August 7, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jordan Williams from the Taxpayer's Union and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issue of the day - and more!
Councillor Murray Chong has spoken up about feeling threatened after he found a bullet dent in his ute ahead of the Māori ward vote. How appalling is this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Results on the huddle to me this evening, who we've
got Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame,
host of Q and A Saturday mornings on Newstalk ZB two.
Hello you guys, Jordan, what do you make of how
ugly this Marti Ward debate has actually turned?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am my heart think when I read the story
this morning. It just yesterday, the Taxpayer Union we published
a full page in the Dominion Post calling on political
leaders to call out those political parties and political leaders
using frankly violent and drawing on extremist rhetoric. What really
(00:40):
concerned us was a series of means that leaned on
violent references with muskets and things like that, and calling
the government genocidal.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
For example, you're basically talking about the Marti Party, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, we are the era, and we were saying that
actually Labor need to call that out and the Greens
need to call that out, and simply saying oh well,
I wouldn't have said that, but not calling it out
for what it is. It's a dangerous precedent. And we
said that The thing is is that for you know,
it is only language, and you know, as you know,
I'm a free speech absolutist, but it does mean you
can call it for what it is and say New
(01:17):
Zealand we shouldn't go there. And then just twenty four
hours later we have this happen over this very issue.
My heart thinks we have this is not the New
Zealand I know and love when we have a democratically
elected official standing up in tears and look, this isn't
a shrinking violet. I mean, he's go. I've had death
(01:38):
threats before, but now that I'm a father, I would
have to be more timid because the game and someone's
shot a bullet into the side of his truck and
they drive by. Holy moly. Why isn't this leading when news?
I find it alarming?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I agree with you Jack. How long is have we
got to this point that people who are so pro Mary. Look,
we don't know for sure that this is what's going
on with Mary Chong. He believes it is. But even in Kuiperer,
how is it that people who are so pro MARII
Mary Woods have got so feral on it?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well? Yeah, I think I think that is an important
caveat first of all, we don't know for certain that
this is related to Mardi Wards, and there are lots
of contentious things happening in councils at the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We do know the streets were we do know that earlier. Yes,
we don't know that person.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Required to gon Yeah, and and and you know, I
think universally we just have to condemn anything like this,
any form of political violence. This is totally unacceptable in
my so. Yeah, I agree, uughly appalling regardless of his
of of marriy Chong's views on anything related to his counsel,
business or political opinions, this kind of response is totally unjustified.
(02:45):
Why do I think that the Maori Wards debates has
become so feel what I think, as Sajohn Key alluded
to it the National Party conference at the weekend. I
think tensions around Ewie Crown relations and we trick that
is being used is at a very high level at
the moment because the government has moved very quickly to
(03:06):
change direction from the previous government.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Can I say jack something on this because I was
reflecting on this earlier, right, the government has yes changed
direction really quickly, but the labor government previously changed direction
on this very subject very quickly as well. And yet
I don't live me just finished my thoughts, and the
opposition to what Nanaima Hootera did did did not get
this feral. So why is it the feral in one
direction and not the other?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think I don't want to speak to her, but
I think actually Niamhota would have experienced some.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Would get about that. Talk about what we are seeing
in public?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Right, Well, we'll hang on. When do me forget about that?
That's the whole point you've just said, Because.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, Jack, the point what I'm trying to say is
forget about what I'm the who is personally experiencing, because
otherwise we have to go and trall through what Sam
and Brown is personally experiencing, and we don't know and
what every other leading figure is so just just and
I are winged about it in public? We don't know.
But look at what we're seeing in public, what is
in the news and public, and it is much more
intense in one direction than the other.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I don't know that you can quantify it that way
and say that's much more I mean, I think it's
bad across the board. And I think all parties, including
those parties using terms like genocide, all parties need to
take the heat out of a conversation. I think the
party are responsible even racist.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know, the former New Plymouth mere It basically called
anyone who justs agreed with him a racist. That's the
sort of that's what started us on on the sort
of path you know that we I mean, it's sort
of the end result of cancel culture. Once you start
calling people racists and trying to shut down that debate,
you do inflame a sort of a sort of out
(04:44):
the mob. And eventually what we warned about literally in
the full page ad yesterday calling for people to sign
the public Better is that you know this could lead
to bad places. In less than twenty four hours later,
here is a bad place. I think that that all parties,
including the Maori parties, should be saying, look, we don't
(05:05):
want to we don't want to go here. And look
I I look at the we put an email to
the couple of thousand people that put their name to
that that letter and today pulling this out and I
just said, you know, this is not the mu zeal
on it that I know in mars and in that
(05:26):
I've lost my train of sort sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hit about it.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Jordan jack Well, I I agree with Jordan. I think
it would be impactful if political leaders like to party.
Maldi said, Hey, actually, this kind of this this you know,
if we are if we are having if we are
having violence political violence, And I say, because we haven't
had that one hundred concerned in this case, but if
we are having political violence relating to this issue, that's
(05:54):
totally unacceptable. The problem is that, I would say, the
peoples on the fringes of this argument, some people in
the friend of this argument see it as beneficial to
their cause to throw fuel on the fire. On both
sides can also say can I can I also say that,
you know you just characterized in Anayama hooter is winging
about it. I mean, just just think about your own
(06:15):
language here the way, and that you have just very
very quickly, very reflexively, just completely minimized her experience. She
will have had some of the most appalling abuse of
any modern modern place. I have to agree with her.
I'm not saying you have to agree with her, but
you've just said, oh, yeah, she's one is Murray Chong.
Absolutely we all agree he's a victim. I agree, Marray
(06:36):
Chong's a victim too. But then when you don't use
that kind of language, I mean, it's it's you're playing
into exactly the kind of problem you describe it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yep, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
All right, we'll take a break the huddle with New
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Speaker 2 (06:51):
Back with the huddle, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams. Jack, do
you reckon we're being too hard on the canoeists or
was it the most embarrassing New Zealand performance at the
Olympics ever?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I don't about ever, but certainly at these Olympics, I
don't think we've been too hard on them. I think
it was embarrassing. I think given the standards of the
ENDOC supposedly said it around selecting for our other athletes
and other sports, it was a disgrace. I mean, honestly
it was. My wife always scoffed at me because I
did that classic like mean thing where I'm like, oh,
how would I fear if I was competing against these
(07:21):
world class athletes in this extremely difficult event. But that
was one sport where even she had to agree that
maybe if I was out there on the course and
I had to win at my back, perhaps even I
could have been send them across the line.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Jordan? Your producer was trying to go me to say,
this is an outrageous waste of tax payer money and
all that sort of thing, which might all be true,
but maybe it's not a conturion And it's probably my
worst nightmare is sort of waking up and having to
be having to be an all black and the embarrassment
that I've got zero skilled in this area. But like
(07:55):
these guys, knowing they were taking the proverbial, who've got
a free trip to Paris, got to see the village,
have all the fun, pretend to be elite athletes, knowing
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But more importantly, more importantly, they get to compete in
the thing that they're supposed to compete in, which is kayaking.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean, on the other hand, I sort of
got it, like again, it's a problemmaking thurer in this.
I'm like, god on you mate, what is it? What
is more New Zealand and like a free CONTACTI through
France village?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Do you realize though, that they're not actually canoeists like that,
they're just to get into the kayak.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Taking the I understand that. I mean they by by
competing in the C two they could also compete in
the K four, in which they didn't totally humiliate themselves.
I think they they made it through to the second round, right,
but it was hardly like a totally dazzling performance. Look,
I just watching that if the if the plan was
not to try in the sea too, which I think
(08:54):
that was the plan because they need to save the
energy for the K four. I mean, it just makes
for a bit of an embarrassing spectacle.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Is embarrassed on canoeing? Isn't canoeing? Actually? The thing that
is the most embarrassing here that that that Jordan, that
you can have people who don't even know how to
canoe make it into.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Sports bodies at the Olympics are hardly covering themselves and.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Laurie, Yeah, surely the qualification standards. That's that's the truly
embarrassing thing about this. The loophole is the most embarrassing
thing you've brought me around.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
How about that? All right?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's the huddle this evening Jordan Williams and Jack Same.
Thanks very much, guys for your times.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty unparalleled reach and.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Results on the huddle to me this evening, who we've
got Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame,
host of Q and A Saturday mornings on Newstalk ZB two.
Hello you guys, Jordan, what do you make of how
ugly this Marti Ward debate has actually turned?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am my heart think when I read the story
this morning. It just yesterday, the Taxpayer Union we published
a full page in the Dominion Post calling on political
leaders to call out those political parties and political leaders
using frankly violent and drawing on extremist rhetoric. What really
(00:40):
concerned us was a series of means that leaned on
violent references with muskets and things like that, and calling
the government genocidal.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
For example, you're basically talking about the Marti Party, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, we are the era, and we were saying that
actually Labor need to call that out and the Greens
need to call that out, and simply saying oh well,
I wouldn't have said that, but not calling it out
for what it is. It's a dangerous precedent. And we
said that The thing is is that for you know,
it is only language, and you know, as you know,
I'm a free speech absolutist, but it does mean you
can call it for what it is and say New
(01:17):
Zealand we shouldn't go there. And then just twenty four
hours later we have this happen over this very issue.
My heart thinks we have this is not the New
Zealand I know and love when we have a democratically
elected official standing up in tears and look, this isn't
a shrinking violet. I mean, he's go. I've had death
(01:38):
threats before, but now that I'm a father, I would
have to be more timid because the game and someone's
shot a bullet into the side of his truck and
they drive by. Holy moly. Why isn't this leading when news?
I find it alarming?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I agree with you Jack. How long is have we
got to this point that people who are so pro Mary. Look,
we don't know for sure that this is what's going
on with Mary Chong. He believes it is. But even in Kuiperer,
how is it that people who are so pro MARII
Mary Woods have got so feral on it?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Well? Yeah, I think I think that is an important
caveat first of all, we don't know for certain that
this is related to Mardi Wards, and there are lots
of contentious things happening in councils at the moment.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We do know the streets were we do know that earlier. Yes,
we don't know that person.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Required to gon Yeah, and and and you know, I
think universally we just have to condemn anything like this,
any form of political violence. This is totally unacceptable in
my so. Yeah, I agree, uughly appalling regardless of his
of of marriy Chong's views on anything related to his counsel,
business or political opinions, this kind of response is totally unjustified.
(02:45):
Why do I think that the Maori Wards debates has
become so feel what I think, as Sajohn Key alluded
to it the National Party conference at the weekend. I
think tensions around Ewie Crown relations and we trick that
is being used is at a very high level at
the moment because the government has moved very quickly to
(03:06):
change direction from the previous government.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Can I say jack something on this because I was
reflecting on this earlier, right, the government has yes changed
direction really quickly, but the labor government previously changed direction
on this very subject very quickly as well. And yet
I don't live me just finished my thoughts, and the
opposition to what Nanaima Hootera did did did not get
this feral. So why is it the feral in one
direction and not the other?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think I don't want to speak to her, but
I think actually Niamhota would have experienced some.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Would get about that. Talk about what we are seeing
in public?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Right, Well, we'll hang on. When do me forget about that?
That's the whole point you've just said, Because.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, Jack, the point what I'm trying to say is
forget about what I'm the who is personally experiencing, because
otherwise we have to go and trall through what Sam
and Brown is personally experiencing, and we don't know and
what every other leading figure is so just just and
I are winged about it in public? We don't know.
But look at what we're seeing in public, what is
in the news and public, and it is much more
intense in one direction than the other.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I don't know that you can quantify it that way
and say that's much more I mean, I think it's
bad across the board. And I think all parties, including
those parties using terms like genocide, all parties need to
take the heat out of a conversation. I think the
party are responsible even racist.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
You know, the former New Plymouth mere It basically called
anyone who justs agreed with him a racist. That's the
sort of that's what started us on on the sort
of path you know that we I mean, it's sort
of the end result of cancel culture. Once you start
calling people racists and trying to shut down that debate,
you do inflame a sort of a sort of out
(04:44):
the mob. And eventually what we warned about literally in
the full page ad yesterday calling for people to sign
the public Better is that you know this could lead
to bad places. In less than twenty four hours later,
here is a bad place. I think that that all parties,
including the Maori parties, should be saying, look, we don't
(05:05):
want to we don't want to go here. And look
I I look at the we put an email to
the couple of thousand people that put their name to
that that letter and today pulling this out and I
just said, you know, this is not the mu zeal
on it that I know in mars and in that
(05:26):
I've lost my train of sort sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hit about it.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Jordan jack Well, I I agree with Jordan. I think
it would be impactful if political leaders like to party.
Maldi said, Hey, actually, this kind of this this you know,
if we are if we are having if we are
having violence political violence, And I say, because we haven't
had that one hundred concerned in this case, but if
we are having political violence relating to this issue, that's
(05:54):
totally unacceptable. The problem is that, I would say, the
peoples on the fringes of this argument, some people in
the friend of this argument see it as beneficial to
their cause to throw fuel on the fire. On both
sides can also say can I can I also say that,
you know you just characterized in Anayama hooter is winging
about it. I mean, just just think about your own
(06:15):
language here the way, and that you have just very
very quickly, very reflexively, just completely minimized her experience. She
will have had some of the most appalling abuse of
any modern modern place. I have to agree with her.
I'm not saying you have to agree with her, but
you've just said, oh, yeah, she's one is Murray Chong.
Absolutely we all agree he's a victim. I agree, Marray
(06:36):
Chong's a victim too. But then when you don't use
that kind of language, I mean, it's it's you're playing
into exactly the kind of problem you describe it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yep, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
All right, we'll take a break the huddle with New
Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional Marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Back with the huddle, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams. Jack, do
you reckon we're being too hard on the canoeists or
was it the most embarrassing New Zealand performance at the
Olympics ever?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I don't about ever, but certainly at these Olympics, I
don't think we've been too hard on them. I think
it was embarrassing. I think given the standards of the
ENDOC supposedly said it around selecting for our other athletes
and other sports, it was a disgrace. I mean, honestly
it was. My wife always scoffed at me because I
did that classic like mean thing where I'm like, oh,
how would I fear if I was competing against these
(07:21):
world class athletes in this extremely difficult event. But that
was one sport where even she had to agree that
maybe if I was out there on the course and
I had to win at my back, perhaps even I
could have been send them across the line.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Jordan? Your producer was trying to go me to say,
this is an outrageous waste of tax payer money and
all that sort of thing, which might all be true,
but maybe it's not a conturion And it's probably my
worst nightmare is sort of waking up and having to
be having to be an all black and the embarrassment
that I've got zero skilled in this area. But like
(07:55):
these guys, knowing they were taking the proverbial, who've got
a free trip to Paris, got to see the village,
have all the fun, pretend to be elite athletes, knowing
the whole time.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
But more importantly, more importantly, they get to compete in
the thing that they're supposed to compete in, which is kayaking.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, I mean, on the other hand, I sort of
got it, like again, it's a problemmaking thurer in this.
I'm like, god on you mate, what is it? What
is more New Zealand and like a free CONTACTI through
France village?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Do you realize though, that they're not actually canoeists like that,
they're just to get into the kayak.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Taking the I understand that. I mean they by by
competing in the C two they could also compete in
the K four, in which they didn't totally humiliate themselves.
I think they they made it through to the second round, right,
but it was hardly like a totally dazzling performance. Look,
I just watching that if the if the plan was
not to try in the sea too, which I think
(08:54):
that was the plan because they need to save the
energy for the K four. I mean, it just makes
for a bit of an embarrassing spectacle.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Is embarrassed on canoeing? Isn't canoeing? Actually? The thing that
is the most embarrassing here that that that Jordan, that
you can have people who don't even know how to
canoe make it into.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Sports bodies at the Olympics are hardly covering themselves and.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Laurie, Yeah, surely the qualification standards. That's that's the truly
embarrassing thing about this. The loophole is the most embarrassing
thing you've brought me around.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
How about that? All right?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
That's the huddle this evening Jordan Williams and Jack Same.
Thanks very much, guys for your times.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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