Full Show Podcast: 7 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
New Stork said b.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,
the Polkinghorn trial is now focused on Polkinghorn's mistress and hookers.
We're going to speak to our reporter who's been in court.
The unemployment number is up, but not as high as expected,
so Jared kurv Kiwibank will explain what that means for
the ocr decision next week. And the Maori ward debate
appears to have turned quite ugly, and New Plymouth counselor

(00:35):
reckons his car was shot at will speak to the mayor.
Heather Duplessy Allen Well, I reckon we're being a little
harsh on these canoeing boys. A. I mean, people are
getting way too worked up about this. One of the
most most outlandish suggestions that I've seen is the one
that this is the most embarrassing performance at the Olympics.
I mean, get a grip. If this was them, if
this was their chosen sport, then yes, absolutely it would

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be incredibly embarrassing that they are that bad at it.
But it's not their chosen sport, is it. They're not canoeists,
the kayakers, and they were only doing the canoeing the
C two in order to be able to perform in
the four man kayaking the K four. It's basically because
of a quirk in the rules that they came to
be participating in the canoeing. Because what happened is New

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Zealand wanted to compete in the K four, but we
didn't qualify for the K four. But the sports bosses
were quite clever and they realized they could still qualify
for the K four through a technicality if they got
a crew into the Olympics for the C two. This
is the canoeing, right so that would automatically give them
a spot in the K four because there was already
a K two, a two man kayaking kayaking team going.

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So the K two crew plus the C two crew
equals K four crew. See, and that's how we got in.
That's why the guys were so shocking at the canoeing
because they're not actually canoeists. They've only been doing this
for three months basically to be able to just show
up and do the race, they didn't even try by
the way, that wasn't them trying right, They could have
done a lot better than that. They actually threw the

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race because they're preserving themselves for the K four races,
which is the one that they actually care about, and
they had to do two of those races in the
same day, and that's smart. Why waste your energy doing
something you're not any good at when you could preserve
it for something you might be good at. And think
about the counterfactual. Right, if you're upset about this, are
you seriously suggesting that the sports bosses, knowing full well

(02:23):
that there was a technical way for them to get
those two boys to the Olympics for the K four,
which is their sport, should have said, nah, nah, we
know there's a way, but we're not going to do it.
AM not going to do it because I don't because
for whatever dumb reason not going to do it. Come on,
would we really have preferred the bosses didn't send our
kayakers to the Olympics just because there was maybe the
outside chances that were gonna be a little embarrassing in

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the canoeing. The bosses got clever, They exploited a rule
got on them.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Heather duplessy Ellen, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Darcy Waldgrave will have an opinion on that, and just
a Texas standby for that. Right now. It's ten past four,
nine two, nine to two if you w on awigh
on it. Obviously. On another subject, the Chief Onboodsman has
named and shamed two schools for failing to act fairly
when children face either disciplinary action or you know, have
decisions on enrollment ahead of them. Saint Peter's College board
has excluded a student for buying and smoking marijuana, and

(03:15):
Kashmir High School had declined enrollment for an out of
school out of his own student but didn't explain it
well enough to the parents. Now the on Boodsman is
threatening that he might actually get the government involved over this.
Chief Onwardsman Peter bowches with us. Now, hey Peter, good
afternoon here though, okay, on Saint Peter's is the problem
that they kicked the marijuana smoking kid out? Or was
the problem their record keeping around it?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Can I say this by way of introducing this to
you here? What is that the outset I acknowledged the
importance of school boards of trustees and that they are
often parents and volunteers, but the work they do is
incredibly important. When they exercise a disciplinary function for children
and children's parents, you know, the results can can life

(04:00):
long and so here I was critical actually at both
boards of trustees, but in relation to Saint Peter's you
know what most irritated me. We endeavored to engage, We
endeavored to suggest a way through where we could resolve this,
and they simply would not do so. And at the
end of the day, I felt that if people are
going to say, of the mbits mean you don't matter,

(04:22):
We'll do what we want. I just don't think that's
good enough. And I don't think New Zealanders think I
should accept.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
It no fair enough. So they wouldn't communicate with you
at all.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, they would that they refuse to engage and give
any good reason why they wouldn't adopt my recommendation. So look,
we go through a process of investigating, We form a view,
we give people a chance to comment, and if it's
a really good, potent comment, then we take it into
accountain can often reformed that our view. They just wouldn't

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give any good reason and just essentially from their nose
at our jurisdiction.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Was your recommendation well in that case there it.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Was mostly in relation to their form of communication, which
we felt was this is to the parents, which was
just not on. We recommended that they apologize for all
of the inadequacies in the way they went about it.
We recommended that the student's disciplinary record be amended and
have something attached to it. And then we said that

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a board, when it's doing a decision like this, should
have a clear process, should articulate it and abide by
it so that it won't have again in the future.
We didn't interfere whether it's decision to exclude. What we
said was you've got to let parents know what you're
doing and why.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, fair enough, okay, and Kashmi high same problem. Not
enough communication with the parents.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Absolutely, And I just don't know what's so wrong worth
failing to apologize. It's not that difficult. And you know,
I find in this job what most people really want
to have their mana restored. And I think if the
schools have apologized, we wouldn't be talking on the radio
right now. And what we're wanting to do with this
is not just the punitive but set up by don't

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so they get it right for the future.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Peter, thank you very much, really appreciate it. That's Peter Bosher,
who is the chief on boodsman. Now St. Peter's College
agreed to two of the recommendations, but the board will
not apologize for excluding the student. And the headmaster, James
Bentley is with us. Now, hey, James, good after why
wouldn't you apologize?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Well, basically, the board Beliezer made the right decision. Yeah,
that it was a serious matter, and so they made
the decision that they would continue to agree to the exclusion.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
What about okay, and what about what Peter was saying
that you guys basically thumbed your nose at his recommendations.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Can I just go back a little bit on that.
I'm a little bit surprised at what he said. We
didn't engage. We've spent this happened two years ago, and
we spent two years engaging with the on boodsman and
it's been back and forward for two years. We'd certainly
explained our reasons for why we wouldn't apologize, And look,
can I just say, look, we understand that there are
some people in society who don't see marijuana as in

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schools is a big deal these days. But our boarder trustees,
who represents our community, they saw it as a serious
matter and they stand by the exclusion.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And did you communicate with the parents properly?

Speaker 6 (07:21):
We believe we did.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yes, we did. We believe we did.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
What did you do that the Onwoodsman reckons you didn't do.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
One of the things he said was that in our
decision making process we were to keep more accurate notes.
The board was to keep more accurate notes in their
delerations and be able to present that to him so
that he could see that the board actually went through
all the different options that were available to them. The
board did do that, but his belief was that the
notes weren't as detailed. We complied with that. And the
other thing which he asked for was for the decision

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to be attached to the student's file. So we did
comply with that. So those two we did agree with.
But the board said that they would not be apologizing
to the parents.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I feel like it's a reasonably big deal for Peter
Bosher to have named and shamed you guys.

Speaker 7 (08:04):
What do you think?

Speaker 5 (08:05):
Yeah, we're a little bit surprised, and you know, marijuana
buying and using as an legal activity. And you know,
I hold the view as many schools do, if not
all schools, that they had no place in our schools.
And we hoped that the ubuds mol have supported us
on this, but unfortunately he took a different approach.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
James, thank you very much for having a chat to us.
I really appreciate it. James Bentleys and Peter's college headmaster.
Back to the Olympics. The Algerian boxer at the center
of that gender role is through to the finals. So
if anybody's going to be upset about anything, they're going
to be upset about it on Friday, right this is
the bit where it gets kind of a bit crunchy.

(08:41):
She beat her taire opponent in the semi finals overnight
beat her five zero. So yeah, she's boxing on Friday
and guaranteed either a gold or silver medal depending on
how things go. Basically had a clean run by the
looks of things the Olympics, and I would say gold
is odds on favorite for gold right now, sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
Drive with one New Zealand one give Leap for business
US talks'd.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Be Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters with me right now. Hey, Darce,
I'm expecting you to come in hot with your opinions
about why the C two five hundred canoeists were so embarrassing.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Means to an end, that's what it was.

Speaker 9 (09:20):
Sur It's pretty It's pretty simple for me that they
found an opportunity to qualify the K four get the
rollers there that they wanted. The rollers knew, the kayakers new,
the canoe is new when they got there after only
three months of training, they were going to get stone cold, moveless.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
They knew that they were.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Under nassy illusion. There wasn't like two meters between us
and this desk guy would lean over and give you
a high five right now? You really yeah, because you
know what I think is going on here. We have
got a complex in this country about needing to overperform,
and anytime somebody does like, it's all like so embarrassing
for us. We're taking this person no deculous.

Speaker 9 (09:58):
There are the guys in the canoe. They're probably not
feeling great about it, but they knew. That's not like
they went, oh wow, we're getting flogged by hundreds of meat,
did they what a surprise, And they went it was
going a bit of a ghost like, because we're geting
in a four later on, and that's what you want.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
To do, even seated in the thing properly were they
to me?

Speaker 9 (10:16):
I looked at it when it was not ideal, But
they knew.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
They knew how good? Hey listen though, aren't there some
questions to answer here about canoeing, like how stink is
your sport? If New Zealand can make it in with
two guys who've done none of the stuff by beating
a sixty and a seventy year.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
Old, it wasn't even them that did it. The qualified
by some other guys. And you know they only won
that race by about three seconds.

Speaker 8 (10:40):
They didn't even thrash.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Them against the seventy year old.

Speaker 10 (10:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (10:43):
Well, and there was also a fifty year old thinking
there's some one boat?

Speaker 11 (10:46):
Is that right?

Speaker 9 (10:47):
Look, they found a reason, they found a way to
exploit the laws. Maybe that's not the best word exploitation.
It's never a good technic calories. Yeah, and went okay,
you know what, we can do this and we're going
to go that way. There was the K one one
thousand guy who couldn't get through, but trying to get
hold them to make comment on this. The powers that
be said, look, this is the way we're going. It's

(11:08):
going to be best for us, and you guys have
all got to buy and we're going to play the game.
I suppose at a higher level you look at the
Olympics and you look at INC and you look at
the Olympic Games full stop, and go, hey, do you
know what happened? This is really your fault because without
the law that you put in place, this would never
have had this. So if anybody's going to take the
slap in the face, it's going to be the higher authority,

(11:31):
not connunities. Are you going to high five me again?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
No, I'm going to ask you whether they're going to
do any good at the K four.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
The K four just sneaked in, just sneaked in.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
So they came fourth out of fifth in their first heat,
and then they came second in their second, which suggests
they improve their performance a bit. Yeah, and they're in
the B final.

Speaker 8 (11:49):
They sneaked in. Look I don't, I'm not.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
There's no faux outrage from me. There's no people lose.
People come last and they new I mean you look
at we go back to Edie the Eagle. Edwards, he
knew he was going to get absolutely flogged, but he
went there anyway. Eric, he knew he was going to
be an absolute disaster, but he went there anyway.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Good times.

Speaker 9 (12:12):
You know the Jamaican Bob Slid team, they knew it
was going to be but they went there. They had
their Olympic experience. And if you look at the Olympic
Games and you look at the people that run up
the rear, the tail enders, they're everywhere sport, there's someone
who's a disaster and the Olympic.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
All of the other guys that you've mentioned are guys
who are participating in their chosen sport. These guys are not.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
There's an argument that says that that was their chosen
sport because they qualified. See too, it's not.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Don't worry about what's coming up. Over so much good,
Thank you, Darcy, You're wonderful. Darcy will be back this
evening seven o'clock with Sports Talk taking your calls.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah fo three, then you trust to get the answers
you need either duple c Allen with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
As they'd be the Bentley one Bosha zero Heather as
a parent of a current Saint Peter's student, I'm in
full support of the school board and their decision. The
purchase in the use of marijuana is illegal, and while
the board's note taking might have been better, the decision
to exclude was entirely reasonable. That's from Barbara Barrus. Is
good on Saint Peter's discipline and consequences is what is
lacking at our society. Carmala Harris, as we said yesterday,

(13:26):
she has picked her running mate. Today. She went for
Tim Waltz of Minnesota, which surprised quite a few people because,
by the way, Tim Waltz is sixty ay, Brad Pitt's
sixty ay ay. Now, if you know what Tim Waltz
looks like, you know the power of a good moisturizer.
You got to find out what Brad Put's putting on
his face and put that on his face too, because

(13:48):
there's a big difference in sixty anyway, I'm totally digressing.
It surprised quite a few people that she picked Tim
Waltz because Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania was widely considered to
be the front runner. So the question is white and
go with Josh Shapiro. Well, according to the Washington correspondent
Cap Fisher, who's used by a fear few media in
this country, there are a bunch of reasons that Josh

(14:08):
Shapiro wasn't picked, including this.

Speaker 12 (14:11):
There's also the fact he's Jewish, and although he has
criticized nastagna Who's behavior in the war in Israel in Gaza,
there is obviously that is a difficult thing for that
the Harris campaign to deal with, and perhaps they thought
that would take that off the table for them.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Excuse me, excuse me, what the hell is going on
that we think that this is an okay thing?

Speaker 13 (14:39):
What like?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Are we living in that kind of society now where
apparently it's absolutely fine for us to just say out loud, no,
he's Jewish. Now, you can't pick him because he's your
awkward awkward you can't what like? I mean, I can
understand that we've got ourselves into a wicky little place
where we think it's okay to be like, oh, you
can't pick him because he's white, because generally we equate
white males with having power. You cannot say the same

(15:02):
of Jewish people. I mean, White people have been in
charge of the world for like donkeys years, for centuries,
so I can understand that you might have a bit
of a gripe against a white man. But Jewish people
have been appressed for millennia and we are lucky that
in the last eighty years they haven't been oppressed. But
that's a blip, that's an aberration in history. Like what
a crazy and outlandish thing to say. Also, FYI to

(15:23):
anybody who thinks like this, being Jewish does not equal
being Israeli, those are two completely different. I just think
this is wild, Like how crazy are the Democrats if
that is the kind of decision they're making anyway, dam Mitchison, Wow,
dam Mitchensen's going to be with us shortly and talk
through where he thinks this thing is going. I've got
to get you a cross the unemployment numbers because it's
not looking good for an OCR cut next week. And

(15:44):
the headlines are next.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
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Speaker 2 (15:55):
Neither dup to c Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected a news talk as it'd be the
better of the thing that I've gone.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Right, Barry sobers with us in politics in ten minutes time.
These are the unemployment numbers, the ones that we got
out today. It's worse, but not as bad as we thought.
Therefore probably not bad enough to lead to a Reserve
Bank interst rate cup next week. But hey, we'll stand
by and see. So we were expecting four point seven
percent unemployment, it came in at four point six. Hit
the young ones the hardest. Apparently almost half the unemployment

(16:35):
in just the last year has been young people aged
between fifteen and twenty four. They always are the ones
who get hit the hardest, and it's tough for them
in terms of like I spare thought for them because
it's the start of their careers and this is a
tough thing to have to go through. In total, in
the last year, unemployment has gone from ninety thousand people
to one hundred and forty three thousand people. The good
news's wages are still rising up four point three percent

(16:58):
in the year, which is more than inflation. Because the
CPI over the same period is three point three, So
four point three you're better off than the three four
point three coming in three point three Going out, we're
going to have a chat to Jared kirk Ky, we
Bank's chief economist ten past five about that Heather Krmala
Harris is Cray Cray. Now, the idea that she didn't
pick Josh Shapiro because he's Jewish is actually is actually

(17:21):
totally believable because Karmala Harris is a bit Craig Gray.
Somebody pointed this out to me, and the longtime politics
watcher pointed this out to me on Monday. Krmala Harris
has got the same vibe as Jinda about her. It's
all about the fields and not much about the actual does.
So the reason people love her is the same reason
that people loved Jasinda ardun Right, because I mean because

(17:43):
she was a lady and she was young, and she
was kind and lovely and yeah, it made us feel
so good about ourselves and all kindness, kindness, And Karmla's
got that same kind of like vibe about her. Where's
it's what she represents more than actually what she does, right,
because she's a woman of color, well she's off color,
and she's a woman and all that kind of stuff
is actually more important than what she's actually gonna do

(18:06):
and and in fact, what she's already done. So just
keep an eye on that because we may just be
seeing a repeat of the same stuff that we've been through,
this time just playing out in the States. Twenty two
away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
They'd be drive so over on in the States. On
the same subject, Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz has appeared on
stage with Karmela Atta rally in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
We just gotta fight.

Speaker 10 (18:28):
We just gotta fight because as soon to be President
Harris says, when.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
We fight, we were. One of the reasons she'll have
picked him is that he's been a fairly strong critic
of both Donald Trump and Jade Vance.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Well, it's true.

Speaker 8 (18:42):
These guys are just weird and it is you know,
they're running for key Man Women Haters Club or something.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
That's what they got. That's not what people are interested yet.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, Yah Sinoir has been chosen as the new overall
leader of Hamas. Prior to this, he's been serving as
the leader of the group inside the Gaza Strip and
he's at the top of Israel's most want Listen. Here's
how mus spokesperson Osamahandan.

Speaker 14 (19:03):
Do you Sinwell was chosen unanimously and This shows that
the movement is aware of the nature of all the
difficulties that it's facing. Negotiations were managed by leadership, and
Sinwell was always present.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
And finally.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
He's right.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Two sharks and in the Querium and Italy have proven
that they don't need no man but both ladies a
lady hound sharks. The two of them have been giving
birth to healthy pup since twenty sixteen, even though neither
of them has been near a boy shark for fourteen years.
Or how does that work?

Speaker 15 (19:33):
Well?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Scientists have learned from this that hound sharks can reproduce
asexually once a year if there aren't any boys around.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
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Speaker 3 (19:46):
Jan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US Now, Hey Dan.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Hey, Heather.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So what do you make of Tim Waltz?

Speaker 10 (19:52):
Well, I make the fact that he is the same
age as Brad pet and who's got the better genes?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
They're both sixty? Can you believe that?

Speaker 16 (20:01):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Okay, So we were aware of this because you had
alluded us to this, and I went and I'll put
the pictures of the two lads next to each other,
and I thought, Jays, you're unlucky Tim.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (20:12):
I mean he's a former teacher. I think he caught
a few people I surprise. He's Midwestern governor, military veteran,
big union supporter, and I think really what Kamala Harris
was looking for, and she didn't know a lot about
him until this weekend that one on one meeting, sat down.
Liked a lot of what he brought, liked the fact
that he's been going after Trump, and thinks that he

(20:33):
will help her across the Midwest. But what insiders have
said is that they just clicked and that was really
important to her, you know, and it has to be
when you're going to be spending that much time possibly
with somebody, and certainly over the next you know, three
months or so.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
She vibed with him, didn't she. And one of the
things that he is probably most notable for is that
he actually started the thing that the Democrats now regularly use,
which is saying Republicans are weird? Didn't he He did?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, he's kind of had the.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Nail on the hate though, because they are a bit,
haven't they?

Speaker 10 (21:02):
Well they are, I mean, both both sides are, and
it's going to be interesting to see if he gets
to a chance to debate JD.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Vance.

Speaker 10 (21:11):
I think he's got a lot more experience, and quite honestly,
I think Vance has been a little bit of a
disappointment to two Republicans. Republicans don't like this guy. They
think he's way too much to the left. They think
he's a socialist. So we'll see how this works out
for Kamalay Harris.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well, what are the policies that he's done for.

Speaker 10 (21:28):
Well, he's done a lot with child tax credits over here,
and gun safety and access to reproductive health, so all
the things that the Democrats like, all the things that
Kamala Harris has been talking about across and he's just
down to earth, quite honestly. I mean, before he got
into politics, he was a teacher, he was a football coach.
I mean one of the first things I read about
him when it came out was he's got this affinity

(21:50):
for diet mountain dew. And I thought, well, of all
the things to put in the first couple of sentences
about a guy that's running for vice president is this,
And that's about as Midwest as you can get.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I think, Hey, how much a Snoop Dog getting paid
for being over at the Olympics.

Speaker 10 (22:05):
Well, according to your producer, not enough, because he is
the star of the Olympics. Actually, about five hundred thousand
dollars a day is what y a day? Is what
some are saying that he's getting for being a correspondent
for NBC and Petecock.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
And whether or not that is true, I.

Speaker 10 (22:25):
Mean, he's adding a lot of color to the commentary.
He's been getting big hits on social media. He's brought
some laughs to the Olympics. He's covering all these different
kinds of sports, and he's helping them rake in the money.
They've already brought in over a billion dollars in advertising
and that is just the most amount that they have
ever seen for an Olympics game here and they're still

(22:46):
selling ads too.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Hey well how about that for and especially given that
he will be doing it wall stoned, that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 10 (22:52):
I Well, I mean, let me ask you this, when
you've seen Snoop, can you tell the difference putween when
he is and when he is?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh, because he's never not, He's always I'm pretty sure
as a constant state of debriation. Hey, so Matthew Perry's death.
Now there are some reports that suggested the charges are
only days away, they're coming any day. Who are they
looking to charge.

Speaker 10 (23:16):
Well, that's the question that we're trying to figure out
right now, because they haven't said now there are as
soon as you get a leak like this, you know
that somebody is going to come out of TMZ, a
British tabloid, one of the entertainment shows. The question is
is this a name person, somebody that Perry knew, a
Hollywood colleague. Is it one of his doctors that prescribed
these medications or is it just someone off the street

(23:39):
who provided the drugs? And I got to tell you here, Heather,
in California, there's been a big push, a big mandate
to go after drug dealers like this with the overdoses
and this was you know, ketamine and drowning that happened
almost a year ago. So this has been an investigation
that's been going on since I think back in almost
December right now, and you know, if we're to believe
what they're saying, we may find out who is behind

(24:00):
this before weeks.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Und Dan, thank you very much, appreciate it. Dan Mitchinson
are us corresponding here?

Speaker 17 (24:05):
There?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Are you aware that Karmala Harris's husband is actually Jewish?
And thank you? Yes, he's actually the first Jewish spouse.
The problem isn't so much with that, because I'm not
sure that that report was necessarily accurate. Like we don't
actually have any proof that Carmela didn't pick the guy
because he's Jewish. It's the fact that a correspondent thinks
it's an okay thing to say, how wacky are you?

Speaker 17 (24:25):
Like?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Whow Anyway, the public sector we need to talk about this.
This is the unemployment numbers that have come out today
on all the wage data and stuff. The public sector,
it turns out, are making the dollars making the dollars.
So the rest of us, on average, our ordinary time
earling earnings are now, according to the official figures, forty
one dollars and fifty two cents, right, the public sector

(24:49):
forty nine dollars and fifty six cents. That's a lot more.
I mean, that's like I'm doing a very rough calculation,
but it's like twenty five percent more, right, twenty five
percent more. That is why the public sector needs a
good going over, because I'm not really sure why the
taxpayer who pays for the public sector should get paid
less than the public sector that they get paid that

(25:10):
they're paid for. You don't you follow what I'm saying.
I mean, these people just expect to earn too much,
so do them over do a little trimming in there.
I'm down for that, Which is what's happening quarter.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
To politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Certainty Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US Now Barry, Hello,
good afternoon, Aty. What is dipping out of We're pack
a set in the house?

Speaker 18 (25:30):
Ah well, I find it extraordinary actually, and when I
sat and listened to it, I've got to say my
blood boiled. I thought, with John Key at the weekend
talking about tempering it down the divisions and society, She's
just turned the heat right up. It's the sort of
speech that in my view, insights and even the speaker

(25:51):
Jerry Browne at the end of it, he was asked
by ACT to review it and he said he will be.
Here's part of Parker's contribution.

Speaker 19 (25:59):
This a know how has ACT groomed the Prime Minister
and indeed national into deliberately exercising ethno side. It is
the deliberate, systemic destruction of our culture and us as
Tanga Taquenua, using legislative power, political force and influence two
make us into one. They're one and our nun This

(26:20):
government has been led by a dark triad.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
And let me explain what that means.

Speaker 19 (26:24):
Three personality traits, the macavelian, the psychopath, and the narcissist.
And I'll get you to guess which ones which the manipulative,
extremely entitled.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
And lack empathy.

Speaker 19 (26:36):
But together those traits are dangerous for our people because
together they create some of the cruelest social chaos ever
known to Indigenous people.

Speaker 18 (26:45):
Unbelievable. I mean, you know, if you take those words
and wasn't that was just part of the speech. If
you listen to the whole speech, I mean, it is
simply outrageous that it's allowed to happen in a party.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Why is Brownie having to review it? Was he not
in the house at the time, he.

Speaker 18 (27:05):
Was there, but he sat there and listened. And certainly
Brook van Valden, she's stood up at the end of
it and she said she didn't want to interrupt because
let Packer sound off. And then she pleaded with the
speaker to just review what had been said.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
On what grounds would he review, Well, he would have
to have.

Speaker 18 (27:24):
A look at the language. I would suspect and you
know what, what category does it fall into. I mean,
in my view, this is hate speech and it's nothing
short of that. It's it's inciting moldy people to she
talked about ethnicide.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I mean, at the very least, she is not doing
anything to assist amicable race relations, right, She's whipping out
That's what the That's what the party is known for,
hasn't it.

Speaker 18 (27:55):
Well maybe it is, but I think you know, to
say what she said in parliament, I honestly, in all
my time there, I've never heard the likes of a
speech like that.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yes, thanks stuff think it's pretty dangerous. Samon Brown's had
a crack at the energy crisis. What is he here
to say?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, he has.

Speaker 18 (28:12):
He said it certainly is a crisis facing the country
at the moment he was speaking. This afternoon. He summoned
the four main supply Gen Taylors to a meeting today.
He told Parliament that the energy sector is in crisis
and he cheted the blame back to the last government's
decision to immediate decision it was on taking the Treasury

(28:34):
benchures to stop exploration for gas and oil. He says
that's led to an explosion in electricity prices.

Speaker 20 (28:41):
New Zealanders are now paying the highest electricity prices in
the western world. Just this morning, the spot price in
Northland reached over one seven hundred dollars per mega wattow
must to speaker, after stifling investment in the gas sector,
after increasing our sovereign risk as a country, they're threatening

(29:02):
the viability of New Zealand businesses, many of whom export
products to the world, and the jobs they underpin. We've
seen that in recent days we announcement several hundred job
losses at Winstone Pulp and at OG's Penrose facility. High
electricity prices have been cited on both occasions.

Speaker 18 (29:20):
It's a real issue, isn't it. It's a real problem.
The consumer, that's the household, haven't felt the impact of
it yet, but by goodness, it's coming.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah. Now, So what did he say to the gent tailors, Well.

Speaker 18 (29:33):
He didn't say in parliament what he said to them,
But what.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Can the gent tailors do about it? I mean they
this is not to pass.

Speaker 18 (29:40):
They have to pass on prices in the end.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
We are they supposed to make a loss now, are they?

Speaker 20 (29:45):
Well?

Speaker 18 (29:46):
It's a bit like banks, isn't it? No doubt? He's
saying to the gent Taylors, you're doing pretty well out
of society at the moment in New Zealand. Can you
be a little softer than otherwise you mightez?

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I mean they have to be careful. I mean, clearly
labor has made this issue a lot worse, but the
nets have to be really careful that they don't make
another Well.

Speaker 18 (30:04):
I can't dictake to business just as my competid dictate
to the banks in this country.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Are they all right?

Speaker 16 (30:09):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Listen Berry, thank you appreciate. It's Barry so for senior
political correspondent coming up eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 21 (30:18):
Because new mari Ward law is playing at a council
level around the country as we speak.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
In the mayor up north is Craig Gypsum? Who is
with us? Are you here kicking and screaming as a
council In other words, you wouldn't have done what the
central government has done.

Speaker 13 (30:29):
Well I should have writed that. Singer and Brown said
that it was a return to democracycause I believe it was.
And when I ran the petition back in twenty twenty
before and then I retrospectively changed the law and I
had a very strong mandate of eight eight percent of
my voters here for signing the petition.

Speaker 7 (30:43):
They didn't want the Mary Awards.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
You can't argue about the democracy thing, can you.

Speaker 21 (30:46):
I mean, what Mahuta did was undemocratic, and what councils
do if they don't ask people is undemocratic.

Speaker 22 (30:52):
Oh, that's correct.

Speaker 21 (30:53):
Back tomorrow at six am the mic asking, Breakfast with
the rain Drover, the laugh News talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Here there is a pastor the coach. Your argument about
the C two the canoeing doesn't convince me. Paddling in
front of the world like that is an embarrassment. That's
from Brian. We've got the chair of canoe Racing New
Zealand who would have been involved in the decision to
send these guys over there. He'll be with us in
twenty minutes time. Can not wait to speak to him
or the polkinghorn Cases has finally got to the mistress

(31:20):
and the escorts and the hawkers and stuff like that. Right,
don't pretend that we're not interested in this stuff, because
frankly we are. So today they've heard about how they
the police executed a search warrant on the mistress who
I think is an escort actually in her day job,
Madison Ashton, that's a good name anyway, So she and

(31:40):
Polkinghorn were at the Mount Cook Lakeside retreat at the
time when the cops came and they took her phone.
They seized the phone as part of the search warrant,
but then they found out there was a second phone,
and then they were told actually that phone is her
work phone, but they took it anyway, and then they
asked Madison Ashton to provide the pin numbers for the phones,
but she didn't want to provide the pin numbers, and
she was asked again and she refused, and so it
was a little bit of a difficult situation for the coppers.

(32:02):
So anyhow, we're going to talk to Chelsea Daniels, who's
been in court all day for that in the whole
way through and she'll give us the latest on it.
Before we have a chat to Jared Kerr of Kiwi
Bank about whether we are going to get a rate
cut next week because, as I said earlier, the unemployment
rates come in and suggested it's not looking too good
for that. Also a little bit more on what's going

(32:22):
on with the markets. Uber reported its second quarter result
last night and obviously people loved what they saw because
the shares were up eleven percent, which is nothing to
be sneezed at. Deborah Lamby of Milford Asset Management, have
a chat to us closer to half past six, around
about six twenty five and give us the details of
that sort of plenty to get through in the show
News talksz'db thucking.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Nost me when you're on a beans bed making you crazy?

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Are you banging down me? Are you bang down me?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Are you thanking bown me?

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Speaker 1 (33:14):
Drive with One New Zealand, Let's get connected and news talk.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
As said, be.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Good afternoon. The polking Horn trial has turned to Philip
Polkinghorn's relationships with sex workers. Now he's accused of murdering
his wife, Pauline Hannah in twenty twenty one, while his
defense says she took her own life. Chelsea Daniels has
been covering the trial. She's with us now, how Chelse? I?
What was this morning's evidence?

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Well?

Speaker 23 (33:36):
Day eight featured evidence from Detective Senior Sergeant Lisa Jane Anderson.
Now she went to Mount Cook where Polkinghorn and his
girlfriend Madison Ashton was staying after Hannah's death about April thirty.
For those who have been following along, Ashton is a
Sydney based sex worker. Now Anderson arrived at Mount Cook

(33:57):
Lakeside Retreat at about seven on April thirtieth. A white
Toyota polkinghorned hired, was parked out the front of a
standalone unit there. Anderson was there with two other christ
Church detectives to seize Madison Ashton's phones, which were then
handed over to digital forensic units in christ Church.

Speaker 24 (34:18):
She declined to provide the pin numbers. Pogginhorn in prison
at that point, Yes, he was. What happened after she
refused to supply the pin numbers?

Speaker 13 (34:29):
She was asked a king?

Speaker 24 (34:30):
He refused to king there what happened?

Speaker 3 (34:34):
What did we hear in the afternoon?

Speaker 23 (34:36):
Well, the Crown called Rob Masters. He was living in
a unit in Northcote Point, a block of about twelve
apartments there on the north shore known as Melrose Court.
Now Masters noticed a white Mercedes with the number plate
Aret Ina Retna. He first saw the car about twenty nineteen,
and it visited the complex on a weekly basis, sometimes

(34:59):
more frequently the that Over time he came to recognize
the man who drove that car. He met him a
couple of times on the driveway where he trained clients.

Speaker 24 (35:10):
Did you learn of the individual's name? Yes?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I did.

Speaker 24 (35:14):
What was that Philip Polkinghorn? And how did you come
to learn of his name?

Speaker 17 (35:23):
He was introduced at one of our agms as Philip
John something along those lines.

Speaker 24 (35:30):
I can't remember where there is surname.

Speaker 17 (35:32):
And then obviously during the media attention right once his
wife had been had passed away.

Speaker 23 (35:44):
The woman who lived at the complex was named rachel
or Alaria. She used both names now. She was in
her early to mid fifties, long blondish, grayish hair. A
polking Horn would visit a bag, usually in tow. Masters
saw some bottles of champagne, women's clothing. Perhaps it would
never be a farmer's bag. Though, or something like that.
He said that they were fancy bags. He described him

(36:07):
as being well dressed. He'd seen him once wearing his
scrubs like the ones a doctor would wear. He said,
Rachel or A Laria would have a couple of other
regular visitors, but none as frequent as the white Mercedes
with the number plate Retina. He disappeared during the COVID lockdowns.
Now Brian Dickie asked masters what his neighbor Rachel did

(36:27):
for work.

Speaker 24 (36:29):
My understanding is that Rachel was a sex worker.

Speaker 23 (36:33):
After Hannah's death, the neighbor noticed the car with the
number plate RETA vanished.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And the court was also shown video of Pulkinghorn's police interview.
Weren't they Yeah, It's about three hours long.

Speaker 23 (36:44):
He jumps around from topic to topic, detailing things like
the couple's beach house, an argument that had about staining there,
the the episode of New Amsterdam they'd watched the night before,
and Hannah's work in general. He goes through the morning
he found his wife as well.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Thank you, Chelsea. Appreciate Chelsea Daniels has been in court
for us, and you can hear more from Chelsea about
this on the Herald's podcast accused the Polkinghorn.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Trial together do for see Elen.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
The unemployment rate has risen to four point six. It's
slightly better than most forecasters had predicted. At four point seven.
It's bang in line with the Reserve Banks for forecast.
Jared kurz Ki, Banks chief economist, Hey, Jared, Hey, Right,
this is this has hit the young ones particularly hard,
as it always does, isn't it.

Speaker 25 (37:26):
Yeah, it has.

Speaker 16 (37:28):
We've seen a list of unemployment and unfortunately it's the
younger people who have been hit first.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Wage inflation though still going up. That's a good thing
for people, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (37:38):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 16 (37:39):
But then if you ask them, you know, are you
working enough? Saying no, we want more hours. So the
under utilization rate rose. So people are working, but they're
just not getting the hours they want. How much longer
that's a reflection Sorry.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No, carry on.

Speaker 16 (37:53):
I was just going to say, and that's a reflection
of you know, firms cutting hours rather than heads at
the stage.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, I mean, we we aren't nowhere near where we're
going with the unemployment rate. So how much longer have
we got for this thing to kind of play out?

Speaker 24 (38:06):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (38:06):
We've got another year, the unemployment rate does lag what's
happening in the economy. Businesses do hold on to workers
for as long as they can, So we think the
unemployment rate keeps lifting for the rest of this year
and into next, and it'll end up around five point
two five point three percent.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
What do you think this means for the decision next
week on the official cash rate?

Speaker 16 (38:27):
Look, I recommend the central Bank cut rates next week.
And I say that because we've seen enough in the
data to be confident that inflation's not only going to
be below three percent this year, but it'll be back
to two percent next year. And when they set policy today,
they're actually setting policy for the end of next year.

(38:48):
That's how long it takes to feed through. So cut
now for relief next year.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Jared, what about the immediate reaction though? I mean, at
the minute that they can't, people are going to feel
freer and start to spend. It might not be massive,
but it will change our attitudes, right, So could it
potentially fire up the inflation.

Speaker 16 (39:04):
Just to weave it oh a little bit? And I
think that's kind of what we want. The economy has
been in recession for nearly two years. I think it
is time to try and lift people's heads. I think
it is time to try and boost confidence, get people investing,
get people looking for growth again. You know, business is
are shell shocked and they keep saying that they're trying

(39:26):
to survive until twenty five. And I don't like that mindset.
I want people lifting their heads again and looking for growth.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, Jared, listen, Thank you very much. Always appreciated. Jared Kirkie,
We Banks Chief Economists ever do prosal Chris Luxon has
handled this drama over Paul Goldsmith Terrell invitation thing. I
reckon about the best way he could. Now, if you
haven't caught up on this, tv Z ran a story
last night revealing that there was a matti key invitation
that was going to be sent to an Aussie politician.
But then Paul Goldsmith intervened and he told the public

(39:54):
servants to take out all the Maori words and replace
it with English words like deer whoever kind regards Paul,
et cetera, et cetera. Anyway, Luxelan was asked about it
today in the House and he said, this is the
reason why they did that.

Speaker 26 (40:07):
The correspondence was being directed to an Australian Minister overseas
and what I'd say to you in my dealings with Australians,
it's always pays to be incredibly simple and clear and
use English.

Speaker 8 (40:21):
Supplementary.

Speaker 24 (40:22):
Good to see him leading by example.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, that's how you got to handle that gun and nonsense.
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see Allen coming up eighteen past five hours we've been
discussing on the show. The Kiwi canoeists at the Olympics
have caused quite a stir with their performance, which was
pretty bad. They finished about a minute later than all
the other boats in the C two five hundred overnight
because neither of them are actually any good at the event,

(41:31):
they were so far behind the pack our commentator Malcolm
Jordan thought they dropped out of the race.

Speaker 18 (41:36):
My apologies, they didn't pull out.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
They are now crossing the line now.

Speaker 21 (41:41):
They were so far behind the action I lost complete
sight of them.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Greg Adlam is the chair of Canoe Racing New Zealand
with us. Now, Hey Greg, hi, here there are you?
Oh Greg, you sound deflated, Not at all.

Speaker 11 (41:55):
No, the water sports have been fantastic and the characters
are going fantastic.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Well yeah, well they are right now, do you reckon?
People are being rough a little rough on these two guys,
given they're not actually there to canoe, they're there to
kayak and they just have to canoe in order to
be able to kayak.

Speaker 11 (42:10):
It's probably an understanding of the selection process if I
maybe that may help outline why they're padding the.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
Way they are.

Speaker 11 (42:20):
And that's about when we're trying to qualify for Olympics.
In the year Pride Olympics World Championships, we're trying to
qualify as many seats as we can at those, which
is for the men, there's six kayaking men, six kayaking
women six but similarly, if we were to have a
sea boat program, it'd be six in each of those.
As a result of World Championships last year, we qualified

(42:40):
four women and zero men. So you come back to
Oceani your Agana and we qualified two more women out
of that to get out six, and we're able to
qualify three men. But we're also able to do which
we did, which was to qualify in the canoe discipline
the two and in the kayak discipline two. We're able
to under the rules, put those two together to make

(43:02):
up our K four for the men, which we did
as the K four men was seven fastest in the
world last year. But what we must do is we've
got to line up in the K boat and the
sea boat. And so what these two lads have done
is a tremendously good job in a very very difficult boat,
tremendously tippy. I've tried one once and all I did

(43:23):
was fell out of it. So these guys have done
a great job in skillect position and being able to
paddle that boat up the course and acknowledging what your
commentator said. The commentator on the television outlined it pretty well.
They said, you know, it's one thing for kayakers to
get into a canoe boat and to paddle it, but
it's another one to actually lay down power to get
it up to course. And that's the phase that we're

(43:46):
out now, and we're looking for these boat and it's
disciplined to be something for us for New Zealand and
canar racing and potentially not the next Olympic cycle maybe,
but certainly the one after for Brisbane. So it's a
start and it's a really really strong start and I
think what they're doing is is tremendous. They are really
displaying a new avenue of sport for New Zealand and

(44:08):
at internationally. It hasn't readily been available to this some time, so.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
There's been a little bit of criticism of you guys
for using this technicality in the loophole to get in.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Is that fair?

Speaker 11 (44:19):
The rules are there and we've we acknowledged and as
has and has been there for some time. And we're
not the first country to take this path, and depending
on what the International New Federation, so we may be
the last. I don't know, but at the moment, the
rules are there and we've used those rules to get

(44:40):
our K four through.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
The lad's okay, because I mean they are copying it, right.
Have you checked in on them?

Speaker 11 (44:47):
Yeah, yep, yep. They're in really good spirit, actually really
good spirit, and I think you saw that on the
start line. You know, Max is a is a pretty
a pretty how do you the best describe it?

Speaker 7 (44:59):
Isn't?

Speaker 11 (45:00):
He's a great lad and he's very happy to show
a very happy emotion, which was good. And Grant's similar
behind him and pretty stoked to be able to do this.
And Grant is also as already said, you know, postal
them that she'd like to be able to take this
around the country to demonstrate to other people how cool
the support it is.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, how about making other people sit on that boat
and see how it goes for them? Hey, Greg, thank
you very much. Greg Adlam Canoe Racing New Zealand board
chair see nothing to worry about is all part of
the plan five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplessy Allen drive with fun New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be hither.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
The rules also allowed the Australian cricketers to underarm bowl ray.
Is that the same thing? I mean, the Ossies used
a rule to win a game unfairly. We just used
a rule to get into the game and now we're
playing fair, aren't we. So I don't think it's the
same five twenty five anyway, Listen, this power situation is
getting worse. Got another business just today closing down because

(46:01):
of the cost of energy. It's og Fiber Solutions. This
is a paper and recycling plant in Penrose, Auckland. They've
said they're closing because the energy costs have approximately doubled
in the last year and are still skyrocketing, and that
means seventy five people in Auckland are going to lose
their jobs. Yesterday we had the Windstone Pulp and timber mills,
the two of them downing tools for two weeks because

(46:22):
of electricity going up six hundred percent for them in
three years. They are also considering permanently closing, so that
would mean the loss of three hundred jobs. Methodex is
running at half capacity because they haven't got enough gas.
Pan Pack has warned it's getting tough for them too.
The gas shortage means the three million dollars they used
to pay every year for gas is now nine million
dollars every year. Now here's a warning. This is not

(46:45):
even the start. This is going to get a whole
lot worse. And it is not just going to be
the big guys, as going to be me and you
paying this kind of stuff as well. It's going to
get a whole lot worse unless we're to prepare to
make some really, really tough calls in a bunch of spaces. Now,
bless the government for talking about inquiries and calling the
gen tailors and pappers before cabinet. None of that's going

(47:05):
to change anything. It's just time wasting. That's just wasting
everybody's time. What we already know what we need, and
what we need is a lot more electricity generation and
we need it fast. So we need to fast track it,
which means, yeah, using the fast track legislation, it means
a whole bunch of communities and green warriors are going
to have to suck it up and just let stuff
get built. We might have to talk about dropping some

(47:26):
of the wind farms in the solar panels and building
a little bit more of the gas burning and dare
I say it, the coal burning, getting some of that
fossil fuel going again, because that's what we need. Because
I hate to say it, but renewable energy, which is
basically what we are heavily reliant on at the moment,
is unreliable and intermittent, and it is why power part
prices are partly expensive. I have a look at your

(47:47):
power bill last mine last month. Mine was huge. I
don't reckon I've ever paid that much for power in
a month. More wind farms, more solar panels, are just
going to make it more expensive. It's already projected. More
wind farms, more solar panels, more of that stuff will
add another twelve billion dollars to your power bills in
the next twelve years. Do you like the sound of that? No,
neither do I. We're gonna have to build fast we're

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probably gonna have to build dirty and I don't know
about you, but I'm here for that because I would
rather have those businesses operating in New Zealand than shutting
down and hiring people than firing them. And I would
rather have my power bill a little lower than it
was last month.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
To Heather, do to see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
This Marty Wards thing, I mean, it's like no one's
listening to John Key. This Marty Wards thing has got
a bit out of hand. Murray Chong is a counselor
over in New Plymouth. He reckons he's the only one
opposed to the Marty Wards and he thinks that's why
people have been harassing him and shooting at his ute
in one particular case. So he's now saying he's not
going to oppose Marty Wards anymore because he's too scared

(48:44):
for his own safety. His mayor is with us. After
the headlines news to zabb.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Hard questions strong opinion, Heather due for see allan drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Let's get connected and news talk asid be.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Thanks you.

Speaker 15 (49:07):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
After six, we're going to have a chat to Ben McNulty,
who's a Wellington councilor because it looks like they have
got another example of basically like a Redding cinema on
their hands, this time not in them. And by that
I mean a building that is just sitting there and
basically looking awful and largely not being used this time
out of the city, sitting in Johnsonville Johnsonville Mall. So
they don't really know what to do about it. He's

(49:28):
going to talk us through that. The huddle standing by
to have a chat to us as well, Heather. The
government needs to bring gas into the country asap because
Western Australia has got plenty. That is actually a live
consideration at the moment. There's talk of importing all g
the trouble with importing allergy and I may, well, look,
here's the thing. We've got heaps of gas turbine turbines right,
so we can fire that gas like yay, we could

(49:48):
burn the gas, get the lights going. It would work
really well. There is a little bit of infrastructure though
that you need to build, right because what you'd need
to do is you basically need to put like have
places to store it when you import it before you
start firing it through the old gas turbines and stuff
like that. But look, if that's if that's the solution,
I'm okay with that. You know how I feel about
the fossil fuels. Love my electricity prices to come down

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twenty three away from.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Six, Heather duper Cela.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Now, the Marty Wards debate has turned ugly unfortunately. New
Plymouth counselor Murray Chong has been an outspoken opponent of
Marty Woods. He's revealed he's been receiving death threats and
his car was shot at, and he's not sure it's
got to do with that opposition, but he thinks it is.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
I've had a message is saying that you know, i'lbi
kin one day, so watch you know, watch you bet
because you own you won't know about it. You'll wake
up from the hospital. I've had them saying they'll grab
my dog from my house and cut it up in
pieces and put up my doorstep in the sack. You

(50:50):
know my my daughter's been hassled. Yeah, so you know,
enough's enough now.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Marry Chong says he's not going to campaign against Marty
Wards anymore because he's too scared. Neil hold him as
you plumots mayor with us. Now, Hey, Neil, did I Heather,
did you know that the stuff was going on?

Speaker 16 (51:07):
Yeah, Murray.

Speaker 27 (51:08):
Murray let me know a few days ago sent me
some images of of the you know, the dent that
are left in his vehicle, and I've kind of checked
in on as how he's feeling about that. He's obviously,
you know, it's appalling behavior. He's you know, highly stressed
that the team came together today. We had a we
had a sort of a strategy session today, but we discussed,

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you know, what we're going to what measures we can
take to protect team members because actually it's a it's
indication of a pattern that's actually occurring across the country.
I think more than half of elected kind of counselors
across the country surveyed indicated that they've had some form
of kind of online aggression, and then about a third

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of them have experienced it in person. So there's increasingly
kind of aggressive and intimidatory behavior towards local government elected people.
And unlike our peers and the Beehive, we don't get
the benefit of having security sweeps of our house, where basically,
if you're an MP, they send someone out, they do

(52:16):
a security assessment, they put in place protection measures. We're
just basically hanging out there.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Okay, is it any particular subject you guys getting hansled on?

Speaker 27 (52:25):
Look, people get you know, a range of things, are
rate increases, individual projects. You know, obviously there's the issue
around Mary Wards. There's a broad range of issues. And
if you look at the pattern though, what we're seeing
is there used to be people used to write in
emails and you know that express their views kind of
what i'd say, quite professionally and constructively. Now it's just

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becoming increasingly aggressive and I mean it's putting people off
from expressing their views. And you know, we've discussed we've
got a broad range of views. We've got quite a
diverse council. But actually as a team, we get on
really well because we respect that diversity. And what we
do is we talk about ideas and values and we

(53:08):
argue and debate and then we make decisions. But what
we've got here is people that are just you know,
that crossing lines that you know, basically threatening intimidatory behavior
that's criminal acts. And you know, we've got a look
to ensure that our team are safe, and we're going
to look at how we can support Murray and the

(53:29):
wider team because there are other team members have had
abuse and threats for different issues.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Yeas and luck dealing with it. Neil, appreciate your time.
It's Neil Holdham, New Plum. It's man the.

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Speaker 3 (53:44):
I'm the huddle with me. This evening, We've got Jordan
Williams of the Taxpayers Union and jack'same host of Q
and A Saturday mornings on NEWSTALKSZB too. Hello you guys, Jordan,
what do you make of how ugly the Smarty Ward
debate has actually turned?

Speaker 7 (53:56):
I am my heart think when I read the story
this morning. It just yesterday, the Text Bay Union we
published a full page in the Dominion Post calling on
political leaders to call out those political parties and political
leaders using frankly violent and drawing on extremist rhetoric. What

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really concerned us was a series of means that leaned
on violent references with muskets and things like that, and
calling the government genocidal for.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Example, basically talking about the Marti Party on you.

Speaker 7 (54:33):
Yeah, we are there, and we were saying that actually
labor need to call that out, and the Greens need
to call that out and simply saying oh, well I
wouldn't have said that, but not calling it out for
what it is. It's a dangerous precedent.

Speaker 15 (54:44):
And we said that.

Speaker 7 (54:45):
The thing is is that for you know, it is
only language, and you know, as you know, I'm a
free speech absolutist, but it does mean you can call
it for what it is and say New Zealand, we
shouldn't go there. And then just twenty four hours later
we have this happen over this very issue. My heart
thinks we have this is not the New Zealand I

(55:08):
know and love when we have a democratically elected official
standing up in tears and look, this isn't a shrinking violt.
I mean he's got I've had death threats before, but
now that I'm a father, I would have to be
more timid because the game and someone's shot a bullet
into the side of his truck and the drive by,

(55:29):
Holy moly, why isn't this leading menus? I find it alarming.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I agree with you Jack, how long is have we
got to this point that people who are so pro
MARII Woods and look, we don't know for sure that
this is what's going on Mary Chong. He believes it is.
But even in Kuiperer, how is it that people who
are so pro Mary Mary Woods have got so feral
on it.

Speaker 15 (55:48):
Well, yeah, I think I think that is an important
Caveat first of all, we don't know for certain that
this is related to Marty Woods, and there are lots
of contentious things happening in councils at the moment.

Speaker 27 (55:56):
We do know that threats were we do know that
early it is, we don't know personal required to government.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 15 (56:03):
You know, I think universally we just have to condemn
anything like this, any form of political violence. This is
totally unacceptable. So yeah, I agree uterly appalling. Regardless of
his of of Marrytong's views on anything related to his counsel,
business or political opinions, this kind of response is totally unjustified.

(56:24):
Why do I think that the Maori Ward's debates has
become so feel what I think, as Sir John Key
alluded to it the National Party conference at the weekend.
I think tensions around Ewie Crown relations and Rehethrick that
is being used is at a very high level at
the moment because the government has moved very quickly to

(56:45):
change direction from the previous government.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Can say something on this because I was reflecting on
this earlier. Right, the government has yes changed direction really quickly,
but the labor government previously changed direction on this very
subject very quickly as well. On limits. Just finish my thoughts,
and the opposition to what Nanaima Hooter did did did
not get this feral. So why is it the fheral
in one direction and not the other.

Speaker 15 (57:08):
I think I don't want to speak to her, but
I think actually Niamhota would have experienced.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Some would get about that. Talk about what we are
seeing in public? Right, Well, we'll hang on.

Speaker 15 (57:18):
Do me forget about that? That's the whole point you've
just said.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Well, because Jack, the point that what I'm trying to
say is forget about what Ima who is personally experiencing,
because otherwise we have to go and trall through what
Sam and Brown is personally experiencing, and we don't know
and what every other leading figure is. So misters and
I are winged about it in public we don't know,
but look at what we're seeing in public, what is
in the news and public, and it is much more
intense in one direction than the other.

Speaker 15 (57:42):
I don't know that you can quantify it that way
and say it's much more in other Yeah, I mean,
I think it's fad across the board, and I think
all parties, including those parties using terms like genocide, all
parties need to take the heat out of a conversation.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
I think responsible even racist. You know, the former New
Plymouth near basically called anyone who just agreed with him
a racist. That's the sort of that's what started us
on the sort of path you know that we I mean,
it's sort of the end result of cancel culture. Once
you start calling people racists and trying to shut down

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that debate, you do inflame a sort of a sort
of out the mob. And eventually what we warned about
literally in the full page ad yesterday calling for people
to sign the public letter, is that you know, this
could lead to bad places, and less than twenty four
hours later, here is a bad place. I think that

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that all parties, including the Mali Party, should be saying, look,
we don't want to go, we don't want to go here,
and look I look at the We put an email
to the couple of thousand people that put their name
to that letter and today pointing this out, and I.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
Just said, you know, this is not the New Zealand that.

Speaker 28 (58:59):
I know, and marm And.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
In this I've lost my train of thought.

Speaker 11 (59:06):
Sorry, you don't.

Speaker 22 (59:09):
About it.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Jordan jack Well, I agree with Jordan.

Speaker 15 (59:13):
I think it would be impactful if political leaders like
to party. Maldi said, Hey, actually, this kind of this
this you know, if we are if we are having
if we are having violence political violence, And I say,
because we haven't had that one hundred concerned in this case,
but if we are having political violence relating to this issue,
that's totally unacceptable. The problem is that I would say

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that people on the fringes of this argument, some people
in the fringes of this argument see it as beneficial
to their cause to throw fuel on the fire. On
both sides can also say can I can also say that,
you know, you just characterized in a naima hooter is
winging about it. I mean, just just think about your
own language here the way, and that you have just

(59:56):
very very quickly, very reflexively just completely minim her experience.
She will have had some of the most appalling abuse
of any modern pop modern pace. You have to agree
with it. I think you have to agree with it,
but you've just said, oh, yeah, she's when she is
Murray Chong. Absolutely, we all agree he's a victim. I
agree Murray Chong's a victim too. But then when you
don't use that kind of language, I mean, it's you're

(01:00:18):
playing into exactly the kind of problem you describe it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Yep, thank you for that. All right, we'll take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Back with the Huddle, Jack Tam Jordan Williams. Jack, do
you reckon we're being too hard on the canoeists or
was it the most embarrassing New Zealand performance at the
Olympics ever?

Speaker 15 (01:00:40):
I don't know ever, but certainly at these Olympics.

Speaker 11 (01:00:42):
I don't think we've been too hard on them.

Speaker 15 (01:00:43):
I think it was embarrassing. I think given the standards
of the nd DOC supposedly said around selection for our
other athletes and other sports, it was a disgrace.

Speaker 16 (01:00:52):
I mean, honestly, it was.

Speaker 15 (01:00:55):
My wife always scoffs at me because I did that
classic like mean thing where I'm like, oh, how would
I fear if I was competing against these world class
athletes in this extremely difficult event. But that was one
spot where even she had to agree that maybe if
I was out there on the course and I had
to win at my back, perhaps even I could have
been send them across the line.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
What do you reckon, Jordan?

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
Your producer was trying to go me to say, this
is an outrageous waste of taxpayer money and all that
sort of thing, which might all be true, but maybe
it's not a conturion And it's probably my worst nightmare
is sort of waking up and having to be having
to be an all black and the embarrassment that I've
got zero scaled in this area. But like these guys,

(01:01:36):
knowing they were taking the proverbial who've got a free
trip to Paris, got to see the ceiling a village,
have all the fun, pretend to be elite athletes, knowing
the whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
More importantly, they get to compete in the thing that
they're supposed to compete in, which is kayaking.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
Right. Yeah, I mean, on the other hand, I sort
of got a like, again, it's a probably my conturioness,
I'm like, God on you mate, what is it? What
is more New Zealand and like a free CONTACTI through France.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
You realize, do you realize though, that they're not actually canoeists,
like that they're just to get into the.

Speaker 15 (01:02:14):
I understand that. I mean they by by competing in
the C two they could also compete in the K four,
in which they didn't totally humiliate themselves. I think they
they made it through to the second round, right, but
it was hardly like a totally dazzling performance. Look, I
just watching that if the if the plan was not
to try in the sea, to which I think that
was the plan because they saved the energy for the

(01:02:36):
K four. I mean, it just makes a bit of
an embarrassing spectacle on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Canoeist, isn't canoeing? Actually? The thing that is the most
embarrassing here that that that Jordan, that you can have
people who don't even know how to canoe make it
and stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
Sports bodies at the Olympics are hardly covering themselves in law.

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
Yeah, surely the qualification standards. That's the truly embarrassing thing
about this. Yes, the loophole is the most embarrassing thing
you've brought me around.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Yeah, oh, thank you. How about that? All right? That's
the huddle this evening, Jordan Williams and Jack Dame. Thanks
very much guys for your time. Seven away from six upon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Hither that counselor that has been threatened needs to resign.
I'm sorry, but if he's going to allow his vote
to be tainted by threats and blackmail, he shouldn't represent
the voters. Well that's pretty harsh, but I mean I
can see where you're coming from with that. Hither, I
have it on very good authority that the CEOs and
this is back to the energy thing, the CEOs of
Winston Pulp and Og. Both of these are businesses who

(01:03:46):
are affected by the electricity prices. One is closing down
completely in Penrose and the other one is downing tools
for two weeks at two MILS flew to Wellington today
to meet with the government representatives on the power issues.
I don't really know what they expect them to do
immediately to help my point exactly pan Pack pulp mill
in New Plymouth, which is owned by OGI, has already
ceased producing, having only just restarted a few months ago

(01:04:06):
after cyclone, Gabrielle. It's not just the mills and the staff,
it's also all the ancillary businesses that feed materials in,
like the logs and the chip and the chemicals, et cetera.
And those who take it out like Kiwi Rail and
the trucks and the stevedors and the ports and the
shipping lines, et cetera. All of Winston and OG pulp
out of New Plymouth is exported. I also understand OG
are looking at closer at at their Kinleath pulp and

(01:04:28):
paper mill as well, So that's news. Didn't know that
that exports large tonnage but also has a decent domestic
market for paper. The country is in deep, deep trouble.
I think we're all starting to realize that we've been
warned about this for a while. It's starting to sink.
In very very good piece from Tony Alexander in one
roof today just warning us me included warning us to

(01:04:50):
take a chill pill over how good we think that
economic recovery is going to be Once Adriane decides to
finally start cutting the a of the ocr He's basically
warning that once the cuts happen, it's not gonna to
be fast and awesome our recovery. He points out a
bunch of reasons for that. First of all, the kei
we dollar is not sitting at highs. It's actually about
eight percent lower than it was three years ago. That
impacts our exports. International tourism has recovered, but that's about

(01:05:13):
as good as it will get because the Chinese still
aren't flying, so it's flatlined. We can't rely on the
world to buy heaps of our stuff next year because
global growth is not going to be terribly flash especially
if the Chinese and United States economies do poorly. The
world is moving away from free trade, which we rely
on so heavily, especially if Trumpy wins the next election.
Migration into New Zealand is falling off fast. The brain

(01:05:35):
drain is going to go on and will do for years.
House building is falling off some more. Liquidations are highly likely. Rates,
as in council rates are going to keep shooting up
because councils can do that to us, So the Reserve
Bank might cut He says, but it can't cut too
much either because inflation might take off again. So in short,
as he says, we are set on a low growth path.
So I remain excited about the cuts, but maybe just

(01:05:57):
have to temper it a little bit. We'll go to
Wellington next find out what they're going to do about
the Johnsonville mall, and then we'll check in with Milford
Asset Management about that market turmoil. In the last few days.
News Talks b.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Keeping track of where the money is flowing with the
Business Hour with Hander Duplessylan and my Hr on newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Even and coming up for the next hour, if you
worked at Mackid's between twenty and nine and twenty twenty,
they might owe you some money. Gernative Trainey will talk
us through that. Milford Asset Management on the US reporting
season so far, it's actually very interesting. And the union
representing the workers at the Penrose plant that's shutting down,
it's going to talk us through what they want the
government to do to try to save those jobs. It's
eight past six now. Wellington counselors want to investigate what

(01:06:49):
tools the council has to force the redevelopment of Johnsonville
more like shopping center. The shopping centers and I saw
after decades of an action and all the big retailers
like the Warehouse and paper Plus and so on have
pulled out. It's owned by an investment management firm, Stride Property.
Stride Property says it's still working on redevelopment options. Wellington
councilor Ben McNulty put forward the emotion of notice and

(01:07:10):
it's with us.

Speaker 15 (01:07:11):
Now, Hi, Ben, good thing than Heather, Thanks for having that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Yeah, you're welcome. Listen what's happened? Why has it been
largely abandoned?

Speaker 29 (01:07:18):
Yeah, Look, there's a really long history here which involves
a terrible council decision when Kira Pregnagasta was mayor to
actually protect the Golden Mile against competition in them all
and it's ability. And then in twenty twenty two the
shoe was on the other foot when we were working
as council and partnership with Stride to build a housing
project mixed use and government would have put seventeen milar

(01:07:41):
money in there for water. They walked away at the
last minute. They're half owned by an Australian superannuation fund
and that superannuation fund got the spooks and you know,
they probably couldn't point to Johnson Vall on a map if.

Speaker 15 (01:07:51):
You tried them.

Speaker 29 (01:07:52):
And the development fell over and we're in stagnation and
it's been decades of you know, the cycle going around,
so it's time to try something new.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
So the fact that you guys want to use the
Public Works Act, I mean that's pretty serious. Does that
tell you that you expect that nothing is going to happen?

Speaker 29 (01:08:08):
Oh? Absolutely this. I've been in our role for about
eighteen months now and I've been sort of patient. How
our local MP, greg O Connor's been working with Stride
up in Auckland trying to see something happen, and it's
become increasingly clear that if you just even look at
their latest report, they're not in a position to do
a full scale development, and they're a commercial property developed

(01:08:28):
by and large and commercial not working on the site.
If it was, it would be thriving. So you need
someone who's actually experienced at mixed use development, like precinct
of what they've done up in commercial bail something to
come in. So my view is if they're not going
to use it, they might as well lose it and
someone else who can actually do for work and has
the expertise needs to come in right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
And so what are you guys thinking about some sort
of a busting to change or something.

Speaker 29 (01:08:50):
Well, that's the sort of hook right in the long
term plan for a greater Wellington. They want to build
a bus interchange next to the railway station. To do that,
they have to acquire some of them all land to
do that. So there's a really strong case of the
Public Works Act to be used there for the rest
of them all that might not be as easy, but
there's also the Urban Development Act, and we just want
to look at what the options are. So we've got
some kind of idea instead of just hoping and praying

(01:09:12):
that they might have a change of heart. You know,
one day.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Is there anybody actually still in the mall?

Speaker 29 (01:09:18):
I think the vacancy rate's almost fifty percent. All of
the large retailer has gone, the warehouse, HELENSTEIN'SZBA games, you know,
paper plus. It is now just a mishmash of small
independent owners who are doing their best. But recently our
dray cleaner got run out. The rent went up as
roof was leaking. I'd be surprised if there's going to
be many people left if we don't do anything in

(01:09:39):
their future.

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
I look forward to seeing how you go with this. Hey,
thank you very much. Ben, really appreciate it's been mc
naughty Wellington counselor.

Speaker 13 (01:09:46):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
The pan pack is in Hawk's Bay, not New Plymouth.
They're assessed to be seven to twelve percent of hawks
By's economy. Looks sorry. It is Napier, not New Plymouth,
and it is massive over there. And if they do
shut down anymore in hawks Bay, it's going to be
big for that region. Interesting aside in the Philip Pulkinghorn trial,
this was covered off on the Media Insider today mental
Health Foundation has been revealed trying to stop media publishing details,

(01:10:10):
in particular the Herald, around the murder or suicide of
Pauline Hannah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
So the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Mental Health Foundation senior media advisor Mark Wilson, who's a
lovely guy, wrote to the judge saying he had serious
concerns about the reporting of proceedings in the trial. What
he was primarily concerned about is the quantity of information
being reported by the New Zealand Herald live feed. It
includes witness accounts, photographs, videos and detail on the mechanics
of a common suicide method in New Zealand. What Mike

(01:10:37):
was worried about is that it will lead other people
to also commit suicide, presumably by the same method, because
there is robust evidence which he points to, that news
stories about suicide or suicidal behavior can be followed by
further suicides. The lawyer acting for the Herald, en Zidmey's
general counsel, Genevivo Hallerin, said the Herald is already being careful.
In defense of the Herald said already being careful. Coverage

(01:10:59):
is full of warnings. Cover the trial is neither sensational
nor graphic. It is simply a straight report of proceedings.
And that's really important right in the principles of open
justice that you are able to report within reason what
is happening in court, subject to you know, short off,
short of having things like suppression of details, and that
does happen from time to time, but if you care,

(01:11:19):
if it is open happening in open court, you should
be able to report it. The judge, throughout the request
from the Mental Health Foundation, said the court has no
power to dictate the manner in which news organizations report
proceedings in court and brilliant. That is exactly how it
should happen. I think the right decision has been reached
thirteen past six crunching the.

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twenty twenty, about forty thousand current and former McDonald's staff
might experience a little win full because of having to
correct a widespread payer role issue. Genet Tibtraine is The
Herald's Wellington Business editday and eight, Hey what happened?

Speaker 7 (01:12:06):
Right?

Speaker 30 (01:12:06):
So there's a Holidays Act two thousand and three and
that is proving to be a very complicated and problematic
piece of legislation because a whole bunch of employers, including
government departments, have misinterpreted the Act and paid people incorrectly.
And this relates to and you'll leave holiday pay that

(01:12:29):
type of thing. Now, for some years, various employers have
been reimbursing staff because of this spotch up, because of
this confusion under the Act, and McDonald's is the latest
large employer to start this quite significant reimbursement project.

Speaker 15 (01:12:46):
So, as you said in your.

Speaker 30 (01:12:47):
Intro, around forty thousand current and former McDonald's staff are
likely to be compensated. The company reckons they'll receive tens
of millions of dollars the low tens of millions. Wouldn't
say exactly how much. But I've had a little look
online on various social media platforms, and you know, people
are talking about receiving three thousand dollars one two hundred.

(01:13:10):
Someone's talked about receiving ten thousand dollars. So good news
for some people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Do you know if it comes with interest, like, are
you going to get it in two thousand and nine
money or are you going to get it in twenty
twenty fours money? Because JA, that's a different story.

Speaker 30 (01:13:26):
Well, that is a very good question, and I don't
know the answer to that. It sounds like a really
complicated process all of this, And because McDonald's the various
stores are owned by various franchisees, so the issue has
been pulling them all together and figuring out what the
payments are. So actually, some people have been overpaid over

(01:13:47):
the years. Those people won't be asked to repay McDonald's.
But the issue here is that there are some stores
where people won't be reimbursed. So there's about a handful
of stores that are either they're outside of this massive
process that's that the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment

(01:14:08):
is involved with with McDonald's and those people will log
onto this portal online and be told that they won't
be repaid for now at least. So yeah, complicated assure,
and I think there'll probably be some disappointed people there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Yeah, well, okay, thank you, Jena. I really appreciate it.
Thanks so much for talking us through it. Genetive training,
the Herald's Willing to Business Center. I'm not gonna lie.
When I saw Jeanne's story in the paper today, I
was very excited about it. I thought that that's me,
but no, Unfortunately I only worked at McDonald's Gosha like
turn of the century. Yes, I love being able to
I love being old enough to be able to say
that I was doing something at the turn of the century.

(01:14:45):
I reckon that's around about this. I missed out by
nine years or thereabouts. As always with the Olympics, the
best stuff that's coming from the Olympics is the stuff
that's happening, Like, it's not actually the medals and the
performance of the athletes. It's always the other stuff. Here's
a couple of things for you. You know that guy
from France who was doing the high jumping and then

(01:15:06):
is Willy got in the way and knocked the bar over,
and then as a result of that, he basically he
didn't reach the finals. He it's not all bad. I mean,
you know, you'd think that's pretty bad you didn't get
to the finals because of your crotch. But no, he's
been offered a porn deal wortha reported two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars, apparently from a site called cam Soda.

(01:15:27):
Never heard of it before anyway, TMZ's got the letter
and they're absolutely excited about what they saw and they
said there's a career for him in making adult video.
And also the other thing that's happening is that the
Kiwis have started a little craze by the looks of things,
doing something they call the Munna wave. So what happens is,
you know, if you watch the Olympics and then they
announced from New Zealand, Finn Butcher or whatever, this is

(01:15:49):
when this at this point when they were introduced, just
before the competition, is when they decide to rock out
the Munna wave. And Finn Butcher's done it, Lewis Claibert
the swing, the Swimmer's done at the runner, Sam Tanner's
done at the surfer, Billy ste and has done it.
So it's a thing. And apparently what it is like,
I mean not apparently, I've watched it. Let me try
and explain it to you. What a Munna wave is
is you basically just stick your arm up in the

(01:16:10):
air with your hands spread like your fingers splayed on
your hand like you're about to you know, like like
how many apples have you got? Five?

Speaker 13 (01:16:16):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
So you put your five fingers in the air and
then that's it. That's the Muna wave. You don't wave
like the Queen like with with your palm being vertical.
You wave with your palm being kind of horizontal. Slight problem.
It's very close to the Nazi salute. So the only
difference between the Nazi salute and the Munna wave is

(01:16:40):
the placement of the fingers. With the Nazi salute, you
get you getting those fingers right close to each other
and with the Muna wave, you're spreading them out. And
my suggestion is, if you're going to start rocking a munnawave,
you just get those you you know, given especially what's
going on with race relations in this country, you spread
those five fingers out. I don't want to see any
of your fingers close together when you're doing your unawave.
But anyway, best of like trying to rock that could

(01:17:00):
look cool in front of the young kids at the moment.
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Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
I thought the same when I saw the Munna wave.
He here we are this because we're mums, We're like, ooh,
watch out, watch out. With that, we immediately just start
getting you know, protective six twenty three. Now, it's been
a hell of a week, as you know. On Monday,
the S and P five hundred was down three percent.
That's its biggest pullback since September twenty two. Same day,
Japan had its worst one day drop since nineteen eighty seven,
selling off a mass of twelve point four percent, bringing

(01:17:38):
the total fall from the peak to a round about
twenty five percent. To talk us more through this, Debra
l Ambi of Milford Acid Management. Hey, Deborah, Hi, how
are you very well? Thank you said? Can you talk
us through the market move? Since then? Has everybody? Has
everyone just recovered?

Speaker 25 (01:17:52):
Yeah, So what we've seen was overnight markets through the
little bit as buys waited for him to buy the
dip and S and P was up around one. So
that's after on Monday, the SMP was down three. As
you've said, in Japan had worst day since nineteen eighty seven,
and so this was reassuring to see. But the index
is still down around seven and a half percent from
its highs and investors have been worried about the ability

(01:18:13):
of big tech companies to generate a return on their
huge art special intelligence end. Plus they've been some concerned
about US growth, which made worse by a week jobs
report last week. And then what we've seen is overnight
in Japan, the nearly two to five closed up around
ten percent, which signals that the worst of the panic
might be over. So after having that worst day since

(01:18:36):
nineteen eighty seven, up as your reference on Monday overnight
was actually it's es day since two thousand and eight.
So however, the total four from the peak in Japan
is still around eighteen percent. As investors have been processing
Japan's first interest rate height in seventeen years, and this
caused an unwind of the yen carried trade, which effectively
means that investors have reduced some of their Japanese debt

(01:18:58):
and under that by selling global assets like US tech stops.
So shot from what we've seen as markets have actually
stabilized at these lower levels, and overnight what we saw
of the japan Central Bank intelligent made a coordinated announcement
to try and show a united front and restore some
calm to financial markets, but we do expect volatility to

(01:19:19):
stay high.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Okay, overnight we also had Uber reported second quarter result
and as a result, the shares were up about eleven percent.
Why'd they go up?

Speaker 16 (01:19:29):
So?

Speaker 25 (01:19:29):
Uber reported high and expected profit and importantly return to profitability,
So this isn't the first time it's posted a profit.
It was profitable last year, but at the start of
the year it slipped at the losses on higher cost
from equity investments and legal settlements, So in its results,
it's revenue without sixteen percent, and the CEGO said it

(01:19:50):
was well positioned to grow despite the unserved macroeconomic environment
and was very clear that they're not yet seeing any
weakness and demand from consumers, which we do you know,
has been slowing their spending in other areas of the economy,
including places like restaurants. So for now, uber it doesn't
seem to be impacted by this. And then finally Uber's
pushed into advertising continues and its new ad business exceeded

(01:20:13):
one billion dollar revenue runway in the quarter. That was
all tacking very well.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Yeah, I can imagine we're about seventy five percent of
the way now through the US earning seasons been quite
a right, hasn't it. We've had Microsoft, Mesa, Google, Amazon,
those really big tech names reporting their results. What are
you seeing here?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:20:29):
It has been a ride, all right, And so overall
i'd say results from big tech have been quite mixed,
and the key theme has been increased capital spending on
artificial intelligence. So Amazon it had a fantastic result in
its cloud computing business, but it's retailed business this week,
so she has actually fell around nine percent metas digital
AD revenue grew rapidly. It posted a strong revenue forecast

(01:20:53):
and then talked to high capital spending on artificial intelligence
and it she is up around five percent. Google source
strength it's cloud business, but its AD revenue actually came
in lowers and expected, so its shares sold off five percent.
And then finally, Microsoft's cloud business actually missed expectations for
the first time in two years, but because it was
due to a lack of supply, not demand, it shares

(01:21:15):
only traded down one percent. So the big common theme
from all of those companies, so Microsoft, Amazon, Google letter
was all big increases in capital spending to focus on
building out their artificial intelligence infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Oh, interesting stuff, that increase in the AI investment. Would
that have been taken quite well by the likes of Nvidio.

Speaker 25 (01:21:34):
Yeah, And so we don't get in Z's earning result
until the end of the month, and invests have been
really focused on what these big tech companies have been
saying and what means for in videot So while that
sounds great this high level of spend, currently invests are
increasingly concerned about how sustainable the level of tech capex
is in the sustainability of demand for in videos chips.

(01:21:56):
So these results show us that these companies are spending
tens of billions of dogs of now, but also that
it's not yet translating to meaningful growth. So on, this
is a questioning if the companies can actually generate and
accept you will return on these artificial intelligence investments, and
then how sustainable with its spenders. And then on top
of that, he's to have been bother exacerbated by a

(01:22:18):
room delay to the launch of the videos next generation
AI chip IF and videos shared are actually down around
twenty percent from its highs earlier this year.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Good stuff, Deborah, thank you for talking to us through
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Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Hey, I've got to run you through all of the
things that are going to be happening overnight in the Olympics.
But the two things that are happening the closest from now,
I don't even know what the English wrould like. You know,
the ones that are at most imminent. There you go
are the Kayak Sprints, which will feature Amy Fisher and
Lisa Carrington. Now these are just heats, but still love

(01:23:22):
to see these ladies in action, and that's going to
kick off at seven thirty. Now Banksy has done another one.
So we were just talking yesterday about Banksy doing a thing,
and now banks he's done another one. Yesterday it was
the goat that was perched precariously atop of a strut
on a building. Today he's done the silhouettes of two
elephants with their trunks stretched out towards each other, and
he's painted the elephants sort of like emerging from boarded

(01:23:44):
off windows. The windows had been boarded already, I think,
and painted white, and he's sort of got them coming
out of that. As a result of not having a
caption or any kind of obvious meaning for them, everybody
started to try to interpret what they mean. Some say
it means the elephant in the room. Others say it's
symbol like the trunks reaching out towards each other. Are
this a symbol of healing and reconciliations? The goo going

(01:24:06):
nuts over Banksy again twenty three away from sevengether do
for ce Allen. Now, the energy problem for New Zealand
is getting worse. Seventy five workers at a pulp mill
in Penrose and Auckland were told this morning that the
mill will probably have to shut down by mid December
because of power prices. And this comes after two mills
near or Harkuny down tools for two weeks for the
same reason. They may also shut and Method X is

(01:24:28):
running at half capacity because of a gas shortage. Joe
Gallagher is a negotiation specialist at two, which is one
of the unions involved in the Penrose mill. He joins us, Now, Hey, Joe,
good evening, how do you rate the chances that this
mill does actually shut down?

Speaker 22 (01:24:43):
Look, I mean, you know, we all live in eternal hope,
but my experience up to twenty two years in this
in this industry is that it's going to be extremely
chellinging to keep this mill open given the pressure from
power prices this morning though were twelve hundred dollars a
megawatt and forty dollars the catilla what for gas, So
you know, I think it's going to be very very

(01:25:04):
hard to keep it open from facing those type of
price pressure. Pressures.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
What can the government do about this? Mean, everybody's looking
at the government to fix it.

Speaker 22 (01:25:11):
Can they Well, look, you know, I think you know,
someone has to seriously have a look at how we
could regulate or put some regulation and support for heavy industry.
This is you know, we're seeing you know, closures, We're
seeing Weebstar and Masterton, We're seeing those two plants idling up.
New Zealand still has to work, you know, potentially idle
up every now and then because in some cases it
costs two hundred and thirty thousand dollars an hour to

(01:25:32):
run a kiln. So all of these plants are under pressure.
It's really you know, incumbent, I think on the government
to come up with the strategies that that shows support
for manufacturing in New Zealand. They're supporting farmers, they're supporting landlords.
I think it's about time they reached out to heavy
industry and came up with a plan to keep manufacturing local.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
So what are you suggesting the force the retailers, the
power retailers to cut prices or give these guys tax
breaks or what.

Speaker 22 (01:25:58):
Well, I think you know, we need people need to
get together and look at all the solutions. I mean,
I don't think one there's going to be one solution
to this problem. But I mean, you know this, the
power and the gas price and the gas shortage, it's
all out of control. So I think we have to
look at waste to ensure that we have a strong
manufacturing based in New Zealand because a lot of these
mills and companies are critical to a rural New Zealand.

(01:26:20):
I'm down and towerpo at the moment, and can Leaf
Pulp and Paper well which just part of OG that
that is critical to that community. Likewise, Glenbrook and the
steel mill is critical to that water community. So we've
got to be doing everything in our power all stakeholders
to work out a solution to support local manufacturing that
you know, it just doesn't make sense that ship it
off shore.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
Yeah, I agree with you basically on the sentiment. It's
how to do it that's the problem made Listen on Kenleaf,
we we got told today that OGI is looking at
ken Leath Pulp and Paper Mill potentially going to shut
it down.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Have you that No, I haven't.

Speaker 22 (01:26:52):
I've been on site today and no one's raise that
with me. So I wouldn't like that to you know,
get out there. You know, I've been down and I've
done a tour of the site. I've been talking to
all the members. I've got other meetings tomorrow. The note
there's none of that sentiment at the moment because that
would be a huge that would be a huge blow
to this community. I mean, Tokara was formed out of
can Lead needing workers to come down and build the mill.

(01:27:14):
So you know, at this stage there's been none of
that talk around.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
What about Pan Pac millon Hawks Bay, which is also
owned by OG apparently has stopped producing, has it?

Speaker 22 (01:27:25):
Look, I can't comment on that. I hadn't heard that today.
I haven't heard that. I've got further meetings next week
with OG senior management. I mean, you know those questions
that I can follow up on. I mean, all of
these mills are facing those same pressures rale industry.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Yeah, Joe listen, thank you very much for talking us
through that. I do appreciate it. As Joe Gallagher Air
Two's negotiation specialists. Hither those Olympians, by the way, have
stolen the run away from US truckies. It's been around
for years. I would like to see the transport industry
sender cease and desist letter to the chief to mission. Apparently,
the difference between this and the Nazi salute that is
there is how I reckon this is subtle. I appreciate

(01:28:00):
that there's a difference. The difference is that the Nazi
salute is apparently done from the center of the body,
a fact I did not know because not one to
involve myself in that kind of pursuit. But anyway, apparently
so whereas the Muna wave is supposed to be done
kind of across the body, if you know what I mean,
Like the Nazi salute goes out, the Munna wave is like, yeah,
just you just want to throw it out there from
right to left or left to right. Apparently, now on

(01:28:23):
the Kuiperter thing, we have hardly spoken about this because
we've been this is re the Maori Ward's been speaking
about what's been going on in New Plymouth. But the
Kuiperer thing today was pretty hectic because today it was
the first council dis establish the Maori Ward right and
probably is not going to be the last, and it
got tense. What happened is the protest. There were protesters

(01:28:43):
there who disrupted the meeting. One of the protesters actually
came into the meeting, the council meeting room. And the
reason that the protester was able to come into the
council meeting room is because the Maori Ward Counselor opened
the door for them, and so they came in and
they stood in the doorway and they did a hucker,
which means it was so loud obviously no one could speak,
and so they had to adjourn the meeting, and then

(01:29:04):
the coppers had to come, wasting police time. Police had
to come and remove the protester. Sounds like the Maori
Ward counselor also had kind of pulled up the blinds
so that you could see into the windows and you
could see into the doors as well. Once the meeting
got started, or when it was about to, they lowered
the blinds down again and they started the meeting, and
the protests were protested outside and they were singing while

(01:29:25):
the meeting was continuing, and then the Maori Ward Counselor
was warned that if she continued to operate in a
disorderly way, she would be removed from the meeting. The
meeting went on for an hour and then they had
to abandon it again because the Maori Ward Counselor once
again got up and opened the meeting venue doors. She
went outside the meeting at this point to go in
toe talk call, which means support the protesters outside. At

(01:29:47):
that point, the counselors had to leave the room. They
had to have the police inside and outside. Then the
Mardi Ward Councilor came back in and then the meeting
was reconvened. And then the Maori Ward Councilor tried a
different method, which was to basically keep putting points of order.
And Nati Fatsua then also previous to the meeting, filed
a judicial review against the council's decision to try to

(01:30:09):
stop it. But in the end, despite all of the
efforts from the protesters of the Mardi Ward Counselor and
Nazi Fatua, in the end the ward was disestablished anyway.
But I just want to say, right, you can choose
one of two ways to be able to get what
you want. One way is this kind of stuff. I mean,
protest is fine, but one way is but being disruptive

(01:30:31):
and wasting police time and all that other stuff that's
kind of borderline. It's starting to get irritating and not great.
You can choose that way and the shooting way and
all the other ways it's been going on lately, or
you can just use the democratic process. If you're so
keen on Maori Wards being established again, vote for a
party that's going to bring them in again. That's how
it works. That's how they got disestablished again because people

(01:30:53):
voted for the National Party and that party and the
New Zealand First Party and got rid of them. There's
always a democratic way to get what you want. You
don't have to use the other methods. Sixteen away from seven,
crunching the numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
And getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen with the
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Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
Kevin Gray is our UK correspondent this evening. Welcome back, Devin,
Hi there, Hea.

Speaker 18 (01:31:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
So unfortunately more gatherings planned for this evening in the UK.

Speaker 28 (01:31:20):
Yeah, yeah, people I think holding their breath a little
bit about what is going to happen, because there are
claims up to thirty potentially forty right wing far right
gatherings are being planned tonight and they are across the
country and in some of the major cities, but also
some of the areas that I think have been potentially

(01:31:42):
very very annoyed by the housing of asylum seekers and
those crossing the channel illegally in hotels near them, So
plenty of hotels being targeted as well. The Prime Minister
held is second Cobra or emergency meeting with ministers and
heads of staff, security and police yesterday. He says communities

(01:32:04):
will be safe and announced more than four hundred arrests
that have already been made. One hundred people have been
charged in connection with the disorder. They're beginning to trickle
through the courts now and six thousand public order officers
are being mobilized to respond tonight are times six thousands.
They've also made five hundred extra prison places available in

(01:32:26):
order to ease the pressure on the justice system here.
But quite extraordinary and already riotly standby forces setting up
neighborhood policing patrols, teams of detectives, drawing up on CCTV
and body worn footage and using facial recognition to try
and pin down those who are responsible.

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Devin, what was the straight to the t shock about.

Speaker 28 (01:32:50):
Well, of course we're not alone in this sudden Veer
two getting violent about migration and asylum in Ireland. Over
the last few weeks they've had an ongoing pressure there
where so many migrants have arrived, some incidentally coming from
the UK and getting into Ireland over the land border

(01:33:12):
with Northern Ireland, and plenty of people. They're just saying,
can't get hospital, can't get housing, can't get anything, and
pressure preferences being given to migrants. In this particular instance,
the Ta shock as he's called, the Irish Prime Minister
Simon Harris and his wife have had a threat against them.
It's thought there was a mention of knives on an

(01:33:33):
Instagram post about them, and he says he won't be
deterred from doing his job. But actually it comes just
a couple of days after a van was rammed into
the gates of his department, a big sort of rather
grand building with big wrought iron gates. Yeah, van rammed
into those. And it was six weeks since a hoax
bomb threat was made at Simon Harris's family home in

(01:33:55):
County Wicklow. Also, so many high profile Irish policy fish
have had crowds of people gathering outside their home shanting
things and all this really predominantly carrying anti immigration banners
and wearing masks. As I said, it's not just the weather,
the summer weather that's hot here. It is also the

(01:34:16):
tension and the heat that's brought about with the asylum process.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Yeah, okay, At that Polish guy who punched in Mark's
prime minister apparently can't remember doing it, Kenny, No, no,
So you.

Speaker 28 (01:34:27):
May remember that the Prime Minister of Denmark, Meta Frederickson,
suffered minor neck and shoulder injury. She was walking out
and about and she was simply punched by a man.
Is her or the security detail were there but didn't
manage to prevent an attack because it sort of came

(01:34:49):
out of the blue. And the suspects, who can't be
named for legal reasons, but we've been believed to be
a Polish man, has gone on trial in Copenhagen the
Danish capital charge with violence against a public servant and
several counts of indecent exposure and fraud relating to other incidents. Now,
what he's saying is that he remembers he was having

(01:35:09):
a bad day, He remembers approaching the prime minister, but
then doesn't remember ending until being effectively arrested and so yeah,
he can't remember rending. We'll wait to see where this
goes with the court. But interestingly made Frederickson, the Prime Minister,
won't have to give evidence, which probably spares quite some

(01:35:30):
political embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Yeah, fair enough, I Gevin, thank you so much, really
appreciate it. Gevin Gray, UK correspondent gies you'd think you'd
remember punching the Danish Prime minister, or maybe it's just convenient.
Do you remember that guy from the Capitol Riots who
became like the emblem of it, The guy who was
in all the picture do you know, the one with
the horns and the fury stuff and all the paint
on his face and stuff like that. That guy, the

(01:35:53):
QAnon Shaman as he's called. That guy's just want a
court case against the Department of Justice because the Department
of Justice has been hanging on to his helmet and
his spear this whole time, and he's wanted it back,
and so he's gone to the courts by the looks
of things, and the court has ruled that the Department
of Justice has not proved why he needs to keep it,
so needs to give it back to him. Eight away
from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Right, it's five away from seven, Okay. I got to
get you across what's happening overnight in the Olympics. So
I'm just going to tell you the metal stuff, really,
because that's the most important stuff. So Thomas Saunders is
in the sailing. He's going to be on at quarter
past eleven this evening hits that's a medal race. That's
the one person dinghy. Then you've got Michael Wilkinson in
the sailing at quarter to one in the morning. That's

(01:36:47):
a metal race. Obviously. Why am I saying it's a
metal race. I told you the only metal races. Before
quarter past four, you've got the pole vault. That's Eliza McCartney,
imogen A Rus and Olivia McTaggart final obviously. And then
if you're still awake seventeen minutes past five, you have
got the track cycling team pursuit women. That's a bronze

(01:37:11):
medal final. And then five twenty eight am, well you
might be getting up for this actually five twenty eight
am Team Pursuit Women Gold medal finals, so there's plenty
going on. We might as you come away with some
medals this evening fingers crossed.

Speaker 31 (01:37:24):
Heither, after you've watched all that, make sure you just
quickly take a nap because you'll need to be nice
and fresh for our show when it comes on at fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:30):
Yeah, where we can discuss all of the drama. Hither
off topic. I wanted to thank you for the recommendation
of Colin from accounts. Hey watched four episodes last night.
I laughed so hard it was good laughs. You are
welcome Kerrie anytime. Just stay tuned and I'll just tell
you all the good stuff to watch, because it's all
I watch. I haven't got the patience to watch nonsense anymore. Ants.

Speaker 31 (01:37:51):
The finalists for the seventeenth National Wayata Marii Music Awards
have been announced.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
This is one of them.

Speaker 31 (01:37:58):
This is Paradise by Cottery, which the song is up
for Best Song and the Cottery are up for Best
Marley Songwriters as well. Some of the other people in
the mix Corella One Drop Nation, Seth Harpo and a Coddington, Mahina,
Lawrence and Mohi and those awards happened on September the sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Are you pronouncing Kosherie writer or is it Kochierie?

Speaker 31 (01:38:19):
I thought it was cottery, but yeah, two T one
It would be appropriate than a story about Marley language
that I managed to stuff up the English word.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
That would be two T one t there's just one.
There's Kocherie as German. Isn't that Coacherie? Oh yeah, like
a great it's an okay chap, apologies to everyone anyway.
It could be Kocherie. Who knows which is that's a
bit sexy. If it is Coacherie, so good on them. Okay,
thanks for that and it appreciate it. See you tomorrow
and you still too be.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
It feels like summer again.

Speaker 24 (01:39:00):
Just fine to feel.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
It feels like summer again.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
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