Full Show Podcast: 8 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
news talk.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Said, be Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Coming up today, Shane Jones has some pretty koky ideas
for how to deal with the energy crisis. We're going
to talk to the actual energy minister Simme and Brown
after five more resistance to maths. What a surprise. The
Teacher Education Forum is now upset that future teachers will
have to have level two maths and all Birds is
having a tough old time. Will talk to Devin Funds, Greg.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Smith, Heather Dullen Well.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Inevitably, the Assies have now picked up on the slur
from Chris Luxen where he said when talking to Ossies,
it pays to be incredibly simple. And you know, good
thing is they seem to be taking it largely in
the spirit that it's intended, which is just a bit
of humor. And it also means Luxeon's play has worked,
which is that by having a crack at the Aussies,
what he was doing was distracting us from the actual issue,

(00:55):
which is Paul Goldsmith taking Marty words out of the
Mattaki invitation and as I say, it's largely worked. But look,
let's get to the heart of this actual issue. Right,
This actually was a dumb thing for Paul Goldsmith to do.
I mean, look, I guess why he might have done it.
I get he might want an invitation from him to
be authentic to him. And if he doesn't make a
habit of going around using Mary words in a tokenistic

(01:15):
fashion to show off his inclusivity credentials, then sure he
might want to take Terrell out of the invitation and
replace it with English. And that's fair enough. But Paul
Goldsmith is not an individual. He's a government minister and
he's going to have to start being a little smarter
and more strategic about this, because this government doesn't need
a petty issue like this on race relations to deal with,

(01:35):
because it's got enough going on as it is. A
lot of what the government is doing on race relations
is worthy and does need to be done. Repealing the
Maori wards, tidying up the Treaty principles, halting the co governance,
putting an end to certain ethnicities getting priority surgery, and
this stuff they can defend really easily on democratic and
equal rights grounds, right, But when Paul Goldsmith does something

(01:59):
like taking more words out of an invitation, Although it
may be true to his way of speaking, what he
does is he makes this democratic and equal rights reset
for some people just look like an anti Mahory thing.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
To be fair to him, he's not the only minister
who's been caught fighting petty battles over language like this.
He is just the latest minister to be busted doing it.
But it would pay for these guys next time they
want to do something like take Marty words out of
a document, to really think about whether that, if leaked,
is something that they want to add to the government's
race relations agenda, because there is a very fine line

(02:34):
between appearing to be four equal rights and appearing to
be just anti everything, Mary, and frankly, there are much
more important things going on in this country right now,
and energy crisis, a possible recession, a massive problem in health.
Just to give you a few but what are we
talking about? What are we going to remember from this
week Paul Goldsmith's invitation?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Did ever do for see? Ellen?

Speaker 5 (02:56):
Well, you're welcome to.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Let me know what you think. Nine two nine two
is the text? Understand a text? Aply listen the Minnesopa
Children has just put aud on a tamadiki on a
performance plan. She's written to the chief executive laying out
five new measures that she expects to be reported on
every single quarter. Karen Shaw, obviously is the Minister for Children.
Hey Karen, Hi, how's it going good? Thank you?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
The first thing that you want to know is what
percentage of children in care have been checked on by
their social worker at least once in the last two months?
Is this not happening to one hundred percent of them?

Speaker 6 (03:29):
What we'd gather from the Independent Children's Monitor reports is
this has not been happening. Unfortunately, those reports only come
out yearly, and we're actually being reactive instead of proactive.
So I'm going to make sure that we get these
quarterly reports so we can see it in real time
and actually make sure we're improving things.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
So what percentage of kids are actually getting checked on
every couple of months?

Speaker 6 (03:52):
From what I can remember, it was a very low number. Sorry,
I don't have that right in front of me, but
it was an unacceptable number and I brought it up
quite a lot while I was an opposition and it
never improved. So I want to make sure that we're
actually citing these young people and making sure they're safe.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I mean, is this not exactly the kind of thing
that should be done to make sure that kids who
are in care are not being abused and mistreated in
the way that we've just found out through the inquiry.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Absolutely, and that's why I am making sure that this
is one of my number one priorities, citing young people
and making sure that they're safe.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, So what's OT's problem? Do they just not want
to do it? Or are they under resource they don't
think it's important? What's up?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
I think it's a bit a bit of each of
what you've spoken about, and that's why I'm making sure
that we're resourcing the front line better so that they
are able to do these basic things that should be
getting done.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Okay, Now, the second thing you want to know is
around reports of concern? Right, you want to know how
many critical reports are handled within twenty four hours? What
do you reckon that number?

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Is?

Speaker 6 (05:01):
There are thousands of reports of concern, but we have
not been meeting the expectation of the time frames. And
this also bleeds into are we actually citing the young.

Speaker 8 (05:13):
People with critical reports of concern?

Speaker 6 (05:16):
So those two numbers will be very critical to make
sure that we are making sure that these young people
are safe in the homes that we are putting them
in as well.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, now the critical are we talking when we talk
about critical reports of concern? Are we talking about the
kind of report that you did before a child is
bashed to death by its parents? Is that what we're
talking about here?

Speaker 9 (05:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Critical would be a situation or we're a young person
we know would be an immediate danger. Would that be
through a domestic violence called out from police? It could
be from neighbors who have stated that they're seeing something
really really wrong in that place. That is critical, where
we know a young person is an immediate danger.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
And again OT is getting this and not dealing with
the critical things, not not everything, but not with the
critical things within a day.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
I don't think we actually have the true data on that.
We have bits and pieces, but not the true data.
And that's why I want to see the true, real
data to make sure that we're actually getting that right.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I see that you've said that there are some charities
who are dealers who are treating OT as a cash cow.
Which charities are you talking about?

Speaker 6 (06:28):
If you refer to the press release from Autonotominiki. There
are a couple in there where the bunds delivered, but
there's also some where we're still negotiating around clawbacks and
making sure that we do get that money back. I'm
not going to be naming and shaming different organizations, but
what I am going to be saying is this will

(06:50):
no longer be happening. If you don't provide a service,
you don't get to keep the money you give them
money back.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Does this press release actually name and shame.

Speaker 6 (07:00):
It just responds to some who have been in the
media and gives an explanation of why their funding may
have been been decreased, or just because when you go
out to the media and you talk about something, we
need to make sure that the facts are correct.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Okay, So, Karen, are you telling me that if I
go and look at that press release, it's going to
have some names in there, and those names are in
some cases treating it like a cash cow.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Well not specifically those organizations treating it like a cash cow,
But what I mean is, if you're under delivering and
you're not providing a service. In the past, you have
not had to give that madeback. We are now making
sure that that money comes back.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Why don't you say these people, I mean these people,
you are getting absolute grief at the moment from these
charities and they are heaping all kinds of criticism on OT.
Why don't you just name them.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Some of the decisions that have been made for modern automitiki.
There are many, many organizations. I don't specifically know the
names of each individual organization. Those are operational matters. But
what I have been told that there is a group
of organizations that have been growing big surpluses of savings
from army and now we're asking for it back.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
All right, Hey, Karen, thank you very much. I'm I'm
going to dig out that press release as soon as
soon as we possibly can. See what's going on here,
Karen Shaw, the Minister for Children, quarter.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Past digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's Heather Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand one
giant Leap for business U Stalks.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
That'd be Darcy water grade sports talkhosters with me.

Speaker 10 (08:43):
Hey, Dars, we're both trying to read the Olympic program,
aren't I trying to work out what's on? Where Wyan
how so it's me in the middle of the night.
I've got ten of these in front of me, trying
to work out what I need to record now I
change and how many screens I've got gone Because it's
one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
The newists are out again tonight, aren't No I.

Speaker 10 (08:59):
Can do kayak sprint K four five hundred Semi final
two is at ten to ten tonight. That's Clancy, like Garth,
Emery and Brown. And when it comes to Emory, I'm sorry,
not Emory and Brown. When it comes to Brown and Clancy.

Speaker 11 (09:14):
They are the two blokes. Yeah, the C two five hundred.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
Now they've got a B final at twenty past eleven tonight,
and there's a potential that the K four men and
the five hundred, well those guys still there, of course,
will be in the final.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
At tat again. Quite well, okay, let's just get this right.
So the two canoeists who have apparently embarrassed the whole
nation are going to do their canoe semi final, no,
their kayak semifinal at ten to ten. Then they go
do the canoe final B final, yep B final. No
medals there, no no medals there. That's a twenty past eleven,

(09:49):
and then after that if they've made it into the
kayaking final, which dear God, I hope they have because
that's the whole point of being there. N they're doing
that at ten to twelve.

Speaker 10 (09:56):
And that's a ten to twelve and so that's hard
on the heels of Carrington, Vaughan, bre and Hoskin, who
are going to be in the final of the K
four five hundred and four women pressure.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Much strategy question for you?

Speaker 10 (10:08):
Well, all of my knowledge of canoe races.

Speaker 12 (10:11):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Ok, strategy question. So, if they make it through the
K four semi final, which means that they have to
in the space of like half an hour, do a
C two B final, a canoeing B final and then
a kayaking final, do you just and you can't not
turn up for the canoeing, which you're crappy at. Do
you just start rowing and then tip the boat because

(10:33):
you want to conserve your energy?

Speaker 10 (10:35):
And we could say that, I argue, if you want
to do doing this three months, we forgot how to
stay up in these things. We're really hard to stay out.
Dunk yourself and fall on either that will just lie down.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah, then and then you can conserve you your arms
because you're going to need them in a half an hour.

Speaker 10 (10:49):
Well, the way they row, I'm really not sure that
there's any energy expelled anyway, it's so slow.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Is it a second strategy around though?

Speaker 10 (10:58):
That you're going to keep your motor running right, so
now you're getting a bit of a pedal keep you
from seizing.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
A second strategy question. If they do not make it
through the semi final for the kayaking, and then they
know they're not going to make the final for the kayaking,
the only thing they've got left to do is the canoeing.
Do they just go hard?

Speaker 10 (11:14):
Yeah, I'm surprising, but their technique is pants.

Speaker 11 (11:18):
So yeah, that's very very difficult.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Okay, very difficult. Maybe they could redeem it.

Speaker 10 (11:25):
They might, but I think we're all leaning on what
happens because if they can get to the K four final,
suddenly everything's okay, we saw your master plan.

Speaker 11 (11:35):
We're all good with that.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Okay, I like it. I like it. Okay, what do
you think about Razor Squad?

Speaker 10 (11:40):
It's good that team to come up against Argentina. We
have very sensible selections in the first couple of tests,
and now we're starting to stretch awey bit and he said,
you know, Rico, not entirely sure. If you really have sentus,
we'll just stick you on the bench and you can
cover wing and center if we need you. And Tom
jump in there and have a look. I like the
cut of your jib a little meata. I thought maybe
Procter might get a role in there. So I think

(12:01):
that's the biggest call.

Speaker 11 (12:03):
Nice to see t J.

Speaker 10 (12:04):
Bittenara back playing at home again.

Speaker 11 (12:06):
I think that's good.

Speaker 10 (12:07):
We've got very thin lockstocks, gottam of thin lockstocks. We
get blocks keep dropping out, so we've got I think
I'm wrong. Having eighteen test matches between the two starting
locks are not a great but I think the development
we're seeing here with Scott Robinson and his side and

(12:27):
what he's wanting out of these players, it can only
be good. So I think the Wellington crowd will be
But because they are the best results of recent times, I.

Speaker 11 (12:36):
Heard they are still tickets available. Come on, Wellie, what
are you doing.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
I mean they've had a whole bunch of people lose
their jobs in Wellington, haven't they. They're the hardest hit
aren't they? As Cozy lives a hitting them hard.

Speaker 10 (12:47):
Well, you live down there, you'd know most of them
work for the government.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Don't they. I feel so yeah, yeah, okay, what about water,
grape sports?

Speaker 13 (12:59):
Stock?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
With that, more of this misery.

Speaker 14 (13:04):
Were good?

Speaker 10 (13:04):
Non blake Outa joins the show after seven.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and us talks.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
That'd be twenty five past four.

Speaker 15 (13:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I told you at the start of the program that
Shane jos has got some kookie ideas about how to
deal with the energy crisis. Not all of them are kookie.
One of them is that he wants to regulate. And
I'll get to the cookie stuff later, but one of
them is that he wants to regulate the gen Taylors.
These are the companies that generate electricity and then sell electricity.
The gent tailors he reckons not behaving competitively. He's not

(13:39):
happy about that. He wants to force them to behave competitively.
He's also had a crack directly at Meridian for paying
one hundred million dollars to the NITA who tried to
get a resource consent. He says he doesn't like that
type of behavior. Laura is Meridian speaking. No, what a
surprise anyway, So Simeon Brown, who is actually the Minister

(14:01):
for Energy, is going to be with us after five o'clock.
We'll have a chat Tam about that. How amazing have
you seen? Have you seen the effort that that Indian
olympian went to try to get her weight under the
right amount so that she could compete in the wrestling
This woman she was due to compete in the fifty
kg freestyle wrestling final overnight our time, right, so it
was basically going for gold. Unfortunately, so fifty kgs comes

(14:26):
in one hundred grams over. This is the night before
and she's got to compete the next morning. So what
she does overnight is she starts trying to drop weight, right,
stops drinking liquid. I don't know if she eats anything,
probably not. Probably tries to get the pose out, you know,
to like get everything going. Even went so far as
to cut her hair to try to get her weight off.

(14:46):
Still though it didn't work, came in just a few
grams over the weight that was allowed, and she was
disqualified and so she cannot go for gold. And then
as a result of not drinking any water. She's hospitalized
for severe dehydration and they give her the intravenous flu
fluids and stuff. She's fine now, but obviously gutted because
because it might have been gold. But anyway, that them
are the rules, and unfortunately these kinds of things happen. Heither,

(15:09):
I disagree. Why would you send an invitation with Maori
words when you're sending it to an English speaking Australianhither,
You're wrong. It is basic good manners to communicate in
the language the recipient understands. Heather, I can't say this
very often. Totally disagree with you, Heither, You and other
woke media are the only ones who feel the need
to talk. That's right, me woke, woke from wayback is

(15:30):
what they always say about me. That got their Heather,
she's so woke anyway. I had to go on an
Aussie radio station today to talk about this right and
defend Chris Luxen, and then afterwards we listened in for
a little bit to hear what they were saying. So
I've got you a little bit of that stuff to
play you as well. Bear with headlines are.

Speaker 10 (15:50):
Next Plenty Nights on the Pink scales.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
You taught them to enjoy the day's newsmakers.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Talk to Heather first, Heather duper c allan drive with
one New Zealand let's get connected and news talk z B.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Heather, get off your high horse. You sounded woke, apologized,
launch can excuse me? And please can you clip this
up for future use like we have got to We've
got to remember this day. I'm being accused of being woke.
This is how wonderful, how one. I mean, what a shock.
There are people in this world who will be shocked.

(16:44):
But thank you, I really appreciate that. I'm going to
get you across. The announcement from Simmy and Brown on
the water thing, it solves. It seems to at least
go some way to solving the problems that councils have
about how they're going to fundle the you know, the
water assets that they need to build in it now
that three Waters has gone and so on. Very excited
to tell you we now have a third bank calling

(17:04):
on the Reserve Bank to cut the rates next week.
It's ASB. The bank's economists say. Activity indicators have pointed
to the growing likelihood of another period of GDP contraction
a much softer outlook than the RB and Z. The
Reserve Bank of New Zealand had been anticipating the risk
of tight monetary policy overshooting has got real. We think

(17:25):
the time for the Reserve Bank to cut is now.
So that's ASB KEW Bank and B and Z I mean,
I'd prefer that. Like Frankly, the power of those three
combined to me is much greater than the power of
Adrian All but you know, he's ultimately in charge and
he does weird things, doesn't he. Twenty three away from five.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
It's the world wires on us dogs drive well.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
It's been a much carbon night than we expected. In
the UK. There have been no reports of anti immigration
riots or violence, but there were a number of left
wing counterprotests overnight our time, which were mostly peaceful. The
metropol And Police Commissioner says the cops will put an
end to any further unrest.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
We've changed our tactics in the last couple of days,
so besides marsling more officers, we're brigading some of them
at key strategic locations across the country so that we
can respond with agility and show a whelming force, so
that the criminals and thigs on the streets don't succeed
Ozzie Prome.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Minister Elbow has responded to our own Prime Minister's joke
about Ossie's in Parliament yesterday. So Chris Luxon, this is
what he said when he was defending Paul Goldsmith's decision
to cut all the Marty words out of an invitation
to an Ossie cabinet minister.

Speaker 11 (18:32):
And what I'd say to you.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
In my dealings with the Australians, it's always pays to
be incredibly simple and clear and use English.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Here's what Albow thinks of that.

Speaker 10 (18:41):
Christopher Luxen's a friend of mine, but I often think
that whilst we both speak English, sometimes we need interpreters
with the Kiwi accent. From time to time things can
be missed between.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Us and Lord it's rich coming from him with that accent.

Speaker 11 (18:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And finally, a wallaby's been hanging out on a golf
course in England. A greenkeeper at oakme A golf course
spot of the Marsupial on one of the greens center
photo to a course official. The official assumed it was
a prank until a club member came ford and said
that's seen the wallaby around the course too. The club
has now reported the wallaby to the local Wildlife Trust.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
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Speaker 3 (19:22):
Murray Old Lossie correspondents with us.

Speaker 16 (19:23):
Now, hey, mus yet made bonds of beauty, beauty bonzer.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Mate, I mean even there, you must appreciate that Elbow's
accent is atrocious.

Speaker 16 (19:35):
Well matey, Yes, I mean he does seem to have
a unique way of mangling Australian English, that's for sure.

Speaker 12 (19:41):
But I remember my mum bless her years ago.

Speaker 16 (19:44):
I'd come home for a holiday to crash church and said, MARSA,
I don't understand her.

Speaker 12 (19:49):
What just sign? So even poor old mum.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Struggled, that's a really bad qui accent.

Speaker 12 (19:56):
Mars.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
We're going to forgive you. Hey, So, I see your
governor is still talking tough on maybe hiking the old
ocre there.

Speaker 12 (20:03):
Absolutely right.

Speaker 16 (20:05):
Michelle Bullock says the bank will not hesitate to lift
rates if inflation looks like getting out of hand. She
said that is the number one issue over here. The
Reserve Bank did keep the cash right on hold Heather
on Tuesday, as we know, at that regular meeting and
suggested the earliest rate cut would come early in twenty
twenty five, which would time in with the government's planned election.

(20:27):
A pretty down well. But the governor today had a
speech in northern New South Wales and said, guess what.
The board is focused on getting inflation down because it
impacts everybody. One third of Australians have a mortgage and
that's tough. She said, agreed, lots and lots of people
are struggling, but she's more concerned about the greater good
and the bank's inflation target range two to three percent.

(20:49):
By Christmas twenty twenty five, they're saying the rate right
now of inflation three point eight percent. And watch also
for a bit of a bonfight between the Reserve Bank
and the governant the government.

Speaker 12 (21:01):
I should say it's my Australian accent the.

Speaker 16 (21:03):
Government because the Government says things are looking good, the
Reserve Bank says not so flash.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah. Hey, sucks to be Alan Joyce today, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (21:13):
Yeah, he's not worried about inflation though. Parole Alan the
former Quadis boss. He's last year. He got a bugger
off paycheck because he was leaving after fifteen years from
the top job. His goodbye check was twenty five million dollars. Well,
the outcry was such the board of the Flying Kangaroo
called in an outsider and said, can you run your

(21:34):
eye over the books please? Well, guess what, Alan Joyce
has been snipped ten million dollars because he wasn't that good.
After all, he has to survive on his final payout
of fifteen million. Have a listen what they found the
Flying Kangaroo under Alan Joyce's leadership. Basically, the relationship between
staff and the public just pancaked. It found between the

(21:55):
Flying Kangaroo and its own staff dreadful because I went
and sacked heaps of people while paying the executive's.

Speaker 12 (22:02):
Enormous amounts of money.

Speaker 16 (22:04):
So basically, Alan Joyce, look, once upon a time Australians
would queue up to fly quantas. Now you talk to
anybody in the street, the golf club, the pub, they
go out of their way to avoid flying conas because
it's so bloody horrible.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, okay, that's quite interesting insight. Hey, pretty good, pretty
good Olympics for you, guys am.

Speaker 12 (22:24):
The Australian are doing well.

Speaker 16 (22:25):
The best return ever at an Olympic Games in terms
of medals won, in terms of gold medals for that matter,
eighteen gold medals and the best in a single day
ever yesterday with six medals, including four gold medals in
four hours. You know, the men's skateboard, the women's skateboard.
That little child's fourteen years old and he just knocked
them off.

Speaker 12 (22:44):
Which was extraordinary.

Speaker 16 (22:46):
Sailing, a women's pole vault, and so on, track cycling
and Australian now third in the medals tally. I've been
asked over here to do a few lines on per capita.
Dominica comes out on top, one gold medal from a
population of seventy thousand people. Australians are coming in fourth,
eighteen gold medals from twenty seven billion, New Zealander sixth

(23:07):
and the United States way down in thirty fourth place.
China one point four billion people, twenty five gold medals,
they are forty eight.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Oh, we'll have to do it per capita. I appreciate that, thanks,
Mars appreciated. It's Murray Olds Australia corresponds.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
The only way to do.

Speaker 17 (23:20):
It, eh M.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
All right, So this is what the water's plan is
going to look like. This is the water plan the
government's revealed to replace how three waters is going to work.
And this is in particular with regards to the funding
because the council has been freaking out about this. Okay,
So the council controlled water bodies that are going to
run the water will immediately be able to borrow money
to build water infrastructure through what the government is calling

(23:44):
the Local Government Funding Agency. They've got a year after that,
they've got to figure out how they're going to get
the money they need through the water rates and stuff
like that. Before a year they're going to be sorted
out by this local government funding agency. And this funding
agency can borrow at rapes rates cheaper than councils, like,
so much cheaper that they're going to be able these
council controlled organizations, the water bodies will be able to

(24:05):
borrow about twice what they could borrow on their own
through this funding body. So that's going to help them
out a lot. It's pretty technical stuff, but we'll ask
Sam and Brown just a little bit about that. I'm
kind of interested if we get time. He's removed the
requirement for the water bodies and the water regulator, the
one who sets the quality of the water and stuff

(24:25):
like that keeps an eye on it. He's removed the
requirement for them to give effected to money will tell why,
which has been a subject of some discussion on the
program recently. I'm not sure that that fixes the problem
for the farmers, who I think still face issues with
what the local ee say and the councils and acting
it and stuff like that. But if we get time,
we'll hit them up about that. Bary Soapers with US
next sixteen Away from.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
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Speaker 3 (24:49):
Certainty Very Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hey Barry
good afternoon. Ossie seemed to be taking this comment from
Chris Luxon as it's intended, which is just a bit
of banter.

Speaker 14 (24:59):
You said in your editorial there are much more important
things to be talked true about, and I think you're
absolutely right that. You know, when I heard the story
initially I thought, oh, somebody in the public service is leaking,
trying to embarrass the minister. If I was sitting in
the minister's chair I was writing a letter to my
counterpartner Australia, I certainly would have written it in English

(25:21):
and not in Maldy. And you know, I think that
was to be expected. So what all the brew hahas about,
I'm not quite sure. But anyway, it's been sort of
built up into this government being out of step with
Maldi in some way. And I thought that quit from
Luxeon in the House yesterday saying it pays to be

(25:42):
incredibly simple and clear and use English when you're writing
to Australians, and the rejoined it today by Alban Easy
that you know, when you understood, if you understand listen
to New Zealand, you have to understand that you might
need an interpreter sometimes.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
I mean it's good nature, but you know.

Speaker 14 (26:02):
I think Paul Goldsmith was absolutely in his right to
do that. And there are more important things to be
talking about, and I noticed the mainstream media hasn't been
talking about it, and that is the speech that was
made in Parliament yesterday by Riewa Packer, the co leader
of the MALDI party. And another thing that's probably more

(26:23):
important to be talking about too, here is Darlene Tana.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
She got her first question today. She got her first
question today.

Speaker 14 (26:32):
Was boring, boring, and it was quite funny because the
minister standing in for Shane Jones happened to be Winston
Peters Now he was awfully polite to her, gave her
the answer, and I thought he could have made a
snide remark, but he didn't. And Darlen Tarna, she asked

(26:53):
about three questions, no follow up from anybody else in
the house, and she sat.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Down about oceans.

Speaker 14 (26:59):
Yes, that's right, that's about effective as an independent MP
can be. And the Greens, of course, as we know,
they'll be considering it again whether they'll be using the
Waker legislation.

Speaker 11 (27:11):
They'll be considering that on September first, so.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
They give Karen Saw a hard time in parliament again
they did.

Speaker 14 (27:16):
And look, I really admire carent Sure. I think you
know she was brought up in a very difficult circumstance.
She's had all sorts of racial abuse about her not
being a maldi. I think she has one thing and
she's beaten her gums about it constantly. The only thing
that she's concerned about is the safety of children, and

(27:38):
I think everyone would empathize with that. And now we
see her on a tamariki that I've got to report
essentially now every quarter to the Minister to make sure
things that have only been reported on once a year
don't happen. Sure faced as you said here a barrage
of questions in the house today, but it was unflinching

(28:01):
in a view that aram Arounga Tamariki needs to be
more accountable.

Speaker 18 (28:05):
Clearly things need to change. When a child is killed
every five weeks in this country, and so many more
are abused and neglected by those who are meant to
care for them, than a new approach is desperately needed.
By making Ordering a tomatique report every three months and
making these reports public, it will give Order Timidiki the
focus it needs to ensure that it is delivering on

(28:27):
its core purpose keeping children and young people safe.

Speaker 14 (28:30):
And on that note, you know, I was reading a
story in the online today that basically five men and
Nelson are facing illegal weapons charges. In fact, officers in
June they were serving a search warrant on a house.
Three loaded rifles leading up against a wall in a

(28:51):
bedroom next to a child's cot were found and all
of the weapons were loaded with round's chambered, and they
didn't have their safety switches on. You imagine that right
next to a cop with little children.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Pretty crazy people do some weird things, an't you Listen,
this water plan that's been announced by Simmy and Brown.
How far does this go to fixing the funding concerns.

Speaker 14 (29:14):
Well, it creates big loans, doesn't it for councils.

Speaker 11 (29:18):
And what it does is by splitting off the.

Speaker 14 (29:21):
Taking apart the three waters issue, and I think it
had to be taken apart, makes some councils responsible for
their own water supplies. What it means is that councils
that have been able to afford in the past to
look after water supply, like Auckland for example, they won't
be impacted terribly on this at all. They'll have to,

(29:41):
no doubt come up with more infrastructure. But what this does,
is you said hither just before I came on that
what it does is allows councils to get money at
a much more cheaper rate. More but in the end,
more and cheaper is the key to this. In the end,
the debt is still there and who ends up paying

(30:03):
the debt? That's unavoidable though precisely well, we have to
spend money on wall totally.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
You're right, Barry, Thank you appreciate it's Bary sober seeing
your political correspondent eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Putting the tough question to the Newspeakers the Mike Hosking.

Speaker 15 (30:17):
Breakfast, Mark Mitchell was accused of barring Ginny Anderson from
visiting the Albany Police station. The police Minister. Mark Mitchell's
with us. Are you a monumental hypocriticals?

Speaker 4 (30:24):
No, not at all.

Speaker 19 (30:25):
I was blocked from meeting with the police Commissioner of
Ginny Anderson. It's sent to a quest yesterday to meet
with the police commissioner. It would have been approved and
sent back within thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
She didn't do that.

Speaker 19 (30:34):
She requests to get it an operational police station with
another listening and can specify who she was going to
meet with. She is welcome to go to a police station, please,
let didn't find who she wants to speak to it
because just rocking up to a police station and saying
I want to walk in there and just talk to
commissioned officers, that is not a goer. It's not a library,
it's an operational police station.

Speaker 15 (30:51):
Back tomorrow at six am the Make Hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the Larne News.

Speaker 12 (30:55):
Toalg Z b.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Oh Dear that has been down measured again, hasn't it?
I mean, can these guys copper break. So I mean's
only just back in service after it ran aground and
picked in because somebody didn't realize that had to press
the fire the button for five minutes. And now what's
happened is it was trying to birth in Wellington. It
hit what's called a link span. It's damaged its hull.

(31:18):
No one was injured, passengers were able to get off.
Vehicles have been on board like obviously kept on board
while checks were made. No risks to the ship itself
because the damage is above the water line. But I mean,
somebody didn't know how to ride a boat, do they?
I don't know how to drive the thing or something's
going on anyway. Guess what. Guess what. Simeon Brown is

(31:39):
quite apart from being the Minister in charge of the
Water Announcement, also the Minister in charge of Energy, he
also happens to be the Minister in charge of Kiwi Rail.
So we're gonna have a lot to talk to him about.
We're gonna have to bump overy, we don't have to
clean our slate, so we've got a lot to talk
to Simeon about. When he's with us. In just a
few minutes, time on the teaching maths thing. I just
got to get you across this. I can't believe. I

(31:59):
just can't. I'm constantly gobsmapped, gobsmacked that people are this
resistant to maths. The latest resistance is coming from the
Teacher Education Forum. There's been a meeting between ITE providers
and the Teaching Council today and they have raised some
a snaphooy calling it. They've raised some concerns, including the
fact that teachers primary school teachers would now need NCEEA

(32:23):
Level two maths. The Teacher Education Forum executive chair doctor
Razina Mary said the changes do not make any sense.
What's the problem? I mean, like, listen, Level two is
year is sixth form, isn't it? Level two? You should
be doing maths at sixth form. You should be doing
maths at sixth form. You should also be doing maths

(32:45):
at seventh form. This should just be like, this should
be a core thing that you do. Should between your
maths and your English and your science, whichever of the sciences.
But you should just do these things and then if
you want to go be a teacher, you've got like
I don't know why we don't just do this thing anyway,
but anyway, we're talking to them and minutes so we'll
ask them. News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3 (33:25):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
The government's announced more details on its replacement for three waters,
specifically what they're going to do with the debt funding.
They've announced that water bodies, which will be controlled by councils,
will be able to borrow more money and more cheaply
from the Local Government Funding Agency than they would be
able to do by themselves. Simeon Brown is the Local
Government Minister and with us now, hey.

Speaker 20 (33:44):
Simeon, good evening.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
How much more cheaply can they get it from this
funding agency?

Speaker 20 (33:50):
Well, if you go out and get excepted deep on
the open market, which is what some councils do do,
it'd be about two percent more expensive. So this is
significantly cheaper. This is lgfas triple A rated because of
the support that they get from COSS, guarantees from councils
and the supportive Crown. They already fund councils excess international

(34:12):
markets and this is the best way to be able
to ensure that we can keep water as sets in
local control, with local ownership, they can affordably make those
investments they need whilst also keeping costs down for consumers.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Okay, and so are you just giving them a year's
worth of access to this money or does it continue
after that?

Speaker 13 (34:30):
No?

Speaker 20 (34:30):
This is this is this continues after that. This is
this is an endurable solution for water infrastructure in New Zealand.
This is a deal being done to ensure that we
can allow councils to invest in the long term infrastructure
they need in an affordable way. We don't need the
ten mega co governed entities the last government was putting

(34:51):
in place. All we need to do is work with
local government and have a solution which works for them.
And that's what this government's done in nine months.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So, I mean, why that theory just crashing.

Speaker 20 (34:59):
Well, Well, I've just been on the phone to Keywi Rail.
There's been as high wind conditions down here are and
a number of other things which I think they're looking into.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
What are the number of other things?

Speaker 20 (35:17):
Well, I think the key we rale CEO is here.
We were spoke to him a few minutes ago in
terms of whether or not they were, you know, entering
the particular course correctly. Ultimately they'll be looking into that
and have more to say about that shortly. But there
are high wind conditions here and Wellington right now.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
But that's normal, saman, That's not really a surprise, is okay?
So who puts the little course.

Speaker 20 (35:40):
In well I think those are the things that they're
looking into to ensure that the correct But.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Is it the dudes on board are the guys on
the bridge?

Speaker 20 (35:48):
I mean, we've we've been making out point very clearly
around the operations of that organization that they need to
be lifting the game. And that's why we're refreshing the
board and we're going to be and we're setting very
clear expectations doing it.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
But they keep on crushing the boat in the meantime,
don't they?

Speaker 20 (36:07):
Well, these things these exactly and this work needs to
be dune to ensure that.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Let me just get this clear, Saman, Are you telling
me that while they're trying to birth in Wellington's somebody
there is the possibility and we are investigating that somebody
has put the wrong coordinates in ok.

Speaker 20 (36:23):
I don't have all the answers. What I'm telling you
is we've been given a briefing around what's taken place.
It's being looked into. But the reality here is that
we need to ensure that that process goes is underway.
I want to make it very clear to the public.

(36:43):
We have been unimpressed with the way key Rail has
been managing its assets and operations.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
But this is what asset management problem? Is it me?
I mean, this is just somebody being done.

Speaker 20 (36:54):
Well, we don't know all the answers just yet.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yes, well, possibly this is possibly being done. How long
is this thing going to be out of commission for?

Speaker 20 (37:00):
I think a couple of days is what I've been advised.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Man alive, Are you just putting your hair out at
these people?

Speaker 13 (37:06):
Well?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yes, okay, Now are you on board? This is really
the energy crisis is actually what I want to talk
to you about. Are you on board with Shane Jones's
idea of forcing gent tailors to charge less for power?

Speaker 20 (37:17):
Well, the reality is we have an energy shortage. That
is the key issue here at the moment, and that
is because of the last government's policies where they've put
the ban on or and gas in place. They had
this ridiculous twenty thirty target of one hundred percent renewal energy.
They shelled the market by saying they're going to board
a lake at the bottom of the South Island and the
Mountains called Lake Conzo, costing sixteen billion dollars. We have

(37:39):
an energy shortage crisis. That's the issue here. I do
have an update in terms of a number of key
things that are being done. Firstly, Transpower has just announced
that they will be starting consultation on changes to bring
forward hydrogenerators' ability to access contingent storage. So that has

(37:59):
been forward. That is really important change. It's just been
announced by Transpower in terms of being for that additional
storage in those lakes and making that available based on
the risk curves that we're seeing. The Ultracity Power Ultricty
Authority also using their powers to commence an investigation of
the Section sixteen of the Ultricity Industry Act into spot pricing,

(38:23):
including whether generators are profiting through this time. I think
it's really important to make it clear that we need
to have full assurances we're not seeing price garging during
this shortage, and I've made my expectations very clear to
the EA on that, and we are getting advice on
the powers around what needs to be done. But I

(38:43):
think the key message is that we have a shortage
of energy and that is what is driving the situation.
We do need assurances that there's no that price gaging
is not happening. We've got that work underway, but we
have an energy shortage as a country and that is
the most critical issue we need to.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Res Okay, I'm glad you're saying that, because I feel
like Shane Jones is barking up the wrong tree with
what he's talking about. I'm gonna get to that later.
But the energy shortage that we've got is primarily caused
by a gas shortage. So what are you doing about it?

Speaker 20 (39:13):
Well, that's why we've announced yesterday that the government is
looking at importation of liquid natural gas.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Where would you store it?

Speaker 20 (39:24):
Well, that is not required to be stored. If this
is something which can be imported on ships and pumped
into the existing pipelines. The advice we've received is that
this is something that could be set up in a
not a short period of times a year away the
time it would take some time, So we're getting further

(39:44):
advice around the speed and what was required in order
to do this. We're facing a dry year at the moment.
There's been low snowfall on the southern Alps, which means
there's low storage down there. We're seeing low wind. We've
obviously that the gas situation is worsened this year quite quickly,
and so we are putting this option on the table

(40:05):
because it's very clear that New Zealanders cannot afford to
see the shortage continuing.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Still, for a gas producing nation to be important gas
does sound a little kooky. So what we actually need
to do is get the existing people in this country,
the existing investors, to be drilling and looking for more gas.
Are you making any headway there?

Speaker 20 (40:23):
Well, that's where we're repealing the oil and gear, but.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
That's still not wanting to do it because labor. If
labour gets in in sixty years or nine years or something,
you're just going to do crazy stuff.

Speaker 20 (40:32):
That's one of our biggest issues we face the country
is around sovereign risk, Yes, and all of these questions,
and that is because of that. This is the reckless
decisions made by the last Are.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
You making any headway convincing them? To put money in
or are you coming up with any ideas to be
able to kind of hold off Labour's crazy.

Speaker 20 (40:47):
There is work underway in that space and I'm working
very closely with Honorable Shane Jones on that.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
And when are we going to see it?

Speaker 20 (40:55):
Well, you're seeing we've made commitments around that legislation coming
into Parliament the year. Okays, that work is underway, but
I would just point I would just make the point
and remind your listeners that the sovereign risk issue that
has been created by the previous government is a very
serious issue and it has been reckless and it is
It is one of the things which worries me the

(41:16):
most about the future of our energy security as a nation. Yeah, fair,
we need energy as a country and what they did
has it made fixing these problems a lot harder than
they should be.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
So me and thank you, mate, appreciate it. Sim And Brown,
local Government Minister, Minister for Energy, Minister for Transport. By
the way, I spoke to somebody last night who's involved
in the energy industry about labor and I said, surely
labor has learned its lesson and it's going to ditch
this ridiculous one hundred percent renewables policy and the oil
and gas ban surely And they were like, no, we
just caught up with Megan Woods this month or recent

(41:52):
in the last month, and no, no, she's they're going
to re announce that as a policy. How crazy is that?
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Speaker 4 (42:52):
Heather do for Cela.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Heather. There is no wind at Wellington at present. It
hasn't been all day, Heather. Simeon is telling bs current
wind in Wally is eight kur get a grip. Hither
Kiwi Rails telling Porky's gentle breeze and Wellington Hither I'm
driving around Evans Bay and Wellington. The water could not
be more calm. There's no like multiple texts saying there's
no wind. So given Kiwi Rails performance in this area,

(43:14):
was it the wind or was it really somebody putting
the wrong coordinates into the computer? Hmmm, I wonder. Twenty
past five Now there's more resistance to maths, this time
to the Teaching Council's plan, and the plan is to
require new teachers to basically swat up on their maths,
have fourteen maths credits at NCAA Level two before they
become a teacher. The Teacher Education Forum has some problems

(43:36):
with that. There Chief executive is doctor Rosina Mary and
with us. Now, hey, Rozina, what's the problem with new
teachers doing level two maths before they become teachers.

Speaker 21 (43:47):
Well, it's quite a bigger complex picture than an issue
around doing level two. I mean, this is a very
significant change that will take some time to tick in.
It's then currently the universitarily enter requirement. Yeah, and it

(44:08):
does mean for providers and for people who are thinking
about becoming teachers, it's a significant shift. There is an
assumption that school leaders will already be thinking that they
want to become teachers and be really clear on the
level and the amount of credits they would need to
then be able to enter the profession, which clearly isn't correct,

(44:32):
and many many people.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Come the problem. I mean, I don't want somebody teaching
the kids who doesn't understand maths at that level, so good.
We should only have people who understand maths at that
level and if they've done it, they can be teachers.
And if they haven't, bugger off.

Speaker 21 (44:46):
That's a much much bigger problem than that. And it's
a complex program process you have to think about. Teaching
is complex, it's messy, and we are not against working
with the teaching counsel to increase the level of entry requirements.
What we want is some time, a pause, some good evidence,

(45:08):
some consultation, to be able to work with our stakeholders
every day.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Every year that you guys put this off is another
year of kids not learning maths properly.

Speaker 21 (45:19):
Well, that's actually not what some of our stakeholders would say,
and that learning maths is a much bigger problem than that.
And we're not suggesting we put it off. We're suggesting
slowing it down a little bit. The pace of change
for teachers and for the sector is huge. They're already
coping with new curriculum now our curriculum that's going to

(45:40):
be fast forwarded with structured literacy and numeracy. So we
need some really time to work through that and make
sure there are resources in place, good PD for teachers,
a whole lot of other things to actually make this successful.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Look, I have some sympathy for teachers. I realize it's
a lot of change fast, Rizina. Thank you, doctor is
in a married teacher Education Forum Chief Executive five twenty two.

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Speaker 3 (46:11):
They'd be teaching is complex, Well, host job is not complex.
Think teaching is complex. Try being an engineer. They need maths.
You've got to teach them the maths. So how about
we get on with that anyway, going for hours about us?
Can we five twenty five?

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Now?

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I was really really glad to hear Simeon Brown just
before actually articulating the problem, the real problem in the
energy sector with this crisis at the moment, because Shane
Jones is giving me a fright. Because when Shane Jones
was on this program on Tuesday and said that his
solution to the current energy crisis was to force the
power retailers to offer sweetheart deals to the mills in
regional New Zealand who are in trouble like they do

(46:47):
to t Y, I just assumed he was spitballing. He
was just making things up on the fly, just doing
some blue sky thinking, but because it was crazy. But
it turns out I was wrong. He's actually repeated it
again this morning. I mean, he actually thinks that this
is a solution. It is not a solution. I'm sure
it would help the mills.

Speaker 12 (47:04):
Out.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Of course, subsidy always helps, doesn't it. But someone asks,
if there's a subsidy, someone's going to have to pay
for it, And the people who would be paying for
that is you and I the households, because FYI, in
case you didn't know, we are paying so that Tay
has got a subsidy. At the last estimation, you your household

(47:25):
is paying an extra two hundred dollars a year in
your power bill to make sure that Ty gets a
sweetheart deal with the power two hundred bucks just for Tey.
You want to roll that out to everybody, No, absolutely not.
We can't afford to subsidize these guys up and down
the country because if you think power prices are high
right now, they are about to be reset for us
in April next year, it's going to be a lot higher.

(47:46):
Never mind us helping the mills out as well. So
we better ditch that idea fast. I mean, I think
what he's trying to do here is that he's trying
to kind of find a bad guy and pin it
on the gent tailors. Make them the bad guy. We
can all hate them, so that you know the current
government's not the bad guy. But we all know the
current government's not the bad guy. We all know who
the bad guy is. Labor is the bad guy for

(48:07):
killing the gas industry, because that is our real problem here.
We do not have enough gas. Shane's plan, like Simeon's plan,
has got to be how to get more gas into
this country. Then maybe how we deal with some generation,
some extra generation, and then maybe somewhere down the line,
how to get the gentailers to price more fairly, but
never never to offer sweetheart deals to mills.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Here the duplessy Ellen, do you think.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
That the faery drivers are just gonna continue smashing the
fairies until they get new ones? Do you think that's
what's going on here? Are they like really grumpy at
Nicola because Nikola canceled the new fairies and so they're
trying to wreck these like they're trying to find ways
to wreck these ones really obviously, so that we hurry
up and get the new ones. I just feel like
we got a factor this in because otherwise it's incompetence

(48:51):
and I'm struggling with that. Listen, Wellington City Council, speaking
of incompetence, having another fight, aren't they in public? So
we're gonna and they walked down of the council meeting.
Will talk to them next news talk.

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Speaker 3 (49:24):
Together as the next map. Teacher, I would like to
point out that the teacher unions are only interested in
protecting their members, not an actual student welfare Lucas. I
would take it even further. I'd say they're not even
necessarily interested in protecting their members. They're just interested in
protecting themselves. There's a little distinction there that's probably not
worth discussing now, but yeah, I take your point. I'm
largely on board with you. Listen, all Birds is having

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a really tough time. They are at risk actually of
being delisted from the Nasdaq because if you do not
get if you if you're trading under a dollar, which
they are at the moment, I think today they were
sitting at sixty one cents, you get a little warning.
They got a little warning, and then that's whole that
they have to be able to trade. They have to
trade above a dollar for ten days consecutively by the
before September thirty, and it's not looking good and they've

(50:07):
got another quarterly loss and stuff. I'll run you through
the details later on. We'll talk to Greg Smith after
six o'clock. Hudd All standing by, including talking about the
maths in just to tick right now twenty three away from.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Six forgever do for Sellen Now.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Three Wellington City councilors have walked out of a council
vote on those controversial raised pedestrian crossings. They were supposed
to decide whether to reduce the number of raised crossings
on Thorndon Key from five to two, but some of
the councilors didn't like it, including Ben McNulty who walked out.

Speaker 13 (50:34):
I just feel fundamentally uncomfortable about playing role of traffic engineer,
so I'm going to leave the room.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
And Diane Calvert was another one of the three who
walked out, is with us, Now, Hey Diane, Diane, huh
hi Heather, why do you walk out?

Speaker 21 (50:47):
Well, we've already tried to move an amendment saying look,
we don't have enough information to make a decision. As
Band pointed out, we are not traffic engineers. And there
was seemed to be a bit of a beg youuty
ambiguity sorry from NZTA. So we said, look, we don't
have enough information to make a decision, and we wanted to,
you know, sort of wait a couple of weeks ntil

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we could get that information. That was rejected and the
chairperson had to have a casting vote because we were
fifty to fifty and so basically that was rejected. That
was voted down. So then we came to the main vote,
which is basically just going to go ahead. And you know,
at the end of the day, we had these recommendations

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put in front of us and we just didn't have
the information. And on our council you've either got to
vote yes, no or walk out.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
The room, Diane, Is the answer not obvious that you
have to vote down? Like the fewer of these raised
crossings you have, the better, because just the other day
you had emergency services unable to get to somebody having
a heart attack fast enough because they had too many
of these things.

Speaker 21 (51:51):
Yeah, absolutely, when we don't need them, we don't need them.
But the council's proposal was, well, since NZTA on Sunday them,
we can at least do half of them. And that's
it and it's wrong based.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Are you like zero raised crossings?

Speaker 21 (52:09):
Yeah, I said that none of them have been proven
to be you know, and if m z t A
aren't finding any of them, I mean, that's got to
tell you something.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
What's the outcome? What happened today? What was the vote then?

Speaker 21 (52:21):
So basically it was it was it was all. It
was all pretty much predetermined because once they voted down
our amendments, which was basically go back, give some information
for men's at a talk to the local businesses about,
you know, about what they actually wanted because they're seeing
that road every day. But no, that was rejected. But
it was only it was bloody lost by the chair

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having to do a casting vote. So the chair basically
got two votes and everyone else one, so we lost
that one. So it was basically going to go before
you know, the final vote was basically it was it
was a done deal. And if we stayed in the room, Yes,
the chair what if I to use her casting voted game,
But a good decision for something like this, it's not

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fifty fifty, as I said afterwards, we should get consensus
on something or at least seventy five percent.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I just need you. I just need you to do
a little bit of a little bit of like inside
work for me. There's some controversy about whether it's windy
and Wellington today, is it?

Speaker 21 (53:21):
No, it's not. In fact, it's quite still. It's a
bit great, but no, it's very still.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Okay, Diane, thank you very much. So you go there,
there you go still in Wellington, Diane Calvert, Wellington City councilor.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
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Speaker 3 (53:39):
On the Huddle with Me this evening, Allie Jones of
Red pr and Matt Heath, Hodaki's breakfast host, Hello, are
you too good an day? Okay, So it's not windy
and Wellington, which means key, we rouse explanation for why
the fairy crashes bs? What's going on that?

Speaker 11 (53:53):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I heard you saying before that you think that they're
just ramming it into things to try and make their
point that they need to replace you on You probably
need a bit more evidence than just a speculation. And that,
I mean, how does your career go once you've rammed
a fairy at all?

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Theory is as good my explanation is as good as
at Wellington and Windy. Allie, what are you reckons going
on here?

Speaker 12 (54:15):
Well?

Speaker 22 (54:15):
I think that's not a bad explanation, actually, Heath. I mean,
if you've got a crappy car, if you want to
get rid of it, just dig it a few times
and then you know.

Speaker 23 (54:22):
The rest is straightforward.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Insurance job is that when you think it's going on,
they could well be.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
That takes a bit of guards to ram a theory
over your ideological beliefs into it. If that's the case,
then I've got a slight amount of admiration for the Kepnet.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Just ye the balls that's going on there? Hey, Allie,
I would like my teachers. I'd like the teachers in
this country to have done Level two maths. What about you.

Speaker 22 (54:44):
I'd like the teachers in this country to have done
Level two English. I'd like the teachers in this country
to do Level two on a number of things so
that they were proficient in them. I'm actually in agreement
with the Teaching Council here. I think that if you
force a level to NCAA Level two maths pass if
you like, then you.

Speaker 23 (55:04):
Need to do the same in the other areas. As well.

Speaker 22 (55:07):
I want my kids to be able to do maths,
but I also want them to be able to communicate
properly and understand the English language.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Okay, So if we take take it to this logical conclusion,
do you want to have level two for everything or
do you just or do you not?

Speaker 12 (55:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (55:22):
Well that's high. I did think about that.

Speaker 22 (55:23):
And look, I don't know what a reasonable level of
teacher ability is to teach at a primary school level.

Speaker 23 (55:29):
I'm not a primary school teacher. It's been some years since.

Speaker 22 (55:31):
I was there myself, amazingly, So look, I would like
to hear from someone as to what they think the
reasonable level, you know, across those subjects is.

Speaker 23 (55:40):
I can't answer that, Heather, Yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Do you reckon that?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I think some people in the education sector have coalition
derangement syndrome. So anything that the government says, even if
it's great and they normally agree with it, like teachers
need to be good at teaching, they'll disagree with it.
And you know what, all these people that say are
experts in education, are they the people that are currently
making the decisions? And is the current system that they've created,
Because the system that we've got now doesn't seem to

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be that great, does it.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
No, that's a very good point. And you know, Ali,
actually why would we I mean, why not have the
most skilled of most available and skilled people teaching the
primary school kids? Like, why not go for level two?

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (56:17):
Okay, well level yeah, but if level two is the
right level, you can't just unilaterally pluck a level out
of the air and go Yeah, that's the one that
I think is applicable. I don't know about that. You
don't know about that. I'd love to hear from someone
who does know about that. And of course we've got
to have the best people. But you know, we all
know people that like numbers, and do you want that
to be the measure As far as the personality and

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diversity of the people teaching our kids, I don't.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Really care about the personality and the diversity.

Speaker 22 (56:44):
So I know, I want someone to be inspirational. I
want them to be able to communicate. Well, I want
them to be nice.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
You have to be interested to Yeah, well, here's an
argument for going for level two, Matt. At the moment,
I think you only need something like ten credits at
level one. That's obviously not enough. So let's go for
a level two.

Speaker 12 (57:02):
Yeah. Sure.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
But that thing that you've got to have these amazing
teachers that do all the stuff, it's the dead poet
society thing. I never had a good teacher in the
entire time I was there that aspired me.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It looks where you are.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I am in real I'm real brainy, I'm super real brainy.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah. Well, how did you manage if you didn't have
good teachers?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Well, I mean I had teachers that were that taught me,
but I didn't have any with great personalities, particularly that
were inspirational and made me wanting to perform a dead
Poet society. Yeah, and scream up a DM at them.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Yeah, fair enough. Okay, guys will take a break and
come back very shortly at sixteen away from six Ali Jones,
Matt Heath ow.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
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Speaker 3 (57:45):
Right, You're back with a huddle, got Matt heath and
Ali Jones. Matt, I reckon the Aussies have taken luxe
and slur pretty well, haven't they?

Speaker 12 (57:51):
Yeah? Is it a slur?

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Haven't we been just making jokes about Australians for absolutely. Ever,
and Joe, it's a joke, So people should stop pretending
like it's not a joke and that you're not allowed
to make jokes about Australians. It's a little brother making
a joke about his big brother.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
It's fine.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
I've got a theory really that the reason got lots
of theorist to now. I've got a theory that the
reason that we make jokes about Australians is because we're
actually jealous.

Speaker 23 (58:12):
Of them, Oh, Heather.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Because they're richer than us, and they're more confident than us,
and they're cooler than us, and their tans better.

Speaker 22 (58:20):
You really want that accent, I mean even just the accent.
It's just, oh, my dear god. No, I think that
he's right. This is almost you know, I write a
passage you make jokes where competitive take the mickey, So
put that aside. I do think it was silly and
unnecessary removing today from that invitation. I mean, just put

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the English in brackets. But it's a bit tone deaf,
and again it's created and I.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Don't even reckon you need to put the English in brackets.
I mean, everybody knows when you get an invitation, the
first few words be they killeder or a loha or gooday,
just mean hello the last few words before commer Goldsmith
mean by and come on outseiet or you know what
that means? Right he did?

Speaker 22 (59:04):
No, I know, you be consistent and as I agree
with lux and I think they need all the help
that they can get, and I think putting it in
English is absolutely the you know, the least you could do.

Speaker 23 (59:16):
What's really stupid about this, Heather is I.

Speaker 22 (59:19):
Mean this was an invitation to an event marking the
start of marin New Year.

Speaker 23 (59:23):
I mean, could you be more tone deaf?

Speaker 12 (59:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I mean it's interesting that people think that you do
read invitations between governments like it's not handed to them
by someone underneath them that tells them what's going on.
Like he's sitting there going what is this?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Where is this going to this? If you get an advertation,
understand it.

Speaker 12 (59:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
The only thing you look at is who it's from,
what it's to, and what the date is in the
start time.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
And it just didn't arrive on its own, like in
vacuum and you open it, what's this that there would
have been a call to doing any discussion. There will
be some organization about it. So I'm sure it's.

Speaker 22 (59:56):
I think you're assuming. I think you're assuming more actually
to happen. I suspect that it goes straight into a diary.
I don't think that the actual person that's been invited
ever gets to see the invitation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, well exactly, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't
think it even I don't think that they're making a
decision based on reading the invitation.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
So I said just exactly what Ali said at the
start of the program, Matt, which was that he should
never have taken out his cause to all kinds of trouble.
He didn't need. It was just a silly thing to do.
And I have been called woke as a result, I
have you, which I think we all knew that I
was woke. Though, what's your take on it?

Speaker 11 (01:00:28):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I mean, I don't think this as big as an
issue as anyone's making it. But does seem like he's
making problems for himself that he didn't need to make.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Blood Ali seems like a bad idea to have walked
out of that council meeting today because, by my calculations,
if Diane Calvin and Ben MacNulty and whoever in Wellington
had stayed there, they would have won the vote.

Speaker 22 (01:00:48):
No, I don't know whether that's the case hearing what
Diane said before. And the other thing that I found
interesting from what she said here, and this might be
in the standing orders for the Wellington City Council, it's
certainly not in the standing orders for christ She was saying.

Speaker 23 (01:01:01):
That you either vote yes, no or walk out.

Speaker 22 (01:01:04):
Now, what you can do in christ Church is you
can vote yes no, or you can abstain. Now, what
I'd really like to know from her is the abstention
not an is not an option in Wellington. And do
you have to walk out? So look until she answers
that I can't. I mean, on the face of it, it
looks childish walking out. But if it's actually part of
the standing orders that you have no choice, then well

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they had no choice.

Speaker 23 (01:01:25):
But I'd like to know that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Slam dunk, isn't it, Matt. If you have a choice
of raised poducer and crossing or not, the answer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Is always not, oh yeah, absolutely got to get rid
of the terrible Absolutely, But it would seem funny if
you your options were yes, no, or you actually have
to physically walk out you don't just say abstained like
we need to check this, check this out, because if
you actually have to stand up and then it's strange.
Will see little knaves of voice saying.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I happen to have that information about walking out, Then.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
That seems like the system that they could probably streamline
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I agree with you, guys. Listen, it was wonderful to
have you on. Thank you so much, Matt. Matt, I
finished your book. Oh did you I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Oh, thank you for saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Are you just constantly zen?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Oh yeah, I'm a pretty chill guy. Yeah, amazing. No,
not at all. But I aspire to be more children
all of my.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Stuff that you because it's very handy stuff like count
to ten before you have a tantrum at child, which
I could have done with last night, frankly, et cetera,
et cetera. You're still putting into practice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Oh yeah, absolutely. It's an ideal to aim for. You know,
it's a north star and if you get there more
often than you're not, they're not than you're winning in life,
I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Oh, thank you. Oh well, it's a really good book,
highly recommended. I'm going to buy it for the husband
because I'm trying to get him to count to ten
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Say the name of it. Heather Lifeless Punishing Thirteen ways
to love your life You've Got by.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Matte life Less Punishing Thirteen Ways to love the life
that You've got by Matt Peete. I will just say
there are a lot of your friends who've written all
the little bits on it, like Jeremy Wells and Ursula
Carlson and Karen Reid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
So would you do one? Would you do a little
line for the next edition? Yes, the six editions coming
out soon, and I get your recommendation on it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Look yeah, sure, I mean to be in the same
company as Karen Read. I will thank you anyway you go, well,
look after yourself. That's Matt Heath of Hodaki and obviously
Alie Jones of fred Power Huddle. This evening ate away from.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
The more importantly, was there a speed bump the hat
to negotiate as they walked out of the council room. Listen,
not hey, you what this is not even the end
of the stupid stories about traffic out of Wellington. There
is an absolute pearler. I've got to tell you before
this program's out, so stick around for that. Now. The
Ossie minister who was supposed to be getting this Matitaki
invitation that Paul Goldsmith had demorried right by taking out

(01:03:47):
ten quare, Knukuna nah and altier so that the Ossie
could understand it. He has spoken to the media today.
This guy's name is Tony Burke. He says he actually
did know what what else heer all meant because he
learned it back in nineteen eighty two by listening to
six Months in a Leaky Boat by split ends.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Right there.

Speaker 24 (01:04:09):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Everybody's like, that's basically all of Australasia knows because they sang.
What do you think Paul Goldsmith's going to do now
that he knows that it's in the song because he
is the Arts and Culture Minister, is he going to
try and take it out of the song? Better not listen?
Doesn't look like the OSSI's, as I said earlier on

(01:04:30):
actually give two hoots about it, right, so I was
on six PR Perth where our mate Oli Peterson works.
They called me out this can can you come on
and talk about it? Like fine, any opportunity to chat?
And then after me they had this political panel and
like I had a couple of politicians. So we kept
on listening and we kept the tape rolling and so
this is what they think about it, right. One of
the politicians, Andrew Hastings, actually doesn't believe that key Wees

(01:04:53):
really think that Ossie's are simple?

Speaker 17 (01:04:54):
Obviously, Why are so many New Zealanders about to come
stray citizens? I think it's like just under four hundred
thousand kiwis about to come a stray and citizens. If
we were so simple, why would you want to join us?

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
Well, what I found written because he's on point right,
we don't actually think this is why we all want
to be Australians and we're really jealous of them. We
would like to live there. The other politician I thought
he said was really interesting because his name is Matt Keoh.
He thinks Paul Goldsmith is onto something taking out unnecessary
non English words because he actually came to New Zealand
and sword.

Speaker 25 (01:05:24):
In action when I was there last year. I was
there with Peter Khalil, the member for Wheel's the charity,
the Intelligence Committee and a few others and in one
meeting we had a two to three minute introduction in
Maury spoken by a bloke who clearly wasn't Mary and
who was stumbling his way through it. So you know,

(01:05:44):
I get the point we need to respect for the
first nation's languages. But you know, I think always the
clarity is important and we all speaking this year, that's
what we should strive for.

Speaker 13 (01:05:56):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that Matt koh
right wing racist. Oh no, mat Key O's from the
Labor Party. So the Australian from the Labor Party sitting
there watching the guy doing the Mardy that he can't speak,
thinking this is embarrassing. You shouldn't be doing that anyway.
Listen on that asb call to get the rate cut.
Next week we have a chat to Liam down about that.
But first let's deal with all birds and what's going

(01:06:18):
wrong for these guys straight after the news.

Speaker 12 (01:06:22):
Lave or hanging out the party.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
We're Business and Insight the Business Hour.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
We're the head the duple. Cy Ellen and my Hr
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Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Even in coming up in the next hour. Asb as
I told you earlier, is now also picking a rate
cup next week. Third bank to do that. Liam down
on that shortly around the market crash. The question is
is there more to come or are we through it?
We'll talk to Sam Dickey and has the milk price
turned in the right way? Jamie McKay on that very
shortly right now at a seven past six. Now more
bad news for former market darling. All Birds, the eco

(01:07:03):
friendly shoemaker, which was co founded obviously by former All
White Tim Brown, has posted a net loss of nineteen
million US dollars for the second quarter this year. All
Birds shares were trading at almost thirty US bucks each
when the company listed on the Nasdaq three years ago.
They're now worth less than a dollar. Greg Smith is
the head of retail at Devin Funds Management and with us.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Hey, Greg, Hi, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Are they going to be forced a dlist?

Speaker 13 (01:07:25):
Well, that's the sort of the latest sort of risk.
I suppose the Nazets issued them. I noticed since notice
that they've traded below the dollar mark for thirty days,
so they've basically got to the end of September to
get it above a dollar for ten consecutive business dates.
So the clock is ticking.

Speaker 11 (01:07:41):
But you know, they.

Speaker 13 (01:07:43):
Could actually request an extension of up to six months,
and there's actually a way they can engineer it by
doing reverse stock splits. So but I think they've got
bigger problems than the dlisting.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
Yeah, what are the bigger problems?

Speaker 13 (01:07:55):
Well, look, when you look at I think it's really
been a victim of its own high. As you pointed out,
listed at the peak of the pandemic late twenty twenty one.
Consumer brands are in fashion. You know, had the eco
friendly company footwear story to tell people love the love
the story. You know, Obama he was wearing will Runners
Liano Leonardo DiCaprio. He was an early investor. Time dubbed

(01:08:16):
at the most comfortable shoe in the world. It was
crazy when you think about it. You know, the valuation
in the company was over four billion US dollars. The
year before, they'd made just two hundred million in sales.
You fast forward four years, they're still around about two
hundred million in sales. So the call fact that dissipated
are they expanded overseas. That was expensive. Brooks and Watar
stores competitors, and then we've had a cost of living

(01:08:37):
crisis and the company doesn't discount. So yeah, it's a reading.
One hundred and fifty million dollars is what the company
lost twenty twenty three, and as you point out, the
valuation has fallen and if you can invested, the peak
could be down around him at ninety eight percent. But
they have a new CEO and he has a plan.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Yeah. Now on that new CEO, right, he's one of
the so called traditional executives that they've brought in. Have
also fired a whole bunch of people. They shut a
bunch of shops. Is this showing any signs of working?

Speaker 13 (01:09:05):
It's actually showing some margin and prement, but it's a
long way back, and you know that that top line
is never going to eventuate how it was imagined. So
all he can do is work with what he's got.
So what they're doing really is closing underperforming stores. In
the US, they're closing up to fourteen this year. Offshore
markets are moving to a distributed model, which is less
costly than obviously having their own stores, and they're just

(01:09:29):
having direct markets. In the US, UK and EU, the
shifted their factories that's a bit cheaper the factories in
Vietnam there as well. They're still not discounting, so yeah,
they can be a bit of a here when we
have got a cost of living crisis, and yeah, consumers
are feeling the pinch.

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
And you look at the.

Speaker 13 (01:09:43):
Top line revenues down twenty seven percent at the last
quarter on a year ago. Listen to the earning call
and management still talking about telling a story to consumers,
which I thought was somewhat ironic. They've got some new
brands coming. They actually have stopped the pace of the
new brands that are coming, but they have got the tree Glider.
They're doing things of a few new colors as well.

(01:10:05):
But yet it is a long road back, and you know,
we are not going to get back to that four
billion valuation, probably not in the next sort of fifty
years anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Oh great fifty years. Okay. I mean, listen, if what
made them so wealthy, so valuable was the fact that
they were in it shoe, and when they're not in itshoe,
it's not working for them, does that mean that that
is the key they need to be cool again.

Speaker 13 (01:10:27):
Yeah, and then we were seeing it's cool. You're quite right,
you know, we had all the A listers wearing them.
You know, they were seeing this comfy. Actually, the other
point as well was, you know, supposed part of the
issue has been the actual feedback from consumers is actually
don't last that long. They're not the lacking and durability,
which is a bit of a head when particularly when
people are feeling the pinch and they want stuff that's
going to last. So that cool factor, I think, you know,

(01:10:50):
was engineered a lot of the hype that you saw,
you know, and then the lead up to the stock listing,
and also there were stock market conditions which also drove
that hype as well, so becoming cool the game would help.
I'm not sure we're going to see Donald Trump wearing
them all or come on, Harris, But yeah, it is
a long road back, and you know, brands do sort

(01:11:12):
of have their day in the sun, but they also
do make a comeback. Who would have thought Crocs would
make a revival, so you never know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Well that's a very good point, Greg, actually an excellent point.
Thank you so much, Mad appreciated Greg Smith, head of
retail at Devin Fund's Management. I'll tell you what their
problem is right now. One of many obviously, is that
all birds have to be really really careful that they
don't turn into the old person's shoe. And I say
this like with love, but there are a lot of
people in their sixties and seventies in my life. Oh

(01:11:39):
love a pair of all birds because they're comfortable. And
so you got all the boomers rocking them. And if
the boomers are rocking them, well, all of a sudden,
it just starts to look like comfy shoes, doesn't And
that's not particularly cool. So they may have to figure
out how they're going to get around that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:52):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
This stop being so woke. This is my day for workness,
isn't it. You well know that ramps jump out at ships.
Thank you Gray. This is true of Vio. That's what's
happened to Kwiral. Obviously, the gender row at the Olympics
has continued overnight. This is now because the other boxer
who's under question is also through to her gold medal final.
They're not in the same final by the way, they

(01:12:13):
are in different waight divisions. But this is Taiwan's Li
Yu Ting also has been banned. This is the two
of them, the Algerian boxer and then this one, this
boxer from Taiwan, also banned by the International Boxing Association,
doesn't believe that either of these women are actually women
by sex. Seems to be that the same problem is
true of both of them. That they've done these tests apparently,

(01:12:34):
and the tests have apparently found that they've got x
Y chromosomes, and X Y chromosomes obviously belong to blokes
or intersex people, so that's a possibility too. Now, what
happened here is that the Taiwanese boxer beat a boxer
from Turkey, and that boxer from Turkey, who was defeated,
did the same thing that the last woman did who

(01:12:54):
Lynn beat. As she walked out of her side of
the ring, she put her two index fingers together to
form X. Right, so she got the index fingers from
each hand put them together form an X, and then
she turned and she showed it to all the sides
of the boxing ring. So she was trying to make
a point. Now this is being read as a reference
to her having two X chromosomes. Women have two X chromosomes,

(01:13:15):
so it's obviously a protest by the sounds of things,
And what's just happened fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy
Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalks EDB. Whether it's macro,
microme or just plain economics, it's all on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Allen and my HR, the HR platform for SME News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Jamie McKay is going to be with us shortly. It
looks to me like, judging by what he's telling me,
the world record for sharing is held by New Zealand
has just been smashed by a Scott. I'm not happy
about this. He's going to talk us through the short
because it's ours. That's like every time we lose the
Rugby World Cup. It's just like it's not okay. So
he'll talk us through that shortly. Seventeen past six. Now,
as I was telling you earlier, there's been a surprise

(01:14:02):
call from the ASB economists late this afternoon. They now
also think that the Reserve Bank will drop the official
cash rate next week. Liam dan is The Herald's Business
editor at large. ALM got I mean, would you consider
this now mounting pressure on the Reserve Bank given that
you've got ASB B and z at Ankiwibank saying go
next week.

Speaker 9 (01:14:20):
Yeah, well, I mean it certainly is pressure of a kind.
It's kind of exciting. It's probably the most interesting ocr
call we've had for well it is for more than
a year. Good on them AFBS throwing caution to the wind.
Carp ADM. I think they said, you know that we
can go now, which is effectively saying really that they

(01:14:40):
think we've got inflation beat, which is something to cheer
about as well. It's a bit of a marginal call
for a couple of reasons. You know, we haven't got
inflation under three yet, three percent, which is you know,
into the target range. So you have to be very
confident that the economy is now on its knees and

(01:15:01):
flat and all that sort of stuff, that there's nothing
else that can happen that the except for the inflation
to keep falling. So there's that, you know. I've argued
that maybe the all the market turmoil and and what's
happening in the US is in Japan as a sort
of a hook that the Reserve Bank can hang its
hat on. But KVY Bank also made the point Jared

(01:15:23):
Kerr making the point that you know, technically the Reserve
Bank still has next August as in its forecast for
the first rate cut, So there is a pretty big
credibility gap to leap there, you know, if you're going
to be talking about cutting next week this August, and
I know they didn't change the forecast because they just

(01:15:44):
don't do that at the last monetary policy review, and
it does date back to May when things are a
bit different. But still, you know, Keevy Bank actually saying
that they think they should cut now that they probably
won't because it's just too much of a leap and
it would look bad. Now. I don't know, if you're
going to save the economy, you've got to yes, but everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Else is going to look really bad? Is if they
if they hold onto this until November so that they
can actually stand in front of the cameras as opposed
to just issue a press release in October or August.
If they hold onto it until November and they drive
us deeper into the Maya that we're in, I mean,
that looks worse, doesn't it than changing your mind?

Speaker 9 (01:16:24):
Yeah, well, there's never never There are always terrible choices.
But yeah, I mean they could they could go in October,
but they'll be standing in front of the cameras next week.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Will they look they've got to go next week? Then,
don't they? Because I mean, this is what is saying.
The risk of type monetary policy overshooting has got real.
I think we can all see that.

Speaker 9 (01:16:44):
Yeah, I mean it was somewhat inevitable. I mean central
banks in monetary policy generally has it works and so
we like it because it works, but we know that
it's very blunt and it tends to be too much.
One way. We see too much stimulus and you see
too much and then you know, we argue about whether
whether it could have been done better, and well, maybe

(01:17:05):
it could have. But there's a there's a there's a
you know, there's an opportunity here. It does look like
inflation isn't going anywhere, but down from here it would
be a surprise. So if it did bounce back up,
but you've got to remember that it would be absolutely
disastrous to cut and then have inflation bounce back up.
You know, that would just blow on their minds and

(01:17:27):
be too much want to go, but this of the cycle,
so they do. They do have to be sure, but
you know, it's funny. It's such a there's so much
going on, it's almost like a long long time till Wednesday.
You know, if if we see a couple more nights
at market turmoil and so forth, that probably would be enough.

(01:17:50):
You know, a lot of the other economists were saying, well,
that unemployment number yesterday wasn't bad enough to justify it yet,
you know, which is a weird way of looking at it.
But it wasn't wasn't worse than expected. It was about
being unexpected. So that might give them some reason to
hold on till October. He could end up having to
do double cuts at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Look, ultimately, they're going to get judged Liam, on what
we are like when they are finished with this, and
that's not going to be good for the my thing
guy the way, Liam, it's really really good to talk
to you. Thank you about this, Liam Dan, the Herald's
Business editor at large. Heither, I'm forty three. My oldies
brought me all birds for Christmas a couple of years ago,
and I never wore them because I didn't want to
look like a boomer, Right, What did I tell you?
I started wearing them recently for a bit of physical stuff.

(01:18:33):
At work at times I thought no one would see
me good from you. As it turns out, they've pretty
much fallen apart in six months. And there you go.
Now I should have mentioned this earlier, But the boss
of Wellington Water has quit, hasn't she? In a twist
that everybody could see coming. Because I don't know if
you remember, but Nick, the chair of Wellington Water, Nick Leggett,

(01:18:54):
was on this show two weeks ago talking to me
and he basically couldn't hide the fact he didn't have
any confidence and earn that he was looking for her
to quit, and that he was blaming her for the
fact that, remember they had that fifty one million dollar
budgeting error and she hadn't actually told the board how
bad it was, but had minimized it. So he was
pretty keen to see the back of her. Well, she's
gone effective tomorrow now. Credit to her. This is Tanya Haskell.

(01:19:15):
Credit to her. She was actually a pleasure to deal with.
I mean, obviously the business wasn't running particularly well, but
in terms of her actually coming up, coming on shows,
talking to the media, telling the people of Wellington, telling
the country what was up, she was always doing that.
So good on her but unfortunately, as I say, the
business wasn't running well. So she's gone. Six twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
The Rural Report on Heather due to see Allen Drive.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Hey, well, Jamie McKay. Obviously as a host of the country,
Hey Jamie.

Speaker 24 (01:19:43):
Hello, woke cousin heathern. I was listening to you between
four and five. I didn't realize you were woke.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Congratulations, nor did I nor did many of us. But anyway,
we're going to take that one. We're going to roll
with it because that's something to show off, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
And one day you can be too, Jomie. The milk
price is looking a little better, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (01:20:00):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 24 (01:20:01):
We may not have enough natural gas and electricity to
run our dairy factories, Heather, but look, the milk futures
price is looking pretty good for the twenty four to
twenty five season, the one we've just started on. It's
currently sitting at eight dollars sixty one. After that good
GDT auction Wednesday morning, our time, the volumes are up
big time for whole milk powder up sixty percent, So

(01:20:24):
we got rid of those. There's going to be increased
volumes in September, China came in and played a more
dominant role. If they continue that and we can get
through this peak production hump, things are looking pretty positive
for twenty four to twenty five. So this season, the
one we've just finished twenty three twenty four looks pretty
much locked and loaded for Fonterra at about seven dollars

(01:20:46):
eighty the futures market's it's got it at seven eighty seven. Interestingly,
twenty five twenty six, yes, they do go out a
year and a bit is sitting at eight fifty five.
It's also worth looking back twelve months to mid August
twenty twenty three, whole milk crashed eleven percent, and at
that stage we were looking at a six dollars seventy
five milk price, So Deeri certainly turned a corner.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Oh thank goodness. Now have we had our own record,
like the world record and sharing set by a New
Zealander smashed by a scott.

Speaker 24 (01:21:15):
Yeah, yeah, this is a great story. A veteran Scottish
shearer who's incidentally the only woman who's qualified in the
top thirty at the Golden Shares in Master and she
shattered a world record set by one of our guns,
because we've got a couple of guns here in this country.
Sasha Bond held the nine hour record, Meghan Whitehead the

(01:21:35):
eight hour one. So this woman by the name of
Una Cameron, I hope I've got a name right, fifty
one year old Heather. That's older than you. That's way
older than you. So she smashed the existing nine hour
strong WILLU record of four hundred and fifty eight she sure,
five hundred and seventeen sheep and nine hours. And I
know you go to the gym, Heather, and I know
you fit, but there's no way you could drag out

(01:21:57):
five hundred and seventeen sheep and nine hours left loan
share them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Jeez, But I mean, Jamie, the difference between like let's say,
four hundred and sixty and five hundred and twenty is massive, Yeah,
it is.

Speaker 24 (01:22:08):
And that's where it becomes a wee tricky because all
these records are now or it looks like they're almost
all being set in the UK. The sheep are easier
sharing over there. They do have to have a minimum
wall requirement for the U Sharing record of three kilograms
for sheep, but they're just easier sharing. Incidentally, there's sort
of a very collegial attitude to sharing because in her

(01:22:32):
corner was a former world record holder from New Zealand
here by the name of Amy Silcock, who was helping
out the back in the pens. The sheep was shorn
at a property run by a guy by the name
of Matt Smith. He's also a world record holder and
he's the brother, wait for it, of our world champion
sharer Roland Smith. So yep world record to a fifty

(01:22:54):
one year old I might even have a crack myself, Jamie.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
Thanks very much, Jamie McKay to the country. Headlines are
next to me, Sam Picky.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Everything from SMEs to the big corporates of a Business
Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and my HR, the HR
platform for SME us talks at Base.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
He's done another one, so this is the third day
in a row that he's done a mural. This time
he's done three monkeys swinging across the bridge of an
East London train station. So he's got the monkeys today.
He did the elephants yesterday and then he did the
goat the day before. And because it's all animals, the
series is now being called by his fans the London
Zoo series, and as I told you the other day,
because Banksy isn't putting any captions in here at the moment,

(01:23:50):
people are spending a lot of time trying to figure
out what he means by it. The new theory is
that he's comparing the recent far right rioters to wild
zoo animals, which immediately I am prepared to come out
and debunk and say that that's just what you want
to believe. That's not what he's doing, because do you
know how because all the animals look nice, so that's
obviously not it. Anyway, Indebrady is going to be with
us back from his holiday in about ten minutes time.

(01:24:12):
It's twenty three away from seven. Ever, now, after the
market turmoil of the past week, the question of courses,
has the bubble burst or have we still got a
little bit of a way to go here. Sam Dickey
from Fisher Funds is with me. Now, Hey, Sam, Heathery, Sam,
am I right, but you were just warning about all
this stuff the other day and then it's happened.

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
I'm not sure about warning, but you and I were
certainly talking about Heather Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Yeah, okay, So the specific risks that have led to
the point that we're at what are they.

Speaker 5 (01:24:41):
Yes, we're outside of the unlined of the giant Japanese
carry trade, which in plain English means borrowing at near
zero present in Japanese yun and using that money to
invest in risky assets around the world. Outside of that,
that were two other things happening, which caused a third
to happen, so the US economic growth risk. The market
was far too complacent about what investors call a soft

(01:25:01):
economic landing. So despite the sharpest rate high cycle bi
central banks in forty years, the US economy was expected
to sail through, and that came unstuck. And then there
was the AI hygh risk. And remember that one number
to remember, ten trillion dollars. So we add up half
a dozen of the AI darlings and their market capitalization

(01:25:23):
or valuations had gone up by over ten trillion dollars
in the last twenty months or so. But on the ground,
the reality was, you know, you and I were not
prepared to pay for that. There was no AI use
case out there head that really caught our fancy. So
there was this huge yawning gap between the hype and
the reality. So those two things caused the market. A

(01:25:44):
third thing to happen that the market was being driven
by a very few stocks. So that's a sort of
unhealthily narrow rally, so that those were the four risks
that kind of came unstuck all at once.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I see that the JP Morgan analysts reckon that, especially
with regards to the carry trade. And we're only about
halfway through that turmoil. What do you think, I mean,
can you can you tell whether we're still seeing this
happen or whether it's already done.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
There's a lot of thought gone on to that around
the world. My thought with these things is, you know this,
the seeds for this was sowed back in the nineteen
eighties in Japan. I'm not saying they've been building for
that long, but really that's where the seeds were. So
when the bubble burst and we took sort of thirty
years of anemic growth and anemic inflation, you know, driven

(01:26:31):
by the scar tissue of the burst into that bubble
and a shrinking and aging population in Japan, and you know,
the Japanese government and the boj is being desperate to
manufacture inflation, and finally they got an opportunity to piggyback
on a once in forty year spike in global inflation.
But they were just kind of a day late and
a dollar short. So I do think when these things

(01:26:54):
have been building for months and months, if not years,
they're not going to unwind and sort of forty eight hours,
So I guess I agree with that long way I've saying,
I agree with the Japanese Jping Morman analysts.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Interesting, okay, So I mean, what do we take out
of this if we're investors.

Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Well, four days of the lifetime in markets, but quite
a few things have changed in each of those sort
of three or four risks. So on New it's economic
growth expectations. The good news is the markets expecting the
Federal Reserve to you know, the CaAl cavalry to arrive.
So the market was pricing two rate cuts by the
end of the year literally seven days ago, and now

(01:27:33):
it's pricing five rate cut and nothing happens in a vacuum.
You know, New Zealand is now pricing another rate cut
or two by the end of the year as well.
And in equity markets, we've seen the frost blown out
and economically sensitive stocks down a lot. More so that's
that's good news. That's at least partially getting priced and
on the AI bubble, you know, in the last week

(01:27:53):
or so, we've seen the big tech companies come out
with the results and they're continue to weigh and then
plow more money into AI hardware, luck in video's computer chips.
But the market's lost patients. They're not prepared to allow
them to continue plowing money into this I guess this
AI experiment with no revenue out the other side. So

(01:28:14):
the good news is the market is forcing these companies
to become more prudent and drive an obvious return on
invested capital. So that yawning gap I talked about between
kind of the hype and the capex that's going in
there and the reality of the fact you and I
are not prepared to pay for this yet here is
still there. But the good news is we've seen some
of these AI darlings correct hard so Super micro Computer,

(01:28:38):
which builds liquid cooling systems for these very hot and
video chips around twenty five percent of last week. And
on the unline of the giant carry trade Japanese carry trade,
the deputy governor of the BOJ almost came out and
corrected as the governor, and they said they've heard the
market's message loud and clear after the you know, the

(01:29:00):
sharpest fall in the stock market history, and they said
they wouldn't raise interest rates anymore until the financial turmoil
has calmed down. So we've seen a stabilization there. So
the good news is when the Resk's on the front
page of every newspaper around the world, or at least
on the front page of the business section, we can
rest assured it's at least partially priced into assets and
stock markets.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Fascinating, really fascinating stuff at the moment.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
Ame, yeah, very fasting. I was going to say, one
last thing is a really another good piece of good
news is owning a portfolio of stocks and bonds and
using the bonds and insurance is definitely working again after
not working during the kind of inflation spike of twenty
twenty two. So while equities fell sharply this week, your
bond investments went up sharply as insurance. So that is

(01:29:45):
good news.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Thanks wait smart, Hey, Sam, thank you very much, appreciate it.
As always, We'll talk to you soon. Sam Dickey, Fisher Funds.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Heather do for ce Alan Listen I don't know if you've.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Been following the scandal with the casketeers tip in their funerals,
but it is wild and the latest us this has
been going on all week. Basically, the latest is of
the police actually knew about it and did nothing. Now,
if you haven't caught up in it, let me catch
you up in it. You're going to want to hear this, kay.
So what's happened is that there are several families who've
gone to the Herald and said that they they paid

(01:30:14):
tip in their funerals the casketeers for zinc lined coffins, right,
special fancy coffins, but their loved ones were put in
rubbish bags. Now this is not the casketeers being accused here,
it's one of their former employees, one of their former
funeral directors now gone, Tanya Buckolitch, who was working for
them at the time. So the families, they say that

(01:30:35):
they'd each paid about three thousand dollars for this particularly
flashed zinc lined coffin and they needed it to be
flash because they were going to be interring their loved
ones in a mausoleum, which I don't even know that
we do in New Zealand, but evidently we do mausoleum
at Waikumete Cemetery in Auckland. But then what happened was
that Cyclone Gabrielle hit last year in March and the
mausoleum was damaged and so it needed repairs, and so

(01:30:58):
the dead people had to be disinterred, and the families
were there for that, and they pulled the dead people out.
And did the dead people come out and zinclined coffins
worth three thousand dollars each, No, they came out in
rubbish bags. And as you can imagine, deeply upsetting, like
on a bunch of levels because this is not the
treatment that you've paid for or expecting for somebody that
you love deeply. But also what happened to the money,

(01:31:18):
And then also there was a raft of other allegations
like old mate Tania apparently demanding seven hundred and fifty
dollars care dollars cash for post death COVID tests were
apparently it is not a thing. And then also seven
hundred and fifty dollars cash to pay the cemetery bill,
which then apparently the families find out is still unpaid.
Now the casketeers, the couple have apologized for this. They

(01:31:39):
are obviously very upset about it. It now turns out
that they actually told the police and laid a complaint
against Tarnia, but the cops dropped the investigation. They had
reported fraud allegations in March and April last year. Police
looked into it, but they didn't find sufficient evidence, so
they shelved the investigation. So that's not a good look,
is hm? Yeah, I feel like there might have been evidence,

(01:32:02):
Like the lack of a coffin feels like evidence. I
don't know. Anyway, she's now not working obviously at Tippery Funerals.
It hasn't been at her house for two months apparently,
and obviously is not going to be on the show
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Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
It'd be Inda Brady, UK correspondent back from hollidays. How
are you Inda?

Speaker 12 (01:33:22):
Good?

Speaker 9 (01:33:22):
Heather?

Speaker 8 (01:33:22):
Yeah, great to speak to you again. Good to be back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Are you feeling refreshed? Where'd you go? Have you got
a ten.

Speaker 8 (01:33:28):
So as much as Irish people get a hand.

Speaker 12 (01:33:31):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:33:31):
We went to a little Canary island for two weeks.
It was about twenty five celsiers each day. And around
most days. My son came out with me. It was brilliant.
It's just gorgeous, same little fishing village we've been going
to for nearly twenty years and absolutely nothing much changes.
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Oh nice, that sounds awesome. Hey, I see it was
actually a reasonably successful night in terms of those those
rallies and riots.

Speaker 8 (01:33:55):
Yes, so the police are very very pleased this morning
here across England because all of talk yesterday had been
of one hundred planned protests by the far right. And look,
we've seen all the rioting of the last week or so,
and all of the arrests and the dreadful, appalling behavior,
the racist abuse of many many minority communities in the UK,

(01:34:17):
people messaging me yesterday saying should I come to work
where a hit job is? You know, just we've seen
the absolute worst of Britain in the last week. And
what we saw last night I think was the best.
People turned out and they turned out to counter protest.
So in all of these towns and cities where they
felt that the far right were going to turn up
and wreck places and burn businesses and hurt families, pens

(01:34:40):
of thousands of people turned out. They lined the mosques,
they stood outside asylum seeking centers, they stood outside immigration lawyers' offices,
and everything passed off peacefully. There were three arrests in
the town of Northampton last night for public disorder and
that was pretty much is so. I think the police
will be hoping that that is now the end of

(01:35:01):
all of the awful rioting that we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Do you think it's going to change the government's approach,
the government's policies at all in terms of asylum seek
as migrants and so on.

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
No, not at all. I don't think anything is going
to change. I think we've had four weeks of cure
starmer and I think in all honesty what people should
be thanking their lucky stars right now is that the
UK has a prime minister who has a background in
law and was the chief prosecutor here. So there was
a message that went out yesterday very very clearly from

(01:35:32):
the courts and the judges. Three of the rioters from
Southport got seven years jail between them yesterday one guy
got two and a half years for punching a police officer.
And you think back, you know, in the last few
governments we've had a hedge fund manager in Rishie Sunek.
We've had Liz Truss, let's just not even go there,
Boris Johnson, a failed journalist. You've actually got a guy

(01:35:54):
now who's a serious man, who wants to work for
the country and as a background in prosecuting criminals. You know,
this week could have been far worse had any of
the other been in power. But I don't think anything
is going to change. And I think, look, there is
a conversation to be had about immigration, but abusing people
who are out there working and paying tax I mean,

(01:36:15):
it broke my heart yesterday to see people posting messages
on social media, doctors and nurses saying we're thinking about
leaving this country and why because they've had racist abuse
off the scale. And this is I'm just going to
say it, Heather, this has been people have been empowered
to speak in such racist fashion because of some of

(01:36:37):
the poor leadership and really poor politicians and journalists who've
been peddling an awful lot of this racism in the
last decade.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Interesting. Hey, Inda, thank you, it's really nice to have
you back. I've actually missed having you on it. It's
Into Brady now UK correspondent either away from seven.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
It's all on the business now with Hitther, duplicy Ellen
and my HR the HR platform for s.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
I don't agree with Ender, Heather. Look, Heather Ender is
a fanboy of Keir Starmer. Heather, you might not be woke,
but that blokes et cetera, et cetera. Look, you got
to have listen. You've got to have friends who have
different points of view so that you can hear. You know,
you can expose yourself to everything ends that friend. So
listen to the Wellington I need to tell you what's been

(01:37:26):
going on Wellington. I said I would tell you this earlier.
The transport thing. So probably the craziest transport story out
of Wellington day. And let's be honest, there are a lot.
So this really is quite special. Is what the cycle
ways did to the fire brigade. Now, if you know Wellington,
you know that there's the Central City Fire Station is
at the bottom of Cambridge Terrace, just there by Courtney Place, Okay,

(01:37:49):
and so what the Wellington City Council did was they
put a cycle away there and they started mucking around
with the roads around there. Now, one day the fire
brigade decided to respond to a fire and they went
up Kent Terrace. You know how Kent. You know where
the Basin Reserve is. You go up Kent Terrace, you
go around the Basin Reserve, you come down Cambridge Terrace.

(01:38:10):
The two terraces run parallel to each other, right, and
they've got a big traffic, a big island full of
trees and statues and stuff in the middle, and they
have like two or three little places where you could
do a U turn and come from one from one
terrace to the other terraces, right from Cambridge to Kent
and Kent to Cambridge. Just so on So one day
there's a fire and the fire brigade head off and
like going up Kent Terrace and they're like, we're just

(01:38:32):
gonna turn down that little U turn thing, I'm gon
and go down Cambridge Terrace and that'll get us there
really fast. And than they got there and the council
will put planter boxes there and they like what And
so they had to go all the way up, all
the way up Kent Terrace turn around at the Basin Reserve.
And if you've ever done that, it's like pulling teeth.
It takes you forever and they came all the way

(01:38:54):
down Cambridge Terraces just to be able to get off
to the thing anyway. So then they wrote to the
council and they was like they were like, guys, this
is these planter boxes have been there for two months,
get rid of them. This is September. In October they
email them like, hey, it's now three months since we
flagged this with you as urgent. Get rid of them.
Finally the council gets rid of them in November one
day four months later. Ay Wellington City Council and sorry

(01:39:17):
senior time.

Speaker 26 (01:39:17):
Oh it's just possibly an I ironically appropriate choice give
what we're just talking about six months in a leaky
boat to play us out tonight. I actually picked the
song before the news about the theory. Okay, this is
not roughing on that. It's because this is the song
by split ends that Immigration Minister Tony Burke learned the
word altad or from. So I thought I got'd be
a nice thing there to end the show with. I
didn't realize I was going to cause a crash and

(01:39:37):
cook straight, but there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Because literally we are dealing with six months in a
leaky boat. Now because they rammed it so much. It's
got a whole haven't they.

Speaker 26 (01:39:45):
Well yeah, hopefully it doesn't take six months effects. But
at the same time I want them to do a
better job of it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
It's good, it's key. We ral could take longer. Hey anyway, listen,
thank you Back with you tomorrow, had a lovely evening by.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
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