Full Show Podcast: 26 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's hither Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected new Stalk.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Said b.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Uber has
lost the contractor's case again, this time in the Court
of Appeal. They're going to go to the Supreme Court.
We're going to talk to the business to New Zealand
guys about what's what this means for other contractors nationwide.
The New Zealand golf community on Lydia Coe's miracle run
and Cabinet has just announced a package to sort out
the electricity sector. We'll talk to the Energy Minister, Simeon.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Brown, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
We'll get again the world's smallest drama about Carmel Seppoloni
going off to film celebrity Treasure Island is kicking off
and this time it's about whether she should have pocketed
her pay as an MP while away from work and
while on the show. And she gets a fair amount
of money. I'm something over two hundred thousand dollars or whatever.
But regardless of the sum, here's the question. When you
take a holiday from work, do you get paid yeah,

(00:59):
most of us do. So think that settles that then
she's more than entitle to it. Really, what this is
actually not even really a debate about whether she should
keep her money. This is just another excuse for the
winges to have a winge about an MP. On the
other side, you cannot winge about Carmel Sepaloni going off
to do Celebrity Treasure Island. If you didn't winge about
David Seymore doing Dancing with the Stars, and that was fine,

(01:19):
wasn't it. I totally take it. The circumstances are different.
I mean, she's taken from what we can tell. We
don't know for sure, but it sounds like two weeks
off the job completely right. She's away from the office,
not even on the phone. Just buy gone. He took
time too, even though he was still working. That dance
schedule is pretty grueling and time consuming. Now, I've had
friends do the show and it takes a lot of

(01:42):
time out of your day and away from your day job.
So even if you're still popping your head in the
office every day, your mind is elsewhere for a lot
of the time, and so is your body. Frankly, and look,
here's the thing I actually think we need to get
used to our politicians doing this kind of cringey stuff
on TV because it's pr for them. It's media attention
that oxygen to politicians, and these shows reach an audience

(02:03):
that sometimes politicians can't reach it all. I mean, I
guarantee you there were a whole bunch of people turning
up or tuning in to Celebrity Treasure Island who've never
heard of Carmel before. So that's catnip to an MP,
and complaining about an MP wanting to go on TV
is like complaining about a kiddie eating cake. It's in
their nature they're going to want to do it. So
I think actually we should expect more of this and
probably just get used to it and maybe not winge

(02:25):
about it every time they do this, but instead joined
together in a collective cringe session about what we're about
to see on TV. Ever, do for Sea two is
the text number STATD TXT fees. Supply we'll talk to
the huddle about it later on. Now, there is quite
a bit of wet weather going on at the moment.
The Lower North Island and parts of the South Island
have been thrashed by heavy rain and flooding today and
more is yet to come. Is a major slip blocking

(02:47):
off a community of more than fifty homes in Graymouth.
Waterways and Carpety and Portado are now a big concern
because more heavy rain is expected over the next few hours.
Met Service meteorologist Lewis Ferris is with us now, Hey.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Lewis, Kyoto. Just a very busy start to this working
week on the weatherfront.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, what are you expecting in Wellington yet to come?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Well, it does look like the heaviest of the rain
is kind of on that easy trend. There are still
some shellers around. They could bring some localized heavy rain,
but it's not going to be that same sort of widespread,
intense rainfall that we saw through the early hours of
this morning around dawn, So that's kind of some good news.
But there is still further rain onto those saturated soils,
and it's not just today. As they head into tomorrow,

(03:28):
we will see some more rain. Even this week. It's
still looking very unsettled in terms of weather fronts coming
along the west coast of the South Arm then moving
on to the North Arm. So it's not the last
rain that we're going to see this week.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Lewis, what is it about the rain that fell in
Wellington that was so special? I mean, it's not as
if Wellington doesn't cope with its fair share of wet weather,
So why did this cause so much trouble?

Speaker 4 (03:50):
It was just the intensity of it. So it was
a lot of stations saw over ten millimeters of rain
in an hour. Some got up over twenty millimeters of rain,
and it was kind of that rain, those sorts of
rain rates that were around for about that three hour
time So most urban areas aren't really going to cope

(04:10):
with seeing that high intensity rainfall over a sort of
three hour time space. That's when we're going to start
seeing surface flooding. That's when we're going to start seeing
especially waterways come up very quickly. Yes, you're right, Wellington
isn't the driest place on Earth, but it is when
we're seeing these sorts of rain rates into urban areas
where we do start to see areas areas start to

(04:31):
see flooding and other areas start to be affected.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Lewis, what about the West coast, are they going to
copper break?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Not really just with us very active weather pattern coming
from the west that does look like Graymouth will probably
see more rain. And the rainfall that fell sort of
in the last twenty four hours, it wasn't a huge amount,
but over the last sort of two weeks, I've just
sort of had a steady amount of rain just piling in,
not every day, but sort of most days. So it's

(04:59):
going to be quite satura around there. It is a
post that is known for runoff to happen quite quickly.
But if they are going to see more rain this week,
which they are, it is not out of the question
that similar effects could be seen around the region.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Lewis, thanks for that, man, I really appreciate it. That's
Lewis Ferris met Service meteorologists. Now. Graymouse District Council says
road access to that community of more than fifty homes
cut off will remain cut off for the rest of
the evening for tonight. Power fortunately in the area is
back on and Graymouse Mayor Tania Gibson is with us Heitania.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
How big is the slip?

Speaker 5 (05:30):
Oh, it's a pretty big one, really, and you know
it's at the moment it's still moving, So we're just
assessing the situation because the residents and of course the contractors.
Safety really needs to come into account.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Right and if it's still moving, that means as long
as it's moving, you can't clear it.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Really a yes, well, at the moment they have started clearing,
but when they were working on it this morning, it
did come down again, which you know caused a bit
of anxiety at that stage in time. So we did
hope that we could get it open today, but with
that happening, it's just not a possibility.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Hey, I heard your house got struck by lightning? Is
that true?

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yes, Well it was a bit of a fright last night.
It wasn't a major, but yes, there was. We wondered
what it was. We thought the roof might be coming off,
and I think this was the same quick squall that
came through and then we had a bit of burning
and some plugs behind the bed that we had to
try and find where that smell was coming from. On,
no way, is that not a major?

Speaker 3 (06:22):
How did you know, Tanya that something had gone wrong?
Was it the smell of the burning or was there
like a flash or something.

Speaker 5 (06:28):
There was a flash and it was kind of to that. Well,
it did the roof in it and everything was shaking
and it was like a really violent squall that come through,
and I believe that's the same time as aren't It
typs lost power and had to slip, So it's yeah,
and then the burning smell.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Did you get a sparky round?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Yes, well, I think we're think someone around someone's taking
care of that for us today. And again I tuned
them on again this morning and there was a bit
of a burning smell, so we're just.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
Checking that out.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
But it wasn't a major But the poor people are
Aren't Tights are way more affected.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh yeah, Okay, listen these guys, the fifty homes that
are cut off, not too worried about them. Then they'll
have enough supplies and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well, yes, and I know that some of the contractors
have helped a couple of people down the hill today
that needed medication and that they are on standby and
we're all in contact with the residents. If they need
anything like medication that you know, it can be arranged
for the contractors to take that up. But for anything
that's non essential, I think they're pretty right. We're in
close contact. But yeah, they just need to kind of

(07:25):
hold it out and wait up there for a bit longer.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Good stuff, Tanya, listen, thank you appreciate it. Best of
luck with that. That's Tanya Gibson, Graymouth, mayor A. Her
house got struck by lightning. That just makes the Maureen
Pew story so much more believable, doesn't it, Because where
does moreen come from the West Coast. She's been struck
by lightning like gazillion times, and it's often been. I
think it's always been in her house actually, so maybe
it's just the thing if you live in Graymouth or
on the West Coast, just brace yourself for lightning being

(07:52):
one of your big problems. Hither. The big news on
Carmel was actually that politicians have unlimited leave. Carmel just
needed permission and that's what anno people. Ah yeah, do
you know what though, it's not really unlimited levers to a,
it's just unlimitedly for the crappy ones and the ones
who are in opposition. Do you think that Do you
think that Simon Brown's got unlimited leave at the moment.
I don't think so. I don't even know if Simon

(08:13):
Brown's got any leave at the moment. He is so busy,
So I think it's more of an indication of just
what a stinct job opposition is and how little you
need those people around. Let's be honest, Carmel is doing
more work in her electorate than she is in the
in the house at the moment to sport, I didn't
realize this, But if you've been if you've been waiting
for the ABS spring Box games, you'll have noticed by

(08:34):
now that they are a really annoying time in the
middle of the night. For us. It's about three am
on Sunday that you'll have to tune in if you
want to see the thing live. And the reason that
it's at that annoying time in this obviously stands to reason,
is because they are playing it in joe Burg in
the afternoon. But what I didn't realize is that playing
it in joe Burg in the afternoon, not the night,
because joe Burg is so dangerous at night. They want

(08:56):
to make sures sure that the fans can leave Alice
Park while it's still daylight and get home safely cool place,
a really awesome why don't you move there? Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for
business US talks'd be Sport with the new tab app
downloaded today Ri eighteen, bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Jason Pine sports talk hosters with me right now, Hey Piney.

Speaker 8 (09:24):
Hello, Heather Good?

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Is Lydia Coe? What's going on?

Speaker 8 (09:27):
Amazing?

Speaker 9 (09:27):
Amazing talk about talk about the twilight of her career
being quite spectacular. Olympic gold medal and then entry into
the LPGA's Hall of Fame, and now she's won the
Open Championship. I mean, it's hard enough to win one tournament,
let alone two massive tournaments like this back to back.
I mean, she hasn't won a major since twenty sixteen.
That shows how hard it is to win one of

(09:48):
these things. But to win the Olympic event and the
Open Championship and her numbers, my god, she shot six
bogies the whole four rounds and only two in her
final thirty six holes. That is consistency personified. She shouldn't retire,
she should carry on and keep going.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Well that it does feel like the retirement thing has
very much been put on the back burner by her raise.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (10:12):
I mean, she's she's been pretty pretty solid in her
responses to these questions that you know she is getting
towards the end. She's on the back nine, she says sometimes,
but and she does. She's on record of saying, look,
she wants to start a family and have a life
outside of golf. I mean she's been she's had a
golf club in her hand since she was four years old.
Is she now twenty seven? It's a long time to
be playing golf and doing only that. But the way

(10:35):
she's going maybe I don't know either. May be the
fact that she is about to call it a day
has taken all the weight off her shoulders and she's
just become this even more extraordinary player, incredible to watch.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Not that I think that you're an expert on the
reproductive body of the female, but I would have imagined
that golf is one of those sports that actually having
a baby is not going to muck around with too much.
What do you think I think?

Speaker 5 (10:58):
So?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I feel like if you're going to be
doing something like, I don't know, weightlifting, that you could
just wear yourself halfway through, Like that's a problematic after
having a baby, yes, But you know, like the golf,
I think that's Okay.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
Well, I mean, who knows. Look, the time is on
her side.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
What I'm saying is I back her to come back
from a baby. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (11:17):
I know exactly what you mean.

Speaker 9 (11:18):
And what a way for a family to see the
world traveling around, you know, watching mum play golf and
this looked like she's twenty seven years old.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
It's so young, so young.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
That's a very good point. What happened to Hamishkur though.

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Yeah, that was funny, wasn't it.

Speaker 9 (11:34):
He couldn't quite repeat what he did in Paris ninth
in the high jump at the latest Diamond League meet
in Poland. But a bloke who did repeat and in
fact went better than what he did, was Amen duplantis
this incredible pole vaulter who has cleared now six meters
twenty six that's another centimeter onto his world record.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
You know. Now he has the ten highest pole vaults
in history, they're all him.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
He's got the ten highest absolute freak and the three
thousand meter record was broken to by about three seconds
by jakub Ingerbrits. And so yeah, so clearly the Olympics,
you know, come gone, and these guys just carry on.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, thank you very much. Piney really appreciated Jason pine
sports stalkcosts. He'll be back seven o'clock. Did you see
how did you notice how Piney was not going to
fall into a trap of being a dude talking about
what the lady's body can do. And I appreciate, I
appreciate that he has to be extra careful around that. Listen,
there are an unknown number of gunmen on the run

(12:34):
in Sydney, which is quite an alarming thing to have
to say out loud. They don't know how many gunmen,
but they know it's more than one. What happened this
morning about three thirty Sydney time was an underworled figure
known as the Angel of Death was shot dead and
whoever is behind it then took off. It sounds like
possibly may have shot this chap dead in his bedroom
or something like that, or in his home or something.

(12:56):
Then they took off and that, as far as we know,
are still on the run. Ollipters and will update us.
He'll be with us within the next half hour. It's
full twenty two.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan
Drive with one new Zealand.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Let's get connected and youth talks.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
That'd be okay. So Cabinet has just today met as
they do on a Monday, and has decided to take
some urgent action to try to help the electricity sector
out the energy sector. This is what they've decided to do,
and we're going to talk to Sam and Brown, the
Energy Minister about this. Just after half past five. They're
going to act with urgency to reverse the ban on
offshore offshore oil and gas exploration. They'll do that by

(13:33):
the end of this year. Now, that's not going to
have any immediate effects on our lives. That's a political
thing that they are doing. They're trying to make a point.
They're trying to remind us why we're at least in
part in the trouble that we are. But the faster
they get that done the better. The sooner we're going
to reap the rewards of potentially more gas and more
gas maintenance down the line. So fair enough, go for
it fast. It's not going to fix anything immediately. More importantly,

(13:55):
they are going to fast track the storage facility that
we're going to need in order to import alling, probably
from Australia. So that will be done in a hurry.
They're going to ease restrictions on electricity lines owning owning generation.
Now I wasn't aware of this, but electricity distribution businesses
are currently prohibited from owning owning generation assets of more

(14:16):
than fifty megawatts connected to their own network. So they're
going to ease that. They're going to ensure access for
gent tailors to the hydro contingency, which is basically what
they're already doing, just allow the generators to go to
take those lakes lower than they would normally be able to.
And they're also going to improve electricity market regulation. Government's
going to undertake a review of the performance of the
electricity market to ensure market arrangements deliver reliable electricity at

(14:39):
lowest costs and that the market is efficient, effectively competitive
for the future. Now they're going to announce the details
of that review in the coming weeks. That is not
that that is that feels a little kicking the can
down the road. It's not going to do anything like
next Winter's staffed right. That review review is not going
to do anything for next winter. But in the future,
I suspect that we will be grateful for it, so
that does need happen. I suppose Waba chat to same

(15:01):
and when he's with us, I'm going to get you
across what's gone on with Uber very shortly. Actually, maybe
I've got time to do it now. Yeah, well okay,
So the Court of Appeal has ruled against Uber. Now
this is the case of whether four Uber drivers are
contractors or employers. The Uber drives have taken it to
the Employment Court. The Employment Court ruled in their favor
and said no, no, no, they are employees, They're not contractors.

(15:24):
The Court of Appeal has an Uber appeal to the
Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal has upheld that decision,
which now means that these guys, who are technical contractors
but now considered employees, will be entitled to the rights
and protections of employees, including minimum wage, guaranteed hours, holiday pays,
sick leave. Here we save a contributions, the right to

(15:45):
challenge an unfair dismissal, the right to unionize, the right
to collectively bargain. Uber is going to appeal this to
Supreme Court, which I think is probably the right thing
to do in this instance, because I find this is
quite worrying, right, I mean, if you sign a contract
for contract to work but then expect to be an employee.
That feels a bit funny, doesn't it. Anyway? We'll deal
with this after five o'clock with Business New Zealand get

(16:06):
their take on the ramifications. Headline's next It's beautiful sees it?

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Oh? The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duplicy
allan drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Let's get connected and news talk zed B.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
When you're playing he's drinking now you're thinking about me
when you're riding where he's driving?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Now you's a mystery, Devin.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Times around do you see when you're.

Speaker 10 (16:35):
Sat and drinking?

Speaker 3 (16:37):
There not a lot of love on the text machine
for that decision out of the Court of appeal read
the Uber Heather. Of course, the delivery products via Uber
and Uber rides will all increase, adding to costs and
inflation as a result of this decision, because basically the
labor becomes more expensive, right, that's the point of having
the contractors. And on the flip side, you would expect
that being a contractor would appeal to some people rather
than being an employee. Hither, the Uber result will have

(16:57):
major ramifications, especially for the Korean industry, because all careers
should be employees, and this fight has been going on
for many decades. Taxis slash ubers are contractors because they
can start and finish at their own discretion, which is true.
Oliver Peterson is going to be with us shortly and
very sop standing by for politics. It's twenty four away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's the world wires on news talks they'd been drive.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
There have been at least four confirmed deaths from the
fighting at the Israel Lebanon border over the weekend. His
Bolla launched hundreds of drones and rockets at Israel, and
the Israel Defense Forces hit Lebanon with air strikes. Here's
the Israeli Prime Minister Benjaminett and Yahoo.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I love wonderful room loss.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
We are determined to do everything to protect our country,
return the residents of the North safety to their homes,
and continue to uphold a simple rule.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Whoever hurts us, we heard them.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
The Sun newspaper in the UK is reporting some big
music news. Oasis has reunited. According to the report, Nol
and Liam Gallagher have got over their differences. They've made amends,
They've stopped spatting like little teenagers. It's going to be
a tour announcement this week, and music journalist Matt Charlton
has a theory of this.

Speaker 8 (18:01):
No, I have been pretty adamant that it would take
one hundred million pounds to get him back on the
stage with Limb and with Oasis, and maybe that's what's happened.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Hopefully, and finally, if something seems to be good to
be true, like the Oasis story, maybe it is. Last week,
three hundred bargain hunters snapped up first class Quantus tickets
that were put on hold and on sale rather on
sale for eighty five percent off the normal price. Sadly,
the discount was only that good because of a coding error,
so the airline has canceled the tickets and offered all

(18:30):
three hundred buyers the choice of a refund or a
business class ticket on the same flight.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Olli Peterson six pr PERF life presenters with us. Now, Hey,
OLLI get a heather, OLLI are these gunmen still on
the run?

Speaker 10 (18:47):
Yeah, they are and they are known. So we do
have an Underworld's war if you like. In Western Sydney,
the bloke who has been shot and killed goes by
the name of Turek Aube and he is well known
in the underworld circles of criminal gangs. In Western Sydney
he was also going by the name of Torek and
he was involved in the death of a teenager back

(19:08):
in twenty seventeen who was shot dead in his bed.
Now what has happened overnight in Paramatta is that aub
was shot and out. Suv was then found engulfed in
flames a short time later, so the car had been
stolen and then the evidence obviously.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
Torched and lit up.

Speaker 10 (19:23):
Police say that he lived and died by the sword,
but they're worried about what this might mean in terms
of retribution for the Western Sydney gangs that are in operation.
And obviously everybody in that part of Australia is on
high alerts.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
So do they know how many gunmen there are?

Speaker 10 (19:37):
No, they believe there's two, so they've got at least
one and they believe there's another one at least who
is on the run at the moment, So multiple gunmen,
they're saying on the run at the moment. But I
think all of these people are known to police, and
this is almost like another series of Underbelly unfolding before
our eyes.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
White. That's exactly what I thought. I mean, we're going
to watch this on TV in about five years.

Speaker 8 (19:57):
Up, Yeah, we will, absolutely.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
I mean the first series was really good. I like
to watch in the first series, so you know, I'm
not that we really want this to happen, but yeah,
now we're watching it finding.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Though, isn't there if these bad guys are going to
take each other out like this, at least there's some
entertainment in it for.

Speaker 10 (20:10):
Us exactly, and get rid of each other and hopefully
the gangs are destroyed in the process.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
You're too right now, the right to disconnect laws are
coming in today. What are you guys expecting?

Speaker 10 (20:19):
Well, I don't know how much changes. So here's the
example that they make. Right If you work in retail,
for example, and the boss sees that when you left
the store, you left the lights on, you left the
computer on, and you forgot to lock up. If he
then went to or she went to ring you to say,
oh Ollie, Heather, you forgot.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
To do all this, that's fine. No ways are gonna make.

Speaker 10 (20:37):
The call, but or send the email. If say you
wanted to send an email to say, hey, I'm thinking
next Friday we might actually get some donuts and some
sandwiches for the office, then you wouldn't have to reply
to that. You could say, you know what, that's unreasonable.
Why are you contacting me out of hours because you
want to talk about sandwiches in ten days time?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, So look, it's you know, I think basically if you.

Speaker 10 (20:58):
Use common sense you'll be okay with this. But you
know we're going to see obviously, you know business counsel
in Australia at the moment saying this is the end
of productivity. You know, workers have all their riots.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It's terrible.

Speaker 10 (21:08):
Then you obviously here from the other side, my boss
can't call me anymore outside of hour. It's like, oh wait, boss,
I'm not going to answer the call. You can get stuffed.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
So you could just see how there are going to
be all these obnoxious employees who are going to do
stuff like this, right, it's just going to add another headache.

Speaker 10 (21:19):
Absolutely it is. And you know what, in the end,
if you want to get somewhere in the world, if
you want to work hard, if you want to take
some calls outside of hours, that's what you're gonna do
because you want to earn more money.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
So what do you have to do now if you
want to be the guy who is on call and
available and diligent, do you have to opt into taking
phone calls? No, you still can.

Speaker 10 (21:36):
And similarly if you're a ca So if you're a
casual and you get a phone call from the boss
to say, hey, can you come and work another shift?
And he's obviously reasonable, So there is still again you
know what, it's the common sense or the pub test
rule that you need to apply to this.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, now how much of a job has this airline on?
Bardsman got on their hands.

Speaker 10 (21:54):
Good luck and you reckon they're going to have any
teeth or power to cut through like ultimately, I mean,
it all sounds good in theory, and the idea is
your planes delayed, you're going to get a full refund,
or you're going to be put in a hotel overnight
and get some food vouchers. I mean basically, it's doing
what airlines used to do ten years ago and bringing
back that good will. The one thing that's really interesting
and I know that regional express. He's obviously gone into administration.

(22:16):
They're not flying between capital cities anymore. But for the
five minutes they did that, all of a sudden, Virgin
and Jetstar reduce their airfares between twenty and thirty percent. So, look,
it can be done in terms of competition, and it
can be done. I suppose if enough Australians arc up
and say they're frustrated with this. But ultimately I think
it's telling Virgin and Quantus here in Australia to pull

(22:37):
up their socks, provide customer service, provide adequate compensation if
flights are delayed or canceled as a result of whatever
the reason is. And if there's going to be a problem,
they'll take it the ombts minute. Then they'll get a
big slab on the wrist and everyone will keep complaining
more than that exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
For more, don't you, Ollie?

Speaker 11 (22:56):
Thank you?

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I appreciate it. Oli Peterson six pr Perth life present
on that business aboutquant to selling these tickets. Now what
I was reading is so they've sold, just to recap
what I was saying before, three hundred first class seats
for a huge discount, and in some cases the discount
was like eighty five percent. Now I didn't see any
evidence of that, but I saw one chap had paid
for a ticket first class from Sydney to LA and

(23:16):
back again, and that had cost him four thousand, seven
hundred New Zealand dollars. And for what I could see,
that flight would normally cost around twenty one thousand dollars.
There's not quite an eighty five percent discount. But hey,
that's not bad. Ah, that's it's getting close. I suppose
to eighty five percent or thereabouts, be about seventy five
percent discount. Anyway, I would do it, wouldn't you You
just basically you just do a Carmel Sepeloni. Wouldn't it

(23:38):
for a couple of weeks You'd be like, bye, first
class tickets, Off I go. Anyway. I am fascinated by
how different companies react when they accidentally sell something in
this online era where where they price at the wrong thing,
and how it goes and then you can, of course
still cancel it because it's just paperwork. Do you remember
last year China Southern Airlines, the same thing happen and

(24:00):
they sold all of these flights for two dollars New Zealand,
and obviously that would have sucked, but they were like, well, okay,
well we did it, so we'll honor them. So they
honored all the tickets. Quantas has kind of hit the
halfway mark where it's not honoring it all together, but
then it's still giving you a really good deal. So
if you bought these first class tickets, you can still
fly for business class and business class return for four thousand,

(24:23):
seven hundred bucks between Sydney and la is still an
absolute bargain and what an amazing treat. It's about sixty
five percent lower than the actual price. And I was
trying to rack my brain, but there was something earlier
this year in New Zealand where something got sold and
then canceled and consuming New Zealand was upset about it.
And I can't, for the life of me remember what
it was. But anyway, if you remember, please hit me
up on nine two nine two put me out of

(24:44):
my misery. Otherwise I'm going to wake up a three
am and remember and just perfect timing to get my
body into you know, the ab Springbok two o'clock. But anyway,
but yeah, fascinating a like the businesses that are prepared
to take the head up front and just honor it.
I reckon they come out with a better good will
politics next sixteen away from five.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
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Speaker 3 (25:05):
Thank you. It was countdown, giving everybody the three points
in the email and then taking them all back. Your
genius whoever sent that to me? Thirteen away from five
and Barry Sober, Senior Political corresponding with other genius speaking
of another genius as gracing us with his amazing brain.
Right now, what do you make of this energy package?

Speaker 12 (25:22):
Well, it's probably a lot of what we'd already heard before.
We are facing an energy crisis and the government is
blaming labor for it. But in the end, labour is
not responsible for the low lake levels, is not responsible
for the lack of wind, It's not responsible for the
atmospheric aspects, if you like, of the energy crisis at

(25:43):
the moment.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
But it's responsible at least in part for the gash or.

Speaker 12 (25:47):
Well, I'll talk about that that the Cabinet has basically
come up with a number of issues to ensure energy
supply in the future, will remove regulatory areas to the
construction of critically needed facilities to import liquefied natural gas.

(26:08):
That's an interesting one that because they you know, they
come in ships and big containers this gas and then
it's regassed once it comes into the country. I read
quite a lot about it today because I thought how
it's put into the gas form Again it's liquefied.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Oh yes, yeah, So I learned quite a lot on
that one.

Speaker 12 (26:26):
But there are easing restrictions on electric electricity lines. Companies
are owning generation now. They've had very limited ownership in
the past, so they're going to open that up so
there'll be more competition if you like, in the sector.
They'll ensure easy access for gen tailors to hydro to

(26:47):
a hydro contingency. So there's a number of aspects they're
looking at. But Chris Luxon, who was standing on the
stage with both Sam and Brown and Chris Bishop today
he sheeted the blame for the energy crisis home to
labor but on the other hand, he's now urging them
to get on board with rectifying the problem.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
The bottom line is New Zealand should not be in
this situation, but we are. And it's important to remember
how we got here because it did not happen by
accident or because the fact is entirely outside of government control.
Previous government's ban on oil and gas exploration threatened investment
in the upstream energy sector and as good as it
may have sounded on a bumper sticker or to climate
activists in Europe, it was reckless. I urge opposition parties

(27:30):
to support what we have announced today. It would be
the sensible, common sense thing to do if they genuinely
cared about New Zealand's energy security, a lower emissions future
and hard working New Zealanders's.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Smart move from him, right, Because immediately Labour's going to
come out and say now we're going to ban it again.

Speaker 12 (27:44):
Oh look, that's going to be a difficult one, isn't
it now? Because you know, you've got a three year
life of a political party before they run again for
re election. And if you're an investor looking at New
Zealander's a potential investment for energy, you're.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Give me a read on this barrier. Okay. So if
Labor was to come out and reaffirm their commitment to
the oil and gas band, which I understand is what
they intend to do, is that not going to go
down badly?

Speaker 12 (28:10):
Well, I would imagine it would go down quite badly
given the situation Maria. And you see what's happened, particularly
with gas at the moment. You know, it's particularly bad.
We've got a very limited supply, we're not exploring for
it anymore.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
And you know, I can't understand it what we're get opposed,
because what we're getting at the moment is a taste
of what the future would be like without any gas, right,
and it's horrible. And if they go ahead and reconfirm
their commitment to the oil and gas band, people they're readiot's,
aren't they.

Speaker 12 (28:42):
Well, it's always been the problem with labor, isn't it.
They have these great ideological ideas and they have nothing
to back up their ideas in terms of other aspects.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
And well they did have Lake Onslow, which was well,
that was thirty eight earl bad idea.

Speaker 12 (28:58):
It was going to be opened in nineteen, in two
thousand and thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, and it cost US sixteen billion dollars ye in
today's money. Yeah, what about the fast track thing? Now,
this feels to me like they have taken the kind
of guts of what people are complaining out of it.

Speaker 12 (29:14):
Well, they have and again it's going to make it
difficult for Labor and my view, but Chris Bishop, he
will assess the application against a set of criteria and
that includes whether to defer the project for an assessment
by the independent Expert Panel. But it doesn't mean that
when they say the Minister won't have the final sign

(29:37):
of the Minister can circumvent it earlier on in the
process and step two of the process the Minister could
decline the project at that stage. Now the independent Panel,
of course, there's going to be a lot of pressure
on them by the three hundred and eighty four applicants
that are now going for the fast track measures. They

(29:58):
are going to be made up and they haven't been
appointed yet. They'll be appointed later this year. A High
Quarter or an environmental judge, a lawyer or a planner
will be the chairperson. Local authorities will be represented an
environment expert and the treaty settlements require it. An EWE

(30:18):
authority representative will be on the expert panel as.

Speaker 8 (30:22):
Well if needed, Yes, if needed.

Speaker 12 (30:25):
So you know Labour's reaction to it at the stage
is they say the bill overrides the laws that protect
our environment and they'll make decisions regardless of the impact
on the environment. And I say to that bollocks because
part of the criterion that they've got to consider is
very much the environment.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Barry, thank you very much, Really appreciate it's very Soper,
senior political correspondent coming up seven away from five.

Speaker 13 (30:51):
Digging into the issues that affect you, the mic asking
breakfast aither of the minutes they had the final sign
off and on, and there was always an expert channeled,
did we not trust them?

Speaker 8 (31:00):
Do we not trust them?

Speaker 14 (31:01):
We have for so much demanded this country for significant
infrastructural investment.

Speaker 15 (31:06):
There's a big difference between a campaigning politician and a
minister in cabinet, which is basically tantamount to saying, look,
that doesn't really matter what we say on the campaign trial,
none of it's going to turn out to be true anyway.
Tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the
rain Driver, the Lahn Newstalk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Five away from five, listen news just out a prominent
political figure, former political figure. And this has been in
the news for a wee bit. The fact that this
guy has been standing trial for eight charges of indecent
assault relating to two teenage boys all the way back
to the nineteen nineties. This person has just been found
guilty charges carry a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment.

(31:41):
Has had name suppression throughout the trial, not an MP,
we have to say, has had name suppression, still has
name suppression. His defense team have fourteen dales days to
file evidence in support of whether he should have permanent
name supression or just get rid of it all together.
So might find out in the next couple of three
weeks or so what the name is, or whether we're

(32:02):
ever going to find out what the name is. Lydia
coh now because Lydia co is on the stream run,
I mean, what is not long ago we were talking
about the fact that she was going to retire, and
then all of a sudden we're talking about about the
fact that she is absolutely the boss again. We're going
to have a chat shortly to Michael Glading, New Zealand
Open tournament director about what he thinks going on here.
Something's happened in her headah, and all of a sudden

(32:23):
she's just winning. He'll be with us quarter past five. Apparently,
the government's announcement today on the energy sector has gone
down very well among some analysts. So we'll find out
the reaction. Just after five o'clock. I got a little
bit of this thing pops up from time to time,
and it's happened again. Bit of consternation about where the
superfund is investing its money. Apparently these four companies are

(32:46):
problematic Airbnb, Booking, dot Com, Motoroller Solutions, and a company
called Alstom Aslam Alstom. I don't really no, I never
heard of them before anyway, And the Superfunder's put one
hundred and forty million dollars into this.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
The problem is, according to Labor, that connected to Israeli
illegal Israeli settlements. It's not actually strictly according to a labor,
it's according to the United Nations a putatalyst. Last June,
Labour wants to tell the super fund, wants the government
to tell the superfund in acc which also invests to
sell the stock. The super found isn't keen because these
guys are not like they supply services, but they're not

(33:22):
actually directly like building the settlements. We'll talk to Nichola Willis,
our finance minister who's with us after six o'clock get
her take on that. News took zb.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather do to clan Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
'd be.

Speaker 12 (33:48):
Afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Cabinet has decided how it's going to try to fix
our energy problems. The oil and gas exploration ban will
be overturned by the end of this year. Consents for
a new facility to store al g will be fast
tracked and will be a review of the electricity market
to make sure that no one's profiteering of us. John
Kidd is the director and the head of research at
Analytica and with us right now, Hey John, first blush,

(34:10):
do you like it?

Speaker 14 (34:12):
There's not a lots of detail behind it, but the
first impression is that it looks fairly comprehensive. I mean
the way we think about in the enji sector as
we look at upstream, midstream, downstream, and they do seemd
some pretty affirmative steps being taken in each of those spaces.
So it is positive.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I think, what do you think of all of what's
been announced today is going to bear the first fruit?

Speaker 14 (34:34):
Yeah, so you know, we're already thinking about a pressure
come off with the seas of rain, and then we're
seeing the methodic steel that we caught two ago, so
there is some heat coming out of the market. So
you know, in terms of the deepest of pressure, we're
already staying to see a little bit of relief. But
what you can do, probably at the front end of
all of the measures, which has been said so far,
is probably look towards just ensuring that hydrox contingency is available,

(34:57):
which the government has he is going to do. There
are provisions for the anyway to take place, but the
government sounds like they're going to be safeguarding that, and
then towards the medium term, probably looking towards what the
government has also said towards LNG because that can be deployed.
It's not a rapid deployment, but it can be deployed
in sort of months or possibly a year or two,

(35:18):
and that's something that could be quite important and as
a transition while we figure ourselves out.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Longer term, who do you think is going to build
that LNG facility? Who's interested?

Speaker 14 (35:28):
Well, the way the government seems to have pitched it
is that they're going to streamline. The process for private
capital to come towards us interesting to be the case
across the board, and you know, there are plenty of
examples internationally where these sort of facilities are provided by
private investors. And the government seems to have said that
we're going to do what we can at our streamline

(35:48):
what's needed to be able to accommodate a facility of
this type. But the facility itself is probably going to
be paid for by an investor somewhere on the line
would be ensurredren as I would think they would turn.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Up the oil and gas band being lifted, how soon
before we find more gas and actually get it out of.

Speaker 16 (36:05):
The ground, not quickly.

Speaker 14 (36:08):
That's not going to be something which you will see
move the dial in time soon. Expiration is years and
sometimes decades type horizon. So now when you're overturning this
type of frankly damage that's been done, it's not going
to be something you'll see in terms of payback in
a year or two or even three. It'll be something
which will take quite a bit longer to see itself

(36:29):
come through.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
If it doesn't.

Speaker 14 (36:30):
All it's about getting paperwork out of the way again
and deregulating, But in terms of what happens next, that's
up to investors to put their money towards whatever the
new framework is.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Going to be.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
They're gonna our investors realistically going to come back.

Speaker 14 (36:43):
Yeah, that's going to be a tough ask. Most of
the investors that we did have here have gone and
we've got a very small poll left of investors that
will be the first point of call when it comes
to reinvesting. And you know, we've had one of those
investors talk about exiting the New Zealand operations and it's
not clear what going to happen next. The only thing
we can do is to set the conditions of engagement.
They're alls to engagement to be as accommodating as you can,

(37:06):
which I think is where the government's trying to see
back towards. And I hope that the money will flow
because if we're talking billions of dollars, let's need it
to be able to stabilize where we're at and years
of free investment. So because I say this is not
the short end or the quick end of the suite
that's been in ounce today, it's going to be a
slow burn and it comes to indigenous.

Speaker 11 (37:26):
Yes, John, it's.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Always good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
John Kid, director and head of research at Analytica.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Togeather do for Sea Elis.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Uber has lost its contractor's case again, this time in
the Court of Appeal. Again, the courts have rule that
for Uber drivers are employees, not contractors. It means they
are entitled to holiday pay, sick leave and the right
to fight unfair dismissal. Uber has announced it's going to
appeal even this all the way through to the Supreme Court.
In Dennis maga is First Union General Secretary.

Speaker 14 (37:51):
Hey, Dennis, oh, good affan and I had a lessons
out there.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Does this apply only to these four guys or is
it going to set a precedent for every contractor in
the country.

Speaker 14 (38:01):
We should, actually, said a president to all Uber drivers
out there.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
All Uber drivers are all contractors.

Speaker 14 (38:09):
Let's say right now, Uber drivers. But some contractors can
actually use the legal outcore of this to argue for
their cases.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Why only someone not all?

Speaker 14 (38:20):
It will depend on, for example, the ruling made by
Court of Appeals. For example, if ever they believe that
an employer or a company is using actually to contractor
arrangement as of window dressing. Then they have a good
argument actually to argue for their case that they are
they were misclassified and they are employees.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
So, for example, in my industry right here in radio,
a whole bunch of us are contractors. We sign contractor contracts,
but we basically operate the same as all the other employees.
Can we now go and say we're employees as well?
If it suits us?

Speaker 14 (38:52):
I think it will depend on the terms and conditions.
If ever, you are a contractor and you have the
ability to contract out your job to anywhere and one,
then of course you can argue that you actually control
your your business or your contract Unlike these Uber drivers
for a long time they've been working in this platform
arrangement that the terms and conditions were actually dictated by

(39:16):
Uber and they cannot actually change their terms and conditions.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Okay, what do you think if Uber was to lose
this all the way to the Supreme Court and beyond,
would they pull out of the country, would they increase
their charges? What are you reckon is going to be
the ramifications for consumers?

Speaker 14 (39:32):
Well, I think we're looking at the record of Uber
in different countries, and usually every time they lose their case,
they always appeal, but this is going to be hard
for them. They will become desperate if ever they continue
to appeal this case because the first thing that they
have to do is actually to apply for leave in
order to be granted to appeal that case. In this instance,

(39:54):
right now, the pressure now is actually an uber whether
they will prospect the employment legislation in the country or
they will just simply ignore that.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
All right, Dennis, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Mate.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
There's Dennis Mega Mega First Union General Secretary. I reckon
some bosses here at this radio station might have just
had their sphincters titled a little bit about.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
This hell duper see Alan.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Now, this is interesting out of TV and Z. TV
and Z has today published information on its website about
how its newsroom operates. They've been very explicit about why
they're doing this. They basically want they are aware that
there is declining trust in the media and they want
to address it. So on one news dot co dot
in z they've included a bunch of documents have gone up,
including their editorial standards, and that includes how they you know, basically,

(40:40):
how reporters are expected to report. So, for example, reporters
are required to ask tough questions of yourself before you
ask them of anyone else. I don't really know what
that means, but I ask tough questions of myself every day.
But it's got nothing to do with my job. It's
largely like, why are you such a dick to that person?
That kind of thing. Be aware of their own bias,
and then quote work hard to set them aside. The

(41:03):
standards also show reporters must have seen your sign off
to use hidden cameras or microphones, and these covert news
gathering techniques can only be used if it is in
the public interest and the information can't be obtained by
any other means. What this tells you is, as I
said before, they are aware that the declining trust in
media has got to do a little bit with the biases,
like or a lot a lot with the biases. Now this,

(41:24):
I find it fascinating that this is part of their strategy.
I hope it's not the rest of the only part
of their strategy. This is part of their strategy to
try to address that. What I would say is it's
totally fine to put in some random document that only
like five people are going to read on the website
that they have to address their biases. What they need
to do if they really want to arrest that decline
is drop the bias. Now, everybody's got bias. I'm going

(41:47):
to problem with people having bias. Everybody's got it. But
if you are working for the kind of news of record,
the public broadcaster, you've got to be as straight down
the middle as possible. I'm not sure we can always
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Speaker 1 (43:03):
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Speaker 3 (43:05):
Just a reminder, Sime and Brown Energy Minister is going
to talk us through all the changes that he's made
when he's with us. Just after half past five, nineteen
past five at the moment. And have we got some
great news out of Saint Andrews in Scotland that came
through this morning with.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
A score of two hundred and eighty one, the winner
of the gold Medal and the twenty twenty four AIG
Women's Open champion is Lydia Coe.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
It's Lydia Coe's third major title, but boy, it's been
a while since she's had one. Michael Glading is New
Zealand Open Tournament director. Hey Michael, Hey Heather. Now what
is going on with her that she's had this pack
up and form lately?

Speaker 17 (43:40):
Ah, she's just amazing. I mean, you know, quality shines through,
doesn't it. I mean she's just obviously she's I think
she's got some hunger back in the game. I think
she had this period of time where she was perhaps
not hitting the ball as well as she normally did
and perhaps lost a bit of that enthusiasm. But I've
got for such a metal game and clearly she's shown
that in the last monk.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I heard somebody say she's just in a really great
space at the moment. You know, she's traveling. I think
her partners around, her family's around, she's just having a
good time. Could it just be that.

Speaker 17 (44:09):
I think I think that's a lot to do with it. Absolutely,
she's very happily married, and I think, to be fair,
when she first got married, I think that was very
much a focus rather than necessarily winning golf tournaments. She's
been married to a year or two now, and she's
kind of getting the best of both worlds.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
But yeah, it's just fantastic.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
What do you reckon, Michael about the kind of freedom
that you get in your game when you've achieved what
you wanted to achieve, Right, so you get the bronze,
then you get the silver, and then you know, like whatever,
everything after that's a bit of a cherry on the top,
and so she just starts playing really well.

Speaker 17 (44:39):
I think there's something in that. As I say, golf
for such a mental game, and pressure is something that
you only put on yourself, right, so if you kind
of feel like, wow, you know, I think having one.
I wasn't actually that surprised she won this week because
having won that gold, which I know for her was
absolutely for her a real pinnacle. I think, you know,
she probably went into this week thinking, wow, you know,
it's been a great month, no matter what. Again, again

(45:01):
keep saying it, but that that that bit between your
ears is just the most important part of the golf swing.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
So right, Michael, Hey, thank you very much, go and
enjoy the rest of the form. Michael Glading, New Zealand
Open tournament director. Hither I have a mix of employees
and contractors. If you have specific hours and a clearly
defined role, your clearly unemployee. Well I think the courts
are agreeing with you on that. Chris, speaking of bias,
I'm going to show mine. Have you read the article
in the Guardian with this headline New Zealand culture is

(45:28):
booming around the world. Do we have Jacinda Ardern to
thank for it? Oh, you're gonna want to hear this one.
We'll do it before the end of the hour. I'll
tell you what. So be biased both ways from the
Guardian and from me. And so why did you put
your headphones in your.

Speaker 18 (45:40):
So I was going to suggest that maybe you have
a tough conversation with yourself just before you do the
bias I think, so do you think, Oh wait, no,
that's TV and Z rules and we've got no one.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
But I can also apply it to myself. And then
I need to also know what my biases are and
set them aside. Borrang near mind five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
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Let's get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
They'd be coming up twenty five past five listen on Friday.
I think it's a pity that the news about the
Allen Hall case came out on a Friday, which is
what happened, because being a Friday, it didn't get nearly
enough attention, riting all the attention it deserved. But what
happened on Friday is actually really big. Two former cops
and a former prosecutor are going to be charged and
will appear in court next week over Allan Hall's wrongful conviction. Now,

(46:25):
if you're struggling to remember what this is, this is
the case where this chap Allan Hall, went to jail
for nineteen years for killing somebody he didn't actually kill,
and it may well be one of the most egregious
miscarriages of justice in this country. But I'll tell you what,
there are others that are really trying to get to
get that label off it because in this case, what
happened is the cops had witness statement, a witness statement

(46:46):
that said that the attacker was a tall, broad Maori man.
But when they charged and then prosecuted Alan Hall, who
was a slight white man who I would consider to
be slightly on the short side. They hid that witness
description from the jury. They hid it from the jury.
Now the cops have been investigating this for the last
couple of years, have just charged these three and let

(47:07):
me tell you, from what I can glean, this is
really unusual. I mean, this is a case there is, sorry,
there is a case from earlier this year of police
charging two of their own for something similar. But apart
from that, I've been told it's rare, not only in
New Zealand but also globally to have cops and a
prosecutor charged for a case as serious as murder. But
it is a good thing that this is happening. I'm
not prejudging these guys. I'm not saying if I think

(47:29):
that they're guilty or not. I mean that is for
the courts to decide and not for the rest of us.
But just having these charges laid, just the sense that
justice is being done, I think is a good thing
because we've got a long list now of cases of
people going to jail over alleged questionable stuff from the
police and the investigation in the court case. And this
goes all the way back to Arthur Allen Thomas. It
becomes all the way forward as recently as this, and

(47:51):
also the Gail Mainy case that is actually before the
courts right now. I've got a lot of respect for police,
and I respect that they have got a lot of
work on their place and they've got a lot to do.
But I think we know that they have a lot
of power and hold a lot of power over us.
Right it is important to see that those who hold
the rest of us to account are also being held
to account. So regardless of what comes out of this case,

(48:11):
just seeing that cops aren't afraid to charge their own
I think is really important. Ever, Dupe Alan, the Cursey
Alsock case has over the weekend got really interesting, right.
This is the UK presenter over there who was going
to allow her fifteen year old son to go traveling
abroad through Europe and somebody has report and it was
all over the papers last week and somebody, some curtain twitcher,

(48:32):
has called the child protection people and knocked on her.
Now she's had a file opened on her. What I'm
confused about here is what rule she's broken, because, as
she says, she's broken no law. And what I mean
if you sent your fifteen year old off to the
Pacific Islands by themselves. Would you be breaking a law?
Is that not perfect? Is this a moral judgment? We're
going to talk to the Huddle about it shortly, Newstalks

(48:53):
A B.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
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Speaker 3 (49:05):
Blood stuff we get at your truck, Grig did your
put through?

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Myne did it?

Speaker 10 (49:12):
It's fun, there's a there's a way, and I'm not
sure you're lasting, didn't segaburtous question.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
I was Ozzie when I was fifteen, on my own
for five months. When I came back, my mother asked
what I'd been up to all summer. Mark, if you
could just send through your contact details and your mother's
I'm just gonna head up Wins about that and just
see if they want to open a file on her,
because shesh. Look at how you've turned out. The Huddle's
going to be with us shortly. Now, listen, we give
Wellington a lot of grief for its pipes, but how

(49:43):
about i'd give you an alternative version of the same story.
Remember that pipe that burst when everybody was down there
for the conference. It was like water all over k
Kington Cambridge Terrace and absolute shambles. That pipe is a
cast iron pipe. It's a water pipe. Cast iron water
pipe was late in a eighteen ninety and it has
not caused any trouble until twenty twenty four. Now that

(50:06):
is actually impressive. I mean the problem is obviously all
these pipes bursting out exactly the same time. But a
pipe going one hundred and thirty four years before it
causes problems is pretty awesome, isn't it. There is a
pipe that's actually older than that. There is a waste
water pipe that runs beneath the Base and Reserve Cricket
ground and is actually being used. Was installed in eighteen forty.

(50:29):
How good, twenty three away from six.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Ever, due for ce Ellen's back to the government's.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Just announced energy package, Cabinet has decided to fast track
consents for an LNG storage facility and then also overturn
the oil and gas exploration ban in a hurry by
the end of this year. Energy Minister Simeon Brown is
with me right now, Hey, simn good evening. You're also
planning to do a review of the electricity market. Now,
is this basically a market study?

Speaker 11 (50:54):
Well, it's not a market study, but it's ensuring that
the market settings are right for the changes that we're seeing,
which is obviously the reduction in gas supply but also
increasing intermittent resources, and to make sure that the regulators,
the ultrust, the Authority and ComCom have the tools they
need to be able to make changes to keep it competitive,
affordable and secure.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Are you looking at whether they're profiteering or not.

Speaker 11 (51:16):
Well, ultimately, what we want is more competition. That's the
way to ensure that we're not seeing excess profits. The
EA is also going to be ensuring that more regular
reporting of margins are in place. But we don't have
enough supply and we don't give it.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I mean, I get the problem. But your mate Marta
Shane has come out and said that these guys, the gentailers,
are profitearing. Are you now going to answer that question
with the study?

Speaker 11 (51:41):
What we're going to be doing is looking at the
market settings to make sure that EA and the ComCom
have the tools.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
That sounds that's in no way you're not looking at
whether they're profitearing.

Speaker 11 (51:52):
Well, we are looking at as a separate piece of
work they are already undertaking to ensure that there isn't
price gouging happening. I share Shane Jones's concerns.

Speaker 7 (52:00):
I share his concerns.

Speaker 11 (52:01):
Around excessive prices and the impact that they're having.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
So are you saying because the EA is already looking
into it, it doesn't need to be looked into.

Speaker 11 (52:08):
Again, Well, they need to do that job to ensure
that the current what's happening right now, with the high
prices we're facing, we're not seeing we don't want us
be seeing price gouging. But I also want to make
sure that they have the tools to enable a more
competitive market because competition ensures that we don't see price gouging.
Competition means we get more generation. Competition means we have

(52:31):
more supply, and competition is good for consumers.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
So the competition, the competition aspect is that is that
you allowing the lines companies to be able to build
more generation. Would that increase the competition?

Speaker 11 (52:42):
That is absolutely one of the one of the elements.
And also about resilience because you go into some of
the more remote parts of the country where it's Northland, Corimandal,
the West Coast, the transmission costs to put new transmission
lines in is incredibly expensive, and so having more resilience
by having more generation onto those lines companies' assets helps
to make it helps to reduce the cost of more

(53:05):
generation as well. So that part of increasing competition but
also increasing resilience.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Who's going to build the LNG facility? Who's interested?

Speaker 11 (53:13):
Well, it's been significant interests from a range of parties.
Some of those parties obviously already own assets in New Zealand.
The Gas Industry Company, which is the body which regulates
the gas market in New Zealand, they are going to
be coordinating that work. Our job is to get rid
of all of the regulatory barriers as quickly as we
can and give confidence for those investors to be able

(53:34):
to come and invest in that infrastructure so we can
get that gas into New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
How quickly can you do it?

Speaker 11 (53:40):
Well, the advice I've received, our expectation is the latest
is winter twenty twenty six. That's the latest the advices.
There are options to do that faster depends on that.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Are you saying you're only going to be able to
issue the consent in winter twenty six?

Speaker 11 (53:55):
Oh no, No, that is the latest actually have that
gas flowing into New Zealand. Okay, in terms of the consent,
we've said we're going to put specific legislation to Parliament
to legislate that content because we want to give absolute
certainty that this government will remove those regulatory barriers so
that those investment decisions can be made as quickly as possible.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
So, I mean, how much more expensive is allan G
flowing through my pipe than the indigenous gas I've got
at the moment.

Speaker 11 (54:22):
Well, the spot price for your indigenous gas in the
market's over fifty dollars a giga duel and LNG's between
seventeen and twenty one, so it's actually cheaper to bring
in lngs into the spot market in New Zealand, but
typically New Zealand gas is cheaper than LNG. So ultimately
this is about making sure we've got the supply and

(54:43):
that price will ultimately determine where it's coming from.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Okay, Hey, thank you, Simin, really appreciate your time that
Simmy and Brown, the Energy Minister, the.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
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Speaker 3 (54:56):
On the huddle got Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute,
Mark Sainsbury, who's broadcast Hell are you too? Tim does
this filly with confidence.

Speaker 16 (55:05):
Well, I'm glad to I'm glad to hear that we're
addressing this issue as someone who actually I did change
power companies this year. Not I we did, Yeah, we did.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Some couple of guys came.

Speaker 16 (55:16):
Around and said, guess what you can get cheaper, cheaper power,
cheaper internet, and we'll throw in a cheaper big screen TV.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
So we did the deal.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
What they gave you a TV as well?

Speaker 16 (55:27):
Well, it's saw in a sort of reduced value TV.
Let's put it that way, well, reduced cost, but it's
big screen.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Worrying about this deal, I feel very worried about it. Tim,
did you look at your power bill and actually make
sure that it has come down?

Speaker 16 (55:39):
I haven't done it yet, but we're watching a lot
of Telly.

Speaker 8 (55:42):
Oh yeah, this is the.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Reason you haven't done it yet is because your wife
did all the admin. Right.

Speaker 16 (55:47):
What's Mark got to say about this? I'm sensing again
he's deflicting.

Speaker 14 (55:52):
I'm fascinated by the accounting arrangements in Tim's house. Hate
but this thing, I mean I agree with some Look,
something's going to be done. I was seeing that conference
in the Patrolling Ministry in twenty eighteen when Megan turned
up and the Minister Energy Minister at the time and said,
I look, we're all considering this, and I remember asking it, well,
does that mean you've made a decision already and don't

(56:13):
want to tell us or you're still considering it and
that already made the decision? Of course, And here we
are six years later and there's going to be another reset.
You just want someone to say, look, let's just get
this sorted out, because it's just a cycle. What happens
in the meantime.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, totally. Well, here's a question for you, say, Jon,
so put your political editor's hat on. If you think
about the situation that we find ourselves in right now,
and it sucks, and it is in part because of
not totally, but in part because of Labour's oil and
gas ban. If Labor was to come out and say yeah,
we're going to commit to that oil and gas band,
does that play badly for them or is it too

(56:48):
complicated for most people to understand?

Speaker 14 (56:51):
Well, don't forget its sort of the lead up to
that band in twenty eighteen, there's been constant protests and
certain factions. So within I think the labor within their
own caxtment, I don't think are going to be getting
in backing it. I mean they'll sort of they stick
because it's a you're going to admit you're wrong to
begin with. Yeah, And second of your own support base

(57:12):
who are anti at are going to think you're just
you're just a turn coke. But the problem, it's the
same with all these big issues. There was a there
was a I remember tending a thing before the election
here with the group down here wanting to get things
into long term planning. We don't do enough long term planning.
We don't do it absolutely right, you know, the same.
But the super there's all those issues farmact, these things

(57:33):
that should be.

Speaker 16 (57:35):
A short term. Short termism is our absolute problem because
we think we're practical people will just solve the problem
and they'll take care of it. But actually there are
problems that ensue and unintended consequences. And by the way,
if we can harvest the oil and gas we get
the crude, we still have to send it overseas to
get it refined. So it's a there's so many other
things that we have to do to make sure that

(57:56):
we're energy self sufficient.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Yeah, it's a very important all right, we'll take a
break with you guys, come back very shortly. It's the
Huddle sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, you're back on the huddle, Mark Sainsbury. Tim Wilson saying,
so you got a problem with Carmel Sepaloni going on
Celebrity Treasure Island but still collecting her MP pay.

Speaker 14 (58:18):
Well, she's donating it, she says, isn't she She's giving
her pay to it.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Well, that's two winnings, right, that's the winnings from the cold.
But then she took two weeks off the job. I
don't have a problem with it, but other people do.
Took two weeks off the job and then kept on
taking her pay.

Speaker 14 (58:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
See I read that.

Speaker 14 (58:33):
I thought she was saying that.

Speaker 16 (58:35):
No, I thought she was donating her Yeah. I thought
she was donating it to the trust, the Tyler Trust.

Speaker 14 (58:40):
Yeah, even the pay.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah saying okay, stand corrected. But that's ridiculous, isn't it.
I mean she's going off board now.

Speaker 14 (58:49):
Too generous.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Take that money back from that charity, solve that problem.

Speaker 16 (58:56):
What kind of a politician has she.

Speaker 14 (58:59):
At? Atitionary risk is not that she's where the pay,
it's the fact she's going on with Dunk and Garner.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Well trying, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (59:10):
It's going to be tough. I would love to see
her and Jenny Shipley forming a team. Now, wouldn't that
be a vision of television?

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Goal?

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Would you ever go on?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
I once?

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Well, well, I was going to ask Tim if he's
ever let me ask him, and then I'm going to
come back to you saying, so, Tim, would you ever
go on it? Would you go on Celebrity Treasure Island?

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Sure?

Speaker 16 (59:30):
If they want someone to feel sorry for who's uncoordinated,
doesn't have light a match, he exterminated in the first round.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
You know how this goes?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
Yeah, what about you saying? So, would you do it?

Speaker 14 (59:40):
Someone did ring me up one day and you're going
to say no to this? Would she consider? I mean, yeah,
that was just obviously casting round and I said no,
one of them makes You could have got it could
have been a great time.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
Who gives?

Speaker 11 (59:56):
Who gives?

Speaker 14 (59:58):
Just on Tim's and Jenny Shipley Jenny Fantasy once I
went under cover a national caucus and a new pun
up and it was someone motels. Every floor looks the same.
And I got to what I thought was my root,
go there key and opened the door and there was
Jenny Shipley standing in her underwear.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Oh okay, that's d tell me say so? Did she
go to the kind of mumsy underwear or was it
quite sexy stuff?

Speaker 14 (01:00:27):
I averted my eyes that you'd be pleased to know immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
And what you've got a mind blank and you can't
remember anything?

Speaker 16 (01:00:34):
Would you go on celebrity treasure idle Heather?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Jeez, man, I can't move past Jenny in her underwear.
I'll tell you what. I would have taken a mental
photograph right then? Hey, Tim, it feels to me like
these changes that were made over the weekend with the
fast Track Bill are basically taking the guts out of
what people are complaining about, and therefore we'll make it
more palatable, right because it's it's not the three ministers
making the decision. What do you think?

Speaker 16 (01:00:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think I think I
think they're getting there. It depends on her points, but
it does seem to be a good summary of people
who would would actually be an antidote to what you
might see as cronyism, et cetera, et cetera. Just got
to be careful with the appointment thing. Just to note
on everyone's going, oh, they've got mining companies there, you
know that they're in they're doing inside deals with this.

(01:01:16):
Mining is five percent. Yeah, of the fast tracking that's
already applied. Most of it is housing.

Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
Yes, don't we need some of that?

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
Which are completely lost proportion with this excellent point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Thank you for making it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Say so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It feels to me like some people are going to
see this as a fantastic way of kind of reaching
a compromise with with with your critics. Others are going
to see it as a backtrack. How do you see it?

Speaker 14 (01:01:39):
They didn't have any choice, I think for a start,
I mean the public reaction and people marching on the
streets and everyone was coming at the from every endle
I think they, despite Shane Jones wanting to just push
it on through, I think they realized politically this thing
was just going to cause them more headaches, and so
they want to get there again. You're looking, okay, it

(01:01:59):
might significantly you sort of slow up this sort of process.
But again because there's this frustration, I think, and we
get it and went in and I think we're sign
a local level as well. It's just this frustration that
nothing happens, you know. So there's a certain amount of
that that've got a bit of good will and look
at least seem to be doing something. But you just
got to make sure you know, when you get you

(01:02:20):
don't go in like they did. That sort of causes
so many problems. It was they did the same thing,
but with the ken cermits that no no, no, no
public upcry yes yes, yes, yes, you think well if
you had to say yes in the first place.

Speaker 16 (01:02:33):
Was some bothers speaking speaking of Wellington, I've got I've
got heather. The thing on old pipes, what's the oldest
pipe you've got saying zo.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
The oldest pipe?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Having a house like for smoking.

Speaker 14 (01:02:47):
Quite a brier one was sort of tobacco in it. Yeah, No,
we got pipes. I love that eighteen forty one under
the under the base of preserve.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
You know, but you know when it breaks, and it's
going to break because it is now hundred and eighty
years old, is going to be very stinky. So just
watch out, very quickly. Guys, tim, would you send you
fifteen year old off on a trip around where ever?
Out of the country?

Speaker 16 (01:03:09):
Absolutely, boys love adventure. That ours are like cage dogs,
that they're inside the house too long. Get them out
of the house, get them out of the country.

Speaker 14 (01:03:16):
Go and a daughter you've seend as well to.

Speaker 16 (01:03:20):
Oh, not at all of that. That's a different situation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
But boys to saying, so you've got one of each.
What age was the first time that you let them out?

Speaker 14 (01:03:29):
Oh, I'm trying to think they're pretty I mean we
used we did a bit of sort of traveling a lot,
you know, all of us. And then I'm just trying
to think, think Arabella, Oh, you know they did school trips.
It's different. But yeah, there's there's a lot of argument
for this, you know, creating resilience in our kits and
sort of you know, getting them to take risks. This
whole sort of helicopter parenting thing. I think it's terrible.
And that's Dorman has that rageous, isn't it. He was fifteen,

(01:03:52):
he was head of his you know, he was young
for his class, and he went with another sixteen year
old and people do it all the time, you know,
we can't just lock people up keeping them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
So it's probably a little bit like kid by kids.
Some kids are going to handle it, some kids aren't.
A it's about the resilience. You hit the nail on
the head sayings so thank you very much. Mark Sainsbry
and Tim Wilson. A huddle this evening on your.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
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on your drive home. Heather Duplicy Alan drive with one
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Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
It be, Heather, My grandfather left home for good age
thirteen during the Depression of Kelly. It was like a
hundred years ago. And you know that they were made
of strongest stuff back then. I mean you could probably
feed himself at age thirteen. You ask a thirteen year
old nowadays to feed themselves and they all to uber
eat and bloody.

Speaker 16 (01:04:42):
Clue.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
It's completely different. He probably knew how to kill and
skin and roast the thing, like from scratch, you know
what I mean, and like like farm to food, like
pasture to plate type experience. Back then. Here the Greta
Thunberg sailed whatever. Gretta the weird one sailed the world
at fifteen, didn't she might well be right? But is
that an I mean, Greta had a passion, didn't she.

(01:05:05):
So I don't know if all our oun kids have
passions like that. We're gonna have a chat to Nikola
Willis after six o'clock plenty to talk to her about.
Actually today I'm quite keen to find out whether she
was expecting that reaction from all the mayors and the
councilors who had a big old cry about being told
off to have a listened to that after six o'clock. Now,
just Cinda, I told you. I told you I was

(01:05:26):
going to talk you through this article. Been meaning to
get to it actually because it actually popped up on
the Guardian last week. It's a piece by a woman
called Nell Frizzelle who says her dad is a Kiwi
but I think she lives in London or somewhere in
the UK and has got this headline New Zealand culture
is booming around the world. Do we have just Cinda
Ardern to thank for that? And now makes the point

(01:05:47):
that when she was growing up, the sum total of
New Zealand's contribution to global culture was essentially the singer
from crowded house, Nelfin and Shortland Street, and then she
points out that we've got heaps more going for us nowadays.
Case in point, the line up in the Edinburgh Festival,
the fringe packed with young, exciting New Zealand talent. Rose
Matafao's there, Guy Montgomery, Alice sned and Paul Williams, Guy Williams,

(01:06:09):
like it's a whole bunch of others. And then on
screen we've got Peter Jackson, Tiger White, t Jermaine Clement
and Jane Campion. And then for books, we've got somebody
called Meg Mason who lives over in Australia, and then
Alan or Katton of course of the Luminaries and so on.
And then musically we've got Lord and Eldest Harding, we've
got Princess Chelsea, and we've got Jonathan Bree and we've

(01:06:30):
got Marlon Williams who sang and acted in Sweet Tooth.
And then she finishes with as to why there's this
boom in Kiwee culture, It's difficult to say, and she
asks a bunch of questions including is it a fringe
benefit of Jacinda Ardun's time as Prime Minister. I'm just
gonna leave it there for a minute. We'll pick it
up in the next half hour.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
We're business and inside the business hour were heder due
to see Ellen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
And my Hr on news B.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Even in coming up in the next hour. It turns
out more employers are using AI at the moment to
do the interviews. We'll get you across that shortly and
then talk to the person who's apt they're using. The
FED is going to cut soon, like next month soon.
Shane Soley of Harbor Asset Management on that, and Gaven
Gray is with us out of the UK. It's coming
up eight past six and with us now as Nikola
willis the Finance Minster. Hey, Nikolai, Hi Heather, Now, when

(01:07:26):
you guys made the decision that you would tell those
mayors and counselors last week you'd only give them money
if they rained in their spending, were you expecting the
reaction you got?

Speaker 7 (01:07:35):
I didn't think that they would be so out of
touch with their rate payers. It really made me think,
have you're not been listening to people? Because every second
person I come across in Wellington certainly is saying to me,
oh my gosh, have you got your rates bill yet?
It's frightening, and so for mayors and counselors in some
cases to be so out of touch with that, and

(01:07:56):
a real worry.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Do you do you spend much time talking to mayors
and counsels.

Speaker 7 (01:08:01):
A little bit because there are issues, watch our local issues,
and actually we pass information between each other. Just the weekend,
I had a counselor who came across someone who needs
a citizenship application, so he.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
Forwards that to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Do you ever get talking about this? Because I always want?
I also wondered when I saw this reaction with well,
how do you not know that this is how we feel?
What's the vibe you're getting from them?

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:08:23):
It depends, doesn't it. They have different political persuasions around
a council table, and I think some of us is
a little bit of the center left center right thing.
That have people who, as a general position, think that
you should be very careful with ratepayers or taxpayers money,
and you also have people who view that they've got
such magnificent ideas for how to spend it that we

(01:08:44):
should all listen up.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Do you guys seriously mean to set a cap on
how much rates could go up by or is that
just a threat.

Speaker 7 (01:08:55):
Well, we are pretty serious. There's a few things that
we're doing. The first is that we're going to remove
the world being measures from the Act, which at the
moment is how they justify some of their spending. We
are looking into doing performance benchmarks so RAPEAS has clear
information about how the local government entity is performing. And
then yes, we are exploring options to limit what councils

(01:09:18):
can spend their money on the performance accountable things like
how much money they're spending the head of population on
basic services, how much money they're spending on various functions,
and then people can measure it up and say, oh,
why is my council putting so much money on that?
Or why have they got so many staff compared to

(01:09:39):
other councils that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Seez, that sounds like a big piece of work. How
long is that going to take?

Speaker 7 (01:09:44):
Well, it's something that Simmy and Brown, our Minister for
Local Government, has said that he's going to go away
and explore where the Cabinet has said yes, please do so,
and he'll come back to us and due course fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Now, listen, have you had any word from the Reserve
Bank on the recommendations that affect them out of that
MS Comission Banking study last week.

Speaker 7 (01:10:02):
No, not yet, but I expect that I will engage
with them. I've got two pieces of work underway. One
is a rewrite of the Financial Policy remits, which sets
the government's direction on how the Reserve Bank conducts its
functions there and I will work on that in consultation
with the Reserve Bank. And then the second thing is

(01:10:24):
I'll be updating the expectations that I set to the
Reserve Bank. And one of the expectations are set as
they'll hear how they intend to respond to the recommendations
from the comments.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Compet They're not obliged to, are they.

Speaker 7 (01:10:38):
What they are obliged to do is make sure that
they meet the conditions of the policy remit we set.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
That's right. They're not obliged to listen to the ComCom.
But you are choosing to listen to the ComCom and
you can force the Reserve Bank's hand correct.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
We can make sure that they cack it into account.
But also I can have a discussion with them here
the so if it becomes clear that they believe that
the law is precluding them from taking any particular actions,
then we can have a discussion about what amendments may
be require but that may not be necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
And are you planning to force their or are you
planning to have them implement everything that the Commerce Commission
has suggested in those recommendations.

Speaker 7 (01:11:19):
Well, I'd like to at the very least hear what
their response is to each of those recommendations, because I've
read that report from cover to cover and it is
very well argued, very coherent, and I think that the
issues that the Commics Commission have put forward deserve answers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Because I mean, if everything is followed here, we could
end up with them allowing more entities to become a
bank and we could have more banks in this country
as a result.

Speaker 7 (01:11:44):
Yes, And the point the Commics Commission make is why
can't someone call themselves a bank if they're providing banking services?
We need to be all precious about that word.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
No fair enough?

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Hey, how much more?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
I see you guys have had to sign up a
new contract for the gas that schools and hospitals for
October this year. How much more is that costing you?

Speaker 7 (01:12:04):
Well, that's that hasn't been finalized yet, but you're right,
it will cost a lot more. It's now just under
fifteen million dollars across government, and you'd expect it to
be more. It's then borne by individual agencies, So Healthy
Zealand docks that defend thoughts in others, and you'd expect
them they have to face that costs from within their
existing budgets, so they'll have to be trading off other

(01:12:25):
things in order to pay that more expensive price, just
like every household dealing with a high electricity.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Do you know how much more expensive?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Not yet?

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Are we talking double triple? You know, just half on top.

Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
I'm not going to hazard again, but I think it
will be considerably more.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
And are we using method X gas again?

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
I understand that that is the negotiation that is occurring.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
Okay, when are we finding out to that is? When
is this going to be signed?

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
I understand that we will be finding out pretty shortly
as soon as it's signed, and we intend to be
transparent about it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
How do you feel about the super Fund and ACC
investing in airbnbnbooking dot Com?

Speaker 7 (01:13:07):
Well, there's a really important principle for me here, which
is the Superfund, by law, makes their own investment decisions.
They have to do that consistent with a responsible investment framework.
But it's not for me as the Minister to direct
them on individual investment decisions. They've themselves responded to this

(01:13:28):
issue and said, look, we don't think that this trigger
is an issue at this point. We've got really thorough
policies and processes here. And actually, when it comes to
companies like Airbnb, which is what this is about, the're
part of passive funds, we don't think it triggers the
need to put them on an exclusion list.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
No, and it sounds like so it sounds like the
UN list that has been published here is really really tough.
It really does go quite hard on businesses like this.
Why are we listening to these guys at the UN?
Do we need to stop?

Speaker 7 (01:14:00):
I don't think that the super fund is using the
UN as their investment guide at nautile date. They need
to consider a range of things and unsatisfied.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
That they do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Nicola, are you up for selling Land Corp?

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
Well, as you know hither, as we've discussed on your
show before, the Prime Minister has committed we won't be
selling state owned enterprises this term. However, we are looking
at the purpose behind every entity that we own and
asking ourselves is that achieving its purpose? Is it the
best use of taxpayer funds? And I can quite understand

(01:14:37):
and off the back of a big loss which that
PAMU Landcorp have posted, why some people will be asking
that question.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
And so if you're considering it, maybe for next term,
will Landcorp be on that list?

Speaker 7 (01:14:50):
Well, look, we are not going to get ahead of
ourselves at the moment. We're looking at why do we
own them? Are they living up to their purpose? Are
they performing well? And those are all questions which are
very rele for Land Corp. Of course I would note
some of those farms farms that might in future be
used in a treaty settlement, let's historically being one of
the reasons why the government has chosen to retain that portfolio.

(01:15:14):
But these are all questions that we're going through on
a cam rat.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
And how long before those treaty settlements are settled?

Speaker 7 (01:15:21):
Well, of course Minister Goldsmith is working to get them
all done as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
Okay, well we need him to hurry up. Nicola, thank
you appreciate it. Nicola willis our finance minist here. So
act is called Act Loves a Little asset sale and
you know what.

Speaker 16 (01:15:32):
So do I.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I love an asset sale if it's justified. I don't
just love it for the sake of it. If it's justified,
and I suspect that this may be a case of
we should at least consider it. ACT is calling for
the sale of Land Corp because it's reported a net
loss after tax of twenty six million dollars for the
year ending thirty June. I mean, seriously, it can't run
a farm, so why is it running farms? An independent

(01:15:53):
review and found in twenty twenty one found the organization
failed to meet financial forecasts, had high corporate costs, and
invested in unprofitable or farm ventures. Get rid of them
sixteen past six.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb Hey.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
By the way, the thing that I am really into,
which Nicoli Willis was just talking about, Yeah, I'm getting
your text son, justson, I'm going to get to that
before this half hours through. Don't worry about it. The
thing that I'm really into that she was just talking
about there was the performance measures for the councils, so
that you can see what they're spending on what and
basically do a comparison across councils. You could say I'm
really irritated by my counsel. Let's just say, for example,

(01:16:39):
up the Company Coast spending so much money on silly
little gardens on top of bus stops. I wonder how
much Auckland is spending on silly little gardens and old
zero dollars and then you're spending a lot. You can
do a little comparison. And the reason I'm into it
is because in the last few days the Wellington papers
have carried the story that Wellington City Council has spent
just in the last two years five hundred and eighteen

(01:17:01):
dollars per household on cycle ways, So that is in
a year about two hundred and sixty dollars on cycleways
per household. And you ask yourself, if you're in Wellington,
whether you've got two hundred and sixty dollars worth of
joy out of that cycle way that you're using all
of the time. Not by comparison, the Netherlands spends the
equivalent of around sixty five dollars a year on cycleways

(01:17:23):
now fair point. The Netherlands obviously do not need to
build all the infrastructure. They've already got it because they've
been cycling for donkeys years. But in a cost of
living crisis, I think you can have a problem with that,
can't you. Twenty past six now US FED Reserve chair
j Powell has said that the time has come for
interest rate cuts. He's speaking at the fed's annual Jackson
Hole Retreat and Shane Solely from Harbor Ascid Management is

(01:17:45):
with us on the say Shane, ah, you, how did
the markets react to this? How did he sound? What
was the tone?

Speaker 19 (01:17:50):
Well, the time has come. Jay here's certainly pulled depend
on this and he said, look the upside rest inflation,
they're diminished, so we're actually seeing a deflation disinflationary period
of time. And he's more worried about this down so
risk to the employment in the US. So he didn't
commit to a particular pace of rate cuts. So that's
left market it's a little bit wary the timing and
the pace that's to be depending on data. It's always

(01:18:13):
data dependent when it comes to central bankers. But overall
it struck the right time with markets. We saw interest
rates fall across the board, and we saw share markets
up and the U still a down, and I think
we really have seen something the market had expected, but
this confirmation here. So we've little bit more data out
this week sort of in the next few days, and
some house price data and some consumer confidence data, but

(01:18:36):
it's going to put more fuel on the when rather
than if and how much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Man in New Zealand, it has been busy with all
of the companies reporting in the last week or so.
You seeing any trends here and what you're actually witnessing.

Speaker 19 (01:18:48):
Yeah, Unfortunately, we're seeing more misses against expectations. The companies
are coming in slightly lower than expected than beats. But look,
it's kind of feeling there's a little bit of a
green shoots out there in a couple of big misses
from companies like Fletcher Building in spar The literacity companies
obviously had a bit of an impact from this dry year,
but there's some green shoots coming through, a bit of

(01:19:09):
costs peaking and certainly some companies starting to show some
confidence in terms of talking about the future, in terms
of growth, a couple talking about buying back their own shoes.
Even so, there is a sort of a feeling we're
balanced along the bottom. It's a bit hazy, but certainly
this sort of suggestion we're seeing the worst of things.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
And then this upcoming week we've got a whole bunch
as well. I think a New Zealand's probably going to
be one of the big ones, and probably not that flash.
What else is going on?

Speaker 19 (01:19:32):
Yeah, look, we've got another thirty end companies reporting this week.
We had Chorus the Lions Company out today a better
result than expected driven Sorry that actually result wasn't that
wasn't better, but they provided a high dividend income payment
which saw the stock price cup nine percent. A couple
of others out thereday property for Misty Steel and Tube
Somerset all online and they were just noting a bit

(01:19:54):
of a caution around the recovery and the board of
these own economy. Tomorrow, I've got media companies, ADM Holdings,
Victor of Vulcan Steel. Wednesday, Meridian Precinct Property Scales, and
then Thursdays you say you're New Zeon and Heartland Group.
So assuming another bunch of companies, some exposed to domestic economy,
some less so. But you know, with fingers, Christ we

(01:20:15):
might be seeing the bottom of the evenings downgrade cycle
for New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Yeah, he's hoping. Shane's good to talk to you as always. Well,
talk to you next week again. Look after yourself, Shane
solely Harboracic Management. Hey, good news. Kate Middleton has been
seeing going to church for the first time since the
cancer diagnosis. Now this is not It was in bellmorl
and she and William were driving, you know, in the
in the land rover or whatever, and they were photographed.
The whole thing would have been orchestrated. Now obviously we're
not excited for her soul, not like Yay, she's gone

(01:20:41):
back to church, thank God. It's more that it's that
she's out on about and that's generally a good sign
because these things take energy and if you're not feeling
that well, then you know it's not that great. If
you're feeling a little bit better, that's why you're off
to church, aren't you. Six twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Whether it's macro, microbe or just plain economics, all on
the Business Hour with Heather duple c Allen and my HR,
the HR platform for sme US.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
TALKSB six twenty six. Apparently the employers are using AI
a lot more at the moment to do the first
round of interviews in the screen, screen in the ones
they want and screen out the ones they don't want,
particularly in hospit and retail. But it's not going down
well with some of the people being interviewed. We'll chat
to the person who's actually founded the app that these
guys are using. She'll be with us after the headlines. Now,

(01:21:27):
as to the question of New Zealand culture is booming
around the world, do we have Jaisinda Ardurn to thank
for it? Allow me to respond to Nel Frizzell. Jasind
Ardun was the Prime Minister from twenty seventeen. Peter Jackson
made Lord of the Rings in twenty two thousand and one.
Jacinda was still in university, so no, no, I'm not

(01:21:48):
going to thank her for that and show no. Tiger
y t T was already making the international film Thor
before Jacinda even got into the labor leadership, so yeah, no.
Fly to the Concords was a decade before she became
the leader. She wasn't even in parliament, so no. Jane
Campion made the piano when Jacinda was thirteen, so almost

(01:22:08):
a hard no to that one. That wasn't just Cinda
that one. Ellanor Katton put out The Luminaries twenty thirteen
when John Key was still at his height and everybody
still massively loved him. So again no, And that's also
the same year that Lord put out Royal Something. Gonna
say no to pretty much all of them. I can't
speak for the Rose Matafaos and the Guy Montgomery's and

(01:22:29):
the Alice Sneddins. I feel like maybe, I like, maybe
there's a little bit of interest in them because you know,
justa Cinda but I mean bless But is Rose Madafeo
rolling around with millions of dollars and just buying like
hoovering up land in Wellington because she's just a baller
now like Peter Jackson. No, so it's a different league,
isn't it. So maybe Jacinda can sort of like take

(01:22:51):
a little bit of credit for the Minno's, like the
young ones who are coming through, and heck, maybe one
day they'll be absolute superstars.

Speaker 10 (01:22:57):
I somehow suspect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:58):
They'd want to get there on their own, you know what.
So anyway, but I just feel like sub sub question
on this one. Don't you have to try a little
bit harder when you're writing articles for the Guardian or
just any idea can just go in there now, because
is what it feels like, isn't that Headline's next?

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour
with Heather dupless Ellen and my HR, the HR platform
for sme us talks.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
That'd be Jesus. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
The reason there is more New Zealand culture around the
world thanks to our journers because so many people left
the country because of.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Our do.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I like what you're doing there, Hayden. I like, that's
a that's a lot I still know because I mean
otherwise we were leaving in two thousand and one because
we knew what was all nineteen ninety three, because we
knew what was coming. It didn't happen anyway. Gavin Gray
out of the UK with us very shortly, in about
ten minutes. I'm twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
So Heather du Clo bleed out.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
More and more companies are using AI for recruiting staff.
Spark Kymart Wilworths. All of these guys in retail and
hospital Apart from Spark obviously, they all use the software
by a company called sapier Ai Now the program basically
does the chat and video interviews and then scores the
candidate's written responses. The results can then be tracked by
the hiring team. Woolworths a loan has used the system

(01:24:34):
to interview fifty nine thousand people in the past year.
Saperai founder and CEO barb Heiman is with us. Now, Hey, Bob, Hi,
how does this work?

Speaker 17 (01:24:43):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Does it just ask sort of basic questions of the
first round applicants and then screen out the ones who've
got no shot?

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
Yeah, So what we do is basically do the interview
for you. If you think about hiring, you want to
meet someone, get to know them, figure out whether they're
the right flit for the job. The technology does it
for you. It does it in a way that is friendly.
It's not time pressured, and so you see amazing feedback
from candidate's Candidates love it that don't feel stressed. It's

(01:25:12):
much more inclusive for those with a disability, and it
allows you to get to the best candidates really fast,
and often getting to the best candidates first means that
you win them.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
How does it do the video interviews? I mean I
can understand if you're doing like a text a text interview,
you can sort of screen out like that, But what
about a video one? What are you looking for there?

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
So the video there is no AI at all, and
we strongly believe that. Look, I would love video to
disappear as a tool to evaluate people because I think
it's very hard to remote bias. You know, most biases
are unconscious. The video is there is what we call
another data point, another signal, So someone has to watch
it and make a decision. You see data the AI to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
The Does the AI do a video interview that's recorded
and then somebody needs to watch it? Does that how
it works?

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
Yeah, it's not really an AI doing the video. It's
just like any video. You might use zoom to a video.
There's no AI in the video at all. The AI
comes into the chat. So what we're doing is taking
language data. How does your respond to a question about
how you work with the team, how you work with customers?
And what do we learn from that response? Do we
learn that you're someone who's great with people, that you

(01:26:16):
really humble, that you're a fast learner, that you're a
good thinker. That's what we're doing, which is what humans do.
But we're doing it without all the bias that we
humans bring, and that's using science has been around for
decades now, natural language processing, and that's what provides for
the accuracy of hiring, so that you hire people who
end up staying, not people who come in and leave

(01:26:36):
one week later.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
So being a quick thinker is a positive.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Well depends on what the role requires. So each role
has its own custom requirements. If you think about your
hiring for someone in your team, or you're hiring for
someone for customer service cabin crew, it's fundamentally different what's
important for the role. So depending on what's important for
the role dictates the traits and the qualities that we're
looking for. Some jobs require really high critical thinking and
amazing comm skills, others don't. And then we're identifying the questions.

(01:27:06):
We're creating the questions, which are always what we call behavioral.
They ask you to draw on what you've done in
the past, and in that basis, you get everyone to
share their story of who they are in a way
that is obviously a lot more comfortable than what it
often is for people facing someone across the table, which
is scary for a lot of candidates.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Out there, Bob. If if being a quick thinker is
something that's a positive, presumably you are required to answer
pretty articulately quite fast. That would surely disin' you're not.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
So what's really important is that the chat is not timed.
You could take an hour, you could take twenty minutes,
you could come back to it five times. Well, we're
not testing for quick viki. What we're testing for is
attributes like critical thinking or are you someone that's brilliant
a customer service? Are you someone that goes above and beyond?
Are you someone that has good communication skills? But speed

(01:28:01):
we don't see in any way is correlated with quality
of higher So it is an untimed interview.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
Right, So how do you though? I mean, one of
the things that I imagine you're going to struggle to
actually quantify is charisma, personality, enthusiasm, tone, which is all
the stuff that you get in in actual face to
face interviews. How can you possibly pick up whether somebody's
got that?

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
Well, we would say that those are heuristics. They are
signs that we look for based on our gut or
we think what we think drive success in a role.
You gaves a lot of conversation about vibe hiring, but
is that actually delivering results for your business? You know,
what we're trying to solve for is who actually is
a fit for the role?

Speaker 14 (01:28:44):
Do you think it would be great and stick around?

Speaker 5 (01:28:47):
I do? I mean, what does vibe high mean? Vibe
high means basically I like you, yeah, and I think
you're a good fit for the brand. It's what we
call mirror hiring, and mirror hiring is a recipe for BIS.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
But our guts have been have been trained for flipping millennia.

Speaker 5 (01:29:04):
But they're leading us astray. If you think about the
two most important decisions to make in our life, who
do we partner with?

Speaker 14 (01:29:09):
Where do we work?

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
We get it wrong most of the time, and so
you know, how do you kind of debias? The gut
and the gut and bias is a wonderful shortcut to
make a fast decision, but it doesn't necessarily.

Speaker 14 (01:29:20):
Make it a good decision.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Right, Well, are you going to roll out some AI
for picking husbands and wives?

Speaker 16 (01:29:24):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
You know what I can't if I would be a
millionaire From the number of times people have said that
to me. Really, yeah, everyone wants to use AI to
try and figure out the right partner, not the partner
that you pick because they you know, they meet your parents' expectations,
or they're a bit of a smunk. You know, how
do you actually choose someone who really aligns with your values?
Like you can do that through science. It's just that

(01:29:46):
we as humans feel really uncomfortable using science, you know,
data and anything but the gut or the gut of
our friends and family to help us on those decisions.

Speaker 14 (01:29:55):
It's a lot of.

Speaker 5 (01:29:56):
Human bias really around using a DIF for an approach
for these decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Interesting, Bob, thank you very much for talking us through
to find they absolutely fascinating. It's Bob Heiman, founder and
CEO of sapa Ai. Do you know what I beat you?
There is something out there where you can find a
partner you can I mean, that's basically what Tinder is,
isn't it where you sort of like you put all
your important stuff. But it's it's not smart enough. You've
got to go for You've got to go for more
than that. You've got to go for values. Like like
values to me would be how often do you wash

(01:30:24):
the sheets? Do you wipe the bench after you've made
a coffee and left the crimes, you know, like that
kind of stuff like I'm into that. I think that's
really important and that kind of most of those things.
If the AI could just solve that stuff like no
lies please, also has to screen out whether the person
is lying. Just to impress you, it could fix all
of that stuff. How many marriages would be saved by
the dishwasher washer being packed properly? I listen. Champion of

(01:30:47):
the Day David Beagle. David Beagle, what a legend, because
you know how I feel about the parking charges with
these people who are ripping us off for it, and
they are David has had a fight with Wilson Parking
and he has come out tops because he has not
given up. And I like this about David. So what
happened is just before Christmas last year. Oh yes, that's
how far back we're going. Eight months. Just before Christmas

(01:31:10):
last year last year, David parked at Clyde Wharf Clyde
Key Wharf in Wellington on the waterfront and when he
came back to the car, he had an eighty five
dollar fine from Parking Enforcement Services, which is Wilson Parking,
because of course he did. They're not going to miss
an opportunity are they They were like, look there's a cap.
Slap it with a fine. Yeah, is it an one
of our parks? Nah, slap it with a fine. Anyway,
the park was clearly signposted as Wellington City Council owned

(01:31:34):
and not Wilson Council owned. So he decided that he
was going to take this up with Wilson and he
was told to appeal online, so he did and that
began his eight month saga. He said the system appeared
to be deliberately reductive, with calls being a calls made
during office hours, left unanswered, emails replied to outside the
quota ten business dales days. He appealed the ticket three

(01:31:55):
times over the following eight months. They added more charges.
They took total to one hundred and thirty five dollars.
Wellington City Council backed them up. They were like, hey guys, Wilson,
Hey Wilson, he was in our car park, Wilson and
that still not Wilson got Bay Corp involved inn he
finally David Beagle decided he had a guts full and
he got in touch with Labor MP. Duncan web quite

(01:32:17):
why Duncan, I'm not sure, mate, oh, because Duncan is
the guy who Yeah, Duncan's on my team, isn't he.
Duncan and I were coming after the parking people, so
he got in touch with Duncan. Good option from you.
David also got in touch with the media and guess
what Wilson waived the fine, didn't They Good on you, David.
That's how you just fight it. Guys fight it. If
we fight it, if we all fight it together, then

(01:32:38):
maybe maybe we can win, but maybe not. We probably
need some law changes called it to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Say'd be Kevin Grays, O UK correspondent Gavin Hello, Hi
there Heaven. What's going on with the captain the boat
that sunk?

Speaker 20 (01:33:02):
Well, it's just being reported just in the last few
minutes that James Cutfield, a fifty one year old New
Zealand national, has now been placed under an official investigation
of the sinking of the Baysian super yacht. That was
the yacht that sank off Sicily last week, killing the
British tech billionaire Mike Lynch. And six others. To be clear,

(01:33:23):
being placed under investigation in Italy does not imply guilt.
It does not mean formal charges would necessarily follow. But
this is an investigation that now has come up, and
as opposed to looking at the investigation as to the sinking,
this is specifically an investigation it is reported into the

(01:33:44):
captain at that time and at the moment of course,
everyone's been looking at the weather conditions that the manufacturers
of the yacht have been saying, look, you know, if
everything had been followed and done according to plan, this
yacht would not have sank. I think are the allegations
around which this has now focused. But as I said,

(01:34:04):
this is news just in unconfirmed reports, but it has
now been reported in a couple of the Italian media
as well. With maritime law, they're giving a captain full
responsibility for the ship and the crew as well as
all those on board givennesson.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
I don't know how much you know about maritime law.
But could man's laughter relate to the fact that the
portholes weren't closed and there wasn't a sufficient warning and
these people weren't told to get off the boat in
time before the storm. Can it apply to that.

Speaker 20 (01:34:31):
Yes, I think it can, and that is precisely I
think what the earlier allegations had been. The Italian prosecutors
held a press conference at the weekend where it was
revealed the victims were unable to escape as they may
have been asleep. They've scrambled to one side of the
ship in search of air pockets, but obviously unfortunately weren't

(01:34:52):
able to manage to escape. And one line of inquiry
being pursued by prosecutors is whether the nine survived crew
members raised the alarm before they managed to escape, and yes,
how the so much water managed to get onto the
yacht before it actually sank and maybe obviously causing it

(01:35:12):
to sink with those extreme weather conditions which have been forecasts.
But as I said, early information just coming through there
from Italy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
Devin, why is this telegram check being arrested in France.

Speaker 20 (01:35:23):
Yeah, it's a really complicated story. So this is involving
Pavel Durov. He is the boss of Telegram and he
was in his private jet landing at Paris Airport La Borges,
which is one used by often businessmen and so forth,
when he was detained. Now, according to the officials, the

(01:35:45):
thirty nine year old billionaire was arrested under warrant for
offenses relating to the popular messaging app Telegram. Bosses have
since said he's got nothing to hide, but the investigation
is reportedly around the lack of moderators and the fact
that it's alleged that mister Durov has failed to take

(01:36:05):
steps to curb criminal uses of Telegram. Durov lives in Dubai.
He is of course born and a Russian national and
actually holds dual citizenship as well now with the United
Arab Emirates and France, and Telegram has been incredibly popular,
has suddenly spun out of enormous wealth and value. But

(01:36:28):
there have been huge concerns among investigators and police operators
around the world, saying it has basically become the go
to messaging forum for criminals and more needs to be
done to stop that. And I think that's now why
the officials in Paris have arrested him.

Speaker 10 (01:36:43):
Have you seen the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Photograph of him in the Telegraph today with his top off?

Speaker 20 (01:36:48):
I saw one where he's sitting in an ice bath.

Speaker 8 (01:36:50):
Yes, why is he doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Why is he taking his top off and sitting in
an icepath? Is he just one of these eccentric tick guys.

Speaker 20 (01:36:57):
I think he quite likes to show that he's a
you know, up and coming man of the world, et cetera,
et cetera. But yeah, you won't be seeing any pictures.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Of men and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Gavin, thank you very much, appreciated. Gavin gray are UK corresponding, Yeah, well,
I clicked on the link in the Telegraph because I
was like, what's that so? And it was I wasn't
even really interested in the fact that he'd been arrested,
although you know, subsequently was interested, and I just wanted
to look at what that because he's standing there, this
man is cut like, this man has a body to

(01:37:27):
be proud of, and he's a tech nerd. Who would
have known And in this particular photograph, he's got this
black scarf weird thing. It's all very weird. It's like
weird and sort of artie. He's got a black scarf
around his neck and then like the tail end of
the scarf wrapped around with bays that I don't really
know why, but I don't care, because I just spent
a long time looking at the abs, which you're going

(01:37:48):
to go and look at now, aren't you? Pavel Durov
spelt as it said.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen
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Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Do you think he should wear a top in an
ice bath? Heather wearing one would be weird. We're spending
a lot of time talking about whether Pavol what's his
name again, to Pavel Pavel anyway, the tech nerd from Russia.
We're spending a lot of time talking about whether he
should be wearing a top. And I just think the
general rule from him here on in is no top.
Just go around with no top and you're going to
win all of the time. It is like Ken Dole.

(01:38:27):
That's how cut he is, a little bit sad. We're
going to end the show the bit of sad news
for your end of an era. The Too We Brewery
and Mangatunoka doesn't brew anymore beer anymore, so it's not
a Too We brewery. It's just a tooy building. Now, Actually,
what's up with these guys? A hasn't been brewing for
three years and no one even told us, and we've
only just found out. I think apparently it's started because

(01:38:49):
of COVID, because everything was difficult because of COVID, and
it's all those rules that just Cinda and Ashley had,
like you couldn't go near anyone whatever, and so they
couldn't brew there and so they had to move the
brewing operation apparently to Auckland and to Maru and it's
been like that ever since COVID basically, and it's sad
because beer had been brewed there since eighteen eighty nine.
You can still go and do beer tastings though, so

(01:39:11):
you could sort of imagine.

Speaker 18 (01:39:12):
And we're doing it Wonderwall by Oasis to play us
out tonight because of the well, yeah, it's looking pretty
concrete the rumors that it's happening because both Noel Gallagher
and Liam Gallagher have put stuff on their social media,
like the same post on their social media saying that
something is going to be announced just over twenty four
hours from now at seven pm tomorrow, so seven pm

(01:39:33):
our time, seven pm out.

Speaker 8 (01:39:34):
Time, eight am. That sucks gam Tuesday.

Speaker 18 (01:39:37):
Yeah, I was gonna say so, just in time for
our show to be over, So look forward to Sports
Talk with us who will tomorrow for the latest on
what Nolan and Liam were getting up to now.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
Ants if Oasis do a reunion and come to New Zealand,
there's a lot fs there. Would you go and see them?

Speaker 18 (01:39:53):
Oh, don't don't make me put it? Come on in
Trouble for twenty twelve. I got in trouble recently for
saying that I skipped Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds set
at the Big Day Out because I wanted to go
see Nero and I was Apparently that's just out of
sacrilege and I should never admit to that. Yes, they're great,
are they?

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I thought Nero was one person.

Speaker 18 (01:40:13):
A new album from Nero coming out next week and
we're really looking forward to that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
I would spend a lot of money to go and
see LASiS, I'm gonna tell you that now. In fact,
I would probably go to Australia. Yeah, I'd probably go
to Australia like the Swift Eas did with I'd do
that for Oasis because what a time they were. Enjoy
the rest of the See tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:40:54):
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