August 26, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, broadcaster Mark Sainsbury and Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Do we have a problem with Labour's Carmel Sepuloni collecting her MP's salary while filming Celebrity Treasure Island?
The Government has made some changes to the Fast Track Approvals Bill - with Cabinet agreeing to amend the Bill to give an independent expert panel final say on consenting major projects, rather than a trio of Ministers. Is this a good idea?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle got Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute
at Mark Sainsbury, who's a broadcast How are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Tim?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Does this fill you with confidence?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Well, I'm glad to I'm glad to hear that we're
addressing this issue as someone who actually I did change
power companies this year. Not we did, Yeah, we did.
Some couple of guys came around and said, guess what
you can get cheaper, cheaper power, cheaper internet, and we'll
throw in a cheaper big screen TV. So we did
the deal.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What they gave you a TV as well?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, I throw in a sort of reduced value TV.
Let's put it that way, well, a reduced cost, but
it's a big screen.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Worrying about this deal, I feel very worried about it. Tim,
did you look at your power bill and actually make
sure that it has come down?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I haven't done it yet, but we're watching a lot
of Telly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah, this is the reason you haven't done it
yet is because your wife did all the admin. Right.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What's Mark got to say about that? Again? So he's
deflicting I'm fascinated by the accounting arrangements in Term's household.
But this thing, I mean, I agree with some Look,
something's going to be done. I was seeing that conference
in the Patrolling Ministry in twenty eighteen when Megan turned
up and the Minister Energy Minister at the time and
(01:19):
said I look, we're all considering this, and I remember
asking it, well, does that mean you've made a decision
already and don't want to tell us or you're still
considering it and that already made a decision of course,
And here we are six years later and it's going
to be another reset. You just want someone to say, look,
let's just get this sorted out, because it's just a cycle.
What happens in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, totally. Well here's a question for you, saint, so
put your political editor's hat on. If you think about
the situation that we find ourselves in right now, and
it sucks, and it is in part because of not totally,
but in part because of Labour's oil and gas ban.
If Labor was to come out and say yeah, we're
going to commit to that oil and gas band, does
that play badly for them or is it too complicated
(01:59):
for most people done stand.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, don't forget it to sort of the lead up
to that band in twenty eighteen, there's been constant protests
and certain factions so within I think the labor within,
within their own caxtment I they think are going to
be getting in backing it. I mean they will sort of,
they'll stick because it's a you're going to admit you're wrong,
begin with yeah. And second of your own support base
(02:22):
who are anti at are going to think you're just
you're just a turn coat. But the problem, it's the
same with all these big issues. There was a there
was a I remember tending a thing before the election
here with the group down here wanting to get things
into long term paining. We don't do enough long term planning.
We don't do it absolutely right, you know, the same.
But the super there's all those issues FARMAC, these are
(02:43):
things that should be short short term. Short termism is
an absolute problem because we think we're practical people will
just solve the problem and they'll take care of it.
But actually there are problems that ensue and unintended consequences.
And by the way, if we can harvest the oil
and gas, we get them crude. We still have to
send it overseas to get it refined. So it's a
(03:04):
there's so many other things that we have to do
to make sure that we're energy self sufficient.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, it's a very good point. All right, we'll take
a break with you guys. Come back very shortly.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's the huddle, the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, you're back on the huddle, Mark Sainsbury. Tim Wilson saying,
so you got a problem with Carmel Sepaloni going on
Celebrity Treasure Island but still collecting her MP pay.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, she's donating it, she says, isn't she She's giving
her pay to it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, that's her winnings, right, that's the winnings from the com.
But then she took two weeks off the job. I
don't have a problem with it, but other people do.
Took two weeks off the job and then kept on
taking her pay.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah. See I read that. I thought she was saying
in that No, I thought she was donating her Yeah.
I thought she was donating it to the trust, the
Tyler Trust. Yeah, even the pay, Yeah, gallery, saying okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Stand corrected. But that's ridiculous, isn't it. I mean she's
going off board now.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
She's been too generous.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Take that money back from that charity problem.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
What kind of a politicians? She as a politician at risk?
Is not that she's where the pay, it's the fact
he's going on with Duncan Garner.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, it's going to be trying, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's going to be tough. I would love to see
her and Jenny Shipley forming a team now, wouldn't that
be a vision of television? Goal?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Would you ever go on?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I once?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, well, I was going to ask him if he's
ever let me ask him, and then I'm gonna come
back to you, Tim, Would you.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Ever go on it?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Would you go on Celebrity Treasure Island?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Sure? If they want someone to feel sorry for who's uncoordinated,
doesn't have like a match he exterminated in the first round.
You know how this goes?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, what about you? Says I would you do it?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Someone did ring me up one day and you're going
to say no to this? Said? Would she consider? I
mean yeah, that was just obviously thing round and I
said no, didn't one of them makes you what you
could have got. It could have been a great time.
Who gives? Who gives a to Just on Tim's Jenny
Shipley Jenny Shipley fantasy. I once I went down to
(05:14):
cover a national caucus and a new point up and
there was someone whose motels every floor looks the same.
And I got to what I thought was my roof
key and opened the door and there was Jenny Shipley
standing in her underwear.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh okay, the key that's rare. Tell me did she
go to the kind of mumsy underwear or was it
quite sexy stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I averted my eyes that you'd be pleased to know immediately.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And what you've got a mind and you can't remember anything.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Would you go on celebrity treasure idle heather?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Jeez, man, I can't move past Jenny in her underwear.
I'll tell you what. I would have taken a mental
photograph right then? Hey, Tim, it feels to me like
these changes that were made over the weekend with the
fast Track Bill are basically taking the guts out of
what people are complaining about, and therefore we'll make it
more palatable, right, because then it's not the three ministers
making the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What do you think, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I
think I think I think they're getting there. It depends
on who are points, but it does seem to be
a good summary of people who would would actually be
an antidote to what you might see as cronyism, et cetera,
et cetera. Just got to be careful with the appointment thing.
Just to note on everyone's going, oh, they've got mining
companies there, you know that they're in they're doing inside
(06:24):
deals with this. Mining is five percent. Yeah, of the
fast tracking that's already applied. Most of it is housing. Yes,
so we need some of that which are completely lost
proportion with this excellent point.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thank you for making it. Say so. It feels to
me like some people are going to see this as
a fantastic way of kind of reaching a compromise with
with with your critics. Others are going to see it
as a backtrack. How do you see it?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They doesn't have any choice, I think for a start,
I mean that the public reaction and people marching on
the streets and everyone is coming at the from every end.
But I think they, despite Shane Jones, just push it
on through. I think they realized politically this thing was
just going to cause them more headaches, and so they
want to get in there again. You're looking, okay, it
(07:08):
might significantly sort of slow up this sort of process.
But again, because there's this frustration, I think, and we
get it and run into and I think we're sign
a local level as well. It's just this frustration that
nothing happens, you know. So there's a certain amount of
that that've got a bit of good will and look
at least seem to be doing something. But you just
got to make sure you know, when you get you
(07:30):
don't go in like they did. That sort of causes
so many problems. It was. They did the same thing
with the with the ken cermitsa no no, no, no
public upcrye yes yes yes, yes you think well if
you had it said yes in the first place. Bothers
speaking speaking of Wellington, I've got I've got heather. The
thing on old pipes. What's the oldest pipe. You've got
Sanzo the oldest pipe?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Having a house for smoking.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Quite a brier one was sort of tobacco in't it. Yeah, No,
there we go. Pikes. I'd love that eighteen forty one
under the under the base of preserve.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know, but you know when it breaks, and it's
going to break because it is now one hundred and
eighty years old, is going to be very stinky. So
just watch out very quickly. Guys, tim would you send
you fifteen year old off on a trip around where
ever out of the country?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Absolutely, boys love events of it that ours are like
cage dogs. If they're inside the house too long, get
them out of the house, get them out of the country.
Go and a daughter you've seend as well too. Not
a daughter, that's that's a different situation.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But boys to say, so you've got one of each.
What age was the first time that you let them out?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh, I'm trying to think they're pretty I mean we
used we did a bit of sort of traveling a lot,
you know, all of us, and then we I'm just
trying to think think Arabella, Oh, you know they did
school trips. It's different. But yeah, there's there's a lot
of argument for this, you know, creating resilience in our
kits and sort of you know, getting them to take risks.
This whole sort of helicopter parenting thing. I think it's
terrible and that's Doorman kept rageous isn't it. He was thirteen,
(09:01):
he was a head of his you know, he was
young for his class, and he went with another sixteen
year old. And people do it all the time, you know,
we can't just lock people up, you know, joy of
keeping them.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So it's probably a little bit like kid by kids.
Some kids are going to handle it, some kids aren't.
It's about the resilience. You hit the nail on the
head sayings. So, thank you very much, Mark Sainsbury and
Tim Wilson I had all this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty unparalleled reach
and results.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
On the huddle got Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute
at Mark Sainsbury, who's a broadcast How are you two?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Tim?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Does this fill you with confidence?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Well, I'm glad to I'm glad to hear that we're
addressing this issue as someone who actually I did change
power companies this year. Not we did, Yeah, we did.
Some couple of guys came around and said, guess what
you can get cheaper, cheaper power, cheaper internet, and we'll
throw in a cheaper big screen TV. So we did
the deal.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
What they gave you a TV as well?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, I throw in a sort of reduced value TV.
Let's put it that way, well, a reduced cost, but
it's a big screen.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Worrying about this deal, I feel very worried about it. Tim,
did you look at your power bill and actually make
sure that it has come down?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I haven't done it yet, but we're watching a lot
of Telly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Oh yeah, this is the reason you haven't done it
yet is because your wife did all the admin. Right.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What's Mark got to say about that? Again? So he's
deflicting I'm fascinated by the accounting arrangements in Term's household.
But this thing, I mean, I agree with some Look,
something's going to be done. I was seeing that conference
in the Patrolling Ministry in twenty eighteen when Megan turned
up and the Minister Energy Minister at the time and
(01:19):
said I look, we're all considering this, and I remember
asking it, well, does that mean you've made a decision
already and don't want to tell us or you're still
considering it and that already made a decision of course,
And here we are six years later and it's going
to be another reset. You just want someone to say, look,
let's just get this sorted out, because it's just a cycle.
What happens in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, totally. Well here's a question for you, saint, so
put your political editor's hat on. If you think about
the situation that we find ourselves in right now, and
it sucks, and it is in part because of not totally,
but in part because of Labour's oil and gas ban.
If Labor was to come out and say yeah, we're
going to commit to that oil and gas band, does
that play badly for them or is it too complicated
(01:59):
for most people done stand.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, don't forget it to sort of the lead up
to that band in twenty eighteen, there's been constant protests
and certain factions so within I think the labor within,
within their own caxtment I they think are going to
be getting in backing it. I mean they will sort of,
they'll stick because it's a you're going to admit you're wrong,
begin with yeah. And second of your own support base
(02:22):
who are anti at are going to think you're just
you're just a turn coat. But the problem, it's the
same with all these big issues. There was a there
was a I remember tending a thing before the election
here with the group down here wanting to get things
into long term paining. We don't do enough long term planning.
We don't do it absolutely right, you know, the same.
But the super there's all those issues FARMAC, these are
(02:43):
things that should be short short term. Short termism is
an absolute problem because we think we're practical people will
just solve the problem and they'll take care of it.
But actually there are problems that ensue and unintended consequences.
And by the way, if we can harvest the oil
and gas, we get them crude. We still have to
send it overseas to get it refined. So it's a
(03:04):
there's so many other things that we have to do
to make sure that we're energy self sufficient.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, it's a very good point. All right, we'll take
a break with you guys. Come back very shortly.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
It's the huddle, the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, you're back on the huddle, Mark Sainsbury. Tim Wilson saying,
so you got a problem with Carmel Sepaloni going on
Celebrity Treasure Island but still collecting her MP pay.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, she's donating it, she says, isn't she She's giving
her pay to it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Well, that's her winnings, right, that's the winnings from the com.
But then she took two weeks off the job. I
don't have a problem with it, but other people do.
Took two weeks off the job and then kept on
taking her pay.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah. See I read that. I thought she was saying
in that No, I thought she was donating her Yeah.
I thought she was donating it to the trust, the
Tyler Trust. Yeah, even the pay, Yeah, gallery, saying okay.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Stand corrected. But that's ridiculous, isn't it. I mean she's
going off board now.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
She's been too generous.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Take that money back from that charity problem.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
What kind of a politicians? She as a politician at risk?
Is not that she's where the pay, it's the fact
he's going on with Duncan Garner.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, it's going to be trying, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
It's going to be tough. I would love to see
her and Jenny Shipley forming a team now, wouldn't that
be a vision of television? Goal?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Would you ever go on?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I once?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, well, I was going to ask him if he's
ever let me ask him, and then I'm gonna come
back to you, Tim, Would you.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Ever go on it?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Would you go on Celebrity Treasure Island?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Sure? If they want someone to feel sorry for who's uncoordinated,
doesn't have like a match he exterminated in the first round.
You know how this goes?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, what about you? Says I would you do it?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Someone did ring me up one day and you're going
to say no to this? Said? Would she consider? I
mean yeah, that was just obviously thing round and I
said no, didn't one of them makes you what you
could have got. It could have been a great time.
Who gives? Who gives a to Just on Tim's Jenny
Shipley Jenny Shipley fantasy. I once I went down to
(05:14):
cover a national caucus and a new point up and
there was someone whose motels every floor looks the same.
And I got to what I thought was my roof
key and opened the door and there was Jenny Shipley
standing in her underwear.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh okay, the key that's rare. Tell me did she
go to the kind of mumsy underwear or was it
quite sexy stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I averted my eyes that you'd be pleased to know immediately.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
And what you've got a mind and you can't remember anything.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Would you go on celebrity treasure idle heather?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Jeez, man, I can't move past Jenny in her underwear.
I'll tell you what. I would have taken a mental
photograph right then? Hey, Tim, it feels to me like
these changes that were made over the weekend with the
fast Track Bill are basically taking the guts out of
what people are complaining about, and therefore we'll make it
more palatable, right, because then it's not the three ministers
making the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What do you think, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I
think I think I think they're getting there. It depends
on who are points, but it does seem to be
a good summary of people who would would actually be
an antidote to what you might see as cronyism, et cetera,
et cetera. Just got to be careful with the appointment thing.
Just to note on everyone's going, oh, they've got mining
companies there, you know that they're in they're doing inside
(06:24):
deals with this. Mining is five percent. Yeah, of the
fast tracking that's already applied. Most of it is housing. Yes,
so we need some of that which are completely lost
proportion with this excellent point.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Thank you for making it. Say so. It feels to
me like some people are going to see this as
a fantastic way of kind of reaching a compromise with
with with your critics. Others are going to see it
as a backtrack. How do you see it?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They doesn't have any choice, I think for a start,
I mean that the public reaction and people marching on
the streets and everyone is coming at the from every end.
But I think they, despite Shane Jones, just push it
on through. I think they realized politically this thing was
just going to cause them more headaches, and so they
want to get in there again. You're looking, okay, it
(07:08):
might significantly sort of slow up this sort of process.
But again, because there's this frustration, I think, and we
get it and run into and I think we're sign
a local level as well. It's just this frustration that
nothing happens, you know. So there's a certain amount of
that that've got a bit of good will and look
at least seem to be doing something. But you just
got to make sure you know, when you get you
(07:30):
don't go in like they did. That sort of causes
so many problems. It was. They did the same thing
with the with the ken cermitsa no no, no, no
public upcrye yes yes yes, yes you think well if
you had it said yes in the first place. Bothers
speaking speaking of Wellington, I've got I've got heather. The
thing on old pipes. What's the oldest pipe. You've got
Sanzo the oldest pipe?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Having a house for smoking.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Quite a brier one was sort of tobacco in't it. Yeah, No,
there we go. Pikes. I'd love that eighteen forty one
under the under the base of preserve.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You know, but you know when it breaks, and it's
going to break because it is now one hundred and
eighty years old, is going to be very stinky. So
just watch out very quickly. Guys, tim would you send
you fifteen year old off on a trip around where
ever out of the country?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Absolutely, boys love events of it that ours are like
cage dogs. If they're inside the house too long, get
them out of the house, get them out of the country.
Go and a daughter you've seend as well too. Not
a daughter, that's that's a different situation.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But boys to say, so you've got one of each.
What age was the first time that you let them out?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oh, I'm trying to think they're pretty I mean we
used we did a bit of sort of traveling a lot,
you know, all of us, and then we I'm just
trying to think think Arabella, Oh, you know they did
school trips. It's different. But yeah, there's there's a lot
of argument for this, you know, creating resilience in our
kits and sort of you know, getting them to take risks.
This whole sort of helicopter parenting thing. I think it's
terrible and that's Doorman kept rageous isn't it. He was thirteen,
(09:01):
he was a head of his you know, he was
young for his class, and he went with another sixteen
year old. And people do it all the time, you know,
we can't just lock people up, you know, joy of
keeping them.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So it's probably a little bit like kid by kids.
Some kids are going to handle it, some kids aren't.
It's about the resilience. You hit the nail on the
head sayings. So, thank you very much, Mark Sainsbury and
Tim Wilson I had all this evening.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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