a B.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Stop talking to me while the air break's finishing. Darcy
walder Grave.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
I know when it's finishing. I can't see it. Tom
over here. I'm in the wilderness. I'm way out in
the background here. That's how big this studio is.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
A million people watched that race last night. You know,
we almost missed the crucial, crucial moment because the TV
people started focusing on the two French guys were having
a ding dong for the bronze and we're going, oh, yeah,
that's quite good. Then everyone's saying, el Hayden's got it.
Hayden's got it. And when they came back to the
front of the race, they went hold on that, you
Fellows only two meters behind, and then he was right past.

Speaker 8 (11:17):
We sound surprised that a host broadcast will focus in
tyle on their own athletes. Whow never saw that coming?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Did I?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh god, it must have been Hayden was at the end,
and then this fellow just Zoops passed. He was fifteen
seconds behind. He wins by seven. That's a hell of
a burst and four hundred meters he was.

Speaker 8 (11:35):
Running through a treacle. At the end of it was Hayden.
He was absolutely gassed. He was talking to Mike Hosking
this morning. It's just like I was just like I
had nothing, nothing, I had nothing.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
See you later, Alex.

Speaker 8 (11:47):
Though the timing of that run as sad as I
am for Hayden, wild as excited as I am for Alex.
There was a phenomenal finish. He knew exactly what he
had to do when he had to do it, and never
gave up.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Best triathd in history. Huge crowd on the side, amazing scenery,
great on the telly, I mean it's on the telly.

Speaker 9 (12:07):
The drones, the drones.

Speaker 8 (12:08):
The involvement of drones and sport of the last few
years has been amazing, especially in events like the triathon,
which takes in a lot of downtown Paris, and it
was beautiful.

Speaker 9 (12:19):
To watch, and the crowd huge.

Speaker 8 (12:21):
I'm presuming they didn't have to pay. No, that's why
there were so many people there.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
That's a trick. It was just heaving.

Speaker 8 (12:27):
It was twenty five deep.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
If we did to save it, Edon Park would always
have a full house.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Well it's a thought around the NPC to do that,
but that's another argument for another day. Why would you
do that?

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, five bucks or ten kids.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Free.

Speaker 8 (12:43):
Kids. They was getting suffered free.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
A full stadium is so much better than a full paying,
empty stadium.

Speaker 8 (12:49):
It did look brilliant, with a bit deflating, but that's
all good.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
That's what it is. That's called sport. That's why we
love it. As I say, best movie on Sky ever,
a million people watching. Rob Pennies rest with the Crusaders.

Speaker 8 (13:01):
He's not re signed, but he's not being exited stage
left like Snagglepuss. That's not happening. They've gone through a
massive review. There are fifty three work on points covering
the whole organization that two independents looked at. They presented
their findings and the Crusaders want that's okay, Robbie Stay

(13:23):
for another year, but nothing on what happens the year
after that in storm. Nothing about that. We've got next year.
We need to win entitle One thing. I do know,
I think I do know. They're not going to go
to the Northern Hemisphere at the start of the season.
That's not happening. That wasn't a great idea and that's
been proven to be insane before when the Crusaders, after

(13:43):
the city fell over, decided to go to the other
side of the world to the whole season player game
over there. They did a whole season away from home,
and the straw that broke their back was traveling to
the other side of the world. They came back and
a little light wild in the final against the Red
Stay just completely ran out Old Cook. They had nothing with.
So we'll talk with Colin Mansbridge on the program the scene. Yes,

(14:06):
we are deviating from the Olympic Games.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
Good.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
We need a breath every now and then.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Well, we got to We've got rowing tonight.

Speaker 8 (14:12):
We've got lots double skulls of the men and the women.
Metal chances means four women's four and also Twigger Macintosh
in the semi finals.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Sexts. We're talking to Eric Murray later on this program,
and I thank you for your time. Dosi water Grave
from seven tonight It's four twenty four.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Andrew Dickens on
Heather Duple see Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected and news talks.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
That'd be so when I was talking to Brian Betty
at the top of the hour about rest homes not
letting the clients advanced conversations about the End of Life
Choice Act, and I called it organizational con conscientious objection.
The restaurners don't believe in it. They won't let their
residents do it. Caroline sent me a text and said, Andrew,
at least one rest home resident I knew starved who

(15:00):
self to death deliberately because she couldn't get access to
what is provided under the eight. I think that's a
problem with the low. They are reviewing the Lord right
now now coming up after five Big Thing Transpowers released
the full investigation into how the Northern Power pylon fell
over back in June. It found because of insufficient supervision
of an inexperienced worker, too many bolts were removed from

(15:21):
the tower, causing it to topple over. Well, we knew that.
Most of it's knew that as soon as we saw
the photos. But what's important about this report is what's
not in it, because it doesn't talk about compensation at all,
and who should pay compensation to all the northern businesses
who had to close up shop because some kid unsupervised
under too many volts? Now, just thinking about it, does

(15:44):
the blame lie with the contractors who were engaged to
do the maintenance? Now they're called Omixom and they're actually
owned by a big company overseas that's worth five billion euros,
so they've got money. But they were doing the work.
They're managing director at the time said we don't let
and experienced people work on the network. Excuse me, and

(16:05):
experienced people worked on the network. Mate. So should onix
On pay north than sixty million dollars or should Transpower
own it because the buck stops at the top and
a contractor is employed to represent the company which is Transpower,
or do they own nothing at all? This is a
very juicy debate. What do you think should happen? You
could text me ninety two ninety two small charge applies

(16:27):
ninety two ninety two, and we'll talk about this with
the Transpower CEO. Just after the five o'clock news.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
M the day's newsmakers talk to Andrew first.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Andrew Dickens on hither do for see Allen drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected news talk as it'd be.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Welcome back. It is the first of August. Heather's back
on Monday. She's on leave right now, all right. Compensation
for Northland after the falling down pylon, which, by the way,
I'm reminded the pylon was in Auckland's region and not
in Northland, but boy did it affect Northend. It's thought
that sixty million dollars worth the business was lost, So
who should pay that? Who should pay some compensations? So

(17:20):
Barbara reckons it must be part of the contracting agreement
that the contractors should have and would have public liability
insurance of X million dollars to cover such an incident.
And you'd think, all right. Here is a different point
of view, though, my Texter a name says common sense
should prevail. If we start charging power companies ridiculous amounts

(17:42):
for power disruptions, all that will happen is that Power
prices go up to cover whatever insurance they will, so
in a way, you know, you know you, yeah, you're
cutting off your nose despite your face if if you
go them for the compensation. So where do you stand?
And we'll talk to the Transpower CEO after Now. Remember
the Ethnicity Priority List, the list that prioritize treatment on

(18:06):
the basis of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand
denied even existed. Well, the list that did exist has
now disappeared. And the man who broke that story is
our political journalist at large, BARRISOPA. And Barrisoper is back
today and BARRISOPA will back with us in ten minutes

(18:27):
time to talk about the Ethnicity Priority List, which is
no more. It's twenty two to five.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
It's the world wires on us dogs.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It'd be drive to the UK first day. Seventeen year
old has been charged with murder and attempted murder in
connection with the mass stabbing in Southport, Wales. Here is
the Merseyside Police Chief Constable. And we'll get to the

(19:04):
that story maybe a bit later. We'll go to the
United States of America right now and former President Donald
Trump and he's been talking about Vice President Kamala Harris today,
she was always.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
Of Indian heritage and she was only promoting Indian heritage.
I didn't know she was black until a number of
years ago when she happened to turn black. And now
she wants to be known as black. So I don't
know is she Indian or.

Speaker 8 (19:28):
Is she black?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
She has always.

Speaker 11 (19:31):
Black college I respect either one, but she obviously.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Doesn't all right to bring on the birth certificate. Vice
President Harris, though, has this response.

Speaker 12 (19:39):
We all here remember what those four years were like,
and today we were given yet another reminder the divisiveness
and the disrespect. And let me just say, the American
people deserve better.

Speaker 13 (19:57):
And finally see he suffer from short term memory loss.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
Short term memory loss.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
I don't believe this. No, it's true.

Speaker 14 (20:06):
I forget things almost instantly.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Runs to my family, yes away. An Australian professor has
disproved the myth that goldfish have terrible memories. Professor Callum
Brown taught a bunch of goldfish. How do you teach
a bunch of goldfish? Anyway? He taught a bunch of
goldfish how to escape a net. He found that they
could still remember how to do it eleven months later

(20:31):
and he says that any animal that actually had the
terrible memory that goldfish are reported to have would go
pretty extinct pretty quickly. So that's actually logic, that's thinking
right right there.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
At twenty five International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance
Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Murray Old Joyce's he muzz.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
And we good, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
All right, this is a bit concerning. Australians have been
told to get out of Lebanon.

Speaker 15 (21:01):
Sure have that's right.

Speaker 16 (21:02):
Look, there's a quarter million Australians who were either born
there or who are descended from Lebanese migrants to Australia,
and a lot of them have family and at any
given part of the year there's going to be thousands
and thousands of Australians Lebanese Australians visiting Lebanon.

Speaker 15 (21:18):
So it's extremely serious.

Speaker 16 (21:20):
Penny Wong made that point. She's the Foreign Minister here.
She said, get out of Lebanon while there's still commercial
flights available. That video message overnight urging Australians to basically flee.
If you can't get a plane, get on a car,
get on a highway and get out because you know
the temperature has just gone borm straight up. After the

(21:40):
death of that Hesbala commander in Lebanon, the assassination of
the Hummas leader in Iran, the government fears be Rout
airport's going to be closed down in a minute, and
so that's going to leave that unreliable land route. Even
I've forgotten about this, I was reminded this afternoon. I
heard a news car and I read a news story
about a Dunkirk style evacuation that happened back in twenty six.

(22:04):
Five thousand ozzies were taken by sea from Lebanon over
to Cyprus. So a pretty extraordinary times then, And I'll
tell you what, it's pretty scary right now.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
It just reminds you that Hebela's base was in Lebanon.
And of course you and I are both old enough
to remember that Lebanon used to be the rivi Era
of the Mediterranean, of the Arab world. It used to
was beautiful, It was a lovely place to go to.
It now, well, not so much. They found a couple
of bodies on a yacht near Sydney.

Speaker 16 (22:32):
Not sure what this is about. A couple either in
their fifties or sixties. They were on a yacht just
here in Sydney's immediate north of the Harbor Bridge. There's
a marina there, beautiful marina, lovely part of the world,
gorgeous yacht. A couple went on board on on Tuesday
night and the alarm was raised when they didn't come
off the boat. The police went there last night found

(22:55):
the couple dead man and a woman in their fifties
or sixties. We don't know at this point, nor do
we know if this is tragically a murder suicide or
was it simply a couple of deaths because maybe there's
a gas bottle leaking. We don't know, but police did
detect the smell of gas apparently when they went on board,
had to call fire and rescue in to make the
place safe, and those bodies removed this morning. We'll find

(23:17):
out more, I'm sure, either later today or tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
All Right, to the Olympics, which of course is dominating
news around the world. How's Australia going in the Olympics.

Speaker 16 (23:25):
Yeah, pretty well, a bunch of gold medals. Although the
swimming world was the Australian swimming world was upended last
night when thirty year old swede Sarah Sunstrom Sonstrom. I've
got that pronunciation right. She's thirty, she's been going to
the Olympic Games for sixteen years. She was the grandmar

(23:46):
in the field, and she won a splendid race. My goodness,
what a race by that woman. Fantastic and obliterated the
Aussie girls twenty five year old Shanda Jack and twenty
year old Molli O'Callahan. They were the fastest too qualifiers.
They finished fourth and fifth, so that was pretty big.
Also the big news here Kyle Chalmers, he's twenty six

(24:06):
years old, won the one hundred beaters gold medal freestyle
race in Rio, finished second in Tokyo, finished second again
last night to this Chinese wonder kid nineteen years old
name of pan Zan Lee. Now there's some sort of controversy,
he says, Kyle Charmers ignored him at the start of
the Olympic Games. But all these thwords are in the

(24:27):
zone if he ignored them. I mean after the race, Charmers,
he finished second and the third place get it. They
were all hugs and smiles with the young Chinese guy.
But it's the manner of the win that's got people talking.
This guy nineteen years old. He has won, he said,
a new world record, the first world record in the pool.

(24:47):
But he's won by over a second. And this isn't
a race that's determined by one hundreds of a second.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
How would you do that?

Speaker 16 (24:54):
Was a body length in front.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
How would you do that? How would you do that?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
I wonder.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
I guess it's just tru.

Speaker 16 (25:01):
Yeah, it is training. I'm not going to point the
finger at twenty three Chinese swimmers who were clear, who
are tested positive to a drug and then were cleared
by WADA, and the Chinese are swimming. Look, no one
wants to go down that path. It's a it's just
a bloody dead end. It's horrible. You want to think
that everybody is competing on a level playing field, don't we.

Speaker 8 (25:20):
We all want to think that.

Speaker 16 (25:21):
But someone going to say, gee, whiz, the New Zealand
rugby women they were on the juice.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Well, no, you don't say that.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
How dire they said, they've got hard evidence.

Speaker 16 (25:29):
But there's just so much smell around Chinese swimming that
you can't. I mean, as soon as that kid won
the race, the social media world lit up. So let's
wait and see mars.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I thank you so much, that is Murray Olds from Australia.
Berry is back with us and the story he broke
has come to an incredible conclusion. He's got the full
details next here on new stook zb.

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Speaker 9 (25:58):
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Speaker 3 (26:01):
Entry just gidding, But I was also looking at your
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Speaker 9 (26:09):
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Speaker 4 (26:10):
Now.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
The Ethnicity Priority List, the list that prioritizes treatment on
the base of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand
and I ever existing. Well, look at that that list disappeared.

Speaker 9 (26:20):
Well, isn't it interesting that you remember the bombshell that
was dropped about this time last year. It caused all
sorts of friction, not just from the public's point of view,
but certainly within the political system as well. A review
that's just out today and that was carried out by
Health New Zealand said that it was legally and ethically

(26:42):
justifiable but didn't follow best practice. Well you can't. You
can't justify any waiting list based on ethnicity. And I
got it from the medics. I got basically the list
showing me that if you were mildly or Pacific, you
would take a much higher place on the list than

(27:03):
if you were Pakia or Indian, or Chinese or any.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Other ethnicis se In the list, there's like twenty different
ethnicities and they're ranked one to twenty. You know that's
our list.

Speaker 9 (27:12):
Yeah, I know, and it's to me, it was reprehensible
and it's nice to see a good conclusion to the story.

Speaker 17 (27:19):
Now.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
At the time, you'll remember that National and Act they
both strongly opposed prioritization being given on ethnic grounds. David
Seymour he went further. He said that the government treats
New Zealanders differently depending on who their ancestors are, and
that seemed to be true. But I'll tell you what
this was the then Minister Aisha Verraal's defense of the

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policy when she spoke to here the last June.

Speaker 18 (27:47):
What I am not okay with as the fact that
we know those very long later as people who are
marty Pacific.

Speaker 13 (27:54):
If you're okay with them, if you're okay with your policy,
say you're okay with it, Say that you're okay, So
you are okay that a sixty two year old Marty
Man who was waiting a shorter period for surgery, got
it ahead of a woman who's fourteen years old and
waited two weeks longer because she's pakiher. You're okay with that,
I am.

Speaker 18 (28:10):
I am not okay with the fact that it has
There is clear evidence that we don't get the same
surgical access for people from the country for Mardi and Pacific,
the teaminals.

Speaker 13 (28:20):
You don't sound like you even believe in your own policy,
and they need.

Speaker 18 (28:23):
To turn it around. No, look, I am happy with
the policy.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
But I'll tell you what a spokesman from Health New
Zealand he said today that they're looking at the possibility
of adopting a new prioritization que for the whole health systems,
but no decisions have been made. We'll tell you what
I can make the decision for them. Just base it
on need. That's what the surgeons believe, and just base

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it on need. If you need healthcare, you need it,
regardless of what ethnicity you come from.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Absolutely, okay, we've got discipline. Discipline for Julian Jenta. Well
is it or what it's not? Really as well?

Speaker 9 (29:01):
It a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.
And I must say I said at the time Andrew
hate to be was proven right and these things, you know,
But I said, that's exactly what she would get. Now
the Privileges Committee met and you'll remember the antics of
her rushing across the house to Matt Doocey, waving paper
in front of his face, almost spitting in his face

(29:22):
as she leaned towards him. Now, that is unprecedented in
my view in Parliament. The worst that had happened up
until then was a bar roh pen I think, being
thrown at Jeffrey Palmer once. But I'll tell you what
in Parliament today, Jenta delivered the part of the Privilege's
decision that was required of her in the slap on

(29:43):
the wrist with the wet bus ticket.

Speaker 12 (29:44):
Here she is, I apologize unreservedly for my conduct in
the House on the evening of the first of May
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (29:54):
And I'll tell you what. There are people I've talked
to in Parliament about this today, and there are people
who believe that she should have not only been censured
what she has been, she should have been penalized as well.
And what they can do is suspend them from the
House saved for a week and they suspend their wages
for a week as well. That's what should have happened
here because that was unruly in the extra.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
It's a red card speaking about talking to people from Parliament.
You were talking to Jerry Browne over the course of today,
could a bit of argie bargie about him and the
pelpins and insignia and all this sort of thing, and
he's falling out with David Seymour.

Speaker 16 (30:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:30):
Well, the interesting thing is here that the point that
I think the Speaker would make is that look, la pelpins,
they're very small, they're inoffensive and you remember John Key
always wore a silver fan on his lapel. Yeah, but
that wasn't a political statement. The Act one is. And
the point that Jerry Browne made, and he makes the
rules around Parliament, is entirely within his right to do that.

(30:53):
He said political logos in Parliament should be banned totally.
Now it seems I guess penny pinching. But you know,
if you make one rule, it's got to be abided by.
And I think Act you know, they're obviously trying to
get under the Speaker's skin and are succeeding, I think,
But really it sounded draconian to me. But you can

(31:15):
understand the reasons why.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Very so lovely to have you back. It is now
seven to five.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 19 (31:27):
The Weirdestone Parliament, Karen Tchua ended up in tears, claiming
she's been bullied. Head of the Egg Party's David Symourho's
with us.

Speaker 20 (31:33):
Karen, as you know, has been advancing the reforms which
take out the requirements of raung A Tameriki to put
the treaty ahead of anything else. We want children's welfare
to be the number one issue. We don't want these
reverse uplifts so you can get taken out of her
household because her parents are supposedly the wrong race. Karen
has copped a lot of flak for that. If they
want to argue the policy, go for it. It's the

(31:55):
personalized at texts about her race and background and her
upbringing really is just as unacceptable.

Speaker 19 (32:02):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Drive of the Laugh News.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
After the News so just about eight minutes away, we're
talking to the CEO of Transpower. They've done a report
onto the pylon. There's nothing in the report about compensation.
I will ask them about compensation. Do you think compensation
should be paid? And if so who Transpower all or
the contractor XI com Now, Ragnell writes, Transpower need to
provide compensation. They have a project manager or delivery manager

(32:31):
managing the contract and the contractor transpoer also have job
assessors that visit worksites. The onus is on them to
ensure the contractors are competent. Thank you, Ragnal. Another Ben says, yeah,
that Pilon issue seems very unfair to authan. If my
apprentice test drove and crashed your car, would you just accept, oh,
sorry about that. He was an experienced apology and get

(32:54):
your bugged car back. No, what, It's sorted straight away,
and you be a fool not to have public library
to cover that. So, as far as Ben's concerned, the
contractor pay, So who will pay? We'll find out shortly
when Transpower is CEO. John Clark, not the comedian, joins
us to chat right after the news, which is next
on news Talks. Hereby young birth ten.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
And twenty nine under Pink Skyes.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
You taught them to enjoy the only drive show you
can trust.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
To ask the questions, get the answers by the facts,
and give the analysis. Andrew dickens on hither due to
see Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected
News Talk ZIBB.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
This good afternoon. Heather's on leave back on Monday. I'm
Andrew Dickens. So Transpower has released the full investigation into
how the Northern Power pylon fell over back in June,
causing widespread electricity outages that cost sixty million dollars in
lost business. The report finds it's because of insufficient supervision
of an inexperienced worker. Too many bolts were then removed

(34:09):
from the tower, causing it to topple over which we
all knew we saw the photos. Now there will be
numerous calls for Transpower to provide compensation as the outage
cost that sixty million dollars to the Northern economy. So
well they or won't they? So I'm joined now by
Transpowers Acting Chief Executive John Clark. Hello John, Hello Andy Gee.
This was a beginner's mistake, wasn't it?

Speaker 7 (34:33):
As we said, well, you weren't able to comprehend how
our mix on a contract we've used a lot and
good work for us could end up the situation with
the crew without sufficient training or supervision that resulted in
a worker removing more nuts from fretail legt.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
No, it's incredible. I mean, do you provide you know,
before the contract to start doing the work. Do you
provide a manual this is how you actually do this?
Did you ever provide any written statement that said, whatever
you do, don't do that mut.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
We don't specify how many nuts should be removed or
the order they are removed in We set out the
high level requirement that we want the service provider to achieve,
and then we lead them to plan the work in
a way that is both safe and efficient. So they

(35:29):
and that's practice for a lot of things. We employee
met them and other service siders because they are experts
and how to deliver work.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
All right. So omic Tom is an independent contractor. They're
actually quite a big company their owned overseas. They're worth
about five billion euros apparently, so they've got a bit
of ding. They're doing work on behalf of you. You've
got a contract you've asked them to do the work.
The one thing that this report does not include is
who may or may not pay compensation. So whose responsibility

(36:00):
would it be to pay compensation to the good people
of Northland who had to shut down.

Speaker 10 (36:05):
For the day.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
Well, firstly, apologize again to people of Northland for the
disruption that happened as a result of the sauvage. They
have had a tough time and it was just another
thing as part of the experiences they had had. And
we really appreciate the way that our partners up there
and others collaborated to help us use the backup supply

(36:27):
for about two and a half days to get people
before we could get people up running properly. Utilities like electricity,
water gas, there is no arrangement where we guarantee supply
to be able to gar These utilities are subject to

(36:49):
things like storm, flood or manner of environmental challenges. The
infrastructure spread out of a wide area, there will be
occasional equipment failures and rarely that sometimes human errors. The
frameworks we've worked in today do not provide for reinvestment

(37:12):
when full service is not available. So that's the model
that we have at the prizes, I say to not Hony,
to electricity, to water, guess other utilities even available here voting.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Well, that may be what's in your contract, but that
doesn't win you any friends. I know that north and
MP Grant McCallum says providing compensation for the incident is
the least you could do. So what do you say
to him and the good people of north Land.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
We've met and talked with Grant McCallum. I'm not sure
if he's made comments about compensation, but we certainly talked
with him about what we can do in the Northland community,
and we will be talking with other leaders service and
may make an announcement of how we can commute support the

(38:01):
community in some way given the challenges that data taste.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
He says. The MP says it's good to see you
accepting the findings of the report on your power pile
on failure and acknowledging the harm it does to Northanders,
but he says we're left waiting for Transpower to take
responsibility for their actions. To you feel you're taking responsibility
for your actions.

Speaker 7 (38:23):
As noted, we've apologized for the inconvenience and said this
event should not occur. We've taken a number of actions
to make sure it does not occur again, including requirements
around our service providers. This work begins again because if
we want to make sure they can do it safely
and in a way that does not put the power

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system at list. Well.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Imixem is, as I say, a big international company with
deep pockets as well, and they made a critical mistake
which screwed up the business of a lot of Northenders.
Have you thought about hitting them up for providing some
compensation for the bad work that they did.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Well, we've completed our review, which gets does identify the
actions of the workers a maxim are doing their review,
which we'll go a little bit further, we hope into
just understanding what may have gone wrong in terms of
processes and controls and even behaviors that got to where
they are. In addition to that, we have a separate

(39:28):
review by the Electricity Authority requested by the Minister of Energy,
and I think when we look at all those reviews,
we may know more about just how the event came
to be and what the consequences are.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
All right, John, thank you so much for your time today.
John Clark has transpowers acting chief executive. And how do
you feel about that? There is no compensation nothantime. So sorry,
the power we end off, some fall forgot to put
in the things. No one's taking responsibility, No money, no money.
How do you feel? The word weasel, weezer, weasel, weasel

(40:03):
comes to mind. It is now thirteen minutes after five.
All right, the police are uptight and upset, and in
fact they're said to be fuming over the very light
sentences handed down to fifteen people who were busted at
an anti myth operation Hawks Bay and Gisborne. Operation Horizon
was carried out back in twenty twenty one, and one

(40:25):
of those arrested was Aria Hubbard, a major player in
the meth supply chain for the Mango Marbin wide raw.
Only five of the people arrested got jail time, only five,
and Aria Hubbard was not one of those five. And
Chris Carhill as she joins us now as the Police
Association president.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Hello Chris, that's and Andrew.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
How do you run a meth supply chain for the
Mungo marb and dodge jail time?

Speaker 6 (40:50):
What this is the problem we've got? We're talking about
top indetender is here. We're not saying everyone should go
to jail and lock them up the key, but it's
the top end staffam. And what we're saying is the
discounts that applied. I'll give you a really bad example.
We've got one recently that significant high end criminal importing
four kre those of men, and the judge to Cropt

(41:11):
has described it as significant high end starting point of
twelve years, gave twenty five percent off for guilty plea
after three years, twenty percent for cultural report, ten percent
for addiction issues, ten percent for impact that have on family,
ten percent for a brain injury, seventy five percent discount
through in another twelve months because they've been on aletrant vale.

(41:33):
That twelve year starting point went to twelve months home.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
D well, Okay, well, hey, chriss costumers. It does frustrate,
It frustrate to everybody. Let's talk about area. Actually, let's
talk about that one starting point eight years. The judge
was Bridget Macintosh. Then given a twenty five percent Discountcracy
pleaded guilty. Fifteen percent discount for a deprived upbringing, even
though I thought cultural reports were gone, but it doesn't

(41:56):
seem so fifteen percent discount for rehabilitations. He'd undertaken ten
percent discount for the direct imprisonment or the impact imprisonment
would have on her for children, And so the sentence
went from eighty four months to twenty nine months.

Speaker 21 (42:09):
Yeah, it looks like judges do as much as they
can to get it down to the range where they
can then give home to tention and at some stages
ignoring that it's not about all about the offender.

Speaker 6 (42:23):
It's got to be about the deterrent, especially when the
harm mess doing in society. I mean, bastes like wire
are wrecked by the me that's the harm, the family harm,
the curves into distress, all those sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That can I ask you one last question, though, were
they directed to do all these discounts, well, have they
come up with this idea on their own?

Speaker 6 (42:44):
I think the clear direction about reducing the number of
people in prisons and limiting them to violent offenses and
sex offenses, and so drug dealers are getting the benefit
of that sort of direction. That's why I'm supportive of
the move to reduce the amount of discatching give to
forty percent. And we'd like to see that.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Low past all right, Chris, I thank you. That must
be frustrating. Chris Carhill from the Police Association at sixteen
minutes after five. Ryan Fox Tea's off at seven twenty
two tonight. But the big thing is rowing. Emma Twigg
is in the single skulls. She's in a semi that's
happening at seven thirty pm, and we're in a final.
Cox is fourth that's at ten past ten. Gosh, I
wish we had somebody who knew about rowing to talk to.

(43:27):
Eric Murray is next news, talk to it b Well,
there is the chance for more medals this evening in Paris.
The rowers are back in action and we're good at
rowing men's and doubles, men's and women's double skulls finals
alongside the men's and women's coxes four's finals as well.
Eric Murray's been there, Eric Murray's won that. Eric Murray's
with me now. Hello Eric, Thanky day, Andrew, how are

(43:49):
you very good? Brook Francis and Lucy Spores in the
double skull women and it says final A. What is
final A mean? Versus final?

Speaker 17 (43:59):
Well and rowing we have we race everything very similar
to the rugby sevens, where you race all the way
down to get a ranking.

Speaker 14 (44:07):
So if you're in the.

Speaker 17 (44:07):
Final AM means you're in the top six and you
get the chance for the medals. If you're in a
Final B then you're sort of seven to twelve, And
if you're in a final seed and you're thirteen to eighteen,
I'll try and do my maths. So that's basically what
that's just how rowing too minology?

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Okay, So Brook Francis and Lizzie Spores could win a gold.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
The absolutely good.

Speaker 17 (44:29):
I think at the moment going on.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Taper, they're the fastest qualifiers.

Speaker 17 (44:33):
And I think they're finding themselves probably in a position
that they wouldn't have thought that they would be. You know,
two mothers who have been revolutionizing training to be able
to look after their children, you know, and being able
to work together.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I think it's a.

Speaker 17 (44:48):
Fabulous story and what they've been able to achieve to
get to this point is pretty special. So you know,
they have an absolute, very very good chance of winning.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
At nine to eighteen PM and has followed directly at
nine thirty by Robbie Vnson and Jordan Parry, and they're
in the double skulls men in Final A as well.
How about their chances.

Speaker 17 (45:09):
I think that they would be very very.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Happy if they could pick up a medal.

Speaker 17 (45:14):
I don't think they're going to win the Dutch Brew's
being one of the standouts. You know, they did get
third in their semi finals, so on paper you'd argue
to say they're fifth or sixth. But at the end
of the day, they're in a final. Have people cook
their goose trying to go a bit hard to make
it into you know, the finals. Who's pulled up well
after the racing, you know, a day ago. So there's

(45:36):
a lot of factors into place. But if they won
a medal, I'd be very very happy for them. But
on paper they're just going to be potentially off the pace.
But you know what, fingers crossed, anything.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Can happen, all right. Ten Cox's four cruise women and men.
We've got the women going off at nine fifty and
the men going off at ten ten. Can either of
those crews do it?

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Absolutely?

Speaker 17 (45:57):
I think our men they've probably got our charts of
winning a gold medal. They have shown themselves throughout the season.
They have been the fastest qualified through the heat. But obviously,
you know we're now in finals, racing depending on the
conditions where the crews are going to be brave and
go out and you know, literally throw kitchen sink it

(46:19):
trying to win. That'll be a wait and see. But
I think they're formed. They've been looking very very good.
They're getting coached by Emma Twiggs coach Mike Roger and
so yeah, so basically they've got a very good shot.
Now a woman on the other side, they're going to
be fighting for the bronze. At the stage, you know,

(46:40):
they they were second to the British. You know, on
the other side of the drawer, we've got very good
Dutch crew. So I think it's just about, you know,
if they can if they can put together the race
that they need to right and and this is what
happens in the Olympics, right, You've got to put the
race or the or the throw or the jump out there.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Eric, time is our enemy as it is. I've got
two more people to talk about. Emma Tweg you mentioned
her before, she's racing at seven thirty and Tom mcintized
our new singles skull Superstar, he's racing right after. So
both those athletes, how about their chances?

Speaker 17 (47:12):
Yeah, I think that they should skate through the semi
finals relatively unharmed. You know this is a semi final.
I think that all they have to do is make
sure they get in the top three and then they
can worry about the final when it comes good.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
It's basically all it.

Speaker 17 (47:28):
That's all I got to worry about.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And you have you got phone though, do you feel
do you think you sit there and going, oh look
at this this sort of say fan, I wish it
was there. Come on.

Speaker 17 (47:38):
A little a little bit, mate, I've been I've been
on the other side of the fencer a little bit now.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
But no.

Speaker 17 (47:44):
The only the only folmer I've got is effect that
the tad wouldn't open up any odds on the rowing
because I could have put my house.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
You know what you need to do now that you're retired.
You need to go over and help me, he Drysdale
and tell it, don't mate. You could be the deputy there.
You could be the deputy there.

Speaker 14 (48:00):
Little down a modern to political.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Good boy thy twenty four. This is newsalk B. That's
Eric Murray, the name you.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Andrew Dickens on Heather Duplicy, Alan Drive with one New Zealand,
let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Transpart does not want to play compensations and orthans and
they said it time and time again twenty minutes ago
on this radio station talking to me. So Dan's come in.
He said it was not an act of God or
an accident, but pure and competence. They need to pay in.
The lawyers have decided to get stuck in as well.
Kathy's come in. She says, contractually it is common to
include force measure as an exclusion for liability. However this

(48:40):
is not the case with negligence, incompetence or malicious intent.
Should these be proven. We know it's negligence, they've said
it's negligence. In Kathy's opinion, Northland should be entitled to
some compensation. And someone says something that popped into my
mind while the air brake was on. Immediately us action

(49:01):
against Transpower comes to mind, and I wonder whether the
Northland business is affected by this. Are up for that
sort of thing, because it sounds like Transpower is not
willing to not willing to buckle. I would have thought
the contractor might be sitting there going this is a
chance to get some very good pr I would have
thought Transpower would have known the right thing to do

(49:22):
for the people of Northland, but they didn't. So new
report out about what happened to Malachi Subitch and what's
been happening in terms of our treatment of children. It's
got no better, got no better? Are we surprised? More
on this coming up right afternoons and sport which.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Is next tenha, don't backing?

Speaker 9 (49:43):
Love me too?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
My are this town our WestEd You are there all alone.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart and in your
car on your drive home it's Andrew dickens on hither
duple see Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected and new talk sid be.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
It's a very cruel summer for hated wild goodness me,
what what a race? That was A billion people watching
that race? A million people. I didn't mean to watch
the whole race, but you just start and then you
go look at that. Oh he stuffed it up. No
he hasn't. No he's won it. Oh no, suddenly he hadn't.
So anyway. One in the Olympics a few minutes time
with the huddle. On the huddle, Simon Wilson, famous athlete

(50:54):
and even more famous athlete Bent Thomas will be join
USD to talk this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Zibby.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Okay, we've had another damning report into our child protection system.
This one's from the Independent Children's Monitor and they've looked
at the movement in the system since totaling a five
year old Malachi Shabech was murdered by his care and
now that happened three years ago. This report has found

(51:24):
absolutely no subsequent recommendations have been implemented by the children's agencies,
and Orang Tamariki, and Oranga Tamariki is being forced to
make decisions on staff availability rather than prioritizing at child safety.
So Aaron Jones is the chief executive at the Independent
Children's Monitor and he joins me, Now.

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Hello, Eron, Hey you Orr Andrew.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
How frustrating is it to write reports that nobody listens to.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
Yeah, it's disappointing. You know, when Dame Caroen asked us
to do this review, we'd hope to see more progress
than us. Here's disappointing not to have seen that.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
And so you're not surprised in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
I don't think surprised I'd actually hoped we would have
seen some change. I mean, the things that Dame Kraen identified,
the gaps and recommendations, these aren't you. And you said
onto a couple of decades of children being murdered, reviews
being done, recommendations made. So the issues she's raised aren't you.
We just need to see some action now, Okay.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
So who's responsible for not taking action? Because that's basically
what your report has ended out saying. Rather than looking at,
you know, at the improvements, it's looking at what hasn't happened.
Who is responsible for nothing?

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Look, you know, the recommendations ask agencies to take action,
but some of these things also require government decisions and
potentially legislation to be passed. So there's a number of players.

Speaker 10 (52:45):
In this game.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Okay, Well one of them is alling in Tamariki and
this this report comes out that they're making decisions on
staff availability rather than prioritizing a child safety. So why
are they making such decisions?

Speaker 6 (53:00):
But what the report shows is that they're under pressure.
You've got a lot of reports of concern coming to them.
These are then going out to their sites and unfortunately
the social work is having to make tough decisions and
what you see is inconsistent threshold around the country in
terms of when they can take action, and it's unduly
influenced by the number of staffs that are available in

(53:20):
those sites.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Whenever these sorts of things come up, we start hearing
about a lack of money, But do we have a
skill shortage? Do we actually have the people who are
competent to actually do these rather complex social interventions.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Well, one of the things that we spoke to on
on a tun of easy staff on the front line
and what's the national office. There was concerns about, you know,
whether they could get the staff and.

Speaker 10 (53:40):
To do the work.

Speaker 6 (53:42):
Summer sites told us that they were told they couldn't
hire staff. But we've also heard that there's a real
shortage of social workers available to fill positions and that
you have a number of vacancies that they haven't felt.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
I bet they've got lots of managers. Here's a question
for you. You know, the big debate is about Health
New Zealand and whether the men you're heavy but no
front lane stuff? Is it the same for a tamariki
and other agencies. They've got lots of people who who
talk about what to do but they've got nobody who
can actually do it well.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Like many agencies, at the moment, they are making decisions
to remove positions in the back office and put them
into the front line, and we yet to see what
difference it will make. But our organization is there to
continue going out to see what impacts this might have
and whether some of these issues are being addressed. And
that's why although we've done this report today, we're going
to come back in twelve months and see what difference

(54:33):
may have been made by them.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
If you had a different hat on, if you were
in charge, what would you do.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
That's a really good question. Look, Dan Karen did say
that these are difficult issues to grapple with, but like
I said, they've been around for a while. I think
it's bigger than just looking at all a tamariki as
looking at the whole system. We need a really good,
well funded supported community sector because often it's NGO's Maori
EV providers that can actually get there through the front door.

(54:59):
But when they he concerns, when they see young children
in need, they need to be able to report to
or Ana Tamarigi and know that they will respond.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
All right, Aaron I, thank you so much. Aaron is
from the Independent Children's Monitor. He is the chief executive
of The report was written by Dame Karen Potassi and
it was written following the death of Malachae su Bitch,
and she found that children are no safer now than
where Malachi died three years ago. It is eighteen to six.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on Parallel
Reach and Results.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
So on the Huddle today we have been Thomas and
Simon Wilson joins us. Hello both you gentlemen. How are
you today?

Speaker 14 (55:39):
Are there?

Speaker 22 (55:40):
Andrew?

Speaker 16 (55:40):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Ben Kyoto great today, your big your pardon, doing great today.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Doing great today. I thought you were saying I was
at work today. I was going to say, well, I'm
very much hope he means the same thing, very much hope.
This has been Thomas, who, by the way, is absolutely
obsessed right now with Susie Wiles, but not but not
the Susie Wiles that we know and love.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
I just do a double take every time I see
comments attributed to the Donald Trump campaign in America attributed
to Susie Wilde just spelled in a different tradition.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
The it's traditional Susie as well, not the Susie like
Susie and the Bandshes Look, I'm joking around, but we've
just had a very very serious interview about how nothing
happened in three years. It's the death of a child,
and frankly, I have covered there so many years where
I we do a report, we have worthy words, and
then nothing happens. Simon, Yeah, there are a.

Speaker 15 (56:36):
Couple of things I think came out of that interview,
just to with Aaron Jones. One of the points that
strikes me is that it must be getting hard for
Aroung and Tamareiki now to keep employing finding social workers
to employ because the agency gets so demonized and they
get blamed for so much. And I'm not saying that
they're all doing it perfectly, but that they are in

(56:57):
the ride, in the firing line every time everything goes wrong,
and yet we know it's an underfunded in many ways
disrupt the agency is prodomly. And the second issue is
is there a better example anywhere of the nonsense that
if you take out back off of staff and put
them into the front line, you're making things better. A
wrong Tamariki needs to be able to record what it

(57:19):
does so that it knows this child who is at risk,
it's got the records for them. And that is back
office work. That is paperwork that has to be done.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Now I understand to keep those records, so I remember
at the same time, you can't record something if you
don't have the person who's actually doing something that you
can record.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
So what do you think, Ben, Well, I mean, look,
there are back office staff who aren't doing any recording
and aren't doing much of valuating and you know, having
a lot of meetings and a lot of zoom calls.
On the other hand, you know that that is pretty
marginal in terms of the issue that we're confronting as

(57:55):
a nation and perpetually. I think Simon made a good point.
You know, in the sector that I work in, communications
on a timbody, he pays you know, well above you know,
the kind of market rates, because otherwise they can't get
anyone who would want to front those stories to the
media day day in, day out. You know, it is

(58:18):
it's a workplace with a very high rate of attrition.
You know, it's a very punishing environment, you know, on
the front line. And you know, if I mean, if
if you could take one silt the lining out of it.
I know there was a bit of debate about the
Independent Children's monitor and whether it would you know, have
the kind of teeth can compare to sort of the

(58:41):
Children's Commissioner. On the other hand, you know, look at
it things that we can still get the same results
we've had in the past, which is pointing out that
you know, things don't seem to be particularly improving.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
No, they're not improving, you know, and can a government
agency really improve actually the behavior of New Zealanders as
you know, I sometimes I just think it's just worthy
words which we do to salve our conscience, and then
nothing really really happens. Occasionally you get a saint who'll
come in and save some stuff in a case or
two or three.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
Well this is where where sorry I've gone. Okay, we're
one week after the report of the Royal Commission to
Abuse some care and there's lessons for us. It feels
to me like this is a moment now for us.
Of course, aroung A, TAMMERII or any one agency can't
change the culture, but the culture significantly clear has to change.

(59:34):
And it seems to me that one of the things
that came out of that inquiry was that there are
people who have survived that terrible abuse and have gone
on to be counselors to gond help others and communities
to not have to go through what they went through,
and they are the people we should be empowering now
and saying and helping and being led by as we

(59:55):
have a societal turnaround.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Ben Thomas and Simon Wilson on the Huddle. It is
fourteen to six. We'll find out if these guys like Triathan.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional
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Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Ben Thomas. Sun wasn't on the huddle, Ben, you've been
watching the Did you watch the triathon last night?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
I saw bits of it. Last night was actually the
first night that I changed into the Olympics. So I
realized it was sort of something missing in my life,
which was which was being part of the monoculture again
and being part of a shared experience on television.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Well, what's what's missing in your life? Table tennis, beach, volleyball,
what you know?

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Right? I discovered it might be handball, or it might
I like the idea of handball, which seems like sort of.
It seems like they get the kind of support crew
to play in between, you know, the real sports.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
It's like football but just a bit crapoht.

Speaker 14 (01:00:56):
Of like basketball a bit difficult. How about have we
made the four hundred times?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
That's so true, that's so true. Simon talks about the
other it.

Speaker 15 (01:01:06):
I found the triathlon last night thrilling. I did watch
the whole thing, you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Know what I called it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I caught it the best movie that Sky has ever played.

Speaker 15 (01:01:14):
And my wife went to bed halfway through, and she
would have heard me, you know, through the wall, calling
out no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
It was such a They weren't covering it.

Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
They weren't.

Speaker 15 (01:01:26):
That was one so disappointing. They weren't keeping up with
what was happening exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Okay, let's get onto the biggest story of the day.
Some people brought some food into a Pookakoe movie theater.
The people came along who owned the theaters, that you
can't do that here, and then the people went crazy
and started calling them racists and going all angry, and
then they got thrown out and trespass. So should you
Ben Thomas take food into a theater? Was the movie
cinema within their rights.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Look, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I
have never taken my own food into.

Speaker 15 (01:01:59):
But I was wrong though, Ben right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
I think I think it's changed a little bit, you know,
in in the I mean, movies suddenly haven't become any cheaper,
but they you know, they the cinemas really are kind
of on the breadline these days. You know, people are
staying at home, they're watching Netflix, They're not going out,
you know. I think it's the theater manager said if
they if they don't sort of charge eight dollars for

(01:02:25):
you know, one Leader Center or whatever, no money, you know,
it's going out out of business. I mean, I think
the issue is that if you are going to bring
your own snacks, be a bit subtle about it. I mean,
there's no reason in the like, you know, at least
you're laying out a buffet. I don't know how you
get picked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Up on it, be like Ben, smuggling your own snickers
in your socks.

Speaker 15 (01:02:48):
But it's not an ethical issue, is it? Just to me,
it's very straightforward that retailers have the right to make
the rules around these problems. The reason exactly, and the
reason why places like that offer food and all the
rest is because that money they make from it is
vital to them, oh to their viability.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
It's just like is it go to a restaurant, they
make the money off the drinks. Go to a cinema
and they make the money off the thing. So that's
the first thing. Then there's health safety regulations covering food
in the cinema, which they're not responsible for. If you're
bringing in your own egg sandwiches, it's their property, it's
their rules. And then the sneaky snackers when they got
called out, we're behaved disgustingly. So I think it's a
no brain. I can't believe there's a debate.

Speaker 15 (01:03:27):
I think you're right about that, and you know it
is hard. Times are tough for everybody, but retailers need
to be supported.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
And can I just ask, do you have to eat
within the two and a half hours? Can't you pre
load like we do when we're drinking.

Speaker 15 (01:03:39):
You know, I think the answer is you do have to.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
I would just say yes, but you know, the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Opening of chip packets ruins my movies. Mate, just just
gobble up luger then come in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
It is I was watching I did go to a
quiet place, you know, the work thirty minutes and I
dipped by multi.

Speaker 15 (01:04:04):
Ye Ben, you were that guy.

Speaker 8 (01:04:06):
You will be always give that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:10):
Shame.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Shame. That's the second time I've said shame to Ben Thomas.
Very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Thank you so much, Ben Thomas and Simon Wilson. This
is News Talk zib and it's coming up seven minutes to.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Zibbi b If you preload food before the movie, you
run the risk of falling asleep. Good advice, Thank you.
Texter Brian says, try taking your own alcohol into a pub.
Rules of rules. If you get caught, don't pleat dumb
end of story. I think the big thing is it
was their property. They said you've got to go. You
can't do that, the rules of rules, and the people

(01:04:55):
with n nahs at them absolutely crazy, started calling them
racist all sorts of Not only that they were stacked
full of food. They had a lot of food. It
wasn't just a snacker, it was a pack of stuff.
I just I just don't give people somehow, But there
we go.

Speaker 23 (01:05:10):
I think I think it's said as well hot food
Andrew as well, there's a special circle of hell for
doing Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
My god, well that's right. Well, first of all, you've
got the crinkly food. You hate that, don't you? In
a quiet place? Ben Thomas? Hello, how dare he? But
then you've got the hot food, which.

Speaker 23 (01:05:24):
Makes the wholes and I'm a smell you may as
well bring in microwave fish and those egg sandwiches you
were talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Imagine that? All right? Okay, Now, by the way, don't
care about the food. Call me or my staff racist
and your trespass for sure. Listen, I think that there
was a text that came through. Okay, Rod Duke, so
he's got this company, right, and it's called brisco Group,
and the big thing Briscoes, which does the home weares.

(01:05:50):
And of course you've got Rebel Sport. Guess what their
sales are up. We've been hearing all these stories about
retail being in the Dolgroens, but not Rod Duke and
has come company. His sales are up. He's predicting a
forty million dollar after tax profit. Later on, what is
his secret? What is the magic trick? I will ask

(01:06:11):
Rod Duke what that secret is. So if you're in
retailer and make sure you're listening, that interview is about
seven minutes away here on News Talks NB. That news
is next.

Speaker 18 (01:06:22):
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I stucket the body of running out the way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
The world shame, don't you mean the same?

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Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
As good to you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Welcome on, and it is the first of August. It's
a mixed up, upside down world when economists are hoping
for more unemployment. The employment figures are out later this week,
so Liam Dan's joining me in about nine minutes. Time
to talk about this later. Jamie McKay on the worrying
news that China's getting quite good at farming cows. The
first Let's go to Brisco's or Brisco should I say?

(01:07:24):
And despite consumer spending being down, Brisco Group has managed
to power through, posting record half year sales. It's twenty
six week half year sales to the end of July
reached three hundred and seventy two point one million, which
is a point seven to seven percent increase in the
same period, ladst year, the group's home were sales that's

(01:07:44):
Brisco's also increased point two eight percent over the period.
Sporting goods that's Rebel Sport that went up one point
five to eight percent. So Rod Duke is the group
managing director of Brisco Group, and he joins.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Me, Now, good evening to your Rod evening, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Now, what's the magic trick make? Everybody in retail wants
to know how you can make money?

Speaker 10 (01:08:06):
Look, Look, it is true, it's very, very difficult out
there at the moment. I think the numbers you're seeing
from us is probably more about a market share shift
to the two brands that I have, both Priscos and
Rebel Sport, rather than increased customers. They're just seem to
be switching their purchasing patterns as across to our brands.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Well, then, once again, what's the secret. What makes Brisco
better than any other homeware supply? What makes Rebel Sport
better than any other sporting supplier?

Speaker 10 (01:08:36):
Look, I guess it's all about selling high quality products
at real good prices. That's where we've sat for many,
many years. It's the strategy is unchanged, and when we
do that, we tell a lot of people that we're
going to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
So is that what you'd say to Paul and Liz Blackwell,
who bought Torpedo seven off the Warehouse Group for a dollar?

Speaker 10 (01:09:00):
No, I know paulygant that team pretty well. Look, they'll
probably they'll probably do okay out of that, but they're
in a slightly different category than we are.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Anyway, you also said you're not going to produce a
net profit above tax above last year's forty two point
seven million. We all know the good thing about you
as your company is pretty cast rich. So where do
you think you're going to end out eventually?

Speaker 10 (01:09:25):
Oh, well, we know pretty much where we're going to
end up. For the half year. It's going to be
forty million and change, which is going to be about
ninety four to ninety five percent of last year. What
happens at the end of year our interview ends in January.
Where that ends up largely depends on the market. You know,
we're hopeful to get the same or a slightly better

(01:09:45):
number than last year, but we're just going to have
to wait and see.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
And of course, the current manator is survive until twenty five.
Do you see a turnaround next year?

Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
Look like the rest of the market. We're hoping, so Andrew,
But the need to see the green shoots first. I
think the suburbs need to feel a bit more secure
about their their outgoings. You know, the insurances, the wages
coming in, the inflation and the price of petrol, all
those costs that they're hitting the suburbs. Everyone's just just

(01:10:21):
worried about and housing interest rates of course.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Of course, of course. But of course, at the same time,
even while all that is happening, you still need sneakers,
and you still need fighting names and forks.

Speaker 10 (01:10:30):
Well, yeah, we are in the staples business, even though
some would say sporting goods are not really staples there,
they're luxuries. That still sees me going pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Well, congratulations, right, and bring on the full year and
let's bring on a turnaround day.

Speaker 10 (01:10:47):
Cheers mate, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
So No he didn't tell us semantic secret source, did he, really?
Though he has been quite open about some of the
successors of this company in the past. The fact of
the matter is they have no debt, which is quite handy.
Really good on them for doing that. That means when
you see a profit of forty million dollars. That money
and other companies is going towards the debt and the
financing and all that sort of stuff. So it helps
if you have no debt. Other texts have come through well,

(01:11:12):
people talking about the no debt because he's been quite
proud about this. Colin says he has no debt. Servicing
costs means he can price competitively with products, providing a
better value for money proposition than other retailers. Damn and
the other person who I think Bill works in the
advertising industry says Briscoes and Rebel Sports success is partly
to do with the ad agency partner, Stanley Street. I'd

(01:11:35):
like to welcome Stanley Street to the program and feel
free to place Brisco's and Rebel Sports ads with this
radio station. And it is twelve minutes after sex. It's
a strange mixed up world when you've got economists going gee,
I hope we've got more unemployment in this country. And
that's what's happening right now. To explain more after the break,
Liam Dan.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen with them business hours.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
It's a quarter part six no Welcome to the program
and New Zealand herold's business editor at largely and Dan Hello, William,
how are you today? Sorry? Is your microphone working? You said?

Speaker 10 (01:12:28):
You hearing me?

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Absolutely well done? Right, We've got fresh unemployment data. Now
there's a difference between so I should say data. There's
a difference between employment data and unemployment data, isn't there? Yeah,
we get both.

Speaker 24 (01:12:38):
Next week we find out how many jobs we've created
in this economy and how many have disappeared I guess,
or how many people have joined the doll cub would
be the the local way of putting in it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
And there's things like participation. That's what we talk about
participation in the world.

Speaker 24 (01:12:52):
It's a rate participation rate.

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
We find out about.

Speaker 24 (01:12:57):
Whether people are underemployed, so we're you know, people are
working part time but wanting to work more so, you know,
so they might not count as unemployed, but they may
not be getting the hours of work that they want,
and so that's you know, doing it tough as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
And all of this has explained in linham Dan's marvelous
book called Barbecue. Yeah, so that you know what, which
give it a plag So we got fresh unemployment data
next week, and in a strange world, economists are hoping
that we have higher unemployment.

Speaker 24 (01:13:28):
Yeah, what we expect is going higher.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
It's just a weird scenario.

Speaker 24 (01:13:32):
We're sort of cheering on a higher than expected unemployment rates.
So the reserve banks is four point six. If it's
higher than that, that's bad. It's bad for the or
people who lost their job. But it means that the
reserve Bank's more likely to put our interest rates down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
So that's good.

Speaker 24 (01:13:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. And same would go for wage data,
which we get next week as well. So you know,
if it shows that we're still collectively getting a decent wage, right,
that's bad news. Weirdly, I mean, I don't know, you
can never it doesn't feel right to ever be cheering
higher unemployment. But when you look at what's expected through
this whole cycle is that unemployment will rise to about

(01:14:12):
five point five percent, it'd be nice if it came
in below that, so I'm still cheering for it to
come in below that. But if it's going to do that,
we need to see interest rates come down and the
economy perk up. So maybe it's better to have a
little bit of a shock in advance.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
But you know, wage rises, what on earth are they?
I mean, I'm hearing from all sorts of sectors that
people are getting a bit more money, obviously, but when
you consider the level of inflation that has occurred over
the last two to three years, when they look at
the real terms of their reward, is that they're getting
paid less than we're paid three years ago in real terms.

Speaker 8 (01:14:46):
Well, I've actually looked at that pretty closely too.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
It's quite odd.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
The wage, the hourly wage growth that.

Speaker 24 (01:14:53):
They measure it has kind of kept up with inflation
on aggregate level. So you've got even you know, you
wouldn't even if you don't use CPI, if you include
interest rates and you look at the household living costs,
they've gone up about twenty three percent or so, and
so pretty much have wages, you know, across the time

(01:15:14):
since the beginning of the pandemic, which makes me wonder
what's going on because I sure don't know many people
like you say, you don't know many people who have
seen their wages go up that much.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
I'm in an industry where there's a lot of fixed
term contracts, you know, so there's no adjustment for CPI
and that so all that.

Speaker 24 (01:15:32):
Sort of I think younger people have had more mobility,
so that does those figures do capture people getting promotions,
shifting jobs, and getting better paying jobs, and so that
probably is something that younger people have been able to
take advantage of up until this point where unemployment is rising,
US oldies stuck in our long term jobs probably just

(01:15:53):
relying on what we get from this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
So this week we are hoping for a little bit
more unemployment and a little less wage growth. How weird? Weird? Yeah,
thank you so much. Well off to the country in
a few moments time. Jamie mckaye is here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
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(01:16:29):
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Speaker 14 (01:16:50):
Look, I'm wondering whether maybe someone should Dr Rad Carr,
the Climate Change Commissioner or the chairman and tell them
not to venture into rural New Zealand because he's ruffled
a few feathers today.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
All right, so this is so you actually broke out
break down a little bit there. So this has kind
of changed Commission chair Dr Rod Carr, who says it
is not true to say pharmacy to wait for new
technology before they can lower their planet heating commissions. They
can do it now.

Speaker 14 (01:17:17):
Yeah, well, it's interesting, he said, the idea that and
I hope you can hear me Andrew apologize for the reception.
He said, the idea that farmers have no tools and
must wait for new things before they can reduce emissions
is simply not true. We know different feeding practices are
associated with different emissions. We know different breeds and breed
with breeds within breeds are associated with different emissions. Now,

(01:17:41):
this got a strong rebuke from Mark Cameron, who's one
of the act agricultural spokespeople. He's also a Northland Kalkaki.
He said, well, mister Carr, it's about time you visited
rural New Zealand before making in accurate statements about on
farm practice. Has a thought for you, right, he writes,
the Climate Change Commissioner should tell rural people what bovine

(01:18:04):
breeds and what breeds within breeds. He's specifically talking about
that he states has such different emissions profiles. The rural
New Zealand is waiting with baited breath for the answer
to that one.

Speaker 10 (01:18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:18:15):
So, look he's going out all guns blazing, doctor Rod.
He's never been afraid to speak out. It'll be fair
to say he's probably not the post popular man in
rural New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
Good seth, Look, this is starting to worry me. Development
of large scale dairy farms and forming feed prices are
driving China's raw milk production up and the official price down.
They're getting good at this stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:18:38):
Yeah, they are getting really good at it. And I've
been trading for a lot longer than us, and it's
a bit of a worry if they start moving some
of their production Andrew onto the world stage. Interestingly, that
the current price they are being paid in China at
the moment in New Zealand dollar equivalents about nine dollars
per kilogram of milk solid, so it's still above ours,
but their cost of production is quite a bit higher

(01:18:59):
than ours of the because it's all it's mainly bought
in feed, whereas our dairy system is pasture based. So
China's raw milk production's gone up one percent in May
year on year, two point three percent growth in April,
and we're looking at possibly because we're not sure of
these numbers coming out of China eight point six percent
per annum twenty twenty two, two point nine twenty twenty three.

(01:19:23):
So their self sufficiency, this is the key number. Andrew
and Dairy has grown from seventy percent to eighty five
percent in the past four years. You know, with these
low farm gate prices, China will quickly become a major
exporter of dairying around the world and that could cause
us some issues, not even to mention the market that
where that that is being flooded with some of their products.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
And this also remind them that nearly mind ourselves, at
sixty percent of the New Zealand and formulam exports go
to China. But if they start being self sufficient, then
we lose money.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:19:55):
And a final thought on that one, Andrew, just following
on from your excellent number, is that we do have
an FTA with China and that helps us because the
other big players in the infant formula market are getting
hit hit harder than us, the likes of the Netherlands.
So thank goodness for that FTA.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
With China, because Jamie go the rowers and I thank
you for your time today. All the best, Buddy, so
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Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Program for the first of Augustants and the punts for
the first of the month. I can't believe I'm doing
it that late off to the UK shortly with Vincent McAvennie,
and after the Southport stabbing, of course there was a
lot of misinformation and a whole lot of right wingers
had a bit of a riot, It's fair to say
outside mosts at Southport. Wouldn't you believe it? Despite the
fact there's been much provisit about the level of misinformation

(01:21:02):
about the case that stirred up the right wingers. The
next night they had another riot, and this time outside
Downing Street. So we'll talk to Vincent mcavenni about that
situation and the growing unrest amongst the fire rights very shortly.
But first I want to tell you about my day
and then I'll get Paul Spain on to explain about
my day. But my day it's lovely at the moment

(01:21:23):
doing it. I head this job because normally I do
a breakfast show on a rock radio station called Gold.
You should try it sometime. It's very good. And so
I'm normally up early. I'm not you know, I don't
get to sleep, and at the moment this week I'm
not doing that show. I'm doing this show that means
I sleep. I do some breakfasts and that's lovely. Read
the newspaper, start thinking about what I'm going to say,
go to the gym. So I went to the gym

(01:21:45):
at eight o'clock today and I did a good hour
and a half workout. And as I'm coming home, hot
and sweaty and getting ready to get into it, have
a shower and start writing stuff, I get an alert
that's saying Microsoft Outlook is down. It's a global cyber attack.
It's involving microsofte me emails down. Therefore, we are working

(01:22:05):
with Microsoft on the problem. This caused me great consternation
because how I write my stuff is on Microsoft word
through Outlook and then share it with work on Google.
So if I'm writing at home and I can't email
myself and all that sort of thing, and I can't
use the Google Home to actually sort of mirror the
stuff back, how am I to get these bond mots

(01:22:27):
to myself? So I actually told my producer who phoned
up and we're talking about I said, I'm going to
stick it on my memory stick. I mean, you've got
a memory stick and I've got a memory stick. You're
not supposed to bring memory sticks in because you plug
them into computers, they bring in viruses or viray whatever. Anyway,
I put a memory stick and I was thinking about
that and then we figured out how to get service back.

(01:22:50):
So joining me now is Paul Spain, tech commentator and
Guerrilla Tech CEO.

Speaker 14 (01:22:54):
Hello, Paul, Hello, how are we doing?

Speaker 10 (01:22:56):
And it?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Well, we're good now that we're back online. I'm getting
a bit tired of Microsoft cyber attacks. What's happening here?

Speaker 22 (01:23:03):
Well, you know what we know around today is it
was largely in New Zealand that was impacted. So this
one wasn't, you know, so much of a global issue.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
It was very very.

Speaker 22 (01:23:15):
Focused on New Zealand. And it appears as though what
we're dealing with is something called a distributed denial of
service attack, which you can, if you want to sort
of think of it simply. It's a little bit like
when we have a protest that floods the motorway with
tractors or trucks or some other such thing, and you've

(01:23:36):
got an adversary who is basically trying to trying to
cause problems for Microsoft and Microsoft customers by flooding sort
of certain areas of the internet with with with too
much data or traffic as we call it, and that
brings things to sometimes to a standstill, sometimes just sort

(01:23:58):
of slows slows things down. And that's really what's what's
happened today. Now a lot of people haven't felt the pain,
but other people have, Like me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Who wants to do this sort of thing to us?
I mean, we've got we're in New zeal We've got
no enemies in the world.

Speaker 22 (01:24:15):
Well, there are always folks out to you know, have
an impact. Sometimes that's they want to cause a financial impact,
and then they can put pressure on an organization such
as Microsoft and say, look, we're going to you know,
stop your operation in New Zealand unless you front up
and drop you know, x amount of you know, funds

(01:24:38):
in our direction, usually in cryptocurrency. So basically it's it's
you know, it's used from that perspective of a ransom
or bribery type situation, or it can be you know,
a country, so it can be sort of you know,
politically driven. It can be a country, uh, you know,
a particular cause that someone's trying to push and to

(01:25:01):
make a little bit of a point. So you know,
these are the situations we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
But today's outage we don't know who did it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
No, I haven't.

Speaker 22 (01:25:10):
I haven't seen anything to you know, to indicate that
at this point. And there there are often reasons why
an organization you know, might know but might not just
you know, disclose that publicly at a given point in time,
but you know, maybe we'll share you know, further information.

Speaker 10 (01:25:28):
Down the track.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Was there any data taken.

Speaker 22 (01:25:33):
This type of attack generally the attacker has no access
to you know, to any anybody's data. It's more you
know that that as I say, they're kind of it's
like flooding a motorway. So it's not like they're they're
inside your systems, inside your building and so on. It's
more they're trying to block you get access, you gaining access,

(01:25:54):
rather than than them having having any level of access themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
Did Microsoft were they helpful or were they hindry?

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Look?

Speaker 22 (01:26:06):
You know, I think we expect organizations like Microsoft to
be really well geared up to deal with this type
of attack. Uh, and you know, in in this case, yeah,
maybe they didn't kind of get it quite right in
terms of their their ability to to you know, to
block this and deal with it correctly. Yeah, they I mean, yeah,

(01:26:30):
there's certainly, certainly some culpability, you know, I think too,
you know, to a degree. But you know, depending on
the scale and the and the size of you know,
of this type of attack, you know that there there
probably is a point where a company can can completely
block it. And and there's a point where, yeah, those

(01:26:53):
sort of attackers can can have a level of impact
that We've seen other New Zealand organizations hit with this
type of attack n z X in the past. Uh,
and they you know, maybe didn't have some things quite right,
and that you know, they made some changes and and
you know they eventually you know, got through that and
came back to full operation.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
So Paul, one last question, Okay, And after CrowdStrike and
after realizing how many people use outlook and teams, are we,
in fact, in the business world generally relying on too
small a number of companies to provide our services tech wise,
So it's easy to take out a whole country. It's
easy to almost take out a whole.

Speaker 14 (01:27:35):
World in simple terms.

Speaker 22 (01:27:39):
You know, I would say, yes, I wish there was
more competition, you know, to these these biggest global providers.
And so if you look at a Microsoft three sixty five,
which is what the very large majority of organizations in
New Zealand use for you know, for their core technology,
email and document editing and storage and spreadsheets and so on.

(01:28:04):
They're very very dominant. Google have a very small slice
of that that market here. It would be great, you know,
if Google and others we're more competitive and that it
was split a little bit more evenly. But at the moment,
you know, Microsoft's offerings, you know, are generally, you know,
probably head and shoulders above the competition, and so therefore

(01:28:26):
they hold the you know, the line's share of the market.
It would be much easier if that wasn't the case,
but it's where we're at right now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Absolutely, Paul, Thank you so much. Paul from Gorilla Gorilla
Tech CEO tech commentator. Don't like it when it goes down.
I can tell you that it is a nineteen to seven.
I'm getting some texts after I talked about the far right,
and of course what's been happening outside Downing Street. We'll
talk about this in a few minutes time. I'll also
talk about what happened outside the Muslim mosques. And Andrew says, someone,

(01:28:56):
you are talking the brown stuff. It's not the far right.
As you put it, the majority of Britain and Ireland
are sick of mass immigration and the way the fabric
and values of their society are being destroyed. I know,
of course, I understand that immigration is the big issue
in Europe, it's a big issue in America. Is how
you really determine who's right and left and the immigration
people are normally right. But I understand that, but not

(01:29:18):
in this case. The man who did that, the boy
who did the stamping, was born in Cardiff. He was
not a product of mass immigration. His parents did come
from Rwanda back in the day, but that was perfectly legal,
the same way I came to New Zealand from the
UK with my parents back in the day. It wasn't

(01:29:39):
mass immigration, nor was it fleeing borders or anything like that.
They were as Welsh as Welsh can be, but they
did come from Rwanda. But the far right, and I
include Tom Robinson and this Tommy Robinson sat there saying
it was an Arabic name that was doing it, sat
there saying that these were Muslims that would doing it,

(01:30:00):
sat there and saying all sorts of frankly brown stuff,
and they did it to rile up the anger about
the immigration thing. Now, look, you can debate immigration to
the cows come home, and I'm happy with that, but
I don't like people who lie to prove a point.
And not only that, these lies ended out on riots.
And these lies, by the way, ended out with thirty

(01:30:22):
nine police officers injured because they were hitting them with
you know, bricks and stones. So we'll talk more about
this with Vincent macavinnie in just a few moments time.
This is News Talks AB.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
The world is going crazy. It seems the crazy people
are also going crazy. Like it's no surprise this is true. Hey, okay,
it's now fourteen minutes to seven. Let's go to the
UK and our correspondent today is Vincent Megavini. Hello, Vincent,
good afternoon. What happened today in the case of the
seventeen year old a charge with murder of three Southport

(01:31:11):
girls at the Taylor Swift Dad's party.

Speaker 25 (01:31:15):
Here, Well, this tragic incident up in the north west
of England are still really being felt in the community
and around the country. Three girls, as you mentioned BB
King six, LC dot stand Come seven and nine year
old Alice da Silva died after that ninth attack at
a Taylor Swift themed event in Southport that was at

(01:31:36):
the hands allegedly of a seventeen year old who has
now been charged. Were not able to release his name yet,
but he has been charged with murder of the three
girls and attempted murder of ten others. We know that
eight other children and two adults who are at the
event were injured, some still believed to be in a
critical condition in hospital and have been undergoing surgeries. A

(01:31:58):
number of other girls who are all so at that
class has survived, obviously dealing with the trauma of what
they witnessed. But this is the start of a long
legal process. The police still saying this is not an
act of terrorism. There is no link as has been
falsely claimed on social media to any islamust attack, and
we still don't have any idea of a motive for

(01:32:20):
this crime. But the legal process now starting.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Because yesterday we were reporting on the fact that at
a vigil of course for the girl's trouble actually burst
out and then a nearer mass again, trouble burst out,
and this was because of people who had been misinformed
through social media by bad actors somewhere. Now we hear
even more trouble outside Downing Street.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 25 (01:32:43):
Last night there were huge skirmishes between police and the
far right EDL English Defense League movement. They're sort of
bad actors online of trying to co opt this and
tie it into sort of the immigration debate and the
small boats that crossed the Channel, and so you had
hundreds of them turning up last night in claiming that
they were there to quote protect their children, that our

(01:33:05):
civil disorder ensued. They were violent towards police, They fired
flares at a statue of Winston Churchill and into Downing
Street and one was even spotted giving a Nazi salute
outside Downing Street. So one hundred have been arrested and
the starting to face charges now of disorderly conduct in
the public area, violence towards police officers as well. So

(01:33:30):
pretty ugly scenes last night, stirred up by the likes
of the EDL Tom Robinson, but also some claiming by
Nigel Farage as well, who took instead of the Commons
as he is now an MP to ask questions of
Home Office ministers about what was going on in the town,
took the social media to sort of stir up conspiracy theories,
saying that, you know, he felt something was being hidden

(01:33:50):
and sort of alleging that there was more going on
with this, but not sort of saying what he thought
that was so some ugly scenes playing out after this
horrible incident.

Speaker 3 (01:33:59):
Yes, absolutely, Even though you know this story after story,
showing the links and showing the networks and showing the
teen accounts and social media that we're responsible for sewing
the disinformation, people keep on believing it. What's that about?

Speaker 25 (01:34:14):
Well, there's no cure for stupidity, is there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
As we said, now, how's your economy and what's going
to happen to interest rate and will they be cut?

Speaker 25 (01:34:24):
Well, our economy is doing pretty well compared to a
couple of years ago. We've now got interest we've now
got inflation down at two percent from a high of
over eleven percent, but our interest rates are still at
a sixteen year high, stuck up at five point two
five percent, and the Bank of England has consistently delayed
inflation had come down to that two percent target. By

(01:34:45):
the time two months ago of the last rates decision,
but that decision now this today, the monthly decision, there's
about a sixty percent chance of them being brought down
it's thought by zero point two five basis points to
five percent, which a massive relief to people here struggling
with the highest cost of living pressures and the highest
tax burden since the Second World War. So many homeowners

(01:35:08):
who have mortgages across the country hoping that we're starting
now to see a return, not quite of course, to
the historic lows we had back in the day after
the financial crash of you know, down at zero point
two five percent, but hopefully at least on their way
back down to a more manageable route. Now that we
have a government coming in that is promising to be

(01:35:28):
fiscally disciplined, that might, after the sort of disaster of
Liz Trust's time which caused this massive spike in inflation
rates in interest rates, might start TH's on a path
to recovery.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
Okay, And I guess you can take your mind off
at with the Olympics. I never knew that England was
so good at swimming.

Speaker 25 (01:35:48):
Yeah, Well, I mean this is all down to John
Major who was our Prime minister in the nineteen nineties,
the UK went at or TEAMGB went to the Atlanta
Games and only came back with one gold medal. And
he thought, for a country that's the world's fifth biggest economy,
this isn't good enough. So he had set up our
national lottery and he decided then that the funding for
our athletes would in part come from the national lottery

(01:36:11):
system and that has led to a huge boom in
sports funding across the country, of course, building up to
twenty twelve when we hosted the Games and the UK
you know, getting into consistently the sort of top five
of the medals table. And that is the aim again
this year is to have fifty to seventy gold medals
and that's because of that legacy funding that started then

(01:36:33):
and has gone right through.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
Well we've got one, but hey we're small. Thank you
so much, Vincent, Thanks is Ages Tiven. We've got one
more tonight.

Speaker 14 (01:36:49):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Indeed, in fact wats our biggest chance that cox Us
four men we could get one there and then as
Oli Maclin, Logan, Ulrich, Tom Murray and met McDonald, go
boys go. Apparently the Coxus four had great great thing.
Oh I'll tell you who, Brook Francis and Lucy Spores.
Then the double skulls the women, and they had an
incredible semi final, didn't they And they are racing at

(01:37:12):
nine to eighteen tonight are the COXUS four men. They're
quite late, they're at ten ten Earlier on we've got
Ryan Fox teeing off and golf at seven twenty two.
You don't know if you're going to get to see
that on the old Telly or whatever. And then we've
at seven thirty we've got Emma Tweak in the single
skulls women semi final, and then following that Tom Macintosh

(01:37:34):
the new single skulls men. He's having a crack again.
That's the semi final two. And we wish both of
those guys all the best of, Like we're quite good
at rowing. We're quite good at facing the finish line
backwards and rowing, which is always a good thing. So
we wish them all the best of. Like you can
get all coverage on Gold Sport, which is the AM

(01:37:55):
version of the radio station. I normally walk work on Gold,
which plays great rock, just great rock, but you can
also get it on iHeartRadio. Just look up gold sport,
look up the Olympics and away you go. And the
team is just waking up and getting ready to scream
at you. It is seven to seven News Talks here B.

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Andrew Dickens has been a great week. Not to say
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Think you I agree? Of course, I don't know why
you're sending me these texts now, because you've got another
day to tolerate me. I'm sorry. I have also been
reliably informed that Marcus Lush, the host of the award
winning number one breakfast show right across the nation and

(01:38:46):
every single market, will be taking probably some of the
commentary from the rowing, particularly if it looks like we're
having a gold medal, and even more particularly if he
needs to make himself a cup of tea at that
moment that the race is on and he wants to
walk away and let the commentary team take I'm sure Marcus,
Marcus Marcus will take the chance. And let's after eight today,
so come on, boys and girls. All right, my thanks

(01:39:06):
to the duffmeister Andy Duff, who is our executive producer
today Kenzy of course and ants ants Melitch, what are
we playing?

Speaker 23 (01:39:16):
Umbrella by Rihanna to play us out tonight's Andrew. We
had a thing over the weekend. Ac Milan playing Manchester
City at Yankee Stadium, but of a pre season game.
Rihanna went to the game and she decided she would
take a selfie with three of the players, Christian Pilistic,
Jack Graylish and Eunice Musa from both teams. After she
was done with her selfie, a young fan came in
and he was like, oh, I'd quite like a photo too,

(01:39:37):
But he was like, oh he decided. You know how,
sometimes instead of the selfie, you decide you'll get like
a passing stranger to take a photo for you. So
he looked around, all I wonder who can take the photo,
and he's like, oh, Rihanna, she'll do can you take
a photo? And of course oh, and of course she
was like yeah, I love to and she had quite
a good job. It framed it all up, got them
to do you know pose and everything? And the debate
is did he just not know who Rihanna was? Or

(01:39:59):
did he just not cared? He just needs someone to
take a photo, and he's like, oh, your hand.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
He's just really honest. Her appearance changes depending on the
length of eyelashes at any given time, and she also
wears hoodies a lot. And you know what, on my
social media, I've seen so many pictures of Jack Graylish
and so many people going, oh, I love you, I
love you. I'm saying, why is Jack Graylish in America?
With the basketball and Americans loving him so that? Thank
you for explaining that, Let's play some Rihannah, Let's go

(01:40:23):
home and have some dinner, and then come and do
it again tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (01:40:25):
Bye Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
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