Sir John Kirwan: former All Black ahead of this weekend's All Blacks v Argentina clash

The All Blacks lineup has entered the spotlight, with four changes made for Saturday's rematch against the Pumas at Eden Park.

Rieko Ioane's swapped in for Anton Leinert-Brown to start at centre while Caleb Clarke and Will Jordan are the starting wingers.

Ethan de Groot's out with a neck injury so Tamaiti Williams starts in the front row while former captain Sam Cane's onto the bench.

Former All Black Sir John Kirwan says this will be a good chance for TJ Perenara to redeem himself after last week's loss.

"He'll get out there and make amends - or he'll be under some real pressure. That's probably why he's out there."

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Got sir JK on the line with us right now. JK, hello,
how are you do? Very well? Thank you? Why is
TJ back?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Well? I think that's a really really interesting team I've
just managed to look at. I think because there's an
old All Black saying that says, you can play badly once,
but if you play badly twice, you're probably never going
to make it a game. So when I was an
All Black, one of the things we knew was that

(00:29):
if we had a bad day, then we'd probably get
another chance. Normally what happens is though if we had
won the other night, then you know, the guys that
played badly probably didn't wouldn't be as much highlighted. So
I think it comes back to some some old All
Black things that that I actually believe in, because I

(00:54):
you know, it's now up to TJ Pirenara to get
out there, and you know he'll be disappointed himself from
the game he played last week, and so he'll he'll
get out there and make amends or he'll be under
some real pressure. So that's that's probably why he's out there.
The Anton Leonard Brown one is probably your next question either,
is that correct?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I was actually to ask you about Sam Kaine and
whether he was, but give me the Anton Leonar Brown
because I think it's probably more interesting because you were
thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah. Look, I think I think that's a hard one.
I thought he was one of the players of the
game last week, and he's still in He's still in
the starting lineup, so that's that's probably you go, Okay,
then he's going to come on as an impact The
Sam Kaine is another really interesting one. I think that's

(01:41):
about his leadership. You know, I don't see Sam as
an impact player anymore. You know, back in his early
days he used to come on for Richard mccaugh and
that was cool. But I think what happened last week
is probably more around his leadership late and having that
cool head sometimes. You know, I think the last ten
or twelve minutes, and this leadership group is young, right,

(02:02):
so in the last ten or twelve minutes, they probably
needed an old head out there. So I think what
they'd do is they'd put him out there the last
fifteen to twenty minutes if it comes down to the wire.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean he's got a fair few
caps under his belt, right, so he will know what
to do. Jk's good to talk to you. Thank you,
Sir John Cowan, former All Black five twenty three.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
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