Full Show Podcast: 15 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's hither
dupericy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Drive with one New Zealand let's.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Get connected us talk, said bue.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Good afternoon, welcome to the show coming up today. The
government's gutted the Ministry for Disabled People moved heaps of
the work over to the Ministry for Social Development. Disability
advocates are not happy at all about this. We're going
to chat to one of them. The school menu, the
lunch menu is out. Guess what, it's full of healthy
food after all. So we speak to the Minister Responsible,
David Seymour, and would you go to North Korea because

(00:35):
the place is reopening its borders to tourists soon. Going
to speak to someone who's.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Been there, Heather Dupicy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
So submissions are now open. You can actually have your
say on whether Eden Park should be allowed to double
the number of concerts that they have at the moment
they have six. They want to be able to hold
twelve and from me, it's absolutely a hell yes, give
them twelve concerts. It's a great place to hold a show.
I've been to a few music shows there. Now went
to Joel pink Ed Sheering and honestly because of how

(01:05):
good it was as a music venue. I've struggled to
remember a time when Eden Park wasn't a music venue.
It just seems really natural, like it always has been.
But that's I mean, it's not that long ago that
we let absolutely no concerts take place there. Twenty twenty
one was the first time they ever had a concert
with six sixty. I need to say at this point, obviously,
in the interests of transparency, that a couple of the

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shows I went to, I was there because Eden Park
invited me, and I'm not naive. I suspect that they
invited me so that I could see what a great
venue it was, and it worked because I was quite
impressed with it. Now, obviously it's not the only venue
that Auckland City's got there a bunch of them. And
if you want to have an open air stadium concert,
obviously you have Mount Smart. But I still reckon eden
Park beats it on a number of fronts. I mean,

(01:47):
it's much easier to get to and from eden Park
than it is Mount Smart. Mount Smart for a really
really big show like a Harry Styles. I went there
for Harry Styles, absolute pain in the butt to get
in and out of you can just walk, just walk
for two and a half k's and you're in a
bar in Pondsmby then you've got the capacity thing. Mount
Smart can do about forty thousand people for a live show,

(02:08):
Eden Park can apparently do more than fifty thousand, which
obviously means more money for Auckland city, which is a
bit that I'm rarely interested in, specially given where we
are with an economy at the moment. The hotel occupancy
for Pink, which was the last big one at eden Park,
was apparently ninety seven percent in Auckland. That people staying
in hotels represents people coming in from somewhere else, right,

(02:28):
so they're bringing their money from other places in the
country in the region. It'll be even more money flowing
in for Cold Play later this year because they're only
playing Auckland. They're not playing anywhere else in the country.
So if you're in New Zealand you want to see them,
you're coming in and they're playing three shows. So actually,
so far eden Park is doing good things for Auckland's
economy and just to underscore the value of the place,

(02:49):
think of the biggest events that we've had on Auckland's
calendar in the last week, while we had Harry Styles,
we had Pink, we had the fee for Women's World Cup,
and we're going to have cold Play soon three of them, Pink,
the Women's World Cup and Coldplay, all of them at
Eden Park. After Coldplay, what's on Auckland's calendars? Cool things
to do outside of the regular stuff like the tennis Nothing,

(03:11):
there's sale GP and then there's nothing else. So I'd
argue we actually need Auckland Park to have some more
concerts because they attract the big stuff and who would
turn up the money that comes with it.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Heather duper Cela.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Me of submissions are open to this show as well,
for what you think. Nine two niney two standard text
fees apply now. And it turns out that someone's arigidly
allegedly tried to sell one of those meth lollies on
Facebook marketplace already. The cops are investigating that. So far,
they've managed to find twenty nine of the lollies and
they're still trying to recover the remainder that are out there.
Chris Wilkins is a massive university drug researcher. Hey Chris Hi,

(03:47):
how are you going, I'm well, thank you. Now, why
do you reckon that they've come from a Mexican drug cartel?

Speaker 5 (03:52):
Well, I mean, it's all just speculation. I mean, I'm
just pointing to get a few pieces of the puzzle.
So in Australia they had some very large eases of
liquid methm fedamine in the last six months and they've
done some analysis and they're saying that seventy percent of
their methamfetamine now comes from Mexico, Canada or the US

(04:14):
as opposed to the more traditional markets in Southeast Asia.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Apparently the Mexicans like putting their drugs in food, Is
that right?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, Well, I think the Mexican cartails are particularly innovative
and have expertise in smuggling because they have been for
many decades transporting drugs across the water to the US,
and of course that is incredibly challenging and US drug
enforcement is very diligent. So they've been involved in that

(04:46):
kind of thing for a while. And there's been some
really maintaintly innovative techniques used of converting metham feedamin into liquid,
impregnating it in all types of different products, and then
when it gets to the destination, they break down the
products and get the mess out again.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
And so how does it then end up at the
Auckland City Mission.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well, that's another bit of a mystery. So I'd say,
I mean, it's pretty clear that what's happened here is
has been some breakdown in terms of so a cartel
or a drug smuggling organization usually gets what they call
a catcher who's just beyond the border and they intercept

(05:28):
that product and then take it out of circulation and
take it back to the gang. And looks like there's
been some kind of breakdown in terms of that person
hunting down this package and taken out of circulation or
you know, or alternatively, it's just just literally ended up
in some household and those people that live in that house.

(05:49):
So I don't realize what that product is.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Because there was another theory which was positive. That was
positive rather and that is that actually it might have
been taken there deliberately in order to be sold to
people there, but somehow it's ended up being mistaken for
what it actually is.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
I mean, who knows. I mean, we can speculate kind
of all day. I would say that would be less
likely because honestly, I can't really see why you'd need
to go to all that trouble.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, And remarkably, when you're getting it sold, like if
you're going to sell it to somebody, you're not selling
it in lolli form, right, you're selling it in whatever
powerful or whatever it normally comes in.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, that's right. So the concealing it in those packages
and the legitimate products is really just for the process
of moving it across the border. Once you've got it
across the border, then you want to because as has
been already been covered, it's quite highly concentrated methamphetamine, and
there's three grams of that in one product, and at

(06:51):
retail level, that's not how you sell methampedamine. You sell
it a zero point one gram kind of points, right, so,
and that's two or three so you wouldn't really sell
like three grams and a big lump like that. So
they tend to get quite concentrated because you want to
concentrate as much drug into the smallest package to reduce

(07:14):
the likelihood that that's going to be detected and taken
out of circulation. And then once you get it over
the border, you take it out of the product and
you dilute it again and make it into essentially the
retail saleable amount.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Chris, how much is a three gram chunk of the
stuff worth?

Speaker 6 (07:32):
Well?

Speaker 5 (07:33):
Unfortunately, prices of myths have been declined in a New
Zealand for a number of years, so now it's something
around three hundred and fifty dollars a gram, so about
one thousand dollars probably.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Well, I suppose you can see why they're trying to
sell it on the old Facebook marketplace. And hey, thank you, Chris,
really appreciate your time. That's Chris Wilkins, massive university drug researcher.
Not looking good, by the way, for the gars of
peace talks which are supposed to be happening today, there's
it sounds like Hummas is not going to participate. It was,
to be fair, it was already looking like it was
going to be a really really tough, tough, tough call

(08:08):
to get anything out of this, because Israel's hardened its
position apparently in the last few weeks, and of course
Kamas has got a new leader now that the last
one was taken out, and the new leaders from the
most hard line faction, so they are also going to
take a harder stance and so as a result, the
two sides are further apart than they probably have been
in a very long time. What that means, though, is
slightly raising the fears that this thing could escalate beyond

(08:31):
Gaza and Israel at the moment quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for
business used talks at b Sport with tab get your
bed on a etem bet responsibly.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Darcy Watergrave, host of Sports Talk, is with me right now,
hey ds.

Speaker 7 (08:51):
Are you going to get your bet on this weekend?

Speaker 8 (08:53):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I think why you need.

Speaker 9 (08:55):
To back Adrika Stuplas is one of your countrymen right
because he's been fighting this week who's another reference African
over in Perth, Australia. And it's a comeback fight if
you will, for Isra Sunday. He's done nothing for months
and Ricus is the defending my exent, it's the defending
middleweight champion. So I think at a dollars seventy five

(09:17):
that's not bad for Israel and is combat fighting no
one astrailbow kick?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
What's he paying?

Speaker 9 (09:24):
I don't know when you're looking. Not Israel, he probably
pay a little more than that. But like if you're
over eighteen, because of course you can't go. And if
you can't and you've got to beat responsibly, we.

Speaker 10 (09:33):
Know I can't.

Speaker 7 (09:35):
Okay, now you've got to go down there and register.

Speaker 9 (09:37):
Of the tav same with me as well. I get
your beats down there as well. They reckon third round,
possibly for a knockout for Israel. He's been an active
so I'm not sure there's probably better money on to
proceed because there'll be a lot of people in his sound.
He'll be backing Israel to get the job done. It'll
be a good card three.

Speaker 7 (09:55):
It should be a lot of time to watch.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Now that's a good What do you make of Sam
Cane coming back?

Speaker 7 (10:00):
They have to bring Sam Cane back.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
We go back to the public again because when they
tour over there, they need a hard man with a
massive concrete shoulder like him to.

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Get in there.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
And actually, and I think the leadership side of things
as well, because the guy's been through that ring. It
absolutely and if you're gonna he's not going to be
around the next World Cup. But as far as that
transitional stage is concerned. I think it's important. I thought
maybe he might have been dragged back into play again
when they took on Fiji, but no, so now he's on. Yeah,
and I haven't changed to lose Ford trio.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
He'll probably come still there. How is t Jing still
in the squad?

Speaker 7 (10:34):
My favorite person of Homer Simpsons.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Don't know, No, no one knows what's going on.

Speaker 6 (10:39):
No one knows.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
We thought that.

Speaker 9 (10:44):
Be in there with a combination with Damian mckin's not
the case. The general consensus here is that they're giving TJ.
Petinara a chance to redeem himself and hopefully put the
box kicks away, because basically they weren't really contestable box
kicks except for one of them, which didn't work out
well anyway. They just said, look, you know what you
can do. You have the ball back and run at us.

Speaker 11 (11:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (11:06):
Not ideal, but I'm sure that he is not happy
with that, and you'd like to think he'll bring something
and if it's not working, i'd expect Razor to get
it out and reasonable back in the center's.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Position to Jordan, Yay, that's so good. Okay, Now why
have Devon Conway and Phil Allen chosen not to have
those central contracts.

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Well, thing's not going to be involved in a great
deal of cricket. He's really only a white ball player,
so he's not really going to be involved in test cricket.
So really they don't kind of think he's going to
have much to do that. He said, you know what,
I want to go make some money. Even though this
is unusual because he's at the young end of the
scale where most of them it's old guys who are
getting a retirement fund like Devon Conway.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Is this not the thing that we are worried about
or have been saying. First, you're going to lose the
guys who've played for their their country. They've done the
hard yards. Now they're off to make some cash. Then
the next one, and this is where you start worrying,
is the young guys leaving.

Speaker 9 (12:04):
No, I'm not worried because I think what it does
is that it opens up a path, that opens up
a pathway and a route for young players coming.

Speaker 7 (12:12):
Through to know.

Speaker 9 (12:12):
Okay, you guys look thin turned up much pomp and
ceram amround.

Speaker 7 (12:16):
What he's going to do.

Speaker 9 (12:16):
He has not achieved in that space. He just hasn't
done it, so you want to go away and make
a hoold of money by all means coming through. I
think that the next tier is coming through. They're good
players and they've got an opportunity now to go out
of a contract. Who replaces them now? And the next well,
there's two contracts places available. We'll find out Scott when

(12:37):
it's going to join us later on.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
In Sports Talk. Have we chat about that?

Speaker 9 (12:41):
And we're going to kick things off with Lori mains
ex or black Coach. Have we talk about the interesting
placement of DJ Betty and a team. He's got a
lot to talk about around there. We'll take you ar course,
well one hundred and eighty ten eighty the way I did.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
That, I did like that planting that quite early. Thank you, Darcy,
appreciate it. Dark. We'll be back at seven o'clock this
evening for Sports Talk. Right now, it's full twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Heather Dup to c Allen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected a news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 12 (13:15):
Heather.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I'm currently filling out the submissions for one hundred percent
for increasing the number of concerts at Edon Park, Yes
they need twelve or more. Yes'd go last two major
shows hither I went to at Eton Park. The trains
weren't running, the buses were used instead, and it was
a disaster. Billy Joel was one. You're right, Billy Joel
was a disaster on the transport front, and I think
Guns and Roses were the other. It was the other.

(13:36):
It's not like these shows a last minute rob that's fair.
That has been a real downside. That's because Auckland transport sucks. Literally,
transport in Auckland is in their name and they were
asked to do transport at a concert in Auckland, which
was not news to them and they've just failed to
bosmally at it. So you know who to blame on that.

(13:56):
Now we're going to talk about the Ministry for Disabled
People after five o'clock because people are not happy about
this has been absolutely gutted by the government today based
on a report that shows that they're not very good
at their job at the Ministry for Disabled People. The
delivery of support services is very inconsistent. So some places
in the country that areing a pretty good job of
looking after disabled people in their needs. Other places not

(14:19):
at all, And it seems like there's a post code
lottery going on. And part of the problem has just
been badly set up by the last Labor government who
set it up. But even bigger problem is that it's
blowing its budget. The overspend for this year is due
to be one hundred and fifty million dollars. So as
a result, what the government's done is they've basically moved
the delivery of support services, which is arguably the most

(14:41):
important thing for disabled people. It's actually being helped. That's
been moved to another agency who can actually do their
job properly, which is the Ministry for Social Development that's
going to start in October. Basically leaves the Ministry for
Disabled People as a policy outfit. I would just shut
the whole thing down. I think this is just this
is the government going week shut the thing down. If
it's rubbish, shut it down. You don't need if you're
making them other people do the proper job, shut it down.

(15:02):
But of course that's been too mean to disable people,
so I don't want to do that anyway. The Disability
Support Network's not happy about it. We'll talk to them
after five o'clock. The All Blacks were at the gym
with me today, like we wouldn't go together obviously, but
they were there. I'm going to tell you about that next. Yeah,
I'm going to tell you Hold on a teke. There's
nothing like, nothing really happened. But I was just a

(15:24):
little bit star struck by them. So we'll talk about
it next. Headlines as well.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
You're breaking heart.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Lesson on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and
in your car on.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Your drive home.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Here the dup to see Allen drive with one New Zealand.
Let's get connected a news talk because they'd be the.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Side with the need.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
There's a party downtown.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Your law just can't say that he got anything wrong.
I just can't admit it. He's been before the Finance
and Expenditure Select Committee today and I'll bring you some
of that because it's with Adrian. It's always a fun
time to just check in on his mood, isn't it.
So we'll do that shortly, Barrysope will bear us in
ten minutes time. Murriold's standing by out of Australia. Okay,
so the All Blacks were at the gym today, So

(16:18):
the All Blacks before they play a big test in Auckland.
Are they any test in Auckland? Frankly, they have a
little session at the gym that I go to and
I was walking. I like to go cycling because it
feels like it feels like the least intense thing to
do at the gym, so I'm going for the lazy option.
And also, by the way, you get this big screen
and they take you on these like mystical trips called

(16:39):
the trip. It's really fun, like it's basically like PEG
and a video games. There's a lot to go on
there anyway, by the bye, so I went in. I
went into the cycle class into the one side. There
is another studio there and it said private training session
due to start. No one could come in here, and
I was like where that all blacks are gonna be here?
And as I came out, I walked out in My
water fountain that I like to use is over there,
and I I turned the corner to go to the

(17:01):
water fountain and it was just a sea of adi
das And this is the point at which I became
twelve years old, because all of a sudden, I just
couldn't look at them because I was just like, oh no,
it's the all blacks and part And I'll tell you
what it wasn't like I was like starstruck, although maybe
I was, But largely what it was was that I
spotted all these other people were stopping to stare at them,

(17:21):
and I just felt really bad for them. I thought,
is there anything that sucks more than being an all
black in New Zealand where we're obsessed with rugby? Because
they just walked down the street, everybody'd be staring at them,
So I thought, I'm going to be the one person
that's not staring at them, which basically made me the
weirdo in the gym because I just kept looking down there.
I was walking towards them to look down. Look down anyway,
So I filled up my water bottle and then unfortunately

(17:43):
I had to look up because sort of like it
was getting awkward that there was somebody right there, and
looked up and it was Rico Yuanne. Can I tell
you Rico Yuannes skin in real life is as flawless
as it looks on the TV. He is a beautiful
human being. Thank god TJ was nowhere near, because can
you imagine how I would have to deal with that situation.

(18:04):
But I've just been slagging off his hair two days
ago and saying it was the world's worst haircut. Anyway, Also,
what I wanted to say to them, so I dodged
a bullet there. What I wanted to say to them,
if I could do it again, would be hey, good luck,
good luck on Saturday. But I couldn't quite. I wasn't
sure i'd get the tone right, and I was worried
that instead of being like chill and like hey, good
luck on Saturday, it would come out as good luck

(18:25):
on Saturday. That was worrying me as well. So anyway,
in the end, I just decided, don't look at them,
don't say anything. Geez, Rico you want has got beautiful
skin and leaf. Sir John Kerwin, who probably doesn't have
any of these conniptions about meeting men men who play rugby,
is going to be a thus quarter past five to
tell us whether he's impressed with what Rais has just
done with the squad. It's twenty two away from five.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
It's the world wires on news talks. He'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Starting stateside, where Donald Trump has been speaking on the
economy at a North Carolina rally today.

Speaker 13 (18:57):
I think called the economy. They wanted to to speech
you on the economy. A lot of people are very
devastated by what's happened with inflation and all of the
other things.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
So we're doing this.

Speaker 9 (19:07):
As an intellectual speech.

Speaker 14 (19:09):
You're all intellectuals today.

Speaker 13 (19:11):
Today, we're doing it, and we're doing it right now,
and it's very important.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
And then the Kamala attack started.

Speaker 13 (19:20):
She doesn't want anybody to know what she's really for,
and that way she could change it, you know. I mean,
she'll tell you what she wants and change it the
way she wants it, and ultimately it'll be the way
she wants it. I mean, the clown that she picked
as a vice president, this guy's a clown.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
He was so bad.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
And then he also brought up his COVID successes.

Speaker 13 (19:41):
So we never really got the credit we deserve for
that with the ventilators and all of the different things
that we did, the outfits, a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
And then to the Middle East, we there's still no
movement on Iran's retaliation towards Israel, though former UK Foreign
Secretary Lordo when he is issuing a nuclear warning, well.

Speaker 14 (19:58):
What's dangerous about this is the both sides have indicated
to the other that their nuclear weapons are this time
not of the agenda. That is very dangerous. This crisis is,
I think, in a funny way, more dangerous than some
of the obvious fates that we've had before.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
And finally, a man has broken the Guinness World Record
for the longest time without sleep after staying awake for
twelve days straight. He's a YouTuber. His name is Norm.
He pushed his limits in a stunt that actually led
to some social media outlets banning him because it's so
blinking dangerous. The nineteen year old managed to reach two
hundred and sixty four hours and twenty four minutes without sleep,

(20:41):
and emergency services actually were outside his house ready to intervene.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Murriol's AUSI correspondents with us.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Now, hey, maus, these norms on his own.

Speaker 15 (20:55):
As far as I'm concerned, mate, going to have to
do to you.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I don't even think I could do twenty six out
like I think.

Speaker 16 (21:00):
I think I'll stop it.

Speaker 15 (21:01):
No, I need eight or nine or ten a night.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, No, I'm not sorry. White sometimes it's terrible doctors
that I need ten hours a night and they are
kind of alarmed. So anyway, you should probably go see
somebody about that, Mauz. Listen. Peter Dutton is he is
he actually getting traction with the stuff that he's saying
about visa applications from Gaza.

Speaker 15 (21:18):
It is definitely playing to the conservative side of politics
over here. As far as he's concerned, Gaza and refugees
must not be allowed into Australia without things like biometric testing,
face to face interviews, asio assessments. The government says, listen,
pipe down. All you're doing is trying to stir up
division in the community. Dutton has repeated this call for

(21:41):
a temporary bannies, calling it on accepting Palestinian refugees. Now
the government has hit back as I say, it's a
deliberate calculation, according to Anthony ALBERONIZI to divide the Australian community.
Here's the thing. I mean, we know what's happened in Garza.
It's dreadful. Now. The government's granted nearly three thousand visitor
visas to Palestinians who have left Gaza since October seven,

(22:04):
but seven thousand other applicants have been turned down. Now
on Thursday, Peter Dutton saying this morning Peter Dutton's reaffirmed
his position. He went on Channel nine. He was accused
of being racist and heartless. He said, listen, what we're
trying to do is make Australian safe. But the same
argument wasn't mounted by Labor when the Coalition was in

(22:25):
power and Afghanistan was going straight down the toilet. There
were many, many, hundreds and hundreds of Afghanis who were
allowed into Australia on humanitarian visas, on visitor visas and
so on because it was so damn dangerous for them
because they might have been a religious minority. Yazidis came
here in their many, many hundreds, So it's a bit rich,

(22:47):
I think for Dutton to be saying, oh, in a
block and block them just to play. It was political
based because these are real people, their children, their mums,
They've got no future in Gaza. It's dreadful and they
want to come to Australia.

Speaker 16 (23:00):
Must listen.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
This shepherd crashed the chopper sounds like it was quite
out of character for him.

Speaker 15 (23:05):
One hundred percent. This guy apparently was the real deal.
He's a lovely young man, twenty three years old. He
had arrived four months ago with a helicopter license from
New Zealand and he found a job as ground crew
with this helicopter company up in far North Queensland. He
was a modeled worker, according to the boss, that's the quote.
He'd just been named employee of the month. And maybe

(23:25):
they're trying to figure out what's happened here, but twenty
three year old Blake Wilson had celebrated that announcement. He
had been the employee of the month. They just got
a promotion. He was going out to one of the
island's Horn Island, out on the Great Barrier reef, and
that was a big deal of Pardy. Anyway, Sunday night,
he was celebrating with some colleagues the fact that he

(23:47):
had been he had been named a special employee of
the month and had this new job. And he was
the only one left around eight thirty that night, and
the following morning he's apparently gone out to the airport,
fired the chopper and crashed and died. And as you say,
completely out of character. They just don't know what the
hell was going on. And all the bits and pieces

(24:09):
of his craft. You know the relevant bits are down
in Cabra with the Australian Air Safety Transport Bureau.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
Myles, thanks for running us through it, mate, really appreciate.
It's Murray Old's Australia correspondent here. The first we have
services cut for those of us with disabilities, and now
we lose our very own ministry. How much more we
expected to take the factors disabled people in Australia treated
better than we are. Look, I don't know what the
detail is with the services being cut. That would be
the thing that I'd be most upset about. But is
this really that important to have your own ministry? Because

(24:37):
I feel as if the this is my way, this
is my comparison to it is the ministry that would
most likely represent me, I would say, would be the
Women's Ministry. Oh my gosh, cut it? Oh need what
a waste of What do they even work on? Is
the entire thing just dedicated to the gender pay gap?
Cut it? All those people just working on the gender
pay gap? Cut it don't need a ministry. So do

(24:59):
you need a ministry or do you just need the
stuff landing on your doorstep that you need? We'll talk
to the Advocate when they're with us after five o'clock,
it's coming up quarter to two.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
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certainty Very.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US Barry, Hello, good afternoon.
Heather Raymus has had something to say about these meth lollies.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Well, it's incredible, isn't it, The story that it's gone
around the world. Not surprisingly, he's in Sydney today ahead
of his meeting with Albanezi and Canberra tomorrow. But you'll
be pleased to hear, and you probably already know anyway,
the police recovered sixteen of the lollies, Yester, and a
further thirteen we're discovered overnight in Auckland. Apparently each packet

(25:43):
contained about thirty dollies. So let's hope there's only one
left out there. Let's hope there's only one packet. But
the problem is who knows. And it is really a
significant problem for this country considering the strength of these lollies,
and they're obviously aimed at and you imagine if it
was your child that inadvertently put one of these in

(26:05):
their mouths. But not surprising, the stories, like I said,
has made news around the world. Chris likes and says
he's deeply concerned about the danger it presents to this country.

Speaker 17 (26:17):
I just want everyone in New Zealand say, this is
incredibly worrying concerning Please please please check check check that
actually what you're feeding your children are safe, and make
sure that you are aware of what these lollies are
and what they look like so that you can actually
remove them. I mean, it's incredibly worrying I think for
everybody watching that story, and we're worried about.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
You know, the police can do the vescatch one out,
how the hell it actually happens.

Speaker 17 (26:40):
The bigger issue right now is public safety and making
sure everyone's well.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Aware of it.

Speaker 6 (26:44):
You're clearly how the hell it happened was a drug
dealer was trying to import the stuff into the country.
And I heard your drug expert on before saying that
it probably came from a Mexican cartel, which is apparently
a big player in getting methamine around this part of
the world.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Yeah, apparently. So what is the infrastructure that they've been
looking at over in Sydney.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
Well, the New South Wales have been quite ahead of
the ballgame when it comes to private public partnerships and
this is what our ministers have based their fast track
legislation and the experts who will oversee this now. Traveling
with Chris Luckson was the Infrastructure or is the Infrastructure

(27:29):
Minister Chris Bishop, the Regional Development Minister of our old
mate Shane Jones, and the Transport Minister Sam and Brown.
They were all standing with Chris Lush he was talking
to the media today. Like I said, they've based their
plan on the Australian experience and in particular New South Wales.

(27:49):
Basically they're wanting cross party support for the big projects
after an expert panel decides what are the most important
to proceed With Chris Bishop from Sydney.

Speaker 18 (28:01):
The purpose of the Infrastructure Priority List is to pull
out independently assessed, credible projects that the country needs over
the next five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. That idea that
we're developing in New Zealand has been taken from Infrastructure
Australia and also Infrastructure in South Wales. We spent a
bit of time talking about that with them this morning
and that also goes I think to the point around

(28:22):
building a more bipartisan pipeline and projects. If you have
a independently verified list of projects that infrastructure experts have
said this is what the country or in this case,
the state needs, then political parties can then get behind
those projects in government or in opposition.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
Yeah, well, good luck for that. That's the problem I
think with infrastructure in this country. That they announced very
big plans and I'm not just saying the National Party,
but certainly Labor did and we know that here in
Auckland announced the big plans and of course another government
comes along and changes them. So this would be certainly
a political change if the Labor Party got on board

(28:57):
with what these are doing. But be announcements as I
understand it, made within the next couple of weeks about
this expert panel that will decide who gets a priority
when it comes to infrastructure being built in this country.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Do you see how popular the charter schools are proving?

Speaker 7 (29:12):
Oh incredible, isn't it really?

Speaker 6 (29:14):
Seventy eight applications have come in to open the new
charter schools and essentially the brainchild or the pet project
of the Associate Education Minister David Seymour. Funding this year's
budget only allows though for fifteen new schools and thirty

(29:35):
five state call schools to be maybe converted converted, which
leaves twenty eight not being funded through next year. And
the sponsored these schools, so there will be a lot
of disappointed people out there. But they will be starting
next year, which is quite extraordinary. And you know a
lot of people ask me what is a charter school. Well, essentially,

(29:58):
it's a school that decides it's own curriculum, but they
have to keep up. They have to keep up with
other schools in the system, so they're judged frequently on
they have their own curriculum, the hours and days of operation,
and the government structure is quite separate from the state.
But look, it is an interesting concept. There's still a

(30:21):
couple going that Labour didn't get their hands on when
they were in government.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Are they the ones run by Willie Jackson?

Speaker 6 (30:26):
I'm not sure that he doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, so that maybe because he, Yeah, Labor hates them,
but Willy loves the turns out. Hey, thank you, Barry,
appreciate it very so. Per senior political correspondent news Dogs.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
At B putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the
mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (30:42):
Almost out of nowhere came Adrian Oran's Monetary Committee and
told us all the stuff he said last time seemed
to have changed and the cuts that were coming next
year are coming now. To the Governor Adriana's with.

Speaker 20 (30:51):
Us, We're said, We're are now far more confident as
a minetary policy committee that inflation, inflation expectations and pricetting
behavior are now consistent with us being able to ease
off on the monetary restrict.

Speaker 19 (31:05):
Last time we heard from you and May, you weren't
cutting till next year. Yesterday you did.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
That's a dramatic backdown.

Speaker 20 (31:11):
Well, no, I think plenty of time and plenty of
information has happened since May, and we've also communicated that
as well.

Speaker 19 (31:18):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain Driver of the Laugh News Talk ZB.

Speaker 4 (31:23):
Hey, looks like Kim dot Com is due to be deported.
But you know, before you get excited, there's the usual caveat.
He is going to slow it down and appeal. But
Paul Goldsmith has confirmed that he signed a warrant for
dot COM's deportation. He says he's received extensive advice from
the Ministry of Justice on this matter. I considered all
the information carefully have decided that mister dot Com should

(31:43):
be surrendered to the US to face trial. Dot Com
is going to appeal this decision, and he says Paul
Goldsmith's decision, so New Zealand was an obedient US colony
in the South Pacific. Call cool. You just you keep
on smack talking US, mate while you're here. That sounds
really awesome anyway, So keep an eye on that, because
it's not going to happen very fast, is it if

(32:04):
he's busy appealing the school lunches. So the sample recipes
of the healthy school lunches have been revealed. And despite
all of the cries about how this was going to
be unhealthy and we were going to be starving children
who only get one meal a day, blah blah blah,
it's actually not that bad. So they're getting things like

(32:25):
hidden vegetable butter, chicken chicken burger, rap, creamy chicken pasta bake.
I mean, I could eat this stuff, Mexican rice and
bean burrito, savory mince with roasted seasonal veggies.

Speaker 16 (32:38):
This is I mean.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
David Seymore had said that it was going to move
into more of the sandwich space, but he's obviously over
delivering and here's the amazing bit about it still apparently
for three dollars a meal. So I feel like the
people who were having a winge about this kind of
and I said to them at time, I was like,
I think you're getting ahead of yourselves. You've got to
see the detail before you actually criticize, Like, no, no, no,
they criticizing it. I feel like they've got egg on

(32:58):
their faces because David Seymour, by the looks of things,
as managing to deliver a healthy meal for three dollars
while saving around one hundred and seven million dollars a year.
What's not to like. He's with us ten past five.
But next, let's talk about the Ministry for Disabled People.
News Talks at b.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Give the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Heather due to Clan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and News Talks.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Said be.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Afternoons. So the government's announced it's going to gut the
Ministry for Disabled People. The place has apparently not been
delivering services consistently around the country, operating some sort of
post code lottery, and it's also blowing its budget by
one hundred and fifty million dollars this year. So the
government's decided to move the disability support services away from
the Ministry and instead to the Ministry for Social Development.

(33:57):
Peter Reynolds is the CEO of the New Zealand Disability
these Support networking with us. He Peter hi Heather not
keen on us.

Speaker 15 (34:05):
No, not at all.

Speaker 21 (34:06):
There's a big difference between overspending and underfunding. What we're
seeing is for over a decade a sector that has
been underfunded consistently. The way Fai Karha, the Ministry for
Disabled People was set up in the first place, it
was never funded properly to do the job. So of
course you're going to see from one perspective overspending. But
we're saying, well, hell, if you don't put enough money

(34:28):
into the system, what do you call it?

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Well, didn't the government just check another billion dollars into
the system at.

Speaker 21 (34:33):
The last budget one point one billion, yes, and eighty
million of that was to bail Thai Kaha out because
they ran out of money.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
So it's obviously so it's not of an underfunding problem.
I mean, there's a billion dollars right there.

Speaker 21 (34:45):
Well, The trouble is is about two point one billion
dollars worth of expenditure needed. So it is an issue
and it's fair to look into that and say, well,
why have we got that increased demand? We know, for example,
in residential services one of the areas that's been highlight
by the review as a part that needs to be
cut back at, the increasing complexity and age range of

(35:08):
disabled people needing that level of support has been increasing heavily.
So with that added complexity, where else do those people
go if they need that level of support? What are
they supposed to do? Do they turn up to an
old folks harme? Do they go to the local emergency
department at the hospital? If the services aren't available to

(35:28):
support disabled people, then what are they supposed to do?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
In terms of what's happened today, which is moving the
services delivery from this ministry to another ministry. Is that
necessarily a bad idea to move it to another ministry
that it can actually deliver?

Speaker 21 (35:43):
Not necessarily, but I guess we've got a question mark
over its capacity to deliver. Clearly, I Faikaha had struggled.
They haven't been set up right in the first place,
then they're never going to be able to achieve what
they need to. But our experience, I mean, across our
sector are about eight different funders for different contracts. It's
all quite COMPLEXMSD are one of those funders now. As

(36:07):
recently as June thirtieth, three contracts expired across a couple
one hundred providers. No replacement contract was issued for two months.
That's two months that those providers didn't receive any funding
and didn't have a contract to provide the service to
the people in their care. That just doesn't give me

(36:27):
a hell of a lot of confidence that MASD are
in the right position to be able to do this.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Peter, listen, thank you for talking us through to really
appreciate it. Peter Reynolds, the CEO of the Disability Support.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Network Together dupleic ellen So curries, past.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
The dishes, burritos and sandwiches are just some of the
options that are going to be on the menu for
next year for the school lunch program. The Associate Minister
of Education, David Seymour, who's in charge of this, is
with me. Hello David, Hi, are you providing all of
these hot meals for three bucks a meal?

Speaker 8 (36:56):
Well, there's been early market indications of what people might
ender to provide. And certainly the expert advisory group we've
had these are people that work in logistics and catering
at a commercial level. They believe that it's possible that
we're going to land contracts like that. You'd be amazed.
I know, lunch can be expensive, but when you buy

(37:19):
lunch for two hundred and fifty thousand people every day,
you can get some better deals. By contrast, the previous
government was doing quarter of a million meals a day,
paying up to eight dollars sixty. I've got people that
work in my office and the beehive who say, man,
I do meal prep for the week and I don't
budget that much for my lunch. It just shows how
much money was being wasted previously.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, how is it possible to get that level of efficiency?
What's going is it smaller portions? What's going on?

Speaker 8 (37:47):
It's just that you're buying such large amounts. So I mean,
if you are running logistics and delivery, if you're running storage,
if you're doing cooking, it's always going to be cheaper
to do big deals on large amounts. And if you
talk to people like we've had somebody associated with Yman.

(38:07):
You know, they do about eight thousand meals a day,
just got really good at doing it at scale, beatiful
to people at kids can charitably supported. They actually budget
two dollars per kid per day for their meal, So
you know, I can understand it's kind of surprisingly seem
like small amounts of money, especially if you've been living
through the inflation of the last few years and the

(38:29):
amount things cost. But no, these people have hired that
know what they're doing and do it for a job
every day. Believe it's possible. Now we're putting out the
tender and there's every reason to believe that we're going
to be able to deliver what's been indicated at the
prices that have been indicated.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
David, what's up with your new Ministry for Regulation needing
five communications staff?

Speaker 8 (38:51):
Well, first of all, who are they communicating to? Actually,
a lot of it is listening. So for example, we're
doing a red tape reduction drive on early childhood, which
is terribly over regulated. They've had over a thousand people
engaged with that so far, and then there's also regulators
across it.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Are you telling me the comm staff are listening to people?

Speaker 8 (39:13):
Yeah, because it's not just communications for journalism that you
might be familiar with. It's communications with a range of
different stakeholders, including the regulated parties that are part of
sector reviews, and eventually their job is going to be
to communicate with regulate tours across government. So it's not
just answering the phone when a journo rings up, which

(39:35):
I'm sure you'll be familiar with. What portion of communication
and the wider sense.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
What proportion of these comm staff are just media staff.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
That I couldn't tell you, but as I understand it,
the job couldn't well, it could be, but they at
least have to spend some of their time doing kinds
of communication.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
You're the guys who went hard at the Ministry of
Education for having too many communications stuff and at Health
New Zealand as well. This looks a bit hypocritical, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
No?

Speaker 8 (40:03):
I don't think so, because if it was five people
answering the phone as pre secretaries for journalists that run up,
I'd be pretty alarmed. But they assure me that that's
not the purpose. And if you want further proof that
we don't have a whole lot of people doing comms
for journalists, why are they trying me are here to
do the defense of them rather than having all of

(40:24):
these supposed press secretary story hie them.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Maybe they're not an idea. David, thank you very much.
I really appreciate your time. Mate this David Seamore, the
Associate Ministry of Education together do to see Alan John
Kerwin is going to be with us on the all
black selections shortly. Yeah, so this is what's going on. Okay.
The Taxpayers Union is not happy with ACT about it.
That's news in itself because usually they like to cheerlead ACT.
Not badly. I think it's just because they sort of
share the same way of thinking. But this time not

(40:48):
happy with ACT at all because not only is the
Ministry for Regulation recruiting five media stuff and come on,
of course they're media staff that communications stuff. They do
a bit of internal cammunications, do a bit of listening. Instead,
they're not really going to be engaging with stakeholders. That's
not really what comms people are for. And then they
are press secretaries that's at least part of their job.

(41:10):
Not only are they hiring five, but they're hiring a
principal advisor engagement and communications. Salary expectation up to one
hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars a year, and the
Taxpayer's Union says this government, but particularly Act was elected
to slash waste, but recruiting five comm staff at what
should be our leanest ministry tells another story quarter past. Hey,

(41:30):
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Speaker 2 (42:22):
Dupu sy Ellen.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
All right, Well wait, sir John Cowan, can you please
answer your phone because we want to talk to him.
He's not answering his phone, and we want to talk
to him about what's going on with Raizer Robinson's changes
that he's made. And basically my question obviously is going
to be why on Earth is TJ back? But yeah,
if you're listening, or if you're a mate of John
and you're listening, can you text John and tell him
we'll try. That's us trying to call him from the block,
the weirdo blocked number that usually only is reserved for

(42:47):
scammers and the cops and your boss. So yeah, thank you.
If you could organize that, we'll try to talk to him.
We're going to talk to Mark Kreisel actually in about
sixteen minutes time, because Mark has been to North Korea. Now, Mark,
of course, if you know who is that, Mark is
a former TV as Its Sunday journalist who's been to
North Korea to work North Korea. You will have hurt
as decided it's going to reopen its border to tourists

(43:10):
being closed for five years, and from December, they're going
to start letting people back in, which begs the question
do you want to go to North Korea?

Speaker 16 (43:16):
Now?

Speaker 4 (43:16):
My answer obviously immediately is yes. But then I do
some weird things from time to time, like deliberately get
myself involved with I don't know, like I order a
gun online and get myself in trouble with the cops.
You know, I make some bad decisions in my life.
Just put it like that, other people who are more
cautious might not want to go to North Korea. Or
get his take because he's been actually incidentally used to

(43:38):
live down the road from Gareth Morgan and Joe Morgan,
both of whom are known for doing weird stuff, and
they were going to go and being brave and wild
and things like that. They were going to go to
North Korea, and they invited me and I said yes.
And then for some reason, and I don't know what
it was, maybe I don't know what happened, something came
up and I couldn't go with them, And to this
day I regret it and wish I did anyway, So

(44:00):
he's with us just after the half past five years.
Now we've got our first assessment and this is going
to be a regular thing of whether the New Zealand
is adapting to climate change fast enough. This has been
done by the Climate Commission and apparently, what a surprise, No,
we're not. And it's obvious that we're not adapting to
climate change fast enough because the Esk Valley got flooded
by floods that are apparently caused by climate change. We

(44:21):
can run you through the details of that when I
get a chance. Got sir JK on the line with
us right now. JK, Hello, how are you doing very well?
Thank you? Why is TJ back?

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Well? I think that's a really really interesting team I've
just managed to look at. I think because there's an
old All Black saying that says, you can play badly once,
but if you play badly twice, you're probably never going
to make it the game. So when I was an
All Black, one of the things we knew was that

(44:53):
if we had a bad day, then we'd probably get
another chance. Normally, what happens is, though we had one
the other night.

Speaker 15 (45:02):
Then.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
You know the guys that played badly, probably didn't wouldn't
be as much highlighted. So I think it comes back
to some some old or black things that that that
I actually believe in, because I you know, it's now
up to TJ. Pirenara to get out there and and
you know, he'll be disappointed himself in the game he

(45:24):
played last week, and so he'll he'll get out there
and make amends or he'll be under some real pressure.
So that's that's probably why he's out there. The Anton
Lennard Brown one is probably your next question either. Is
that correct?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I was actually to ask you about Sam Kine and
whether he was but give me the Anton Lennon Brown
because I think it's probably more interesting because you were
thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, look, I think I think that's a hard one.
I thought he was one of the players of the
game last week, and he's still in He's still in
the starting lineup, so that's that's probably you go, Okay,
then he's going to come on as an impact The
Sam Kaine is another really interesting one. I think that's

(46:05):
about his leadership. You know, I don't see Sam as
an impact player anymore. You know, back in his early
days he used to come on for Richard mccaugh and
that was cool. But I think what happened last week
is probably more around his leadership late and having that
cool head sometimes, you know. I think the last ten
or twelve minutes, and this leadership group is young, right,

(46:26):
so the last ten or twelve minutes, they probably needed
an old head out there. So I think what they'd
do is they put him out there the last fifteen
to twenty minutes. If it comes down to.

Speaker 22 (46:37):
The wire, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
I mean he's got a fair few caps under his belt, right,
so he will know what to do. Jk's good to
talk to you. Thank you, sir, John Cowan, former All Black.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Five twenty three Heather Duplessy Ellen cutting through the noise
to get the facts. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk as
they'd be.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Six pass five. Tell you what if you want to
watch a country with with a big crime problem at
the moment, cracked down on it, watch Britain at the minute.
A judge has just sent a woman to jail for
those riots last week. She wasn't even at the riots,
she was just behind her computer. She was just a
keyboard warrior. She wrote online that mosques should be blown up.
And as a result of just saying that, fifteen months

(47:18):
in the Slanner, fifteen months in the Slamner, She's not
alone actually in coppying a harsh punishment. Quite a few
have been sentenced now. I had to look through their sentences.
Of the ones who were actually at the riots, who
are adults, the shortest sentence I could see was for
eight months, and that was for racially aggravated intentional harassment.
So as far as I can tell, there's not even

(47:38):
punching anyone, that's not throwing a chair, that's just just
verbally harassing somebody by the sounds of things. And that's
eight months. And some of those guys have been sent
to the slam of three years. Now. This didn't happen
because there is one rogue, tough judge sitting there having
a crack at them. This is happening because they are
deliberately in the UK sending a very clear message about

(47:58):
their tolerance as a country for like that. Just this
week the Home Secretary said people in the UK have
lost their respect for the police, and then said, as
well as punishing them, we must take action to restore
respect for the police and restore respect for the law. Now,
doesn't that sound like the same kind of thing that
we're dealing with in this country? Obviously not the riots,
but just that attitude to the law. Here, we've got

(48:20):
the same kind of thumbing of the nose, the same
kind of old just get a cultural report that outlines
my difficult childhood and I say I'm really sorry, and
the judge will give me a seventy five percent discount
type attitude. Now, yes, our government is addressing that, and
thank goodness for that. They're going to force the judges
essentially to hand down tougher sentences, and I'm sure that
will have an impact. But I'm also keen to say,
see what happens in the UK with this hardline approach,

(48:42):
whether it lasts, whether it's only limited to the riots,
whether the public applaud it, and whether it dissuades similar
future action, because we have been told for a very
long time now that harsher punishment actually does not deter crime.
So let's see if.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
It does ever do. For see Allen, Right, We're going to.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Chat to Mark Kreisel about North Korea shortly, and also
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(49:18):
you dress up, you might be the one getting an upgrade.
Two more for you.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
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Speaker 2 (49:30):
Let's get connected and news talk as it'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Pay the immigration ministers. Because he's doing a speech at
the moment, there have been suspicions that she might crack
down on migrants and just try to get those numbers
coming back. We're gonna check in with Alan McDonald's. It's
at the EMA. We'll check in with him. He's there
after six o'clock and just find out what's going on. Heither.
I was greeting my daughter at an airport and a
man wearing a dressing gown came off the plane, and
many hours later we went the local pub for tea

(50:01):
and the dressing gown man was still there in his
dressing gown. Tell me that's because he was in business class.
He didn't have to dress up to get a promotion
up up the plane, right, he was already there. So
it's like just whatever I reckon. You can tell who's
in business class sometimes by just how scruffy they are,
and like the number of track pands in business class,
it's disproportionate to the rest of the plane. Here's another
tip from the former Quantus captain. Invest in noise canceling headphones.

(50:25):
Not only because you can cut out the engine noise
and the screaming cads and all of that stuff, and
what is a very noisy environment just becomes beautiful and peaceful.
But also, he says, because the noise levels on airplanes
actually make the food taste worse. This, he says, is
a scientific fact. So you're gonna enjoy your food a
lot more if things are quiet. Makes sense to me.

(50:45):
Huddle standing by twenty three away.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
From six Heather do for Sels.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
North Korea is set to allow tourists back into the
country after nearly five years of COVID restrictions. The country
has two main tourism operators, and these guys are going
to start the trips again from December this year, the
last set of two to visit the country where Russian
in an attempt to strengthen diplomatic ties. Now Mark Kreisel
is a former Tivansat Sunday journalists who's actually traveled to
North Korea before. He's with me now in studio Hay Mark. Hello, Heather,

(51:12):
how would you go? Well, first of all, how are
you very well? Nice to see your face? Yeah, Now,
would you go there as a tourist?

Speaker 23 (51:20):
I would recommend it?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
I would.

Speaker 23 (51:23):
I've been so I don't need to go back, and
I'm happy about this.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Is it the once? Is it a visit once?

Speaker 23 (51:26):
It's like going to the moon.

Speaker 24 (51:27):
Every other country in the world is pretty much the
same now because the globalization, same shops, things like faces
and language is a different, but the experiences can be
the same. North Korea is like going to the moon,
and when you go inside, it's like being sealed in
a tupperware container.

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Yeah, Okay, you don't need to go back because you've
been there. I've never been there. Should I go?

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Go?

Speaker 24 (51:48):
To be brave and go because it's fascinating. Yeah, And
that's one of the great things about travel. Isn't it
that you go to places that people haven't been before.
We were lucky enough to go to places that no
foreigners that have ever been before in North Korea. And what
you'll see is what they want you to see when
you go. You'll see peong Yang, which is like a
looks like a set in the Jetsons or something like that.

(52:08):
But just be aware that you'll be followed and watched
and monitored with everything you do. We were in our
rooms in a place called Sanuju in the north, just
near over the river from Dandong and China, and we said,
because we've had all our books taken office at the border.
We said, we're sitting in the room my cameraman and
producer Luisa, and I said, oh, man, I wish we'd

(52:30):
brought some cards. The next morning, they brought us some cards.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Have they got microphones or just microphones? I don't know.

Speaker 23 (52:36):
I guess I don't know. God, I would hope they
didn't have cameras.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Did you jump out of the shower so fast and
get dressed so fast?

Speaker 23 (52:44):
No, I'm not shy.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Okay, you've got new tendencies.

Speaker 23 (52:49):
They're only human.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
What's there to see?

Speaker 11 (52:51):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (52:52):
It's just fascinating to be in another culture.

Speaker 24 (52:55):
They have monuments, They have monuments so that those monuments
of the two leaders are incredible, But you have to
be so careful that you don't do anything silly around
them or disrespect what they were assuming to be disrespectful.
I took a photo of my cameraman, Martin, in front
of a big portrait in our lobby of the two
first two leaders who are revered. I went up to
my bedroom. There was a knock at my door. Who

(53:19):
was Two policemen wanted to see the photo. Oh yeah, okay, yeah,
so you become well I did. I became quite paranoid
and claustrophobic. So it's quite happy to leave the country
when we did. But we were, like I say, going
to places that were where foreigners don't normally go.

Speaker 23 (53:34):
We had a big entourage with us.

Speaker 24 (53:36):
The people who said they were scientists and journalists, they
were probably secret police people things like that. So we
couldn't we couldn't leave our hotel without an escort.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
So it's not a relaxing place. It's not like going
to feed But they have.

Speaker 24 (53:48):
A ski resort there, which is apparently they're really good
and they're poured money into it. And apparently the beaches
are quite nice, because remember when Trump had his meeting
with Kim John Corn in Singapore, he pitched condos on
the beach there, so apparently the beaches are quite nice.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Okay, all right, I don't know that you've sold it
to me, but I suppose just once to be brave,
once you've seen everything else in the world, Right, you
could go there and try.

Speaker 23 (54:11):
This one when you're eighty on a bus.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
Yeah, okay, go to North Korea. But do it when
you're young so you can run away.

Speaker 23 (54:17):
Just don't drop my name here, Mike.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Thank you so much appreciated, and I'm glad you made
it out in one piece. Mark Kreisel, journalist who's obviously
been there nineteen away from Sex.

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Speaker 4 (54:32):
On the Huddle with me. Mark Sainsbury, journalists and broadcaster,
and Ellie Jones read prre Hello you too get eight
Yeah Sainso would you go yeah?

Speaker 16 (54:41):
Oh yeah, I mean guess Mark's I don't remember when
he went. I was so jealous because it's just one
of those it's just one of those sort of it's
just so weird. And as Mark was saying that we
were can go these days, it is so different.

Speaker 11 (54:56):
We have a McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Okay, what about you, allie, I'm starting to get vibe here.
Ali that the people who would go to North Korea
are journalists but normal people wouldn't. So what about you?

Speaker 25 (55:05):
Oh no, no, I definitely I've been to South Korea.
I found that really interesting and different. Yeah, I know,
extremely westernized. Yeah, very different, but I mean the language
is still similar, you know, those sorts of things. But yes,
of course i'd go if if you look, if you've
got to try things, as you said, well said, go
while you're young enough to run away, I mean, go
while you can and experience something different.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Yeah, why not? Here's the thing those saying so like,
sometimes I find that that a holiday in a place
that speaks English and is part of the Old Empire
is quite easy to kind of like, it's an easy holiday,
right because the culture is kind of the same, and
the further away the culture gets from your own, the
more challenging the holiday can be and less relaxing. And
I feel like this is the extreme.

Speaker 7 (55:47):
Of that day.

Speaker 15 (55:49):
Oh he used to be here.

Speaker 16 (55:50):
When you used to travel and when you're on assignment
and going to different countries, or when I was a
foreign correspondent, begang. So you would attempt to try and
you know a bit of the language, just so you
didn't turn up looking like an didn't understand anything. But
there's less and less incentive to do that now as
you go over in English. Everyone speaks English, and so
you're not immersing yourself into that sort of different cultural experience.

(56:11):
And I think this is I think this is this
is a different cop This would go into that who's
the guy who wrote their Holidays and hell book?

Speaker 12 (56:18):
You know, the American and needs to.

Speaker 11 (56:21):
Go after all? Just anywhere there.

Speaker 15 (56:24):
No, no, I know Bill Bryson.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Oh what is his name? He started?

Speaker 16 (56:30):
Anyway, I'll think of it the same when.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
You think of it, so I know it your age,
it takes a little longer.

Speaker 16 (56:34):
Well, let us know I've past that sixty threshold where
there's been big changes.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yes, that's right, you aged sixty two. Right, Hey ellie,
what do you make of the school lunches?

Speaker 16 (56:45):
Mean?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
You don't look that bad, does it?

Speaker 25 (56:47):
I think it looks great. I look I'm a big foodie.
Husband's and ex chef. I do like doing things on
a budget. You wouldn't believe how many meals I can
get out of a chicken, So I really liked it.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
I do under though whether some.

Speaker 25 (57:01):
Of those sort of spicy beanie type things are not
going to spin kids wheels, but I was pleased to
see that they're clearly checking them for the nutritional value
and the appeal to those who want to eat them.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
I think it looks really good. Yeah, I wonder saying
so if the people who were criticizing kind of got
a little ahead of this and maybe just a little
embarrassed because this is not that bad.

Speaker 16 (57:21):
Yeah, I mean it looked to be fair when it
first came out. I'll look at those those terrible people
they're cutting to school lunches. So the concept I think
was quite challenging. But one they've sort of come out,
I said, I think, okay, if you can do it,
and it's interesting that it's sort of trying to deliver
what was it, another one hundred ten teams, one hundred thousand,
ten thousand pre school they'll be I'll just sort of

(57:42):
put in this budget as well, because it's not just
it's not just the kids at school that are I mean,
I think that I think it's really really important that
the food and school's program, and it's got to be.
You don't want to have that awful system. They have
another country we build with vouchers and you go, oh,
look there's Heather with their pink vouchers. She's obviously poor.
You know, all that sort of stuff. So that you
know you've got to do. You've got to do the

(58:03):
whole thing and treat their what equally. But yeah, look
I looked through those menus. Actually that's not too bad.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Yeah, I thought I would eat some of that. Hey,
I want to get your take, each of you on
Eden Park will do it after the break.

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Speaker 4 (58:20):
Chat with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Ali Jones, Ali,
what do you reckon? Should Eden Park have twelve concerts?

Speaker 25 (58:25):
I think you have to ask the residents, you know,
I know that. Yeah, well, look I know that there
was a there was a survey done in February and
I think there were fifteen hundred residents who were surveyed
and they said ninety percent of them said that they
would support it, support this, you know, these additional performances
or events. There are fourteen and a half thousand people

(58:47):
who live in Mount Eden, so there's got to be
a far better survey and numbers taken than that. But
you've got to ask the people who live there. That
is a residential area, if the traffic and the roads
can take it, if the residents are happy with it,
if the noise is watched and enforced and controlled as
much as it can be. I haven't got a problem
with it, but I don't live there. Ask the people

(59:08):
who live.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
There, okay, So if the people who live there says O,
say it's okay, it's a slam dunk.

Speaker 16 (59:13):
Yes, oh absolutely, and yeah and look in Alie, I
know what you mean.

Speaker 11 (59:18):
You've got to consult.

Speaker 16 (59:19):
But Eden Park was there before most of them.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Moved to that area.

Speaker 16 (59:23):
It's a bit like we had this in Wellington where
people moved downtown and complained about you know, Courty Place.

Speaker 15 (59:28):
And or the noise coming from it.

Speaker 16 (59:30):
And look, it is a slam don't you look at
the economic benefits? And there they keep pointing out that
think concert what ninety eight percent of hotels were full
for that concert and you know, Taylor Swift comes and
it makes sense that they you know, their plan is
that it's not going to be all those different events.
It's going to enable the big arses to come and

(59:50):
say you two or three concerts, so you don't have
all that set up and then we're resetting up and
everything like that. It minimizes it. So yeah, look, I
think they should canvas the locals. But ah man, it's
debate over that that Edon Park and that exactly this
issue has gone on for years and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Will never already resultd Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
But isn't that degree though, Mark?

Speaker 25 (01:00:10):
You know, I I know we have the same issues
with wood for Glenn Art here with people living around
a motorway, around a place with cars.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
It's noisy, But isn't a degree.

Speaker 25 (01:00:18):
Eton Park is mainly or has been, a sports venue.
When you go to one concert each month, that could
be going up until eleven at night and incredibly loud
and basy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Isn't that a different kettle of fish? Especially I suppose
when you've got a toddler or a little one, you're
trying to get to sleep, right, all of a sudden
it starts to become more problematic. It's happening once a month, now.

Speaker 25 (01:00:39):
Yeah, and that's exactly right. I think it's I think
it's degrees. And look, it's a residential area. If you
want something like this because the economic benefits are so great,
build something that is more appropriate away from where the.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
House afford it. Stop it. I mean beingalistic. This is
my solution to it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:56):
All right, this is my solution idea.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
If you don't like it, sell your house, move your
double gramozoons. You're going to make the mind anyway. What
do you think, Oh, it's your home.

Speaker 25 (01:01:05):
It's your area, it's where you grew up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
Why should you have to move.

Speaker 25 (01:01:08):
Just because someone wants to make a top load of money.

Speaker 16 (01:01:11):
No, Alie, you're the one here for thousand should forteen
thousand residents sort of frustrate the hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
Are going to benefit from it.

Speaker 16 (01:01:20):
But remember we went through that. Remember that we're going
to have the big stadium down on the waterfront.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Oh, we're flying in a.

Speaker 16 (01:01:26):
Helicopter around there with the mayor at the time, and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
This is where we're going to build it.

Speaker 15 (01:01:30):
And you're excited.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
What year was that saying though?

Speaker 16 (01:01:32):
Oh, that was when laboring government there was Trevor Mallow
and they get all hot and keeping on it and
then it's just like you just to look pushed away.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
It's never going to happen. Hey, listen, I want to know, Ali,
what do you make of the UK sending that keyboard
warrior to the Slammer for fifteen months? It's massive. I
think it's fabulous.

Speaker 25 (01:01:47):
Honestly, these bloody people that sit at home and anonymously
pump out this, this awful, putrid stuff. Look, I applaud it,
and I think it should happen more and more. Can
you see people through the little cameras on their computers.
Surely there's a way to monitor this and get more
behind me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Don't You're like, oh no, you've got to listen to
the Eden Park reasons. Now you want us to spy
on people through their cameras.

Speaker 25 (01:02:13):
People warriors are just obnoxious. They've got no time for
them at all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Ergansidzo Oh.

Speaker 16 (01:02:19):
I mean, I think it's amazing how these people slip
into this. I mean you look at that woman and
she you know, she was just someone sitting at home
on the computer. She doesn't get out and do things,
you know. But I think he had got on them
because they have to do something. They had to say, Look,
we're not going to put up with this. And you
start with you know, if you're going to write that stuff,
inflammatory stuff online, you're going to be held to it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:39):
Now people.

Speaker 16 (01:02:41):
You know, some people get away with it, but I'm
with it. I think it's fantastic. So they said, we're
going to send a message. You do this kind of rubbish,
you're going to pay the price for it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:50):
Go.

Speaker 16 (01:02:51):
Oh, you're some poor misguide to you know, you know,
someone sitting at home nothing else to do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Yeah too right now, listen, it was it Bill Browder.

Speaker 16 (01:02:59):
Maybe I p PJ.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
O'roock that somebody takes that in. So was a PJ O'Rourke.

Speaker 15 (01:03:03):
Yeah, it was PJ.

Speaker 16 (01:03:04):
Rock Holidays and hell and he would head off to
the war zone and foot stuff. He's a really interesting guy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Actually, yeah, it would be after that. Hey, guys, thank
you so much, lovely to chat to the pair of you.
Elie Jones, Mark sains Brow huddle coming up seven away
from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
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on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen drive with
one New Zealand one Giant leap for business news talk
as that'd.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
Be five away from six. The thing that says I
was mentioning there about getting old when you turn sixty
is because there has been a study, and I feel
like it's come from Stanford University. I stand to be
corrected on that, and it's what it's shown is that
people generally age in two bursts. You age at forty four,
like noticeably, you suddenly get old, I know how miserable,

(01:03:53):
and then it's sixty, all of a sudden you have
like a spurt of aging as well. Now, they had
thought that this just women at forty four going into
menopause or perimenopause, which is a bit before you go
into menopause, But that's not at all what's happening, because
it's happening to blokes as well, so there's something completely different.
It's not just the lady hormones kicking in. There's something
happening to people at forty four years old, and then

(01:04:14):
also at sixty years old as well. They thought that
it was happening much later, like you got old at
seventy five, but actually you're getting old at sixty. They
don't seem to have an explanation for why all of
a sudden at these ages. But what they've noticed is
that our molecules sort of progressively get older, I suppose
you could say, and then all of a sudden, there's
like a massive surge of getting older at forty four,

(01:04:35):
and a massive surge of getting older at sixty. And
at forty four it's largely cardiovascular staff the ability to
metabolize caffeine and alcohol and lipid. So you know, if
you're suddenly at forty four, like, oh my hangover is
so much worse, Yeah, that's your body has changed. And
then at about sixty it's your immune regulation, you carbohydrate
met metabolism, and your kidney function. And at sixty you've

(01:04:56):
got a sudden uptick in cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer's and
stuff like that. Anyway, this is scary to me because
Brad Pitt's sixty, so we're about to lose his looks.
I mean, he is about tet No. Seriously, though, it's
scary to me because I'm not that far away from
forty four, frankly, and I bumped into an old workmate
of mine from like I haven't seen him in twenty

(01:05:18):
two years. The other day and he was like, Wow,
you look exactly the same. You haven't changed. And I
was secretly so toffed. I was so stoked about that.
But he's gonna see me in five years and then
he's gonna be like, oh girl, what happened to you?
And all it will be is nothing. I just turned
forty four, that's all it's gonna be.

Speaker 20 (01:05:36):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
Though I'm a business near Eden Park. The events are great,
it's the council overreaching with the signs that we don't like.
Signs up for Saturday's game already. Oh my gosh, preach
if you ever try to catch a cab out of
Eden Park. Literally I have gone around the stadium multiple
times in the cab with them, just trying to find
a way out. But there are just like random road

(01:05:56):
workers standing there with signs gain you can't come out here. Now,
you can't come out here, And there's no logic to
it whatsoever. The traffic management is a massive problem. And
getting signs up for Saturday's game, what is it Thursday?
She'd been doing that on Saturday afternoon. She's not that
hard to put signs up anyway. Let's check in with them.
My immigration Minister's speech.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Next, you've been track of where the money is flowing
with the business hour, we'd hand the duplicy Allen and
my hr on news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
At me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
Even in coming up in the next hour, do you
remember Facebook's metaverse? Whatever happened to that? Sam Dicki's going
to run us through that when he's with us in
about half an hour's time. Liam dan on what's happening
to food and petrol prices? Jamie McKay and end of
Brady before the end of the hour. Right now, it's
eight past six now the Immigration Minister Erica Stanford has
just finished giving a speech in Auckland. She's announced a
new visa for seasonal workers to deal with upcoming worker shortages.

(01:06:53):
They have to be paid at least twenty nine dollars
sixty six, cannot work for more than nine months. And
don't get this confused with the extent and fruit pick
of visas that's already been announced. This is something else.
She's also laid out her vision of a smart immigration system,
trying to balance the need for workers with more sustainable migration.
Now Alan McDonald from the EMA was listening to the speech. Hi,
Allen Hey hell, there were suspicions that she was going

(01:07:16):
to crack down on migrants in this speech.

Speaker 11 (01:07:18):
Has she No, she hasn't, And I think the way
she outlined things will be pretty much good news for
the business sector and our members certainly will welcome some
of the initiatives that she talked about today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
So she has though, encouraged New Zealanders to start training
up New Zealanders to work to work in their businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
Yes, she has in a group of labor ministers that
includes Louise Upston and also Brook van Velden and their
challenge and it's come from the Prime Minister too, is
that Look, while you've had access to immigrants and skilled labor,
we really want you to train up more kiwis and

(01:07:58):
get some of those people off the job seeking and
the non employment and training services, those eighteen to twenty
four year olds. And I think it's a justifiable challenge.
But we still need some support to help train those
people up. And she outlined a pathway to do that too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
What is the pathway?

Speaker 11 (01:08:13):
So when they've done the work on the Credited Employer
Work Visa Scheme the AAWZ and that should be wrapped
up by the end of this year, they're going to
look at the skilled migrant pathways to permanent residents because
at the moment that's heavily weighted towards the professions and
university degrees, and they're going to look at putting more
weighting on the trades and the skills that are trained

(01:08:35):
in those trades so that we can bring in more
of those people to train up our own people and
get them through into that skilled tradeing category.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
It's a very different approach to how labor approached this, right,
it's a lot more hold the hands of the employer
rather than crack down. I imagine that this is welcome.

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
Yeah, it will be because our members are telling us,
and it's across many sectors too, that they just simply
don't have the skilled people that they need to train
up more apprentices and those sorts of things. In fact,
we heard from Rodney Wayne today about the shortage of hairdresses,
which many people really suffered through COVID with that, so,
you know, it's a much more nuanced approach, and that
will be the same with the accredited work visa when

(01:09:15):
they work through that. It's to give it more direction
and more focus rather than a broad brush approach. So
I think it's a recognition we are short in some areas,
but we do need to put more for employers into
that training and working with MSD we're getting from outstanding
results at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
Just on the new visa for the seasonal workers is helpful.

Speaker 11 (01:09:35):
Yes, I think it will be because it goes wider
than just the heart sector and the viticulture sector. So
for one of the examples was the steafields bringing in
st ste instructors and maybe even the people to support
the stea fields in the cafes and things like that.
I think it could apply to the meat industry, which

(01:09:55):
is highly seasonal of course, and maybe even if you
look at the start of the construction season, over work
season coincides with the better weather, so we're short in construction.
Maybe that's an option there for them as well. So
some good things from there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Alan, Before I let you go, just want to quick
take on what do you make of the changes to
the Companies Act. You like what you're seeing?

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
Yeah, we do like what we're saying. That that particular
provision around having the director's home addresses available that wasn't
great and so there's something they can do around those
Phoenix companies, which I know is a real bug ber
for people losing money in the construction sector. You know,
they liquidate one day and they research somewhere else doing
another development under a similar name. That that sort of
behavior is something that they can address.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
That.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
That's good, Yeah, good stuff. Hey, Alan, thank you so
much appreciated, Alan McDonald or the airmate the changes. This
is Andrew Bailey, the Minister for Commerce and Consumer Affairs,
who's been looking into some changes in the Companies Act.
As Alan was just saying. It would take the identifying
details of the shareholders and the directors perhaps off the
register which is public. Also changes around major transactions. It would,

(01:10:55):
you know, would be things like only the capital structure
of a company, or rather thing related solely to the
capital structure of a company like the shares issues in
the buybacks and the dividends and redemptions would not be
considered major transactions. Update aspects of the law so things
can be done online, more things, rather than manually expanding
how the New Zealand business number is used and then
introducing new changes to insolvency law and stuff like that. Heather,

(01:11:17):
you're so right about the aging thing. I'm seventy seven,
I look like Keith Richard's mother, so many things to
look forward to. Dylan has nailed why you start looking
because this is the thing that I was like, why
why why?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Why? Why?

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Tell me why this thing is happening. So if I
need to cut out the alcohol or cut out the
alcohol so I don't have to look like Keith Richard's
mother by the time I'm sixty, they didn't answer that question,
but Dylan's answered the question on email. For me, it's
because we have children. So you have your children in
your thirties and they wear you down and buy forty four.
You crack and that's where you start finding the gray hair.

(01:11:50):
And that is actually accurate. And do do start to
find it? Don't you? Is there a cheat? To Liam
Dan next about what's going on with the food prices
and the fuel prices and so on. It's thirteen plus six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic
Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
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(01:12:55):
to pronounce, so simply look for the bright yellow pack
in store. You can't miss it. Always read the label
and follow directions for use. Heather do for see Allen
Right sixteen past six now, food prices were up just
a little bit, but petrol prices were down. In the
twelve months to July. The increase in food prices largely
driven by higher prices for restaurant meals and ready to
eat food, but vegi and fruit were down eight point

(01:13:17):
five percent. And you can't complain about that. Liam dan Is,
The Herald's Business editor at large, Alam.

Speaker 12 (01:13:22):
Get a head.

Speaker 22 (01:13:23):
Yeah, is it the good news?

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
A bit of good news. We've had two days of
good news, Liam, This and this is Adrian and all
and we're going to be partying in a minute. Is
he Is he at all interested in this?

Speaker 11 (01:13:35):
Yeah, that'll be.

Speaker 22 (01:13:36):
They'll be, I guess pleased with that. I mean, it
would have been a bit of a disaster if they'd been.
And it's to me it's still a you know, I've
been quite cautious. I think it's still a little bit
of hand and now, you know what if you were
nerve wracking period, you know, you don't want inflation bouncing
back up when you're not officially under under three. But

(01:13:56):
they seem very confident that they are. You know, you
could see the stuff in that data to day. It's
the selected price index stuff you know, at the front end,
rents are starting to flatline even come down. So there's
two measures there for rents, and the one where they
count the new tendency agreements is starting to show a
trend downwards. People weren't you know a lot of people

(01:14:18):
weren't feeling that yet. But yeah, promising signs, I think,
you know, And and economists have generally interpreted it. That
and the electronic card transactions, which is another way of
saying retail spending these days. Thing is no one's using cash.
But you know that that that was off of it too.
So you know, we are probably just about ready to

(01:14:38):
celebrate winning the war on inflation. You know, we'll celebrating
in another recession.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
Yeah, there's always that. I forget that. You're an economist,
so you need to well, you love your economics a
big last half empty the whole time.

Speaker 22 (01:14:51):
But it is interesting. It does mean that we're kind
of you know, whatever, you whoever you look at the
pandemic cycle, it's kind of coming to an end. So
you know, whether it's you know, you look at the
blame the pandemic itself, you blame some of the management
or whatever through that period. Here we are just about
back to something, you know, get out of recession in

(01:15:12):
another three months and we might be able to say, well,
things are normal, and we might have to say that
for a very short time until, of course, something else
will come along.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Do you stop it, Liam, stop a whistle and celebration mode. Listen.
On the petrol being down, is that basically because of
the Auckland field tax coming off?

Speaker 22 (01:15:26):
Yeah, I mean petrol actually rose when you looked around
the regions, it was up everywhere except Aukland, where it
was down at tiny bit. So we didn't see a
ten percent drop at Auckland, but I guess that's the
way the oil markets went over that period. So yeah,
eating up pretty quickly by global prices. But yeah, I
was looking a bit down. That was probably to do

(01:15:47):
with that tax coming off.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Yeah, Liam, thank you very much, Thank you for your time.
Appreciate its Liam Down, the Herald's Business editor at large.
Speaking of Adrian or just there, he struggles a I mean,
I suppose we all do to some extent, but he really,
really really struggles to admit he got anything wrong. He
was at the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee this morning
and it was the chair Stewart.

Speaker 10 (01:16:06):
Smith, your forecasts have been described as I think one
hundred and eighty complete one hundred and eighty degree turn
on the May forecast.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Who got under Adrian or skin today?

Speaker 26 (01:16:18):
I can't give their time to that comment. A U
turn would have you might, well, it's just wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
That's why, so bother.

Speaker 26 (01:16:31):
There's no U turn.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Yeah, well that wasn't going to put Stewart off Stuart.
Stewart was Stewart out a point to make. So he
said to Adrian or basically that inflation was as bad
as it was because Adrian made it worse himself. And
Stuart's bang on. And the point that he made is
because Adrian kept on the funding for lending program for
too long?

Speaker 14 (01:16:50):
Will you apologize to New Zealanders for that?

Speaker 26 (01:16:54):
I don't understand your logic, sorry, So, yeah, we loose
some monetary policy. And it went on, the underlying hypothesis
put on the table here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
Is incorrect, and it went on.

Speaker 26 (01:17:11):
That's where I didn't understand your logic because they aren't
running in opposite directions.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
I love I love that. Have you noticed there's a
tactic for somebody as smart as Adrian. Right, he does understand,
but he just goes don't really get it, and he
just plays dumb, and then he doesn't have to answer
the question. Now that we're onto it could have used
that to our advantage if we become toe to toe
with him. Six twenty one The.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Rural Report on hither due to see Allan drive Heather.

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
A good question for someone who says they don't understand
is what would it be if you did understand? That's
a parent talking right there. I don't think do you
think Adrian's going to respond? It might actually respond quite
well to that, actually, to a bit of parental discipline.
Six twenty four Jamie MacKaye, Host of the Countries with US. Now, Hey, Jamie,
can I hear that Federated Farmers happy with the scope
of that banking inquiry?

Speaker 12 (01:17:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:17:56):
I think they're quite shuffed. I've been pushing hard for
this one. They please the governments and now announced a
wide ranging inquiry that will leave Heather the banks with
nowhere to hide, so says Richard McIntyre, the banking spokesperson
who's been leading the charge on this. Look, they've been calling,
They've been asking questions, serious questions about the levels of competition,

(01:18:18):
profitability and transparency in rural lending for a long time now,
and they want to shine the light on parts of
the rural banking system that up until now have been
allowed to operate in the shadows. Richard's words, not mine
there again, I think one of the key areas they
want to have a closer look at here. That is
the impact, Yes, that the Reserve Bank, that villain Adrian

(01:18:39):
Or and his capital requirements are around lending to farmers.
Because you talk to the banks and they'll say, look,
we're being hamstrung by the Reserve Bank. We have to
hold more money against rural lending. That's why it's more
expensive than say, residential lending. So look at that submissions

(01:19:00):
close in late September. Federated farmers are leading the charge
on this one. And I've been saying this for ages
that look, I'm not sure that the risk margin over
and above residential is worth is fair, and I would
say that the banks are subsidizing the very competitive residential market.
Heather by business and farming.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Interesting. Hey, so you had labors Joe Luxton on the
show today. Let's ever listened to what she said.

Speaker 7 (01:19:27):
Joe, I've got to stop you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
That's very wishy washy.

Speaker 10 (01:19:29):
Can I put it to you that you might have
nine or twelve years to make up some agricultural policy
the way you're going.

Speaker 22 (01:19:35):
Ah No, definitely not Crystal justice to disagree with you
on that one, Jamie, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
You know, the way this current.

Speaker 22 (01:19:43):
Government's going, I wouldn't be surprised to see ended up
being a one term government.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
I mean, obviously she would wish that that was the case.
What do you make of her as the agricultural spokesperson?

Speaker 10 (01:19:52):
Ah, Look, she has a consensus politician, unlike Damien who
loved to scrap Damien O'Connor. Of course, Look, the question
came about because I was reading a profile on her
in one of the farming papers, and she came out
and said, we don't have policy in the agricultural space
at the moment, and we've got time to develop the

(01:20:12):
policy over the next twelve months. And of course I said,
you might have nine or twelve years to do that,
and she says, nah, Look, the dis goovernment might be
a one term government. She's saying her focus is around
building relationship and listening to farmers and finding out what
they might want from us when we're next in government. Well,
I'll tell you what the farmers want for the next government.

(01:20:33):
They don't want labor to be in it, let alone
the Greenshawe Tapathy mari.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Yep I hear yeah, hey, Jamie, thank you very much,
really appreciate you time.

Speaker 10 (01:20:40):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
This Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. Here the steward
is bang on Adrian fire hose the economy in our
banks with cheap money, and now he's trying to cancel
anyone who questions him. He's the worst Reserve Bank governor
and it needs to go as that's not as crazy
and way out there as it sounds. I was reading
Michael Riddell's piece that he put on his this morning
on Croaking Cassandra. He is the former Reserve Bank economist,

(01:21:04):
so he knows what he's talking about. It he's been
employed by the place and he said it was deeply,
deeply disappointing that Adrian Or was reappointed as the Reserve
Bank governor. So there you go. Listen. I'll tell you
what actually I want to get to the rent controls.
Rent controls has popped up in the UK again. Terrible idea.
Talk to you about that shortly. Here's the third tip
from from the Quantus pilot who I was talking about

(01:21:28):
before sanitation wipes. You need to here, reckons, get on
a plane with like those little wet wipes, but not
like the not just the sort of like the non
bacterial ones, you know what I mean, Like have some
sanitation wipes, he says, because planes don't get cleaned as
much as you think between flights. The number of germs
on aeroplanes is disgusting. You should wipe your trade table

(01:21:48):
before you eat off it and sanitize your hands regularly
during the journey so you don't get sick. So you
go dress up, sanitize. What was the other one, Oh,
noise canceling headphones. There you go, Sam Dicky Nex.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Whether it's macro MicroB or just plane economics. It's all
on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for SME used talks it bxactly.

Speaker 4 (01:22:27):
Whether I checked and I'm having dog walks sanity time.
I agree that the airplane seats are gross. I think
you sweaty seats. How often have they cleaned? And I
work with kids. When you work with kids, you start
really obsessing over this kind of stuff. A and then
you just notice how infrequently things are clean. We're going
to go to Endo Brady are UK corresponding about ten

(01:22:48):
minutes time. So this is what I wanted to talk
to you about. With the rent controls. My worry about
ideas like rent controls is that it's obviously a bad idea.
But despite being a bad idea, and despite being proven
time and disproven time and time again as an idea
like something you should definitely avoid, somehow these things catch on,
and this is catching on overseas in a big way.

(01:23:09):
The Mayor of London, Sadik Khan, is now apparently plotting
to impose rent controls in London. He's apparently going to
go to the government over there and ask him for
the power, ask them for the power to allow him
to do it. And apparently, given that they are labors
so slightly to the left of things, they are open
to doing this sounds nice, I mean, who doesn't want
stable rents? But it always backfires and the most recent

(01:23:32):
example of this was Nicholas Sturgeon over in Scotland in
twenty twenty two. She imposed them and instead of keeping
rents low, which is the point of a rent control
rents actually were pushed up massively. They surged by eleven
percent and that was the largest increase of any UK nation.
So how did that happen? How is it that the
one place where the rent control is the place that

(01:23:52):
sees the biggest increase in rents Because what happened is
landlords every time their rent their tenant changed, pushed up
the the rent in a big way because they knew
that once the tenant was in they'd have to keep
that rent at a set level for as long as
the tenant was there. So between tenants they just were
incentivized to go hard and of course didn't solve the
fundamental problem, which is a lack of lack of places

(01:24:14):
to rent. So the tenants had no option but to
pay through the nose this extortionate amount now an exorbitant
amountain and as a result they took the place. Bad
ideas right, and yet bad ideas catch on because they're
going to try it in London. By the sounds of things,
twenty two away from.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
Seven, Heather Dupice Ellen, they cast.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Your mind back a few years and everybody was talking
about the metaverse right. The market thought it would be
the next big thing the next big computer platform. After
we transitioned to mobile computing fifteen years ago or so,
what happened to the metaverse? Sam Dicky from Fisher Funds
has been looking into this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Hey Sam, good at evening here, Sam, remind me.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
Why anybody thought this was going to be the next
big thing.

Speaker 27 (01:24:51):
Yes, well that the most evangelical believers back in twenty
twenty one thought it could be the new Internet. So
instead of interacting via text and video, we would interacting
virtuality and cruise around his kind of lanky avatars. And
if your children irritating me play Fortnite or roeblocks, well
they are really just dumbed down versions of the metaverse.

(01:25:12):
And you might remember another virtual world we talked about
about back then here the Sandbox, which specializes in virtual
real estate, and a virtual neighbor of Snoop Dog brought
a plot of land back then for a million bucks,
and that early height was a bit like the NFT
market smoke and mirrors, And the price of this online
real estate has kind of collapsed by oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
And so what he can't do anything is that that's
real money he's lost.

Speaker 27 (01:25:40):
Yes, absolutely, it's real money. On a on a virtual
plot of land.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Okay, whoa, this was expected to be massive, right, so
who put money into this stuff?

Speaker 27 (01:25:53):
It was expected to be massive and some massive unders
thrown around, So I think moregerstanding to report at the
time saying it could be an eight trillion dollar market.
Was the next generation kind of social media stream and
a gaming platform and virtual reality and Facebook, remember changed
its name. So when so far as to change its
name to Meta show how serious it was about chasing
the next Internet. It wasn't just Meta. Apple invested heavily

(01:26:15):
in virtual reality hardware like it's goggles, and the gaming
company is like ten cents in China, and Microsoft invested
heavily as well.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
What's the reality, you know, compared to what they were expecting.
What are we dealing with today?

Speaker 8 (01:26:29):
Not much?

Speaker 27 (01:26:30):
Not much. I mean I talked about those virtual real
estate prices. But but Mesa really is the poster child here.
So they've been eighty billion dollars on the metaverse to
date and they've got less than ten million dollars of
revenue to show for that. But they are even kind
of stepping away from that the goggles of the online world,
and they're really just focusing their attention now outside of AI,

(01:26:51):
of course, which we're not speaking about tonight on its
joint venture with ray Band, where instead of kind of
picking up your phone one hundred and thirty seven times
per day, you can cruise around with a cool pier
of RABA and glasses on with the heads up virtual
reality display.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
H ohkah. That sounds cool. What happens from here, though? Sam?
Is it possible that this idea just was before it's
time and it might catch on in the future sometime?

Speaker 27 (01:27:13):
Yeah, they're all. Don't we overestimate technology in the short
term and underestimate the long term?

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Could be?

Speaker 27 (01:27:19):
Could be? I think, but even the most evangelical Zuckerberg
is kind of stepping away from it for now. I
do think he's online virtual worlds alserthing the market is
selling us, how unlikely to be anything more than niche
use that has perhaps for gaming, and perhaps remember we
talked about the time head Perhaps if you had a
friend and partisan both you could team up virtually and

(01:27:41):
attended constant at high park. Sounds pretty cool, but I
can't guess we'll sit around at work with goggles on
and working virtually.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
No, when you want the real life experience, don't you.
I mean, is the lesson in this for investors to
perhaps be a little bit wary of tech nerds getting
extremely excited about things.

Speaker 27 (01:28:00):
I forgets it is the metaverse is not in portant
per se, but it is a great lean through which
to view that the kind of aggressive spending we're seeing
right now. So remember the scale we talked about a
month ago, Microsoft, Need Amazon, Google, Just for companies, It's
been one hundred and forty billion on capital expension last
year and US spent two thirty billion next year, so

(01:28:20):
extraordinary rise, so meta and all alone. So despite the
incredible success of these companies, they're backed tons of losers.
So think of the windows phoned by Microsoft, or a
firephone by Amazon, or the Google Glass which was a
wearable computer. So the point of all of this is
the biggest rescue of these big tech companies outside of
the government trying to split them up. Alligigate them is

(01:28:42):
being out innovated, so being beaten at their own game,
and they do this or they get ahead of this
by throwing cons of money anything with an innovation polse,
and that kind of healthy paranoia is just kind of
it coster doing business for these big companies.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
Yeah, fascinating. Hey, Sam, that was absolutely fascinating. I really
appreciate it. You're talking Sam Dickie a Fisher Funds.

Speaker 22 (01:29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Be careful with the tech Nerdsay, be careful with the
tech nerds. Now on Avon, this is this is quite
an like talk about switch from tech to actual reality.
Dan Mitchinson, ow US correspondent, mentioned yesterday that Avon has
declared bankruptcy. It's quite an interesting story of how big
Avon was and how it got to the point where
it's declared bankruptcy. So Avon dates all the way back

(01:29:26):
to eighteen eighty six, right. It was launched all the
way back then by a chap called David H. McConnell,
and what he realized was that there was this captive
market of women who were sitting at home basically waiting
for their husbands to come back. And they would probably
love the product. Right they're there, they're consumers. They would
probably like a little bit of makeup, a bit of
skincare or whatever. But also, and more importantly, they are bored,

(01:29:49):
so they would like a little bit of company. They
would like the fact that somebody turns up at their door.
And even if they're just a salesperson. It's somebody to
talk to. So this is why the idea took off.
And then it's appeal was all so that it made
products that every woman could use. A new universality was
the thing that really made it work. Then the next
big thing that happened for them, which was great, was
that there was a like a housewife's Bible. I suppose

(01:30:12):
you'd call it back that in nineteen thirty one called
Good Housekeeping had been around for ages by then, but
in thirty one Good Housekeeping gave it seal of approval
to a bunch of Avon products, was eleven of them
in total, and that was a record for how many
products by one firm had been given the seal of
approval by Good Housekeeping, and so off it took even more.
At the height of its success, Avon was massive. It

(01:30:34):
was selling four lipsticks every single second, and its success
lasted for a really long time. I mean it was
only a decade ago that it was one of the
top three beauty brands in big places like the UK.
But then the problems started. Women obviously aren't waiting around
at home anymore for their husbands to come home. They
can buy any product that they want, any time they want,

(01:30:54):
just by clicking a few buttons on their smartphone, so
that the kind of unique selling point that one of
the unique selling points of a disappeared, and all of
a sudden, the consumer's preference has changed as well. Women
wanted products that were unique to them, their own skin tone,
their own skin type, and so the universality of Avon
wasn't that grade anymore. And then the younger, newer brands
started being better at social media. They were dropping new

(01:31:14):
products all the time, they were creating buzz, and Avon
just couldn't do that. They just didn't know how to
generate buzz. They couldn't do stuff like that. They also,
and this is an indication of how badly they were
reading what was going on in retail, they announced last
year that they were going to open their first bricks
and mortar store, first ever in all of the history
of the company. They decide just when High Street is dying,

(01:31:35):
that they need a shop on High Street. And then,
of course the tal conpowder thing happened. They were famous
for the tal conpowder and now they're being accused of
selling a product that causes cancer. It's the subject of lawsuits.
They say it doesn't cause cancer at all, but they
don't have enough money to pay off the money that
they owe in this particular lawsuits like two billion dollars
in counting, and so as a result it's filed for bankruptcy.

(01:31:55):
And that is the story of how Avon went from
a tiny little idea to mess of global success to
bankruptcy Quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
They'd be in the Brady is our UK correspondent this evening.

Speaker 12 (01:32:16):
Hey Inda, Hey Heather, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
What's that week? Girl who was stabbed going, Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:32:22):
My god, where do we even begin with this? How
terrible that a little eleven year old came here on
holidays from Australia with her mother and ended up the
victim of a random stabbing attack in Leicester Square. She's
still in hospital, injuries not life threatening, but she was
stabbed eight times. So there is a man in custody.
He has been charged with attempted murder and possession of

(01:32:43):
a bladed implement i e. The knife he used allegedly.
So what we know is that Leicester Square was very,
very busy the other day, one of the big tourist
attractions in London's West End. It was very hot and sunny.
Police are saying this was a completely random attack. The
attacker allegedly put the eleven year old girl in a
headlock and stabbed her and she will now need plastic surgery.

(01:33:07):
So I think people are just beyond shocked and appalled
that a child would travel on holidays all the way
from Australia and have that happened to them on the
streets of our capital city.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
And still any indication.

Speaker 12 (01:33:21):
Of motive and whatsoever. Look, I guess when the court
case happens in due course, there will be a judicial process,
there will be a trial. I think a lot more
information about the incident, the attack will happen then, But
for now it's just sharpened everyone's focus on knife crime.
I mean, it is just off the scale here and

(01:33:43):
it's very very worrying.

Speaker 4 (01:33:44):
Yeah, that's a very good point actually about the knife crime. Hey, listen, Inda,
I see that the tickets for Taylor Swift concert have
dropped in price as a result of these security concerns.

Speaker 12 (01:33:53):
Yes, so she's back in the UK now. She's going
to play another five gigs in London starting tonight, and
you're right, ticket prices have come down so previously these
were more expensive than golda slip. To be honest. I
was in Dublin passing through on my way home to
Wexford the other week and I was meeting Americans in
Dublin Airport who were on their way to watch her

(01:34:15):
in Dublin because they couldn't afford the prices in the
United States and they thought they'd make a trip and
get cheaper tickets in Europe look so so sought after. However,
the prices have dropped in the aftermath of the Vienna
foil terror attack. There are tickets available for tonight if
you're willing to pay twelve hundred n Z dollars. I mean,

(01:34:36):
it is stunking what these tickets are still going for,
but they are available and one little security warning from
the authorities at Wembley tonight they say they will not
be tolerating something called taygating. This is where mostly teenage
girls and young women congregates who don't have tickets. They
had it happen in Munich, believe it or not. The

(01:34:57):
other week in Germany, forty thousand young women turned up
on the hillside and had a party. So Wembley saying
this will not be tolerated. There will be outer security
zones and if you haven't got a ticket, you are
not getting anywhere near the stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
Interesting, Hey, how did they figure out India that the
big alter stone at Stonehenge came from Scotland? How they
figure this out?

Speaker 12 (01:35:16):
This is amazing. So what they did They got scientists
and they got a laser. They haven't in any way
damaged the rock, but they've beamed a laser into it.
They've seen its composition. And we'd always been told previously
that the Stonehenge stones, all of them came from Wales,
most of them did. However, the altar stone they call
in the middle. They now have worked out that there

(01:35:38):
is only one other place in the British and Irish
Isles where this rock exists, northeastern Scotland, possibly the Orkney Islands.
And now, so that's six hundred kilometers from Salisbury Plain,
which is where in Wiltshire stonehengees six hundred kilometers This
was moved four and a half thousand year years ago.

(01:36:00):
They reckon it was moved by sea. It weighs six tons.
My god, it's stonehengered. The mystery of it just fascinating.
Where these people why, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
How would you even put a six ton stone on
a boat.

Speaker 12 (01:36:16):
They've managed this. Look, there were no roads, there was
no rail network, there was nothing, and most of Britain
back then was forested and they've managed to get that
from the absolute northeastern tip of Scotland six hundred kilometers.
And what intrigues me as well is even if they
did do it by sea. I was looking at a
map the other day and I thought, well, hang on,

(01:36:36):
they must have somehow sailed all the way around Scotland,
all the way down the Irish Sea, come in at Bristol,
and then it would still have to be carted maybe
one hundred and twenty k across land from the nearest seaport.
It's extraordinary, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
People have actually been quite amazing for a very long
time in the Thank you for that fascinating stuff into
Brady UK correspondence, even away from seven, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
It's micro micro or just playing economics, it's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and my HR,
the HR platform for sme US.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Talks b Heather If maybe if KWI Rail had started
at the same time as Stonehenge, we would have had
a network by now. Maybe what do you think would
happen if they loaded that six ton stone on one
of the ferries with sink? I mean it probably actually
we wouldn't even we wouldn't even sail because we're just
crashed straight into something before we even got started. But
I think, I think, I mean, it's a sad day

(01:37:29):
when the people who build Stonehinge can do a better
job than kee We Rail. Now, Lis, I'm meant to
tell you about this adaptation thing, right, So apparently we're
not doing very good with climate change adaptation. I realize
it's quite heavy just before seven o'clock. But there are
two ways that you can deal with the climate, right.
You can either go for the mitigation strategy or the
adaptation strategy. The mitigation strategy is basically or you try
to cut your emissions, try to stop the climate getting

(01:37:52):
so hot. The adaptation strategy, which is basically one I
think we need to do, is where you go, it's
going to happen anyway, nothing we can do about it.
We're only zero point one seven percent of global emissions.
Just adapt and basically how you adapt as you go
esc valley, watch out, it's gonna happen to you again.
We'll build you some stop banks, okay. And hey Auckland,
West Auckland, we're just gonna move your houses because that's
gonna flood again. We don't want you there. And Tarmaki Drive,

(01:38:14):
We're just gonna build some stop banks. Maybe lift you up,
you know what I mean? Like you just go, Okay,
it's gonna happen. So let's adapt anyway. The Climate Change
Commissions had to look at it, and we're not doing
very well on the adaptation. They reckon it's already costing
us heat like cyclone Gabrielle Auckland Anniversary weekend floods already
cost us nearly fifteen billion dollars. What they want us
to do is decide, and this I think has got

(01:38:35):
seven recommendations, but this is the most important one. Decide
who is going to pay for it? Who pays what?
How much do they pay? What proportion is it the
private home owner? Is it the government? Is it local government?
Who pays for it? I think that's the key question.
Nailed right there. What have you got friends? Oh Andy's
in today? Not ants?

Speaker 23 (01:38:54):
And what have I got for you tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Well?

Speaker 28 (01:38:58):
Remember the artists back in twenty fourteen that reached number
eight on the New Zealand Music Top forty album charts.
Do you know who this is?

Speaker 16 (01:39:09):
No idea?

Speaker 28 (01:39:11):
His name is Kim Schultz, Kim dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Remember it just crimes against music? I mean that subject
that actually was that.

Speaker 28 (01:39:21):
There was a MW Zealand Herald review on this because
it's called good Times this album. Chris Schultz called it
a musical miss and rate it at one star. I
think here's easy. Anyway, We're going out with some Chim
dot com tonight. Roundhead Studios recorded that as well. Probably
not their best move.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
But now was that Neil Finn's place?

Speaker 28 (01:39:36):
Yeah, got a bit desperate.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
Well, we've all made mistakes, haven't we see you tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
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