August 27, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Are the Wellington posties wrong to refuse to deliver Better Wellington's anti-council pamphlet over claims of misinformation? Is there a political bias here?
The Government will overturn the oil and gas ban - and have urged Labour to support this move. How does this look for Labour? Do we need a bi-partisan solution to the energy crisis?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's twenty away from six The Huddle with New Zealand
(00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Results On the Huddle of Us, Allie Jones read PR
Claar to Lord journalist, Hell are you too, Ali? He
makes a good point, doesn't he?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
It does absolutely, And you know, I think the cost
to just say just because you can doesn't mean you should.
And I also think that it's important that those scumbags
that were filming that are called out, and not only
by police but by I don't know people in the
media stop doing it. Who do you think you are?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, but I suspect clear it's not going to stop.
It's only it's just going to increase. The more access
we have to each other via the Internet and phones
and stuff. This is the future. You've got to choose
what you look at.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Well, you've got a wonderful sort of basic human decency.
You have to live strength on the VP stuff as
I understand they were, it's just appalling. I mean, you
wouldn't think you'd have to poor people up for it,
and I just I don't know how you get through people.
But when you come across and seem like that it's
not a reality show. It's actually the reality of grim
(01:07):
death for the people who are involved. And you should
if you can't help, you should move on.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, fair point. And now, Allie, do you think the
posters have made the right call?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Here?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Are the wrong call?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
This is fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I mean, look, the union may not like this, and
I think this is all being driven by the union.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Actually, I think it's politically.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Driven, you know. I mean unions are generally left. The
Wellington City Council is very left leaning. The leaflet is
also anti council, critical of what they call over spending.
I think that's entirely political. What I'd be interested in
is if there wasn't that, And I do think it's
misinformation either. I don't think it's catastrophizing or using click
(01:46):
bait headlines like the media you do. As you mentioned earlier,
But if that information about the call, the Islamic call
to prayer wasn't in this leaflet, would they still have
come out and criticized it. I think it they're lucky
there's something in there they can hang their criticism on.
But look, I think they're right for not delivering this
(02:07):
because of that misinformation. But I do think it's politically driven.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Okay, So Ali, explain to me why you think it's misinformation.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, my understanding is that there is a comment or
something in that pamphlet that suggests that the City Council
is going to allow this call to prayer, that there's
going to be Islamic calls to prayer across all of Wellington.
And in fact, the council has come back and said
that they're actually looking at it within their district plan
as to whether they can do that or not, that
(02:36):
it's not a done deal. So to me, that's misinformation.
It's suggesting something that is not actually.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What the pamphlet says is the council wants to, But
actually the council does, to an extent, want to because
it is investigating it.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
No, that's not true that, No, that's conflating the issue.
Just because the council is looking at something doesn't mean
that they want to. They're looking at it through their
strict plan to see if it can be done or not.
That doesn't mean that they want to.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
There are two counselors who want to die. I mean, look, look,
I agree with you. I think it's borderline, but there
is an element of truth to it. It's not a
bald faced lie, is it. It's just slightly wrong.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
No, but it's missive.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It slightly wrong like if you can have it's just
catastrophizing what the situation, that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
No, it's misinformation. What you're going to start talking about
alternative facts as well? It is misinformation.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So in the story, what do you think, Claire.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
At the end of the story and the main story
is that the Union has the tide of all these
or the officials have decided that they will decide which
contracted male they will deliver. It's not so much for
them to decide the content. And then Post has a
responsibility when it agrees to take on something like us
(03:51):
to make sure that it's not hateful or atlantical flight
terrorism or whatever. I mean, that's the most extreme form
you can thank off. You could say we're not going
to deliver it. But it's sort of the Posteds to
actually be taking a position on this is I think
quite disturbing. I think MS will say, you know, mind
(04:12):
your own and business, and the Post thought it out.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, fair point.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back and
just a just a tack actually.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Huddled with New Zealand Southby's International Realty exceptional marketing for
every property.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And back to the huddle, we have clear de la
Journalist Ali Jones read pr Claire. Do you think that
that Labour is going to be able to hold this
line on the oil and gas van all the way
through to the next election? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Who knows. I mean, it's an argument that sort of
does my head. And really because we should have a
long term bipartisan, multi party agreement on something as important
as energy security, but we don't and we won't. I
think you know, your interview with Chris Hopkins showed that
he's at the moment whether to the very noble aspiration
(05:00):
for us to be entirely sort of reliant on only
on renewables, but the reality is that that just isn't
possible in a short medium turn right now. So I
would say that if he was still in charge going
into the next collection, and I doubt he would be,
that he would probably be ditching that position.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I'd say so too, and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I think Ali has to he probably is going to
be forced to ditch it when we get our power
bills renewed in April and it goes up massively and
we start to see for ourselves how bad the situation is.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
What do you think? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That's so ahead in the future. I completely agree with
what Claire is saying. And I heard Chris Hipkins on
with you earlier ahead what a great pussle? Was that fun?
You know? I mean really not really. It was really
good to listen to both of you, and you both
had really good things to say, and I think he
did hold his own.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think what's.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really frustrating here, as Claire said, is that we do
need to have, you know, an approach where both parties
will come together on this. Our energy security is really important.
Laughed when I heard simmyon Brown talk about no wind
and no sun. He needs to come to Canterbury. I
mean the coastline, the waves, the waves are still waving, Simeon,
and I think geothermal energy. There are ways to do it,
(06:12):
but you're right there. In the short and the medium term,
we have few choices. And why do we have few
choices because the previous governments have not worked together to
secure the energy, our renewables in this country. It's such
a shame, Claire.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I mean, how do we ever bridge these gaps though,
on things like energy or roads, all these things that
actually that the parties should reach across and hold hands on.
How do you bridge them?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I just don't think. I just don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We've got a terrible history of being able to look
at the longer term in this country. Look at the
terrible state of our infrastructure. I know, I'm just saying
the obvious, but it is the obvious that we just.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Put things off for so long. But this is really
critically important.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And even the aspiration, for example, to convert a larger
number of US to electric cars could not possibly be
fulfilled with the current you know, available sort of charging capacity.
It's charging in storage capacity. There's so many things we
need to get right, and we need many more engineers
to make the stream come true, and we don't have
(07:19):
them where there's there's an educational angle to it two,
you know, bringing through those people in engineering.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I honestly think we're going to remain in.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Country that is a very short term, you know, sort
of out where we look out to the short term,
because we have a very very short electoral cycle.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Three years and there we are this. You know we'll
be looking.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We'll be a mid term when those electricity bills start
coming in in April, we'll be halfway through this electoral
cycle and again you'll find the politic and we'll start
all over again.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
To right, Well, can I just say to that quickly?
We put solar on our house where we had to
rebuild it as a sled EQC repair.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Best thing we ever did.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Our two bills of latest bills over winter have been
the same cost, or rather two bills in our old
house will have cost us what the entire year was
solar's cost. So you know there are ways to do this,
and we sell that the bread as well. But yeah,
so your power.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Bill then last month, well we.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Were paying oh last month was one hundred and ten
dollars and.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
We sold some back to the grid.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
When we were in the old cold place it was
five hundred bucks either, so you know it's saving a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That is a lot of money. Okay, Claire, were you
disappointed to hear that the best one hit wonder of
all time is Jenny Jenny?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah? I couldn't even think how it went. I sort
of had a look.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
At a list of them too, and the only one
that really struck me as being kind of vaguely credible
was Funky Town by Pseudo Echo. I didn't never know
that the band was called Pseudo Echo.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is often they take No. One hit wonder, jeez, what
about you, Ali? I mean Jenny Jenny sucks. So I
feel like we should just scrap it on the basis
that nobody likes it and just go for maniac Is
number one.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well I missed from miss Reader. I thought it was
Jean Jeannie and I know that wasn't a number one,
but it was brilliant. But yeah, funky Town was a
great a sucky yunchy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I hate I don't know what list you're looking at, clear,
I hate to boost your bubble. It's not even on
the list. It's I'm a random list you've looked up.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Listen, I'm looking at a better list.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm looking at a science list. Guys, thank you both
so much appreciated as Allie Jones. I mean, it is
a good time, though.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You'd go you'd sit through at least twelve of their
crap songs at a concert just for this one, wouldn't you?
And in fact, I almost did, but I turned up
too late, and then I just saw Texas and that
other band that annoyed me. What was that band's name
that annoyed me?
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Simple minds?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hate them? Now Texas how good? But I could have
seen these guys, and and now I wish I did.
Thank you an appreciate that. That's a huddle sleeping away
from six.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
It's twenty away from six The Huddle with New Zealand
(00:03):
Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach and.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Results On the Huddle of Us, Allie Jones read PR
Claar to Lord journalist, Hell are you too, Ali? He
makes a good point, doesn't he?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
It does absolutely, And you know, I think the cost
to just say just because you can doesn't mean you should.
And I also think that it's important that those scumbags
that were filming that are called out, and not only
by police but by I don't know people in the
media stop doing it. Who do you think you are?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, but I suspect clear it's not going to stop.
It's only it's just going to increase. The more access
we have to each other via the Internet and phones
and stuff. This is the future. You've got to choose
what you look at.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Well, you've got a wonderful sort of basic human decency.
You have to live strength on the VP stuff as
I understand they were, it's just appalling. I mean, you
wouldn't think you'd have to poor people up for it,
and I just I don't know how you get through people.
But when you come across and seem like that it's
not a reality show. It's actually the reality of grim
(01:07):
death for the people who are involved. And you should
if you can't help, you should move on.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yes, fair point. And now, Allie, do you think the
posters have made the right call?
Speaker 6 (01:15):
Here?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Are the wrong call?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
This is fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I mean, look, the union may not like this, and
I think this is all being driven by the union.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Actually, I think it's politically.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Driven, you know. I mean unions are generally left. The
Wellington City Council is very left leaning. The leaflet is
also anti council, critical of what they call over spending.
I think that's entirely political. What I'd be interested in
is if there wasn't that, And I do think it's
misinformation either. I don't think it's catastrophizing or using click
(01:46):
bait headlines like the media you do. As you mentioned earlier,
But if that information about the call, the Islamic call
to prayer wasn't in this leaflet, would they still have
come out and criticized it. I think it they're lucky
there's something in there they can hang their criticism on.
But look, I think they're right for not delivering this
(02:07):
because of that misinformation. But I do think it's politically driven.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Okay, So Ali, explain to me why you think it's misinformation.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, my understanding is that there is a comment or
something in that pamphlet that suggests that the City Council
is going to allow this call to prayer, that there's
going to be Islamic calls to prayer across all of Wellington.
And in fact, the council has come back and said
that they're actually looking at it within their district plan
as to whether they can do that or not, that
(02:36):
it's not a done deal. So to me, that's misinformation.
It's suggesting something that is not actually.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
What the pamphlet says is the council wants to, But
actually the council does, to an extent, want to because
it is investigating it.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
No, that's not true that, No, that's conflating the issue.
Just because the council is looking at something doesn't mean
that they want to. They're looking at it through their
strict plan to see if it can be done or not.
That doesn't mean that they want to.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
There are two counselors who want to die. I mean, look, look,
I agree with you. I think it's borderline, but there
is an element of truth to it. It's not a
bald faced lie, is it. It's just slightly wrong.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
No, but it's missive.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It slightly wrong like if you can have it's just
catastrophizing what the situation, that's all it is.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
No, it's misinformation. What you're going to start talking about
alternative facts as well? It is misinformation.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So in the story, what do you think, Claire.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
At the end of the story and the main story
is that the Union has the tide of all these
or the officials have decided that they will decide which
contracted male they will deliver. It's not so much for
them to decide the content. And then Post has a
responsibility when it agrees to take on something like us
(03:51):
to make sure that it's not hateful or atlantical flight
terrorism or whatever. I mean, that's the most extreme form
you can thank off. You could say we're not going
to deliver it. But it's sort of the Posteds to
actually be taking a position on this is I think
quite disturbing. I think MS will say, you know, mind
(04:12):
your own and business, and the Post thought it out.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, fair point.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back and
just a just a tack actually.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Huddled with New Zealand Southby's International Realty exceptional marketing for
every property.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
And back to the huddle, we have clear de la
Journalist Ali Jones read pr Claire. Do you think that
that Labour is going to be able to hold this
line on the oil and gas van all the way
through to the next election? Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Who knows. I mean, it's an argument that sort of
does my head. And really because we should have a
long term bipartisan, multi party agreement on something as important
as energy security, but we don't and we won't. I
think you know, your interview with Chris Hopkins showed that
he's at the moment whether to the very noble aspiration
(05:00):
for us to be entirely sort of reliant on only
on renewables, but the reality is that that just isn't
possible in a short medium turn right now. So I
would say that if he was still in charge going
into the next collection, and I doubt he would be,
that he would probably be ditching that position.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
I'd say so too, and.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I think Ali has to he probably is going to
be forced to ditch it when we get our power
bills renewed in April and it goes up massively and
we start to see for ourselves how bad the situation is.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
What do you think? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That's so ahead in the future. I completely agree with
what Claire is saying. And I heard Chris Hipkins on
with you earlier ahead what a great pussle? Was that fun?
You know? I mean really not really. It was really
good to listen to both of you, and you both
had really good things to say, and I think he
did hold his own.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I think what's.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Really frustrating here, as Claire said, is that we do
need to have, you know, an approach where both parties
will come together on this. Our energy security is really important.
Laughed when I heard simmyon Brown talk about no wind
and no sun. He needs to come to Canterbury. I
mean the coastline, the waves, the waves are still waving, Simeon,
and I think geothermal energy. There are ways to do it,
(06:12):
but you're right there. In the short and the medium term,
we have few choices. And why do we have few
choices because the previous governments have not worked together to
secure the energy, our renewables in this country. It's such
a shame, Claire.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I mean, how do we ever bridge these gaps though,
on things like energy or roads, all these things that
actually that the parties should reach across and hold hands on.
How do you bridge them?
Speaker 6 (06:38):
I just don't think. I just don't think we do.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
We've got a terrible history of being able to look
at the longer term in this country. Look at the
terrible state of our infrastructure. I know, I'm just saying
the obvious, but it is the obvious that we just.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
Put things off for so long. But this is really
critically important.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And even the aspiration, for example, to convert a larger
number of US to electric cars could not possibly be
fulfilled with the current you know, available sort of charging capacity.
It's charging in storage capacity. There's so many things we
need to get right, and we need many more engineers
to make the stream come true, and we don't have
(07:19):
them where there's there's an educational angle to it two,
you know, bringing through those people in engineering.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I honestly think we're going to remain in.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Country that is a very short term, you know, sort
of out where we look out to the short term,
because we have a very very short electoral cycle.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Three years and there we are this. You know we'll
be looking.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
We'll be a mid term when those electricity bills start
coming in in April, we'll be halfway through this electoral
cycle and again you'll find the politic and we'll start
all over again.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
To right, Well, can I just say to that quickly?
We put solar on our house where we had to
rebuild it as a sled EQC repair.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Best thing we ever did.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Our two bills of latest bills over winter have been
the same cost, or rather two bills in our old
house will have cost us what the entire year was
solar's cost. So you know there are ways to do this,
and we sell that the bread as well. But yeah,
so your power.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Bill then last month, well we.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Were paying oh last month was one hundred and ten
dollars and.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
We sold some back to the grid.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
When we were in the old cold place it was
five hundred bucks either, so you know it's saving a
lot of money.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
That is a lot of money. Okay, Claire, were you
disappointed to hear that the best one hit wonder of
all time is Jenny Jenny?
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Yeah? I couldn't even think how it went. I sort
of had a look.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
At a list of them too, and the only one
that really struck me as being kind of vaguely credible
was Funky Town by Pseudo Echo. I didn't never know
that the band was called Pseudo Echo.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Is often they take No. One hit wonder, jeez, what
about you, Ali? I mean Jenny Jenny sucks. So I
feel like we should just scrap it on the basis
that nobody likes it and just go for maniac Is
number one.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Well I missed from miss Reader. I thought it was
Jean Jeannie and I know that wasn't a number one,
but it was brilliant. But yeah, funky Town was a
great a sucky yunchy.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I hate I don't know what list you're looking at, clear,
I hate to boost your bubble. It's not even on
the list. It's I'm a random list you've looked up.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
Listen, I'm looking at a better list.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm looking at a science list. Guys, thank you both
so much appreciated as Allie Jones. I mean, it is
a good time, though.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
You'd go you'd sit through at least twelve of their
crap songs at a concert just for this one, wouldn't you?
And in fact, I almost did, but I turned up
too late, and then I just saw Texas and that
other band that annoyed me. What was that band's name
that annoyed me?
Speaker 6 (09:55):
Simple minds?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Hate them? Now Texas how good? But I could have
seen these guys, and and now I wish I did.
Thank you an appreciate that. That's a huddle sleeping away
from six.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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